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One-Third Of 'Obamacare-Prospects' Intend To Stay Uninsured

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Despite spending over half-a-billion dollars on increasingly mind-blowing promotions for Obamacare, a new survey released today shows that even the website apparently fixed, over one-third of Americans without insurance say they plan to stay that way, even after being told that the new law requires them to get covered or pay a penalty. As CBS notes, some 46% of those surveyed also were unaware of the March 31 deadline for being insured as it seems "low-income, young families may have been overlooked. They're probably not spending a lot of time watching television, they never read a newspaper and if they listen to radio it's probably music in the car." 41% cited insurance as still too expensive with, oddly, 39% of middle-aged men preferring to stay uninsured.

 

 

As Bloomberg notes, the headline number above hides some other notable highlights (or lowlights)...

Gender matters. When the pollsters asked the uninsured whether they planned to stay that way, despite the individual mandate, 37 percent of men said yes, compared with 29 percent of women. Further confirmation, if anyone needed it, that men are statistically more likely to be morons.

 

There's no correlation with education. You might have thought people with more years of school would be better attuned to the risks -- physical, emotional, familial, financial, professional -- of going without health insurance. But the survey found that one-third of every group, from high school dropouts to people with graduate degrees, say they'll remain uninsured.

 

The decision to stay uninsured isn't about party (though reasons for staying uninsured very much are). Among the uninsured, Republicans were more likely than Democrats to say they'll stay that way -- but only slightly, 29 percent to 22 percent. The big difference was for uninsured independents, 41 percent of whom said they won't get insurance.

 

It's not the young who worry most about cost. A little more than one-third of those 18 to 29 said they would stay uninsured because coverage is too expensive. For those 50 to 64, 39 percent cited cost; for the 30 to 49 group, the share was almost half.

 

But the young really do think they're invincible. Almost one-third of those 18 to 29 who said they won't get insurance said it's because they don't need it. Just 6 percent of those 30 to 49 said they same, and 11 percent of those 50 to 64.

As Bloomberg concludes,

The Barack Obama administration is doing a terrible job of publicizing the law's subsidies. The people most likely to say they won't get insurance because it's too expensive were those earning $30,000 to $50,000 a year -- those who probably stand to benefit the most from financial assistance. Sure enough, one-third of respondents in that category didn't know about the subsidies.

CBS notes on health insurance resercher's comments that "low-income, young families may have been overlooked. They're probably not spending a lot of time watching television, they never read a newspaper and if they listen to radio it's probably music in the car," she is quoted as saying. "In communities of color, people might hear about [Obamacare] in church, but for people who are not attached to a church, I don't know how they get the information."

 

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Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:31 | 4560891 Manthong
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Tax evaders!

Lock 'em all up.

 

 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:34 | 4560896 LetThemEatRand
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"Lock 'em all up."

In a few years when they don't pay their tax bill penalty for the plan that is not a tax.  Prison, Inc. thanks them for their non-compliance.  At least they'll have free healthcare (paid for by you and me) when they are in the clink. 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:43 | 4560936 DoChenRollingBearing
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That is right LTER.  Oh, hey do me a favor?  I am down in Peru so I can't call and scream at them at them myself.

Tell all the Democrats in office you (or any friends or family may know) that I hope they get slaughtered in the Congressional races in 2014.  Hey, the D-Team voted for this travesty...

While you're at it, see if you can have Chief Justice John Roberts impeached too for calling this a "tax", I wonder what "they" have on him...?  Does he get Obamacare too?  Hmm, inquiring minds want to know!

***

Most importantly, will we get free health care in FEMA Camp?  Or do they just turn us into fertilizer if a tree falls on us...

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:47 | 4560950 LetThemEatRand
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Bush selected Roberts because he's a corporatist.  Obamacare is the biggest give away EVER to insurance companies and BigHealthcare.  It's not that they have something on Roberts.  It's that they have something on all of us.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:51 | 4560969 Manthong
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Like, WTF.. so if you don’t understand or agree with a federal tax, just ignore it and everything is hunky-dory?

No jackboots, swat teams or anything?

Works for me.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:54 | 4560978 LetThemEatRand
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Private corporations own the government, and the IRS is the enforcement arm of the Fed.  It will take a few years for the unpaid penalties to turn into "deliberately" unpaid tax bills.  Then the jackboots.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:05 | 4561020 negative rates
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This sounds like a probation officer situtation.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:20 | 4561062 knukles
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You gotta be kidding me... "low-income, young families may have been overlooked." 

Overfucking looked?
Overfucking looked?
Overfucking looked they say?
And who pray the fucking tell overlooked these. their very own first fucking target market?
Overfucking looked with Bazillion US Taxpayer Dollars, Which Are All Voluntary, courtesy of Joe Biden, Franz Kafka and Eddie Bernays!

OVER FUCKING LOOKED?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:32 | 4561319 Sokhmate
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Dear Liza, Over--Looked.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 08:09 | 4562377 johnQpublic
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 "that men are statistically more likely to be morons"

 

or men are better at math

no way i'd have health insurance without my wife

its cheaper for me to pay as i go

we have hit the deductible twice in the last eighteen years together

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 22:25 | 4561638 RafterManFMJ
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Save us from this corporate fascist bullshit, Comrade Putin!

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:07 | 4561028 negative rates
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Which also happens to be their bad health, and who's a gonna pay now?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:29 | 4561098 HardAssets
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Yeah, seems that some are still dumb enough to think it has something to do with their health.

(Like 'social security' - which has been robbed for decades - had something to do with peoples retirement when old.)

 

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:50 | 4560963 DCFusor
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I am one of those "middle aged men" who has never had insurance and needed it at the same time, ever.  I've been self-insured most of my life.  Works for me, and I'll pay the fine - even cut my income so it's less, rather than sign on.  They can go pound sand.  I can *live* off what they want for premiums + deductables for a 60yo, before it pays out the first dime.  Surely they are kidding...and since it's a tax, that can only come out of my refund, I simply withold less...so no refund.  So, chew on that, losers.  You're not forcing me to buy that shit.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:27 | 4561088 simplejustice
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Hi Dc ,glad to see your post. I won't be buying it ether,I plan to adjust accordingly. Time to let the rough side drag. Hope things are good down on the range. I think of you every time I see the sun shining brightly.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:57 | 4561182 LetThemEatRand
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Not defending the travesty that is Obamacare, but if you are diagnosed with cancer before Medicare kicks in who pays for that?  You never see people who needed help posting "I don't need help so fuck everyone else" shit.  Steve McQueen famously said he'd rather die young than go through cancer treatment, until he needed cancer treatment.  Then he got a big helping of it.  Maybe you're tougher than Steve and/or have as much money.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:03 | 4561211 jcaz
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It's called SELF insurance,  Rand- go out, make something of your life, and presto- you can afford to pay for your own healthcare YOURSELF-  you don't need help from Big Brother.   There isn't anything that can happen to me that I can't cover myself-  kiss my ass goodbye to the insurance system.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:05 | 4561219 LetThemEatRand
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I do pay for my own insurance and I own a small business.  If I were diagnosed with cancer tomorrow and I relied on my personal assets, the first month of treatment would wipe out everything I own.  You?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:07 | 4561227 jcaz
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You need insurance?   I don't.   So why should I pay for it?

Are you really this dense?   Maybe you do need insurance......

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:09 | 4561237 LetThemEatRand
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If you have a heart attack tomorrow, your bill will be mid six figures next month.  Have that kind of coin laying around?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:17 | 4561261 jcaz
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Uh, yeah as a matter of fact- what, you think everyone on this board is struggling like you are?

BTW, get a better health care provider-  Mayo will take me on with a heart attack for $50K cash up front, plus I get run thru their gauntlet of health care evaluation- best in the world.   Talk to Dr Cahoon in Indiana, he got me all set up with a buddy.

It's called DOING IT YOURSELF,  verses relying on an insurance company to run your life- try it sometime, you may like it.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:23 | 4561270 LetThemEatRand
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You are delusional if you think Mayo will treat you for a full on heart attack for $50K.  I will now tell you what to do youself, narcissist douchebag.  And notice your own fine print about "up front."  And how many people have that kind of cash laying around?  Good for you if you do, but fuck everyone else?  Then fuck you.

"According to an article from the National Business Group on Health, the average total cost of a severe heart attack--including direct and indirect costs--is about $1 million. Direct costs include charges for hospitals, doctors and prescription drugs, while the indirect costs include lost productivity and time away from work. The average cost of a less severe heart attack is about $760,000. Amortized over 20 years, that's $50,000 per year for a severe heart attack and $38,000 per year for a less severe heart attack."   http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-would-a-heart-attack-cost-you/

 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:25 | 4561291 jcaz
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LOL-is that worse that being an illterate douchebag?   Cut and paste is your answer?   Try THINKING.

"National Business Group on Health"???  Who do you think that is????  

Dude, I gave you the name of my contact-  be a man and look him him-  Lafayette, IN-  if you got the cash, you can score the same deal.

Oh, you don't have the cash?  

So how long have you been a health insurance agent?

 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:30 | 4561298 LetThemEatRand
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My sister went to school there (Lafayette, IN).   She's now a self-employed vet.   And I do have the cash for the upfront payment.  I don't have a million lying around for the rest of it.  Do you?  And I work for a living running a small business that will not survive if I'm laid up for a few months.   So should I not be free to contract with other like-minded people who want to share risk?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:36 | 4561336 jcaz
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The school is in West Lafayette, actually- good try tho.   And if she's a vet, you're covered, so again, why pay for insurance if you can score a deal with her?

Agreed, your insurance company won't survive if you're laid up for a month-  but that's not MY problem, it's yours.

My mind isn't like yours- quit whining about it,  I did better than you did.   Life isn't fair that way.

Seriously, I really need a quote on the Fiat..... Just liability, of course- I can cover the rest.....

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:42 | 4561351 LetThemEatRand
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I don't believe that you are successful.  I know many very successful narcissists and they are able to put together much more cogent arguments.  West Lafayette is your come back?  Seriously?  You are a poser, my friend.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:43 | 4561360 jcaz
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Good one- you got me.   Now get me my quote- chop chop.

No wonder you're broke- your customer service is terrible....

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:45 | 4561366 LetThemEatRand
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No quote for you.  You are not credit worthy.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 18:28 | 4569774 TheRedScourge
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"So should I not be free to contract with other like-minded people who want to share risk?"

Obamacare doesn't make it legal to pay for health insurance, it makes it MANDATORY. You were free to do it before, and you were also statistically more likely to HAVE health insurance before.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 21:09 | 4561432 Chump
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$760 grand for a "less-severe heart attack," and you want to focus on the insurance side of the equation??  What the fuck is wrong with you?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 21:17 | 4561443 LetThemEatRand
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That's how it goes with a private pay health system.  Don't ya know.  I hear the Scandavian countries are all like Detroit with their socialized medicine.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 21:29 | 4561473 Chump
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You can be flippant if you'd like, but for someone who professes to be anti-corporatist you sure are keen to make sure large corporations maintain monopolistic control of the health care system.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 07:48 | 4562307 Raging Debate
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Rand - What is causing the inability to afford healthcare is government meddling resulting in lack of competition. The big crushing the middle class through vote buying.

I belive in catastrophic coverage, diet and exersice, preventative check ups. If those things happen you don't wind up with $150,000 medical bill to treat late stage cancers or heart disease. A penny of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

For $8,000 a year for a platinum plan I would rather invest it at this point. I don't need "maturnity care" or other services my health insurance premiums would pay for.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 18:26 | 4569767 TheRedScourge
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$1 million per heart attack? Bullshit. There's over 700k heart attacks per year in the US, and 200k are fatal. That's at least $500 billion a year just in heart attacks, or about 1/6th of the entire budget.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:45 | 4561365 Things that go bump
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Steve McQueen died young of his cancer anyway, poor man. I seem to remember that he was down in Mexico trying treatments not sanctioned by the US medical community before the end for all the good it did him, but he had a lot to live for.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:58 | 4561386 riskprice
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sftdb

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:52 | 4561388 Mr Lucky
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You may not beieve this, but cancer treatment (surgery, radiation, chemo) often kills you faster and with more suffering than the cancer. The treatment is a racket, and only MDs are allowed to treat cancer in the US because it is a cash cow. If you get cancer, there is always a more natural route. Learn how to put your body back into balance so that it can heal. Cancer is a symptom not a cause. Everyone has to die sometime. Try and do it with maximum dignity, and when you go, head to the light.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 18:36 | 4569801 TheRedScourge
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The science is pretty clear on cancer outcomes. You should be sued for criminal negligence causing death for suggesting natural treatments. Keep your Vitamin C and your homeopathy and prayers and tropical rain dances, while the rest of us stick with science backed by decades of studies.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:52 | 4561390 riskprice
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Just sign up for it when you are diagnosed;  there is NO PRE-EXISTING PROHIBITION.  

That right there is your biggest bogosity of all in the whole fucking thing. Health insurance is now a financing plan.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:00 | 4561200 jcaz
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Same boat here.  54 yrs old, self employed, no inshorance for me.  Price isn't the issue-  I lose more playing lotto every month, because I can.  What IS the issue is Taxation Without Representation.  What IS disturbing is the % of dupes who are mindlessly going along with this Facist regime,  so afraid to pay a "penalty".....  Kiss my ass,  I view it as paying a tax to live among the mindless-  which do you want to pay, the big tax or the little tax?   Seems simple......

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:03 | 4561208 LetThemEatRand
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It is not a binary equation.  Steve.  Your health is your greatest asset.  Sad to see so many people put their political ideology ahead of that commodity (while they are healthy).

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:06 | 4561222 jcaz
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It is for me, Bob-  now go find someone else to give you a hand out- my line is closed.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:08 | 4561231 LetThemEatRand
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I pay for my insurance, and I am not asking for a handout.  In fact, I am healthy as a horse but unlike you I realize that shared risk is a good thing because I am not an egomaniac who expects the best and fails to plan for the worst.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:22 | 4561281 jcaz
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Dude, you're not getting it.... By receiving insurance, you are- by definitition- ASKING FOR A HANDOUT!

How can I make this any more simple for you-  go to your doctor, ask for his cash price to service your decaying body-  you'll find his cash prices VASTLY different from his Ponzi-loving insurance companies up his ass-  if he's a decent doc, he'll be HAPPY to work with you.

It's not that complex-  this country was built without insurance companies.   Insurance companies exist for ONE reason- to SPREAD risk,  not solve it.  

Wake up.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:25 | 4561295 LetThemEatRand
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You are a mindless ideologue.  The exact opposite is true.  Doctors charge more for uninsured patients because they enter into contracts with insurance companies to charge less.  Not only are you a narcissist ideologically blind douche, you are also a well of misinformation to boot.  

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:28 | 4561306 jcaz
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LOL- why don't you cut and paste me some more Insurance company propaganda?

Seriously- do you sell just Health, or do you do Health, Life, and Auto?   I have a '82 Fiat,  I need a quote.....

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:29 | 4561310 LetThemEatRand
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When you run out of bullshit to say about why we should all just pay our own medical expenses even if it means that most of us will die trying, claim the poster is selling insurance.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:39 | 4561343 jcaz
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"most of use will die trying..."

Wow- those insurance companies really did a number on you, didn't they sweetie?   You must be terrified to walk out the front door in the morning...

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:44 | 4561353 LetThemEatRand
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"Sweetie" -- the word that always seems to come out when I get the goat because it the last refuge of the small mind trying to remember what made it feel childlike.  Well played.  In a "tell" kind of way.  Sorry if I got to you. 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:45 | 4561364 jcaz
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You're awesome, dude-  truly my hero tonight.

Now gimme my quote-  what the hell, dude-  I have to BEG you to let me buy insurance for my Fiat from you?   No wonder this system sucks.....

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:46 | 4561372 LetThemEatRand
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I'm sorry, but you don't qualify.  Ask your parents to co-sign and we'll talk.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 21:04 | 4561420 jcaz
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Gotta run, dude- time to trade, money to be made in China tonight-

Seriously, you should try working a little harder-  trade some currencies at night,  you'd be surprised how much you don't need insurance when you're earning a decent income....  Will make you more money than this mental masturbation, certainly,  tho perhaps less amusing.

Honestly, if your business is so precarious that you'll lose it by catching cooties for a month, then you're really not making in life anyway, are you?

You get back me with that quote on my Fiat-  and pm me if you ever want to earn a decent wage-  I'd like to see another person break free from depending on others financially to make it in life;

Sad, really-  but you keep on truckin', cowgirl.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 21:09 | 4561433 LetThemEatRand
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Thanks for the words of wisdom, poser.  Tell me how the "trades" go.  

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 22:14 | 4561604 jcaz
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Not well so far,  but the night is young....  I do need to make something, tho, because you're sitting there doing nothing,  and since you're a ward of the state, it's up to guys like me to take care of you,  or else you'll lose your insurance agency and be out squeeging my windshield mid-day.....

Seriously, "Rand",  it's time to stop pointing fingers at others for your own shortcomings-  I'd apologize for having more than you,  but that would be counterproductive- it will just remind you how stupid it was to buy into your high-school councillor when he assured you that career with Geico would be your best fit...  

They lied to you, Rand- we weren't all gonna be wealthy and happy and marry the prettiest girl in the school (28 yrs here, thanks)....  You were never "exceptional", Rand- your mommy just didn't want you to make that sad face all the time...

So here you are,  using a pseudonym of someone who really did matter- who was able to recognize a real weight of the world upon shoulders- while you sit at your monitor in your dark little room, and whine about why you can't cut it in life....  "Ironic" is hardly the word......

C'mon, I wanna help...  Seriously....  There are enough sad cases in the world already-  reach out,  Rand... '82 Fiat,  12,000 miles,  $1M liability- what's my quote for six months?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:46 | 4561369 overmedicatedun...
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ol' rand, do you hold Darwin was correct and post darwinism is correct, if you do (and I suspect you do) then maybe you are a hypocrit cause natural selection is at work on the 300lb black baby machine with syndrome x and the last thing society should do is prolong and promote more of this.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:52 | 4561383 LetThemEatRand
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Are you a 300lb black baby machine?  I don't recall supporting your cause, but rock on mama.  Get in your Escalade and tell Hannity that you love him and then post more pearls of wisdom here for the uninformed.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:55 | 4561400 overmedicatedun...
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no rand, but you might well be the hiv pos, fudge packer, voting dem his whole life, or correct me if you are the tongue in groove man hating lesbo, voting dem her whole life, which is it?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 21:01 | 4561410 LetThemEatRand
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Any more personal issues you want to work through? Let it all out.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 21:04 | 4561419 overmedicatedun...
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come on Rand, your among friends, tell us your tale of woe, perhaps we can help you of your fears, maybe try getting a backbone , and take care of yourself, you know go walden pond on us.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 21:12 | 4561439 LetThemEatRand
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Too busy batin' to Rand novels to respond, then up early to earn minimum wage because the productive class like me is held down by high taxes.  But you know.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 07:59 | 4562338 Raging Debate
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Jcaz - Yep pay the cash price with my Dr. I see him every three months which costs $78 per visit and no offense but I prefer English Doctors that know what the hell they are doing. Blood tests are $20-$30 and I am in and out of the office on time. I know a dentists and pyschiatrist that only take cash now because insurance pays them less which means they also are now providing less service. Cash is and will always be king.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 22:32 | 4561652 RafterManFMJ
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I find it fascinating you're dumb enough to play the lotto so much, yet not dumb enough to sign up for 0blamo care.

I'm going to try to get a CDC or HHS grant to study you; all-aboard the gravy train.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:45 | 4560943 lordylord
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Even more disturbing is the 55% who said they were buying overpriced health insurance with high deductables that doesn't actually give you any health care. 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:03 | 4561213 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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A subsidy is other people paying for your insurance. Why this is not apparent to those who qualify for it demonstrates why our current form of government will not survive.

 

 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 22:23 | 4561630 RafterManFMJ
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Gender matters. When the pollsters asked the uninsured whether they planned to stay that way, despite the individual mandate, 37 percent of men said yes, compared with 29 percent of women. Further confirmation, if anyone needed it, that men are statistically more likely to be morons.

Golly, I wonder why I don't bother with bloomberg any more; perhaps I'm a moron.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 22:43 | 4561687 Miffed Microbio...
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In this case the morons are the smart ones. If I didn't have insurance through my work I'd be in the ranks as well. The trick here is to hide assets which they steal. I've seen so many people lose it all. Frankly, if I had a bad diagnosis, I'd divorce my husband and give him all the assets. I'd go for supportive measures,pain control and enjoy my remaining days. I've seen so many people die horribly from cancer treatments and subsequent infections and complications. Studies have shown in many cases cancer patients forgoing treatment lived longer than those who did conventional therapies and had a better quality of life. I would spend the money for diagnosis to know what I was facing. If it's something like Pancreatic cancer, time will be short so why do drastic therapies? Even with all the money Steve Jobs had didn't change the outcome.

Miffed;-)

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 23:09 | 4561765 Jena
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It's always instructive to look at what healthcare types choose themselves, I think. And not fresh out of school, optimistic types either, but the ones who have been there awhile.  Maybe not the really cynical ones who have "NO CODE" tattooes on their chests though, because they wouldn't choose anything, most likely.

Occasionally you can find an article where doctors discuss the sort of things they would choose to treat and just how aggressively.  You have to look for it but it's interesting if you can find it.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 23:35 | 4561830 Miffed Microbio...
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I think, for me, the diagnosis would be the key. If it was something with a high cure rate I would consider it. Lung cancer? Probably not. Five year survival rate is poor and that death certainly is not pleasant that I have seen. Such a greater rate of non smokers getting it these days as well. For me, the quality of life is essential. Not for everyone though. I've seen people go through Hell and beg for anything that would get them one more day no matter how tortuous the therapy. Drs, in my experience, tend to treat aggressively and not divulge the success rate what they propose. Hopefully you,working more side by side, have seen better than I.

Two days ago I was late ( thank god) getting out of work and came upon a horrible head on collision. We couldn't get the woman out of the car and had to wait for the fire dept. I sat on the hood of my car and watched them do chest compressions. Damn near fell apart, it really took me back. She had that ashen color. The man who was trying to help get her out turned to me and asked if she was going to make it. I just looked down and shook my head. I heard later she was declared at my hospital. My family was upset I came home so late and missed dinner reservations ( my birthday) but they understood why I just wanted to curl up on my chaise lounge on the porch. Life is so fragile, we take so much for granted and then it turns on a dime.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 17:53 | 4569679 MeelionDollerBogus
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Ya, that really says it. If a rich fucker can't afford, can't find, a treatment, you can't either. Don't poison yourself with chemo. Just enjoy the time you have left.
Makes me wonder with how nasty chemo can be for some situations how doctors can go ahead at all given the hippocratic oath.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 22:42 | 4561681 drendebe10
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As the fudge packer in chief lied repeatedly, "if you like your indurance, you can keep your insurance."

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 01:42 | 4562010 doctor10
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I'm just getting out the popcorn to sit back and enjoy watching Obama come and get it.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:32 | 4560893 LetThemEatRand
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So they think the guys doing kegstands are paying attention to ads about insuring against kegstand injuries?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:35 | 4560898 anefarious1
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Find out exactly how much your Obamacare fine is going to be here:

http://obamacarefee.com

The best calculator I've seen. Funny thing is you pay 1/12th or your fine for each full month you are uninsured yet they are closing enrollment soon. How does that make any sense at all?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:48 | 4560954 Skateboarder
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Thanks for the link.

A 45K modified adjusted gross income (from a '65K job') gets you the following fines:

2014: $350
2015: $700
2016: $875

$1000/yr in fines by 2017 for a 65K job. Very nice. I wonder how long it will take MyRA to mandate another grand.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:32 | 4561110 anefarious1
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Did you get those penalty amounts from http://obamacarefee.com

 

I got a fine of over $2,000 for 45K of MAGI for tax year 2016 using the website. Where did you get $875 from?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:46 | 4561148 Skateboarder
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I checked single, no dependents, no kids. Sure enough, it comes out to $2,085 filing married (jointly) with no dependents and two kids (the average family unit).

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:35 | 4560899 Soul Glow
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<--- Not getting Obamacare

<--- Getting Obamacare

Zero Hedge poll open.  Feel free to vote.

Anyone remember the old ZH polls?  

[Sigh]

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:08 | 4561033 negative rates
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All kinds of voting tools, for all kinds o voting fools.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:40 | 4560923 nmewn
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Sooo, ummm, how's that universal health care even moar frrreeeee! & "progressive" than ObamaCare thingie workin out in Vermont?

About like one would expect...

“The deadlines for proposing financing have been missed two years in a row now, so to me that’s very disappointing. It’s becoming clearer and clearer that there is no financing plan,” Condon told Vermont Watchdog.

As Vermont Watchdog reported, an independent report by the Washington, D.C.-based consulting firm Avalere Health concluded that the costs of Green Mountain Care would require Vermont to raise tax revenue roughly equal to the state’s tax collections from all sources today.

Condon, a Democrat from Colchester, said he thinks a single-payer system in Vermont would “cost more” than a couple of previous estimates. Those estimates pegged the cost for single-payer at anywhere from $1.6 billion to $2.2 billion annually.

“It’s a government program [so] I think it’s going to cost more than that. (edit...lol...ya think!?) Given that, I think it would be in the best interest of Vermonters to redirect our energies away from single-payer health care to trying to improve the system we’re in now,” Condon added.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/democratic-lawmaker-says-vermonts-single-payer-health-care-plan-has-already-flatlined/

What a clusterfuck.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:43 | 4560935 IridiumRebel
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But it's such a fuckin deal! I bet the Insurance Corps are a little mad at themselves for thinking this scam would work. Now .gov sits back and waits for single payer.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:55 | 4560945 ThroxxOfVron
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"37 percent of men said yes, compared with 29 percent of women. Further confirmation, if anyone needed it, that men are statistically more likely to be morons." -Bloomberg 

 

Wait a fucking minute!   Bloomberg news just called 37% of ALL uninsured Men and 29% of ALL uninsured Women in the Untied States morons ???!?! 

i guess they didn't consider the possibility that that sort of unprovoked crude condescending public attack by a privately owned media company might result in the wholesale boycott of their business by tens of millions of Citizens.

I hereby declare a national BOYCOTT of ALL services and related services produced by the demeaning propagandist organsization called Bloomberg and the owner of said organization Michael Bloomberg.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:59 | 4561000 nmewn
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According to my handy dandy Alinsky Guide for Politcally Correct Words & Terms...misandry is not a word that appears to violate the coven, while misogyny does.

I've got the hard back edition, signed by Gloria Steinem! ;-)

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:01 | 4561005 Pseudonymous
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I totally support you. You should also add the author himself to the shit list:

Christopher Flavelle

His twitter (incl. a short bio and a picture): https://twitter.com/cflav

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 22:44 | 4561689 drendebe10
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If u like ur moron, u can keep ur moron.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:46 | 4560948 q99x2
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Overburdened people respond in unpredictable ways.

The FED sucks. Banksters suck. Obamacare sucks and Washington D.C. sucks too.

The NSA sucks, The CIA sucks. Components of the FBI suck. The DHS sucks and Eric Holder sucks too.

Janet Yellen sucks. Ben Bernanke sucks. Paul Krugman sucks. Loyd Blankfein sucks. And, Rumsfeld sucks two.

The spider sucks. The tick sucks. The mesquito sucks The flea sucks and Lemmon lips Dimon sucks too.

They all suck.

Fuck You Goldman Sachs.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:51 | 4560968 Skateboarder
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+1 for modern poetry.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:55 | 4560979 Seasmoke
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This post does not suck. 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:09 | 4561037 negative rates
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And I rolled out of bed on my face today too.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:48 | 4560949 Peak Finance
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As a "semi-employed" middle age male, the demographic mentioned in the article, Let me tell you why I "choose" to remaind un-insured. 

The premuim was outrageously expensive!

I don't know what a premium should be or what is normally is for someone of my age, since I have not had health insurance in 15+ years, but I will tell you the choice for me was Obamacare or Mortgage. The premium was literally around 25% of my after-tax monthly income!

It's actually worse in a lot of cases, I do know some "marginally-employeed" 40-somethings in this "new" economy, and their premium is literally 50% of their monthly after-tax income! They were shocked that at their level of income (or lack thereof) that they were expected to pay so much! (I was told that these rates had something to do with the state not expanding medicare eligibility or something like that, but that sounds like some bullshit to blame the state for the Obamacare fuck-up)

It's just crazy, I don't know how they can possibly expect someone at the margins to pay that much for healthcare, it's literally impossible to make these payments. 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:25 | 4561081 Robinhood
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To qualify for the tax credit you have to make at least $12K/yr, if not you are put on medicaid. But if you live in a state that has elected not to expand medicaid to cover people that fall below the cutoff of $12k/yr you are shit out of luck. If you don't qualify for the tax credit and don't get the medicaid you either have to pay the full, very high, insurance premium or go without, or lie.

If you are marginally/semi employed and you "think you might make $11,500/yr look at the rainbows and unicorns on the MSM every day and think to yourself, well shit this year I'm going to make $12,400, put that amount in your healthcars.gov application. Your premium will be very low and in some cases $0.

I'm not a proponent of Obumfuck care, someone has to pay for the tax credits but I also don't think people who are trying to work but marginally/semi employed and fall under the limit need to be left out. 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 22:42 | 4561679 RafterManFMJ
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Feel for ya buddy. Hey, when the fines pile up and they put a lien on your house you'll have a delicate issue of timing; how can you burn the place to the ground on or close to the day you pass?

Might be a growth industry - professional house burner so the commie bastards and banks get nothing.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 07:58 | 4562334 Free Wary
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Of course he hits your demographic hard. You didn't vote for him or send him campaign cash.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:49 | 4560958 LawsofPhysics
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"The Barack Obama administration is doing a terrible job of publicizing the law's subsidies." -  No shit, the U.S.S.A. already has far too many liabilities on it's balance sheet. By design folks.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:51 | 4560967 A Lunatic
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I will be damned if I ever subject myself to a fucking law that NOBODY in Congress read and is arbitrarily applied. Compliance at any level with this type of shit is to legitimize it, which I AND MY FAMILY WILL NOT DO!!

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 22:50 | 4561703 drendebe10
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2300 pages

"We have to pass it to find outwhat's in it." Botoxface n hair dye Pelosicunt.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:54 | 4560971 Pseudonymous
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Further confirmation, if anyone needed it, that men are statistically more likely to be morons.

 

By Christopher Flavelle

You could keep that to yourself, Chris. Oh, and you are just a statistically insignificant outlier.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:00 | 4561001 ThroxxOfVron
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DO NOT forget that Chris Flavelle also claims that 29% of uninsured Women are 'morons' as well.

DO NOT forget that Mr. Flavelle has Editors that approved his language before publishing it.

DO NOT forget that avowed statist, 1%er and former NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg owns the namesake media shill organization.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:13 | 4561045 Pseudonymous
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Thanks for pointing these out. I think your observations and logic is way better and more comprehensive. Someone has to do this kind of thinking. Well, everyone should do this kind of thinking for themselves, but it is nice to also write it down and share it with others. I just didn't feel like covering all of this in a post and decided to just poke fun at the guy.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:24 | 4561075 knukles
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Fuck him and the midget unicorn he rode in on.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:55 | 4560974 Kirk2NCC1701
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"As for me and my house, we shall..." will remain insured, until we leave the USSA.  WIP.  2014 Deductibles are a BITCH!

"This is not my daddy's USA anymore."  The decline and bust of King Dollar will get UG-LY:  Don't want to be anywhere near EBT, SNAP country.  Right now Crimea looks more promising (said for effect).

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:58 | 4560986 overexposed
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Nothing says "objective news article" quite like insulting 50% of the population for political reasons:

Gender matters. When the pollsters asked the uninsured whether they planned to stay that way, despite the individual mandate, 37 percent of men said yes, compared with 29 percent of women. Further confirmation, if anyone needed it, that men are statistically more likely to be morons.

So the question, before I waste my time clicking on the Bloomidiot link, is this: Was the author homo?  Or raging femen?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 18:58 | 4560990 overexposed
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... And "homo" wins the day.

Yet another delightful reminder of why "reporter" is the single lowest-paid profession.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:04 | 4561016 BidnessMan
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The ObamaCare exemption “you experienced another hardship in obtaining health insurance ... please submit documentation if possible” is all anyone needs. 

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:31 | 4561105 insanelysane
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This is the real reason he keeps extending the deadlines.  No one is following the law so Obama has 2 choices, enforce the law and force these people to pay up which would paint him as a mean spirited person or just extend and pretend that everything will work fine some time in the future.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:42 | 4561137 Shizzmoney
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RE

"37 percent of men said yes, compared with 29 percent of women. Further confirmation, if anyone needed it, that men are statistically more likely to be morons." -Bloomberg

As the writer of this sentence proves.


Mon, 03/17/2014 - 19:50 | 4561168 Rising Sun
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Are they selling FUCK-YOU-OBAMA-CARE yet?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:57 | 4561171 DaveA
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Further confirmation, if anyone needed it, that men are statistically more likely to be morons.

As a middle-age "moron", I'll gladly take credit when Obamacare fails because healthy men like me didn't buy it. Why should I pay the same rate as a woman, when I'll never get pregnant, nor will I visit the doctor for every little sniffle?

(Photo caption)This guy is either protesting against Obamacare or in favor of the FREE preventative care middle-age men like him would get if they BOUGHT coverage.

Who writes this garbage? The whole article reeks of impotent rage that Obamacare is dying and taking down a big chunk of the Democratic Party with it.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 22:23 | 4561632 plane jain
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Eh, life isn't fair.

Why should I pay the same rate as a woman, when I'll never get pregnant, nor will I visit the doctor for every little sniffle?

I'm a woman, I don't go to the doctor for every little sniffle, had my first and only child at age 35, yet I got hit with paying a higher rate for health insurance all along.  

And, really, if the pregnancy premium were fairly applied it would be charged to fertile people of both sexes since it takes two.

Maybe the sterile should lobby for a discount?  I have had my appendix and my gall bladder out already...discount?

 


Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:52 | 4563849 DaveA
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Eh, life isn't fair.

A strong man doesn't have to accept a bad deal, ever. He can just walk away -- not marry you, not buy whatever it is you're selling, not pay the taxes you demand of him, move to a country where you can't vote, etc.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:16 | 4561259 Heroic Couplet
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Imagine if the powers that be were printing Obama Scare info. Now imagine it was gone in 40 seconds.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:20 | 4561274 Ralph Spoilsport
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For an administration that's supposed to be good at 'optics' and media manipulation, these morons have really screwed the pooch as far as convincing the young people they need to fund this disaster.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/we-re-young-we-aren-t-stupid

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:25 | 4561293 overmedicatedun...
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War is a racket!!!!!!!!, but .gov healhcare in ol ussa is not? give me a break..LOL, the needed compitition of small start ups and private co's is smashed into the ground by the heal of big .gov, folks healthcare is a racket run by a mob, and posters like rand can eat my shorts.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:32 | 4561320 noless
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Yay open misandry, maybe don't alienate nearly your entire population next time so you can buy a yacht and the hookers and blow to go with it.

If there is a next time.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 20:59 | 4561409 Da...Bears
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"it seems "low-income, young families may have been overlooked."

That's funny.. because whenever I turn on the local hip hop/R&B station, they relentlessly spam ads by washed up celebs begging people to sign up.  But when I turn on the classic rock or alternative rock stations, there isn't a single Obamacare ad.

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 21:19 | 4561446 TheObsoleteMan
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Illegal immi'grunts have NEVER paid for their own heathcare and Washinton thinks they are going to start now?

Mon, 03/17/2014 - 22:27 | 4561645 Seek_Truth
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Look around America and it is clearly evident that choices have consequences:

Majority of Americans:

Increasing rates of unwed mothers and single parent families, increasing % of population on hand outs (FSA), eating unhealthy food, fast food and junk food regularly, coupled with lack of exercise, resulting in obesity on the rise in a majority of Americans, from children to adults. 70+ % of the population participating in the abuse of alcohol, tobacco, or drugs (pharmaceutical or illegal).  Hypochondriacs that go to the doctor (medical / psychiatric) anytime they have the most minor ailment, eager to get their “prescription” for what “ails” them. Fully bought into “credit”, fiat, and the debt based system.  Brainwashed by Bernays-ian “education”, marketing, and propaganda.

Minority of Americans:

Married before they had kids and traditional families, not on the gubmint dole, exercise regularly, stay fit, eat right, work hard, don’t abuse alcohol, tobacco, or drugs (pharmaceutical or illegal). Go to the medical doctor only for major medical issues, avoid psychiatry quacks like the plague they are, avoid pharmaceuticals unless absolutely necessary, on a temporary basis. No use for “credit” or debt,  using fiat only because the majority hasn’t figured out its worthlessness.

Why would anyone who is in the latter group ever pay into Obamacare?

We’re way past the tipping point. Choices have consequences.

When the cull begins, there’s no question which group has far better odds of survival.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 07:55 | 4562329 Free Wary
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I happen to have health insurance because I want it. But,  I have to say that we try to avoid western physicians as much as we can. The medical system is so corrupt and they are biased towards very heavy intrusive treatments. Don't get me wrong, there are some things that western trained physician do best- especially trauma treatment.

By the way. according to the constitution, if I purchase insurance and/or contract services with a physician within the borders of my own state, the federal government has no power to regulate or interfere with that transaction. We need to start ignoring all unconstitutional laws and regulations.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 02:04 | 4562033 icanhasbailout
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I don't have AIDS or cancer and am not interested in transgender surgery. So what's in it for me to buy health insurance?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 07:08 | 4562235 Unstable Condition
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I will not comply.

Oh, and only a 'moron' would legitimize such a fascist, unconstitutional "law" by sighning up.

Fuck you Roberts, Pelosi Obama et ilk.

 

edit: that should be 'signing'.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 08:11 | 4562385 d edwards
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"In communities of color...people hear about 0bamacare in church." SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! OMG!

 

Actually, being a "refusenik" is probably the way to go: one big F-you 0bozo!

 

This law has been modified with waivers, extensions, delays, etc. something like 25-30 times. It should be declared null and void and left in the dustbin of history where it belongs.

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