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Ron Paul Asks "If Spying On Senate Is So Bad, Why Is It OK For Them To Spy On Us?"
Submitted by Ron Paul of The Ron Paul Institute,
The reaction of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) to last week’s revelations that the CIA secretly searched Senate Intelligence Committee computers reveals much about what the elites in government think about the rest of us. “Spy on thee, but not on me!”
The hypocrisy of Sen. Feinstein is astounding. She is the biggest backer of the NSA spying on the rest of us, but when the tables are turned and her staff is the target she becomes irate. But there is more to it than that. There is an attitude in Washington that the laws Congress passes do not apply to Members. They can trample our civil liberties, they believe, but it should never affect their own freedom.
Remember that much of this started when politicians rushed to past the PATRIOT Act after 9/11. Those of us who warned that such new powers granted to the state would be used against us someday were criticized as alarmist and worse. The violations happened just as we warned, but when political leaders discovered the breach of our civil liberties they did nothing about it. It was not until whistleblowers like Edward Snowden and others informed us of the abuses that the “debate” over surveillance that President Obama claimed to welcome could even begin to take place! Left to politicians like Dianne Feinstein, Mike Rogers, and President Obama, we would never have that debate because we would not know.
Washington does not care about our privacy. When serious violations are discovered they most often rush to protect the status quo instead of defending the Constitution. Senator Feinstein did just that as the NSA spying revelations began to create pressure on the Intelligence Community. Her NSA reform legislation was nothing but a smokescreen: under the guise of “reform” it would have codified in law the violations already taking place. When that fact became too obvious to deny, the Senate was forced to let the legislation die in the committee.
What is interesting, and buried in the accusations and denials, is that the alleged CIA monitoring was over an expected 6,000 page Senate Intelligence Committee report on the shameful and un-American recent CIA history of torture at the “gulag archipelago” of secret prisons it set up across the world after the attacks of 9/11. We can understand why the CIA might have been afraid of that information getting out.
When CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou exposed the CIA’s role in torturing prisoners he was sent to prison for nearly three years. But Senator Feinstein and her colleagues didn’t lift a finger to support him. So again you have the double standards and hypocrisy.
The essence of this problem has to do with the difficulty in managing the US empire. When the government behaves as an empire rather than as a republic, lying to the rest of us is permissible. They spy on everybody because they don’t trust anybody. The answer is obvious: rein in the CIA; remove its authority to conduct these kinds of covert actions. Rein in government. Lawmakers should not defend Fourth Amendment rights only when their staffs have been violated. They should do it all the time for all of us. The people’s branch of government must stand up for the people. Let’s hope that Sen. Feinstein has had her wake-up call and will now finally start defending the rest of us against a government that increasingly sees us as the enemy.
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Love you, Ron. Tell your asshole son to stop supporting drone warfare and to end the Fed.
I'm glad you finally noticed, Dianne.
Go get 'em, even if it's just for you!
Damn hypocrites, all of them.
To think we could have had a decent man like Ron for President, instead we have an ass-hat.
I know he never had a chance at being appointed, but there was hope, and not the kind the current tranny was talking about.
Dianne Feinstein wants drones regulated
(for you and me of course, NOT the state)
“I’m in my home and there’s a demonstration out front, and I go to peek out the window and there’s a drone facing me,” she recalled.
“When is a drone picture a benefit to society? When does it become stalking? When does it invade privacy? How close to a home can a drone go?” Feinstein said, listing questions she would like to see answered in the complex regulation process.
“I’m in my home and there’s a demonstration out front, and I go to peek out the window and there’s a drone facing me,” she recalled.
Dianne Feinstein is a fat chance.
Entered critterdom with a few meazly millions and is now worth .2 billion or some similarily appalling, grotesque number. Grotesque is a recurring theme with this one.
Husband gets gov contracts. Mr. and Mrs. America...turn them all in. I still think the was half in the bag when she said this, broken as is was. Speaking of bags...
Or hags for that matter. Waspish cunt.
That fucking bitch (along with Pelosi) loved to pass legislation to enrich her husband (and indirectly, her). Utter slime...too much of that in the halls of the US Congress.
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http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=4478
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"The War Of The Titans Finally Begins"Red Fox as Fred Sanford said, "Therr aint nothing uglier than an old white woman." And there u habe Diane Cuntstein.
Dianne Feinstein, born as Dianne Emiel Goldman, is a jew (Source).
Now, now. I thought you were going to post that she was REAL Aunt Esther from Sanford & Son.
Feinstein + Goldman : No intermixing? Just we, low level peons HAVE to intermix?
"Israel" is the most racist place on Earth. "Are you a jew?" "Are you a jew?" That's all you will ever hear there.
Morgan Spurlock, of Super Size Me fame, learns how goys get treated in "Israel" - Video
"Tell your asshole son to stop supporting drone warfare"
And Israel, sanctions, et al. Rand is a neocon with a 10 pt higher IQ than Ted Cruz.
www.TopTheNews.com
I totally disagree.He's got at least 11 higher.
look if any crime was committed you can bet Holder's DOJ would be on it like white on rice.
I prefer "flies on shit" as a literary device when referring to that slug.
The Senate (Including Rand Paul) Vote to Extend $9 Billion in Loan Guarantees for the Benefit of Israel
"Have you heard about the the 'United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012'? It was introduced by Senator Barbara Boxer on 3/6/12 with 71 Cosponsors."
"The U.S. Senate passed their version on Friday June 29, 2012. Known in the Senate as S.2165, the measure guaranteed an astonishing $9 billion dollars in loans to Israel (plus all fees and interest!) in addition to giving 'military assistance- stockpiles of defense articles' valued at $200 million for 2013 and $200 million for 2014."
"Confirming Rand Paul's support of this bill was Senator Johnny Isakson of Georgia, who said 'I am very pleased that this important piece of legislation passed quickly and unanimously in the Senate today, demonstrating the United States' strong, unwavering commitment to Israel and its security and self-defense.'"
Maybe Rand is playing a stragety to get his foot in the door. Agree with them then fuck them...
Too rosy of a picture for me. Do what I do: Distrust all politicians equally untill their deeds actually outweigh their words.
agreed....his position on Putin/Russia is just plain wrong.
He must be getting tips from my Sen. and Rep., and not just the current ones.
I don't think it is accurate to call what goes on today drone "warfare". All things considered, who in politics today would you support if not the son of Ron? I suppose you aren't going to run yourself so who else is there?
I think you answered your own questions. Some of us have moved past thinking this system is suitable for liberty.
pods
OT: get your Au and Ag orders in, shits on fire sale tonight.
What the heck is going on with gold today and tonight. Sure seems the boyz are working feverishly. Maybe they are dumping the Ukrainian gold.
Hey Fuckstein, go FUCK yourself.
She already has, when she sold her soul to Satan.
That piece of lying, self-serving, hypocritical piece of dogshit gives dogshit a bad name.
How does she keep getting elected? Did the corpses in Chicago register as dual citizens?
Man, miss seeing your comments here. Hope to see more.
She had a soul? I don't believe that for a second.
You didn't get the memo? You can't talk about souls and Satan because that implies there is a God. It upsets the if-we-just-elected-the-right-guy crowd.
That same crowd is quite effective in remaking the world in mans image.
Pathetically short term decisions coupled with a good helping of greed, and topped off with blaming the inevitable failure on everything and everyone else. ( including weather).
What a mess..
No turnaround is in the offing for DiFi. She's upset that she didn't get her "exemption," just like the unions. She will respond just like the unions have.
LMAO
A long time ago somebody asked "Why should US senators and US congressman get better medical insurance than the little people"
The answer of course was that "Some pigs are more equal than others".
I wish our "AIPAC" leaders , would just do away with WASH-DC, then we could just watch TV and see Tel-Aviv 24/7 like Truman-Show.
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All politicians KNOW they are being spied on, and they're all spying on each other, the situation here is that US senate was trying to spy on the CIA, and the CIA was spying on the Senate Spy's. The outrage here is that NSA/CIA has a 'monopoly' on SPYING, and the US Senate doesn't see it that way.
For mortals on earth, its best to just stay back and watch at a distance.
"For mortals on earth, its best to just stay back and watch at a distance."
Bullshit. That's how we got into this mess in the first place. Better we start showing some muscle with our voices before we have to start resorting to lead and ropes.
"Better we start showing some muscle with our voices before we have to start resorting to lead and ropes."
Enough time, money, and lives have already been squandered.
It's already well past lead and rope time dammit.
Feinstein and the rest of the pigs should have been converted into bacon strips years ago.
Point taken. But why did you have to go and ruin bacon for me...
You really don't get it do you? What are you going to do?
The US senate has its own private police force, called the 'capital police' trained snipers, with one mission, to protect SENATOR ASS.
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remember navy yard shooting? they were training at the site, they wanted to take the 'shooter' down, they were ordered by command "STAND DOWN", .. why? Because resources, most resources in WASH-DC are only in place to protect POLITICIANS.
Little-People don't mean shit,... and they never have in the USA, even going back to the Civil-War or earlier.
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You can't take ameriKKKa back, to what it NEVER WAS? Compeche?
Ron Paul is the best preident that we never had.
That or an impotent, doddering old fool who tried his best but is sadly past his prime.......
(I'm feeling a bit frisky today, bitchez. You know how I really feel about the good doctor)
Ineffective and/or controlled and/or faux opposition figures are not true opposition but frauds of the most eggregious and detestable sort.
CrazyCat, Your just hopped up on that comment that got 145 upvotes today.
Kudos on the timing and delivery! :)
"The people’s branch of government must stand up for the people"
Teddy put a stop to all of that nonsense almost a century ago. Don't get any ideas.
Feinstein is an owned bitch.
You just insulted true bitches around the world, William. Shame.
its cause shits going down in oct. scoped out a taller hill in the knob country last weekend. might not be enough, but its all i got. sucks to be us right now
Ron, I love you man but Dianne Cuntstain couldn't care less about us peasants. She is a dirty whore who needs to hang from a lamp post
Prefer sandpapering her wrinkly skin off n burying her in salt up to her neck.
The mere sight of that ugly whore makes me want to vomit -same goes for pelosi, Boehner and especially McCain.
Please Stop referring to them as Government. Refer to them in their proper form: The Criminal UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. Much like the Criminal Federal Reserve uses "Federal" in their name to make it seem as there're a branch of the "Government" when they are not.
The Criminal UNITED STATES, CORP. INC uses the name "Federal" in their name to make it seem as though they are a legitimate, functioning Government by the people & for the people when they are not.
It's a Criminal Chartered Corp. functioning under UCC Commercial Code.
Important point. Check out the frilled flags in the courthouses, schools, e.t.c. Right in your face like the chemtrails.
The problem with the Z/H crowd is they are not watching enough T.V. Not getting their vaccines. Not consuming enough brain damaging chemicals in their food. They do too much thinking. In fact that kind of independent behavior threatens the legitimate power monopoly of the State who is already doing your thinking for you. Let the apparition George Soros plan your future.
Well.....I think that some of Z/H posters actually do like "business" part of her sorry existance.
Her "$" bag looks good and helps somebody's "portfolios" too.
Remember: "It's nobody's business HOW somebody makes money in US"?
everyone holding any political office is a civil "servant", meaning they are accountable to the citizens - not the other way around. everything they do should be completely transparent and not cloaked under the guise of civil privilege. we would do a huge service by remembering that fact while we still can...
OH! HA! HA! HA! Please your fucking killing me.
By most standards they can hardly be considered human beings let alone decent human beings.
Another fading ideologist clinging to the notion that change can come from within.
Our current "government" is illegitimate in about 1,000 different ways, yet the politicians keep running their mouths off for posterity.
Until mass resignations happen these Senators and Representatives are fucking useless.
Exactly. It's like dry humping. At first you think it might get you somewhere, but in the end your dick just hurts.
LOL, precisely.
I don't think so, I think Ron awakens many who are asleep, (step 1), and those awake drives them to your conclusion (step 2).
I awoke myself without the help of a greaseball politician. Both Pauls have served under two regimes led by war criminals, yet neither Rand nor Paul have the guts to call them out for it.
That's called cowardice.
Voluntary resignations? Ir don't work that way. Never has. We need a little rope-a-dope. Milestones
The standard BS, Dianne, is that if you have nothing to hide...hypocrite.
Everyday it becomes more clear that the US is a fascist, police state run by the Pentagon/CIA/NSA mafia and Obama is just as complicit in these continuing violations of the constitution:
The speech delivered Tuesday on the Senate floor by Senator Dianne Feinstein provides clear and direct evidence of crimes against the US Constitution and the democratic rights of the American people, implicating top officials of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the White House, up to and including the president. Feinstein’s allegations of CIA intimidation, obstruction and spying on the Senate Intelligence Committee, which she chairs, constitute “high crimes and misdemeanors,” the constitutional basis for impeachment.
Feinstein has longstanding and close ties to the intelligence agencies, which she has categorically defended throughout the months of exposures of illegal spying by the National Security Agency. Yet on Tuesday she gave an hour-long speech in which she charged the CIA with spying on and withholding documents from Congress as part of an attempted cover-up of the program of torture the agency carried out under President George W. Bush.
In the course of her remarks, she provided a detailed narrative of the CIA’s criminal actions, including the attempt by CIA Director John Brennan to intimidate the Senate Intelligence Committee and derail its investigation into the Bush-era crimes by accusing committee staffers of stealing classified documents and demanding that the Justice Department launch a criminal investigation. (Brennan, as director of counter-terrorism under Bush, is implicated in the torture program.)
The portrait that emerges is of an intelligence agency that operates outside of all legal constraints, rejects any genuine congressional oversight, and functions as a law unto itself.
The haste with which the US media has moved to bury Feinstein’s remarks—which it has generally ascribed to a mere “turf war” between the Senate and the CIA—is itself an indication of the fundamental nature of the crimes outlined by the senator and the complicity of the corporate-controlled media in those crimes.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/03/14/pers-m14.html
Impeach
Arrest
Tri
Convict
&
Execute.
Dear Criminal Breanan & Criminal CIA,
dying times here. Tick toc, tick toc.....
You bring a basket, I'll bring the guillotine. Who can bring popcorn, beer...?
I'm on it!
Bollocks to that. Sandpaper their skin off n bury em salt.
My sentiments exactly! They are so fucking trigger happy for all those "brown" people in the middle east. They need a dose of their own medicine, and that would stop this shit dead in its tracks! Public shame for every single one of them and after conviction, public executions televised for the entire world to watch. Then and only then will shit start to change.
FUCK YOU FEINSTEIN! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU GUILTY FUCKS NEED A HOLE IN YOUR FUCKING HEAD YOU FUCKING CUNTS! CAN I SAY FUCK ONCE MORE? OH YEAH YOU FUCKING TOO BERNANKE!
Feinstein and Rogers are co-conspirators with the NSA in violating our rights guaranteed under the Constitution, while acting under the color of law. This is both a criminal and civil litigation issue. If Rand Paul or another would make this a campaign issue, there might be help for our republic. This is the real civil rights issue of the 2010's. All the laws are in place, only the courage to use them and campaign on them appear lacking.
"A Republic, if you can keep it" ~ Franklin. Who can awake a government-trained obedient sheeple?
Why does the line from Full Metal Jacket come to mind: "From now on, whenever private Pyle FUCKS UP, I will not punish him...I will punish all of YOU"
It's because you just read the article on the Panopticon.
Don't count on any help from Frankenstein. I complained to her about the phoney 50, the 50 acts of terror the NSA spying supposedly thwarted. When the list was revealed as a fraud I wrote to her with a request she stop lying to her constituents. I was amazed at her response, again defending the 50 acts as if she didn't even regard my comments.
Leave Frankenstein alone. He was the unwilling product of an experiment gone bad.
Feinstein on the other hand is the product of her own self serving and corrupted nature.
But I agree with your comment and experience with the senator. She is what she is.
Just be grateful you are not married or related to her.
And I ask you all.......if it's good enough for all other Americans to be sending their sons and daughters to Iraq and Afghanistan, why isn't it OK for the senators to also send their sons and grandsons, daughters and grand daughters as well?
It aint me no... It aint me... I aint no senators son no.
CCR
It's a grievous sin and an insult to treat the farmer the same way as the livestock.
I don't know when the Young Americas get out of their Bud + PlayStation and ask their Congressman what the FUCK are you doing about my Privacy. Hopefully not before our Constitution been Burried along with our Ramnent of Liberty!!
it's a generation in apotropaic denial
How do these people even exist in their own skin?
Abenomics aside, at least the Japanese still carry out Hari Kari, and old war criminals still occasionally insert a round into their grey matter...but...American kikes...are beyond shameless, despicable, rotten-to-the-fucking-core cowards.
I don't know how these hypocrites, sadducees, and pharisees actually live with themselves, within their own skins and within their own minds.
My hands may get dirty, but my soul stays clean. Does that mean I've never screwed up? I have, but my mistakes get dealt with internally until I have made peace with myself and in the public sphere or privately when I have wronged my loved ones, I (no matter how begrudging or difficult it is) always have and always will admit and own up to my mistakes. I have always wrighted my wrongs and always made recompense for any damage I have caused.
These bastards need to learn the meaning of atonement. They need to come clean. These soulless fucks KNOW the damage they have wrought, and it is time their soulds are cleansed whether they do it themselves or if others have to do it for them...
Sounds like you are working a solid program.
It works if you work it, It really does.
Bingo! Milestones
Their idea of atonement is to cover one layer of dirt with another layer of dirt.
Nothing works better than the fear of God...
Answer: They want to know who and how may have figured out that they are nothing more than a syndicate of thieving and murdering criminals that must wage war against us, treason, to maintain themselves.
“My guillotine likes ‘Hunger Games’.”
An observed man is not a free man........
He is....as long as the .gov says he is...and really, really means it....and says so in speeches and such.
It's not an attitude, laws don't apply to people who are supposedly our civil servants... Who's serving who?
If Senator Feinstein's staffers had illegal possession of top secret documents, indict the staffers. Let America's kangaroo court system handle the intelligence matter. The prosecution can give the staffers a plea deal, turn state's evidence against Feinstein and they get a pass.
Things are not bad enough for many people to really upset. In time ...
I dont think Diane Frankenstein is hypocrtical. Her behavior is typical of the elites and that betrays a much deeper problem. She obviously sincerely believe that she and her elite collagues are above the rest of us and they desrve to be treated differently. They are there to rule, not to be ruled. Therefore they relate to the rest of us like human relate to cattles.
That midget Mel Gibson sure has a foul temper on the phone.....
Let’s hope that Sen. Feinstein has had her wake-up call and will now finally start defending the rest of us against a government that increasingly sees us as the enemy.
Never gonna fucking happen, unless the NSA is totally dismantled and gotten rid of. They are way outta control and purposefully trampling the bill of rights and the constitution! Feinstein needs to be hung along with the rest of this fucking criminal administration. FUCK THEM ALL!
The colonials had Adams, Franklin, Washington, Paine, Jefferson...
We have Feinstein, the golfing Kenyan, McCain, Holder, Mr. Ed...
They had geniuses, and we have profoundly corrupt two-digit IQs.
We voted these cocksuckers into office, and we are responsible.
"A republic, if you can keep it."
Where is AKAK?
I heard he had a hissy fit because he did not like the opinions of some ZH'ers supporting Putin. So he left the site.
Freedom of speech was too much for him I guess?
OK, if that is what he did then it was his choice. I only want to know what happened. Facts are good.
Let’s hope that Sen. Feinstein has had her wake-up call and will now finally start defending the rest of us against a government that increasingly sees us as the enemy.
I hate to pile-on but WTF.
The problem with hope is... when the Day is truly lost (and it is), it becomes the perpetuator of despair of the soul.
In what way is Feinstein not the poster girl for Marie Antoinette and the Noble class around her?
This is not some unconscious accident on her part, which can be revisited and corrected.
She is distinctly aware there are Rights and Justice for Nobility and the Political Donor Class, and whatever crumbs of it which fall to the ground, are for the Under-Class masses to fight over.
The Decision was passed without debate, nor vote. And it is final.
The longer hope remains, the longer We will wait and do nothing about it.
Right now, today, We need to understand that We are the ones we are waiting for.
Diane Feinstein was born on June 22, 1933.
She is 80 years old. Be nice to her, she doesn't have much time left on earth and it is not good to be unkind towards another human being.
Unkind words that hurt should never be used, they always do more harm than good.
Just remember that the next time you have something to say, always make it something good.
There is a place on this earth for Senator Feinstein, but that place hasn't been dug yet.
We can all say something nice about her when that time comes.
Until, then, she can go straight to hell.
Great post, but you could have gone further. Why not make the CIA answerable to the American public and task them with spying on politicians to make sure they do not cheat, lie and steal like the current bunch do.
Could/nt agree more Three years of "Public Service" during which your appointment schedules and bank accounts are online for your constitutents access.
The ghost of Dan White smiles.
She's happy to have a guard dog. As long as it shits in the neighbor's yard.
This is a window into the night of long knives. The NSA is going after the CIA. The fun starts when the bodies start to pile up.
"The hypocrisy of Sen. Feinstein is astounding." Awww, c'mon. This is the same miserable scrunt that lectures all of us on gun control, all while insisting on her very own CCW permit in San Francisco. Fuck her.
One of my biggest concerns about the NSA spying on Americans centered on how much was being spent. It recently came out thanks to information leaked by Edward Snowden that the "black budget" last year was a massive 52 billion dollars. This is the money used in "secret" spy operations.
This sends shivers down the back of those that have read about the totalitarian society of Oceania described in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In Orwell's novel, all citizens of Oceania are monitored by cameras and are fed fabricated news stories by the government. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/09/are-we-creating-orwellian-society...
Demonstein. Seriously. Musn't forget that evil still exists, and it is incarnate.
Also, there is evidently trouble in paradise.
The Neocons and the Liberal Progressives are both ensconced, but now cannot agree on the way forward. So they start to feed on one another.
Kind of like when the Fed was created. I guess Feinstein learned from the masters.
If you caught the episode of 60 Minutes last Sunday, you also saw Dianne Feinstein ramping up efforts for government regulation and control of privately owned drones for personal use. Of course, she’s all in favor of the government using them for anything they can dream up. Because, you see, she just has to watch out for us all.
Dianne Feinstein = Big Mother (or is that Big Motha?).