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Did Missing Flight MH370 Land In The Maldives Or Diego Garcia: The Full Updated Summary

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Well over a week after the disappearance of flight MH370 - which now is the longest official disappearance of a modern jet in aviation history - with no official trace of the missing plane yet revealed, the investigation, which as we reported over the weekend has focused on the pilots and specifically on Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, earlier today revealed that on his home-made flight simulator had been loaded five Indian Ocean practice runways, among which those of Male in the Maldives, that of the US owned base at Sergio Garcia, as well as other runways in India and Sri Lanka - all notable runways as all are possible landing spots based on the flight's potential trajectories. The Malay Mail Online reported, "The simulation programmes are based on runways at the Male International Airport in Maldives, an airport owned by the United States (Diego Garcia), and three other runways in India and Sri Lanka, all have runway lengths of 1,000 metres."

“We are not discounting the possibility that the plane landed on a runway that might not be heavily monitored, in addition to the theories that the plane landed on sea, in the hills, or in an open space,” the source was quoted as saying.

At this point the facts in the case are about as sketchy as any "data" on US Treasury holdings, but here is what was said on the record:

"Although Malay Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein denied yesterday that the plane had landed at US military base Diego Garcia, the source told the daily that this possibility will still be investigated based on the data found in Zaharie’s flight simulator software. The police had seized the flight simulator from the 53-year-old pilot’s house in Shah Alam on Saturday and reassembled it at the police headquarters where experts are conducting checks."

Previous reports indicated that the plane flew towards Checkpoint Gival, south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another checkpoint, Igrex, used for route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.

Still, the Maldives news is of particular note since earlier today, Haaveru Online, quoted locals who said they had seen a "low flying jet" whose description is approximate to what flight MH370 looked like. From the source:

Whilst the disappearance of the Boeing 777 jet, carrying 239 passengers has left the whole world in bewilderment, several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo told Haveeru on Tuesday that they saw a "low flying jumbo jet" at around 6:15am on March 8.

 

They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which is what the Malaysia Airlines flights typically look like.

 

Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.

 

"I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly," said an eyewitness.

 

"It's not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too."

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A local aviation expert told Haveeru that it is "likely" for MH370 to have flown over the Maldives. The possibility of any aircraft flying over the island at the reported time is extremely low, the expert added.

So did the pilot hijack the plane, reprogram the flight path, turn off the transponder, and fly low above the surface and below radar all the way to the Maldives, or alternatively, US airbase, Diego Garcia, where Captain Shah promptly offloaded 20+ tons of still unknown cargo? Some experts opine on just this, by way of the Telegraph:

If the Maldive lead turns out to be a strong one, then the next question is: could the plane conceivably have flown to Somalia? Or somewhere in the southern Arabian peninsula or Iran? Somalia seems a much more likely destination for a hijacker with its known al-Qaeda connections.

And this:

Kaminski Morrow adds:

- The plane, a Boeing 777-200, was capable of travelling as far as the Maldives

 

- Male is the main airport but the sighting appears to have come from an atoll a long way south

 

- Commercial aircraft-tracking software, while not always reliable, doesn’t seem to show any other nearby traffic with which a sighting might have been confused

 

It is all hugely, hugely tentative - and I wouldn't want to vouch for the newspaper which is the source of this information.

 

But theoretically it could be possible.

 

The vital detail is the fuel; Malaysia Airlines has not said how much fuel was on board, other than to say "enough for the trip to Beijing".

 

Therefore we can't tell if that was enough to loop around and make it back to the Maldives.

So far there have been few firm theories about MH370 having landed on the US airbase in the middle of the Indian Ocean, some 800 miles south of Male in the Maldives.

ABC had this to say:

Theories about what happened to missing Malaysia Flight MH370 now span a 2 million-plus square mile area of open ocean and southeast Asian land, including one mysterious island in the Indian Ocean known as Diego Garcia.

 

While aviation experts and armchair theorists continue to come up with plausible locations, the jet could have landed or crashed. Many theories have included Diego Garcia as a notable landing strip.

 

The island atoll is a British territory in the central Indian Ocean and is home to a United States Navy support facility — not exactly a U.S. base, but a home for 1700 military personnel, 1,500 civilian contractors, and various Naval equipment.

 

The island — named after 16th century Spanish explorer Diego Garcia de Moguer — gained some notoriety in the past 10 years after reports claimed that the U.S. used Diego Garcia to transport and detain alleged terrorists.

Expect the US military to have zero official comments on the matter, and even less if indeed MH370 landed there, or merely used the base as a transit stop on its route further west, potentially to Africa.

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There are other theories of course, some of which involve none other than such aviation experts as US politicians.

Michael McCaul, a Republican congressman from Texas, who chairs the House Homeland Security Committee, said that the plane may have actually landed and could be used by terrorist groups.

 

John Cornyn, a senator from Texas, helpfully tweeted a link to possible runways where the plane could have landed.

 

Peter King, a Republican congressman representing New York, suggests the Chinese have doctored some of their satellite images to hide the sophistication of their systems.

 

But Mr King said he was not aware of terrorist "chatter". He said on This Week:

 

QuoteNo, there's been no terrorist connections whatsoever. There's been no terrorist chatter. There's nothing out there indicating it's terrorists. Doesn't mean it's not, but so far nothing has been picked up by the intelligence community from Day One.

 

I still have questions about the two Iranians who were on the plane, but again, that could be a side issue. The fact is nothing has come up indicating a terrorist nexus.

Going back to what is known, here is a full and updated timeline of all events that took place, by way of BBC:

The search operation is now concentrating on huge areas to the north and south of Malaysia, after locational 'pings' detected by a satellite appeared to indicate the plane was somewhere on an arc stretching either north up to to Central Asia, or south, to the Indian Ocean and Australia.

 

Evidence revealed on Saturday 15 March by the Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak suggested the jet was deliberately diverted by someone on board about an hour after takeoff.

When was the last contact made?

Graphic: How planes can be tracked

 

Flight MH370 departed from Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 00:41 on Saturday (16:41 GMT Friday), and was due to arrive in Beijing at 06:30 (22:30 GMT).

 

Malaysia Airlines says the plane lost contact less than an hour after takeoff.

 

No distress signal or message was sent.

 

The ACARS - a service that allows computers aboard the plane to "talk" to computers on the ground - was silenced some time after 01:07 as the plane crossed Malaysia's east coast.

 

At about 01:19 the co-pilot was heard to say: "All right, good night".

 

The plane's transponder, which communicates with ground radar, was shut down soon after this final communication, as the aircraft crossed from Malaysian air traffic control into Vietnamese airspace over the South China Sea.

 

At 01:37 the next ACARS transmission was due, but never sent.

Graphic: Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER
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What happened next?

The plane's planned route would have taken it north-eastwards, over Cambodia and Vietnam, and the initial search focused on the South China Sea, south of Vietnam's Ca Mau peninsula.

 

But evidence from a military radar, revealed later, suggested the plane had suddenly changed from its northerly course to head west. So the search, involving dozens of ships and planes, then switched to the sea west of Malaysia.

 

MH370's last communication with a satellite, disclosed a week after the plane's disappearance, suggested the jet was in one of two flight corridors, one stretching north between Thailand and Kazakhstan, the other south between Indonesia and the southern Indian Ocean.

 

The timing of the last confirmed communication with a satellite was 08:11 (00:11 GMT), meaning that the Boeing continued flying for nearly seven hours after contact with air traffic control was lost.

 

Investigators are making further calculations to establish how far the plane might have flown after the last point of contact.line break

 

Who was on board?

Arni Marlina, 36, a family member of a passenger onboard Flight MH370, shows a family picture on her mobile phone, at a hotel in Putrajaya, Malaysia, 9 March Muhammad Razahan Zamani (bottom right), 24, and his wife Norli Akmar Hamid, 33, were on their honeymoon on the missing flight. The phone is being held by his stepsister, Arni Marlina

The 12 crew members were all Malaysian, led by pilots Captain Zaharie Ahmed Shah, 53 and 27-year-old co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid.

 

Police have searched their homes and a flight simulator has been taken from the captain's home and reassembled for examination at police headquarters.

 

It is now believed that co-pilot Hamid spoke the last words heard from the plane, "All right, good night" - but it it not clear whether this was before or after the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) had been deliberately switched off.

 

There were 227 passengers, including 153 Chinese and 38 Malaysians, according to the manifest. Seven were children.

 

Other passengers came from Iran, the US, Canada, Indonesia, Australia, India, France, New Zealand, Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan and the Netherlands.

 

Among the Chinese nationals were a delegation of 19 prominent artists who had attended an exhibition in Kuala Lumpur.

 

With so many of their nationals aboard, the Chinese Government has been very involved in the search, expressing barely-concealed frustration with the lack of progress.

 

Malaysia Airlines said there were four passengers who checked in for the flight but did not show up at the airport.

 

Malaysia plane: Who were the passengers?

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Could it have been a terrorist attack?

Malaysian PM Najib Razak, 15 March 2014The plane was deliberately diverted, the Malaysian PM told a news conference

The aircraft's change of direction was consistent with "deliberate action on the plane", the Malaysian authorities said.

 

But it remains unclear whether the course change was carried out by the air crew or flight-trained hijackers onboard.

 

So far no known or credible terror group has emerged to claim responsibility.

 

Initial investigations concentrated on two passengers found to be travelling on stolen passports.

 

The two Iranian men - 19-year-old Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad and Delavar Seyed Mohammadreza, 29 - were later found to headed for Europe via Beijing, and had no apparent links to terrorist groups.

Other theories for a crash

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER taking off from Narita Airport near Tokyo, Japan, April 2013A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER taking off from Narita Airport near Tokyo, Japan, last year

Some initial theories suggested that the aircraft could have suffered a disastrous mid-air decompression, but Malaysian authorities say they are now almost entirely focused on the actions of the crew.

 

Captain Zaharie Ahmed Shah, who had more than 18,000 flying hours behind him, had been employed by the airline since 1981.

 

Weather conditions for this flight were good.

 

Malaysia Airlines has a good safety record and the jet, a Boeing 777-200ER, is said to be one of the safest because of its modern technology.

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Finally, for those who still have lingering questions, here also from the BBC, is a compendium of 10 theories attempting to explain the fate of the missing airliner.

1. Landed in the Andaman Islands

The plane was apparently at one stage heading in the direction of India's Andaman and Nicobar Islands, the most easterly part of Indian territory, which lies between Indonesia and the coast of Thailand and Burma. It has been reported that military radar there might not even have been operating, as the threat level is generally perceived to be low.

The editor of the islands' Andaman Chronicle newspaper dismisses the notion that the aircraft could be there. There are four airstrips but planes landing would be spotted, he told CNN. He also believed monitoring by the Indian military would prevent an airliner being able to land there unnoticed. But this is an isolated spot. There are more than 570 islands, only 36 of which are inhabited. If the plane had been stolen, this might be the best place to land it secretly, says Steve Buzdygan, a former BA 777 pilot. It would be difficult, but not impossible, to land on the beach, he says. At least 5,000ft (1500m) or so would make a long enough strip to land on.

It would be theoretically possible but extremely difficult. With such a heavy aeroplane, using the landing gear might lead to the wheels digging into the sand and sections of undercarriage being ripped off. "If I was landing on a beach I would keep the wheels up," says Buzdygan. But in this type of crash landing, the danger would also be damage to the wings, which are full of fuel, causing an explosion. Even if landed safely, it is unlikely the plane would be able to take off again.

2. Flew to Kazakhstan

The Central Asian republic is at the far end of the northern search corridor, so the plane could hypothetically have landed there. Light aircraft pilot Sylvia Wrigley, author of Why Planes Crash, says landing in a desert might be possible and certainly more likely than landing on a beach somewhere. "To pull this off, you are looking at landing in an incredibly isolated area," says Wrigley. The failure so far to release a cargo manifest has created wild rumours about a valuable load that could be a motive for hijacking. There has also been speculation that some of those on board were billionaires.

But the plane would have been detected, the Kazakh Civil Aviation Committee said in a detailed statement sent to Reuters. And there's an even more obvious problem. The plane would have had to cross the airspace of countries like India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, which are all usually in a high state of military preparedness. But it's just possible that there are weak links in the radar systems of some of the countries en route to Central Asia, Wrigley speculates. "A lot of air traffic control gear is old. They might be used to getting false positives from flocks of birds and, therefore, it would be easy to discount it."

3. It flew south

The final satellite "ping" suggests the plane was still operational for at least five or six hours after leaving Malaysian radar range. For Norman Shanks, former head of group security at airports group BAA, and professor of aviation security at Coventry University, the search should therefore start from the extremes of the corridors and work up, rather than the other way around. He thinks the southern corridor is more likely for a plane that has so far avoided detection by radar.

The southern arc leads to the huge open spaces of the Indian Ocean, and then to Australia's empty northern hinterland. Without knowing the motive, it is hard to speculate where the plane's final destination was intended to be. But the plane may just have carried on until it ran out of fuel and then glided and crashed into the sea somewhere north of Australia.

4. Taklamakan Desert, north-west China

There has been speculation on forums that the plane could have been commandeered by China's Uighur Muslim separatists. Out of the plane's 239 passengers, 153 were Chinese citizens. One possible destination in this theory would be China's Taklamakan Desert. The region - described by Encyclopaedia Britannica as a "great desert of Central Asia and one of the largest sandy deserts in the world" - has no shortage of space far from prying eyes. The BBC's Jonah Fisher tweeted on 15 March: "Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border."

But again, this theory rests on an extraordinary run through the radar systems of several countries.

5. It was flown towards Langkawi island because of a fire or other malfunction

The loss of transponders and communications could be explained by a fire, aviation blogger Chris Goodfellow has suggested. The left turn that the plane made, deviating from the route to Beijing, could have been a bid to reach safety, he argues. "This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport." He aimed to avoid crashing into a city or high ridges, Goodfellow argues. "Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000ft (4,000m) strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lumpur because he knew he had 8,000ft ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance." In this theory it would be assumed that the airliner did not make it to Langkawi and crashed into the sea.

But Goodfellow's theory has been disputed. If the course was changed during a major emergency, one might expect it to be done using manual control. But the left turn was the result of someone in the cockpit typing "seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials", the New York Times reported. The paper says this "has reinforced the belief of investigators - first voiced by Malaysian officials - that the plane was deliberately diverted and that foul play was involved."

6. The plane is in Pakistan

Media tycoon Rupert Murdoch has tweeted: "World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden." But Pakistan has strenuously denied that this would be possible. The country's assistant to the prime minister on aviation, Shujaat Azeem, has been reported as saying: "Pakistan's civil aviation radars never spotted this jet, so how it could be hidden somewhere in Pakistan?" Like the Kazakhstan theory, this all seems far-fetched, not least because the junction between Indian and Pakistani air space is one of the most watched sectors in the world by military radar. And despite the remoteness and lawlessness of northern Pakistan, the region is watched closely by satellites and drones. It seems scarcely believable to think an airliner could get there unspotted.

7. The plane hid in the shadow of another airliner

Aviation blogger Keith Ledgerwood believes the missing plane hid in the radar shadow of Singapore Airlines flight 68. The Singaporean airliner was in the same vicinity as the Malaysian plane, he argues. "It became apparent as I inspected SIA68's flight path history that MH370 had manoeuvred itself directly behind SIA68 at approximately 18:00UTC and over the next 15 minutes had been following SIA68." He believes that the Singaporean airliner would have disguised the missing plane from radar controllers on the ground. "It is my belief that MH370 likely flew in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan airspace. As MH370 was flying 'dark' without a transponder, SIA68 would have had no knowledge that MH370 was anywhere around, and as it entered Indian airspace, it would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens." The Singapore Airlines plane flew on to Spain. The Malaysian jet could have branched off. "There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xinjiang, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan," Ledgerwood argues.

Prof Hugh Griffiths, radar expert at University College London, says it sounds feasible. But there is a difference between military and civilian radar. Civilian radar works by means of a transponder carried by the aircraft - a system known as secondary radar. The military use primary radar and this "ought to be higher resolution". So how close would the two planes need to be? He estimates about 1000m (3300ft). It is possible military radar would be able to pick up that there were two objects, he says. "It might be able to tell the difference, to know that there are two targets." If this happens, though, there's then the question of how this is interpreted on the ground. Is it a strange echo that would be discounted? When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941, although the US radar operator detected the incoming aircraft, they were dismissed as US bombers arriving from the mainland.

8. There was a struggle

One of the hardest things to account for so far with an innocent explanation is the way the plane was flown erratically. It went far above its "ceiling", flying at 45,000ft (13,716m) before later flying very low. Big fluctuations in altitude suggest there might have been a struggle, says Buzdygan. Post-9/11, cockpit doors have been strengthened against the possibility of hijack but there are still scenarios where access could be gained. Pilots talk to each other "over a beer" about how they'd deal with hijackers, he says. Buzdygan would have had no qualms about flying aggressively to try to resist a hijack. "I'd try to disorientate and confuse the hijackers by throwing them around," he says.

9. The passengers were deliberately killed by decompression

Another theory circulating is that the plane was taken up to 45,000ft to kill the passengers quickly, former RAF navigator Sean Maffett says. The supposed motive for this might have been primarily to stop the passengers using mobile phones, once the plane descended to a much lower altitude. At 45,000ft, the Boeing 777 is way above its normal operating height. And it is possible to depressurise the cabin, notes Maffett. Oxygen masks would automatically deploy. They would run out after 12-15 minutes. The passengers - as with carbon monoxide poisoning - would slip into unconsciousness and die, he argues. But whoever was in control of the plane would also perish in this scenario, unless they had access to some other form of oxygen supply.

10. The plane will take off again to be used in a terrorist attack

One of the more outlandish theories is that the plane has been stolen by terrorists to commit a 9/11 style atrocity. It has been landed safely, hidden or camouflaged, will be refuelled and fitted with a new transponder before taking off to attack a city. It would be very hard to land a plane, hide it and then take off again, Maffett suggested. But it can't be ruled out. "We are now at stage where very, very difficult things have to be considered as all sensible options seem to have dropped off," he says. It is not clear even whether a plane could be refitted with a new transponder and given a totally new identity in this way, he says. Others would say that while it is just about feasible the plane could be landed in secret, it is unlikely it would be in a fit state to take off again.

The even more far-fetched

Many of the above theories might seem far-fetched but there are even more outlandish-sounding ones out there.

If the plane had flown up the northern corridor, experts maintain it would probably have triggered primary radar. Key countries whose airspace it might have crossed are Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, or Thailand. After 9/11, an unidentified airliner entering sovereign airspace is likely to lead to fighters being scrambled, says Maffett. "If the plane is in the northern arc it could easily have been shot down." It's a theory circulating on some forums. The notion is that no-one would want to admit shooting down an airliner full of passengers, Maffett says, and thus might currently be concealing the event.

But there are a host of holes in the theory. Firstly, the plane would still have had to avoid numerous radar systems before finally triggering one. And the nation responsible would be trying to keep secret the fate of the world's currently most-searched for object. Covering up the incident for so long would arguably make the shooting down look far worse.

A completely different thread of conspiracy theory assumes a sympathetic regime. The scepticism about flying undetected through radar changes somewhat if the hijackers are in cahoots with a country's government. There are several authoritarian regimes within the aircraft's range, but the conspiracy theory doesn't even require a government's co-operation - the hijackers could just be in cahoots with radar operators. Again, this seems to be a conspiracy of incredible complexity to be kept secret for this length of time. And what would the motive be for those colluding?

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Motive? We don't know. But then again, neither we nor anyone else appears to have seen the full cargo manifest yet, which as we said early last week may hold all the answers, and frankly we find it surprising that in a case of such magnitude this most critical unknown has been largely left untouched by everyone.

 

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Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:03 | 4565321 Overfed
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The real question is where will it reappear, and what will it have on board?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:08 | 4565334 Independent
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Less gold than it had before, kind of like Ukraine, the grab for GOLD is ON

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:10 | 4565340 Boris Alatovkrap
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Where in world is Diego Garcia!?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:12 | 4565348 Independent
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Last time I saw him he was in a Bar in Yucatan having a  DOS XX with some lovely Senioritas

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:16 | 4565371 HarryWanqer
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I saw it fly over my mansion in the Caribbean. I could smell Al-Qaeda was on board. They're probably flying up there still.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:21 | 4565385 bania
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Sergio Garcia is owned by Spain, not the United States.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:25 | 4565404 SilverIsKing
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Diego is his younger brother.  PWNED by the US.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:36 | 4565448 Occident Mortal
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The main suspect has to be Malaysia.

The plane is in Malaysia.

Who controls the search? Who keeps releasing conflicting information? Who keeps denying new information until it becomes untenable?

Who is withholding the cargo manifest?

Malaysia, Malaysia, Malaysia.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:44 | 4565479 Keyser
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I don't think think the Malaysian's are sophisticated enough to put together all the logistics required to pull this off. It has all the earmarks of a US alphabet soup operation. The key is just what was the 20 tons of cargo. If it was gold bullion, then the value of the bounty outweighs the lives of 239 people and a 777... My money is on the plane sitting on the ground in the Maldives. 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:54 | 4565510 quintago
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Diego Garcia? If it came anywhere near there I guarantee you the plane didn't land. If they lost radio contact and were headed towards Diego Garcia without an ability by the US Military to verify who they were or what they were doing there, then the plane was most certainly brought down by US military hardware.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:05 | 4565554 Cacete de Ouro
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The plane landed on Diego Garcia because it was being remotely flown in from a control center on Diego Garcia to land there...

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/diagrams-boeing-patents-anti-t...

"Boeing last week received a US patent for a system that, once activated, removes all control from pilots to automatically return a commercial airliner to a predetermined landing location.

The “uninterruptible” autopilot would be activated – either by pilots, by onboard sensors, or even remotely via radio or satellite links by government agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency, if terrorists attempt to gain control of a flight deck.

Boeing says: "We are constantly studying ways we can enhance the safety, security and effiecency of the world's airline fleet."

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:17 | 4565598 Big Corked Boots
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I have no idea what happened to the flight, but I do know one thing:

The line of bullshit the USG and MSM will feed us will be epic.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:08 | 4565754 NoDebt
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Over Macho Grande?

No, I'll never get over Macho Grande.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:43 | 4565890 philipat
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Male is a busy airport open 24/7. Same for  the Indian and SriLankan airports. Diego Garcia is a US/UK Military base favoured by the alphabet soup agencies for quiet chats with disappeared folks. It's not as though nobody would notice a 772 landing.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:17 | 4566015 jbvtme
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is 370 a sandy hoax?  good article.  http://www.tomatobubble.com/id511.html

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:43 | 4566112 johnQpublic
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i was going t post the same link

crazy isnt it?

why would they mourn and have signs in english?

http://www.tomatobubble.com/id511.html

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:20 | 4566233 TahoeBilly2012
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I've read that site before. Those are some interesting suggestions on "stagey-ness" of the mourners no doubt. My problem with theories like this, same as 9-11 (and 9-11 stinks for sure) but how do you get some many bad people to play along?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:10 | 4566588 Four chan
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hopefully no american lives were lost.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:32 | 4566788 GetZeeGold
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Freescale Semiconductor

 

Chinese aircraft stealth technology. Twenty employees on board. Hardware and software in the cargo hold.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

 

Trust no one.

 

 

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/562572-freescale-semiconductor-20-employ...

 

 

The two fake passports found the very first day was a nice touch.

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:37 | 4566611 vie
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Pay them well, with the promise of future jobs if they keep their yap shut, or unfortunate accidents if they don't.  Sandy Hook in particular seemed to be near the East Coast head quarters of the "Church of Satan", along with all the pictures of people throwing devil horns including gramps and one of the people involved was supposedly related to Anton Levy.  Whether or not that was part of the psyop, who knows?  But Satanists apparently get their rocks off on decieving people.  How's that for a church outing?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:44 | 4566785 GetZeeGold
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It's all Skull and Bones to me.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:24 | 4566948 sleigher
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Nah.  That church of satan that was run by anton levay would have a hard time holding a bake sale.  No way were they involved in sandy hook.  

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 04:31 | 4566734 merizobeach
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"how do you get some many bad people to play along?"

Perhaps it helps if many of them speak a common non-English language..  L'chaim!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:46 | 4566311 kchrisc
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I hope someone farted because it's beginning to stink.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:13 | 4566490 IEVI
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Maybe not a hoax, just a huge distraction.

My guess is that whenever people lose interest in the story, that's when we'll find out what really happened to the plane.

This seems like a logical analysis that just isn't as interesting, or as distracting, as all the speculation.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:20 | 4566016 Lore
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If it was carrying drugs, it probably had a full military escort.

...Just kidding! <nervous laugh>

If it was carrying bullion, it probably had a full military escort.

...Just kidding again! <nervous laugh>

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:08 | 4565758 johnQpublic
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on diego garcia with germanys gold

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:23 | 4565795 J S Bach
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C'mon.  By now, everyone with a brain knows it was an alien abduction.

 

They'll all come out of Devil's Tower in Wyoming in a few weeks.

 

D - E - C- Octave Lower C - G

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:36 | 4565869 Stackers
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Classic alien abduction

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:18 | 4566019 Lore
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"Reptilian" = Close Enough

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:16 | 4566014 ramacers
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best explanation i've heard yet. in  jan 2013 germany requested immediate repatriation of gold held by JPM (in vault underground in manhattan) , about 600 tons = 3 trillion , yet to date they only got back 2%. what gives? is this why 11 banker/traders associated with JPM are dead in recent months?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:32 | 4565609 spanish inquisition
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Nice look up. (edit: always check on the sorcha faal. Rather than put in a face saving /sarc, I will out myself on this one as a noob.) I would like to ask a question about what is missing from the news coverage. Anytime there is a disaster the news media is flooded with profiles of Americans lost in plane crashes, boat capsizings, etc. So far, nada...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:44 | 4565672 CheapBastard
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I'm beginning to wonder what was so valuable or dangerous in the cargo as someone mentioned the other day. Gold? Platinum?

Is it possible Elvis was aboard? Michael Jackson? Big Foot? [disguised, of course]

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:02 | 4565956 James-Morrison
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It makes you wonder how invincible our "state" really is.

We are either like "Barney Fife" or masterminds like "Dr. No" or "Ernst Stavro Blofeld".

I don't see any possible middle ground.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:09 | 4565979 Keyser
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Ever since the Belgians became the 3rd largest holder of US paper, I'm thinking Dr Evil has something to do with all these shenanigans. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:12 | 4566356 Quus Ant
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Huffpost headline:  GONE FOREVER? 

What if the plane just disappeared like a fart in the wind? Like a sock in the dryer. 

"When something like this happens that confounds us, we're offended by it, and we're scared by it," said Ric Gillespie, a former U.S. aviation accident investigator who wrote a book about Earhart's still-unsolved 1937 disappearance over the Pacific Ocean. "We had the illusion of control and it's just been shown to us that oh, folks, you know what? A really big airliner can just vanish. And nobody wants to hear that."

 

This isn't 1937.  My god, I can't believe this shit, but I know a lot of people who will. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:48 | 4565692 Cacete de Ouro
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Sorcha Faal is supposedly an Irish nun? WTF? Also known as David Booth apparently. Chicago connection, but not the benefactor Booth of Chicago Booth EMH Fama fame. I was going to say stay with me on this one while I explain, but this is even more complex than the disappearance of MH370.

Over to someone else to explain and a few decades of the rosary

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:54 | 4565719 zerozulu
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If this has any reality, will be another nail in the coffin of US exports (Boeing). Just like US IT hardware suffered after Snowden revelations.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:38 | 4566091 PhysicalRealm
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quintago -- yeah, just like we shot down all those planes on 9/11 (not counting flight 93)?  Riiiight....  IOW, 'we' here can't reliably guess at the US' actions, except there's always a good chance we were in on whatever happened to this plane....

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:55 | 4565517 macholatte
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Truth or Propaganda:

 


Russia “Puzzled” Over Malaysia Airlines “Capture” By US Navy

http://indiandefence.com/threads/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture-by-us-navy.43999/

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:58 | 4565534 Fredo Corleone
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The fragments of this Boeing ship rest at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

Occam's Razor defeats Conspiracy Theory, in this particular case.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:09 | 4565569 McMolotov
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I heard from a giant bunny named Frank that one of the engines landed in Donnie Darko's bedroom.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:25 | 4565823 Bollixed
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The odds of hiding such a large plane beyond the reach of Twitter or Farcebook users is astronomical. Everyone wants the notoriety of being the first one to Tweet or Facepost/Instagram an image of the found plane. Add in doing it as a 'selfie' with the plane in the background and it gets beyond irresistable.

The plane either crashed or is in the hands of some yet undiscovered tribes people who don't have wifi.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:44 | 4565895 DirkDiggler11
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+ 100 McMolotov for the Donie Darko tie-in.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:29 | 4565636 20834A
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FWIW, the only way a suicide would make sense is if the pilot decided to take one last long ride. And he would have had to kill at least the flight crew, because the flight usually lasts 5 hours and 53 minutes. Maybe *whoever* wanted to leave a mystery to ensurea kind of fame?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:20 | 4565792 Dr Benway
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Maybe the person suiciding, in all likelihood the head pilot, didn't want it to be identified as pilot suicide.

In previous pilot suicides, for example Egypt Air 990 or the Silk Air 135, there was such a strong taboo that even Egypt and Indonesia air investigation refused to classify it for what it was.

As it stands, the most likely explanation is pilot suicide. Or alternatively a political stunt gone wrong, pulled by the pilot. Mental illness could also factor in.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 07:31 | 4566852 BigJim
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There are plenty of ways for a pilot to kill himself 'accidentally' without taking a plane load of passengers with him.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:30 | 4566607 Tall Tom
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The fragments of this Boeing ship rest at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. 

Occam's Razor defeats Conspiracy Theory, in this particular case.

 

Fredo Corleone...

 

Since you want to approach this with Occam's Razor I must ask just what EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE do you have for that assessment? Or are you just speculating like everyone else?

 

On the sketchy contradictory evidence which has been presented by the Malaysian Government I cannot make any statement about what has happened.

 

Some speculations carry a lot more weight through plausiblability than others. But it is all speculation at this point.

 

Do not bastardize my science.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 04:41 | 4566746 merizobeach
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"But it is all speculation at this point."

Exactly.  And so when I read in this article about so many writers "believing" it was this or that, I shake my head.  Who could possibly believe any particular conclusion at this point?  Asserting that one "believes" in any specific outcome at this point belies one is either an insider (conspirator), a propagandist, or a fool.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:29 | 4565635 Bastiat
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That makes my head spin.  Needs some support.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:03 | 4565745 Joe Sixpack
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"The Malay Mail Online reported, "The simulation programmes are based on runways at the Male International Airport in Maldives, an airport owned by the United States (Diego Garcia), and three other runways in India and Sri Lanka, all have runway lengths of 1,000 metres." "

 

Does anyone expect this pilot to practice on runways too short for a 777 to land on?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:59 | 4565949 robertocarlos
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I landed an F111 on an aircraft carrier. It was after I completed my bombing mission on Bandar something something Iran. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:19 | 4566228 NeedtoSecede
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Is that you T-Bag?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:05 | 4565968 Matt
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If he was training for possible emergency landings, sure, why not? Better than trying to land in the ocean or on a beach.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:47 | 4566629 Tall Tom
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I would expect that practicing landings on unfamiliar runways from a conscientious and competent Pilot. It is rational and reasonable. You never know when the need to know might present itself.

 

However I would also expect that a Pilot also train for ditching in the Ocean...

 

Both activities serve to increase Piloting skills and competency.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:10 | 4565986 F22
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I landed in Diego Garcia in a C-17 and the runway there can easily handle B-52's and C-5's.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:23 | 4566602 Citxmech
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It was an alternate/emergency field for the Space Shuttle.  Diego Garcia can handle anything that lands.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:40 | 4566619 Tall Tom
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Joe Sixpack wrote, "Does anyone expect this pilot to practice on runways too short for a 777 to land on?"

 

Of course nobody in their right mind will expect a pilot to practice crashing on runways which are too short.

 

Therefore it makes PERFECT SENSE that the pilot will practice landings on runways long enough...like that of Diego Garcia.

 

And you guys criticize JoeSixpack for writing his statement by telling him that Diego Garcia can handle not only Boeing 777s,  but Space Shuttles???

 

HE KNOWS THAT. IT IS OBVIOUS FROM WHAT HE WROTE.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:51 | 4566626 Kirk2NCC1701
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Folks, in case you don't know it, Diego Garcia has a huge US base, used for refueling, reloading, etc.

Safe, warm VERY PRIVATE... far away from prying eyes.  US (DOD) controlled, through and through.  The DOD and NSA guys/gals/gays, and CIA spooks party hearty there. 

Go to maps.google.com and start searching. 

"What happens in DG, stays in DG"

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:20 | 4565806 Ranger4564
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It was probably weapons intended to be smuggled into China for use in blackmailing China into supporting the US in their bid to rid the world of Russia by slowly encircling them. That's what the adventure in Ukraine is partly about... missile bases.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:38 | 4566283 Keyser
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Or perhaps one of the two nukes that went missing from Texas a few months ago was being delivered to China the hard way. Disguise it as cargo, put it on a commercial flight, fly it into Beijing and detonate it. Does anyone on ZH doubt that the bastards which are TPTB would do this to incite WWIII? I know it's tin-foil hat territory, but what kind of "special cargo" would generate this level of deception and intrigue without an explanation?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 07:15 | 4566357 Independent
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That or a biological weapon which ended up killing those two Navy seals guarding the cargo on the Maersk Alabama that was transferred to this plane, as reported by the Russian defense agency, or they died of radiation exposure.  But I buy the nuclear weapon deal.  The US dollar is about done for.  The USA needed to take down one of the big boys.  China has nuclear weapons but not that many,  perhaps USA counted that it could play this off as a terrorist incident and with taking out Beijing like this they would take out the entire communist party and military leadership and neutralize China in one stroke, leaving  the Russians last man standing.  With China gone so are one trillion dollars of US debt to the Chinese, Poof, gone.  Not only that but I am sure the USA would move in to secure Chinas gold reserves suppose to be a trillion dollars or more. With the Koreans and the Japanese and all the military bases around there it could certainly take advantage of the disorder in China once the capital city was wiped off the face of the Earth, let us not forget the Russians are all tied up in the West.  China without its Emperors is done for.  That is why it was the best target.  Taking out the Russians by destroying Moscow would of triggered an all out strike on the USA, the Russians are well decentralized with their military, carry over from the cold war.

 

The Russians warned the Chinese about the cargo and the Chinese had intended to divert the flight.  The USA using the hacking of the flight by wire system diverted the flight to Diego Garcia (they had the hacking set up for just such a contingency situation where if they picked up any info the Chinese might be suspicious or plan to divert the flight they could fly it away.  The will remove the nuclear weapon and then proceed to crash the plane and the either already dead or soon to be dead passengers.

 

Also do not forget America has a habit of bombing Asians with nuclear bombs.

 

Once the Chinese are made servile to the USA then they work again like slaves with their economy run by America, still taking US dollars for their products. Just look at the example of servitude we made out of Japan.  The rest of the Chinese military is turned by us into another fork to stab the underside of the Russian Far East Belly.  With the Chinese controlled by the West the Russians lose the big economy they could of turned to and also their biggest customers for the far east oil and gas they are developing.  Its freaking brilliant.  Gets rid of our biggest creditor and country that threatened with the Russians to crash the dollar, we get to seize some of the biggest gold reserves in the world, we make the Chinese economy subservient to the dollar forever, take away a market for Russias oil and gas which allows us to implode the Russian economy and so on.  My mind is blown away by the chutzpah of the USA but then hey the dual citizens always have chutzpah.

 

Still the biological weapon may still be in the play.  The conversation between the copilot and another airplane said that the voice sounded garbled, what if this biological agent worked a little bit faster than intended.  Biological agent is still a very distinct possibility.  The whole thing is Diabolical but certainly not outside the realm of the JEWISH MAFIA which sacrificed its own people to get worldwide sympathy for a place in the Middle East.

http://indiandefence.com/threads/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-c...

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:55 | 4565936 BigJim
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Nah, those two SEALS were drug addicts:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566772/Respiratory-failure-name...

I mean, look at that junkie Kennedy! Stick thin, covered in sores... obviously a major user.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:22 | 4566035 Independent
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America's finest liquidated by their government to keep them quiet for past missions done at the orders of the dual citizens

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:40 | 4566287 Keyser
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What I want to know is exactly when we became the bad guys? 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:20 | 4566380 Quus Ant
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Depends on who you ask.  Ask a native American and the answer is from day 1.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:57 | 4566566 PhysicalRealm
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QuusAnt said 'Depends on who you ask.  Ask a native American and the answer is from day 1.'

Wish I could give you more than one up arrow for that one.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:20 | 4567142 hot sauce technician
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Funny, because it was actually "native" Americans who hunted to extinction indigenous North American elephants after crossing the Bering strait.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 11:23 | 4567653 Quus Ant
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Comparing humans to elephants is an interesting take. 

Columbus took pains to document the horrors he visited on the "indians" he found in the new world.  It wasn't about

food- but rape, murder, slavery and theft.

 

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 14:35 | 4568760 swiss chick
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+ 1000

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:01 | 4566469 Oxygen
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When we load this plane with radioactive
explosif and we do crash it somewhere
in a big city

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:53 | 4566456 Independent
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I am surprised they didn't die in the fireball before their runaway ship at top speed hit a reef with palm trees on it, wrapping itself around it as it burned beyond recognition.  The drug history would tie in nicely with the drug history of Michael Hastings little accident and his drug use LOL NOT

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:10 | 4565988 salvadordaly
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Just think pirate ships in the air! Except the captain of the flying ship was paid to deliver the goods.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:42 | 4566297 Keyser
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No need for pirates when the airplane will fly itself to where ever you want it to go.

There is a joke about the future aviation crew which will be made up of a pilot and a dog. The pilot is in the cockpit to monitor the systems and the dog is there to bite the pilot in case he touches anything. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:57 | 4565532 Wahooo
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Here's what likely happened: crazy Malaysian pilot was going to crash the jet into the US base in Diego Garcia. The US shot scrambled jets and shot it down, passengers and all. No comment from the U.S.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:49 | 4565699 motorollin
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Why load a flight sim with practice landings for that base then?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:12 | 4565753 Cacete de Ouro
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Another possibility: Shah Alam (the 53 year old pilot) did not like the corrupt Malaysian gov and entrenched lackeys. US Gov approaches Shah Alam and proposes deal where he carries out the plane heist to Diego Garcia, with the Americans promising that this will ultimately discredit the Malaysian government, and will be the most effective way of doing so given that their motives and intended outcomes align with Alam's future dreams for an overthrow of the Malaysian incumbents. Alam thinks about this for a while and then decides to go along with the plan since he is convinced by the handlers that it will be the ultimate sacrifice but will secure a free 'democratic' Malaysia. Little does Alam realize that his handlers are heartless cutouts.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:22 | 4566661 StychoKiller
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It was the CIA, with a tire iron, in the Indian Ocean...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:46 | 4565475 TruthInSunshine
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This plane was secretly diverted to Iran (note the two Iranian passengers on board and the passport monkey business), where the passengers were unloaded and are being held at what they have told is the Four Seasons Tehran, after having all communication and electronic devices seized, and reminded not to stray from the hotel premises or attempt to contact anyone at the quite firm suggestion of their "masked" hosts (who speak broken Farsi, btw), and it is being repainted to look exactly like an El Al Israeli commercial airliner, and outfitted with the most precise & up-to-date Israeli transponders and CommGear (amazing what's available on the black market in street bazaars), and will be fitted with a "nuclear explosive device," and the used to launch an attack on Tel Aviv, whereupon the nuclear device will miraculously fail to detonate by the grace of Moses, yet will be declared an act of open, nuclear aggression upon Israel as perpetuated by Iran by Israel and much of the west, opening the door for full scale military strikes upon Iran.

The chief pilot was a "democracy" activist who opposed the current, intolerant and anti-gay Malaysian Government, so he was the perfect candidate to assist radical Islamists in helping to perpetuate this scheme, FFS.

It's pretty fukkin' obvious this is what's happening, people.

Open your eyes.

Shabot Shalom.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:48 | 4565490 maskone909
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Im skeptical because i think this whole thing suits its purpose being a distraction from geopolitical developments. But who knows i certainly wouldnt write anything off

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:50 | 4565498 TruthInSunshine
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/s

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:51 | 4565506 maskone909
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Sheeeeit now im that guy

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:57 | 4565529 McMolotov
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Use this handy shiiiit button to say it like Clay Davis from The Wire:

http://shiiiit.com/

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:05 | 4565552 maskone909
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Lmfao that will come in handy thx

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:57 | 4566565 Kirk2NCC1701
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As already asked by Yours Truly, in recent days (since I was the first to broke the news in an OT post on ZH on Sat, 03/15/2014 - 03:00 | 4551340), and the host of questions I raised on Mon, 03/17/2014 - 12:13 in 4558971

There are many hard questions to be answered by several authorities.  The most nagging ones that still remain, IMO:

Boeing and US authorities need to answer questions regarding engine signals (real-time vital stats) received at Boeing.  Also, can an on board transmitter (that responds to INMARSAT pings) be hacked/modified with a SW or HW Delay Loop that fools the satellite into thinking that the plane is farther away?  Who were the 3 Americans on board, and why is no one asking this question?

The Malay authorities need to disclose the contents of the Cargo.  They also need to determine who the two people were who got on with false passports, and why their pilot would have a $10,000* simulator at home, when they constantly train on multi-million dollar simulators at work.  The latter stretched the credulity of a “committed” pilot.  And where is the missing family of the co-pilot?

* Kirk and a simulation industry friend studied the pics of the simulator shown on the news.  Three Display, three performance laptops, high end control station = thousands uopn thousands spent.  By a guy who makes "how much" and who gets something 100x better at work (on a full motion platform)?  Really?  REALLY?

The more is revealed, the more this stinks:  Inasmuch the talking heads on CNN now try to ‘discount’ or “explain away” each aspect, none of them is explaining the anomalies holistically in their sum-total.

FWIW, at this point, unless and until they disclose the preceding hourly Pings from the plane to Inmarsat (1:11 – 8:11), it begins to look, feel and smell more and more like an incredibly sophisticated HEIST of the plane, crew, passengers and CARG, that required some Insider help and assistance from Experts (spooks?).

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:02 | 4566643 Tall Tom
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Come on...You have an Optics Bench, with lasers, at home and enjoy playing in it, tinkering in it, after work, don't you?

 

You love working in that field, don't you?

 

Pilots are no different than you. They love flying. (Hell who doesn't?)

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:20 | 4566800 actionjacksonbrownie
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You think he was going to practice hijacking the plane on the simulator at work???

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:06 | 4566474 Oxygen
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Why not do both at the same time?
Distraction and False flag attack?!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:59 | 4565733 FlyingDutchman
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I'm just wondering, by bombing or destroying Iran : there's still no pipelines through Syria and Russia remains as firm in the saddle as possible.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:47 | 4566318 Againstthelie
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Interesting theory.

But the two Iranians, that were immediately "identified" without investigators' access to their passports (PPs move with the passengers), but the MSM immediately even knew, they used faked PPs.

This story immediately smelled like the passport on top of the ashes and the left behind Koran in the 9/11 plot.

I think your story is good, but therefore it has one error: What would be the motive of the Iranians to do this? They have abbsolutely no motive to do this, it would help Israel and endanger Iran tremendously!

Therefore the plane has definately not landed in Iran! But thanks to ZH we know, there is a US airbase close. So I'd guess it was landed at that US airbase (with the passengers probably dead already). Either the false flag "Iranians" attacking Israel, will happen soon (the corpses begin to rot), or something did not work as planned and the op was cancelled. Then the plane probably will start once more (remote controlled) and then be sunk in the sea. Maybe accompanied by some MSM news, that a suspicious plane leaving Iran disappeared from radar again.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:38 | 4565427 McMolotov
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Flight MH370 landed on Sergio Leone, which is owned by Italy. The plane is now in the possession of Clint Eastwood.

edit: Reuters now says he has demanded a fistful of dollars.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:33 | 4565643 A Nanny Moose
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It's in Tierra Del Fuego. Give each other $20. Put it on underhill.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:24 | 4565399 kaiserhoff
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by the United States (Diego Garcia), and three other runways in India and Sri Lanka, all have runway lengths of 1,000 metres."

Ain't that special.  The guys who fly these planes say that, fully loaded, you need at least 10,000 feet to land safely.   Oooops.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:33 | 4565436 Winston Churchill
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What in hell are they trying to distract us from ?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:36 | 4565444 maskone909
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Bingo! Scares the shit outta me...

Talk of developments with usa/syria as well as false flag shit in ukraine

But wait a missing plane, baby pandas and fucking tyler perry dressed like a tranny!!! Derrrrp

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:49 | 4565492 Keyser
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Hmm, did they ever find those 2 nukes that went missing from Texas?

http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/09/05/undocumented-nukes-moved-to-sc...

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:06 | 4565556 kaiserhoff
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Syria go Boom!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:17 | 4565595 magpie
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It is a terrorist attack according to occultist principles leading to another terrorist attack according to occultist principles.

You pay attention to it to "feed" the mental parasites, demons, "aliens" the US intelligentsia believes in these days.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:29 | 4565634 Hovel Downs
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All CNN wants to talk about...yes I watch

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:10 | 4565764 knukles
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Fuck CNN
And the EU

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:53 | 4565927 freeasabee1
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fuck everyone, let this shit hole die.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:25 | 4565824 Ranger4564
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Global Currency Reset. Friday? FRN's gone, TRN's in, 30-40% haircut?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:35 | 4565863 dvfco
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Every single word Obama has spoken since the day he was born and every act he has committed since he became an elected official.  That's my guess, more or less.  I think Obama needs distraction more than Clinton after a cigar party.  

I see the Dems turning on him soon and joining in a vote to have him Impeached and, yes, Convicted.  The only people as sleazy as the pres are almost all members of the US House & Senate.  While all good Americans should be actively working for and hoping for Obama's removal from office, allowing the Dems to partially redeem themselves (in a 100% self-serving manner - just before the election) by Impeaching the bastard would be a great turn of events in American History. 

I actually don't 'see' him being Impeached, it's more like a wet dream.

Diego Garcia is my bet.  That pilot looks too nice and normal for me. He's worked for the airlines for about 23 or 33 years.  Also, it's taken far too long for anyone to bring up tons of dirt on the passengers and crew.  So, now we're pulling out of the search.  Has there ever been a search for a missing plane that's been given up before the plan was located?  I don't think so.  We finally found Amelia Earhart's remains a long, long time after she crashed.

 

 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:23 | 4566039 Husk-Erzulie
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Well, that's what comes from electing a poopsterprocrasturbator.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:54 | 4566329 Keyser
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This little kabuki dance is brought to you by none other than the USSA. There was something in the cargo that no one wanted to reach it's destination. I doubt we will ever know the truth. 

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 04:43 | 4566745 Independent
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Good thing Snowden was not in their crosshairs when he flew to Asia, these guys in the USSA would of shot down his plane to silence him.H

Whatever was on that plane they got it, and the entire crew and passengers will be liquidated and dumped in the ocean, probably told folks we are going to fly you back, and then shoot the plane down over the Indian ocean

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:26 | 4566662 Tall Tom
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dvico...

 

Do you really want to see the Sodomite in Chief impeached???

 

Yeah. Then we will have PRESIDENT BIDEN.

 

So you are here promoting for a President Biden Administration??? What a God Damned SOCIALIST.

 

Gag...Cough...Puke.

 

That would be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

 

That is the same old Red Team/Blue Team bullshit rhetoric.

 

THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:10 | 4565570 capitallosses
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Could land on less than 5,000 feet. See http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/7772sec3.pdf

My bets are on Diego Garcia (with some kind of U.S. strategic deal in play) or Great Coco Island (remote lightly populated island effectively controlled by China (its a Chinese listening post) both within reach, but both would somehow be complicit since they are keeping their mouths shut.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:35 | 4565651 chubbar
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The runway in Diego Garcia is at least 10,000' long, I flew out of there for several weeks in the early 80's.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:29 | 4565835 actionjacksonbrownie
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Diego Garcia runway is 10,000 ft long - google map it

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:52 | 4565926 Quantum Nucleonics
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Though I don't buy into the "It landed somewhere" theory, you don't need a 10K runway to land a triple 7.  You need 7K to 13K runway to takeoff at max takeoff weight (+/- depending on altitude, temperature, wind, etc).  The higher figure mostly applies to the really high altitude cities in Latin America.  Typical landing requirements are 4K to 8K as long as you've burned off most of the fuel.  It is certainly possible to land a triple 7 on a 1km runway, everyone would survive the landing, but you'd probably destroy the landing gear in the process.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:14 | 4566653 Tall Tom
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You can land Space Shuttles at Diego Garcia. It was an Abort To Orbit site that needed to have weather clearance for Space Shuttle launches. Space Shuttle landing speeds were well over 200 Knots. The landing speed of a Boeing 777 is much slower.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:08 | 4566193 booboo
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Worm Hole or it could just be stranded up there, you run out of fuel in one of those and it's a pain in the ass to get AAA to come up and re-fuel you. This is just two of my theories. I have another but it's sound kind of crazy and I have a degree in Climatology so I have my reputation to protect and stuff like that unless there is a grant and I can change my theory.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:56 | 4566564 Harrison
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One of them was Carmen Sandiego. I think they were partying with Waldo.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:15 | 4565361 duo
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Didn't GRU say that the plane had loaded cargo from the Maersk Alabama (the one with the two dead Navy seals)?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:51 | 4565501 Drifter
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Why didn't Tyler include this theory (which seems more plausible than some other theories mentioned)?

Too conspiratorial for ZH (after several conspiracy theories have proven to be conspiracy fact)?

Is ZH drifting further toward MSM "political correctness"?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:53 | 4565713 motorollin
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I saw some Sorcha Faal BS on that. I would like to believe, and if I had to take a guess as to why this happened, the cargo is definitely involved. However, I have yet to see a source cited for this information. Fuck, any source. Even the quarterbacks, I mean, baggage handlers themselves. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:49 | 4565907 Ranger4564
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What if the Plane was really carrying some Biological agents from a military research lab, and was intended to be quietly brought into China, on a commercial airliner for practical reasons... but it started leaking on the plane? So the Military had to order the plane to land at a secluded military base in the middle of the ocean, so as to limit contamination?

Or maybe the biologicals were being hijacked and the plane had to be forced to land.

Or maybe the above 2 options are not correct, and the biologicals are being prepared for a false flag.  Oligarchs have a demented sensibility.

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-mystery-deepens-after-t...

 


Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:02 | 4566347 Keyser
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Or perhaps one of the "missing" nukes from Texas, set to detonate when it arrived in Beijing. Lot's of conjecture, but looking more and more like spooks are involved. 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:10 | 4566648 Kirk2NCC1701
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No matter what Precious Cargo was on board, the dead-giveaway that this was (a) Deliberate and (b) done by an Expert, is that the ACARS was turned off first.

The silencing of both Transponders (one at each END of the plane), raises another Yellow Flag.  The reprogramming of the Guidance system and computer-controlled re-routing makes it UNAMBIGUOUS that this was a DELIBERATE act, done by EXPERTS -- who had NO intention to re-establish communication.

Listen up children, you can't discount ALL the Yellow Flags and Anomalies.  Unless you're dumber than a box of rocks -- or hope that your audience is.  -Kirk out.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:27 | 4565409 knukles
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It's 20+ tonnes of once good delivery gold having been remelted into bite-sized bars (snack bar sized) that were originally going to be sold to the Chinee, picked off by the Aliens.
Grey Aliens, in the service and at the behest of the Annanuki.
Which right now has as much credibility as any other excuse.
And the meat of the people were eaten as snacks, the vital organs to turn up on the black market.
Penis, anyone?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:37 | 4565451 McMolotov
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"I'm always down for penis." —Barry

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:42 | 4565468 Pure Evil
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No penis for me thank you, but I will take a large helping of breasts and meat curtains. sliced thin. And, for desert I'd like bowl of ice cream covered with fried clitoris, very crunchy.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:46 | 4565482 knukles
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Lady GaGa could have a couple 3 or four grafted onto her forehead, sprinkled with glitter and do the Sparkly the Rainbow Unicorn Vomit  Dance

   come on Knuks, no more ideas for the fall of civilisation

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:17 | 4565597 maskone909
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Now thats funny

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:28 | 4565629 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Throw in some skittles and the fall is certainly near knucks.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:54 | 4565720 lotsoffun
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knuckles - lady gaga is currently our usa 'class' act entertainment.  besides, she has a lot to say about morals, injustice, philosophy of life.  everything she does is a 'statement' to help the immature and uncultured, barbaric amongst us (i include myself in that statement) learn to be better humans and citizens.  and parents and neighbors.  i hope she wins a noble peace prize.  and, considering how rich she is, she should probably win a noble economics prize also.  obama only has one.  god bless america, our leaders outclass the rest of the world.

and - if i really need to do this (not for knucks but). - sarcasm.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:06 | 4565970 Big Corked Boots
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Now, if she had a bacon dress, I would respect her.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:32 | 4566668 Tall Tom
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If she had a bacon dress and walked into a Mosque then I would be giving her my last respects.

 

Hmmm...Two birds with one stone...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:00 | 4567307 sleigher
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I always wanted to make a vest out of beef jerky.  

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:41 | 4565884 Blano
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Knucks FTW as usual.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:31 | 4566052 Husk-Erzulie
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Instant  Classic :-)

The real high classic humor is the conflation of Penis and Vital Organs and OMG Gray Aliens... Fuck I can't stop giggling.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:44 | 4565896 Uncle Remus
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Zardoz redux.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:48 | 4565491 inca
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There are numerous alternative theories now, all being pushed by either mainstream media or "mainstream alternative media" and all have major problems. Diego Garcia remains by far the most highly probable location for flight 370. There are three big reasons why flight 370 most likely ended up there, and a few smaller ones...

The first big reason is because the Malaysian military plotted flight 370 on radar as it turned around and flew for a full hour in the direction of Diego Garcia until it disappeared from their military radars far sooner than it should have absent jamming. All the terrain mapping and flying at 5,000 feet stories are bold faced lies, the last radar blip from this plane happened at 29,500 feet and at that altitude it disappeared from military radars after previously vanishing from civilian radars at 36,000 feet. The terrain mapping stories which are being hatched by either think tanks, liars with a motive or total idiots do not hold water.

This plane not only vanished while in clear sight of civilian radars, it vanished a second time while in full sight of military radars, the plane remained within range of military radars for at least a full 300 miles after it vanished from them, simply calculating the curvature of the earth proves it and only a phase cancelling electronic warfare platform could have done that.

http://www.degaray.com/?p=4052

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:53 | 4565508 Keyser
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Unless an Anunaki mother ship snatched them out of thin air. Just sayin'. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:14 | 4565696 Quus Ant
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It would seem TPTB are throwing all the shit on hand into the fan and hoping people get so freaked

out by the complete-and-total-clusterfucking-inanity of the whole thing that they turn away in bewilderment.

You aren't going to get any real answers about that plane, but hey, March Madness is here and easily understood.   

 

Full Spectrum Bullshit.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:00 | 4565739 BraveSirRobin
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You have no idea what you are talking about. The last tracked coursewas toward central India, not Diego Garcia. Also, a radar operator knows when his set is being jammed. It's incredibly bloody obvious. Finally, though radar is a line of sight device (generally speaking), the range of detection is detemined by power output and fidelity of it's receving antenna, not line of sight, not to mention the taget's radar cross section which is dependent on the aircraft's attitude in relation to the radar. Having said this, the reporting on the incident does not make any sense, especially this "waypoint" theory. I can honestly say I have no clue what happened, but there was not radar jamming, that's for sure. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:59 | 4565950 Quantum Nucleonics
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Sorry, but this is silly and flawed.  300 miles is far beyond the range of any radars Malyasia has.  Far beyond.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:15 | 4566005 phaedrus1952
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+1,000, inca.   And all the distractions, baffle 'em with bullshit, and pathetically childish ad hominems cannot and will not stand until those key, obvious and officially acknowledged events are explained.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:21 | 4566660 Kirk2NCC1701
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I'm inclined to look at this guy's hypothesis with some credence. 

The 25 tons of Precious Cargo also has me wondering about a $1B AU Heist.

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/awacs.html

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/index.html

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 13:17 | 4568099 matrix2012
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UKRAINE AND MH370 - THE LARGER ISSUES

 

Jim Stone has furthers his "analysis" on 2014-03-18:

 

"I have no doubt that America intentionally stole Chinese engineers and technology via the theft of flight 370 as a precursor to World War 3. And I think the U.S. was in Ukraine to secure that territory as a precursor as well, and Russia did not play as nice as the cabal thought they would. But the theft of flight 370 indicates to me that they are going to proceed as planned despite Russia's reaction, with whatever they have."

...

How much will American sanctions affect Russia?

Perhaps not as much as Russian and Chinese sanctions would affect America. Russia and China do not need the American dollar to stay afloat. They have their own currencies and a good enough alliance to keep life pretty much normal without America even existing. But if Russia and China and the rest of the BRICS nations dump the dollar, America's "dollar," the private banker dollar, could well end up crashing. And a crashed bankers have one way of fixing problems - huge wars.

 

And this is where flight MH370 enters the picture

Long ago, China knew America was into hacking everything, and one outcome of this was the Longsoon Yeelong laptop, which ran a Chinese operating system on a Chinese processor. China knew so well that the NSA had back doors into everthing long before Snowden that they copied an American processor and tried to produce it sans back doors. And it all worked and ran quite well and securely. I had a chance to buy a new one in 2012 but at the time did not know what it was so I passed it up. Too bad. But because I actually saw one I now know China has secure and fairly modern computing that the NSA would love to blow a few back doors into. In this area China probably beats Russia.

 

The hijacked plane had more than just 20 freescale employees, it had many other Chinese experts aboard and now that everything is washed out, the kidnapped engineers worked data security and little else. Since the U.S. does practically nothing militarily without first getting absolute information superiority, they nailed that plane which was unusually full of key people for the sole purpose of getting the NSA back into a position of completely raping Chinese data and regaining total information superiority. This would be badly "needed" before kicking off world war 3 with China being a key "threat" (a little inverted there), and the window of opportunity is short. They have got to quickly extract information from the engineers and launch their war before China can plug any holes that get opened. THAT is why the disappearance of flight 370 is so important, and why Diego Garcia is NEVER EVER MENTIONED in the MSM.

...

Read the rest here.
Wed, 03/19/2014 - 13:13 | 4568103 matrix2012
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~dup1

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 13:14 | 4568121 matrix2012
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~dup2

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:51 | 4565503 Cacete de Ouro
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The Hand of God maybe? ... Opps, sorry, that was a different Diego

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:20 | 4566026 Stuck on Zero
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Indian Ocean Triangle?  Hexagon? Octagon?

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:05 | 4565553 Super Broccoli
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Well wrote on ZH it was there since last week i think ;-)

Pure logic, flight time, access to airfield and storage of the plane (and passangers) without anyone seeing them, flight route, avoidance of radars, noone tracking online cellphones (1 minut for any operator), no terrorist group explaining it was them for whatever reason ... 

 

Face it, US gov is a fucking terrorist organisation

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:52 | 4565711 Cacete de Ouro
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Yes, evidence and evasion suggested Diego Garcia, I was also banging on about it during the week as were a few people, including maybe pinto currency (I can't recall)

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:22 | 4565615 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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I do not know but at another ex JPM banker has commited suicide. No nail guns this time. So at least some good news today

 

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/ 

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/03/18/number-8-another-global-b...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:27 | 4565625 Oxbo Rene
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Below India, way down in ocean ......
Google earth is your friend ....

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