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Did Missing Flight MH370 Land In The Maldives Or Diego Garcia: The Full Updated Summary
Well over a week after the disappearance of flight MH370 - which now is the longest official disappearance of a modern jet in aviation history - with no official trace of the missing plane yet revealed, the investigation, which as we reported over the weekend has focused on the pilots and specifically on Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, earlier today revealed that on his home-made flight simulator had been loaded five Indian Ocean practice runways, among which those of Male in the Maldives, that of the US owned base at Sergio Garcia, as well as other runways in India and Sri Lanka - all notable runways as all are possible landing spots based on the flight's potential trajectories. The Malay Mail Online reported, "The simulation programmes are based on runways at the Male International Airport in Maldives, an airport owned by the United States (Diego Garcia), and three other runways in India and Sri Lanka, all have runway lengths of 1,000 metres."
“We are not discounting the possibility that the plane landed on a runway that might not be heavily monitored, in addition to the theories that the plane landed on sea, in the hills, or in an open space,” the source was quoted as saying.
At this point the facts in the case are about as sketchy as any "data" on US Treasury holdings, but here is what was said on the record:
"Although Malay Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein denied yesterday that the plane had landed at US military base Diego Garcia, the source told the daily that this possibility will still be investigated based on the data found in Zaharie’s flight simulator software. The police had seized the flight simulator from the 53-year-old pilot’s house in Shah Alam on Saturday and reassembled it at the police headquarters where experts are conducting checks."
Previous reports indicated that the plane flew towards Checkpoint Gival, south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another checkpoint, Igrex, used for route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.
Still, the Maldives news is of particular note since earlier today, Haaveru Online, quoted locals who said they had seen a "low flying jet" whose description is approximate to what flight MH370 looked like. From the source:
Whilst the disappearance of the Boeing 777 jet, carrying 239 passengers has left the whole world in bewilderment, several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo told Haveeru on Tuesday that they saw a "low flying jumbo jet" at around 6:15am on March 8.
They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which is what the Malaysia Airlines flights typically look like.
Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.
"I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly," said an eyewitness.
"It's not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too."
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A local aviation expert told Haveeru that it is "likely" for MH370 to have flown over the Maldives. The possibility of any aircraft flying over the island at the reported time is extremely low, the expert added.
So did the pilot hijack the plane, reprogram the flight path, turn off the transponder, and fly low above the surface and below radar all the way to the Maldives, or alternatively, US airbase, Diego Garcia, where Captain Shah promptly offloaded 20+ tons of still unknown cargo? Some experts opine on just this, by way of the Telegraph:
If the Maldive lead turns out to be a strong one, then the next question is: could the plane conceivably have flown to Somalia? Or somewhere in the southern Arabian peninsula or Iran? Somalia seems a much more likely destination for a hijacker with its known al-Qaeda connections.
And this:
Timing is issue with claimed Maldives sighting, because 06:15 local (01:15UTC) is 8h after #MH370 loss of contact.
— David KaminskiMorrow (@FlightDKM) March 18, 2014
Kaminski Morrow adds:
- The plane, a Boeing 777-200, was capable of travelling as far as the Maldives
- Male is the main airport but the sighting appears to have come from an atoll a long way south
- Commercial aircraft-tracking software, while not always reliable, doesn’t seem to show any other nearby traffic with which a sighting might have been confused
It is all hugely, hugely tentative - and I wouldn't want to vouch for the newspaper which is the source of this information.
But theoretically it could be possible.
The vital detail is the fuel; Malaysia Airlines has not said how much fuel was on board, other than to say "enough for the trip to Beijing".
Therefore we can't tell if that was enough to loop around and make it back to the Maldives.
So far there have been few firm theories about MH370 having landed on the US airbase in the middle of the Indian Ocean, some 800 miles south of Male in the Maldives.
Theories about what happened to missing Malaysia Flight MH370 now span a 2 million-plus square mile area of open ocean and southeast Asian land, including one mysterious island in the Indian Ocean known as Diego Garcia.
While aviation experts and armchair theorists continue to come up with plausible locations, the jet could have landed or crashed. Many theories have included Diego Garcia as a notable landing strip.
The island atoll is a British territory in the central Indian Ocean and is home to a United States Navy support facility — not exactly a U.S. base, but a home for 1700 military personnel, 1,500 civilian contractors, and various Naval equipment.
The island — named after 16th century Spanish explorer Diego Garcia de Moguer — gained some notoriety in the past 10 years after reports claimed that the U.S. used Diego Garcia to transport and detain alleged terrorists.
Expect the US military to have zero official comments on the matter, and even less if indeed MH370 landed there, or merely used the base as a transit stop on its route further west, potentially to Africa.
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There are other theories of course, some of which involve none other than such aviation experts as US politicians.
Michael McCaul, a Republican congressman from Texas, who chairs the House Homeland Security Committee, said that the plane may have actually landed and could be used by terrorist groups.
John Cornyn, a senator from Texas, helpfully tweeted a link to possible runways where the plane could have landed.
Peter King, a Republican congressman representing New York, suggests the Chinese have doctored some of their satellite images to hide the sophistication of their systems.
But Mr King said he was not aware of terrorist "chatter". He said on This Week:
QuoteNo, there's been no terrorist connections whatsoever. There's been no terrorist chatter. There's nothing out there indicating it's terrorists. Doesn't mean it's not, but so far nothing has been picked up by the intelligence community from Day One.
I still have questions about the two Iranians who were on the plane, but again, that could be a side issue. The fact is nothing has come up indicating a terrorist nexus.
Going back to what is known, here is a full and updated timeline of all events that took place, by way of BBC:
The search operation is now concentrating on huge areas to the north and south of Malaysia, after locational 'pings' detected by a satellite appeared to indicate the plane was somewhere on an arc stretching either north up to to Central Asia, or south, to the Indian Ocean and Australia.
Evidence revealed on Saturday 15 March by the Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak suggested the jet was deliberately diverted by someone on board about an hour after takeoff.
When was the last contact made?
Flight MH370 departed from Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 00:41 on Saturday (16:41 GMT Friday), and was due to arrive in Beijing at 06:30 (22:30 GMT).
Malaysia Airlines says the plane lost contact less than an hour after takeoff.
No distress signal or message was sent.
The ACARS - a service that allows computers aboard the plane to "talk" to computers on the ground - was silenced some time after 01:07 as the plane crossed Malaysia's east coast.
At about 01:19 the co-pilot was heard to say: "All right, good night".
The plane's transponder, which communicates with ground radar, was shut down soon after this final communication, as the aircraft crossed from Malaysian air traffic control into Vietnamese airspace over the South China Sea.
At 01:37 the next ACARS transmission was due, but never sent.
What happened next?
The plane's planned route would have taken it north-eastwards, over Cambodia and Vietnam, and the initial search focused on the South China Sea, south of Vietnam's Ca Mau peninsula.
But evidence from a military radar, revealed later, suggested the plane had suddenly changed from its northerly course to head west. So the search, involving dozens of ships and planes, then switched to the sea west of Malaysia.
MH370's last communication with a satellite, disclosed a week after the plane's disappearance, suggested the jet was in one of two flight corridors, one stretching north between Thailand and Kazakhstan, the other south between Indonesia and the southern Indian Ocean.
The timing of the last confirmed communication with a satellite was 08:11 (00:11 GMT), meaning that the Boeing continued flying for nearly seven hours after contact with air traffic control was lost.
Investigators are making further calculations to establish how far the plane might have flown after the last point of contact.
Who was on board?
Muhammad Razahan Zamani (bottom right), 24, and his wife Norli Akmar Hamid, 33, were on their honeymoon on the missing flight. The phone is being held by his stepsister, Arni Marlina
The 12 crew members were all Malaysian, led by pilots Captain Zaharie Ahmed Shah, 53 and 27-year-old co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid.
Police have searched their homes and a flight simulator has been taken from the captain's home and reassembled for examination at police headquarters.
It is now believed that co-pilot Hamid spoke the last words heard from the plane, "All right, good night" - but it it not clear whether this was before or after the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) had been deliberately switched off.
There were 227 passengers, including 153 Chinese and 38 Malaysians, according to the manifest. Seven were children.
Other passengers came from Iran, the US, Canada, Indonesia, Australia, India, France, New Zealand, Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan and the Netherlands.
Among the Chinese nationals were a delegation of 19 prominent artists who had attended an exhibition in Kuala Lumpur.
With so many of their nationals aboard, the Chinese Government has been very involved in the search, expressing barely-concealed frustration with the lack of progress.
Malaysia Airlines said there were four passengers who checked in for the flight but did not show up at the airport.
Malaysia plane: Who were the passengers?
Could it have been a terrorist attack?
The plane was deliberately diverted, the Malaysian PM told a news conference
The aircraft's change of direction was consistent with "deliberate action on the plane", the Malaysian authorities said.
But it remains unclear whether the course change was carried out by the air crew or flight-trained hijackers onboard.
So far no known or credible terror group has emerged to claim responsibility.
Initial investigations concentrated on two passengers found to be travelling on stolen passports.
The two Iranian men - 19-year-old Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad and Delavar Seyed Mohammadreza, 29 - were later found to headed for Europe via Beijing, and had no apparent links to terrorist groups.
Other theories for a crash
A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER taking off from Narita Airport near Tokyo, Japan, last year
Some initial theories suggested that the aircraft could have suffered a disastrous mid-air decompression, but Malaysian authorities say they are now almost entirely focused on the actions of the crew.
Captain Zaharie Ahmed Shah, who had more than 18,000 flying hours behind him, had been employed by the airline since 1981.
Weather conditions for this flight were good.
Malaysia Airlines has a good safety record and the jet, a Boeing 777-200ER, is said to be one of the safest because of its modern technology.
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Finally, for those who still have lingering questions, here also from the BBC, is a compendium of 10 theories attempting to explain the fate of the missing airliner.
1. Landed in the Andaman Islands
The plane was apparently at one stage heading in the direction of India's Andaman and Nicobar Islands, the most easterly part of Indian territory, which lies between Indonesia and the coast of Thailand and Burma. It has been reported that military radar there might not even have been operating, as the threat level is generally perceived to be low.
The editor of the islands' Andaman Chronicle newspaper dismisses the notion that the aircraft could be there. There are four airstrips but planes landing would be spotted, he told CNN. He also believed monitoring by the Indian military would prevent an airliner being able to land there unnoticed. But this is an isolated spot. There are more than 570 islands, only 36 of which are inhabited. If the plane had been stolen, this might be the best place to land it secretly, says Steve Buzdygan, a former BA 777 pilot. It would be difficult, but not impossible, to land on the beach, he says. At least 5,000ft (1500m) or so would make a long enough strip to land on.
It would be theoretically possible but extremely difficult. With such a heavy aeroplane, using the landing gear might lead to the wheels digging into the sand and sections of undercarriage being ripped off. "If I was landing on a beach I would keep the wheels up," says Buzdygan. But in this type of crash landing, the danger would also be damage to the wings, which are full of fuel, causing an explosion. Even if landed safely, it is unlikely the plane would be able to take off again.
2. Flew to Kazakhstan
The Central Asian republic is at the far end of the northern search corridor, so the plane could hypothetically have landed there. Light aircraft pilot Sylvia Wrigley, author of Why Planes Crash, says landing in a desert might be possible and certainly more likely than landing on a beach somewhere. "To pull this off, you are looking at landing in an incredibly isolated area," says Wrigley. The failure so far to release a cargo manifest has created wild rumours about a valuable load that could be a motive for hijacking. There has also been speculation that some of those on board were billionaires.
But the plane would have been detected, the Kazakh Civil Aviation Committee said in a detailed statement sent to Reuters. And there's an even more obvious problem. The plane would have had to cross the airspace of countries like India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, which are all usually in a high state of military preparedness. But it's just possible that there are weak links in the radar systems of some of the countries en route to Central Asia, Wrigley speculates. "A lot of air traffic control gear is old. They might be used to getting false positives from flocks of birds and, therefore, it would be easy to discount it."
3. It flew south
The final satellite "ping" suggests the plane was still operational for at least five or six hours after leaving Malaysian radar range. For Norman Shanks, former head of group security at airports group BAA, and professor of aviation security at Coventry University, the search should therefore start from the extremes of the corridors and work up, rather than the other way around. He thinks the southern corridor is more likely for a plane that has so far avoided detection by radar.
The southern arc leads to the huge open spaces of the Indian Ocean, and then to Australia's empty northern hinterland. Without knowing the motive, it is hard to speculate where the plane's final destination was intended to be. But the plane may just have carried on until it ran out of fuel and then glided and crashed into the sea somewhere north of Australia.
4. Taklamakan Desert, north-west China
There has been speculation on forums that the plane could have been commandeered by China's Uighur Muslim separatists. Out of the plane's 239 passengers, 153 were Chinese citizens. One possible destination in this theory would be China's Taklamakan Desert. The region - described by Encyclopaedia Britannica as a "great desert of Central Asia and one of the largest sandy deserts in the world" - has no shortage of space far from prying eyes. The BBC's Jonah Fisher tweeted on 15 March: "Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border."
But again, this theory rests on an extraordinary run through the radar systems of several countries.
5. It was flown towards Langkawi island because of a fire or other malfunction
The loss of transponders and communications could be explained by a fire, aviation blogger Chris Goodfellow has suggested. The left turn that the plane made, deviating from the route to Beijing, could have been a bid to reach safety, he argues. "This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport." He aimed to avoid crashing into a city or high ridges, Goodfellow argues. "Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000ft (4,000m) strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lumpur because he knew he had 8,000ft ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance." In this theory it would be assumed that the airliner did not make it to Langkawi and crashed into the sea.
But Goodfellow's theory has been disputed. If the course was changed during a major emergency, one might expect it to be done using manual control. But the left turn was the result of someone in the cockpit typing "seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials", the New York Times reported. The paper says this "has reinforced the belief of investigators - first voiced by Malaysian officials - that the plane was deliberately diverted and that foul play was involved."
6. The plane is in Pakistan
Media tycoon Rupert Murdoch has tweeted: "World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden." But Pakistan has strenuously denied that this would be possible. The country's assistant to the prime minister on aviation, Shujaat Azeem, has been reported as saying: "Pakistan's civil aviation radars never spotted this jet, so how it could be hidden somewhere in Pakistan?" Like the Kazakhstan theory, this all seems far-fetched, not least because the junction between Indian and Pakistani air space is one of the most watched sectors in the world by military radar. And despite the remoteness and lawlessness of northern Pakistan, the region is watched closely by satellites and drones. It seems scarcely believable to think an airliner could get there unspotted.
7. The plane hid in the shadow of another airliner
Aviation blogger Keith Ledgerwood believes the missing plane hid in the radar shadow of Singapore Airlines flight 68. The Singaporean airliner was in the same vicinity as the Malaysian plane, he argues. "It became apparent as I inspected SIA68's flight path history that MH370 had manoeuvred itself directly behind SIA68 at approximately 18:00UTC and over the next 15 minutes had been following SIA68." He believes that the Singaporean airliner would have disguised the missing plane from radar controllers on the ground. "It is my belief that MH370 likely flew in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan airspace. As MH370 was flying 'dark' without a transponder, SIA68 would have had no knowledge that MH370 was anywhere around, and as it entered Indian airspace, it would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens." The Singapore Airlines plane flew on to Spain. The Malaysian jet could have branched off. "There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xinjiang, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan," Ledgerwood argues.
Prof Hugh Griffiths, radar expert at University College London, says it sounds feasible. But there is a difference between military and civilian radar. Civilian radar works by means of a transponder carried by the aircraft - a system known as secondary radar. The military use primary radar and this "ought to be higher resolution". So how close would the two planes need to be? He estimates about 1000m (3300ft). It is possible military radar would be able to pick up that there were two objects, he says. "It might be able to tell the difference, to know that there are two targets." If this happens, though, there's then the question of how this is interpreted on the ground. Is it a strange echo that would be discounted? When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941, although the US radar operator detected the incoming aircraft, they were dismissed as US bombers arriving from the mainland.
8. There was a struggle
One of the hardest things to account for so far with an innocent explanation is the way the plane was flown erratically. It went far above its "ceiling", flying at 45,000ft (13,716m) before later flying very low. Big fluctuations in altitude suggest there might have been a struggle, says Buzdygan. Post-9/11, cockpit doors have been strengthened against the possibility of hijack but there are still scenarios where access could be gained. Pilots talk to each other "over a beer" about how they'd deal with hijackers, he says. Buzdygan would have had no qualms about flying aggressively to try to resist a hijack. "I'd try to disorientate and confuse the hijackers by throwing them around," he says.
9. The passengers were deliberately killed by decompression
Another theory circulating is that the plane was taken up to 45,000ft to kill the passengers quickly, former RAF navigator Sean Maffett says. The supposed motive for this might have been primarily to stop the passengers using mobile phones, once the plane descended to a much lower altitude. At 45,000ft, the Boeing 777 is way above its normal operating height. And it is possible to depressurise the cabin, notes Maffett. Oxygen masks would automatically deploy. They would run out after 12-15 minutes. The passengers - as with carbon monoxide poisoning - would slip into unconsciousness and die, he argues. But whoever was in control of the plane would also perish in this scenario, unless they had access to some other form of oxygen supply.
10. The plane will take off again to be used in a terrorist attack
One of the more outlandish theories is that the plane has been stolen by terrorists to commit a 9/11 style atrocity. It has been landed safely, hidden or camouflaged, will be refuelled and fitted with a new transponder before taking off to attack a city. It would be very hard to land a plane, hide it and then take off again, Maffett suggested. But it can't be ruled out. "We are now at stage where very, very difficult things have to be considered as all sensible options seem to have dropped off," he says. It is not clear even whether a plane could be refitted with a new transponder and given a totally new identity in this way, he says. Others would say that while it is just about feasible the plane could be landed in secret, it is unlikely it would be in a fit state to take off again.
The even more far-fetched
Many of the above theories might seem far-fetched but there are even more outlandish-sounding ones out there.
If the plane had flown up the northern corridor, experts maintain it would probably have triggered primary radar. Key countries whose airspace it might have crossed are Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, or Thailand. After 9/11, an unidentified airliner entering sovereign airspace is likely to lead to fighters being scrambled, says Maffett. "If the plane is in the northern arc it could easily have been shot down." It's a theory circulating on some forums. The notion is that no-one would want to admit shooting down an airliner full of passengers, Maffett says, and thus might currently be concealing the event.
But there are a host of holes in the theory. Firstly, the plane would still have had to avoid numerous radar systems before finally triggering one. And the nation responsible would be trying to keep secret the fate of the world's currently most-searched for object. Covering up the incident for so long would arguably make the shooting down look far worse.
A completely different thread of conspiracy theory assumes a sympathetic regime. The scepticism about flying undetected through radar changes somewhat if the hijackers are in cahoots with a country's government. There are several authoritarian regimes within the aircraft's range, but the conspiracy theory doesn't even require a government's co-operation - the hijackers could just be in cahoots with radar operators. Again, this seems to be a conspiracy of incredible complexity to be kept secret for this length of time. And what would the motive be for those colluding?
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Motive? We don't know. But then again, neither we nor anyone else appears to have seen the full cargo manifest yet, which as we said early last week may hold all the answers, and frankly we find it surprising that in a case of such magnitude this most critical unknown has been largely left untouched by everyone.
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It was a play on words, Chief. An old video game called "Where in the Fuck is Carmen San Diego?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roiJizt8jxw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIe0AkdTKN0&list=PL3614A60067415205
Middle of Indian Ocean Boris. Nice little Island, home to huge US Air Base and Naval Air Station. Bombers, Recon planes, fueling and maintenance stop for Naval ships. One huge fucking base. I had a friend in the Navy who helped build this base way back in the 80's.
Doesn't matter now. The plane spotted in the Maldives was headed south toward DG. That would have only been a gas stop, perhaps a quick paint job and computer reprogram. The new plane could then fly on to the Seychelles and pickup/dropoff on the way to... haven't figured that out yet.
I would bet that plane is sitting on a western country's runway right now, in plain sight.
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This needs moar upvotes.
Earned mine...
Southern California i think. China has refused to share their radar information with Malaysia. I agree...it would look bad if the airplane was sitting on a US Military Base and nobody noticed it.
Who is John Galt, and where did Capt. Shah go to find him?
DG island just so happens to house WMD with a airstrip long enough to land most airplanes .......http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/567207-diego-garcia-island-atoll-us-base...
DG island just so happens to house WMD with a airstrip long enough to land most airplanes .......http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/567207-diego-garcia-island-atoll-us-base...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ286Fpq7Fs
I have a theory which hasn't been discussed yet and may apply to several scenerios.
My theory is that the plane could have landed/ crashed in water and stayed in one piece, or perhaps 3 larger pieces (2 wings and main body), before sinking.. I'll explain further...
A few years ago a pilot in NY (American readers will know this better) hit a flock of birds on take off and suffered engine failure, and then landed the plane in one whole piece in the Hudson River saving everyone.
Well in several scenerios this could be the ultimate reason why no one can find this plane. For instance imagine the pilot was on a suicide mission and wanted to be as malicious as possible, flies the plane to 45,000 ft renedering everyone unconcious, flies out o the Indian Ocean, lands the plane as best he can on the water, and lets it sink. In this scenerio the plane may not break up leaving cuchions, lugage, bodies floating everywhere - and the pilot may have known this would cause maximum distress/ embaressment in Malaysia as the plane would never be found.
Another example where this may apply is in mechanical failure. Imagine the plane suffered mechanical failure and the pilot did actually attempt to turn back and suffered navigational issues - and ultimately had to make a crash landing in water. In this scenerio he would have done the best he could to keep the plane in one piece, and he may have succeeded, however the plane may have quickly sunk leaving no trace. Also in this scenerio, if the plane was in a shallow sea (eg gulf of thai or near the andaman island, could the transmittor have kept 'pinging' for sometime after sinking?
its just a theory so don't be to harsh ZH'rs. But without any trace of this plane in ovr a week it may be a possibility that it sunk whole, or in 3 larger sections..........?
So you think a guy who was upset about lack of democracy and rule of law would have... killed a bunch of innocent (mainly) Chinese people and himself while leaving no indication that he actually did do it nor a reason why? That just doesn't sing quite right to me.
yeah...that would be kinda weird. kinda like "talking about it on the news 24/7 but not bringing this simple fact up" as well. "just in time for Russia to invade/not invade Ukraine" no less.
OK Dianne. One LAST time. Russia DID NOT 'invade' Crimea. That is all bullshit.
Do I know why they choose to be subjects?
Is it possible for me to know the mind of Crimea?
No.
But I support self determination wherever I find it, and right now, I find it in Crimea.
A closet Zionist, acetinker?
The old Soviet Union drove tens of thousands of Crimean Tartars out of their country at gunpoint and started bussing in truckloads of Soviet citizens with promises of free land and maybe no bullet to the head (in case the offer wasn't enticing enough). Twenty, maybe thirty years of ethnic cleansing / emigree-stuffing later and now you declare your support for 'self determination' of Russian squatters / forced emigrees? That's how street gangs work, isn't it?
This is right out of Israel's playbook: infiltration and squatting until the Palestinian cleansing is nearly complete, then force the remaining into concentration camps. The Israelis incrementally 'self determine' that the squatters land is really a part of Israel and the left-over Palestinian are human garbage that needs to be exterminated.
The only reason I'm so sensitive to this type of hypocracy is because the terrorists that founded my country used the same ethnic cleansing and genocide to immorally seize a good chunk of land in North America.
Crimea was never the property of the USSR to be given away to begin with. Ask Turkey about the hundreds of years-old treaty that the USSR backdoored by stuffing Crimea with Russians.
That's sorta like blaming Obama for slavery or the trail of tears though, isn't it? Putin is not responsible for any of the tactics used before he was born. No one can change the past, not even Rad Vlad.
Ditching scenario is credible, though it is probable someone would get out of the aircraft unless, like you said, they were already dead or incapacitated. The only rub in the concept is the SAT pings 8 hours into the flight.
My thought is that somehow everyone on the aircraft is killed and the plane autopilots to some place in the Indian ocean before running out of fuel and crashing into the sea. If so, eventually, some debris will wash up somewhere. This has happened before with small private jets and such.
I think there was an electrical fire in the cockpit that knocked out the comms systems and eventually overcame the pilots. They may have set the way points in the NAV system to spend as little time as possible in a smoke filled, and possibly, buring cockpit, or to get the plane moving to an emergency airport without their hands-on attention while the spent their time fighting the fire.
As someone else speculated, they may have climbed to 45,000 feet to try and starve the fire of oxygen, but if not de-energized, electrical fires will just come back to life when supplied new oxygen.
Of course, this is just wild assed guessing.
No, the SAT system would not ping if underwater. The frequency would not propogate under water.
I don't believe for an instant that this guy the head pilot commited suicide aka religeous fervor. For a man that is being potrayed that he wanted to take all the passengers out, he went out of his way to make sure that they aren't even found let alone seen again. In fact he could have just flew for an hour and then took a header into the ocean with the plane. He took alot of care to make sure the plane isn't found, that doesn't sound like a religious zealot who wants his fervor known. This feels more like he wanted to get this plane somewhere without being noticed.
Either the cargo had something that others wanted aka gold or something, or this plane is going to be used for an attack.
Precisely Buck.
Unless he wanted to die in a particular place, but still makes no sense to hide the plane and then crash it. I am of the belief the plane might have had weapons on board or will be used with weapons placed on board.
The first turn was programmed, not joysticked. The flight path could have even been set by someone on the ground before the flight. There was no need to have a pilot. They could have killed everyone including the pilots at 45K with depressurization.
This rest of the flight could have been done with remote control. People in the Maldives reported seeing a similar plane at low altitude heading south. South of the Maldives is Diego Garcia. The runway at DG can be approached from the NW.
Why? No idea.
won't get that on the news will ya?!!! even though that is the ONLY thing everyone knows is true.
Sound's like an "intifada" to me...but not of the Muslim kind.
maybe there was someone on that plane with information that was deemed vital enough to possibley kill and entire plane full of Chinese for
Found it:
https://baltimore.craigslist.org/for/4377783540.html
Actually, the same ad showed up on Vietnam's Carigslist about a week ago ...
Are the ACARS and transponders working? Those things cost a fortune to replace. Also, check between seat cusions for human body fluids. Corpse-stink doesn't come out no matter what - even with a whole bottle of Mountain Fresh Fabreeze.
This seems like the most logical answer:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
Agreed, came here to link that if no one else had.
Occam's Razor, " among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected."
Worth the read if only for an experienced expert's POV.
Yeah, I think due to mechanical issues the plane crashed in jungle - Thai, Malay or Viet.
The huge and gaping problem with that theory is that the left turn in question was not done on manual control (as it would be during an emergency) but was programmed into the flight computer. If you have an emergent situation, you are not fiddling around keystroking into the flight computer.
We shall meet in the Second Battle of Britain
Thanks Bonz. I'm going with, I think the airplane was highjacked by aliens.
maybe it was like the Haley/Bopp people. "they saw the Alien ship and the passengers demanded to be taken to it."
Excellency: "Good. It gives good cover for the USSA cigar-shaped FO and whip those sheeples up to a frenzy, so they can start the "war of the worlds"." "Time to phone home: "Work's almost complete.""
Agree WB7, if the MAS has the guts, it should be able to point the finger to "US"
http://greatgameindia.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/mh370-mystery-suspicious-...
Wait for it. Wait for it. of i forgot
Maybe it will appear here:
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?263609-Villa-International-...
Or here ... https://plus.google.com/110192720126882462515/about?gl=us&hl=en
Another island within range; Cocos (Keeling island) with a long runway, low population, and south of the Maldives with no US military, and a strange mention on the map of a "Quarantine Station".
The Plot thickens
what scares me is people taking advantage of people who may have lost/have lost love one's. it really is awful to have the folks come on the air...to have them interviewed. the Government should give the media holy hell for that in my view.
But as with so many other things "they say nothing."
...the Government should give the media holy hell for that in my view.
Why should any Government stifle free speech and a free press?
You are so damned anti-Liberty. What a statist!!!
The real question: were there MF snakes on that plane?!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUgWhUkkzr4&feature=share
My money's on finding it in the drink. Hopefully with no trace of the passengers.
Yea, that dirty bomb for which they told us all to buy plastic and duct tape. haha
Was Snowden on Board, since there is a reference to passenger from Russia??????
It's interesting that none of the mainstream reports that I've seen mention the 20 engineers who all worked for Freescale Semiconductors that were on board this flight. They supposedly design advanced weapons systems for military including radar evading technology...partially owned by Blackstone and Carlyle Group. Coincidence???
That's funny yesterday we're told that freescale makes Obama chip, a digistible RFID computer, and that all patent holders were on board, and should they die that Rothschild automatically get's the patent, now we're told they were RADAR experts...
I suggest you google "freescale" and learn about what they make,...
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Freescale makes CHIPS, they're not a provider of RADAR solutions, they're a normal company, but it appears that the OBAMA-CARE chip was chosen to be the CHIP for every world citizen to have inserted in his body, thus he controls the back-door of this chip, controls all life on the planet.
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Freescale Semiconductor Employees Confirmed Passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370
AUSTIN, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Mar. 8, 2014-- Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) has confirmed that 20 of its employees were confirmed passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Twelve are from Malaysia and eight are from China. The entire Freescale Semiconductor community is deeply saddened by this news. The company is continuing to monitor the situation and will provide more information as it becomes available.
“At present, we are solely focused on our employees and their families,” said Gregg Lowe, president and CEO, Freescale. “Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected by this tragic event.”
The company has assembled counselors and other professionals through Freescale’s Employee Assistance Program, with around-the-clock support for those impacted by this tragedy.
About Freescale Semiconductor
Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) is a global leader in embedded processing solutions, providing industry leading products that are advancing the automotive, consumer, industrial and networking markets. From microprocessors and microcontrollers to sensors, analog integrated circuits and connectivity – our technologies are the foundation for the innovations that make our world greener, safer, healthier and more connected. Some of our key applications and end-markets include automotive safety, hybrid and all-electric vehicles, next generation wireless infrastructure, smart energy management, portable medical devices, consumer appliances and smart mobile devices
The reports are 20 and seem to be confirmed by the company itself. Yes I googled them yesterday. This story just gets weirder and weirder.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-w...
To say that they are not involved in radar solutions is inaccurate. This is from Bloomberg
Freescale Semiconductor Releases First 11 RF Power Products Suitable for U.S.-Based Defense Market Applications
Mar 3 14
Freescale Semiconductor announced the availability of 11 new commercial RF power LDMOS products that can meet the requirements of U.S. defense electronics applications. This is the first set of products released as part of the company's strategic defense initiatives for its RF power business, announced in June 2013. Freescale now offers the level of support provided in other markets to U.S. defense systems customers, enabling them to optimize the performance of these RF devices for radar, military communications and electronic warfare applications. The products are included in Freescale's Product Longevity Program to assure their availability for a minimum of 10 or 15 years, depending on the product. In addition, Freescale's dedicated team of RF defense market specialists have ITAR-compliant systems and processes to enable them to work with defense customers on projects that are subject to the ITAR requirements. Among the notable devices now available are: The MMRF1305HS a ruggedized 100 watt RF power LDMOS transistor capable of coverage spanning 30 MHz to 1000 MHz with only two bands. Capable of performing into 65:1 VSWRs, this device is suitable for high load mismatch applications. The MMRF1306H -- a highly rugged 1.25 kW RF power LDMOS transistor designed for use in high VSWR CW and pulse applications such as HF, VHF and low-band UHF radar and radio communications. Multiple applications circuits are available to demonstrate device performance at different frequencies and signal types.
Its the Globalists planning a terror attack on the nations they occupy.
Not necessarily but possible. At this point they would have a plane that no longer exists. Repaint and reprogram so it presents itself as another plane entirely and viola - a ghost.
Secret cargo - I will take suitcase nuclear weapon with shielding to escape detection for 100 Alex. Bibi is going to drop a small bomb on itself in some remote region so it can drop some on Iran. I will guess bombs can be traced to to site of manufacture based on composition and impurities. Therefore you need to create one with a signature that can be traced back to Iran. Of course repainting and sending out with a nuke on board would be a significant evolution in the plane as a weapon for social change.
The plane flew for 7 hours - it had more than enough fuel to make it to Diego Garcia. It wouldn't land in Male as there is a large civilian population and no hangers there to hide the plane.
It went to Diego Garcia... where it is now is anyones guess.
No No No! According to this concise article, it went here;
SERGIO GARCIA
Now a GOLFER is a suspect!
Now maybe this case will get the duffer in chief's proper attention.....Pretty sure some demands and repercussions are in order for distracting from his Munich moment...LMFAO!
Both are wrong, I know for a fact it went to GABRIEL GARCIA.
It went to juanitos pad where they fitted it with daytons and hydraulics
Rumor has it it will feature snoopdog and pharrel in the upcomming "Soul Plane 2" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367085/
Diego Garcia is a US base hosting nuclear bombers. It is surely continously monitored by Russian, and maybe also Chinese, satellites.
Had the plane landed there, Russia would know for sure.
Triple-strength tinfoil hat rebuttal: Unless it was cloaked!
I think it goes without saying that the U.S., Russia, and China ALL know where this plane went.
The negotiations are ongoing...
The Chinese and Russians know that WTC7 didn't collapse due to fires, but they didn't say crap about that either
Russian satellites can't see Diego Garcia very well when it's night time.
It was broad daylight when the plane landed.
Too much silence on the part of governments and military's.
Satellites and subs and ocean sonar nets and nothing?
And was it carrying 2.5 tonnes of Gold?
Too many questions. I'm just hoping it is found so I don't have to keep seeing the CGI animations of the plane and the endless speculation and tidbits of unconfirmed suppositions without anyone telling us what was in the cargo hold that would be worth kidnapping/killing 238 people.
"I'm just hoping it is found so I don't have to keep seeing the CGI animations of the plane and the endless speculation..."
More cartoons of mass distraction?
My thoughts exactly. Because CNN is playing non stop coverage , it's a total distraction from something else big happening.
Good point. The entire area is at the heart of US Naval Intelligence. A fishing boat doesn't go untracked. All aircraft are tracked, ALL of them. If US Military Intelligence doesn't say anything, well, how can they not know.
In the feeble minds of the paranoid MIC drone, it would confirm that the US Naval "Intelligence" has "capabilities" ....capabilities that everybody else already presumes they have.
An account of the Glomar Explorer described "fishing boats" that monitored them. They were Soviet listening boats. So, yeah, many fishing boats are tracked.
I do not believe the plane could have made it all the way to a safe landing in Somalia flying that low.
Maybe he flew so low, so as to take advantage of ground effect and reduce fuel consumption 75%?
For working ground effect, one would need to fly within a half-wingspan of the 'ground' or ocean. That would be about 150 feet above the waves, not 5k as reported.
Try again.
How can the altitude be known, if the plane was off all radar?
still no aliens mentioned. Coincidence?
see above :)
Fine. The Mexicans did it. Happy?
I am tired of hearing about "De Plane". My Full Orwell theory is that there never was a flight 370. ;-).
"We've always been at war with Malayasia."
But few knew in 1983!
Paging Grant Sheckly...
Maybe never having taken off (on it's scheduled route) is a possibility.
The Malaysian incumbents were most likely blackmailed by powers bigger than them.
Here is a new hypothesis: the Russians hacked the plane and made it crash on the way to Diego Garcia. The goal is to discredit the US, annoy the Chinese, and distract everyone from Ukraine. The US spooks know this, but don't want to publicly admit that a 777 could be hacked.
While I doubt an original 777 could be remotely controlled, if some components were secretly replaced before final shipment or during maintenance, it is certainly plausible for such a fly-by-wire plane. What if NSA did fix up the plane and the Russians found out because of Snowden?
A delux can of spooky worms.
MA 370 will be found by Beth and her husband, Dog the Bounty Hunter.
Until then, carry on with the Fed buying stocks.
All Hail another day of profits for VIRTU!!!
The dingo ate my aireoplane, mate!
fair dinkum mate
Is Tom Hanks gonna be the pilot when the movie comes out?
I don't want to sound insensitve since so many perished on this flight but can we PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT IT! It doesn't matter what happened. It's gone. It more than likely crashed.
I've heard the "long runway theory" from people days ago. Don't you think anyone else would have thought of this and looked for it? Oh, that's right, it MUST be a conspiracy to cover something up so if it did land at Diego Garcia, it wouldn't be reported, blah, blah, blah.
Please, let's all move on.
yes lets focus on 28 year old former JPM gofers falling from the sky because they knew too much.
Golfers? Did Sergio Garcia jump to his death?
Right after he three putted #7 fior a double bogey.
Maybe he fell out of a tree.
Right .... "What does it matter"
I recently read a story here on Zero Hedge concerning paid .gov disinfo agents...
I put that link around here somewhere...
This one?
Israeli Students Paid $2000 Each to Troll the Internet
http://tinyurl.com/p2verqv
You sound like someone with something to hide. Anything you'd like to share about flight MH370?
Paging Mr Wang, Mr. Hairy Wang.
Hillary, is that you?
It does not matter what happened? Are you high. ?
Ww3 is about to begin and it does not matter ? Stick your head back in the sand.
And the Maldives are a victim of Climate Change...
Aha!
It was a gold confiscation Tinky, I told ya so.
...pilots Captain Zaharie Ahmed Shah, 53 and 27-year-old co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid.
Well damn, there's your problem right there. If those aren't some of the most terrorist sounding names I've heard in awhile. Holy Shiite!
I vote for the two Iranians with false passports. They weren't terrorists per se, but they were specially trained Iranian government agents with knowledge of how to disable the transponders and fly the plane. They disabled the pilots and took the plane to Iran, where the passengers will be offloaded and an Iranian nuke will be onloaded. Soon it will fly into US airport in the shadow of another passenger plane and the nuke will be detonated.
Either that, or the butler did it.
Talk about flying in the shadow of another passenger plane. A new conspiracy theory has been hatched on of all places, Prison Planet.
New theory, read this.
A Conspiracy Theory on Prison Planet?
You don't say....
Unfortunately (or fortunately, from whatever perspective one desires) most all of AJ's so called Conspiracy Theories over the years have come to Conspiracy Fact.
MH-370 flys in SIA-68 blind-zone ...
There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xingjian province,
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It's a well thought out theory,
Certainly do-able.
Could be cover for how it was done later when the CIA goes active with the mission, this way they can deny they went north, and the 'south' story hold's up.
Thus IMHO this may very well be the CIA cover story that be told eventually of "HOW the plane made it to Xinggian/Kazak"
Google trends "Diego Garcia" search index:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=diego%20garcia&cmpt=q
What happened in December 2004?
A spy thriller. Russian intelligence, dead navy seals, hijacked airliner...
http://pakistancyberforce.blogspot.com/
Very interesting. But seems to go unnoticed here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_1862
Don't ask, don't tell.
Smells like government involvement of some description. Question is, which?
Can't exactly slip through somwhere with it hidden anally, that's for sure, even for the biggest asshole on the planet!
Uninteresting, next question would be what kind of fighter escort it will receive on its way to Tel Aviv - F15s ? F22s ? F35?
F35s likely struggle to keep up - pilots are too busy worrying about breathing, so you should maybe take that off the list.
If Diego is the spot, then I'd say your onto something, except it won't need an escort with its nice new paint job.
But everybody already knows - not that it bothers the scriptwriters of this dross in Hollywood and BC...
Yeah...that's the first place TSA would look anyway.
It will turn out to be #5. Least interesting, most plausible. The skepticism re: programming the computer to fly during an emergency rather than assuming manual control is misplaced. Computer control is more fuel efficient, a smart, experienced captain would prefer it in such an emergency.
You immediately descend with cockpit cabin fire of known or unknown origin. No descent, no emergency.
How about a fire elsewhere in the plane? I doubt it was the cockpit. Whereever it was, it killed the transponders, but not the flight computer.
Any fire anywhere in the airplane you immediately descend. You want to get below 10,000 feet quickly.
Maybe go to 45,000 to snuff it out?
So no air for the fire at 45,000 feet and no air for anyone else. These procedures were not produced by kindergarten kids.
The records allege that the plane did go to 45,000 feet at some point in its flight; if not to knock out the passengers and/or crew or extinguish fire, why?
What benefit would there be to flying at 10,000 feet while on fire, over the ocean?
One reason to ascend to 45,000 feet is to maximize your comms footprint. To talk to someone in, say, Diego Garcia, to receive further instructions. Maybe.
Too easy. Must've been the weather!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course Al-Qaeda was brought up since NOTHING IN THIS WORLD can happen without the idiot west media and politicians bringing up AQ. I am so sick of this bullshit.
I still stand by my theory it has landed on an invisible island. JJ Abrams could see inot the future!
Respect if this was hijacked because the plane was carrying something valuable and the people behind it got away with it without anyone having a clue.
The ~3500kg of Chinese owned gold bullion onboard is the elephant in the room.
If I was a global superpower wanting to teach the chinese a lesson for making threats about dumping my treasuries, I would arrange a hijack, land it on my military base in the remote Indian Ocean, unload the gold, then dump the plane (with mainly Chinese nationals onboard) in the ocean.
Then I'd have my ambassador drop one of the serialised gold bars back with the Chinese, with a "don't devalue our bonds" note attached.
Very low collateral damage.
Man, oh man, if gold is at the center of this it would just be hilarious, because the MSM have been saying for years how OVERVALUED and WORTHLESS (and not to mention, not backed by anything) gold is!
the gold would be insured - no biggie
They'd get a cash settlement not replacement phys, hardly what I'd call insurance.
Unfortunately, bullion and coins are nigh possible to insure in any material size. There is not a commerical bullion vault that's gold inventory is insured.
Hey Knuks
Thats interesting and understandable for the vaults. But are you saying that the airlines cannot get cargo insurance .
You do realize that ~3500kg is only ~123,458 ounces don't you?
Not much of a bargaining chip against over a trillion in Treasuries.
Can't pin it on the Saudis (although who would want to), they already have 10,000+ tonnes of AU.
Do they now. Where is it stored?
seems like you have quite a swinger in your team... at the beginning you are talking about sergio garcia..hahahahaa
"....home-made flight simulator had been loaded five Indian Ocean practice runways, among which those of Male in the Maldives, that of the US owned base at Sergio Garcia"
SERGIO??!!!! OK Papi....give us back the plane!!!
Memo to self...Stick head into cockpit while boarding every future flight.....if pilots do not look like me,turn around !!!
Guess you won't be flying with any women pilots!
And anyway if guys fly in a cockpit, what do women fly in.........
A vagina monologue.
I've heard 'em make noises, but never heard one talk.
Except for politicians, of course.
If I ever encounter pilots remind me of myself, I'll be getting my ass right off that plane.
RMS Lusitania
RMS Empress of Ireland
For those who are puzzled with these two choices, the RMS Empress of Ireland sank with a greater loss of life than the Titanic, but WWI broke out one month later and pretty much everyone forgot about it.
The RMS Lusitania sinking helped fan the flames to get the US involved in WWI 2 years later.
Are you implying that this is China's Lusitania ?
I am implying nothing good is going to come from this for anyone.
It is meant to kill people and then kill some more people.
The USA has been sending "CHINESE CIA TALEBAN" for months now to kill Chinese,
Yes, this is to draw CHINA into WW3, but to be on the side of the USA,
Somehow the CIA, when this is all over is going to find some smoking gun pointing to PUTIN.
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China doesn't want war, but this killing innocents in CHINA, is going drive the 'little people' mad, and the CIA knows this.
War will be in Uigher, the USA/Israel wants Kazak, CHINA just needs to make it appear that some thing is being done, PUTIN will go NUTS in anger.
All according to plan,
Worldwide culling, major war, USD reset to IMF SDR, and CHINESE as allies, and MSM/ZH beating drum.
[ CIA -> ZIO MOSSAD ]
Now that's just not good.
This chap has an interesting theory:
Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?http://mh370shadow.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disap...