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Did Missing Flight MH370 Land In The Maldives Or Diego Garcia: The Full Updated Summary

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Well over a week after the disappearance of flight MH370 - which now is the longest official disappearance of a modern jet in aviation history - with no official trace of the missing plane yet revealed, the investigation, which as we reported over the weekend has focused on the pilots and specifically on Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, earlier today revealed that on his home-made flight simulator had been loaded five Indian Ocean practice runways, among which those of Male in the Maldives, that of the US owned base at Sergio Garcia, as well as other runways in India and Sri Lanka - all notable runways as all are possible landing spots based on the flight's potential trajectories. The Malay Mail Online reported, "The simulation programmes are based on runways at the Male International Airport in Maldives, an airport owned by the United States (Diego Garcia), and three other runways in India and Sri Lanka, all have runway lengths of 1,000 metres."

“We are not discounting the possibility that the plane landed on a runway that might not be heavily monitored, in addition to the theories that the plane landed on sea, in the hills, or in an open space,” the source was quoted as saying.

At this point the facts in the case are about as sketchy as any "data" on US Treasury holdings, but here is what was said on the record:

"Although Malay Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein denied yesterday that the plane had landed at US military base Diego Garcia, the source told the daily that this possibility will still be investigated based on the data found in Zaharie’s flight simulator software. The police had seized the flight simulator from the 53-year-old pilot’s house in Shah Alam on Saturday and reassembled it at the police headquarters where experts are conducting checks."

Previous reports indicated that the plane flew towards Checkpoint Gival, south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another checkpoint, Igrex, used for route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.

Still, the Maldives news is of particular note since earlier today, Haaveru Online, quoted locals who said they had seen a "low flying jet" whose description is approximate to what flight MH370 looked like. From the source:

Whilst the disappearance of the Boeing 777 jet, carrying 239 passengers has left the whole world in bewilderment, several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo told Haveeru on Tuesday that they saw a "low flying jumbo jet" at around 6:15am on March 8.

 

They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which is what the Malaysia Airlines flights typically look like.

 

Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.

 

"I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly," said an eyewitness.

 

"It's not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too."

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A local aviation expert told Haveeru that it is "likely" for MH370 to have flown over the Maldives. The possibility of any aircraft flying over the island at the reported time is extremely low, the expert added.

So did the pilot hijack the plane, reprogram the flight path, turn off the transponder, and fly low above the surface and below radar all the way to the Maldives, or alternatively, US airbase, Diego Garcia, where Captain Shah promptly offloaded 20+ tons of still unknown cargo? Some experts opine on just this, by way of the Telegraph:

If the Maldive lead turns out to be a strong one, then the next question is: could the plane conceivably have flown to Somalia? Or somewhere in the southern Arabian peninsula or Iran? Somalia seems a much more likely destination for a hijacker with its known al-Qaeda connections.

And this:

Kaminski Morrow adds:

- The plane, a Boeing 777-200, was capable of travelling as far as the Maldives

 

- Male is the main airport but the sighting appears to have come from an atoll a long way south

 

- Commercial aircraft-tracking software, while not always reliable, doesn’t seem to show any other nearby traffic with which a sighting might have been confused

 

It is all hugely, hugely tentative - and I wouldn't want to vouch for the newspaper which is the source of this information.

 

But theoretically it could be possible.

 

The vital detail is the fuel; Malaysia Airlines has not said how much fuel was on board, other than to say "enough for the trip to Beijing".

 

Therefore we can't tell if that was enough to loop around and make it back to the Maldives.

So far there have been few firm theories about MH370 having landed on the US airbase in the middle of the Indian Ocean, some 800 miles south of Male in the Maldives.

ABC had this to say:

Theories about what happened to missing Malaysia Flight MH370 now span a 2 million-plus square mile area of open ocean and southeast Asian land, including one mysterious island in the Indian Ocean known as Diego Garcia.

 

While aviation experts and armchair theorists continue to come up with plausible locations, the jet could have landed or crashed. Many theories have included Diego Garcia as a notable landing strip.

 

The island atoll is a British territory in the central Indian Ocean and is home to a United States Navy support facility — not exactly a U.S. base, but a home for 1700 military personnel, 1,500 civilian contractors, and various Naval equipment.

 

The island — named after 16th century Spanish explorer Diego Garcia de Moguer — gained some notoriety in the past 10 years after reports claimed that the U.S. used Diego Garcia to transport and detain alleged terrorists.

Expect the US military to have zero official comments on the matter, and even less if indeed MH370 landed there, or merely used the base as a transit stop on its route further west, potentially to Africa.

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There are other theories of course, some of which involve none other than such aviation experts as US politicians.

Michael McCaul, a Republican congressman from Texas, who chairs the House Homeland Security Committee, said that the plane may have actually landed and could be used by terrorist groups.

 

John Cornyn, a senator from Texas, helpfully tweeted a link to possible runways where the plane could have landed.

 

Peter King, a Republican congressman representing New York, suggests the Chinese have doctored some of their satellite images to hide the sophistication of their systems.

 

But Mr King said he was not aware of terrorist "chatter". He said on This Week:

 

QuoteNo, there's been no terrorist connections whatsoever. There's been no terrorist chatter. There's nothing out there indicating it's terrorists. Doesn't mean it's not, but so far nothing has been picked up by the intelligence community from Day One.

 

I still have questions about the two Iranians who were on the plane, but again, that could be a side issue. The fact is nothing has come up indicating a terrorist nexus.

Going back to what is known, here is a full and updated timeline of all events that took place, by way of BBC:

The search operation is now concentrating on huge areas to the north and south of Malaysia, after locational 'pings' detected by a satellite appeared to indicate the plane was somewhere on an arc stretching either north up to to Central Asia, or south, to the Indian Ocean and Australia.

 

Evidence revealed on Saturday 15 March by the Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak suggested the jet was deliberately diverted by someone on board about an hour after takeoff.

When was the last contact made?

Graphic: How planes can be tracked

 

Flight MH370 departed from Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 00:41 on Saturday (16:41 GMT Friday), and was due to arrive in Beijing at 06:30 (22:30 GMT).

 

Malaysia Airlines says the plane lost contact less than an hour after takeoff.

 

No distress signal or message was sent.

 

The ACARS - a service that allows computers aboard the plane to "talk" to computers on the ground - was silenced some time after 01:07 as the plane crossed Malaysia's east coast.

 

At about 01:19 the co-pilot was heard to say: "All right, good night".

 

The plane's transponder, which communicates with ground radar, was shut down soon after this final communication, as the aircraft crossed from Malaysian air traffic control into Vietnamese airspace over the South China Sea.

 

At 01:37 the next ACARS transmission was due, but never sent.

Graphic: Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER
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What happened next?

The plane's planned route would have taken it north-eastwards, over Cambodia and Vietnam, and the initial search focused on the South China Sea, south of Vietnam's Ca Mau peninsula.

 

But evidence from a military radar, revealed later, suggested the plane had suddenly changed from its northerly course to head west. So the search, involving dozens of ships and planes, then switched to the sea west of Malaysia.

 

MH370's last communication with a satellite, disclosed a week after the plane's disappearance, suggested the jet was in one of two flight corridors, one stretching north between Thailand and Kazakhstan, the other south between Indonesia and the southern Indian Ocean.

 

The timing of the last confirmed communication with a satellite was 08:11 (00:11 GMT), meaning that the Boeing continued flying for nearly seven hours after contact with air traffic control was lost.

 

Investigators are making further calculations to establish how far the plane might have flown after the last point of contact.line break

 

Who was on board?

Arni Marlina, 36, a family member of a passenger onboard Flight MH370, shows a family picture on her mobile phone, at a hotel in Putrajaya, Malaysia, 9 March Muhammad Razahan Zamani (bottom right), 24, and his wife Norli Akmar Hamid, 33, were on their honeymoon on the missing flight. The phone is being held by his stepsister, Arni Marlina

The 12 crew members were all Malaysian, led by pilots Captain Zaharie Ahmed Shah, 53 and 27-year-old co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid.

 

Police have searched their homes and a flight simulator has been taken from the captain's home and reassembled for examination at police headquarters.

 

It is now believed that co-pilot Hamid spoke the last words heard from the plane, "All right, good night" - but it it not clear whether this was before or after the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) had been deliberately switched off.

 

There were 227 passengers, including 153 Chinese and 38 Malaysians, according to the manifest. Seven were children.

 

Other passengers came from Iran, the US, Canada, Indonesia, Australia, India, France, New Zealand, Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan and the Netherlands.

 

Among the Chinese nationals were a delegation of 19 prominent artists who had attended an exhibition in Kuala Lumpur.

 

With so many of their nationals aboard, the Chinese Government has been very involved in the search, expressing barely-concealed frustration with the lack of progress.

 

Malaysia Airlines said there were four passengers who checked in for the flight but did not show up at the airport.

 

Malaysia plane: Who were the passengers?

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Could it have been a terrorist attack?

Malaysian PM Najib Razak, 15 March 2014The plane was deliberately diverted, the Malaysian PM told a news conference

The aircraft's change of direction was consistent with "deliberate action on the plane", the Malaysian authorities said.

 

But it remains unclear whether the course change was carried out by the air crew or flight-trained hijackers onboard.

 

So far no known or credible terror group has emerged to claim responsibility.

 

Initial investigations concentrated on two passengers found to be travelling on stolen passports.

 

The two Iranian men - 19-year-old Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad and Delavar Seyed Mohammadreza, 29 - were later found to headed for Europe via Beijing, and had no apparent links to terrorist groups.

Other theories for a crash

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER taking off from Narita Airport near Tokyo, Japan, April 2013A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER taking off from Narita Airport near Tokyo, Japan, last year

Some initial theories suggested that the aircraft could have suffered a disastrous mid-air decompression, but Malaysian authorities say they are now almost entirely focused on the actions of the crew.

 

Captain Zaharie Ahmed Shah, who had more than 18,000 flying hours behind him, had been employed by the airline since 1981.

 

Weather conditions for this flight were good.

 

Malaysia Airlines has a good safety record and the jet, a Boeing 777-200ER, is said to be one of the safest because of its modern technology.

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Finally, for those who still have lingering questions, here also from the BBC, is a compendium of 10 theories attempting to explain the fate of the missing airliner.

1. Landed in the Andaman Islands

The plane was apparently at one stage heading in the direction of India's Andaman and Nicobar Islands, the most easterly part of Indian territory, which lies between Indonesia and the coast of Thailand and Burma. It has been reported that military radar there might not even have been operating, as the threat level is generally perceived to be low.

The editor of the islands' Andaman Chronicle newspaper dismisses the notion that the aircraft could be there. There are four airstrips but planes landing would be spotted, he told CNN. He also believed monitoring by the Indian military would prevent an airliner being able to land there unnoticed. But this is an isolated spot. There are more than 570 islands, only 36 of which are inhabited. If the plane had been stolen, this might be the best place to land it secretly, says Steve Buzdygan, a former BA 777 pilot. It would be difficult, but not impossible, to land on the beach, he says. At least 5,000ft (1500m) or so would make a long enough strip to land on.

It would be theoretically possible but extremely difficult. With such a heavy aeroplane, using the landing gear might lead to the wheels digging into the sand and sections of undercarriage being ripped off. "If I was landing on a beach I would keep the wheels up," says Buzdygan. But in this type of crash landing, the danger would also be damage to the wings, which are full of fuel, causing an explosion. Even if landed safely, it is unlikely the plane would be able to take off again.

2. Flew to Kazakhstan

The Central Asian republic is at the far end of the northern search corridor, so the plane could hypothetically have landed there. Light aircraft pilot Sylvia Wrigley, author of Why Planes Crash, says landing in a desert might be possible and certainly more likely than landing on a beach somewhere. "To pull this off, you are looking at landing in an incredibly isolated area," says Wrigley. The failure so far to release a cargo manifest has created wild rumours about a valuable load that could be a motive for hijacking. There has also been speculation that some of those on board were billionaires.

But the plane would have been detected, the Kazakh Civil Aviation Committee said in a detailed statement sent to Reuters. And there's an even more obvious problem. The plane would have had to cross the airspace of countries like India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, which are all usually in a high state of military preparedness. But it's just possible that there are weak links in the radar systems of some of the countries en route to Central Asia, Wrigley speculates. "A lot of air traffic control gear is old. They might be used to getting false positives from flocks of birds and, therefore, it would be easy to discount it."

3. It flew south

The final satellite "ping" suggests the plane was still operational for at least five or six hours after leaving Malaysian radar range. For Norman Shanks, former head of group security at airports group BAA, and professor of aviation security at Coventry University, the search should therefore start from the extremes of the corridors and work up, rather than the other way around. He thinks the southern corridor is more likely for a plane that has so far avoided detection by radar.

The southern arc leads to the huge open spaces of the Indian Ocean, and then to Australia's empty northern hinterland. Without knowing the motive, it is hard to speculate where the plane's final destination was intended to be. But the plane may just have carried on until it ran out of fuel and then glided and crashed into the sea somewhere north of Australia.

4. Taklamakan Desert, north-west China

There has been speculation on forums that the plane could have been commandeered by China's Uighur Muslim separatists. Out of the plane's 239 passengers, 153 were Chinese citizens. One possible destination in this theory would be China's Taklamakan Desert. The region - described by Encyclopaedia Britannica as a "great desert of Central Asia and one of the largest sandy deserts in the world" - has no shortage of space far from prying eyes. The BBC's Jonah Fisher tweeted on 15 March: "Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border."

But again, this theory rests on an extraordinary run through the radar systems of several countries.

5. It was flown towards Langkawi island because of a fire or other malfunction

The loss of transponders and communications could be explained by a fire, aviation blogger Chris Goodfellow has suggested. The left turn that the plane made, deviating from the route to Beijing, could have been a bid to reach safety, he argues. "This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport." He aimed to avoid crashing into a city or high ridges, Goodfellow argues. "Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000ft (4,000m) strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lumpur because he knew he had 8,000ft ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance." In this theory it would be assumed that the airliner did not make it to Langkawi and crashed into the sea.

But Goodfellow's theory has been disputed. If the course was changed during a major emergency, one might expect it to be done using manual control. But the left turn was the result of someone in the cockpit typing "seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials", the New York Times reported. The paper says this "has reinforced the belief of investigators - first voiced by Malaysian officials - that the plane was deliberately diverted and that foul play was involved."

6. The plane is in Pakistan

Media tycoon Rupert Murdoch has tweeted: "World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden." But Pakistan has strenuously denied that this would be possible. The country's assistant to the prime minister on aviation, Shujaat Azeem, has been reported as saying: "Pakistan's civil aviation radars never spotted this jet, so how it could be hidden somewhere in Pakistan?" Like the Kazakhstan theory, this all seems far-fetched, not least because the junction between Indian and Pakistani air space is one of the most watched sectors in the world by military radar. And despite the remoteness and lawlessness of northern Pakistan, the region is watched closely by satellites and drones. It seems scarcely believable to think an airliner could get there unspotted.

7. The plane hid in the shadow of another airliner

Aviation blogger Keith Ledgerwood believes the missing plane hid in the radar shadow of Singapore Airlines flight 68. The Singaporean airliner was in the same vicinity as the Malaysian plane, he argues. "It became apparent as I inspected SIA68's flight path history that MH370 had manoeuvred itself directly behind SIA68 at approximately 18:00UTC and over the next 15 minutes had been following SIA68." He believes that the Singaporean airliner would have disguised the missing plane from radar controllers on the ground. "It is my belief that MH370 likely flew in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan airspace. As MH370 was flying 'dark' without a transponder, SIA68 would have had no knowledge that MH370 was anywhere around, and as it entered Indian airspace, it would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens." The Singapore Airlines plane flew on to Spain. The Malaysian jet could have branched off. "There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xinjiang, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan," Ledgerwood argues.

Prof Hugh Griffiths, radar expert at University College London, says it sounds feasible. But there is a difference between military and civilian radar. Civilian radar works by means of a transponder carried by the aircraft - a system known as secondary radar. The military use primary radar and this "ought to be higher resolution". So how close would the two planes need to be? He estimates about 1000m (3300ft). It is possible military radar would be able to pick up that there were two objects, he says. "It might be able to tell the difference, to know that there are two targets." If this happens, though, there's then the question of how this is interpreted on the ground. Is it a strange echo that would be discounted? When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941, although the US radar operator detected the incoming aircraft, they were dismissed as US bombers arriving from the mainland.

8. There was a struggle

One of the hardest things to account for so far with an innocent explanation is the way the plane was flown erratically. It went far above its "ceiling", flying at 45,000ft (13,716m) before later flying very low. Big fluctuations in altitude suggest there might have been a struggle, says Buzdygan. Post-9/11, cockpit doors have been strengthened against the possibility of hijack but there are still scenarios where access could be gained. Pilots talk to each other "over a beer" about how they'd deal with hijackers, he says. Buzdygan would have had no qualms about flying aggressively to try to resist a hijack. "I'd try to disorientate and confuse the hijackers by throwing them around," he says.

9. The passengers were deliberately killed by decompression

Another theory circulating is that the plane was taken up to 45,000ft to kill the passengers quickly, former RAF navigator Sean Maffett says. The supposed motive for this might have been primarily to stop the passengers using mobile phones, once the plane descended to a much lower altitude. At 45,000ft, the Boeing 777 is way above its normal operating height. And it is possible to depressurise the cabin, notes Maffett. Oxygen masks would automatically deploy. They would run out after 12-15 minutes. The passengers - as with carbon monoxide poisoning - would slip into unconsciousness and die, he argues. But whoever was in control of the plane would also perish in this scenario, unless they had access to some other form of oxygen supply.

10. The plane will take off again to be used in a terrorist attack

One of the more outlandish theories is that the plane has been stolen by terrorists to commit a 9/11 style atrocity. It has been landed safely, hidden or camouflaged, will be refuelled and fitted with a new transponder before taking off to attack a city. It would be very hard to land a plane, hide it and then take off again, Maffett suggested. But it can't be ruled out. "We are now at stage where very, very difficult things have to be considered as all sensible options seem to have dropped off," he says. It is not clear even whether a plane could be refitted with a new transponder and given a totally new identity in this way, he says. Others would say that while it is just about feasible the plane could be landed in secret, it is unlikely it would be in a fit state to take off again.

The even more far-fetched

Many of the above theories might seem far-fetched but there are even more outlandish-sounding ones out there.

If the plane had flown up the northern corridor, experts maintain it would probably have triggered primary radar. Key countries whose airspace it might have crossed are Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, or Thailand. After 9/11, an unidentified airliner entering sovereign airspace is likely to lead to fighters being scrambled, says Maffett. "If the plane is in the northern arc it could easily have been shot down." It's a theory circulating on some forums. The notion is that no-one would want to admit shooting down an airliner full of passengers, Maffett says, and thus might currently be concealing the event.

But there are a host of holes in the theory. Firstly, the plane would still have had to avoid numerous radar systems before finally triggering one. And the nation responsible would be trying to keep secret the fate of the world's currently most-searched for object. Covering up the incident for so long would arguably make the shooting down look far worse.

A completely different thread of conspiracy theory assumes a sympathetic regime. The scepticism about flying undetected through radar changes somewhat if the hijackers are in cahoots with a country's government. There are several authoritarian regimes within the aircraft's range, but the conspiracy theory doesn't even require a government's co-operation - the hijackers could just be in cahoots with radar operators. Again, this seems to be a conspiracy of incredible complexity to be kept secret for this length of time. And what would the motive be for those colluding?

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Motive? We don't know. But then again, neither we nor anyone else appears to have seen the full cargo manifest yet, which as we said early last week may hold all the answers, and frankly we find it surprising that in a case of such magnitude this most critical unknown has been largely left untouched by everyone.

 

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Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:42 | 4565466 logicalman
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I'm not an expert on radar, but this theory could only work if there was only a single radar that could detect it.

With two separate ones, you couldn't hide from both at the same time.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:33 | 4565435 bh2
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If the pilot was as experienced and enthusiastic about flying as the news reports, he may very well have set up practice runs for alternate touchdown locations in the event of emergency.  While an experienced person may have been at the controls, we have no information to confirm that experienced person was the pilot.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:35 | 4565439 Lumberjack
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So let's think about this. Suppose the flight was taken over by a crew member and was flying toward Diego Garcia at a low level and high speed. I would expect that the radars at Diego would have picked this up and the command at Diego would have to assume it was a hostile and dangerous situation. If the plane did not respond to radio requests, it is plausable that the flight may have been shot down and that for various reasons has been kept quiet. We do know that nuclear forces are there and this would be in my mind a possibilty. Other possibilities also exist.    

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:09 | 4565762 A Nanny Moose
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...like the 3 hostile situations on 9/11?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:35 | 4565443 dogbreath
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personally - the alien abduction sounds kind of cool

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:38 | 4565457 Payne
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The whole Maldives story could have been bought, payoff the locals to confuse.  Radar operator could have been bought off as well to not notice something or to take a break at a certain time.  The plane was landed somewhere where it could take off again.  Too many uncertainities with a rough field landing or short landing.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:43 | 4565473 billwilson
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Not on the arc from the satellite. So wrong place.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:43 | 4565695 Payne
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it is not an arc,  morons.  That is the max range that the satelite can detect, coupled with the max range that the aircraft can fly gives you a search area.

 

There is a football shaped search area defined by the limits of 2 arcs, one the fuel range the other satelite reception.  Then layer in all shore base military radar on at wee hours of morning.  The last heading of the aircraft when in known radar contact should be excluded, diversion.  Then bring up all airfields active and inactive that have runway length even close.  Exclude Diego Garcia and others similar, too many people to buy off silence.  You will need to control every voice.  Landing a 777 on Diego Garcia unless in the middle of the night will get people talking, maybe you clear the base of all personel and contractors, doubt it.  You need a long decent runway 4000 ft to 5000 ft.  The last 1000 feet can be dirt.

A hangar and fuel truck. The plane could have been landed an hour after the last radar contact and the electrical system wasn't shut down on purpose to provide a wider search area. 

The story about the GRU doesn't work that would have been a last minute grab to get the cargo while in flight, but the pilots wife had gone missing prior.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:41 | 4565464 Rehab Willie
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Gan International Airport looks to be an airport in the area that can handle upto B767-300.

Might want to start with this one.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:41 | 4565465 monkeydart
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Imagine if this was just a publicity stunt for LOST season 7 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:44 | 4565480 logicalman
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Maybe there's going to be a re-release of Magical Mystery Tour.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:42 | 4565469 billwilson
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1. The plane kept flying or at least with engines on for about 8 hours ... so no to Adaman Islands, no to Maldives (not ont he arc), no to Diego Garcia (not ont he arc)

2. Radar at 3 am in thrid world coutries is suspect at best. Everyone was probably asleep. Heck the Malasians didn't even spot or react with the military radar.

3. Landing after 8 hours if they went north means probbaly still dark out so easier to land unseen.

4. The southern route works if something went wrong, otherwise why be so well planned then just fly til you run out of gas. Makes not much sense.

5. Whatever happened it looks to have been flying to the edge of its range

6. I doubt whoever did this knew about the seocndary signals .. and that is why if it was stolen, then they will be a bit worried because they thought they would have been untraceable. So hard to reuse the plane now.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:43 | 4565474 comrade rally monkey
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tinhat on:

 

shanksville and pentagon plabes also mia

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:45 | 4565481 timeless21
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Umm...maybe they decided to play some golf... 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:48 | 4565484 1stepcloser
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All I know is who needs B2 Spirits, when we can build MAL 370 Fart in the Winds wayyyyy cheaper

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:55 | 4565519 Derfman
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The Hawaiin convertible (Aloha airlines) / Payne Stewart.

A major malfunction that disabled the planes communications systems and caused the plane to decompress. The pilots initial reaction is to turn back but are then rendered unconscious......plane flies until it runs out of fuel. RIP

That is my theory and I am sticking to it

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:55 | 4565523 Aussie V
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I know what happened to that flight because I was on it. They stopped over at some God forsaken airport and have us waiting waiting waiting because of so called mechanical difficulties.

Do you know what it is like spending a week waiting for the plane to leave with 152 Chinese still not pottie trained?? as well as 2 guys who just keep telling their story how they were trying to make it to the EU after escaping out of Iran and buying stolen passports. They have been going on and on and on about how hard it was and how good it is going to be in Germany. An Iranian version of "Gone with the Wind"

Then, there are these 20 or so goofy freaks who just keep pulling everyones cell phones apart with questionable looks on their faces because they cant get them to work. I've told em over and over it's because there is no reception but one of them has built a 2 story Antenna out of the Chinese Baggage.

It's really getting tedious and the Pilot just keeps playing in the corner with an old computer screen and a Broomstick making jet engine sounds while pulling back on the broomstick.

Crazy shit man!! I just want to get to Beijing and buy some cheap gold. I've heard they have heaps of it?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:23 | 4565618 Element
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I felt ya bro

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:57 | 4565530 Apostate2
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Have you forgotten the 'string of pearls'--China's maritime silk road? Or, the recent stand-off between India and China(+ Pakistan) over the Maldives due to China's increasing investments and strategic forward planning to protect the sea lanes that move vital energy resources? India stated that China was planning (since 1999) to build a submarine base in Marao Atoll. Also, as an aside, isn't there an old British military landing field in Gan Island (Addu Atoll) ?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:03 | 4565543 Smuckers
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Chuck Norris is holding it in his fist, left handed. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:27 | 4565627 Rising Sun
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Not Chuck Norris.  BEAKER!!!!!!!  MEMEMEMEMEMEME!!!!!!!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:05 | 4565551 Satan
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Someone more famous than Jagger's girlfriend is gonna have to die to distract the people from this...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:08 | 4565563 Yen Cross
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   The "Polar Vortex" gobbled up Flight MH370...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:29 | 4565633 tip e. canoe
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watch out there, don't steal my tinfoil

;~)

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:53 | 4565712 Bastiat
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Yeah, blame it on the Poles.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:32 | 4566062 motorollin
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That fucker stole my GDP too.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:10 | 4565572 Jack D. Ripper
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Malaysia Airlines has a good safety record and the jet, a Boeing 777-200ER, is said to be one of the safest because of its modern technology.

Didn't they also say that about the Titanic?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:36 | 4565868 knukles
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Yep.
And the Titanic's captain was a Brit.
Now, where does that leave us?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:02 | 4566175 Matt
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Interestingly, there may have been a large shipment of gold on the Titanic, too.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:12 | 4565574 bugs_
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i like the sighting report because it implies a stopover and refuel.  plenty of places to crash land and unload the gold but not very many where you can get back off again.  if all the cargo is removed and all the passengers are removed then the no-load takeoff distance would be an important number.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:18 | 4565601 hangemhigh77
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This is what happens when you have people on a plane who's balls and tits haven't been groped. I'm sure that some guy's left nut blew up.  Or maybe someone had a 12 guage shotgun under her tit.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:20 | 4565607 Jack4952
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Well, which is it?   At Sergio Garcia or Diego Garcia ?

Personally, I would rather see the pilot try to land on Sergio Garcia - preferably while he and Tiger Woods are competing in the 4th round of the Masters at Augusta National.

;-)   ;-)

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:21 | 4565610 Cacete de Ouro
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It was the US, on the Atoll, with the tractor beam (so to speak)

self-preservation society

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:42 | 4565671 magpie
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This implies that there is a man or woman with a "tractor beam" stationed in Israel for the last leg of the journey...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:21 | 4565611 hangemhigh77
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They went to Disney World.  Chinese people love Disney.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:30 | 4565638 Jack4952
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I LOVE it when politicians comment on things about which they know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! But, then again, isn't that their Job Description?

 

"We have people in government who should not be allowed to play with matches."  -- Will Rogers


 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:33 | 4565645 22winmag
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Based on the shit they "pulled" with 9/11 and the Sandy Hook HOAX, nothing, and I mean nothing would surprise me.

 

People will believe anything and I mean anything they see on Tee Vee.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:13 | 4566651 Lin S
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This.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:40 | 4565663 joego1
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Aliens

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:04 | 4565690 magpie
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Be more specific...if they are American sigint, they are mostly reptilian or reptilian gray bastards...English & Australian nephilims...Canadians gray or annunaki gray bastards etc...

ah yes, someone asked about the Jooz...the aliens refer to them as "homeless", "autistic", "rats" (though i personally prefer bats and mice instead) or for the elitist, "North Korean". lol

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:41 | 4565667 jubber
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So the 1700 US technicians on Diego Garcia didn't notice a fucking 777 sitting on their runway for the last week then?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:26 | 4566027 Dr. Sandi
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They're paid not to.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:12 | 4566487 Aussie V
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“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
? Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:00 | 4566167 TheReplacement
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Maybe they had the day off (most of them).  Maybe the plane landed early, was hangered, painted, reprogrammed and ready to go the next day.  This would imply that some of the techs were probably involved.  If this sort of thing is going to be done they are just as likely as anyone to take money to do it.  Put them on a remote island surrounded by guns and yeah, they'll probably do it.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:49 | 4565675 zionhead
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Here we go in ASIA for a week we have been told

1.) The CIA stole the plane

2.) That it went to Kazakhstan

3.) That the plan is to start a war in Kazakhstan as pretense to  steal kazak oil, which is bigger than libya

 

Yet, after a week here is CIA/mSM ZH with bullshit about diego-garica

ZH promotes the western bullshit of feed the mushrooms SHIT and keep them in the dark, nobody here in ASIA seriously consider's that the plane went south, BULLSHIT, everybody knows the plane went north over myanmar

funny thing is we get the straight story from the beginning, but in the west its new bullshit everyday.

Another bullshit from the west is that Malaysia is the source of dis-info, no its not, everybody in malaysia say's that the plane went north over myanmar,

All bullshit about the plane going south is fed by the zio-media (ZH/msm) , because they stole the airplane to justify invading kazakhstan,

First ZIO's lost syria, then lost Ukraine, and NOW PLAN C, is to steal Kazak by 'false flag war', and to pull CHINA into the war on behalf of the ZIO's.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:23 | 4565816 Cacete de Ouro
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It's not bullshit about Diego Garcia. It's true. Now maybe some passengers or the plane (or a similar plane) turn up connected with Kazakhstan, or maybe not. If they do, then this is just a subsequent act in the show

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:35 | 4565865 zionhead
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First the CNN/CNBC fed the WEST BULLSHIT about zig-zag east of KLM for days, then the MSM fed you bullshit in other directions, now the MSM is feeding your bullshit about a naval base in the deep ocean that is so small  you coudn't hide Obama's teddy bear.

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In the meantime on my TV here in ASIA, they only show how the plane goes from KLM to Kazakh, no bullshit.

The west zio-msm is fed shit and kept in the dark, here in the east they tell us the truth since day one.

Since day-one the KLM authorities in MALAY have told the west the plane went NORTH over MYANMAR and  the west has ignored it and tried to get EVERYONE to look in another direction.

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Once the CIA is ready to hatch their plan, the MSM will say "WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED?"

All this CIA killing in KUNMING, and all over CHINA, and now this plane is to get CHINA by the ball's so that they allie with the USA/ISRAEL in the coming war with RUSSIA.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:52 | 4565920 actionjacksonbrownie
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How in hell would they get that plane to Kazakhstan?? They would have to "miracle" it there, because the are about 10 different countries on full military alert at all times between Malaysia and Kazakhstan.

 

Maybe they folded it up and put it in J. Kerry's jym bag.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:41 | 4566100 zionhead
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Have you been here? Have you  been to Myanmar?

The average soldier is a 12 year old with bare feet and a gun.

Myanmar is so fucking poor that if a guy as $1 he's considered rich, he can get a whore and drunk all day. It only get's worse as you go north and west up to Banglaesh, ... then a $1 might get you drunk and laid for a week.

You guy's think this kind of poor country's has NSA stations every KM? They don't.

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Continually on alert for what?

There is NO such fucking thing as 'civilian aviation' in the 3rd world, nobody looks up except when they want to knock fruit out of a tree with their sling-shot.

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It's easy you fly over the poorest most remote places on earth,

This was a CIA operation, fuck most of the radar-sites use generators, most of these remote outback hinterlands don't even have electricity.

You guys really need to quit projecting your world view on the real world.

 

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:13 | 4566489 Ocean22
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ZIONHEAD: the best posts I've seen in a long long time ...thanks ! As you can see, the majority over here are totally brainwashed. I tell people at work and I can see the gloss in their eyes. Total. Brain. Wash.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:28 | 4566513 zionhead
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Thanks, but I need warn my ZH brothers, before they quit their GS/JPM jobs and fly to Myanmar, that I can get you a whore for $1 and drunk in Myanmar for the entire day, but  that whore be ugly, and that booze may very well make you go blind :(

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 03:32 | 4566695 Drifter
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No fucking way will China ally with USA against Russia. 

Much more likely CIA had some nasty surprise on that plane intended for China, plan was discovered, op called off, plane was diverted to DG to unload said nasty surprise.

What happens to plane / crew / passengers after that is anyone's guess, but I wouldn't bet on their survival.

 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:02 | 4566173 TheReplacement
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If y'all know where the plane is, tell us, show us.  Until then, you have no right to call bs on anyone for their ridiculous-as-the-next theory.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:29 | 4566411 zionhead
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Nothing is 'my theory',

I'm just trying to contrast 'asian media', with zio-msm that is fed to ZH, and to the west.

Just showing the contrast.

It's like the west is saying "Look south", in ASIA theyre saying "LOOK NORTH"

Somebody is lying, and my BET is that the west is lying.

We pretty much know chinese-al-queda is responsible, which means CIA.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:52 | 4565709 zionhead
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Motive? We don't know. - ZH

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That's right, you don't know motives, but everyone else does,

The motives is to justify a kazak invasion to steal the oil, and blame it on Chinese Al-Queda.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:55 | 4565715 Signs of the end
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In the pilot episode of the TV series FRINGE, a plane from Hamburg to Boston lands itself after all the passengers and crew die enroute, The lead investigator comments that most commercial planes can now fly and land themselves. That is the most likely scenario, all people on board killed and plane commandeered to Diego Garcia for reasons unknown. 99% odds that this could have not have been done without US shadow govt. involvement.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:53 | 4565716 Man-Bear-Pig
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Who cares what happened to the flight?

They are dead.  It happens.

Enough with the theories and speculation. 

This and your incessant "Breaking News" updates on the Ukraine are causing my eyes to bleed.  

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:59 | 4566461 Ocean22
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Yes they are dead, and if this is the start of WW3, many more will be dead.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:56 | 4565724 dropdeadfed
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"find my iphone"

 

wait

 

nvmd

 

"Phuck it"

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:58 | 4565730 bugs_
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anybody who has seen con-air knows you have to throw out the red arcs.  the kudahuvadhoo sighting report implies a stopover at one of the Sri-Lankan airstrips and then flying a low altitude route to Somalia or Yemen.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:14 | 4565780 blindman
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was it flight american airline flight 77, 2001,
that was alleged to have been hijacked and crashed
into the pentagon? yes it was.
that flight has been missing for longer as it
never did crash into the pentagon and to this day
"we", who are not entitled or privy to anything
anymore or ever again, do not know or have any idea
what happened or where it went or if even existed in the
first instance? and that is the way they play it.
.
it is none of your fucking business and none of
your concern cause the control of information and
priorities is way,wya,wya,way above your pay grade
(in fractional reserve debt notes) or strategic, logistic
or otherwise significant capabilities.
so they order more drones to be deployed to protect
against future deficits in fractional reserve accounting.
.
you will "know" to believe what it is they wish you to
know and believe as soon as it becomes remotely conceivable
and not one second beforehand or sooner.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:15 | 4565781 zionhead
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Well over a week after the disappearance of flight MH370 - which now is the longest official disappearance of a modern jet in aviation history

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Even the first sentence isn't true, when did 'modern jet history' start? During WW2? 1950's, 1970's

Many planes have been lost, this plane was carrying "Dissapearance Insurance".

In the last few years 80 planes have dissapeared, and 6 were never found.

http://www.ibtimes.com/beyond-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-6-other-pla...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Missing_aircraft

wiki has 32 pags of missing aircraft story's

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The missing Boeing 777 of Malaysia Airlines and the carrier's liability to the airline passengers were reinsured by Kazakh Insurance Company Eurasia, the company's web-site reported on March 17.

"The company expects the documents required for establishment of the circumstances of the accident and its recognition as an insured event," the company said.

No trace of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 has been found since it vanished on March 8 with 239 people aboard. Investigators are increasingly convinced it was diverted perhaps thousands of miles off course by someone with deep knowledge of the Boeing 777-200ER and commercial navigation.

Satellite data suggests the plane could be anywhere in either of two vast arcs: one stretching from northern Thailand to the borders of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, or a southern arc from Indonesia into the Indian Ocean west of Australia.

Eurasia Insurance Company said that the "mysterious disappearance" is an insurance risk and is quite common in insurance policies.

Earlier, Eurasia Insurance Company reinsured the Costa Concordia cruise ship which sank in Italy in early 2012.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:32 | 4565846 blindman
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insurance = some kind of sovereign bailout scam,
that to the bone. notice it, i think it is part
of the infrastructure of modern finance?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:44 | 4565891 zionhead
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Fascinating that its insured by KAZAKH, and taken to KAZAKH, but the CIA controlled zio-msm, has done all they can so that the world "KAZAKH" is never mentioned, yet for weeks the ZIONISTS have been demanding that PUTIN 'free the Kazak people" from Russian tyranny, so that ZIO's can 'free their oil" :)

 

When the Western MSM finally starts telling the truth, its going to be fucking amusing, ... connecting the dot's my ass the LINE is fucking REGGIE-RED, and the entire west has gone MAD with their own lies.

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WW3 has already started  you can see that by the magnitude of lies being pushed by the ZIO-MSM, and ZIO-ZH ( massive zio-bots now on ZH ).

 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:55 | 4566459 Ocean22
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There sure seems to allot of bots!

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 14:12 | 4568613 walküre
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Allianz is the lead insurance provider on this plane. Where do you get the Kazakh info from?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:21 | 4565807 nah
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Muslims kidnapping Chinese, Americans, and Australians with the help of the pilot state sanctioned and financed.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:28 | 4565834 zionhead
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The Al-Queda is NOT Muslim.

99.9% of 'MUSLIMS' are not represented by 'Muslims' on the CIA payroll,

Be careful when you use the M- word or I- word,

The so called CHINESE al-queda, are part of 20 bases that the CIA created under UsamaBinLaden, AFGHAN was just of 1 of 20 bases, the CIA has al-queda operations all over the world.

"AL QUEDA", in PERSIAN means the BASE, the CIA base,

The plane was stolen by Al-queda and taken to a CIA base.

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The CIA finds poor fanatic losers and promises them millions of USD to become part of the 'team'. Long ago they lied to Bin-Laden and promised him, ..

1.) leave saudi

2.) leave palestine

3.) russians to leave afghan

Of course west (zio's) lied to bin-laden, but its too late now, the CIA has been running these assets for 40+ years now.

But these CIA assets are NOT muslim.

The CIA isn't christian

The MOSSAD ain't jewish

The al-queda ain't MUSLIM

[ CIA, MOSSAD, Al-Queda all worship USD, and not GOD]

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:13 | 4566485 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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So Al Qaeda is the good witch of the north or wicked witch of the west?

You got me confused here.

And since they have 20 bases can you tell us where the other 19 bases are and who runs each franchise so we can update our scorecards?

At this point I am starting to lose track and interest and just not caring any longer concerning these Muslim or not friends of Allah since no one else really does anymore and just let everyone kill each other and let god sort it out afterwards. As the joke goes.

Chinese and Jewish guy are walking down the street.

Jewish guys beats the fuck out of the Chinese guy.

Chinese guy goes why did you do that for.

Jewish guy goes that is for bombing pearl harbor.

Chinese guy goes but the Japanese bombed pearl harbor.

Jewish guy goes Chinese Japanese they are all the same.

Couple days later they cross paths again the Chinese guy beats the fuck out the Jewish guy.

Jewish guy goes why did you do that for.

Chinese guy goes that is for sinking the Titanic.

Jewish guy goes but an iceberg sunk the Titanic.

Chinese guy goes Iceberg Steinberg they are all the same.

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:22 | 4566502 zionhead
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So Al Qaeda is the good witch of the north or wicked witch of the west?

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Hebrews are like witches there are good and bad, the bad Hebrew, those that are zionists, or neo-cons, or neo-zio-cons ard bad witches.

Zionists, are bad like Cheney, Wolfowitz, Cass Sunstein, Pelosi, Feinstein, Gates, Zuckerfuckerberg, Buffet, the list is quite long.

There are good witches, ... Noah Chomsky, Ralph Nader; most real leftists in general.

Of course Feinstein ain't left, she's FULL FUCKING NAZI.

All Zionists are nazi's.

But yes, all people can be considered witches, and they have their good/bad.

Who tells, Who decides who be a bad/good witch? I personally say count the dead body's ... I see at least 100 Million corpses that ZIONIST has created in order to create the almighty FIAT (USA paper money ponzi ) to infinity, the USD, the FIAT that funds 'World Murder, Inc.', CIA/NSA/MOSSAD

Murder is bad, murder is the tool of the bad witch.

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Good witches, ... are people who care about people, they are the majority of humans, Bad Witches are a minority.

Most hebrews are 'good witches', only a small minority of Hebrews are BAD, but sadly the bad ones control the FIAT. In the world of EVIL he who controls the FIAT controls the world.

Take away the FIAT from the Fucking-Zionist's and the good witches live in peace.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:22 | 4565810 zionhead
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theory rests on an extraordinary run through the radar systems of several countries

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Hello to ZH, ... but MYANMAR, Bhutan, Bangaledesh, and Nepal, ... are 3rd world country's, guys sit in these radar buildings getting drunk 24/7/365 and they haven't seen so much as a 'pidgeon' their entire lives.

If the CIA folks who stole the plane were smart enough to locate all power  switches on the plane to disable all tracking, they were ergo smart enough to stay low and avoid 3rd world radar sites.

Fuck people fly between Mexico and the USA with drugs,... and get through,

I love this narrative that its impossible to fly through the poorest country's on earth at night, ... shit these guys are using WW2 radar gear, and probably they turn off the generators at night so they can steal the fuel for personal use, .. this is the real fucking world.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:23 | 4565817 Mitzibitzi
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Anyone know what extra range you could get out of a 777 if you killed all the 'hotel' load on the alternators? Shut off the heat, light, cabin pressurisation (and that's a BIG load!), galley ovens... everything but flight critical systems and you HAVE to have saved at least 10% of the engine power to use for propulsion.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:55 | 4566541 flyingcaveman
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If you want extra range you fly east with the jet stream.  7 hours of 125kt tail wind that'll get you about 1000 extra miles plus you could glide another 100 miles with the engines at idle.

The plane could easily make it to Guam, Iwo-Jima, Chichi-Jima, you name it.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:29 | 4565828 Baldrick
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Diego Garcia is not an air base. It is a naval support facility. and I don't recall a Sergio.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:01 | 4566169 Husk-Erzulie
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Dude,

It's a forward operating base for nuclear armed B-2.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:18 | 4567305 Baldrick
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I lived there for a year some years ago. It is a naval support facility, always has been, always will be. Squadrons come in and then they leave. I would also add that that little island is heaven on earth. The PERFECT climate all year round, and if I could retire there I would.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:27 | 4565831 Blano
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Dear ZH,

As of 7:26 CDT it still says "Sergio Garcia" in the article.  Thanks for the laugh.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:35 | 4565853 Miss Expectations
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Could've succumbed to a powerful Cargo Cult.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:43 | 4566440 Ocean22
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Now THIS seems Ike disinformation to me.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:43 | 4566441 Ocean22
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Now THIS seems Ike disinformation to me.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:35 | 4565858 Kreditanstalt
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Malaysia has secretly sold its gold to the NY Fed via Diego Garcia.  They wanted to keep it secret...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:12 | 4566205 Cacete de Ouro
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The Malaysian Central Bank (Bank Negara Malaysia) has about 36 tonnes of gold worth about $1.4 billion. With some of that in gold desposits with the bullion banks, it's not unreasonable to assume that they had between 20-30 tonnes in bullion. But who owns / claims it ?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:37 | 4566280 zionhead
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There only a few country's and/or BANKS on the IRS black-list,

Malaysia is on the top of that list.

The Malaysian Government is consistent that have told the ZIO-BANKS to go fuck themselves.

That's why the FBI/IRS label Malaysia right up there with North-Korea.

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Now if some gold gone missing, it wasn't bought,...

There aren't many bank's on earth that are black listed by zio-bank, thus zio's want Malay by the balls.

Compeche?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:34 | 4566424 Ocean22
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This would explain not telling the cargo they just got ripped off and don't want to tell.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:23 | 4566663 zionhead
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The only export that I could see that NOT want people to know about would be a LARGE amount of USA CASH aka USD's

Such a large stash that could only be laundered in EUROPE. Or perhaps a stash of cash being sent to Beijing, ...

That would account for the MALAY government not telling, but we don't know the truth.

For all we know it was just normal passengers and baggage contained underwear.

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But note this, NO way in HELL would anybody here be EXPORTING their GOLD, ... unless of course it WAS CHINESE GOLD, being sent to CHINA, and CHINA was using MALAYISIA to launder their worthless USD FIAT.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:35 | 4565866 are we there yet
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If only Emilia Earheart had a transponder.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:19 | 4566227 Matt
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Hasn't it been established that she was captured and killed by the Japanese?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:45 | 4565873 phaedrus1952
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In all my decades of following the goings on in the intelligence/espionage world (I had wanted in my younger days to join the Company), clear patterns would emerge surrounding many events - some similar to this tragedy, in fact.  And identifiable patterns are a big no no in the ongoing efforts to maintain secrecy.

WHAT IS NOT SAID IS THE MOST TELLING!!!

For the remaining genuine truth-seekers on this site, all one need do is re-read some of the posted, 'official' info released these past days and compare it to the above "complete", latest summary ...

Flight vanished from civilian radar,  yet remained clearly painted for another hour on military??  ... oh, and btw, it actually crossed back over the country and headed in almost opposite direction???  Hmmm... how did the above article convey this info??

ALL the alternate theories are presented???

So the publicly described/acknowledged capability of remote take-over and flying is number what again on the above list??

See my all-caps statement above.

FWIW, I  have nothing but speculation as to this event,  but it is clearly a very, VERY high stakes black op gone somewhat awry (as in seeing the light of day) and may vey well have some tie in to the two "overdosed" SEALs in the nearby Seychelles 4 weeks ago ... notwithstanding Sorcha Faal's having posted about it.  There are absolutely NO coincidendences in this covert world.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:58 | 4565942 zionhead
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The scales of LIES coming out of the western media can only mean one thing.

WW3 has begun.

The difference between the News I see here in ASIA, and shit and dis-information fed in the west is as 180 degrees as I have seen since the vietnam war years where in ASIA we saw the bombs in LAOS coming down, and the in the WEST these bombs didn't exist.

NOW here  in ASIA my news is 180 degrees opposite to the SHIT your fed in the west, this can ONLY mean WW3 has begun.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:18 | 4566221 phaedrus1952
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Zio, greetings.  I do not know what the pay is for all you efforts on these threads, but unless the goal is to project obviously over the top 'noise', I think you may better spend your copious amount of time observing the other slightly-more-successful disinfo guys that are now regularly on this site.

Perhaps you all can start/join some type of 'shill ' forum or something to hone your skills.

Anyhoo, I always get a kick out of your avatar.  Makes me think of 'what if' Stephen Hawking and Hillary had a love child.   Mucho gracias for the laughs, kid.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:58 | 4566264 zionhead
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Loved the book "Zen and Motorcycle maintenance", maybe we can get together an do a little obama-reggie :)

Anybody that calls himself Phaedrus, has got to be ok in my book.

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Nope, if I have passion its only cuz this shit makes me fucking pissed off, I see all this distraction in the western media, but over here in ASIA, its a simple story with no bullshit.

Think to motor-cycle maintenance, and the shop with dirty tools all over the place, but the guy knew exactly where every tool in the shop was, and how to use that tool.

This situation is a lot like that,... and I used to be a pilot also, so I guess I find this story fascinating. Also I used to live in KUNMING so I find that story of the passengers killed by cia chinese al-queda over there tied to this and see everything coming together.

PTB on ZH hate China, this is because Goldman-Sacks was ran out of CHINA on thier nut-sack.

Your watching the begin's of WW3, get a good seat and stay informed.

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Lastly, WTF is 'successful' dis-info on ZH, I do read the comment, and 90% are insipid children, ... a few men such as yourself have something to say.

Phaedrus please explain this oxymoron "Successful Dis-Info ZH", you must be referring to fonestar, but he's a tyler, which would be a circle jerk IMHO.

Did you ever get a JOB in the COMPANY? As you wished?

IHMO there are many MIL EX-PATS like ourselves living in ASIA, .. so fucking what?

Are we successful, only in the sense that we don't live in the USA.

I think everyone is the USA is going be in a civil-war, a very UN-CIVIL-WAR.

 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:32 | 4566420 Ocean22
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I concur zionhead.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:24 | 4566398 Ocean22
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Or, maybe it is you 1952 who is the disinformation agent, or maybe it's me !

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:49 | 4566631 zionhead
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One man's garbage is another man's treasure.

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There are only two teams here on ZH, pro-zio,  and anti-zio.

Your either with the enemy or you are against him.

Given all indications that this is a google-honey-pot and history, no doubt but so what, the enemy wants to know what we're thinking, and where we're located, so by all means give it to them.

I'm thinking ALL neo-zio-con's are criminal monsters. You know where I'm at.

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I would not even fathom to guess the ratio here, but I guess like all else in the west its a 1,000 to 1, means a 1,000 ignorant assholes to every one person who knows what the fuck is going on.

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 05:43 | 4566773 Aussie V
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None of us know what the fuck is going on! That is why we're all here puttin forward our theories.

 

All we DO know is that Big Brother is watchin us and some of us don't care. Some of us not only don't care but we'd like to tell BB to go and suck Obama's big black donga. (If you don't know what a donga is......I can't help you)

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 05:59 | 4566784 Element
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zionhead = Ocean22

It's the same goof swapping handles, just have a look up and down the page.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 12:01 | 4567946 Ocean22
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I would honoured if this were so, but not even close element. I just happen to like what zionhead was saying, jives with much I have read else where.

The paranoia runs deep on ZH. LOL

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:23 | 4566006 walküre
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Your thoughts suggest Shah was potentially an asset in this black op gone awry as you say? Can't deduct the flight simulator found in his home which means we can't deduct him as part of the conspiracy.

The police had seized the flight simulator from the 53-year-old pilot’s house in Shah Alam on Saturday and reassembled it at the police headquarters where experts are conducting checks

If the police can disassemble and reassemble the flight simulator so quickly, then it's possible the machine was planted there easily within the week when investigation was focused on "terrorism" or "crash" angle.

Could be the pilot is just conveniently framed now.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:43 | 4566301 phaedrus1952
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Walk, I always hesitate to offer speculation, 'cause - at the end of the day - it is little more than WAGing.

Having said that, as per the above 'summary' indicates, all occupants on the plane were incapaciitated (polite way to say dead), within minites of reaching 45k altitude.

This ascent occurred almost immediately after the plane was 'commandeered'. The extreme, rapid drop thereafter may have been a further maneuver to ensure no one remained alive.  Dunno, but there is no quicker, more complete way of ensuring no active 'problems' arising from 240 suddenly kidnapped people than to immediately kill them.

If for no other reason than the amount of publicity the pilot is receiving in the ongoing process of his demonization (didja catch the gleam in his eye in the pic where he is holding a meat cleaver? Nice psycho touch there.  Of all the pics that could have been posted.  Hmmm...) I would presume he is being made into a scapegoat in this seemingly frantic distraction campaign.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:02 | 4566327 zionhead
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If you google the pilot family, you will find that he is the son-in-law of the Political opposition.

So let's be clear, your right the pilot has NOTHING to do with the OPERATION, but he's being blamed, and poltically this will destroy the opposition in Malaysia.

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The CIA has made this an OPERATION that just about everyone can get behind.

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They say the wife of the pilot is missing, if this be true, then they're saying that the daughter of the opposition leadership is missing. This is telling.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:51 | 4566825 actionjacksonbrownie
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^shill

 

"pilot has NOTHING to do with the OPERATION"

 

Who disabled the transponders?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 14:14 | 4568627 walküre
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If a jet can be flown remotely, certain transponders can be switched off as well.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 05:46 | 4566775 Aussie V
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Do you honestly believe that a Professional International Pilot practces landings on a Flight Sim on his days off??

I mean Really! What dick do you know who practices his job while he is on "Days Off"?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 20:56 | 4565941 ChargingHandle
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By this point (if it crashed) debris would have been discovered.  At least one piece of the million or so parts would turn up.  Not one single piece of burnt or floating wreckage...? This plane landed.  Until I see evidence to the contrary I will stick with this logic. Why and where,  I cannot begin to imagine without taking this thread down a rabbit hole. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:05 | 4565964 The Fonz...befo...
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So let me get this straight...

all I need to do to not have the NSA or any spy agency ever find me or track me is to put my iphone on airplane mode?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:31 | 4566059 zionhead
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Yep, funnier than hell, they can track you even when you turn the phone off.

Only when you remove the battery are you safe.

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All that data on 250+ cell phones calling home, ... but I'll tell you this, just so you all know,

Living in this area north of Myanmar, I can tell you that most of the areas DONT have cell signal. Especially low.

Another twist on this story, might be that not only did they follow a path of WW2 vintage radar sites, but they followed a path with few to no cell phone towers.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:54 | 4566331 Ocean22
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I think your on to something zionhead.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:09 | 4565978 suz
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How about all the satellite network--no images to that effect?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:10 | 4565983 walküre
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The Maledives angle is most intriguing.

Deduct all the confusing data released by Malay government and focus on the eyewitness reports of several people who noticed a plane, possibly THE plane.

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54067

Strange that nobody from that remote corner of the world would have come forward until now but not entirely unreasonable given the heat of the investigation and the varying theories.

Could be there's no facebook or twitter account on this atoll. Ordinary people, making their livelihoods from fishing getting up early. Noticing the plane and don't think anything of it. Not tuned in 24/7 into latest news from around the world.

Fascinating. If nothing else, I think I found a good place to await the collapse.

 

 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:13 | 4566209 TheReplacement
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Yeah but the rising oceans will get you even if you survive the polar vortex.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:19 | 4566597 walküre
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Won't happen in my lifetime.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:19 | 4566024 smacker
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If there was valuable cargo on board like gold, it certainly raises the possibility that it landed in Diego Garcia.

Hell, Obama is getting desperate!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:20 | 4566028 IridiumRebel
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They know where the fuck this thing is. They can track me wherever the fuck I go yet they can't find a plane? A FUCKING JETLINER? Bullshit.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:24 | 4566043 zionhead
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They can track you, and they know everything about you.

But then turn this around and ask them about Gen Alexander, or ask them about their CHINESE-Al-QUEDA assets, and they don't know shit.

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They know, .. but if they told the truth, then they would be TRAITOR's to the ZIO-NEO-CON  double secret operation "Northwoods-MH370"

So they're doing what they do best, feed you shit and keep you in the dark.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:38 | 4566086 homiegot
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The Maldives Or Diego Garcia?

I don't know. Why not call them as see. Or better yet. Go there and check?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:25 | 4566247 Matt
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Sure, I bet they take vacation bookings on a US Navy base all the time. Try HOTWIRE.COM maybe they can get you 5 star hotel at 3 star prices.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:43 | 4566109 I Write Code
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Here's my theory, it landed

IN MY PANTS!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:43 | 4566110 Typing Typer
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Well I guess others have probably noted already, but I don't think a pilot this cunning (if he indeed orchestrated the whole thing) would stupidly leave the very simulations he was planning on flying to on his home simulator when he left to commit the crime!

Rather the opposite. If he loaded a southern destination then look north, if there was an island destination look to some mainland.

Of course not knowing if the pilot was the perpetrator or not very much sullies any "evidence" found in his home.

Right now no one can guess where the flight is.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:13 | 4566199 zionhead
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It appears the pilot may have been setup, there may have been a real pilot back in the passenger area.

What we know is that the pilot is son in law to one of the opposition leaders, so this is highly destructive to the opposition.

Me think's when you think CIA you think 2-fers, 3-fers, ... this one may be a 10-fer, so many people profit from this operation.

This tie of the pilot to the oppostion, means the opposition is destroyed, which is a carrot the CIA gives the PTB on a plate.

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The low hour co-pilot may very well be the collusion candidate. You would have to think he would need a lot of help from another person on board.

I just don't see this low-hour co-pilot at the pilot in command, and I don't see the official pilot as the 'bad-guy', too much to lose, having such high level political family's.

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We keep hearing about 'simulator', was it just microsoft sim with a joy-stick ( yoke/pedal kit ) on a PC, or was it a REAL training sim which costs $20K++ ( I DONT THINK SO ), ... I think most pilots like to play with sim's, ... sort of fun if you have a computer. With a PC, you can setup a nice flight-sim for about $100, yoke and pedals all USB.

IHMO I would ignore this flight-sim story, its a distraction.

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All paths lead to the CIA chinese uigher,... AL-QUEDA Kazak

But blaming the pilot with such close ties to the OPPOSITION PTB GUBMINT is troubling.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:23 | 4566135 earleflorida
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/index.html

note:    must go to site directly-- 5 free page views/month-- navigate india ocean, etc.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:56 | 4566158 Fix It Again Timmy
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Shit happens, time to move on....

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:56 | 4566160 alfred b.
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    The search is in the wrong directions!   They ought to be looking eastward towards the Phillipines since whoever is in control of the aircraft seems to have outsmarted everyone so far.

   It appears logical that the intent of the westward  push was only one more tactic in their bag of tricks.

 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:09 | 4566195 t0mmyBerg
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it is pretty obvious that the CIA or other group in the US government has the plane and will be using it for some false flag affair or another.  yawn.  when does march madness start again?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:16 | 4566217 zionhead
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Pretty soon, watch Fareed Zakaria, he's been running with the "FREE KAZAKH" AIPAC dis-info for weeks now.

Once the plane is "FOUND" in KAZAKH, there's going to be RUSH for every ZIO-MERC (US-MIL/IDF ) on earth to HELP "RESCUE THE CHINESE"

Then 24/7 CNN will have Fareed Zakaria explaining how this all happened and why, and why the ZIO-WORLD needs to save KAZAKH from PUTIN.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:27 | 4566251 Ocean22
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>>>>>>>>>>Motive? We don't know. But then again, neither we nor anyone else appears to have seen the full cargo manifest yet, which as we said early last week may hold all the answers, and frankly we find it surprising that in a case of such magnitude this most critical unknown has been largely left untouched by everyone.<<<<<<<

Exactly.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:34 | 4566528 Apostate2
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According to the latest 'update'--the cargo was  2-4 tons of mangosteens.

And, perhaps a wee bomb.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583207/Could-small-BOMB-hidden-...

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:29 | 4566258 wedgeseeds
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(pilot weighs in)

The Boeing 777 is the airplane that I fly.  It is a great, safe airplane to fly.  It has, for the most part, triple redundancy in most of its systems, so if one complete system breaks (not just parts of a system), there are usually 2 more to carry the load.  It’s also designed to be easy to employ so 3rd world pilots can successfully fly it.  Sometimes, even that doesn’t work…as the Asiana guys in San Fran showed us.  A perfectly good airplane on a beautiful, sunny day…and they were able to crash it.  It took some doing, but they were able to defeat a bunch of safety systems and get it to where the airplane would not help them and the pilots were too stupid/scared/unskilled/tired to save themselves

There’s many ways to fly the 777 and there are safety layers and redundancies built into the airplane.  It is tough to screw up and the airplane will alert you in many ways (noises, alarms, bells and whistles, plus feed back thru the control yoke and rudder pedals and throttles.  In some cases the airplane’s throttles ‘come alive’ if you are going to slow for a sustained period of time)  All designed to help.  But, it’s also non-intrusive.  If you fly the airplane in the parameters it was designed for, you will never know these other things exist.  The computers actually ‘help’ you and the designers made it for the way pilots think and react.  Very Nice.

Now to Malaysia.  There are so many communication systems on the airplane.  3 VHF radios. 2 SatCom systems.  2 HF radio systems.  Plus Transpoders and active, ‘real time’ monitoring through CPDLC (Controller to Pilot Data Link Clearance) and ADS B(Air Data Service) through the SatCom systems and ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) thru the VHF, HF and SatCom systems.  The air traffic controllers can tell where we are, speed, altitude, etc as well as what our computers and flight guidance system has set into our control panels.  Big Brother for sure!  However, most of these things can be turned off. 

But, there are a few systems that can’t be turned off and one, as reported by the WSJ, is the engine monitoring systems (not sure what the acronym for that is, but I’m sure there is one….it’s aviation…there has to be an acronym!).  The Malaysia airplane, like our 777-200’s, use Rolls Royce Trent Engines (as a piece of trivia….Rolls Royce names their motors after rivers….because they always keep on running!)  Rolls Royce leases these motors to us and they monitor them all the time they are running. In fact, a few years back, one of our 777’s developed a slow oil leak due and partial equipment failure.  It wasn’t bad enough to set off the airplane’s alerting system, but RR was looking at it on their computers.  They are in England, they contact our dispatch in Texas, Dispatch sends a message to the crew via SatCom in the North Pacific, telling them that RR wants them to closely monitor oil pressure and temp on the left engine.  Also, during the descent, don’t retard the throttle to idle…keep it at or above a certain rpm.  Additionally, they wanted the crew to turn on the engine ‘anti ice’ system as the heats some of the engine components. 

The crew did all of that and landed uneventfully, but after landing and during the taxi in, the left engine shut itself down using it’s redundant, computerized operating system that has a logic tree that will not allow it to be shut down if the airplane is in the air…only on the ground.  Pretty good tech.   Anyway, the point was, that RR monitors those engines 100% of the time they are operating.  The WSJ reported that RR indicated the engines on the Malaysia 777 were running normally for 4 to 5 hours after the reported disappearance.  Malaysia denies this.  We shall see.

Parting shot.  If you travel by air, avoid the 3rd world airlines.  Their operators and maintenance are substandard.  Substandard when traveling by Bus or Boat isn’t so bad when the engines quit.  You just stop on the water or by the side of the road.  Not so in airplanes.  My piece of advice….if traveling by air use 1st world airlines.  So, that leaves USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, most of Europe, Japan  and just a few others.  Avoid the rest….just my opinion.  If you get a real deal on air fare from ‘Air Jabooti’…skip it.  Oh, there are a lot of the ‘developing’ countries that use expatriate pilots from the 1st world.  Emirates and Air Jordan come to mind and are very safe.  As is Cathay Pacific.  Air Pakistan and Egypt Air…not so much. Do the research or just drop me a note.  I’ll give you my opinion.

And don't EVER get in an Airbus!!

That is all!  

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:14 | 4566369 Ocean22
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Great info there ! As a pilot , I would love your opinion on chemtrails. I am convinced they are real. Aluminum oxide among others. What have you seen up there ? Cause from down here , their spraying something !

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:14 | 4566494 IridiumRebel
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They were spraying the hell outta the sky tonight in Ohio.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:19 | 4566657 NaN
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Get real. Chemtrails are not.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 05:27 | 4566762 Element
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It is so 2 real! They spray them out big round sprayers right under the wing!!! They don't even try to hide the sprayers anymore!!! They all have spreyers fits! open eyes!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/16/article-0-1C44BC1D00000578-138...

They hiding sprayers in plane site!!!!!!!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/17/article-2582504-1C5A6DE3000005...

Here's a closes up of a broken spryer!!! You can even see a little man there in an aluminium suit with a refill hose for the chemical sprayer the broke!!! EVIDENCE!!!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/27/article-2349454-0C0999C6000005...

baaah!! eat your chemtrail grass little sheeple!!! baaaah!

etc.

 

I'm yet to see any high performance high altitude jet, let alone a vast fleet of jets, with actual spray dispersers on them, even once. And no, air to air refuelers are not chemtrail sprayers, they are actually air to air refuelers dispensing kerosene Jet A1 fuel.

But as to the suggestion of aluminum oxide, obviously you are no geochemist or mineralogist, as aluminum oxide is a large proportion of every bit of soil you ever walked on. It's all around you, and also all over you right now, in staggering natural abundance. It's even in the booger snot in your nostrils right now. You breath in aluminium oxide with every breath. Plus all airborne wind-blown dust has gobs of it. But I'm sure there's a perfectly sound explanation for why it's necessary to also spray it everywhere from high altitude as well. Maybe it's a global aluminum-foil substitute against global alien mind-control?

Other than that it's a perfectly rational belief-system, without any evidence required, and an opinion is more than sufficent for wholesale mental immersion in delusion.

Let me fill you in from a geological perspective, given geology literally means from the Latin "The Study of the Earth" and most of the earth is silicate rock, and all of the igneous and metamorphic basement crustal rocks of the entire mantle and crust of earth consists of aluminosilicate oxide mineralogies:

Aluminosilicates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminosilicate

And see this, as this is what the entire earth's solid molecular component, is ultimately composed of:

Classification of Igneous Rocks
"The most abundant elements in the crust are oxygen, silicon, aluminium, iron, magnesium, calcium, sodium and potassium. These eight elements account for 99 per cent of the crust. Since oxygen is by far the dominant anion, rock compositions are usually reported as oxides rather than as separate elements. Most minerals can be written as combinations of the oxides. For example, K-feldspar (KAlSi3O8) can be written as 1/2(K2O + Al2O3 + 3SiO2)
 
The most abundant oxide by far is SiO2, so the first question petrologists ask in classifying igneous rocks is how much silica is present? Is there so much that after all other minerals are accounted for, silica is left over to form quartz? Or is there so little that silica deficient minerals like olivine, leucite or nepheline are present?
 
Next most abundant oxide is aluminium, which resides principally in feldspars. So the second question petrologists ask in classifying igneous rocks is what feldspars are present? The feldspars largely account not only for Al, but Ca, Na and K as well."
 
https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/Petrology/classification_of_igneous_rocks.htm

And read this one too, it regards a common soil type that is so loaded with aluminium oxide, as an insitu leach-weathering product of natural igneous granitic rocks (i.e. full of feldspar mineralogies), that it's the actual ore-body type extracted to make virtually all aluminum we see today comes from.

Get that? The stuff you walk on and wind spreads all around the planet, to such an extent, that it even ends up in glacier ice in Antarctica, is absolutely filled to the gills with aluminum oxide.

Laterite soils:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterite

 

 
But other than all that, chemtrails are a perfectly rational belief-system, in a hopelessly paranoid and drug-addled world, full of billions of ill-educated and deeply ignorant adults who don't really check a damned thing of the flotsam that drifts into their transom.

"Don't spray me bro!"

 

I blow my aluminum-oxide laced snotty chem-trails in your general direction.  :D

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:43 | 4566816 chindit13
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I blow my aluminum-oxide laced snotty chem-trails in your general direction.  :D

If you toss in a little titanium, I'll wear that sapphire.  Make mine Kashmir, please.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:43 | 4567511 Element
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Gonna need a bigger ball of snot to get the T-P conditions.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 07:15 | 4566833 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

I blow my aluminum-oxide laced snotty chem-trails in your general direction.

Clay, bitchez.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 14:09 | 4568593 walküre
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The pics are stupid and show not one iota of credible evidence of your chemtrail theory.

What else you got to make the point more credible? If this is it, your arguments are very weak. Why are you making a fool of yourself or are you not interested in maintaining credibility?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 17:13 | 4569506 Element
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You realize its a debunking of chem-trails? The first part is pure piss-taking, a joke at the stupidity of the whole belief. I mean, how much more obvious do I have to be here? Apparently quite a lot more obvious. lol

But one last thing. No, I do not care about my 'credibility'. My personal 'status' in mine or anyone else's mind, is not significant to me, at all. The content is what it is, and it speaks for itself. It is either wrong or it is right. If you want to withdraw a sense of 'credibility' that you may have mistakenly imbued into your image of me, then please feel free to disabuse yourself of that wretched thing. It makes no difference to my end of the internet.

Thank you :D

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:30 | 4566415 Magnum
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Enjoyed your post.

I would like to ask you something on an unrelated aviation event.  Looking at what happened on 911, is it possible that two inexperienced pilots flew 767s at very high speed directly into small targets twice striking bullseye at 500 mph ?  I've heard many pilots think its impossible therefore the planes were likely guided via some type of remote. 

Thanks for any insight. 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:05 | 4566579 walküre
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The silence tells all

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:47 | 4566518 Element
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A Rolls Royce Trent engine that always kept on running ... maybe not (Qantas QF32):

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/27/article-2349454-0C0999C6000005...

Skippy took one for the team. Pretty sure Qantas engine maintainence is done by the book.

I guess it was an Airbus, but I would add the modifier, an Air France Airbus.

 

btw, glad to hear your views put on this MH topic

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:43 | 4566814 chindit13
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Good stuff.  One question......at FL450, only an hour out on a seven hour flight, with 239 souls, wouldn't they be in coffin corner on that aircraft?  I have reservations about that claim of a climb to FL450.  It could be just the "Malaysian Fire Drill" that followed the incident before the PM put most of his agencies in line and had the govt speak instead with one voice.

Oh, one more thing:  counterfeit parts.  Chinese make them, cash-strapped "developing" world airlines buy them.  Or so I'm told (often at FL350).  True?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:49 | 4566824 Manipuflation
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An informative post.  Keep us up to date.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:31 | 4566259 cpzimmon
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Many, many comments. All of them suggest that nobody knows what the fuck happened.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 22:30 | 4566261 nidaar
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The plane was heading towards FUKUSHIMA. They had to take it down. That's why they can't find it, they neither disclose its route nor its fate...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:05 | 4566354 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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http://freepatriot.org/2014/03/18/breaking-picture-boeing-777-flying-low...

A picture of a Boeing 777 flying low over the jungle in Malaysia has been found from satellite pictures provided by Tomnod, that allows people to help search for the plane.  The picture was spotted by a young Taiwanese student, according to the China Times.  The picture has not yet been verified but it matches previously unreleased information from Malaysians who claim they saw a low flying plane over the North eastern part of Malaysia about the time the plane made the u turn.

...

At least nine Malaysians, including fishermen, farmers and villagers, claimed to see lights and hear engine noise coming from the area that investigators have surmised could be part of the flight path of Malaysia Flt 370.  Investigators have told the New Straits Times that they believe the aircraft flew over that region at a low altitude to avoid radar tracking.

Investigators have told various Malaysian newspapers that the Boeing 777 had dropped below 5,000 feet to hide from the radar and to use the surrounding area as a barrier against sonar tracking.

The stories from the nine witnesses are amazingly similar and tend to give it credence.

Authorities are working to verify the pictures and to determine exactly where the area on the ground seen in the picture is.

...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:40 | 4566385 zionhead
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Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:09 | 4566479 Buckaroo Banzai
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For crying out loud, that picture was taken during the day, but the plane disappeared at night.

NEXT.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:27 | 4566361 Nassim
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The idea that cell phones can be used - with any dependability or at all - at cruising speed or above 3000 feet is a nonsense perpetuated by the 9/11 report and Hollywood.

I suggest you read the following:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/phone-calls-from-the-9-11-airliners/16924

Or read the book "Debunking 9/11 debunking" by David Ray Griffin

 

Just try making a cell phone call as your plane is taking off and see how long that can last!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:12 | 4566368 kchrisc
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After Sandy Hoax and Boston "Boom," I'll just about consider any theory except aliens.

 

"I don't know if my guillotine will work on aliens."

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