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Did Missing Flight MH370 Land In The Maldives Or Diego Garcia: The Full Updated Summary

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Well over a week after the disappearance of flight MH370 - which now is the longest official disappearance of a modern jet in aviation history - with no official trace of the missing plane yet revealed, the investigation, which as we reported over the weekend has focused on the pilots and specifically on Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, earlier today revealed that on his home-made flight simulator had been loaded five Indian Ocean practice runways, among which those of Male in the Maldives, that of the US owned base at Sergio Garcia, as well as other runways in India and Sri Lanka - all notable runways as all are possible landing spots based on the flight's potential trajectories. The Malay Mail Online reported, "The simulation programmes are based on runways at the Male International Airport in Maldives, an airport owned by the United States (Diego Garcia), and three other runways in India and Sri Lanka, all have runway lengths of 1,000 metres."

“We are not discounting the possibility that the plane landed on a runway that might not be heavily monitored, in addition to the theories that the plane landed on sea, in the hills, or in an open space,” the source was quoted as saying.

At this point the facts in the case are about as sketchy as any "data" on US Treasury holdings, but here is what was said on the record:

"Although Malay Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein denied yesterday that the plane had landed at US military base Diego Garcia, the source told the daily that this possibility will still be investigated based on the data found in Zaharie’s flight simulator software. The police had seized the flight simulator from the 53-year-old pilot’s house in Shah Alam on Saturday and reassembled it at the police headquarters where experts are conducting checks."

Previous reports indicated that the plane flew towards Checkpoint Gival, south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another checkpoint, Igrex, used for route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.

Still, the Maldives news is of particular note since earlier today, Haaveru Online, quoted locals who said they had seen a "low flying jet" whose description is approximate to what flight MH370 looked like. From the source:

Whilst the disappearance of the Boeing 777 jet, carrying 239 passengers has left the whole world in bewilderment, several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo told Haveeru on Tuesday that they saw a "low flying jumbo jet" at around 6:15am on March 8.

 

They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which is what the Malaysia Airlines flights typically look like.

 

Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.

 

"I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly," said an eyewitness.

 

"It's not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too."

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A local aviation expert told Haveeru that it is "likely" for MH370 to have flown over the Maldives. The possibility of any aircraft flying over the island at the reported time is extremely low, the expert added.

So did the pilot hijack the plane, reprogram the flight path, turn off the transponder, and fly low above the surface and below radar all the way to the Maldives, or alternatively, US airbase, Diego Garcia, where Captain Shah promptly offloaded 20+ tons of still unknown cargo? Some experts opine on just this, by way of the Telegraph:

If the Maldive lead turns out to be a strong one, then the next question is: could the plane conceivably have flown to Somalia? Or somewhere in the southern Arabian peninsula or Iran? Somalia seems a much more likely destination for a hijacker with its known al-Qaeda connections.

And this:

Kaminski Morrow adds:

- The plane, a Boeing 777-200, was capable of travelling as far as the Maldives

 

- Male is the main airport but the sighting appears to have come from an atoll a long way south

 

- Commercial aircraft-tracking software, while not always reliable, doesn’t seem to show any other nearby traffic with which a sighting might have been confused

 

It is all hugely, hugely tentative - and I wouldn't want to vouch for the newspaper which is the source of this information.

 

But theoretically it could be possible.

 

The vital detail is the fuel; Malaysia Airlines has not said how much fuel was on board, other than to say "enough for the trip to Beijing".

 

Therefore we can't tell if that was enough to loop around and make it back to the Maldives.

So far there have been few firm theories about MH370 having landed on the US airbase in the middle of the Indian Ocean, some 800 miles south of Male in the Maldives.

ABC had this to say:

Theories about what happened to missing Malaysia Flight MH370 now span a 2 million-plus square mile area of open ocean and southeast Asian land, including one mysterious island in the Indian Ocean known as Diego Garcia.

 

While aviation experts and armchair theorists continue to come up with plausible locations, the jet could have landed or crashed. Many theories have included Diego Garcia as a notable landing strip.

 

The island atoll is a British territory in the central Indian Ocean and is home to a United States Navy support facility — not exactly a U.S. base, but a home for 1700 military personnel, 1,500 civilian contractors, and various Naval equipment.

 

The island — named after 16th century Spanish explorer Diego Garcia de Moguer — gained some notoriety in the past 10 years after reports claimed that the U.S. used Diego Garcia to transport and detain alleged terrorists.

Expect the US military to have zero official comments on the matter, and even less if indeed MH370 landed there, or merely used the base as a transit stop on its route further west, potentially to Africa.

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There are other theories of course, some of which involve none other than such aviation experts as US politicians.

Michael McCaul, a Republican congressman from Texas, who chairs the House Homeland Security Committee, said that the plane may have actually landed and could be used by terrorist groups.

 

John Cornyn, a senator from Texas, helpfully tweeted a link to possible runways where the plane could have landed.

 

Peter King, a Republican congressman representing New York, suggests the Chinese have doctored some of their satellite images to hide the sophistication of their systems.

 

But Mr King said he was not aware of terrorist "chatter". He said on This Week:

 

QuoteNo, there's been no terrorist connections whatsoever. There's been no terrorist chatter. There's nothing out there indicating it's terrorists. Doesn't mean it's not, but so far nothing has been picked up by the intelligence community from Day One.

 

I still have questions about the two Iranians who were on the plane, but again, that could be a side issue. The fact is nothing has come up indicating a terrorist nexus.

Going back to what is known, here is a full and updated timeline of all events that took place, by way of BBC:

The search operation is now concentrating on huge areas to the north and south of Malaysia, after locational 'pings' detected by a satellite appeared to indicate the plane was somewhere on an arc stretching either north up to to Central Asia, or south, to the Indian Ocean and Australia.

 

Evidence revealed on Saturday 15 March by the Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak suggested the jet was deliberately diverted by someone on board about an hour after takeoff.

When was the last contact made?

Graphic: How planes can be tracked

 

Flight MH370 departed from Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 00:41 on Saturday (16:41 GMT Friday), and was due to arrive in Beijing at 06:30 (22:30 GMT).

 

Malaysia Airlines says the plane lost contact less than an hour after takeoff.

 

No distress signal or message was sent.

 

The ACARS - a service that allows computers aboard the plane to "talk" to computers on the ground - was silenced some time after 01:07 as the plane crossed Malaysia's east coast.

 

At about 01:19 the co-pilot was heard to say: "All right, good night".

 

The plane's transponder, which communicates with ground radar, was shut down soon after this final communication, as the aircraft crossed from Malaysian air traffic control into Vietnamese airspace over the South China Sea.

 

At 01:37 the next ACARS transmission was due, but never sent.

Graphic: Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER
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What happened next?

The plane's planned route would have taken it north-eastwards, over Cambodia and Vietnam, and the initial search focused on the South China Sea, south of Vietnam's Ca Mau peninsula.

 

But evidence from a military radar, revealed later, suggested the plane had suddenly changed from its northerly course to head west. So the search, involving dozens of ships and planes, then switched to the sea west of Malaysia.

 

MH370's last communication with a satellite, disclosed a week after the plane's disappearance, suggested the jet was in one of two flight corridors, one stretching north between Thailand and Kazakhstan, the other south between Indonesia and the southern Indian Ocean.

 

The timing of the last confirmed communication with a satellite was 08:11 (00:11 GMT), meaning that the Boeing continued flying for nearly seven hours after contact with air traffic control was lost.

 

Investigators are making further calculations to establish how far the plane might have flown after the last point of contact.line break

 

Who was on board?

Arni Marlina, 36, a family member of a passenger onboard Flight MH370, shows a family picture on her mobile phone, at a hotel in Putrajaya, Malaysia, 9 March Muhammad Razahan Zamani (bottom right), 24, and his wife Norli Akmar Hamid, 33, were on their honeymoon on the missing flight. The phone is being held by his stepsister, Arni Marlina

The 12 crew members were all Malaysian, led by pilots Captain Zaharie Ahmed Shah, 53 and 27-year-old co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid.

 

Police have searched their homes and a flight simulator has been taken from the captain's home and reassembled for examination at police headquarters.

 

It is now believed that co-pilot Hamid spoke the last words heard from the plane, "All right, good night" - but it it not clear whether this was before or after the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) had been deliberately switched off.

 

There were 227 passengers, including 153 Chinese and 38 Malaysians, according to the manifest. Seven were children.

 

Other passengers came from Iran, the US, Canada, Indonesia, Australia, India, France, New Zealand, Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan and the Netherlands.

 

Among the Chinese nationals were a delegation of 19 prominent artists who had attended an exhibition in Kuala Lumpur.

 

With so many of their nationals aboard, the Chinese Government has been very involved in the search, expressing barely-concealed frustration with the lack of progress.

 

Malaysia Airlines said there were four passengers who checked in for the flight but did not show up at the airport.

 

Malaysia plane: Who were the passengers?

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Could it have been a terrorist attack?

Malaysian PM Najib Razak, 15 March 2014The plane was deliberately diverted, the Malaysian PM told a news conference

The aircraft's change of direction was consistent with "deliberate action on the plane", the Malaysian authorities said.

 

But it remains unclear whether the course change was carried out by the air crew or flight-trained hijackers onboard.

 

So far no known or credible terror group has emerged to claim responsibility.

 

Initial investigations concentrated on two passengers found to be travelling on stolen passports.

 

The two Iranian men - 19-year-old Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad and Delavar Seyed Mohammadreza, 29 - were later found to headed for Europe via Beijing, and had no apparent links to terrorist groups.

Other theories for a crash

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER taking off from Narita Airport near Tokyo, Japan, April 2013A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER taking off from Narita Airport near Tokyo, Japan, last year

Some initial theories suggested that the aircraft could have suffered a disastrous mid-air decompression, but Malaysian authorities say they are now almost entirely focused on the actions of the crew.

 

Captain Zaharie Ahmed Shah, who had more than 18,000 flying hours behind him, had been employed by the airline since 1981.

 

Weather conditions for this flight were good.

 

Malaysia Airlines has a good safety record and the jet, a Boeing 777-200ER, is said to be one of the safest because of its modern technology.

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Finally, for those who still have lingering questions, here also from the BBC, is a compendium of 10 theories attempting to explain the fate of the missing airliner.

1. Landed in the Andaman Islands

The plane was apparently at one stage heading in the direction of India's Andaman and Nicobar Islands, the most easterly part of Indian territory, which lies between Indonesia and the coast of Thailand and Burma. It has been reported that military radar there might not even have been operating, as the threat level is generally perceived to be low.

The editor of the islands' Andaman Chronicle newspaper dismisses the notion that the aircraft could be there. There are four airstrips but planes landing would be spotted, he told CNN. He also believed monitoring by the Indian military would prevent an airliner being able to land there unnoticed. But this is an isolated spot. There are more than 570 islands, only 36 of which are inhabited. If the plane had been stolen, this might be the best place to land it secretly, says Steve Buzdygan, a former BA 777 pilot. It would be difficult, but not impossible, to land on the beach, he says. At least 5,000ft (1500m) or so would make a long enough strip to land on.

It would be theoretically possible but extremely difficult. With such a heavy aeroplane, using the landing gear might lead to the wheels digging into the sand and sections of undercarriage being ripped off. "If I was landing on a beach I would keep the wheels up," says Buzdygan. But in this type of crash landing, the danger would also be damage to the wings, which are full of fuel, causing an explosion. Even if landed safely, it is unlikely the plane would be able to take off again.

2. Flew to Kazakhstan

The Central Asian republic is at the far end of the northern search corridor, so the plane could hypothetically have landed there. Light aircraft pilot Sylvia Wrigley, author of Why Planes Crash, says landing in a desert might be possible and certainly more likely than landing on a beach somewhere. "To pull this off, you are looking at landing in an incredibly isolated area," says Wrigley. The failure so far to release a cargo manifest has created wild rumours about a valuable load that could be a motive for hijacking. There has also been speculation that some of those on board were billionaires.

But the plane would have been detected, the Kazakh Civil Aviation Committee said in a detailed statement sent to Reuters. And there's an even more obvious problem. The plane would have had to cross the airspace of countries like India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, which are all usually in a high state of military preparedness. But it's just possible that there are weak links in the radar systems of some of the countries en route to Central Asia, Wrigley speculates. "A lot of air traffic control gear is old. They might be used to getting false positives from flocks of birds and, therefore, it would be easy to discount it."

3. It flew south

The final satellite "ping" suggests the plane was still operational for at least five or six hours after leaving Malaysian radar range. For Norman Shanks, former head of group security at airports group BAA, and professor of aviation security at Coventry University, the search should therefore start from the extremes of the corridors and work up, rather than the other way around. He thinks the southern corridor is more likely for a plane that has so far avoided detection by radar.

The southern arc leads to the huge open spaces of the Indian Ocean, and then to Australia's empty northern hinterland. Without knowing the motive, it is hard to speculate where the plane's final destination was intended to be. But the plane may just have carried on until it ran out of fuel and then glided and crashed into the sea somewhere north of Australia.

4. Taklamakan Desert, north-west China

There has been speculation on forums that the plane could have been commandeered by China's Uighur Muslim separatists. Out of the plane's 239 passengers, 153 were Chinese citizens. One possible destination in this theory would be China's Taklamakan Desert. The region - described by Encyclopaedia Britannica as a "great desert of Central Asia and one of the largest sandy deserts in the world" - has no shortage of space far from prying eyes. The BBC's Jonah Fisher tweeted on 15 March: "Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border."

But again, this theory rests on an extraordinary run through the radar systems of several countries.

5. It was flown towards Langkawi island because of a fire or other malfunction

The loss of transponders and communications could be explained by a fire, aviation blogger Chris Goodfellow has suggested. The left turn that the plane made, deviating from the route to Beijing, could have been a bid to reach safety, he argues. "This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport." He aimed to avoid crashing into a city or high ridges, Goodfellow argues. "Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000ft (4,000m) strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lumpur because he knew he had 8,000ft ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance." In this theory it would be assumed that the airliner did not make it to Langkawi and crashed into the sea.

But Goodfellow's theory has been disputed. If the course was changed during a major emergency, one might expect it to be done using manual control. But the left turn was the result of someone in the cockpit typing "seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials", the New York Times reported. The paper says this "has reinforced the belief of investigators - first voiced by Malaysian officials - that the plane was deliberately diverted and that foul play was involved."

6. The plane is in Pakistan

Media tycoon Rupert Murdoch has tweeted: "World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden." But Pakistan has strenuously denied that this would be possible. The country's assistant to the prime minister on aviation, Shujaat Azeem, has been reported as saying: "Pakistan's civil aviation radars never spotted this jet, so how it could be hidden somewhere in Pakistan?" Like the Kazakhstan theory, this all seems far-fetched, not least because the junction between Indian and Pakistani air space is one of the most watched sectors in the world by military radar. And despite the remoteness and lawlessness of northern Pakistan, the region is watched closely by satellites and drones. It seems scarcely believable to think an airliner could get there unspotted.

7. The plane hid in the shadow of another airliner

Aviation blogger Keith Ledgerwood believes the missing plane hid in the radar shadow of Singapore Airlines flight 68. The Singaporean airliner was in the same vicinity as the Malaysian plane, he argues. "It became apparent as I inspected SIA68's flight path history that MH370 had manoeuvred itself directly behind SIA68 at approximately 18:00UTC and over the next 15 minutes had been following SIA68." He believes that the Singaporean airliner would have disguised the missing plane from radar controllers on the ground. "It is my belief that MH370 likely flew in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan airspace. As MH370 was flying 'dark' without a transponder, SIA68 would have had no knowledge that MH370 was anywhere around, and as it entered Indian airspace, it would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens." The Singapore Airlines plane flew on to Spain. The Malaysian jet could have branched off. "There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xinjiang, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan," Ledgerwood argues.

Prof Hugh Griffiths, radar expert at University College London, says it sounds feasible. But there is a difference between military and civilian radar. Civilian radar works by means of a transponder carried by the aircraft - a system known as secondary radar. The military use primary radar and this "ought to be higher resolution". So how close would the two planes need to be? He estimates about 1000m (3300ft). It is possible military radar would be able to pick up that there were two objects, he says. "It might be able to tell the difference, to know that there are two targets." If this happens, though, there's then the question of how this is interpreted on the ground. Is it a strange echo that would be discounted? When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941, although the US radar operator detected the incoming aircraft, they were dismissed as US bombers arriving from the mainland.

8. There was a struggle

One of the hardest things to account for so far with an innocent explanation is the way the plane was flown erratically. It went far above its "ceiling", flying at 45,000ft (13,716m) before later flying very low. Big fluctuations in altitude suggest there might have been a struggle, says Buzdygan. Post-9/11, cockpit doors have been strengthened against the possibility of hijack but there are still scenarios where access could be gained. Pilots talk to each other "over a beer" about how they'd deal with hijackers, he says. Buzdygan would have had no qualms about flying aggressively to try to resist a hijack. "I'd try to disorientate and confuse the hijackers by throwing them around," he says.

9. The passengers were deliberately killed by decompression

Another theory circulating is that the plane was taken up to 45,000ft to kill the passengers quickly, former RAF navigator Sean Maffett says. The supposed motive for this might have been primarily to stop the passengers using mobile phones, once the plane descended to a much lower altitude. At 45,000ft, the Boeing 777 is way above its normal operating height. And it is possible to depressurise the cabin, notes Maffett. Oxygen masks would automatically deploy. They would run out after 12-15 minutes. The passengers - as with carbon monoxide poisoning - would slip into unconsciousness and die, he argues. But whoever was in control of the plane would also perish in this scenario, unless they had access to some other form of oxygen supply.

10. The plane will take off again to be used in a terrorist attack

One of the more outlandish theories is that the plane has been stolen by terrorists to commit a 9/11 style atrocity. It has been landed safely, hidden or camouflaged, will be refuelled and fitted with a new transponder before taking off to attack a city. It would be very hard to land a plane, hide it and then take off again, Maffett suggested. But it can't be ruled out. "We are now at stage where very, very difficult things have to be considered as all sensible options seem to have dropped off," he says. It is not clear even whether a plane could be refitted with a new transponder and given a totally new identity in this way, he says. Others would say that while it is just about feasible the plane could be landed in secret, it is unlikely it would be in a fit state to take off again.

The even more far-fetched

Many of the above theories might seem far-fetched but there are even more outlandish-sounding ones out there.

If the plane had flown up the northern corridor, experts maintain it would probably have triggered primary radar. Key countries whose airspace it might have crossed are Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, or Thailand. After 9/11, an unidentified airliner entering sovereign airspace is likely to lead to fighters being scrambled, says Maffett. "If the plane is in the northern arc it could easily have been shot down." It's a theory circulating on some forums. The notion is that no-one would want to admit shooting down an airliner full of passengers, Maffett says, and thus might currently be concealing the event.

But there are a host of holes in the theory. Firstly, the plane would still have had to avoid numerous radar systems before finally triggering one. And the nation responsible would be trying to keep secret the fate of the world's currently most-searched for object. Covering up the incident for so long would arguably make the shooting down look far worse.

A completely different thread of conspiracy theory assumes a sympathetic regime. The scepticism about flying undetected through radar changes somewhat if the hijackers are in cahoots with a country's government. There are several authoritarian regimes within the aircraft's range, but the conspiracy theory doesn't even require a government's co-operation - the hijackers could just be in cahoots with radar operators. Again, this seems to be a conspiracy of incredible complexity to be kept secret for this length of time. And what would the motive be for those colluding?

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Motive? We don't know. But then again, neither we nor anyone else appears to have seen the full cargo manifest yet, which as we said early last week may hold all the answers, and frankly we find it surprising that in a case of such magnitude this most critical unknown has been largely left untouched by everyone.

 

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Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:46 | 4566546 MsCreant
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Chop the head off and three more are created. Dammit! Now we got a basket load of baby aliens.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 04:52 | 4566754 Rogue Trooper
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I'm waiting for Tom Cruise to declare that he used his Thetan powers and transported the plane to a higher level that we could not understand because of our limited minds.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:26 | 4566404 redbird
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Kalvlvtiahi open to Redbird.  

The dolphins and Seals welcome home white bird. She landed is safe harbour. 

Not to worry, baby bird is home.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:53 | 4566454 Comrade de Chaos
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isn't it obvious , UFO ~ !!!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 23:54 | 4566457 GoldmanSux
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Oh, I'd like one of those....a simulation program for landing on Diego Garcia. Maybe I'll find one on craigslist.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:05 | 4566476 bardot63
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Perhaps this pilot was a shadow JP Morgan investment banker.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:44 | 4566543 MsCreant
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Watch this:

It crash landed and sunk leaving no trace. 200 years from now, they will find it on the bottom of the ocean. It will be quite a thrill (in a mild detached sort of way). There will be some archaeologists and historians thrilled out of their mind. They will try to make a museum out of the salvaged wreckage. Others will protest commercializing such a treasure. They will compromise and decide to make a virtual museum out of it, leaving the actual plane intact, in suspended animation, available for future research. They will record the sights, sound, smells, and textures of the plane so that you can just jack into the net and navigate your consciousness to the sensory reproduction.

ZeroHedge 100.5 will still be in business, but we will meet in virtual rooms together, our individual consciousnesses planning how to unite and take over the centralized consciousness (The Fed) which will run everything. Our progeny will wonder, "When will this shit collapse already?" Very few will live in the physical world. They will know it exists but want nothing to do with it because it is too much effort.

Only the rich, powerful, and intelligent, get to live and function in the real world.  All the rest is fiat experience, which is a very faint shadow of what it is like living in the real world.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:55 | 4566561 Element
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You are right MsC, if it did end up in the Indian ocean we are probably not going to find it during this century, unless it's ... by accident.

 

It will then of course become a mainstay of the conspiracy milieu for a few years ... and drive us all batty.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:57 | 4566567 Thought Processor
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That was great.  Though god help us if this shit hasn't collapsed by then.

 

Tortured souls we would be.

 

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:32 | 4566667 i-dog
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"It crash landed and sunk leaving no trace."

Colour me skeptical but, if it did indeed do a u-turn and flew for another 4 or 5 hours to a planned destination, then I highly doubt that it crash landed or sank.

I did my PPL in that area (Singapore) and can tell you that Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore, and probably a few others (including Australia's OTHR), watch those crowded skies very carefully. One or more of them knows a lot more than they are allowed to say.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 04:54 | 4566757 Rogue Trooper
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Wonderful post!

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:53 | 4566560 observer007
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For all of the wild speculation on the fate of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, one pilot's theory about the missing jet has gone viral for a different reason: it—at least on its face—seems to make a lot of sense: fire

 

This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.

For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.

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Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:05 | 4566577 Thought Processor
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It's a covert op.  It's still going on.  There is too much evidence external to the plane itself now, which points to an operation that executed an 'extreme rendition.'

 

Part 1 is complete.

 

Will there be a part 2?

 

 

 

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:46 | 4566608 Element
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That is in fact one of the better 'explanations', but I don't know how the controlled climb-power throttle setting rise to FL450 fits in, or how the engine manufacturer saying the engines kept operating for 4 to 5 hours, via SATCOM relayed data, fits in. But look at this ATSB occurrence report and you can quickly see how such a fire could develop, and then affect all comms systems quickly. See the scary pics from page 24 through 38. And all note that this is a Boeing jet, and a Qantas Boeing jet at that, the airline that statistically at least is the safest airline in the world, flying today. I would say the manufacturer of the jet is mostly irrelevant (but I do understand why a 747 or 777 pilot is going to detest Airbus's systems and designs):

http://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/1427.pdf

Then look at images on pages 15 though to 19, and then look at page 62.

 

As this shows clearly, you don't even need a fire - as fluids will kill the systems too.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 04:59 | 4566758 Rogue Trooper
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Cabin fire nonsense

This story has 2 missing points – the plane had to have landed intact, because the engines uplink to satellite upon landing to report maintenance status to Boeing and THEY DID, which proves this plane landed safely, AND,

(the above was coroborated by the 777 pilot guy earlier in the thread.  Rolls Royce have the data this critical information has just faded away) 

 

ANYWHERE this plane landed, the cell phones could have connected, there are no major runways far enough away from cell towers to prevent this from happening. So the NSA knows where they are, WHY THE SILENCE.

So the "most plausible report out there" is either misguided or a lie, and Boeing themselves gave the CHECK MATE.

This guy is wacky but he makes some sense.  Check out of you wish...

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/


Wed, 03/19/2014 - 00:59 | 4566568 Harrison
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Yeah, Diego Garcia is an amazingly likely destination, seeing as how the U.S. military maintains a presence there, and everyone knows that they would never spot a 777-sized non-stealth jetliner sneaking in.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:09 | 4566585 Thought Processor
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There are no native inhabitants on Diego Garcia.   Only military.  Many covert operations are run through the base.

 

It has also been commonly used as a 'secret rendition' transit point.  

 

Everything and anything done there can be kept secret.  That's how it works.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:34 | 4566603 DarthVaderMentor
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There's also nuclear weapons stored there, as I have heard it.

We could also be just dealing with a rogue CIA or turned double agent team that just wants gold in exchange for a nuclear weapon and a few minutes on the airfield to load up on some fuel to get to Somalia.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:07 | 4566583 bpj
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I am starting to doubt if it ever took off

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:07 | 4566584 bpj
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I am starting to doubt if it ever took off

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:35 | 4566599 DarthVaderMentor
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Anyone know who holds the mortgage, if there's any, on this airplane? If there is a mortgage, has it been tranched out and who holds the possibly worthless paper?

 

Maybe the reason it's disappeared is the owner simply repossesed the asset in flight and now wants money (legally?) for the passengers and crew to pay off the bad debt and asset recovery expenses! LoL!

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:16 | 4566615 zionhead
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The paper was held by Kazakh/CIA,

It had 'dissapearance insurance by Kazakh Reinsurance, payable to CIA on LOSS.

It was to be returned to the Kazahk's by the CIA, to its CIA Chinese Al-Queda Base

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:48 | 4566630 The_Prisoner
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Silverstein?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:27 | 4566606 luckystars
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this is where the plane was bombed, in a violent way. Not crashed.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-5.7838627,145.6459756,6z

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:39 | 4566613 zionhead
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MH370 - Massive MILITARY COVER-UP - WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED? Malaysia Aviation expert says possible mass military cover-up in MH370 probe

 

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/aviation-expert-says...

 

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Malaysia Aviation expert says possible mass military cover-up in MH370 probe

March 19, 2014

Aviation expert David Learmount has raised the possibility of a mass cover-up by Asian military officials, saying that some countries may be withholding radar data because they do not want to expose weaknesses in their air defences, says MailOnline. – The Malaysian Insider pic, March 19, 2014. Revelations that Thai military took ten days before reporting radar blips that could have been the lost Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have led a leading aviation expert to raise the possibility of a mass cover-up by Asian military officials.

David Learmount said that some countries may be withholding radar information because they do not want to expose holes in their air defences, reported MailOnline, the online version of the British Daily Mail.

Learmount wrote in his blog: "Maybe these states’ air defences, like Malaysia’s, are not what they are cracked up to be.

"And maybe they wouldn’t want the rest of the world to know that," he said in apparent reference to earlier reports that the Malaysian Air Force had only revealed that their radar had spotted the missing aircraft days after its disappearance.

Learmount, a former pilot and now operations and safety editor at online aviation portal Flightglobal, said that MH370 might have flown over several Asian countries including Thailand, Burma, China, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:42 | 4566624 Quantum Nucleonics
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Please end this silliness.  This is what happened...

 

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

Summary: Electrical fire.  Crew tries to divert to closest large airport to the west.  Smoke overcomes crew.  Plane continues on autopilot across the Indian ocean till it crashes.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:15 | 4566632 Element
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Entirely possible, however, the SATCOM for the engine data, according to Rolls Royce, kept working, which seems very unlikely.

 

EDIT: BTW this part of that link text is not consistent with the explanation it offers for a climb to 45k ft (i.e. to extinguish said fire).

"Fire in an aircraft demands one thing: Get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well-remembered experiences in my memory"

The other thing is I would have expected the ELT (Emergency Locator Transmitter which has it's own battery and antenna) to have been activated in such a no-comms situation, and where there was a fire on-board. Why no ELT activation given they have an emergency and no way to convey this to ATC. btw, ATC and SAR monitor the ELT transmission band continuously for exactly such activations, at least they do in Australia.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:53 | 4566633 zionhead
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There would have been a MAYDAY deployed, somebody physically changed the fucking transponders not just turned them off.

Much of the electronics turned off only an expert in 777 (Chicago) would have know how to turn it off,

6+ hours after the plane went dark, BOEING reports its engines are still running,

 

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:58 | 4566639 Kirk2NCC1701
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I am amazed that only the US media is going out of its way to discount ALL the events -- one at a time, and pretending the other events/anomalies don't exist.

Either these people really SUCK at System Analysis, or hope that we do.  FAIL!

The more I listen to the US MSM/LSM on this, the more I smell the stench of TPTB "managing" the Talking Points:  1. Magician's Trick: The more you get people looking in false directions, the less likely they are to look in the right one.  2. SNR trick:  The more Noise you generate, the harder it is to pick out the Signal (a Signal/Noise Ratio thing).  Works on 99% of 'Mericans and other Sheeple.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:08 | 4566646 zionhead
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When the LIES go this bad, and when ZH and majority of the BOT's on ZH are backing the CIA version of the story, ... you know WW3 has arrived.

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All we can do is keep posting what they're saying in ASIA, so that people can hear both sides of the 'story'.

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You never know like this post, is it stupid? or sarc? This is ZH, and 90% of the time comments are /sarc, /stupid, or /shit.

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Yep, the USA wants everyone to look at the south-pole, and Malaysia is saying "They went to Kazakh", ...

Well I don't have the inclination, but a smart guy would log all these bots spewing bullshit and keep track, perhaps we can have a third color to ZH to MARK a zio-whore-bot.

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:13 | 4566652 Ralph Spoilsport
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The third color should be for 'Clueless but posts anyway'.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:36 | 4566655 Element
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What a great idea!

BTW, just look at what it is doing, it is deliberately posting rubbish all over to break up the discussion. It is clearly doing it to sabotage and derail any methodical reasoned examination of issues (and to try and bait/troll discussions re its namesake), i.e. if it succeeds and the resulting analysis proves to be irrelevant in the light of subsequent developments, then zh is regarded as not a place to go for such an analysis, and that will over time trigger people's urge to gripe and whine about post contents, value of comments, and denigrate the Tyler's efforts.

Simple vandalism, to destroy the local real estate property prices.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 01:43 | 4566625 economists_do_i...
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If the cargo was in fact gold, isn't there a far easier way to transport it?  Military ship/aircraft?  They could have quietly loaded it, gone about their business, and no one would ever ask a single question.  Stealing a civilian plane certainly puts a very bright spotlight on such a mission.  I can't for the life of me see why they would want all that attention.

To me, it seems like a test flight using some sort of advanced aviation (stealth) technology.  Freescale equipment on board.  Employees there for tech support.  Mission:  Can we make a plane that the entire world is looking for disappear out of thin air?  If so, then we can use the same technology on a bomber that *no one* is looking for.  Hasn't that always been our goal with Russia?  To be watching from right above them, but without them knowing it?  Could overlap a bombing mission with some sort of known scientific event like a large meteor.  A way to bomb the enemy -- without ever having to admit responsibility.  Or the ultimate spy plane. 

Isn't that how the devil works?  His greatest trick is convincing everyone he doesn't exist.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:01 | 4566642 zionhead
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There was NO GOLD on the flight there is no proof of such.

There is no way in HELL that Malaysia a country that is BUYER of GOLD, would ship their gold OUT,

Absolute bullshit.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 13:58 | 4568526 walküre
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agreed. haven't seen any proof of the gold story anywhere, not even a credible hunch

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 07:59 | 4566885 Izznogood
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That was a MOVIE bozo, you know, made up stuff ...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:04 | 4566637 zionhead
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MAO OK's Uncle Sam to Screw Chinese Citizens in the ASS

 

Afghanistan: as China forges new alliances, a new Great Game has begun

 

A common interest in central Asia over Uighur and CIA-Taliban militancy is bringing together Beijing and the United States together into a happy new marriage. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/18/afghanistan-china-n...
Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:07 | 4566644 q99x2
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20 passwngers were from a high tech firm out of Texas that supplied the military with TECH. The cargo was likely the reason the plane went missing. It probably landed on the island for US Eastern military operations Diego Garcia.

Per Craig Hulet.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 04:55 | 4566650 zionhead
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Well its an its an interesting strory, but just one of the many CIA carrots to go along with the story.

For those who don't know the FREESCALE patent holders, held the patent to OBAMA's new CHIP in the ass, a digestible computer that would track you for life for obama-care, and the this texas company hadn't decided WHOM to give the back-door to the NSA, CIA, MOSSAD, or even MSS, or KGB.

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But that's NOT why the plane was taken down, it was taken to justify a new war with RUSSIA, and the USA having CHINESE allies.

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MIL TECH NOT, CONSUMER MICRO-ELECTRONICS

Freescale Semiconductor Employees Confirmed Passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370

AUSTIN, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Mar. 8, 2014-- Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) has confirmed that 20 of its employees were confirmed passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Twelve are from Malaysia and eight are from China. The entire Freescale Semiconductor community is deeply saddened by this news. The company is continuing to monitor the situation and will provide more information as it becomes available.

“At present, we are solely focused on our employees and their families,” said Gregg Lowe, president and CEO, Freescale. “Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected by this tragic event.”

The company has assembled counselors and other professionals through Freescale’s Employee Assistance Program, with around-the-clock support for those impacted by this tragedy.

About Freescale Semiconductor

Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) is a global leader in embedded processing solutions, providing industry leading products that are advancing the automotive, consumer, industrial and networking markets. From microprocessors and microcontrollers to sensors, analog integrated circuits and connectivity – our technologies are the foundation for the innovations that make our world greener, safer, healthier and more connected. Some of our key applications and end-markets include automotive safety, hybrid and all-electric vehicles, next generation wireless infrastructure, smart energy management, portable medical devices, consumer appliances and smart mobile devices

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:44 | 4566818 chindit13
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Come on, guy.  I know you're just having some fun with all the posting and stuff, but this is a delicate and gullible crowd around here.  Lots of them won't know that you just make most of this stuff up.  Yes, it's entertaining to be the source of what will become conspiracy theory, but don't over do it or you'll lose everybody except....well, I won't mention their names, but you've been here long enough in your various iterations from Butler on down to know who are the most gullible and prone to delusion, especially if it allows them to display righteous indignation and anger.  Heck, pretty soon you're even going to have George Washington LINK-ing to your posts...unless you know when to step back and let it breathe.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 02:21 | 4566658 Atomizer
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It will all tick up shortly…..

Final 8 Minutes Of Phone Call From Flight 11 On 9/11

 

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/fsl/institutional-holdings

Next earnings on 4/25/14

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/FSL:US

http://investors.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=175261&p=irol-sec

http://patentlyo.com/patent/2011/05/apple-buys-patents-from-freescale.html

 

Control of a new cloaking device can keep anyone in check, until the technology is lost by a plane with all developers awaiting to collect the fortunes to accumulate under Blackstone rules

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 03:09 | 4566683 Kina
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If this plane were flying low it still could have picked up and seen by Australia pine gap USA satellite spy base...Australian jindalee over the horizon radar network possibly. ..shipping radar...Other planes. ..fishing boats....naval vessels in the region. ..etc..

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:22 | 4566770 Element
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Primary radar on civil ships and fishing boat's can pick up a low flying jet, but it's just a scope (often basic amber or green shading display) with concentric range-rings and they are primarily used to detect shipping and fishing boats, to pass red to red (left to left of each other) to avoid collision in shipping channels and fishing grounds.

They ignore aircraft tracks, because these are irrelevant to them (except for fishery patrol and Customs flights maybe), and they usually do not maintain any data log of radar contacts.

Plus because of the horizon limits to line-of-sight returns, they typically display no further than 25 nm radius from the emitter. Thus usually they are set to display only 10 or 15 nm range from the emitter. Jets move through that radius very quickly, and the radar scope is only glanced at periodically, rather than monitored constantly, as ships generally don't exceed 25 kts, usually about 15 kts, so 10 to 15 nm range is a sufficient routine range setting on those radars.

From memory fishing boat radars only emit about 25 watts of energy, so think a mirror/lens focused 25 watt light bulb as illuminator, to get an idea of how weak these radars are. The ones on ships may be 100 watts, due to a higher position on the superstructure, which means they can see further out toward the horizon. So requires 4 times the energy to see an area about double the radius of the fishing boat radar.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:53 | 4567584 Payne
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There is a football shaped search area defined by the limits of 2 arcs, one the fuel range the other satelite reception.  Then layer in all shore base military radar on at wee hours of morning.  The last heading of the aircraft when in known radar contact should be excluded, diversion.  Then bring up all airfields active and inactive that have runway length even close.  Exclude Diego Garcia and others similar, too many people to buy off silence.  You will need to control every voice.  Landing a 777 on Diego Garcia unless in the middle of the night will get people talking, maybe you clear the base of all personel and contractors, doubt it.  You need a long decent runway 4000 ft to 5000 ft.  The last 1000 feet can be dirt.

A hangar and fuel truck. The plane could have been landed an hour after the last radar contact and the electrical system wasn't shut down on purpose to provide a wider search area. 

The story about the GRU doesn't work that would have been a last minute grab to get the cargo while in flight, but the pilots wife had gone missing prior.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 17:24 | 4569574 Element
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I would have used a private sealed strip, very few people to deal with. But if the reason to land is fuel, you need a tanker. It is annoying that what JORN OTHR saw (if it was taking regional snapshots) is not available to narrow it down, as it would be easy to eliminate all other identified oceanic flightplans, to find the missing jet contact.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 03:22 | 4566688 Kina
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Smoke overcomes crew.  

 

Crew and passengers have air masks that can keep them going for a long time and myriad ways to communicate in system failures.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 03:27 | 4566691 Kina
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Also if a fire was so bad as to put out all and every communications then auto Pilot would have been toast also... Plane would have wandered and crashed much sooner,

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 05:33 | 4566764 Element
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Yes, good point.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 03:34 | 4566696 Freewheelin Franklin
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It flew up Putin's ass and he shit it out all over Crimea.

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 05:40 | 4566769 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Duh?

First thing that was apparent on seeing the flight sim setup.

Oh sure, guy w/ 18,000 hours wants to go home and fly virtually.

Trolls, trolls, trolls.

Spookey.

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 05:44 | 4566774 RadioactiveRant
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Pilot has prostest detour, US military unable to identify flight heading toward their Diego Garcia base on BIOT shoot it down. Realising they've killed 150 nationals of another super power US keeps quiet while assisting the search and scooping up any of the remains...

If it was going to fly into anything it would have done it by now, western countries would by now be expecting something similar if they didn't know otherwise, it would make far more sense to do it before everyones looking for it; if the passengers were going to be used as hostages demands would have been made by now.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:07 | 4566787 Cacete de Ouro
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ANYTHING Jay Carney rules out must most definitely be ruled in ->

"
The United States has ruled out the possibility of the missing Malaysian plane landing at its Indian Ocean base in Diego Garcia.

"I'll rule that one out," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters yesterday when asked about such news reports appearing mainly in the Chinese press.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/malaysianairlinemystery2014/us-...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:08 | 4567098 Thought Processor
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That's also a non-denial.  He could have outright denied it but notice he didn't.

 

More evidence.  Thanks.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 16:01 | 4569247 Cacete de Ouro
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Yes, and what does "rule that one out" mean anyway? It's like saying 'pass' in a TV quiz show....

White House reporters surely must just be in it for the money and the free coffee, and maybe the bragging rights at cocktail parties

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:39 | 4566812 Cacete de Ouro
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More lies from US Officials via CNN mouthpiece

"Nothing suspicious on pilot flight simulator", which directly contradicts the Malay Mail Online report quoted in this ZH report

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/statuses/445993005481472002

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:48 | 4566823 magpie
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Right now...this story of aerial misfortune & misadventure & magical teleportation is entering the blame the kgb phase - but expect reentry into the blame Malaysian Psycho Pilot/Al Quiada/electrical fire/CIA/Aliens/Iranians phase later on.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 06:55 | 4566827 Sandmann
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Speaking of Diego Garcia which is British-owned and US-occupied, perhaps Britain should refuse to extend the lease in December 2014 so the US doesn't claim proprietary rights as indicated in this ZH article ?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 07:09 | 4566830 smacker
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The British govt has long been well and truly in bed with the US govt on anything which comes close to national security and foreign policy. Some years ago, a security expert said that "for all intents and purposes MI6 was a branch office of the CIA" and takes orders accordingly.

Thus, I cannot see the British govt withdrawing US access to Diego Garcia any time soon.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 07:04 | 4566829 Cacete de Ouro
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New Straits Times: MH370 - Data logs on three flight simulator scenarios deleted on Feb 3.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-simulator...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 07:33 | 4566854 Cacete de Ouro
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Critical documents that have not been published yet?

1. MH370 Cargo Declaration including all cargo manifest documents concerning airway bill (like a bill of lading); clearance from last port of call, in transit shipments, warehousing shipments, re-exported shipments, and ownership/agency of all shipments.

2. MH370 last maintenance report: Details of the plane's maintenance at KL International hangar on February 23, including maintenance undertaken, who requested maintenance, who performed maintenance, who signed off, what was Boeing's involvement etc

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/asiapacific/mh370-underwent/102867...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:10 | 4567107 Thought Processor
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Both of the above are critical questions which need to answered.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:15 | 4566920 rustymason
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There is no plane.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:24 | 4566946 Ghostdog
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Notice all the press lately on the show "Lost" and the 10th year anniversary? This is all a Hollywood promo for the new DVD box set...... Duh

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:44 | 4567012 shinobi-7
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Although I enjoyed the mystery we must eventually come to reason and reason says that this pilot is probably right:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/03/chris-goodfellow/the-malaysian-jetlin...

The plane had an emergency, the pilot could not communicate but turned back to Langkawi which for some reason (loss of consiousness?) they never reached.

Unfortunately, this implies that the plane is now lost in the middle of the Indian Ocean.

No terorists, no crime, nothing, just an emergency which didn't end well. Most likely indeed.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:10 | 4567101 TrulyStupid
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The behaviour of the plane after the transponder stopped transmitting is very similar to the Payne Stewart air crash:

http://www.golftoday.co.uk/news/yeartodate/news00/stewart9.html

It flew on unnatended autopilot with all passengers and crew comatose from a sudden cabin decrompression, altitude varying greatly, until it crashed,out of fuel.

A structural failure of the fuselage along cracks under the aerial could have caused the failure of the transmission sytems, as well as rendering passengers unconscious...no cell [phone communications were logged after this event. The crew could have survived the initial event with enough time to turn the plane around and engage the autopilot on a new heading.

These conspiracy theories focussing on a pilot who left no suicide note, had no known confederates and no discernable motive are just feeble attempts to keep the "war on terror" narrative alive. A conclusion of structural failure and poor maintenance, would not be welcome by either Boeing or Malaysian airlines and their insureres..so another explanation must be found.

Structural/mechanical failure is statistically most likely, followed by pilot error usually in response to some abnormal condition. My money is on the most likely.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:23 | 4567167 shinobi-7
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I agree. The pilot was experimented which is probably why he succeded against the odds to put the plane back towards Langkawi before losing consciousness . (I know this airport, it is indeed an easy one to approach.) Then, nothing, it just flew strait until the jetfuel ran out.

At this stage, it seems far more logical than all the conspiracy theories we are reading all over the place.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:29 | 4567194 shinobi-7
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Above all, what is indeed despicable is the desperate attempts to find terrorists everywhere. First the Iranians, then the pilots... anything but mechanical!

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 18:02 | 4569707 Martian Tourist
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Aren't they saying the plane steered through waypoints after the transponder went off?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 20:44 | 4570195 Ocean22
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Except where's the wreckage ? Oil slick? Anything ? Suitcase?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 08:47 | 4571769 TrulyStupid
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5 hours of fuel time out into the Indian Ocean on the last heading + distance moved by currents in the last week.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:31 | 4567068 Youri Carma
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- Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu.
- Satellite data suggests that the last "ping" was received from the flight somewhere close to the Maldives and the US naval base on Diego Garcia.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/youricarma/Miscellaneous/MH370-KudaHuvadhoo-DiegoGarcia-000_zpsf6aa3f76.jpg

Source: http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062

Was Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Redirected to Diego Garcia? http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/

MH370: Diego Garcia runway found in Captain Zaharie's flight simulator http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/mh370-diego-garcia-runway-found-in-captain-zaharies-flight-simulator-32034

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:05 | 4567089 TerraHertz
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http://everist.org/MH370/mh370_arcs_rubbish.htm

"MH370 Is On These Arcs" Rubbish Lies

That needs updating with some more recent information. But basically things are the same - the MSM is still issuing contradictory rubbish about how that 'arcs map' could have been derived from satellite data. I'm still convinced the 'arcs' are bullshit, rushed out to short circuit the growing interest in Diego Garcia. I still think that's where MH370 went.

Now there's the story today a plane matching MH370's appearance was seen passing over the Maldived going from Nth to SE, around 6:15am on March 8. That's heading in the direction of Diego Garcia.

If it was going to Diego Garcia with US complicity, the question of how it evaded all civilian radar detection and most military radar, is entirely moot. It would have had an AWACs escort, running electronic countermeasures to hide it from simle radar systems. Only a few military radars with anti-jamming frequency agility and other schemes could see MH370.

Then the question is, why? Why did the US take it, either forcibly by electronic remote autopilot hijack, or with the cooperation of the crew? (I'd bet on the 1st option there.)

Here's a few thoughts. All total conjecture.

1. Attack on Bejing gone wrong. The plane was carrying something in cargo that was to have been a surprise US attack on Bejing, probably made to appear like a terrorism attack. Perhaps something biological? Likely to be blamed on the Uighurs, as a followup to that swords attack on the train. Oh look, top google hit atm is: Uighur leader: "We have plans for many attacks in China."

Another factor is that on 27th Feb, our old mate Dick Cheney, Mr "the orders still stand", spent half an hour on a US talk show explaining how one EMP bomb over the USA could take out the entire US electrical grid for YEARS. Ref:
http://www.hannity.com/show/2014/02/27
http://www.premiereinteractive.com/cgi-bin/members.cgi?stream=2014/02/Se... Cheney segment starts at 17:10
It's very kind of Dick to warn us, but you know with Neocons when they mention that you could get punched in the face by someone else, it means they are planning to punch you in the face.

So was that the idea? Bejing gets hit, then 'blames the USA for no reason', and suddenly there's an EMP over the US? Meanwhile God knows what's happening in Ukraine. But Globalist Mission Accomplished - China and USA knocked back to pre-industrial age, global population cull ON, and no one pointing fingers at the Elites.

Except that something went wrong. There have been claims there was a special container on the plane, loaded from a US-flagged freighter. But that China got wind of the plan, and was going to intercept the plane and force it to land on an island off China's mainland. And the US mission controlers found out their plan was blown, while the plane was in the air. Urrgh! Can't let the cargo fall into Chinese government hands, it would look bad... (ie the US government would end up in the Hague on genocide charges.) So they AWACs-hijacked it to Diego Garcia, never to be seen again. Because the diversion was impromptu, the whole thing is a dog's breakfast. No workable media script at all.

2. Hostages. So, the USA is making a lot of threats regarding Ukraine. It's almost as if they imagine there's something the USA can do about Russian recovery of Crimea, and get away with. But the US also will want to avoid China aligning with Russia in any 'limited' conflict. Supposing the US govt was planning some small scale strike against Russian forces, and was going to stage it from Diego Garcia. Where do you think a Russian counter-strike would be? Juicy target that island - it's way isolated, yet a critical US air staging point. Maybe the US just acquired 239 hostages on the island, most of them Chinese. Russia and China would both know all about this, which is why they are not saying much. Because hostages, who gives a shit when it comes to nuking a US base? And that's why I don't see that one as very likely.

3. Gold. MH370 had 20 tons of cargo, heading into China. A lot of gold has been going into China recently. The US GOV/FED tentacle monster is hungry for gold and cares not at all for lives. No further elaboration needed. Have AWACs electronic hijack ability, will use it.

Yes, these all involve US government involvement. It's the way of the world these days.

Have you noticed how polarizing MH370 is? There are the people who know the US government is out of control and will do *anything* it pleases, including mass murders like 911. So Air Piracy is no big deal - of course they would if they wished to.
Then there are the people who still (somehow, blindly) believe the government is good, and would never do such a thing. They even act shocked at such suggestions, as if it's the first they ever heard of such ideas. Because the government never did anything like that before, why would they start now? I find this just jaw-dropping. How is such blind ignorance still possible? Hmm... I guess via CNN/ABC/CBC/etc.

I wonder what a 'surprise forceful inspection' of Diego Garcia by a joint Russian & Chinese force would turn up now? Is it too late for the MH370 passengers?

This is my collection of MH370 news article URLs, in chronological order: 

http://everist.org/archives/links/_Flight_MH370_disappearance_links.txt

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:18 | 4567131 Thought Processor
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There is likely no evidence at Diego Garcia now.   Plane was probably turned around within a window of 10 hours or so.   It most likely did not stay there long at all.

Passengers off loaded-  Cargo off loaded.  Plane re-fueled and re-tagged as either a private transport or military flight (easy to do at Diego where flights are taking off and landing all the time).  Take off again under the cover of darkness and fly virtually anywhere there is a remote runway with a hanger large enough for a 777.

And it's gone.  

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:42 | 4567233 Cacete de Ouro
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Dog's breakfast

Yes, something special in the cargo. The Chinese were going to divert the plane to Hainan and then suddenly it was doubling back and flown to Diego Garcia..

Given the 'lack of smoothness" of the subsequent cover up, I would even go so far as to call it a dog's dinner (assuming that a dog's dinner is considered even more of a mess than a dog's breakfast)

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:03 | 4567299 Cacete de Ouro
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TerraHertz: Yes, those 2 corridor charts and trajectories are completely bogus. Good stuff on your site.

I think the Malaysians are being blackmailed and threatened to keep a lid on this (and doing a bad job of it since they are dunces - what do you expect from interrelated cronies where the lack of competition has diluted the talent pool over the years).

Then this laughable attempt from the Malaysian transport minister, as quoted in the Straits Times (Singapore):

"Malaysia says no sighting of MH370 in Maldives" March 19, 2014

"
SEPANG - Malaysia's Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said Maldives has clarified that it was not true the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was sighted in its airspace.

He also told reporters on Wednesday that the passengers and crew of MH370 are innocent till proven otherwise.

"Regarding reports that the plane was sighted in the Maldives, I can confirm that the Malaysian Chief of the Defence Force has contacted his counterpart in the Maldives, who has confirmed that these reports are not true,'' he told a press briefing.
"
http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/malays...

WTF? "I can confirm that the Malaysian Chief of the Defence Force has contacted his counterpart in the Maldives, who has confirmed that these reports are not true,'' he told a press briefing."

The Maldives is another autocratic cesspit of corruption in case anyone didn't know.

Confirmed that the reports are not true? Haha...if this is the best they can do I think it will fall apart soon, no thanks to the dumb journalists at those press conferences who seem to be taking it lying down

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 20:36 | 4570176 Ocean22
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Excellent insights. Enjoyed that post

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:20 | 4567146 Kina
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Not quite normalcy bias...but you get the idea..

 

People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

 

People have difficulty accepting an explanation outside the norm, even if evidence cannot easily fit their wanted normalcy. The prefer to choose from a list of well known answers than consider something very unusual.

To these types of people all the 'conspiracy theories' regarding gold, libor, market and so forth manipulation would have been consider tin hat.... until of course they became conspiracy fact.

When presented with various pieces of evidence you first fit scenarios that most easily fit, the produce other scenarios that don't obviously fit. It doesn't mean you believe in any particular scenario, just that it cannot be ruled out. Up until other evidence or context arise that allow you to demote a scenario.

Experience with the aviation industry leads us to first think that the planes loss would be via plane failure and or pilot error, hijack gone wrong, pilot suicide.

Most wont accept a plane theft even if the facts fit that scenario best. Like in all crimes we need proper motive, and for this scenario despite all the facts there is no obvious motive.

Especially since stealing a plane according to the detail we think we know could only have been by a government, its military and or secret service.

And the only fathomable reason for that would be something extraordinarily special on the plane. But you woud think there would be easier ways to get to such cargo prior to loading onto a plane. Especially since stealing a plane would take some considerable planning and logistics.

 

The problem I find with the fire scenario..if it was bad enough to take out the transponder and all communications then it would most likley have totally stuffed up the auto pilot...and you wouldn't be able to set way points, flight paths via a computer panel. The planes of air/oxygen maskes also so the likelihood of pilots making adjustments then being unconcious is very unlikely...though not impossible.

 

The terrorist hijack scenario fails since it doesn't require transponder disabling...as their deed would be discovered at wherever they land anyway. Deliberate human disabling of communications and transponder systems points only to theft.

 

Many scenarios are possible..including theft...so I rule none out...and am not ruled by normalcy bias.

 

 

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:24 | 4567171 TrulyStupid
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And who would buy the stolen plane? or fence it? or did it go to a chop shop in Tijuana. WTF are you smoking?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:17 | 4567374 jnesfield
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The aircraft is probably sitting North Korea and everyone is attempting to find a reason not to go to war.  North Korea has an interesting history regarding commercial aircraft.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:54 | 4567594 tstraus
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Anything like this theory is possible, and given the amazing sequence of world events and the global media frenzy over da plane, da plane from little Tattoo to every major news outlet completely fogging out all other, far more significant news with sustainable global geopolitical impact, one can also wonder not only about the "lost" plane with dispossable people on board but also about the perfect timing and the immediate overwhelming focus on nothing else. 

It does bear to remember that the indigenous people of this island paradise turned into an outpost for the Fascist Empire of the United States were illegally and totally inhumanely forceed to leave their homes and most possessions behind and dumped over a thousand miles away into abject poverty with little to no support, the Chagos refugees, that is what is left of them alive, have been trying to return to their island for the past 40 years. The Brits "sold" the US the island of Diego Garcia for an off-budget discount on a Polaris Submarine, and were denied to the world by the US and Britain to have ever existed on their natural and rightful home for 20-30 years before it becam public. Does the US Empire care what happened to the people on that flight, I assure they do not and if there are tears anywhere in our government or Britain's they are crocodile tears. This is a relatively recent event...immoral, unethical and total coverup. We have met the enemy, and it is "our" government.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 11:15 | 4567700 robertocarlos
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Beijing should launch an attack. The USA attack theory is credible enough. Sell those bonds.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 11:21 | 4567725 jmac2013
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Snowden and Assange hijacked it along with Buzz Aldrin, who consequently flew it to and vertically landed the Boeing on the moon (just to show off his vertical landing skills).

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 11:39 | 4567814 Cacete de Ouro
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Not very helpful comment, and not very humorous either

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 13:59 | 4568532 Cacete de Ouro
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BBC mentions Maldives sighting and flight simulator data but is not able to bring itself to use the words "Diego Garcia"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26644085

Well, it is the BBC after all, and it would not be in the 'national interest' to go there.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 15:53 | 4569216 Cacete de Ouro
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Very interesting about Pakistan, but why would McInerney reveal such info on Fox's Hannity show, and in a similar vain why would a Boeing source tell Lignet, unless they just like talking and can't keep quiet about it, or else it's a series of subtle hints?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 20:42 | 4570188 zionhead
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Obama: Missing Malaysian jet a 'top priority' USA TODAY‎ - 23 minutes ago

"Malaysia is doing everything in its power to find MH370 and hopefully bring some degree of closure for those whose family members are missing." Police are 

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Well now I feel better, ... a day away from reggie,... hell even Bibi is looking for the airplane in Iran an Israel.

Obama is going to search Reggies toy box.

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