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Is This The Provocation? Ukraine Soldier Allegedly Killed By Russians In Crimea

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As feared earlier, the attack by "unidentified" forces on a Ukrainemilitary base in Semferopol has resulted in fatalities:

  • *UKRAINE SOLDIER KILLED AFTER UNIDENTIFIED GUNMEN STORMED BASE
  • *UKRAINE SOLDIER'S DEATH IN CRIMEA CONFIRMED BY DEFENSE MINISTRY

And two further "self-defense" fighters are injured. Once again it seems the market misread Putin's comments and one wonders how will Turchynov respond?

 

The incident occurred in Crimea's main city of Simferopol, regional defence ministry spokesman Vladislav Seleznyov said, without specifying whether the base was stormed by Russian soldiers or pro-Kremlin militia who also patrol the peninsula.

 

Via Interfax,

One self-defense fighter has been killed and two more injured in Simferopol, according to the Crimean news agency which cited a source in the republic's Interior Ministry.

 

The self-defense fighters were shot by a sniper from an uncompleted building opposite a Ukrainian military base, the source said.

 

 

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Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:25 | 4563630 jovius
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Snipers again.

 

Why do these things always start with unknown snipers I wonder?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:28 | 4563655 ihatecats
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only unknown to the sheep

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:33 | 4563695 Jurassic
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baah. Baaaaah

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:35 | 4563712 Thought Processor
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Pics or it didn't happen.

 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:48 | 4563821 Anusocracy
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Apparently the new Ukraine Gov doesn't mind sacrificing a few of their own.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:48 | 4565483 BellyBrain
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I wonder who the sniper(s) actually work for?  Maybe some banksters who want/crave/need a war to advance their disgusting agendas?  Probably.

 

It is obviously NOT Russia, as this is very much against their interests.  Besides, if the Russian military wanted to take the base, they would TAKE it, not snipe one or two guards.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 21:51 | 4566137 LMAOLORI
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@Anusocracy =1

I bet you won't hear it reported this way in the U.S.

Crimea crisis: Fears of war grow after Ukrainian officer is killed at military base in Simferopol

snip..

"However, there were indications that it was the separatist Crimean government’s recently created “Self Defence Forces” who had actually carried out the fatal attack."

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:50 | 4563836 redpill
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Syria...Ukraine...fucking Ogolfer can't even do false flags right.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:28 | 4564116 furgheddubouddit
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Russia has no reason to open fire on Ukrainian soldiers.

It got everything it wanted, and now controls Crimea.

All Russia has to do is wait for Ukrainian soldiers still holed up in Crimea to run out of food and supplies, and they'll eventually be forced to abandon their posts.

So let's see who DOES have an interest in shooting Ukrainian soldiers and escalating the situation there.

I can certainly think of a few suspects; the main ones being those same scumbags in Kiev who opened fire on their own protestors a month ago......

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 15:38 | 4564762 JR
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This is what the fog of war is all about: it’s a lie. It’s the endless stream of propaganda. And when it’s one sided as it is from the U.S. media, there’s no telling what the truth is.

Saddam Hussein was killed and hundreds of thousands died because he had weapons of mass destruction.

Oh, wait. He didn’t. Oh, darn.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:37 | 4563731 Who Laughed
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Bahlackwater 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:47 | 4563815 European American
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Moooossad.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:11 | 4564002 Tim_
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His buddies better hold on tight to his organs.


Kiev snipers hired by new coalition, not Yanukovych - Estonian FM to Ashton

"The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online."


Despite calls for neutrality in Ukraine protests, young Jews are on the front lines

"Despite calls by Jewish leaders to remain neutral, young Jews have been on the front lines of protests against Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich."

"Alexandra Oleynikova, a young Jewish activist involved in organizing Limmud conferences, told [The Jerusalem Post] that while some Jews stayed away out of fear, others had flocked to Maidan."

"These Jewish protesters, she said, 'stand there nights and days; they really live there now and they help people who come to find accommodations. They bring food and they collect money.'"

"Some young Ukrainian Jews who work for international organizations such as JDC, Hillel and Limmud are 'really active' in offering support as well as 'organizing the barricades,' Oleynikova said."

"On November 30, when government forces staged a massive push against the barricades, attacking and beating protesters, she said, 'my friends were on the front lines of the fighting against the troops.'"

"Reading about the protests on Facebook and seeing anti-Semitic comments is different from the reality on the ground, Oleynikova added."


Israeli ex-officer leads Ukraine protests: Reports

"According to reports, the unnamed Israeli commands a group of 20 Ukrainian militants."

"Four other Israelis, who had previously served in the army, were recently reported to have taken part in opposition rallies in Ukraine’s capital, Kiev."

"Meanwhile, Ukrainian media said that an Israeli tycoon provides financial support to the opposition in Ukraine, adding that Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency is one of the instigators of the unrest in the country."


Victoria Nuland spoke at the National Press Club on December 13, 2013 - Video

Victoria Nuland (jew) admitted that the US government has spent over five billion dollars to subvert the Ukrainian government.


The ex-Israeli soldier who led a Kiev fighting unit

"'Delta' has headed 'the Blue Helmets of Maidan' of 40 men and women - including several IDF veterans - in violent clashes with government forces."

"He calls his troops 'the Blue Helmets of Maidan,' but brown is the color of the headgear worn by Delta — the nom de guerre of the commander of a Jewish-led militia force that participated in the Ukrainian revolution.

Under his helmet, he also wears a kippah."

"'I don’t belong [to Svoboda], but I take orders from their team. They know I’m Israeli, Jewish and an ex-IDF soldier. They call me 'brother,'' he said. 'What they’re saying about Svoboda is exaggerated, I know this for a fact. I don’t like them because they’re inconsistent, not because of [any] anti-Semitism issue.'"

"But Delta says the Kremlin is using the anti-Semitism card falsely to delegitimize the Ukrainian revolution, which is distancing Ukraine from Russia’s sphere of influence."

"'It’s bullshit. I never saw any expression of anti-Semitism during the protests, and the claims to the contrary were part of the reason I joined the movement. We’re trying to show that Jews care,' he said."


The jews shot the protesters, so they could harvest their organs.

"But Delta has another, more ambitious, project: He and Azman are organizing the airborne evacuation of seriously wounded protesters — none of them Jewish — for critical operations in Israel. One of the patients, a 19-year-old woman, was wounded at Institutskaya by a bullet that penetrated her eye and is lodged inside her brain, according to Delta. Azman says he hopes the plane of 17 patients will take off next week, with funding from private donors and with help from Ukraine’s ambassador to Israel."

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 16:34 | 4565016 hot sauce technician
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So it all comes down to organ harvesting, yes? The zios somehow create and direct, going to enormous expense (this production costs money), a revolution in a country of limited interest to them to hook up some kidneys and hearts, when they instead could just go to the right people in China and score such organs for a couple of grand. Sounds legit.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 17:09 | 4565129 Rafferty
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I agree that Tim's proposition is ridiculous.  Problem is, whatever stone you turn over has Jews underneath it.  Just look at the latest Ukrainian incarnation, only a few thousand in the country yet they hold most of the top political positions and the country's wealth.  My point is that seeing such things on a continual basis leads to your believing that they're capable of anything. In a sense it's like the reverse of the boy who cried wolf...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 17:44 | 4565244 Tim_
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Obviously, organ harvesting is a crime of opportunity. You could call it a perk. The jews are always first on the scene to any mass casualty incident, just like Haiti.


Israeli butchers harvesting corneas in Haiti - Video


Israel admits to organ thefts

"Israel has admitted that it harvested organs from the dead bodies of Palestinians and Israelis in the 1990s, without permission from their families."

"The admission follows the release of an interview with Jehuda Hiss, the former head of Israel's forensic institute, in which he said that workers at the institute had harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from Israelis, Palestinians and foreign workers."

"In the interview, which was conducted in 2000 when Hiss was head of Tel Aviv's Abu Kabir forensic institute, he said: 'We started to harvest corneas ... Whatever was done was highly informal. No permission was asked from the family.'"

"During his interview with Scheper-Hughes, Hiss said that the eyelids of bodies were glued shut to prevent the removal of corneas being found out."


"Our sons are plundered of their organs"

"Palestinians accuse the Israel Defense Forces of taking organs from their victims. Donald Boström writes about an international organ trafficking scandal – and about the time he saw the cut-up dead body of a nineteen-year old Palestinian."

"You could call me a 'matchmaker', said Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, from Brooklyn, USA, in a secret recording with an FBI-agent whom he believed to be a client."

"Rosenbaum’s matchmaking had nothing to do with romance. It was all about buying and selling kidneys from Israel on the black market."

"Rabbis, politicians and trusted civil servants had for years been involved in money laundering and illegal organ-trade."

"On the question of how many organs he has sold Rosenbaum replies: 'Quite a lot. And I have never failed,' he boasts. The business has been running for quite some time."

"Israel has repeatedly been under fire for its unethical ways of dealing with organs and transplants. France was among the countries that ceased organ collaboration with Israel in the nineties. Jerusalem Post wrote that 'the rest of the European countries are expected to follow France’s example shortly.'"

"At a conference in 2003 it was shown that Israel is the only western country with a medical profession that doesn’t condemn the illegal organ trade. The country takes no legal measures against doctors participating in the illegal business – on the contrary, chief medical officers of Israel’s big hospitals are involved in most of the illegal transplants, according to Dagens Nyheter (December 5, -03)."

"While the campaign was running, young Palestinian men started to disappear from villages in the West Bank and Gaza. After five days Israeli soldiers would bring them back dead, with their bodies ripped open."

"Talk of the bodies terrified the population of the occupied territories. There were rumors of a dramatic increase of young men disappearing, with ensuing nightly funerals of autopsied bodies."

"On several occasions I was approached by UN staff concerned about the developments. The persons contacting me said that organ theft definitely occurred but that they were prevented from doing anything about it."

"Five days earlier, on May 13, 1992, an Israeli special force had used the village’s carpentry workshop for an ambush. The person they were assigned to put out of action was Bilal Achmed Ghanan, one of the stone-throwing Palestinian youngsters who made life difficult for the Israeli soldiers."

"As Bilal was put in the grave his chest was uncovered. Suddenly it became clear to the few people present just what kind of abuse the boy had been exposed to. Bilal was not by far the first young Palestinian to be buried with a slit from his abdomen up to his chin."

"The families in the West Bank and in Gaza felt that they knew exactly what had happened: 'Our sons are used as involuntary organ donors,' relatives of Khaled from Nablus told me, as did the mother of Raed from Jenin and the uncles of Machmod and Nafes from Gaza, who had all disappeared for a number of days only to return at night, dead and autopsied."


Stealing Ukraine's gold is another one of the jews' perks.


Tonight from "Borispol" in the U.S. strartoval plane with gold reserves of Ukraine

(Translated)

"According to the staff 'Boryspil', before it came to the airport four collector car and two cargo minibus Volkswagen, thus, all the arriving truck license plate missing. Car pulled out of about fifteen people in black uniforms, masks and body armor. Some of them were armed with machine guns. These people have downloaded the plane more than forty heavy boxes ..."

"After that, some mysterious men arrived too entered the plane. All loading was carried out in a huge hurry. After unloading the car without license plates immediately left the runway, and the plane took off on an emergency basis ..."

"All who saw this mysterious 'special operation' airport officials immediately notified the administration of 'Boryspil', from which received a strong recommendation 'not to meddle in other people's business' ..."

"Later, the editors called back one of the senior officials of the former Ministry of income and fees, which reported that, according to him, tonight, on the orders of one of the 'new leaders' of Ukraine in the United States has been taken all the gold reserves in Ukraine..."


Ukrainian gold reserves loaded on an unidentified transport aircraft in Kiev’s Borispol airport and flown to Uncle Sam’s vault

"A source in the Ukrainian government confirmed that the transfer of the gold reserves of Ukraine to the United States was ordered by the acting PM Arseny Yatsenyuk."


Arseniy Yatsenyuk is a jew.


Ukraine: The Rise of Yatsenyuk

"Yatsenyuk has two major issues that will come to a head before the elections. Firstly he is Jewish, which according to political analyst Taras Kuzio, could pose a major problem."


Who exactly is governing Ukraine?

"In the past Yatsenyuk has held several high-profile positions including head of the country's central bank, the National Bank of Ukraine, foreign minister and parliamentary speaker."

"He has played down his Jewish-Ukrainian origins... ."

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 18:28 | 4565411 Tim_
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Igor Kolomoysky is a jew.


Rule by oligarchs: Kiev appoints billionaires to govern east

"The newly-appointed Dnepropetrovsk governor is Igor Kolomoysky, Ukraine’s third-wealthiest man, with an estimated fortune of $2.4 billion."

"Kolomoysky has a dual Ukrainian-Israeli citizenship and controls his business empire from Switzerland."


Akhmetov joins Ukraine oligarchs in pledging to protect homeland

"Rabbi Shmuel Kaminezki, spiritual leader of the Jewish community in Dnipropetrovsk, praised Mr Kolomoisky and denied Russian claims that extremists out to persecute Russians and other minorities had taken over power in Ukraine."

"'The Jewish community is very proud of his decision to leave his comfort zone and really devote himself...to protect the homeland and develop the region,' the Rabbi said."

"'What the Russians, with their propaganda on television and in their statements, are doing is trying to show that Ukraine is anti-Semitic, which is not true. It is very safe here for the Jews. This new Ukrainian leadership is not a fascist leadership, they are patriots,' he added."

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:57 | 4563889 JuliaS
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Baahrack Obaaaahma!

Rolls right off the tongue, doesn't it?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:54 | 4563863 Abitdodgie
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What is a "self defence" fighter , is it an American asset or just some wnabe ninja.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:56 | 4563875 Meat Hammer
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Now we know why all those Blackwater "contractors" showed up.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:28 | 4563657 666
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Unknown? Sure it isn't the USSA or western powers trying to provoke a conflict? Isn't that what got the whole Ukraine mess started?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:37 | 4563665 Canadian Dirtlump
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Judging by the flurry of tax payer funded down votes at my comment in the other thread about it being a false flag provocation, I would say, yes.

 

They start with unkown 3rd party western funded snipers in order to start the party of course.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:38 | 4563741 Jack Burton
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Yes, snipers always turn up where it suits US national intesests. Amazing!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:59 | 4563903 Stock Jobber
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Because of course Russia would never shoot anyone.  That's just crazy talk.  The fact is, whenever anyone on god's green earth gets shot, you can be sure the dastardly (yet ingenious) USA is behind it.  Without the USA the world would be a love filled utopia with deal leader Vlad presiding in fraternal beneficence over all of our blissful lives...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 17:12 | 4565142 Rafferty
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Always ask cui bono?  It most certainly is NOT in Russia's interest to start a shooting war in Crimea.   It's the last thing they'd want.  It's nothing to do with Putin or the Russians being the nice guys. They're not.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:44 | 4563784 therearetoomany...
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I dunno....let's ask JFK...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:45 | 4563796 Ifigenia
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adademi scholars at their best.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:26 | 4563638 QQQBall
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Oh Oh.... That is gonna call for another red line.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:29 | 4563667 Ignatius
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Or the infamous 'double dare ya' (in red marker, of course).

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:39 | 4563745 UGrev
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next we'll see Biden outside with his tongue stuck to a pole. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:57 | 4563891 Anusocracy
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I suppose there are gay Polish gigolos in Ukraine.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:30 | 4563649 deus x machina
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i'm waiting for flight 370 that disapeared on 3/7 and the plane was a 777(3/ 7's) to show up some time soon

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:28 | 4563654 Wolferl
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Unknown sniper. Code word for: CIA operation.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:39 | 4563744 Thought Processor
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Seriously, the Ukraine must be Spookville at this point between Russian FSB and Western / CIA goons.

 

It'll be impossible to tell the difference between what is real and what is State Sponsored at this piont.

 

Pure Theater.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:00 | 4563905 Wolferl
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The Russians own the place, sweetheard, they don´t need a covered operation. Bussy day for you as a paid shill, isn´t it?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:28 | 4563664 kchrisc
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Lon Horiuchi is that you?!
Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:35 | 4563714 chunga
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That scum specializes in shooting unarmed women.

I get pissed off every time I see his name.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:49 | 4564204 Tim_
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Lon Horiuchi murdered Vicki Weaver while she was holding her 10-month-old baby, Elisheba, in her arms. Deputy US Marshal Larry Cooper shot Randy Weaver's 14-year-old son, Sammy, in the back, murdering him. Deputy US Marshal Art Roderick shot Sammy's dog as he was playing at his feet.

None of the US government agents were ever punished for their crimes.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:29 | 4563666 Sleepless Knight
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The West really wants this to escalate quickly - time is running out.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:33 | 4563690 TheGermanGuy
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"The west" is too broad a term. There are as always different players involved, with different interests

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:47 | 4563813 NotApplicable
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Interesting thing about collectives. There is never a completely proper term.

Must be why some individuals cannot function without them.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:55 | 4563876 GoldSilverWolf
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Instead of "The West", how about "Oceania"?  Oceania comprises the Americas, the Atlantic islands including the British Isles, Australasia, and the southern portion of Africa.  (No prizes for spotting the origin of that definition, sorry.)

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:06 | 4563963 Stock Jobber
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Why don't we just admit that this entire world is crap excepted for that benighted saint Vlad heroically struggling against all odds to bring peace and normalcy to the rest of the world.  Once Gambling, Gayness, and Dissent have been vanguished world wide you won't have to worry about Oceania any more.  Vlad will deliver you from all evils, give you a meal voucher and a line to stand in.  You will be home.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:17 | 4564042 mccvilb
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Meal voucher? Is that like an EBT card?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:31 | 4563677 Jurassic
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Now, when Crimea is back in Russia, whats the status of Ukrainian military bases there?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:32 | 4563687 f16hoser
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DUH!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:42 | 4563772 shovelhead
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I suppose it would seem rather cheeky for the Ukraine to ask Putin for a loan to lease, man and operate them.

Maybe Kerry will fix them up with some of your tax money.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:55 | 4563778 Jack Burton
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The Ukrainian military units are being given options to either be escorted safely to Ukraine proper, or if they like they can join the Russian forces after security clearance and remain as soldiers. They can leave service and live in Crimea as civilians if they like. The only option Russia is not allowing is for them to remain on Crimean soil as armed soldiers of the Kiev Government.

Kiev is now training the Eruo Midan mob as soldiers in bases around Ukraine, NPR interviewed several former Euro Midan Rioters who are now getting military training and arms. They vow to burn Crimea to the ground if it is not returned to it's owner, them.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:00 | 4563910 Johnny Cocknballs
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Ivan has to see this kind of fuckery coming.

Does he let USAID/NED/State/CIA open a vein in Crimea, or does he make a countermove elsewhere? 

 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:11 | 4563999 Stock Jobber
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"Either be escorted safely to Ukraine proper, or if they like they can join the Russian forces after security clearance and remain as soldiers. They can leave service and live in Crimea as civilians if they like."

 

One other option is to stand by Ukraine and to be shot like dogs.  Vlad the humanitarian.  It's disgusting.  But hey, don't let it bother you, just blame the f'ing CIA...or the JOOOs...or the Illuminati...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:11 | 4564000 Stock Jobber
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"Either be escorted safely to Ukraine proper, or if they like they can join the Russian forces after security clearance and remain as soldiers. They can leave service and live in Crimea as civilians if they like."

 

One other option is to stand by Ukraine and to be shot like dogs.  Vlad the humanitarian.  It's disgusting.  But hey, don't let it bother you, just blame the f'ing CIA...or the JOOOs...or the Illuminati...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:31 | 4563678 Bosch
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Months ago only 41% wanted to be part of Russia.  Funny how that number magically bumps up to 93% with some guns and tanks in their faces. 

Oh well, too bad for them. 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:40 | 4563753 One And Only
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...tell me about it

"Barack Obama received more than 99% of the vote in more than 100 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio on election day."

http://www.infowars.com/fraud-obama-won-more-than-99-percent-of-the-vote...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:24 | 4564090 IridiumRebel
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It's not like Ohio is an important state to win in a national election....

/s

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:29 | 4564123 Rip van Wrinkle
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Funny that.....Oblabber's brother Saddam Hussein Oblabber also used to get 99% of the vote.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:49 | 4563824 Johnny Cocknballs
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Months ago only 41% wanted to be part of Russia.

Got a source?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:21 | 4564069 Infinite QE
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The Israel First News Agency.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:01 | 4563927 jovius
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One imagines after seeing the shitstorm in Kiev a few might possibly have changed their minds.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 17:18 | 4565159 Rafferty
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the Tatars and Ukrainian nationalists boycotted the poll.  Cleared up that one for ya!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:36 | 4563681 bigkahuna
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Agent Provacateur....this is how it starts

 

btw, it does not mean western agent - it is equally possible that this is an eastern agent.

 

Vlad wants conquest and energy distribution control, the west just wants a war to cover their sorry political asses-- to tie it up, the banking cartel on both sides wants to make a whole lot of money, so it is in the cartels's interests to begin the bloodshed. 

This is just the first agent to get around to it, and the agent could be from either side.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:49 | 4563822 NotApplicable
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Or neither.

After all, "Let's you and him fight!" is the oldest trick in the book.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:00 | 4563912 bigkahuna
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I agree that there is a probability of this, but I do not believe that either side's military actually wants to fire bullets at and kill Soldiers on the other - without provocation from outside (see banking cartels)....

This is all a swag so I could be wrong, though I feel this is the work of an agent...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:32 | 4563682 f16hoser
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$20 bucks say's it was a Black Water Merc who did the shooting???

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:35 | 4563718 Dan The Man
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More likely he did it FOR $20

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:44 | 4563789 Jack Burton
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Vidoes showed a large Blackwater force in Karkov last week. They are all over the fucking country. USA taxpayers are funding them, that is you and that is me. Lucky us. Pay your taxes and shut up, the empire has it's needs.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:51 | 4563846 European American
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Thank God, taxes are volunteered to the IRS, so those of us who choose not to support the spread of "freedom and democracy" abroad, can opt out.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:04 | 4563946 Johnny Cocknballs
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good luck with that theory. ;0}

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:32 | 4563683 Dan The Man
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Fabulous spot to try out an EMP !  

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:45 | 4563797 Jack Burton
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Iskander surface to surface missile system has an EMP optional warhead. How effective it is no one knows, probably very localized.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:57 | 4563858 viahj
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say from the belly of a 777 @ 30k feet?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:32 | 4563684 The Axe
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GOLD is creeping up....and HOW can you sell-off the VXX   crazy

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:32 | 4563689 fooshorter
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If my family was in Ukraine, I get them the fuck out now, I don't want to live in pawn state/ minefield/ battlefield. Same with Syria. These fucking monsters could care less about the real regular people that get by day to day. Even if Ukraine 'repels' Russia, they potentially will have to live together with generations of animosity...

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:33 | 4563694 Luckhasit
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I think  on of the victims is named Ferdidnand .

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:33 | 4563696 disabledvet
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masked men are killing men in Uniform with Rank and Insignia.

"Your orders are simple. Kill or be killed."

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:36 | 4563700 ebworthen
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That little weasel Yatsenyuk and his handlers probably ordered some more sniper killings to stir sympathy for their neo-Nazi putsch amongst the war mongering McStain and company.

I don't think McStain and Lindsay GrahamCracker or the other head of the two-headed hydra in Pelosi and Reid understand that there is no appetite for war amongst the populace in the U.S.

Most of us have seen too many coffins and shattered bodies and minds come home from chasing the terrorist bogeymen and guarding oil and poppy fields.  Not to mention drone bombings of Women & Children in countries we are not at war with.

Pretty sure Putin understands this more than our own CONgress.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:36 | 4563725 Son of Captain Nemo
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Pretty sure Putin understands this more than our own CONgress.

Probably reads "ZH".

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:55 | 4563871 ParkAveFlasher
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That reminds me, has anyone seen HH lately?!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:36 | 4563727 CrashisOptimistic
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Almost.  A few aircraft from Belarus with 1000 paratroopers aboard could capture the whole Kiev govt and airport in a few hours.  Then a few days later Russia would install a govt and reset the board to 8 months ago.  Then withdraw, taking the Kiev govt folks with them.

The Kiev govt knows this and are DESPERATE to get NATO boots on the ground to prevent that scenario.  They seek unpaid bodyguards, in effect.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:35 | 4563717 Son of Captain Nemo
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To Team Obama.

You will have to try harder than this.. And well, this!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:36 | 4563721 kkam
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This could be a false flag by Ukranian extremists intent on dragging the west into the conflict. We know Putin is a smart cookie – he wouldn’t do this just after a carefully crafted victory speech. First reports said it was unidentified attackers, some said snipers. As in the Kiev Maidan sniper shootings?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:36 | 4563726 kridkrid
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Was his name Robert Paulson?

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:37 | 4563729 rabbitusvomitus
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Oh my god, this is hilarious. Guess Mr. Mom Jeans little plan ain't working!

http://rt.com/politics/russian-duma-sanctions-crimea-594/

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:53 | 4563857 Volkodav
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Opa!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:02 | 4563930 shovelhead
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Lol,

Kerry: "Why is this Lyudmila Mizulina on the sanctions list? Who the fuck is she?"

State Dept staffer Brandon Lightloafers: (in whiney Nathan Lane voice)  "I just threw in that gay-bashing bitch, well, just because..."

Kerry: Ok, so she's not a potential contributor to the DNC?"

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:19 | 4564047 Son of Captain Nemo
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Every orifice of poor B. filled to "cream pie" level.

Thanks for positing this one as I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Now we know why youtube just made this announcement?!!!

Don't the American people have any pride in making it stop?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/youtube-blocks-kremlin-funded-russia-today-channel-1440729
Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:41 | 4563762 short screwed
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We're going to need more casualties than this to push the S&P over 1900.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:43 | 4563777 agstacks
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Has YouTube confirmed this?!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:46 | 4563803 Meat Hammer
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This war WILL happen. It's just a matter if time. I have no doubts.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:14 | 4564023 IridiumRebel
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Yeah, they just keep ratcheting up the rhetoric. The debt levels, the desire for NATO to have Black Sea ports, Putin seeing this as now or never for stopping western advance. We are one incident away from full fuckery. My bags are packed and ready for egress. This will go hot.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:50 | 4563835 Mr Lucky
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If one is out of work, just become a sniper. The US is hiring and has world wide placement. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:51 | 4563841 1stepcloser
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I step away from my computer to take a piss and war is breaking out... hell of time for a piss Arnold!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1HqjBc6LhA

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:52 | 4563842 Jack Burton
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The Midan sniper shootings are NOT going to be investigated. The EU and USA refuse to cooperate. Why? Because they paid for the fascist snipers to shoot both sides as the turning point event in the fascist take over of Kiev. Also, before Midan even began, thousands of Euro Midan fascists were trained in camps in Poland and Lithuania. They came fully trained as shock troops for the revolution. The NATO counties paid each Euro Midan rioter 30-40 Euro a day, a fortune by Ukrainan wage standards. The USA and EU still fully fund the fascist 60,000 malitia now being trained to subdue the eat by force of arms. Yet, we know Putin and Russia are the aggresors because CNN tells us to believe it.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:20 | 4564025 Johnny Cocknballs
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Jack, very likely true.

The youtube video of the Ukrainian MP, whether or not it's actually a "sniper rifle"  {doesn't seem to be, but it didn't have to be, either} isn't a slam dunk, but you don't have a weapon like that in a bag in your trunk if you have it, despite Ukraine's weapons laws, for "protection". 

Here's the thing, irrespective of one's view of Putin, there is absolutely no end to the wars, intervention, and violence so long as the current American Deep State is not forcefully stopped abroad, opposed at home, or there is some sort of joint military/intelligence revolt  {as there apparently was about to be if we'd gone heavy into Syria}.

It's clearly vital we have access to energy.  It's great having the world's reserve currency. Killing lots and lots of people isn't the way to do it.  It's both immoral and unnecessary.

Things are going to get substantially worse under Hillary and the people she will have around her and above her. 

How many 20 year old kids are going to come back in boxes, or with brain, eye or limb injuries, over manufactured conflicts that have nothing to do with American security or even colorable economic needs?  Whether or not the American people actually give a fuck, and my impression has been they don't, they are easily distracted, and easily convinced.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:39 | 4564180 Legolas
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Jack Burton of Secretary of State !

 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 14:13 | 4564377 tony wilson
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also rapist merceneries from jordan,syria and turkey incoming this becomes not about winning or losing just making putin bleed long and slow..

classic frank kitson low level techniques.

time for putin to dish out a bit of the old cia,mi6,mossad payback

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:53 | 4563856 Itchy and Scratchy
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Russia 1-7 morning line favorites

Red Army takes early 1-0 lead

Over/under line 15k

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:56 | 4563884 1stepcloser
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I'll take the over 2.5 billion

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:54 | 4563870 Son of Captain Nemo
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Yeah this is working out well.

Looks like a real winner!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:55 | 4563872 Dr.Vannostrand
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Remember that hacked email from some American Lt. to Igor the Ukranian? Perhaps......

On a side note, hearing the people in my office drone on about Putin being a bully, someone needs to assasinate him etc; really makes it difficult to bite my tongue. But I've given up trying to have a healthy debate with these people, it just drives up my blood pressure, I'll leave that job to the sexy lady at home.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:57 | 4563890 Jack Burton
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Working with Sheep? I have been there! Let them graze on CNN lies, the truth would make their heads explode.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:19 | 4564058 jovius
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Say nothing, prep and stack in whichever way you chose to.

 

Starting a discussion will most likely end badly. 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 12:56 | 4563879 Jack Burton
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Simple question: Why does Ukraine and NATO want Crimea when it is full of Russians who want nothing to do with them?

Simple answer: Ukraine and NATO want Crimea as their forward NATO naval and Air Bases to put all of South West Russia under threat. NATO wants Sevastopol so bad it can taste it.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:03 | 4563940 ParkAveFlasher
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Jack Burton, you are all over this.  Hasn't the Crimean Peninsula always held strategic importance for Russia, both economically and militarily? 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:59 | 4564298 mccvilb
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They want to control the Black Sea and prevent Russia from having ready access to the Mediterranean.   

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:06 | 4563921 general ambivalent
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Zombies feast in new Middle East 'Canon Fodder,' Israel’s first zombie flick, casts Hezbollah in the role of the walking dead.

As if Israelis didn’t have enough reasons to worry, the streets of Tel Aviv were packed with thousands of pale, blood-dripping zombies on Sunday. They staggered along Rothschild Boulevard, threatening drivers of cars and pedestrians alike. It wasn’t an assault of the living dead but a Purim celebration called Zombie Walk, which is held in the city annually.

http://www.haaretz.com/life/movies-television/.premium-1.580406

Cannon Fodder - Trailer

 

http://youtu.be/_zvTOS0qg4M

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:02 | 4563935 rabbitusvomitus
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And the hits keep coming! Now Trans-Dniester  region of Maldova want in (WTF)

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26627236

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 14:27 | 4564412 mccvilb
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Do you mean Transnistaria? The southeastern border region which separated from Moldava located on the westernmost border of the Ukraine, sounds more like they want out from under the influence of the Romanian EU. That's a very specific area. I wonder how the rest of Moldova feels? This is becoming a black eye for Kerry and a CIA/US backlash. 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Moldova/@46.979424,28.3896969,7z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x40c97c3628b769a1:0x258119acdf53accb

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:16 | 4564037 Johnny Cocknballs
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interesting timing here:

Chechen rebel leader Doku Umarov 'dead'
Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:18 | 4564048 kurt
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Dear USA Government:

It is clear that the will of the people is for you to STAND DOWN.

 

You can do less harm by doing nothing or even less, that is, move back from bases, cease clandestine activities. You are far afield and your policies are incoherant.

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:20 | 4564062 Perimetr
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Quick, deploy X-band radar and interceptors to western Ukraine!!!

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:28 | 4564115 chindit13
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When did Putin hypnotize all of you? 

Despite the fact that Putin is former KGB, that he has created essentially a criminal organization run solely for the benefit of the 1/1000th of 1% oligarchs, brutalized Chechnya, is a man who has taken a series of steps in the last year to limit press freedom and public protest, is someone who eliminates critics via a bullet to the head (Anna Politkovskaya) or with dioxin or polonium, and a man who presides over the surreptitious capture of private phone conversations, he has so many hero-worshipping Russo-statist sheeple here.

You form conclusions in an instant, because the modus operandi fits your previous delusions.

Perhaps all of you can join what I suspect soon will be a pre-emptive mass deportation of ethnic Russians from countries such as Estonia, Poland, Moldova (the PM of Moldova, Iurie Leanca, just stated in an interview that Russia is funding a separatist movement amongst ethnic Russians in Moldova), etc. (maybe even from Brooklyn and Pattaya Thailand) and go join that ‘paragon of liberty, freedom and equality’ you see in Russia.

Whatever happened to a pox on both your houses?

Enjoy your Putiporn.  Akak, despite our personal differences, knew.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:41 | 4564187 IridiumRebel
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I'm not Pro-Putin, I'm anti-war. Learn the difference. Just cuz some folks praise Putin for whatever does not mean everyone is rooting for him. The auspices for which this all has begun is bullshit. Damn them to Hell

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 14:04 | 4564328 knukles
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:)

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 13:33 | 4564148 resurger
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Let the false flags begin ..

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 14:03 | 4564317 marcusfenix
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when it comes to the motivations and purposes of the PTB's especially in the western world the question is not are you being paranoid...

the question is are you paranoid enough?

with that in mind and my tin foil hat firmly in place I table for your consideration the following question.

what does the missing Malaysian airlines Boeing Passenger jet have to do with this drama unfolding in eastern Europe?

maybe nothing, but possibly everything.

a report now circulating in the alternative media cites an alleged GRU report now in the Kremlin which, if true, makes a possible connection between two more apparent, here is the short and sweet of it.

according to the report Russian intelligence was monitoring our missing airplane due to "suspicious cargo" being loaded on board after tracking that cargo from, of all places, the good ship Maersk Alabama which is of course famous for being hijacked itself by Somali pirates later resulting in a Hollywood movie on the subject.

the GRU also cited the suspicious deaths of the two former US Navy seals assigned by the Trident security group to escort the cargo on the Alabama, as CBS news reported the two men where found dead on the Alabama of  apparent twin heart attacks due to simultaneous heroin overdoses. apparently the Russian GRU notified it's Chinese counterparts of their suspicions regarding the cargo on board flight 370 and may have made a request for the plane to be searched upon arrival in Beijing.

it was then that flight 370 promptly pulled a Houdini and the mystery began. the report further states that Russian/or Chinese military satellites data show flight 370 suddenly diverted course towards  Diego Garcia where the US navy has a base-

Kremlin: Malaysian Flight 370 Hijacked by US Navy to protect ‘Suspicious Cargo’

once again this could all be bunk as I have no way of verifying the info obviously , but if one considers the leaked phone calls from the US state dept picking winners and losers, hacked emails calling for false flags to lock in US military intervention and now these attacks in Crimea after a very peaceful referendum. is it really much of a stretch to think that this plane (or even just it's cargo) could be used in some way in a large scale false flag to be blamed on Russia thus providing Dempsey's "trigger event"  to start a war?

after all, it's not as if it hasn't been done before.

the problem with dismissing this report and the information it contains out of hand as conspiracy nonsense is that when looking at the whole picture and how things are developing, it just makes to much sense.    

 

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 14:09 | 4564354 The Count
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How about some good old fashioned "Realpolitik". The Krimea is basically Russian. And they are not going to give up something right on their doorstep. What did the US do in Grenada? The same exact thing except thats far away. Never mind the abduction of the Panamanian president soon afterwards. Ah, hypocracy, what a splendid thing.

 

Tue, 03/18/2014 - 19:53 | 4565703 LeftyGoldblatt
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a sniper has been caught and detained?

 

 

2 killed in shooting near Crimea military research center, 'sniper detained'

http://www.rt.com/news/crimea-shooting-military-center-646/

 

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