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What President Obama's Hilarious Appearance On Between Two Ferns Teaches Us About Obamacare
Submitted by Omid Malekan via OmidMalekan.com,
Present Obama’s viral interview on Zack Galifianakis “Between Two Ferns” was both funny and informative, thus deserving the buzz it generated. To his credit the President has consistently shown an ability to engage his electorate at their own level via their preferred media, a nice change from his predecessors who would complain about the lack of engagement in politics but not do anything about it. Both the content of the interview, and the fact that the President felt it was needed in the first place, can teach us about the current state of Obamacare and the problems it continues to have.
Critics of the interview have focused on the President’s line that young people ”can get coverage all for what it costs you to pay your cell phone bill.” This line, which the President often uses, is hard to substantiate. It contradicts the Obama administration’s own figures that “a 27-year-old with income of $25,000 will be able to get such coverage for $145 a month.” Verizon is generally believed to be the costliest wireless provider, and a single line plan with unlimited voice and texting and 2GB of data costs $75 a month (a figure that generally lines up with national cell phone billing data). If you want to do your own research, the Kaiser Family Foundation has a handy calculator that lets you enter your age, state and income level, and get an estimate for the monthly cost of enrollment. Play around with it and you’ll see the President’s math is hard to justify.
The point here isn’t to nitpick the numbers or get into a semantic argument, but to show one of the key shortcomings of this appearance and the President’s other attempts at getting young people to sign up: if you are promoting something that has shaky credibility, and you use dubious arguments that your target audience will realize might not be true, you end up hurting your cause.
Even more revealing than the content of the interview is the fact that the Administration felt a need for it in the first place. As you have probably heard, Obamacare has not enrolled enough young people. That is why the President has dispatched his wife to promote it on Jimmy Fallon, enrolled celebrities that appeal to young people (including a former member of N’Sync) and made appearances such as ‘Between Two Ferns’. The question nobody asks is why young people haven’t signed up.
Nobody needs to tell young people to buy a cell phone, or to go to college, despite the hefty cost. So why do we need to keep trying to convince them to sign up for Obamacare? The answer, which virtually all of the supporters of the ACA have admitted at one point or another, is because Obamacare is a bad deal for young people. We know that because the system was designed to force young and healthy people, who seldom seek medical treatment, to sign up or face penalties. If something is a good deal, like having an iPhone or getting a college degree, young people spend their money on it voluntarily. You only need a a penalty for not buying something when its a bad deal.
But don’t take my word for it, just look at the arguments made by the law’s proponents. The whole idea of insurance is that a group of people put money into a pool, and those that need it take it out. If a specific group is expected to put in more than they’ll take out, that insurance is a bad deal for them.
Google “Obamacare needs young people” and you’ll see 90 million results, including all sorts of smart people effectively admitting that Obamacare is a bad deal for the young and healthy. You’ll find reports like this one on CNN explaining how Obamacare needs all these young people to put money in then not take any out. You’ll even find Bill Clinton (with Barack Obama at his side) saying “this only works..if young people show up..we gotta have them in the pools.” Even the President himself, during the interview with Galifianakis, says this about young people: ”if they get that health insurance they can really make a big difference.” You buying insurance “making a difference” for someone else means its a bad deal for you, as you are both taking money out of the same pool.
Some argue that young people should sign up anyway, because if something catastrophic happens to them then the insurance will save them lots of money. Again here Obamacare defeats itself. Since the President keeps telling young people that they can still sign up for Obamacare even if they have a pre-existing condition, then they might as well not sign up today while they are still healthy and wait until after something goes wrong.
To summarize the problem in the same lingo that the President and Galifianakis bantered in, lets say you are the kind of person that always takes beers to a party. Lets also say that a bunch of people really want you to go to a specific party, but you find out that the only reason they invited you in the first place is because you bring more beer than you drink, and if you don’t show up the guys that drink lots of beer but don’t bring any won’t have as much fun. Might you then decide not to go to this party, and just stay home and watch Funny or Die videos by your favorite comedian?
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stick a fork in him, this puppet is done...
"Present Obama’s viral interview...."
Yes, indeed. He is the Gift that goes on giving...
I kept hoping Galifianakis would call him a retard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjEAqrFmAXM
Obama vs a TV host, and he still loses? So wonder what the outcome will be for Community Organizer vs KGB Agent?
I about spit the dummy when asked what his thoughts were on being the last black POTUS. Priceless.
Yep. That's about as close to "nigger" as it gets. Heheheh.
I am Chumbawamba.
it should be part of every analysis of obamacare that the aca website is so open that anyone can get your data you type in to obamacare...and they do not have to break any law doing it. the data is accessable without anyone commiting a crime. The web site is that badly designed. THAT is why congress freaked and hired a new company. it is still not fixed. those that know refuse to sign up for that reason alone. no need to offer up another reason not to join. it is like asking for identity theft.
The "kids" are staying on Mom and Dad's plan till they turn 27.
Why didn't Zack just whip him like he did Justin Beiber?
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ca8e174a54/between-two-ferns-with-zach-...
Well, at least he probably got the ferns signed up.. even though they have more intelligence than the average slug walking the streets.
The "Fern" covered his teleprompter.
Who ever booked him on this and thought it was a good idea has got to be looking for a new job by now...lol...the rather obvious joke is that, after accounting for Zach's character, the guest is considered the second fern.
he booked himself; it's what he thinks he does best:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/22356-how-obama-became-a-publicist-fo...
I signed up a few months back, paying $300/month. Never had/needed health insurance, but for me it's really just home insurance. If I were to get into an accident and get hit with a giant medical bill, the hospital would bankrupt me and try to take my largest asset, my house. Pretty sad state of affairs... sign up or lose it all if you get hurt. nice f'n system.
Seriously? You actually found your way to ZH, but are still too stupid to put the puzzle together regarding OzeroCare?
Please, enlighten me as to what I'm missing. It was the best option for the price. I pay $300/month including $11 for the dental care. Just had x-rays, cleaning and check up done today for $36 out of pocket. So kiss my ass. I "found my way" to ZH a long time ago.
I negotiated the very same 30 mins. of work for 100 cash. That is 1/4 of one mo's premium- deep thinker.
I negotiated the very same 30 mins. of work for 100 cash
bullshit. and you happened to have the same work done, recently, and just happened to see my post today? you are a lying little troll. Any dentist would rather take the $36 from the patient and charge a couple hundred to the insurance company than get $100 cash. If you're going to lie at least try harder.
Trust me, the dentist is not getting $200 from the insurance company - he is more likely getting $50 - which makes the other deal better for the dentist and the patient.
does anybody on this site check facts before spitting them out? You think the dentist only billed insurance for $50 for cleaning and full x-rays? Can I have your dealers number because I want whatever it is you're smoking (now that I'm covered, what the hell). They don't even write bills for less than a few hundred. Doctors found out a long time ago that the real cash cow isn't the patient, it's the insurance company.
Been paying my doctor in cash for years now. We both prefer it that way.
Dentists/doctors can bill the insurance company for whatever amount they want. That does not mean the insurance company will pay it! I had Delta dental through work, and I would always receive a paper invoice for work done. It would label the billed charge for each service along with what Delta dental actually paid the dentist. The Delta payment was WAY less than the billed for amount. It got to the point where the dentist would turn around and bill me for part of the unpaid amount.
the problem for you now, is that your information you typed into obamacare, is public accessable. check the reports that came to congress and showed that -WITHOUT breaking into the website- as THAT would be illegal, if was proven that the information people type into the A C A web is totally accessable without breaking a law. that is why congress finally freaked and hired a new company. it is still not fixed, which is why a lot of folks wont sign up.
BKBroiler
Keep in mind that you're talking to a bunch of backwater hillbillies who want the world to burn. These guys HATE everything except guns, beans and shiny metal tokens. The reason the guy above you got his dental work done for nothing is because he only has one tooth. In backwater Amuuuurica, many "dentists" and "doctors" exchange their "services" for chickens, eggs, bags of rocks, etc. Anything post-Civil War is pretty much lost on these Luddites.
maaannn, yur some kina smurt. why didncha say how we's all so like to say squeel lika pig or sumfin? aaah i knows, yur afreid that we unta git it. you spill trull same's usns?
I believe him. I am uninsured and I pay $140/yr for my dentist's "discount plan." I just had your exact same service (x-rays, cleaning, check-up) for $30. (140+30)/2 = $85 each for my two appointments each year.
Wrong, my dentist gives me a discount for paying cash with no insurance. It saves his adminstrative staff a ton of time dealing with insurance companies. I opted out of dental insurance once I did the math. $150 a month for Denal and vision (only packaged together at my place of work even if you dont need vision). Cleanings, annual checkups with xrays are WAY cheaper without paying the monthly, and now I get a discount. My dentist hate insurance companies too, WIN, WIN.
What would the cash cost have been? What else are you getting for that $300/mo? Security? Carrots and sticks?
I get to not lose my house if I get into an accident. Maybe you missed the first 2 posts.
So I was right. You think you are getting a little security. You risk losing your house, not because of the accident, but because government has been fucking around in healthcare for over 100 years, which has driving prices up faster than inflation. You are concerned about losing your house because you paid more than it is worth, because government has been fucking around in real estate, and debasing the currency. You think running to the government is going to save you? Guess again, sunshine.
If your house is such a burden, why not simple sell it, and rent?
You're really good at making things up:
you are concerned about losing your house because you paid more than it is worth
My house is paid off. It's worth 50% more than I paid. Not to punch a hole in your stereotype. I don't want the government to save me. The health care system in this country is fucked, total blackmail. Now that catastrophic insurance isn't an option you have to protect your assets. My house isn't a burden, and renting is for suckers.
How much property tax (rent) do you pay sucka?
I'm betting that he probably pays a lot more in property taxes than you pay in trailer park dues. At least his house can't get a flat tire..... How much do 4 new tires on your house cost?
You should go back to the MSNBC site. You're obviously not happy here.
No it isn't. You simply rent it from the government, which WILL take your home for any number of reasons....and government has all the guns. If keeping your home is the grand plan, I suppose you are safe until you are elegible for Medicare because government now reserves the right...and it has all the guns.
How many people again, have lost their homes due to medical catastrophies? Did they become homeless? Are they living on the streets and dumpster diving?
One does not starve the beat by feeding it.
I find hillbilly libertarians hilariously fascinating. You guys would rather live in hillbilly shacks just so you don't have to pay property taxes. *LOL*
Guubbermint got all the guns...... guubbermint gonna get me......
shur glad we git sombudy smurt studiein us - now show me agin how smurt y'all ar...
don min me, jus feeding the TRULL
You'd rather pay forever to "own" a thing, when that's really called renting.
I don't rent a chair, a fridge, a stove, a bed, all while pretending I own them. Ownership means one payment & done.
You're not owning, you're renting and renting is expensive.
It's better to own a thing and not pay for eternity, with the ability for someone else to steal.
If there was no legal basis for being able to steal your house for non-payment of super-increasing taxes you can't ever stop the increase of theft... why would you validate, morally accept, theft? And call it "ownership" ?
yes, you are protected. 6000. there are many parts that are bad news, but you are under that protection you identified. however, you are likely to face identity theft issues.
50% more than when you bought it? Are you including, interest, taxes insurnance and maintenance? When my house is paid off, with a less than 4% interest rate over 30 years, I will pay OVER 200% the original cost of the house. Now throw on the other expenses ........
Renting is paying property taxes. Renting is for suckers but "owning" a house in America is renting.
Bk,
Have you read in depth what that policy covers including caps? My dentist could no way operate his office on so little. Have you checked what other costs would be such as a crown or root canals? I pay the same for cleaning but my insurance covers the most of the cost for preventative care. Anything else it covers barely 30%. We use our HRA mostly for dental.
Miffed;-)
At least the ladies here still have some class, hey Miffed. I asked them to get me a quote on that for my next visit (which will also be $36 for these cavities). If they ask for too much I'll probably got to my favorite dentist in Dominican Republic like I used to and soak up a few rays in the meantime. I have always done most of my medical care abroad, the main idea with O-care is not getting some catastrophic bill, there are ways around the rest. I can't exactly go abroad if I get hit by a car.
All ObummerCare did was force you into a contract with the same crooked companies that were gouging us all in the first place.
'I'm a lonely paid intern that has to find references to Obamacare in blogs, and put in posts pretending to be a real person who loves Obamacare. It's a soulless job, but the little personal touches I put give me enough satisfaction to stop from killing myself. For example I swore on ZeroHedge. I'm actually paid, to swear! Well now it's onto an NRA blog to pump Obamacare: "lock and load, sign up and be covered if the criminal gets a shot into you before you blow his f'n head off!" See, personal touch'
oh that was cute... nope just a little bit of reality, nothing to concern yourself with. Once I paid off my house I decided that I'd rather pay $300 a month than risk losing it over some accident. This might be hard to comprehend for you and the rest of the rabid right but this isn't about politics, it's a pragmatic decision. And I've been on here longer than you have, tool. Not everyone on this site is a teabagger, it was actually pretty interesting here until Rush Limbaugh mentioned it a few years back and the idiot parade took over.
ouch. I've been schooled. I see you've been here pre-Obamacare, so apologies for implying you're an Obamacare troll. Still your paragraph did sound like an infomercial.
I could give a shit which team is selling it. I looked for health insurance and this was the best deal. And I used to chain smoke, which for these goddamn vampires counts as a pre-existing condition that they can charge you more for having. And props for the apology, sorry I called you a tool.
Seems to be a general lack of reasoning skills in this thread. Plans on the exchanges are a fair to good deal for some, a lousy deal for others. Kind of like choosing a degree and a college, YMMV.
So while I generally think the Affordable Care Act was a POS giveaway to the health insurance industry and the wrong "fix" for our broken down healthcare system, that doesn't mean that all the plans on the exchanges are overpriced crap.
Insurance through my husband's last employer was a bad deal; high premium, high deductible, high OOP cap for a family. Not so bad for the individual employee, so he was insured and my daughter and I were not.
Insurance with the current employer is better, so this time we are all signed up.
I checked out the calculator in the article. In 2006 when I was carrying the health insurance for my family through my employer it was $800 a month ($9600 a year) for the three of us. Per the calculator we would pay about $5500 for a silver plan on the exchange based on my husband's salary/no subsidy.
If you want health insurance check out your options and see if there is a reasonable choice available. If you don't want it, fine by me.
You would do well to read this. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2014/03/obamacare-is-dying-it-ne...
give me a hint so I can save some time. What does "The Civil Libertarian" think about Obamacare? Does it love Obamacare? That's my guess, because I can tell you do.
Dear Moron,
Catastrophic health coverage existed before Obamacare. In fact, it was much less than 300 a month.
Obamacare has deemed that catastrophic coverage does not meet minimum requirements, so is now no longer available.
Also, medical debt is UNSECURED and does not recieve priority in Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Therefore, they cannot "take your house." If they try to sue to place a lien on an asset, you simply declare Chapter 7. Under no circumstances can they take your house.
In many cases, a 100k bill can be settled for 10k if something catastrophic happens to the uninsured.
But you can keep shelling out 3600$ a year "just in case"
Dear Fuckhead,
Find me a catastrophic insurance plan in NYC for less than $300, please. I looked everywhere and it doesn't exist. And thanks for the accounting tips, but even if I don't lose my house (and pardon me for not believing your expert opion, douche) I don't want to declare bankruptcy. That shit is for losers. Plus the $3,600 is completely deductible since I own my own business.
Dear Uninformed asshat,
Catastrophic plans don't exist because Obamacare outlawed them.
Obamacare decided that you needed access to birth control pills even if you're a dude.
Go ahead and look up medical debt. It's unsecured. Hospitals know that. Thus they usually settle on these types of issues.
Here's the real numbers..
Lets say a catastrophic action happens..
You have a 100k bill...
Option 1) you're insured with your shiny new obamacare plan. It's 80/20 with a 6500$ cap. So you shell out 6500$ in addtion to premiums.
Option 2) you negotiate a settlement with the hospital for 10k (commonplace occurence).. pay 10k
So you saved roughly 3k having "insurance" Which will be promptly wiped out over the next 10 monts of premiums.
And keep in mind... we are talking about something that MAY NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
If you get cancer... you can promptly sign up for insurance because Obamacare outlawed insurance companies from denying you from a pre-existing condition.
Dear Remarkbly-Poor-Reasoning-Skills,
I sure hope you're not a lawyer with arguments like that. It's slow here at Obamacare troll center so I'll entertain your idiocy. You said:
Option 2) you negotiate a settlement with the hospital for 10k (commonplace occurence).. pay 10k
So, your strategy is to hope for a 10 to 1 settlement of medical debt after who knows how many court battles and ruined credit (yes it ruins your credit, I see this shit everyday) instead of paying a $3,600 deductible premium? And where did you come up with the premium split? It's 50/50 with a $6k max per year, I can't pay more than 6K no matter what happens.
Were you homeschooled by an idiot?. Were you not so good at "the maths"? Try fewer words and more thinking.
BKbroiler said: Renting is for suckers... and that bankruptcy shit is for losers.
...and Obamacare is for ________________?
PS: You're a fucking genius.
Says the little man as he goes off on a political insults. So, things must be slow over at OFA today. You're a much better propagandist than the usual drive by shit.
FORWARD OBAMA THE ASS NAPKIN!
Well this is ZH so I insult the right. Maybe I'll go to Treehugger.com and make fun of some hippies next. Idiots can be found anywhere.
Calling a stranger a "teabagger" is not an insult in the lefty mind. Rather, it is a gentle nudge towards the utopia that is right there, if they would but open their eyes.
It takes courage to admit you've been duped. Did you answer truthfully when they asked how many guns you have and where they are hidden?
you folks have really lost your damn mind. You think it asks about my gun? I understand these last few years must have been traumatic for this crew, 2nd term, gold crashing, market going up... it's ok. let it out guys. Adding some red arrows on my post may help with your pain. My legal, registered NYC gun is at home as it has been for years.
Heh. You win teh stupid.
Oh, so you live in NY state. One of two states where Obamacare was cheaper than anything else. I am starting to understand.
But, if you suffered a catastrophic injury couldn't you just dip into your MyRA, which, with financial geniuses like Barry and Janet at the helm can only keep soaring into the future? Plus, there's your EBT, there to defend your honor like a sassy LGBT illegal al- oops, undocumented worker sidekick?
Plus, there's your EBT, there to defend your honor like a sassy LGBT illegal al- oops, undocumented worker sidekick?
Did this make sense in your head before you typed it out? It's really confusing. Which stereotype of your imagination am I supposed to fit in to? I've been self employed since 22 and never collected a dime from the gov. I also own guns and gold, and have no debt of any kind, imagine that. You may have to re-think your whole labeling strategy.
hey broiler----I think you're full of shit. If some one was selling a car like you are selling Obama care i'd walk off the lot.
That escalated quickly...
You own your own home..... in NYC?
You're concerned about catastrophic healthcare incidents taking your home...? If you have a catastrophic healthcare incident, will you still need a home? If you had to declare bankruptcy wouldn't you immediately enroll in medicaid since you'll have no assets?
How much does a paid blog posting job pay? Do they have a myRA plan?
Smart people don't "register" their guns unless they want to have them confiscated. A mayor who will outlaw supersize sodas will grab your gun when the whim suits him.
You're a fool. And fools and their guns are soon parted.
If you know doctors that are not asking about guns in the home as a matter of healthcare, please share. Quite a lot of people have already reported their doctors are asking them for that "reason".
Hahahahahahahaha.....good luck.
You only think you are covered. http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/obamacare-leaves-las-vegas-man-owing-4...
You only you have "coverage" http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/12/more_obamacare_devastation.html
You only think that there are doctors who will treat you. http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/02/19/covered-california-enrollees...
BKBrolier:
What's your deductible?....That will probably bankrupt you if a catastophic illness doesn't.
sold to you sucka!
Hope and Change at its finest.
No surprise coming from this arrogant narcissistic pathologicasl lying illegal alien kenyan muslim sociopathic ignoramus fudge packer in chief.... anyone wgo believes anything this turd says deserves what they get....
Exactly. Ans what profession uses ferns?
it should be part of every analysis of obamacare that the aca website is so open that anyone can get your data you type in to obamacare...and they do not have to break any law doing it. the data is accessable without anyone commiting a crime. The web site is that badly designed. THAT is why congress freaked and hired a new company. it is still not fixed. those that know refuse to sign up for that reason alone. no need to offer up another reason not to join. it is like asking for identity theft.
I didn't find it funny. The timing was horrible - huge pauses meant to be dramatic but were actually an epic fail. The dialog sucked too. Maybe that's what it can teach us. Obama pretty much sucks at everything except fooling the 50% of the America public that's clueless on just about everything, the sort of people that sign Mark Dice petitions for infantacide of 3+ year old children because parents should have the right not to be burdened, etc.
Eric Dubin, Manging Editor, TheNewsDoctors.com
I can't listen to Obama any more. He... speaks... with.. a lot of pausing.
needs time for guy speaking into the hidden speaker in his ear to tell him what to say.
I thought it was all waiting for the gerbil in his head to give him inspiration.
That's not the location of the gerbil.
Oh, that gerbil's not in his head.
"I can't listen to Obama any more"
I can't either, and I suspect many here feel the same.
That's probably good; to our advantage. It's what he was groomed for, all along.
That link is broken, try this one:
http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_techniques_...
Mark Dice's videos are hilarious (and sad). Not this Obozo Fed stooge.
Did you see the videos where Dice tries to give away a one ounce flash drive FULL of Bitcoins, but the sheeple were too stupid to buy them, even for 10 dollars - even though there was free wifi nearby to verify the blockchain?
Man, did I laugh.
Did they buy any of his gold either?
Now with WWIII behind the corner, and all cameras focusing outside sources, Big Brother and Obummer are advancing with the "NEW" Facebook software for facial recognition.
Facebook’s DeepFace Project Nears Human Accuracy In Identifying Faceshttp://techcrunch.com/2014/03/18/faceook-deepface-facial-recognition/?utm_campaign=fb&ncid=fb
Wasn't that project "closed" for privacity rights and stuff?
The real funny part is that America voted twice for this imbicile! He'd be odds on favorite for a third term too! LOL!
the beauty of the left/right two party system... the hidden hand ensures that only sociopaths and human garbage get to run for president. isn't freedom wonderful?
Don't despair! Our savior pant suit Hillary is waiting in the wings!
Does that mean they will be checking for Obamacare cards on the battlefield before they treat the wounded?
Is a gunshot wound a pre-existing condition?
Hidden hand? Horseshit. This is not religion. This is human nature.
What better place for a bunch of unproductive immoral thugs to seek employment, than the most popular criminal gang in a geographic region, with the right to tell everybody else what to do, and all the guns to make them do it?
With very few exceptions, anybody who seeks public orifice, is not fit to hold public orifice.
blah blah blah blah blah...this guy is still campaining...for what I don't know.
third term......
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Pretty good observation. Made me laugh.
FYI, Obamacare only works with young people, Social Security only works with young people, Medicare only works with young people... I could go on and on...
EVERY PONZI SCHEME requires new/young people!!!
In the business the proper term is rube. And we've reached the stage where all the rubes on the planet couldn't keep this bullshit going.
Ponzi schemes are voluntary. This is simple theft from the best constituency of all...those that are are not yet born. They cannot vote, riot, or even complain. By the time they are able to vote, the people that fucked them in the @$$ will be dead.
Government is old people, fucking young people, while some times giving young people a part in the play.
Obamacare is only good if you are broke.....the you get it for free...except free means the government pays for it..which is you and I
"Critics of the interview have focused on the President’s line that young people ”can get coverage all for what it costs you to pay your cell phone bill.”
"I got my Obamaphone© FREE. Beat that!"
Yes and these people are pretty much the only ones signing up. Plus people with terminal conditions, IE: Expensive. The suckers meant to be fleeced have no interest and comedy skits and celebrity endorsements will never change that.
Another government ponzi but so poorly thought out that it can't get off the ground.
Fuckbama.....a piece of shit.
Is there anything that tickles the funny bone more than watching a visionary Marxist incompetant destroy the reserve currency of the world, wipe his grass stained golf shoes on the Constitution, & bancrupt generations for as far as the eye can see? Gets me every time!
"I'ts a good deal Larry" Only this time around the sucking sounds are coming from the white house, just bathhouse Barry doing his thing.... Sucking on and at stuff.
"What's it like to be the last black president?"
Omid Malekan might not know what "hilarious," "funny," "informative," and "deserving" mean. Or is he a concern troll?
Summary: Obongo made a total ass of himself... again... and he is a bald faced liar. that's funny?
Mack Daddy needs to work on his timing. Some potential funny lines missed the mark, with that strange delay.
A note about Zach - a true bleeding heart liberal - I've known his father (sadly, a really great & nice guy but about the worst businessman in NC) for 30+ years. Zack's Uncle Nick ran for the US Senate back in 1972, and the opinion was that he'd win easily against an unknown republican who did editorials on WRAL-TV and was unknown outside of that area of the state.
The unknown, aka Senator No - Jesse Helms, beat his ass good. And for the next four times against a sitting Governor and Lt Gov, among others.
When Pelosi was holding court extolling the 'welfare check' multiplier I was baffled. I thought it must be some sort of sonic dog whistle or signal ordinary mortals can't fathom.
And than it dawned on me that she was in fact talking directly to the Dhimmicratic Communista Parti base - and that they are in fact dog shit eating retards and actually beleive this rubbish.
So our pet minky being on some idiotic show such as this is not surprizing as again he is simply appealing to his base - which presumably is sitting in M&D's basement with a bag of Dorritos and a bong yukking it up.
The Supreme Court has ruled Obamacare is a tax bill, not a health care bill. Doesn't matter how many sign up. Success is measured by how much tax revenues it generates.
As an aside, my premiums are higher, my deductibles are higher and my coverage is slimmer. Adding inslut is health care has sunk to new lows since doctors are frustrated by massive paperwork themselves. For me, Obamacare is a step down from what i had before and pay out of my own pocket.
So despite grunting and groaning it just means I have to work harder and try to stay healthier and avoid hospitals and doctors if I can.
But in a Marxist society, if you can not produce, you should just die. No need to linger or hang on as the death panels will quickly determine your social value to be near zero, with carbon fixing as your only positive. Now if you simple decide not to produce, and instead pontificate about the "progressive" theme of human advancement, your social value will be racheted up high on the list of MVP. So choose wisely as you wander down the path of life.
Chief Justice ROBERTS ruled O'care is a tax bill - let's be clear on that. Ever wonder what they had on him to make him change his position at the end? Musta been some hellacious leverage, indeed...
What the administration refuses to admit is that a lot of the sign ups thought that OBAMACARE was FREE like the fucking phones.
And by executive fiat, he just lowered the bar for "success" with sign ups by reducing it 1million.
Joe:
Which is why so many (900,000) stopped at the check out with their shopping baskets full when they realized the next step in the process was actually paying for it.
While Obama counts these as "enrolled," the truth is that they will never be enrolled - defining enrolled as actually paying the premium.
How they thought that people who couldn't buy insurance before ObamaCare could suddenly afford it under its new title completely escapes me.
Serves Big Pharma and Big Insurance right that they are looking at fewer totaly insurance enrollees now than before this travesty started. And to think they toasted so many glasses of champagne believing that this idea would result in millions of new suckers paying for health insurance.
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Big Pharma & Big Insurance aren't stupid, and they wrote 0zer0care. The next shoe is about to drop. The BAILOUT of Big Pharma & Big Insurance is MANDATED in 0zer0care. You see, Big Pharma & Big Insurance realized 0zer0care could crash and burn, and leave them holding the bill due to having to insure everyone with no pre-existing conditions, etc. So they wrote a BAILOUT clause in 0zer0care. If the risk pools are obliterated (and that is being proven everyday), the insurers get bailed out on their losses by the govt. That's why people who think this was a plan to destroy the insurance companies are wrong. 0zer0care was nothing but massive crony capitalism, and you are going to witness it in a few months when 0zer0 is FORCED to bailout the insurers. 0zer0 won't be able to avoid it. If he tries some executive order to stop it, the insurers will sue, and win (standing, contract law, tax law all work to their advantage), and the entire 0zer0care abortion starts to unravel piecemeal in the courts. 0zer0 can't take the chance of opening the lawsuit floodgates, so he will be forced to bail out the insurers in a few months and public uproar over it is going to be epic. Big Pharma & Big Insurance are in a win-win scenario. It's the dumbcrats that have no idea of the shitstorm that is coming that they caused.
Short term yes, but long term, it is not sustainable and never was going to be. The insurance companies were demonized from the start in this debate. Some who complained too loudly about the mess that was coming were silenced with direct threats. Insurance companies are not your local hardware store. The people running them are short term people looking to maximize their returns over five years, tops. They went for the deal because they had no choice, and they got bought off. Insurance companies will be backstopped by the taxpayer and this is why they went along with it, BUT, it's costs will crush what we loosely refer to as a budget. Once premiums skyrocket in the private markets, our loving government will be right back at the insurance companies necks, regardless of who's fault it is. These CEOs could give a shit. They will have their pockets filled by then and out the door. They will all end up GMed, taxpayers funding full blown nationalization of the insurance industry, and it only makes sense. Our government is already the biggest insurance company in the world. Insurance companies are doomed, as are we ultimately, and the people running them could not care less. Corruption....its a bitch.
Hilarious?
This is about people's lives - life and death - and they are joking about it.
How much more juvenile and narcissistic can the society become?
We laugh in the face of danger....all other options being less than desirable.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. My doctor closed her office in October, and I didn't get a new one because I could see the problems coming. Sure enough, my brothers & sisters started getting notices that their rates doubled, or more.
What's next? My rate jumped from $483 to $1126 a month. I didn't pay. Now, for the first time since the eighties, I don't have health insurance.
The obamacare folks won't give me a quote because my 'identity cannot be verified'(I won't give them my SS number)
The wife says they're closing her medical from work. They gave her the obamacare website & said good luck.
You could, perhaps, try using the same SSN that Obama uses. After all, he already shares it with someone else if I recall correctly.
Regardless, don't worry; with all the doctors leaving the profession, rather soon having healthcare insurance will be useless anyway, since there will be no doctors left practicing.
Gee, I wonder how a shortage of doctors will affect prices.
Multiply this tragedy by about 50 million, and you get a glimpse of what is going to happen this fall. It doesn't matter what 0zer0 does. No executive order, or delay is going to change the economic facts that are driving this disaster now. 0zer0care has obliterated the risk pools. The insurers are immune from losses because they wrote a bailout clause in 0zer0care. Premiums are going to rise double digit this summer because of the risk pool destruction. Businesses will be notified of their increases and will have to either pass on the costs, or eliminate EMPLOYER sponsored HC. Those decisions will happen in September to meet the 90 day WARN notification for employee benefit changes starting 1/1/2015. All this is going to make the shitstorm that dumbcrats dealt with last fall over 5 million PRIVATE healthcare plans look like a tea party compared to the 50 million EMPLOYER PLANS that are going to be affected this fall. And there is NOTHING 0zer0 can do to stop it. Plan accordingly.
People forget cash in hand can go a long way when dealing with their doctor, dentist, medical whatever etc...
The problem is government and insurance companies getting in the way of you and the doctors.
Obamacare is for suckers.
What completely baffles me is this fact. 0zer0care proponents are almost always the most vocal abortion supporters, and abortion supporters have had the following mantra for decades... to them it's a choice that is only between the woman and her doctor... nothing should come between the woman and her doctor. So now we have 0zer0care, which places not 1, but 2 huge middlemen between the woman and her doctor... insurance, and govt. bureacracy. Ask a liberal to explain that hypocracy and watch them just explode in anger and never address it. The point is exactly as you say. The reason healthcare is so fucked up is because of the middlemen between you and your doctor. 0zer0care just makes it infinitely worse for everyone for every healthcare choice you make... not just abortion. Abortion just illustrates the problem the best.
Your personal experiences are purely anecdotal and therefore meaningless. Our loving overlords have informed us through numerous infomercials that Obamacare is our friend and would NEVER fuck us over.
I mean really.....Obama.....would you buy insurance from this man if he came to your front door?
Not even magazines.
Not even Fuller Brush.
Not even Electrolux.
Nope.
This is what a President should be doing?
He's simply killing time while waiting for Congress to pass some more Executive Orders for him to sign, if you can believe what that clueless Representative said recently.
http://conservativebyte.com/2014/02/lawmaker-congress-should-write-execu...
Anxious to get more young people to sign up for health care insurance, the Obama administration is tapping President Barack Obama's passion for basketball in an effort to lure in March Madness fans - -- and plans to release a report today on the incidence and economic costs of common sports injuries, like sprains and fractures.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/03/18/221519/white-house-turns-to-march-...
here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/03/17/221521/white-house-taps-march-madn...
800,000 have signed up since btFerns. That's 5 million now out of the expected 7 million by the 31st. So AHC is only two million light with a bad web site start, $billions spent by the Kosh Bros. to spread the FEAR and whining out the ass by right wing forums. Not everybody buys your shit.
While not a fan of ObamaCare (I personally would rather have had the states handle it themselves) the mean people never explain what their alternative was other than "let the losers die".
And, of course, the mean OldFarts on their governemnt medicare are just a bunch of duplicitous assholes.
The country gets what it deserves, in so many ways.
the mean people...
I think you "mean" me. I feel offended; can you please direct me to the appropriate federal executive administered government agency that will represent my feelings?
As for the "alternative", it was already in place. This whole ACA melodrama was initiated in order to allow the federal government access to individual citizen's net assets upon their death. The State, i.e. federal government gains first position in the liquidation of a person’s assets before any heir, willed entity or "the state of residency" by virtue of receiving care through Medicaid. Sorry to burst your bubble, but this whole issue is nothing but the wholesale delivering of the feeblest, most needy and trusting among us into the clutches, jaws and stomach of the most vicious in our midst.
jmo.
Over 2 million were medicaid signups. Big spenders that group.
I'm hoping not one right winger signs up. Your nose you bit off to spite your face will not cost me a dime to sew back on.
As always, we right wingers will be forced, under protest, to pay for generous benefits doled out to the loving minions. We will be deprived of our own earning to build financial security and so, as having been forced into government dependency, will be condemned as hypocrites, if we dare partake.
I have been paying for my own insurance and healthcare for at least thirty years, and still am, no help from Obama. Meanwhile, feel free to suckle up.
Personally, I hope hope you choke on Obama's dick.
FYI, Red vs. Blue/Dem vs. GOP drivel doesn't fly on this site.
I think you may have this site confused with Huffpost?
Bull shit, red flies anything else don't.
Hey roadhazard, is this how they got you? Literally drinking the koolaid...
http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/GMA/ANN_BROSURANCE_131025_1280x720.jpg
Mostly Medicaid (new additions to the FSA) and no yungin's. Resounding success.
fuck i thought the interview was not only hilarious, but a great sign of the destruction of the office of the president.
soon the president will be doing mcdonalds commercials. because they've got electrolytes.
i for one welcome the military coup.
Re: i for one welcome the military coup.
Already happened. What do you think Big-MIC and Big-PoliceState are?
reminds me of the Doug Stanhope bit where he asks the audience how many people had tried/used drugs, then asks how many had seen drugs advertised.
If you have a good product...
Then again, McDonald's advertises pretty heavily, and it's tough to be more aware of McDonald's than one already is. There must be a reason for it, but I feel like they could divert some of that advertising cash into a fund to clean their fuckin' bathrooms a little.
Beggars can't be choosy, why you gonna get the herps from rubbin ur balls on some porcelin?
McDonald's advertises pretty heavily, and it's tough to be more aware of McDonald's than one already is...
Reminds me of the story of Mr. Wrigley explaining to his subordinate why he continued to spend what seemed to be inordinate amounts on advertising though he pretty much owned his particular market. His reason was as much to prevent an upstart from even considering to enter his pond as it was to keep his product on the mind and the very definition of chewing gum.
Kinda like the US hoping Yellen firmly grasps the baton from Ben. 100B filtered through Brussels would indicate her allegiance thus far.
jmo.
Self-medicating?