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Australian PM Says May (Or May Not) Have Found Objects Belonging To Flight MH370

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Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has some interesting comments in the dreadful disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. While addressing parliament today, he stated:

  • *AUSTRALIA FINDS POSSIBLE OBJECTS LINKED TO MH370, ABBOTT SAYS
  • *OBJECTS FOUND IN SEARCH MAY NOT BE MH370, ABBOTT SAYS
  • *ABBOTT SAYS NEW, CREDIBLE INFORMATION IN RELATION TO MH370
  • *ABBOTT: AMSA HAS RECEIVED INFO. BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY
  • *ABBOTT: OBJECTS IN SOUTH INDIAN OCEAN MAY BE RELATED TO SEARCH

There is not much color yet but it appears that 2 objects have been found and the Aussies are diverting more aircraft to search the area.

 

More:

  • *ABBOTT: TASK OF LOCATING OBJECTS WILL BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT
  • *ABBOTT: SPOKEN TO MALAYSIA PM NAJIB, INFORMED OF DEVELOPMENTS
  • *ABBOTT: 3 MORE AIRCRAFT TO BE DIVERTED TO SEARCH LOCATION

Via AP,

Australia's prime minister says objects possibly related to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight have been spotted on satellite imagery.

 

Prime Minister Tony Abbott told Parliament in Canberra on Thursday that a Royal Australian Airforce Orion has been diverted to the area to attempt to locate the objects. The Orion is expected to arrive in the area Thursday afternoon. Three additional aircraft are expected to follow for a more intensive search.

Via Sydney Morning Herald,

Mr Abbott described the breakthrough as "new and credible information."

"The Australian maritime safety authority has received information based on satellite imagery of objects possibly  related to the search," Mr Abbott said.

"Following specialist analysis of this satellite imagery, two possible objects related to the search have been identified."

 

Mr Abbott said he had informed his Malaysian counterpart, Prime Minister Najib Razak, and promised to keep him updated.

 

Abbott cautioned, however, that the task of locating these objects will be extremely difficult and "it may turn out that they are not related to the search for flight MH370."

Via Bloomberg,

Prime Minister Tony Abbott says Australian search effort in Indian Ocean has new, credible information in relation to missing Malaysian Airline plane.

 

Abbott addresses lawmakers in parliament

 

Australian Maritime Safety Authority has received information based on satellite imagery: Abbott

 

NOTE: AMSA to hold 3:30pm Sydney time briefing

 

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Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:19 | 4570848 Soul Glow
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They did, however, find an $80B dildo belonging to Janet Yellen.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:22 | 4570858 chumbawamba
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And the real killers of Nicole Brown Simpson!  OJ is having a press conference right now celebrating his exoneration.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:37 | 4570946 kliguy38
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CNN sending Piers Morgan to the scene now with a one way ticket

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:48 | 4570974 AlaricBalth
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Here is a theory, for what it's worth.

Malaysian Airlines flight goes dark due to suspected hijacking. Shortly after no response from crew or transponder, all military assets within a possible flight radius are put on alert. An AWACS hunter spots the jetliner, and fighters are scrambled. Upon intercept, crew does not respond to fighter pilot commands and the order is given to splash the plane.

Plane is splashed, all aboard perish and no government in their right mind admits to it for fear of the backlash for killing innocent people.

It isn't without precedent. We all remember the 9/11 flight that "crashed" in Pennsylvania.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:49 | 4570987 Grande Tetons
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Bird stike. Whatcha gonna do? 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:56 | 4571005 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Satellite data?? Since when does Australia have satellites?? Who's satellite info are they looking at?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:39 | 4571144 Pinto Currency
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It will be very interesting to see now if they spot bits of wreckage but just can't, despite best efforts, find the ELT before it expires 30 days after the crash.

Anderson Vanderbilt Cooper is all over this story like a 3 dollar polyester suit, so wondering what the twist will be.

A non existent 777 could be a very valuable tool.

We will see.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:54 | 4571175 Grande Tetons
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Anderson Cooper, one of the famed alum of the Dalton School. 

http://www.dalton.org/podium/default.aspx?t=153746

School of hard knocks tuition....0. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:25 | 4571209 Pinto Currency
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JIM249 posted this nst.com link further down:

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/could-vital-info-be-down-under-1.520539

and there is also this

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/awx_03_13_2014_p0-672073.xml

"Officially, Jindalee has a range of 3,000 km (1,900 mi.), about 1,500 km less than the distance to the point where MH370 disappeared, but the Royal Australian Air Force system is reputed to be able to reach the South China Sea, depending on atmospheric conditions."

The Aussies (probably with the US ) would have tracked flight 370 in real time with their Jindalee Over-The-Horizon-Radar.

Why releasing speculative satellite imagery info about this so late?

Or do they turn the Jindalee radar off at night too?

C'mon now.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:32 | 4571249 Squid-puppets a...
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in other australian news - mick jagger just cancelled the aussie tour. 

apparently his girlfriend was a JPMorgan executive

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:16 | 4571316 National Blessing
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I figured they were all dead.  The whole thing is very sad.  RIP.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:26 | 4571613 Occident Mortal
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Were they heading for Île Amsterdam?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:48 | 4571283 ebworthen
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Yeah, they want us to believe they didn't know exactly where it was?

C'mon.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 04:42 | 4571460 Element
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I suppose there may be HAM radio operators around the region who know when one part of it or all of JORN is broadcasting, and what pulse-schedule and frequencies it uses.

Just guessing but as it would cost a lot to keep it operating (it is a huge series of arrays, lots of wattage), they probably schedule a regular snapshot ping of the region say once every 10 or 15 minutes as a tripwire, and mix in some random pings to detect movements trying to avoid detection. They'd only operate and focus it continuously on an area when something interesting was taking place, like air combat training or warship movements, it sees both, plus civil shipping as well. As I understand it all object contacts are tracked and identified and a track history going back for years on the same ship, or same aircraft, is available, so these can reveal changes in tactics or patrol paths and routines, etc. Interesting contacts that can not be identified from marine and air based flight plans and/or radio transmission interactions, can then be investigated by patrol aircraft or a UAV. This info is shared with US, NZ and others for that purpose.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:36 | 4571344 Bazza McKenzie
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It's US satellite data, shared with Australia, UK, Canada and NZ as part of the long-term intelligence agreement between those 5 countries.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:48 | 4571362 The_Prisoner
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It's commercial satellite imagery, according to the announcement.

How deep can the P8 Poseidon's radar penetrate under the surface?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 04:13 | 4571448 Element
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I'm having doubts about this, could be anything from a dead whale in the sat images, or a split boat hull part with some buoyancy tanks still intact.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:19 | 4571605 mvsjcl
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Are the objects about the same size as those that were found on the Pentagon lawn?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 04:52 | 4571472 Buck O Five
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Think magnetic anomoly detector + MK1 eyeball

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:03 | 4571470 Element
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Australia has numerous satellite comms and tracking arrays which use and control US military satellites, and has access to the imagery. My guess is the ADF could see the JORN track of the flight when they finally went back and looked for it, and have now gone back through the recorded SAT images to the day the aircraft disappeared, to see if the objects they are now tracking on SAT images, appeared in the ocean on that day.

It they did then that would make you fairly confident this might be part of the wreckage.

The question is, do they routinely monitor all parts of the ocean like that?

The scale of satellite control and data reception facilities in Australia and the numbers of such facilities suggests they probably do routinely take continuous imagery of everything, everywhere, so that it's available for such cross-checks, at a later time.

I strongly suspect they have been doing this ever since the mystery VELA nuclear test in 1979.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident

Named after these satellites:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_%28satellite%29

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:30 | 4571502 UselessEater
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element, OT, you may / may not know this mob.........

http://cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=media&id=/video/20140314_cec_wr.htm

 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:44 | 4571515 Element
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I'll listen to that, thanks. btw, love the avatar.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:56 | 4571529 UselessEater
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OK, I'm not endorsing just sharing, not much in Aust that challenges the brain though fairdinkumradio.com is interesting... I've done some stuff with them - v.basic econ/cashless stuff - but otherwise the site has some decent interviews on a range of topics and I'd enjoy hearing you -Leon the host is a solid trucky punching above his weight always on the look for an interview guest.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:53 | 4571559 Element
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Well I listened to it and can't find anything to disagree with there. Perhaps the "Infrastructure Man" might find their advice useful. ;-)  I'm a nobody as an interview guest. Frankly that interview covered all topics pretty well.

Would just have added that the West already has copious satellite imagery of the area and knows exactly the disposition of Russian forces near the border, so the flyover request is melodrama and otherwise unnecessary. Putin knows that too. So yes, Putin is just playing the game, knowing the flight is irrelevant, in order to accommodate a partial deescalation mechanism.

I'm not surprised NATO is exercising in the Black Sea and patrolling Poland etc., it's a deterrent and a bluff (talk of deploying Iskander to threaten US missile defenses in Poland lead to this) and is also a requirement for diplomacy as a bargaining chip.

Europe is actually nervous because Ukraine needs to also understand that cutting-off the gas to spite Vlad, is not an option NATO will accept from Kiev.

There are several dynamics in there and I think the net effect is that Russia is in a position, for the first time since WWII, to sideline the US in European foreign affairs. If you had that capacity, and you were a guy who speaks and thinks like Vlad, would you not try to gently ease PAX-Americana into the grave and make the US roll-up their tents and go home? Like the Soviet Union did.

I sure would, if it could be carefully done, and that is what I expect to occur. The US is going to not want to step into its grave, and the reaction of Cheney is the tell-tale admission that they know this is the trajectory of Russia's geostrategic development.

It's US greed that is on exhibit. The US doesn't need such strategic control, it only wants it, and it shouldn't have it as clearly it can not be trusted, and is a hair's breath away from act far worse than Hitler ever dreamed of. In that sense at least, I hope Putin does do just that. Whether he can pull it off we will soon see, but I think he will quietly go for it.  The financial collapse will turn the tide too, and at least a recession is coming, Just look at that 4 year macro trend. 2015 will be soft to negative.

Note that Obama said just today (article on RT) that the US will not go into Ukraine, and that a military involvement there will not be occurring.

China became very hegemonic in diplomatic and economic attitude in mid-2009, and we can expect them to do that again if the US gradually collapses back and is shunted out of the Eurosphere. They will also try to make sure the US remains weakened and can not easily rise again (which is exactly what Beijing tried to do to Japan in 2009 via trying to force Australia to sell iron-ore to China @$30 per ton cheaper than the Japanese's contract price).

Both speakers are obviously sharp and honest, no weird stuff, so thanks for passing that link I'll keep track of them.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:17 | 4571601 UselessEater
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CEC has some interesting perspectives - born of Lyndon LaRoche (from my mixed journey starting with CEC then Catherin Austin Fitts leading to John Rapport interviews with PR insiders like Ellis Medavoy they are admantant LaRouche was a man targeted for disdain).

The CEC seems to be the most active at attempting to force political discourse, the ad in the papers with 'leaders' calling for glass-stegall type legislation however went no where??? Some of their headlines are too much IMO but its good to hear things from various points of view.......brain sleep now.

 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:58 | 4571654 Element
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Funny you should mention Lyndon LaRoche, he's a guy I've never explicitly read (don't remember ever doing so, and don't know much about him) but first thing this morning I stumbled into this article, which I read, when surfing the news updates on Crimea:

Obama, US gov't must be removed to save mankind - presidential candidate LaRouche

http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_03_19/Obama-US-govt-must-be-removed-to-sav...

Damn these coincidences! I've read John Rapport, he's a bit uptight (many American's are) but real sharp guy with the technicolor overview. And Paul Craig Roberts has also gone in swinging lately, really firing on all cylinders about Washington and FED/Wall-Street.

Anyway thanks for the chat, all the best.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:02 | 4571586 The_Prisoner
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Those guys provide honest commentary. Thanks for sharing. Will definitely check them from time-to-time.

The truth of the matter is that Russia has not invaded Crimea any more than the US Marines have invaded Darwin. Russia has a treaty which allow up to 25000 troops in Crimea. So the troop movements were allowed under that treaty.

Everything else is propaganda by Westerm media. And we know who controls that

 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:14 | 4571598 sumo
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"My guess is the ADF could see the JORN track of the flight when they finally went back and looked for it, and have now gone back through the recorded SAT images to the day the aircraft disappeared, to see if the objects they are now tracking on SAT images, appeared in the ocean on that day."

I would say your guess is spot on. US military which has close ties to JORN, has been trying to nudge the Insane Clown Posse, a.k. Malaysian Govt., in the right direction for some time.

First it was "Golly, the Indian Ocean might be interesting, even though its well away from where the Clowns are looking, hint hint". The Clowns didn't take the hint, because they're clowns.

Then it was " Gee we'd like to help, but we need to be invited, we just can't take over the investigation, hint hint." No takers.

Then it was "The southern track, deep off the Australian coast, is more interesting than the northern track, hint hint". The Clowns start to get a clue.

Then the next nudge was from the Aussies. "Thanks for inviting us to lead the southwards search. The Indian Ocean is vast, but we're going to focus on this particular area south-west of Perth, hint hint."

Another nudge from the Aussies. "Hey look at this GEOINT we just happen to have. My goodness, is that plane wreckage perchance? What say we take a closer look, eh?."

The problem for the Aussies and US was how to guide the Clowns without giving anything away about JORN's capabilities, and preferably not even mentioning it. The Five Eyes do not want another story about mass surveillance, this time of ships and planes in SE Asia.

Two things made me suspicious early on about this story and its management. First was the steady stream of subtle leaks from the NY Times which were ahead of the Clowns, and accurate. The next was the parade of "experts" saying how hard it was to track planes flying at low altitudes.

What the shit-for-brains experts didn't say was that this flight was smack in the sight of JORN's #2 radar, and if it's flying, then there is no hiding - even terrain-hugging stealth bombers stick out like dogs' balls when JORN is looking.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 08:36 | 4571680 Element
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That may be so, I wrote this a few days ago, when lookin at the proposed search area (see third page of referenced link if you want to see it):

"Interesting, as about half of that area given for the 18th's search area falls just south of the (official) operational arc of the observational view area of the JORN OTHR. Emphasis on officially, the real performance and scan volume addressed is something else entirely. That official area is just the original design mid-1990s area that was assured to have reliable coverage, even in poor ionospheric conditions, that degraded transmission and bounce-return path reception. In other words, beyond this area the reception of contacts only BEGINS to degrade, but the actual useful routine scan area and volume is about three times larger, than the initial claimed early operational range of the JORN system. We know that system has been extensively expanded and upgraded ever since that initial operational range at time of delivery acceptance by the ADF, was established. That OTHR system now sees everything in South East Asia and the central and northern Indian oceans, plus well into southern China, and almost as far as Japan and Hawaii in good ionosheric conditions.

The question is, did the JORN system of today, see something down there, or are they just following the geostationary satellite reception's arc, across the ocean?

Well that area depicted seems to fall to the south of the arc line on this image:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014...

 

So why are they looking that far south?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-17/finally-plausible-scenario-what...

 

My question from that time was that this proposed location made no clear sense unless they saw something in that direction, and think it's down there there.

I also wrote within this very page, below, that ABC said this wreckage was actually even further south than that article for the 18th's search area indicated. It is south of its southernmost boundary. This is way south of what the arc image above suggested! So they were deliberately looking down in that direction, for what they knew must be down there.

Or will it turn out to be a dead whale?

Probably not, for as on commenter above said, the sat images given are COMMERCIAL, not military grade, so the military are looking at imagery that we aren't seeing, and they think it is the wreckage, which is why it has been announced.

So now we have the heroic mission to find out. ;-)

 

btw, JORN was a 100% Australian developed. The US came in after it was operating, to see if it could be used as the basis for the missile defense tripwire and tracking system, once SATs spotted any initial launches from the closest nuclear powers. It was at about that time the US said it was going to treat Australia as a 'strategic equal' partner, and provide full data and intel access. So JORN and also SILEX were a part of the quid-pro-quo arrangement with the Washington NWO in 1999. Given Australia had both these technologies, the US had to elevate Australia from pawn to a country that actually had to 'defended'. I took this to further mean that without that elevation, and given what was happening with proliferation in 1998, that Howard's Govt was going to go nuclear if it was not provided. And as we now found out last month the US, in the Japanese case, even went so far as to give Tokyo 300 kg of weapon grade plutonium, apparently as the strategic assurance and means to guarantee allied trust and cooperation to hold the Pacific, and not give an inch to any other power. It's all about the PNAC agenda for Washington, so it had to secure its vital allies.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 11:16 | 4571880 Payne
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I have never heard of JORN prior to this coversation.  Reading about it was very informative.  Goes way beyond my experiences.  So looks like your conjecture might be spot on.  The aussies saw the track and know where the plane stopped.  Even wierder now.  The middle of the ocean, no ships, no landing fields, he suicided by plane running out of gas in the middle of the briny blue.  What did the islanders see again ?  

 

Aircraft lands in Indonesia , aircraft take off again on remote to dump in isolated area of the IO.  Possible right ?  It would be difficult for the Radar operators to distinguish and interpret.  They would want to examine the wreck, next.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 15:59 | 4574112 Element
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I answered your comment in the newer thread, basically agree with you that it's possible and makes some sense if the cargo is all the pilot, or whoever engaged their services, wanted. Problem is you are a mass murderer, and you will be hunted. Unless the guy is a religious nutter I can't see anyone doing that, going from an airline career to a mass murderer and on the run?

That part makes no sense to me is all but see my reply.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/eliminate-flight-370-theories-s...

Regarding wreckage there's none and may not be. This is all conjecture, every bit. I'm getting uncomfortable with doing any more of it as there's a better than even chance of all of it being wrong, I'll see what comes of the search, I don't think I understand this any better than the first time we talked. 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:51 | 4570995 Oleander
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I think they took it down also. I just think they have been tying up loose ends and clearing up the mess. 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:52 | 4570997 fonestar
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It was a fire, killed the transponders and became a ghost plane flying into the ocean.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:44 | 4571155 Pinto Currency
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Burning planes don't fly for 7+ hours.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:15 | 4571403 thamnosma
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In the digital world of fonestar they do

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:09 | 4571485 UselessEater
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if he understood spooks he'd understand BTC (well he'd atleast accept the possibility BTC wasn't all liberty peaches)

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:44 | 4571156 IridiumRebel
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Yes, but what about BTC?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:58 | 4570998 Quus Ant
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So wouldn't they have said the same thing they said with the Penn. flight?  Terrorists flew it into the ocean after a struggle

or something?  The wreckage would be.... somewhere.

Why the big delay? 

Because the plane isn't there.  There isn't any wreckage.  

And the beat goes on. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 08:21 | 4571695 actionjacksonbrownie
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Oh the plane may be there alright... but it stopped in Diego Garcia to refuel and lighten its load first.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:20 | 4571087 Payne
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Alternate theory someone successfully hijacked the airplane with the help of the Captain due to an extremely dangerous cargo onboard the aircraft.  Same group of people that is helping Bankers with flying lessons from roof tops.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 08:50 | 4571781 Bangin7GramRocks
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Depression will soon set in for the millions of people that were hoping for something more exciting. No aliens! Shadow cabal controlled remote landing or movie plot worthy gold theft! What the fuck! Oh well, another juicy conspiracy event will happen within a week or two.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:46 | 4570980 Oh regional Indian
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Psy-op written all over this.

International flying is not safe.

Stay home and cower...

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:50 | 4570990 Grande Tetons
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....with your Gold. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:41 | 4571149 IridiumRebel
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So I should travel by boat?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:10 | 4571306 TruthInSunshine
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Whatever you do, do NOT travel by boat with precious metals, firearms, ammunition, etc.

Statistically speaking, that is the highest risk way of losing possession - forever - of those items, as a result of a tragic accident.

I have a great many friends, acquaintances & neighbors who lost ALL such possessions in said tragic boating accidents.

It's almost a cursed exercise in transport from the outset.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:18 | 4571495 UselessEater
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bet their boats weren't headed to Aust, that woulda saved 'em (and replenished our PM stocks a former nitwit sold for pennies on our behalf).... so please do advise them in the future to head our way and we'll keep their PMs safe at the Perth Mint.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:22 | 4570860 LetThemEatRand
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Just a spare.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:27 | 4570862 TeamDepends
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Alrighty then, people of Maldives saw plane flying low at roughly the right time.  Possibly landed?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:41 | 4570962 Bonapartist
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Oceanic Flight 815

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:21 | 4571097 Jack Burton
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Didn't the Maldives get badly destroyed by that tidal wave many years back! I hear they are only a few feet above sea level on the whole.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:38 | 4571509 Cacete de Ouro
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The heat was on Diego Garcia, so they had to call in the Australians and go to contingency Plan OZ

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:44 | 4571517 YHC-FTSE
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It's the only place it could have landed that fits all the known facts. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:04 | 4571533 Ace Ventura
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Bingo. The fact the MSM tried for days to ignore Diego Garcia is a major clue. They were finally forced to bring it up, but quickly had their on-air 'experts' dispell the idea. My guess, based on what is known/unknown, in order of probability:

1. Hijacked/taken over remotely - diverted to Diego Garcia under AWACS escort, allowing it to be shielded from most radar networks in the area (the WHY of this would be interesting to know for sure)

2. Hijacked and taken to some African/SW Asia backwater airfield, where the lack of surveillance and technological infrastructure allows for something like a 777 to be more easily hidden

3. Hijacked and upon the perps making contact, military assets were scrambled and the 777 was escorted to some remote area of the ocean, whereupon it was obliterated. Figure this would be in the complete opposite direction from where all the 'searching' is being directed.

 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:09 | 4571592 YHC-FTSE
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Once you figure out it landed on the UK/US base of Diego Garcia, the implications are too horrible to express. No doubt there will be low level sailors and soldiers on the island who will confirm it in the coming years. 

I was worried plan B was going to be MH370 suddenly parking itself in the side of a building somewhere populated with Iranian and Syrian passports raining down on the street, so "wreckage" in the ocean to wipe the slate clean is marginally reassuring.  We still don't know what sort of diabolical cargo it was carrying to Beijing originally that necessitated the killing of the two exnavy seals guarding the transfer in the Seychelles. 

Look, we all know there are some fucking evil psychopaths in government,  but a stunt like this shows another level hubris, and stupidity perhaps borne out of desperation.  I reckon the financial system that they depend on is going to unwind fast this year. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 09:12 | 4571812 Cacete de Ouro
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To have the audacity and desperation to hijack and force this plane back to Diego Garcia, they must have needed to prevent something huge from getting in the hands of the Chinese, such as information that would collapse the system (such as detailed Intel on the planning of 9/11 being delivered to the Chinese) that had perhaps been stolen or in the hands of a whistleblower.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:24 | 4570869 LetThemEatRand
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Pilot's passport floating in the water in 3, 2 ...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:31 | 4570913 TeamDepends
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Burned beyond recognition.  Clearly the work of Al-Queciadiadia.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:34 | 4570934 LetThemEatRand
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Immediate burial at sea for the remains.  That's how Malaysians roll.  Oh, they got that covered already.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:10 | 4571052 MsCreant
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They are all muslim, right? It is just respectful to do that as soon as possible.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:36 | 4571143 IridiumRebel
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Did someone say quesadillas?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:20 | 4571608 grunk
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Al quesadilla are Mexican terrorists.

They do the terrorist jobs that Muslim terrorists won't do. 

 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:23 | 4571109 Jack Burton
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Ha! Good one Rand! Like 9/11, the passport laying out on the fucking street! I'm surprised no Russian passport turned up in the building used by the EuroMiadan snipers! How in hell did CIA forget to drop one??

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:34 | 4570932 McMolotov
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*ABBOTT: MAYBE THE DINGO AT YOUR PLANE, BABY.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:36 | 4570940 Beard of Zeus
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I may (or may not) have to take a crap in a couple of hours, but I promise to keep you updated.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:38 | 4570949 zionhead
Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:40 | 4570956 LetThemEatRand
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Must have been a real pressure cooker during the 777 descent.  That's for you, NSA.  Thanks, again, for protecting us.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:25 | 4571325 TruthInSunshine
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Zuckerberg is especially OUTRAGED regarding the MASSIVE ALL ENCOMPASSING spooking/spying by NSA/CIA/DHS/STELLAR WIND now, given that the shredding of the constitution didn't even help protect against this incident, and he plans on calling Obama again tomorrow to give him another earful.

p.s. - If you see some guy taking a piss against the glass behind Anderson Vanderbilt Cooper, that might be me. I've had a lot of beers and am thinking of heading over there FFS.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:39 | 4570957 dr.charlemagne
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I will be very disappointed if Dr. Evil (in cahoots with the CIA) did not steal this plane. What else left to rescue us from the mundane world of NSA signal intel scandals?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:40 | 4570959 Who Laughed
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Sleight of hand,

Watch your back pockets

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:46 | 4570975 Shad_ow
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They know.  They have known all along.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:52 | 4570996 jim249
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They were hoping some search plane would find it so they would not have to divulge the information.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:47 | 4570982 Johnny Cocknballs
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maybe they'll find some of the missing black boxes from 9/11 during this hunt.

It was the damndest thing, not finding several of them... dunno about ELTs or whatever...

And those birds went down in a pretty specific, ascertainable position, eh?

 

The thing is, almost for sure, on the ocean floor {as opposed to Diego Garcia or Kazakhstan or the conspiracy locus du jure}  We may never know why for sure, I'm particularly interested, myself, on how probable it really is that the Pentagon couldn't or didn't find this thing within a half hour of it going silent. 

Seems very unlikely. But, I suppose, possible.

 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:07 | 4571039 Soul Glow
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Russian military escorted them onto an Iranian military base where the passengers are being kept alive and well for further diplomacy figures.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:24 | 4571236 zionhead
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MH-370 PET THEORY

That's my theory, is that given this is a CIA-AL-QUEDA operation, and given that BEIJING is on board,..

BLAME THE FUCKING RUSSIANS, ... its a perfect cover for taking Kazakhstan.

All else is know, the only unknown is that when the 'plane' is found, how to put the BLAME on PUTIN, ... that's the real critical problem here.

 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:37 | 4571346 TruthInSunshine
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The IDF is reporting that they had to shoot it down when they confirmed that it had been re-painted as an El Al commercial airliner & was on track for
Tel Aviv with an Iranian produced 500 Megaton Nuclear warhead on board.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:14 | 4571069 Proofreder
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 de jour, not jure.

 Jure is used for reference to a legal issue, not a day.

Guess that makes you the ignoramus de jour on ZH.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:18 | 4571082 Freedumb
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It's du jour. And de jure. Otherwise you're right on the distinction

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:58 | 4571381 Johnny Cocknballs
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Never did study French, and while I mostly meant of the day, I also was thinking of who is 'officially' listed.

Reminds me of a brilliant memo I turned in once - had to do with something a lot of very smart people had been unable to figure out.  Took me a month, but I laid it out, explained it, proved it {yes, purposely vague here}...  while it was strictly internal one of the people who was nominally above me read it and noted a typo and a spelling error.

No other comment, just that.

I asked him if he'd "managed" to understand what my report said, he said yes, and I said something like "good - the hard part was making it something you'd be able to understand" and left the room.

In my experience, the people leaping up to catch minor mistakes are fucktards who don't invent anything, and can't figure anything particularly complicated out, and generally hope that catching a mistake {and my goodness -  I'm also an ignoramus!} will buttress their own fragile ego - the ego of people who have little else but their intelligence to pride themselves on, but have spent life since college learning that a lot of the people who are smarter than them are also cooler, better fucks, tougher bastards, and have better hair.

 

Anyway, I think I do pretty good for someone who's had a few drinky-poos.  Ah, pardon me - 'pretty well.'

 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:08 | 4571392 TruthInSunshine
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de jure = legal context, meaning official; lawful

du jour = of the day; soup Nazi

On a more serious note, if anyone is religious, or even agnostic, maybe a prayer is in order for the victims of this tragedy and their families (just a humble suggestion).

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:11 | 4571398 Johnny Cocknballs
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yep, meant of the day, but have more Latin and wine in me brain than Froggish.

Almost went with pro tem but figured it's not as well known. 

I actually saw de jure {and contrasted with de facto} again very recently in reading a little bit about Transnistria, actually after the ZH article. 

Dunno if you're a fellow who is fascinated by maps, but if so check out the map via wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria

 

- it seems to be the least sensible border in the entire world.  I don't see how Russia annexes this tiny, fucked up, land locked little region. 

Putin might do well to reiterate, and suggest the Duma reiterate no designs on the Baltics or Poland.  I'm pretty sure they don't have them anyway, but it's handing NATO an excuse after Crimea to beef up patrols, exercises, etc.

 

Anyway....

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:32 | 4571139 IridiumRebel
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I got some papers needing editing. You work by the page or by the word count?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:01 | 4571361 Johnny Cocknballs
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du - as noted supra. Yes, I mixed up my languages and terms.  So kind of you to comment on only that.

So in the midst of being pedantic, you got it wrong.

So does that make you the cunt of the day, or at law?


How's the ol' cacoethes carpendi working out for you, so far, today?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:48 | 4570984 silvertri
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This is of course as good as its gets with Abbott on any issue......

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:39 | 4571348 UselessEater
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nah...Rhodes Scholars and Jesuits are super smart men of the people, you're just not seeing Abbott the right way, maybe this 30sec clip will help you ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN4PI5Y4Le4

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:48 | 4570985 silvertri
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This is of course as good as its gets with Abbott on any issue......

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:20 | 4571092 Freedumb
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Those airplane parts better not be fucking seeking asylum....

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:32 | 4571135 MsCreant
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But their craaaaaazy dude....

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:33 | 4571341 Bazza McKenzie
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No problem.  We'll just onforward to the US, which seems happy to let anyone and anything in as long as they're not white.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 23:57 | 4571014 Two Feet Studs Up
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CNN please stop trotting out this imbecile Richard Quest... What did this guy do in aviation to warrant him being the go to on this? Or perhaps he has a role to play?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:07 | 4571038 Grande Tetons
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Ahh, Richard Quest....the douche's douche. 

Kinda like that fuckhead, Max Keiser. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:10 | 4571053 Soul Glow
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Keiser - 

Had a good run as a banker for Goldman Saks, likes gold, yeah, that's it.  And he sounds like a parrot.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:10 | 4571056 butchtrucks
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Richard Quest!  Can't believe that meth-head is still allowed on air.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:29 | 4571127 IridiumRebel
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I met Quest. He's a douche....tall douche at that.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:05 | 4571195 Midas
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I didn't realized douches came in different sizes.  Next you will tell me they come in different colors...

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:46 | 4571275 fukidontknow
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WTF - I just got Granma to mortgage the farm and little Sally's virginity to go heavily into maxcoin.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:20 | 4571090 tony wilson
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richard fucking quest.

an ex bbc mi6 faggot now a cnn aviation expert.

a man who has been blackmailed and busted in london and new york for jerk wanking off men in toilets a fact.

an honest broker who tells us he was chillin with the pilot and filmin a few days before the plane went missing.

the guy is a fucking bad act.

like this fucking dumb fake mystery.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:25 | 4571117 Jack Burton
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Amen Tony, that fucking wanker is a bad penny, always turning up. Cunt!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:55 | 4571377 TruthInSunshine
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Richard Quest & Piers Morgan are rumored to be in a very hot homoerotic relationship according to Jeremy Clarkson.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:09 | 4571043 fukidontknow
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A Dingo found my Baby!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:08 | 4571044 butchtrucks
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Tony Abbott is a complete ass clown.  Default should be to ignore anything this guy has to say.  The fact he is suggesting wreckage found close to Perth almost guarantees the real watery resting place is closer to Taiwan.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:11 | 4571057 stant
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could be that . latest battery tech just sucks.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:20 | 4571070 observer007
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FBI examining data from Malaysia Airlines pilot’s… The FBI will analyze pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s home flight simulator in hopes of recovering computer files that were erased about a month before the ill-fated Malaysia Airlines flight. Investigators hope the missing files will provide new clues, or show…

 

Australia

Two objects spotted possibly NOT related to MH370:…

Latest NEWS:

http://tersee.com/#!q=Malaysia+Airlines&t=text

 

Full Passenger Manifest:

http://homment.com/mh370-passenger-list

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:20 | 4571088 Jack Burton
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CNN can finally get back to the Soviet invasion of Ukraine and Red Army troops storming Kiev!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 04:59 | 4571468 New World Chaos
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Yeah, MSM is spinning all over the place with Flight 370.  Watch the other hand.  The fact that black holes and other ridiculous theories are on CNN is a pretty good clue that the MSM is actively trying to muddy the waters.  The Australian wreckage will also play into that.  Easy to pull out a few cusions, bags and giblets on the secret terrorist island of Diego Garcia.  The plane will be used for a nuclear false flag elsewhere. 

Black holes.  Gimme a fucking break.  Lemme guess, those ghost calls and satellite signals came while the plane was flying in a parallel universe that traps matter but not radio waves?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:28 | 4571121 tony wilson
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typical sea is easy most lands problems.

canada or aussie lands perfect plenty of sas cia cover.

 

bbc saying the fbi are in the home of the pilot yes the yank fbi playing with his computers and his simulator.

sounds like a patsy loan wolf isamic muslamic meme.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:29 | 4571124 robertocarlos
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It is confusing but they did say the plane tracked SE.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:29 | 4571125 Jack Burton
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As a former US Navy Sailor, I can tell you the vast oceans are just chocked full of floating garbage and shit. But, in the case of a plane going in, you have the benefit of seat cusions, which float, and life preservers and rafts. No commercial jet can go in with out leaving a signature debries field. Hundreds of floaters minimum. These seas are so vast, eyeballing the sea would take a decade with dozens of ships. Luck, that is what is needed.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:55 | 4571177 CheapBastard
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That's not 'shit' sailor ... those are Baby Ruths:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPxiXGr9nFM

[sorry for the friggin 15 sec worthless ad that You Tube now ads to every friggin thing! I mak esure to write the ad name down so I never buy it again.]

 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:10 | 4571210 Carl Popper
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If he had been simulating water landings and then waited until dawn to try it for real (hence the 7 hours in the air) then he might have sunk the plane completely intact.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:23 | 4571409 thamnosma
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"just chocked full of floating garbage and shit"

That's the real tragedy.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:07 | 4571199 Carl Popper
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It couldnt have been found this quickly perusing satellite photos of two million square miles. The USA knew exactly where to look. But doesnt want to let anyone know the awesome power of our surveillance.

This one will turn out to be a false alarm. The next one in a few days will be the real deal "accidentally" found by an aussie p3 orion on "routine patrol".

Just wait and see.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:24 | 4571237 Shrapnel
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CNN's Don Lemon: "Is it preposterous to think a black hole caused flight 370 to go missing?"

 

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-don-lemon-is-it-preposterous-to-think-a-...

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:33 | 4571256 Element
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ABC News is saying a "merchant ship" is in the area and diverting to the objects, and Naval resupply ship on the way, Only AP-3C on station now, but 4 more aircraft enroute. US, Australian and New Zealand. Probably going to get there just before sundown. ADF spokesman says still not confirmed but apparently they are "confident enough to divert these aircraft and resources" (paraphrased) More aircraft currently taking off. They are saying ~2,500 km WSW of Perth. US P8 Poseidon has left Perth already and is apparently on-station reporting significant radar returns from ocean surface.

Despite that all being Australian airspace where those aircraft are searching and under Melbourne-center control, their transponder locations are not showing up on the regional flightradar tracker:

http://www.flightradar24.com/-35.9,86.64/4

Ah, they are saying the actual objects located by satellite are further SOUTH of the published Southern search area, from the 18th of March. They are still cautioning that this may not be the aircraft, still needs direct confirmation.

ABC has just confirmed the US P8 Poseidon is in fact on station.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:38 | 4571266 Judge Crater
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After the station break, Richard Quest will explain the presence of J.P. Morgan "suicide" bankers on board Air Malaysia flight MH370.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:58 | 4571382 TruthInSunshine
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And that Blythe Masters had smuggled herself into the landing gear compartment.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:41 | 4571629 sumo
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* Breaking * Breaking * Breaking *

Malaysian Govt set to announce breakthrough in MH370 mystery. Opposition politican Anwar Ibrahim will be charged with sodomizing the plane's flight computer. Sources close to the investigation say his chauffeur has given an eye-witness account. Sources are calling it a "perverted act of sabotage". A Govt source said "At last we can do what we do best: bribing witnesses and fabricating evidence. The demands from the decadent West and China, demands that we do something useful and competent, have been disrespectful to our traditional culture. At last we can return to business as usual."

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:43 | 4571276 ebworthen
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Hey now, how do we know it isn't flotsam and jetsam from the Tsunami?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:46 | 4571279 Element
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Which Tsumami 2004 boxing day? It's almost south central Indian ocean.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:04 | 4571295 Cacete de Ouro
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Yesterday the search was compared to a Needle in a Haystack.
Today the Aussies may have found it?
I don't think so.

And I do not trust Tony Abbott. He looks like a lying dingo.

Another Tony Bliar.

Looks like Abbott is reading his piece from a script while being gently prodded by the USG

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:08 | 4571301 Element
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He's actually a lot more like a western version of Putin than a limp dick scumbag like Blair.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:34 | 4571337 Cacete de Ouro
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But a liar nonetheless. It's well documented that Tony Abbott is a liar, maybe even a pathological liar. He has absolutely no moral objection to saying whatever is needed (in his mind) on any occasion.

Example:

"Tony Abbott’s problem with the truth"
http://theaimn.com/2013/12/13/tony-abbotts-problem-with-the-truth/

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:53 | 4571372 Element
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Good examples in Tony Abbott’s case being; “I was robbed of becoming Prime Minister”.  “It’s all the Independents’ fault”.  “I want another election, and I want it now!” Ad nauseum.

Are you kidding me, this is evidence for you? That author totally made that shit up, Abbott never said any of that. What that page you linked is, is lefty propaganda from radical greenies.

A left-greenie propagandist is calling someone else a pathological liar! Classic pot-kettle stuff. An example of the lefty-greenie agenda:

Tony Abbott lies on Radio about not doing deals:

On February 20, 2013, Tony Abbott was interviewed by Neil Mitchell in the studio of 3AW.

    Neil Mitchell: Will you talk to the Greens about cooperating with you?

    Tony Abbott: Look, I think that’s been part of Julia Gillard’s problem. She embraced the Greens. This turned out to be a fatal embrace and I don’t do these sorts of deals with people. I mean, I wasn’t prepared to give the independents, I wasn’t prepared to give the Greens what they wanted. Julia Gillard was and I think her government, from the beginning, has been fatally compromised.

    Neil Mitchell: So no deals to get into power?

    Tony Abbott: I don’t do deals, Neil.

    Neil Mitchell: You tried to.

Pure assertion, repeated by said greenies, who got squat from Abbott, what silly utter nonsense, and this is your certain proof of Abbott the "pathological" liar? Really? It seems kinda thin, to non-existent. But whatever, I've never seen a politician in my life who was not a professional liar, so trying to discriminate between politicians on the basis of who is a liar, seems pretty fucked-up to me.

But that whole link was a warped piece of nit-picking imaginary bollocks and lies too.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:50 | 4571366 UselessEater
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Abbott like a western Putin?? not even close, Abbott maybe well connected through his Rhodes, Jesuit and brown-nosing Howard days but he's a silly little twit man who was caught out begging to be chosen as PM like a yappy puppy without the charm.

Not that I like any of these self-serving "leaders".....each and everyone sells out the people one way or another.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:57 | 4571379 Element
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Begging to be chosen PM?

He won the Liberal Party leadership in the usual party ballot.

He then contested and won a National election, in a major landslide victory, that smashed the former govt and Greens to pieces Nationally.

And this is begging to be PM to you, is it?

 

OK, you are clearly an informed and deeply honest person yourself.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:05 | 4571390 UselessEater
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He begged Windsor when we had the hung election Gillard "won" if you recall.... yeh I not be smart but I be honest

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:07 | 4571396 UselessEater
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a link...

http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-day-abbott-bared-his-soul-20110827-1j...

Mr Windsor recalls feeling alarm and pity when Mr Abbott revealed the depth of his personal desire to become prime minister.

''I remember him saying: 'Tony, I would do anything for this job. The only thing I wouldn't do is sell my arse, but I'd have to give serious thought to it,''' he said.

His fellow crossbench MP Rob Oakeshott also recalls Mr Abbott begging for the job but would not comment publicly about this gag.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 08:25 | 4571701 i-dog
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Something for you and Element to note (if you're not already aware): The whole Australian parliamentary leadership is now Jesuit ... PM Tony Abbott, Deputy PM Joe Hockey, Opposition leader Bill Shorten, Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce, House leader Christopher Pyne, and probably a few others. The PM of New Zealand is a Jew. So they're all Khazars and all working in secret (the 'Jesuit way') with other Asian leaders with Jesuit connections to implement the Trans Pacific Partnership.

</tinfoil hat>

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:11 | 4571400 Element
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Sorry then I misunderstood the election you referred to, you are right, in that election every one of the Canberra scum were falling over themselves to try and wrest control. I withdraw my statement about your motives there.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:53 | 4571374 butchtrucks
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Memo to Element - please stop sucking scumbag Tony Abbott's cock for once in your fucking life.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:08 | 4571386 Element
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Because just telling flat out lies and BS is OK, right?

Is it alright if I suck Greenpeace's and bob browns cock instead?

Yeah, everyone knows you are a little zio-aligned radical-lefty greenish moron teddybear, you've made that more than plain in the past with your CAGW baloney and hysteria.

And for your information, I don't even vote, and haven't for years, and never will again.

So I can comment any way I want, and the way I want, is truthfully.

 

So suck on that ... watermellon.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:11 | 4571401 UselessEater
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Element I agree that Abbott is no better than the rest - Watermelons included!! While the left oushes for UN Agenda 21 for eg, Abbott pushes for the TPP and adoption of the OECDs shite plan for global taxation - its getting hard to tell the difference between bad and worst.... L/R cheeks of the same butt IMHO.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:26 | 4571406 Element
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Of course, funny how if one person says he's a "lying dingo", and says he's a Blair clone (which definitely isn't true), and I point out that no, he's actually much more like a western nationalist and closer to a Putin (which is actually true) I get this spectacular knee-jerk above. 

Makes me laugh. :D

But you are right, he's up for that whole agenda. This is why I don't vote, so I won't be a willing part of any of it.

 

EDIT: Oh, by the way, I would have thought that Abbott expressing his strong desire to take power, and doing whatever it takes, is a pretty honest response from him. I would expect no less. As I remember he explained it as his being deeply concerned that Labor would do exactly what they subsequently did.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:27 | 4571410 UselessEater
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good to laugh.... BTW I  enjoy your posts... but since the AEC keeps chasing me I gotta vote but the micro-parties get mine; some wierd and wonderful in that group!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:45 | 4571427 Element
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The AEC chase me too, rat bastards. :D

I can't listen to any of them any more, but all up I'd say Abbot is going to at least keep this shit together for a bit longer, as the US power-tide goes out. He seems very much inclined to the militarist approach though, as was Howard, and look how that turned out. 12 years of conflicts. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 04:37 | 4571461 UselessEater
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You're more confident than I, Abbott's u turn on debt limits etc has me worried about where this country is heading in a hurry and the excitement with G20 and UN security council membership is a bit too much for my taste - when it all turns pear shaped by the coming economic then militiary wars its very easy for Aust to become a Chinese state vs a US state (so to speak).

Who knows; at the end of the day we all are very uncomfortable with many aspects of our two party state and know the boat people thing is a major distractor from genuine debates and anlysis of any form about substantive issues. Its increasingly difficult to read/watch any Aust media, I just want to stay one step ahead of all the political bastards who seems determined to take us down a fascist and a socialist path via the boiling frog method.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:37 | 4571500 Element
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I increasingly wonder what the practical alternative is to this fascist or socialist path. We seem perpetually entrenched in swings between, with - get this - no Tony Blair 'Third Way'. Which was apparently a third fantasy. Certainly the UN-Green agenda can't possibly be it, that's the abdication of the 'Sapiens' part of our collective branding, though I've never been convinced that was entirely accurate anyway. We seem to be several different breeds of dogs (effectively), but lumping ourselves in generically as nominally, 'dog'.

My apparent 'confidence' you perceive stems only from the fact that the sun comes up every day the sky is always gorgeous and the birds always sing regardless of what any of those pricks does. So I don't mind too much what crap they want to do next. Soon they will all be dead, and seamlessly replaced by another breed of lost and deluded mind-fuckers. Whether they are chicoms or queenie's commonwealth, is not all that different. So I don't expect or demand perfection, or 'improvement', and am rarely disappointed or surprised.

I will help people, always, but will never help this venal system. The best a person can do is to rob it of all legitimacy, by just telling the truth about it, no more, no less, and see what's left, I mean right, I mean ... oh, fuck it. :D

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:18 | 4571539 UselessEater
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I hear you... the "help people" part is tough....I just get told in various ways neighbours are not interested. Its not a case of personal style as other I know who are different personalisities to me get the same. We don't have to agree but we have to wake up. I'm in FNQ, formerly NSW and WA and NT.... the english language does not always make comm's easier but the lack of willingness to discuss and question in a conversation makes me worry its a slow process - as a kinda former greenie who saw the watermelon light; sigh; I love nature but can't fall for the commo crap that is now just another version of my birth place (Zimb) where property rights were distinguished under another meme.

The sun is hiding in my FNQ tropical downpour but its still there - its also easier now to see that whatever Tony etc are selling on any continent is a boiling frogs version of Rhodesia-Zim.... but I genuinely fear chicom more because I know the ruthlessness of Africa and China for ordinary persons (while cognisant of the Anglo and Amercian disregard for human life the other was/is more personal).

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:12 | 4571582 Element
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I replied up the page to your link. I'm in NQ at the moment but move about a fair bit. I'm firmly convinced you can love the Earth without being a green alarmist hysteric. I studied geology for the very reason that I was amazed by earth and wanted to understand why it is this terrific place, and how a ball of mere silicate rock could possibly produced a thinking human as well.

But somehow - and get this - people who really formally study the earth, and work with it, and understand it fairly well, they are the enemy of the green movement. Why? Because they don't want to know about the earth, or to save it, not really, that is secondary - they want raw power.

Knowledge undercuts power, so it has to be managed, directed, undermined, discouraged or suppressed. And that is completely incompatible with honesty or genuine scientific approaches to understanding.

So I now have a strong sense of the great dishonesty and perversion of the entire green bandwagon.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:28 | 4571333 q99x2
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I think they landed it and emptied the cargo bay. Then they sent it back up out over the ocean on auto pilot and let it crash into the ocean.

Operation complete.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:34 | 4571342 Kina
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Abbott was a wanna be Jesuit priest until he left the Seminary.

 

Now he is the ass clowns ass clown -- total fucking moron -..who even told a political reporter on national TV that You could not believe him if he spoke something but could if he put it in writing.. the guy often contradicts himself in the same Sentence. And it seems he cant remember what he says from day to day or what his position is on something one moment to the next '

 

He spent his first few months in govt trying to destroy Australia's relationship with Indonesia.... through pure ignorance and stupidity

 

He is also as gutless as hell and is known to regularly physically run away from interviews if the questions get too hard. Reporters probably now wear runners.

 

he would be the equivalent of Karl Roves mentally disabled brother, if he had one.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:38 | 4571423 Element
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You seem rather despondent about the man. :D

Put him beside Obozo or Cameron, or Hollande, or the latest Italian corrupt puppet, they're all light-weights compared to Abbott, not one of them could take him, either physically, mentally or politically.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:39 | 4571349 Kina
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Also Abbott would lick the shit from a cats bum if the USG suggested it. He has no brain.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:37 | 4571558 UselessEater
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how do you feel about Hockey.............

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 09:57 | 4572018 Element
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I thought he was referring to Alexander Downer.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:43 | 4571353 Kina
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When Abbott went you became a Rhodes Scholar by just hanging around for a few years... it actually was not based on any academic achievement whatsoever

He left the Seminary because they could not stand his attitude

He is a serious imbecile

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:38 | 4571422 RabbitChow
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The easiest explanation I know of would be to  head due west from last known position and due south from last miiitrary ping positin and land at car nicobar island.

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