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Russian Forces Storm Ukraine Naval Base In Crimea: Klitschko Calls For Ukraine Troop Withdrawal

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It only makes sense that now that Crimea is officially Russian territory once again, that the Russians would do with it as they see fit. Which they did. Overnight Russian troops and unarmed men stormed Ukraine's naval headquarters in the Crimean port of Sevastopol and raised the Russian flag in what Reuters described as "a tense but peaceful takeover that signals Moscow's intent to neutralize any armed opposition." Russian soldiers, and so-called "self-defense" units of mainly unarmed volunteers who are supporting them across the Black Sea peninsula, moved in early in the morning and quickly took control.

Keep in mind that this took place the day after the Ukraine military authorized its forces to use weapons to defend themselves if attacked. Considering that they did not do that is only further evidence of just how seriously Putin and Russian generals take any attempts by Ukraine to "defend" itself.

And yet in what is certainly an invitation for future provocations, shortly after the incident, Ukraine's acting Defence Minister Ihor Tenyukh said in Kiev that the country's forces would not withdraw from Crimea even though Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a treaty to make it part of Russia.

But an hour later, Ukrainian servicemen, unarmed and in civilian clothing, began walking out of the headquarters. As NBC added, "about a dozen Ukrainian servicemen were later pictured being led out of the base."

More from Reuters:

The first group of servicemen was followed within a few minutes by a handful of troops in Ukrainian uniform, looking shell-shocked at the dramatic turn of events. "This morning they stormed the compound. They cut the gates open, but I heard no shooting," said Oleksander Balanyuk, a captain in the navy.

 

"This thing should have been solved politically. Now all I can do is stand here at the gate. There is nothing else I can do," he told Reuters, appearing ashamed and downcast.

 

Russia's Itar-Tass news agency reported that Alexander Vitko, commander of Russia's Black Sea Fleet which is based in Sevastopol, had been involved in talks at the headquarters. Viktor Melnikov, in charge of the "self-defence" unit, said talks were going on to negotiate a surrender.

 

"We've had difficult negotiations with the command here," he told reporters. "Some Ukrainian servicemen are already leaving, without their uniforms, but there was no violence." A Reuters reporter saw three armed men, possibly Russian soldiers in unmarked uniforms, at the gate and at least a dozen more inside the compound.

Yet for all the ongoing posturing, the situation on the ground appears to have calmed down:

In Crimea's main city, Simferopol, where one Ukrainian serviceman was killed after a shooting on Tuesday, the situation was calm on Wednesday.

 

It was the first death on the Black Sea peninsula from a military clash since the region came under Russian control three weeks ago. Ukrainian prime minister Yatseniuk denounced it as a "war crime".

 

Aksyonov, Crimea's pro-Moscow leader, suggested the incident was the fault of "provocateurs" opposed to the annexation of the region to Russia.

 

"Unfortunately, two people were killed," he said, speaking in Moscow. "I'm sure we will find these scoundrels. The security service of the Crimean Republic is investigating."

But nowhere is the resignation within Ukraine's acting political leadership more evident than in a statement just uttered by potential presidential candidate and former boxer, Vitali Klitschko:

  • UKRAINE GOVT SHOULD WITHDRAW TROOPS FROM CRIMEA, KLITSCHKO SAYS

More appeasement of Putin: will it result in the annexation of east Ukraine? Surely. The only question is when.

 

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Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:11 | 4566907 dirtyfiles
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dont fuck with Putin

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:31 | 4566967 GetZeeGold
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Could just go with Plan B....starvation....worked pretty good last time.

 

Of course we have the Internet now.....so we'd probably hear about that.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:35 | 4566985 fx
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Tyler, can you ever stop this neo-con bullsh!t of Putin planning to annex each and every place on earth??? You lose tremendously in credibility while you play the propaganda drum for the very people in DC who started this Ukrainian mess in the first place and thereby FORCED putin into actions he could and would not havee done otherwise...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:46 | 4566991 GetZeeGold
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So Putin didn't say he wanted the USSR back yesterday?

 

I'm pretty sure I heard him say that. If he didn't want us to know that...he probably shouldn't have said it.

 

I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing however. I doubt it was a slip of the tongue.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:55 | 4567048 Ralph Spoilsport
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At the end of Putin's speech yesterday, they played L'Internationale, the official anthem of communism and the national anthem for the USSR until 1944.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/291483/LInternationale

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:17 | 4567129 quintago
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He's just fucking with you. Relax.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:21 | 4567143 GetZeeGold
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Yeah.....everyone knows what a big kidder Vlad is.

 

The first 4 weeks of KGB training is just spent on honing your one liners.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:26 | 4567179 TheFourthStooge-ing
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He's just fucking with you. Relax.

He probably did it to see if he could trigger Grandpa Traitor McCain's apoplexy on The Stroke Talk Express.

Imagine the fun he'll have taunting Hysterical Hillary.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:00 | 4567304 Cygnus Nigri
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Watching this I get the mental picture of a cat sitting in a cage of hamsters batting them about as they scurry in terror.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:07 | 4567336 Bearwagon
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Well you may be right, and in fact heard him say that. But after investing a notable amount of time with help from a fluent russian speaking friend I can seriously state that he definitely didn't say anything like that in his speech at the kremlin yesterday. Elsewhere - maybe ...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:45 | 4567013 ThirdWorldDude
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Moreover, Tyler should provide real facts: it was two people that were killed in Simferopol yesterday - one serviceman in the Ukraine installation (that btw, was about to go over to the "dark" side) and one Russian, a member of the "self-defense" units (most probably former Berkut as most of them fled mainland Ukraine after they were dismissed by the Neonazi 'government')

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.se/2014/03/2-killed-in-shooting-near-crimea.html

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 11:33 | 4567782 Kirk2NCC1701
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Nice bit of sarcasm, that not everyone appreciates, it seems.  However...

In 1991, when Slovenia became the first break-away of old Yugoslavia, and the mostly-Serb populated military base (city garrison) in the capital of Ljubljana first decided to "dig in", the new Slovenian DOD told them:  "We don't need your old, crappy garrison.  Stay as long as you like.  Oh, BTW, no Utilities:  No water, no sewer service, gas, electricity or phones."  They cleared out a few days later, w/o a single shot being fired.

Imagine if they had an internet and smart phones back then, which would get cut?  Why, they'd cave even faster!

If our MIC/DOD ran the show, you couldn't get out of there, without a major war cranking up the body-bag count and the national debt.  After all, it's not their money or their kids being used in their vain little board games.  It's YOUR kids and your Money-as-Debt, your Debt-as-Taxes that are being used.  I swear that the "Anunaki" could not be more calculating and ruthless as these... "Clingons".  And you know how Kirk feels about Klingons.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:22 | 4566938 codecode
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please don't bother Obummer with this today - he's working on his b-ball bracket picks

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:27 | 4566952 Independent
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I think the guys holding out in the base saw the video of the signing of the accession of Crimea to Mother Russia and the know you dont get between a mother bear and its cub, so they packed up and shipped out.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 11:19 | 4567701 Kirk2NCC1701
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O:  If you like your Crimea, you can keep your Crimea. 

And Eric (Holder) tells me that he wants a Selfie with Crimea's new AG, Natalia Poklonskaya.  He wants it Fast & Furiously, he says.  I'd get one, if the Wookie would let me.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:27 | 4566953 kridkrid
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We all need to overcome our conditioning which tells us that things are always black and white, good vs. evil, republican vs. democrat, etc. The very warranted anti-US, anti-imperialism, anti-Obama perspective that exists here would be well served to not morph into something pro-putin. They are all sociopaths.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:46 | 4567015 TheReplacement
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Wow, only one red (not me).  You go gurl.

Putin for dictator... oh wait... we have our own.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:53 | 4567040 Terminus C
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I love how some Putin/Obama/Left-Right Paradigm Shill down voted you.  It is amazing how badly the sheep need someone to lead them.

The sheep need a mesiah, it is hard wired.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:56 | 4567044 Ifigenia
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You are probably right, all those "leaders" are just fighting for their interests and want the sheeps sympathy to fight for them. But why Tyler didnt mention this accident with sniper involve? Is tyler working for some leader? or isnt good to report news from two side and let the sheeps choose?

"Crimea local police and the Prosecutor’s office are briefing on the shooting at the Ukrainian military topography and navigation center in Simferopol on Tuesday, in which two people were killed. At least one sniper is suspected to be behind the attack." in RT

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:45 | 4567254 Element
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Yes, Tyler is working for CHAOS, he is a very wicked man, with a finger in all pies, and ... and ... a real prick too!

Feel better? Is there anything else you'd like on a headline?

Here's an idea, apply for contributor status, and write a few posts, and we'll all read them and hold you to the same standards you expect.

Seriously, do it, it might be worthwhile.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:03 | 4567070 fightthepower
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Putin is the only one that stands between the NWO taking over the world and the slight possiblity of freedom.  I think that is why many here are hoping he wins. 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:35 | 4567173 mccvilb
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A Must Read by Michael Colhaze about Putin, McCain, Soros, Obama, the EU. Georgia, the Ukraine and the disenfranchised.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/03/grand-chess-great-flops-in-...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:13 | 4566910 Seize Mars
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Hey, let's all become Zionists! Will it help my career? Can I now obtain the business funding I need?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:18 | 4566923 negative rates
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What do you have to put up for colladeral?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:20 | 4566933 Seize Mars
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Your eternal soul?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:22 | 4566937 negative rates
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Keep walkin buddy.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:30 | 4566965 Independent
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Sure I can tell you how to get funding, set up a web page asking Christians for money to repatriate some Jews to Israel from whatever butfuck place you cant think up of.  Then buy some web adds on some news sites and you soon will roll in the cash

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:28 | 4566955 Independent
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The Rabbi will take your foreskin as a deposit lol

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:39 | 4566996 countryboy42
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I thought that was just the tip.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:47 | 4567267 Element
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Careful, give them an inch and they take a mile.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:10 | 4567346 Bearwagon
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How about a two thousand years old ramshackle wall?!  ;-)

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 11:08 | 4567658 Kirk2NCC1701
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Funny you'd say that, but a school friend of one of my kids is planning to do just that, to help her get through college.

She's quite cunning and competitive anyway, I'm told, so playing for the "winning team" (her words) doesn't seem like a biggie.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:13 | 4566913 PlusTic
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sounds good, let's take advice form a guy who gets hit in the head for a living...

has to be sound advice :O

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:15 | 4566918 rsnoble
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Pretty sure he has a playlist just like Obama.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:36 | 4566987 GetZeeGold
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Not so much a play list. Rather merely suggestions.

 

Obama is pretty flexible since the elections.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:18 | 4566924 SpanishGoop
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No, from a movie star is much better.....

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:21 | 4566935 Uncle Remus
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As opposed to someone who gets bitch-slapped for a living - in the international spotlight.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:48 | 4567020 TheReplacement
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You can lose your bases and get your men back alive or you can lose your bases and get your men back in pieces.  The boxer understands the reality of this fight.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:49 | 4567028 hot sauce technician
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Who cares what he does for a living? Common sense is common sense, even if it comes from a horse. Crimea isn't justification enough for the Ukrainians to get into a bloody confrontation with a more numerous and powerful foe that is Russia. Ukrainians' liberty isn't at stake, nor is this some "holy" land. It just might be rich in some natural resources. Nothing worth dying for.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:13 | 4566915 johny2
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Nulland will be furious these soldiers surrendered peacefully.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:14 | 4566916 rsnoble
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This should give McCain a heart attack. I hope.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:22 | 4567037 GetZeeGold
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Chief wacko bird.....and so so fighter pilot.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:05 | 4567326 mccvilb
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Are you talkin'about our Reverse Ace? He crashed so many planes the Navy wouldn't let him near anything faster than a trainer.

http://www.gatheringspot.net/topic/political-activismcover-ups/mccains-n...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:14 | 4566917 New_Meat
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"But an hour later, Ukrainian servicemen, unarmed and in civilian clothing, began walking out of the headquarters. As NBC added, "about a dozen Ukrainian servicemen were later pictured being led out of the base."

You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

- Ned

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:15 | 4566919 Rakshas
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How many casualties in Crimea so far?? The Coward in Chief double taps a Yemeni village market before tee off and then the little man minge has the gall to lecture The Putin ......... fucktard.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:20 | 4566930 greatbeard
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>> How many casualties in Crimea so far?

Ours (US)? None.  Good.  How many US soldiers would you like to see dead over there?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:43 | 4567008 Rakshas
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Is this a riddle, like if a plane crashes on the border of mexico and texas where do they bury the survivors?? 

Ok, lets assume ya wanna play lets bitch slap the jamtart - using the if a tree falls in the forest and there's nobody there to hear it does it make a sound meme - the answer to your question is None since there will be no US personnel there to catch a bullet in the first place nor should there ever be at the behest of the Murder Inc or if you prefer War Criminals-R-US. The blood of American men and women in uniform should never be spilled on any of these lands............ period. 

However should American, British, French - I know right but maybe they grew up in Quebec - Canadian or Austrailian personnel find themselve taking up arms in the Ukraine or Crimea  then you pays your money and takes your chances - in that event and in defence of thier homeland the defenders would be within reasonable rights to kill all that come until they come no more.

That tired meme of we have to fight them over there or we will be fighting them here doesn't wash unless you are a North American Native  person.  

So how about you, you got anybody you love you're willing to send ? I think it can be said of all wars - the wrong people end up dying......

 

 

A little reminder of a land that fought back but the wrong people died....

http://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm

 

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:49 | 4567027 TheReplacement
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How many would otherwise become corrupt or thuggish cops?  Just send those.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:18 | 4566925 Dr. Engali
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President Zero responds with a note warning Putin if he keeps it up Zero is going to get really mad and send the Wookie over to spend some special time with him.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:19 | 4566926 XAU XAG
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I think Europe should join Russia.................all would be sorted

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:29 | 4566960 Ghordius
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actually, the unspoken clear and present danger is that eventually Russia joins the EU. you know, that "thing" that everybody talks about yet so few understand

harsh words for Klitschko... would it be preferrable if he was calling for a defence of every inch?

in all this Putin-mania lots of people just like to forget that the biggest polarizing issue between Ukrainian nationals was language

and that when you speak Russian, a Ukrainian speaker understands 80%-90%, and vice versa

add to that the fact that of the two nations is considered the mother culture of the other...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:40 | 4566994 johny2
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That is the grand idea, make Russia another vasal state governed by the carrer politicians and owned by a small group of people. 

The biggest polarizing issue is the impending bancruptcy of the Ukraine that is product of the carefull and longterm work of the small group mentioned above, who would like it very much if the ukrainians and russians forget all they have in common.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:53 | 4567014 Ghordius
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this is the kind of comment that makes me think akak was right. which carreer politicians? our national ones or our EU ones? remember that it's the first group that commands our military forces, collects our taxes, spends most of them, etc. etc.     you know shit about the EU, don't you?

and speaking about "being owned by a small group of people"... you heard about Russian oligarchs, didn't you?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:54 | 4567043 johny2
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I know a lot and when I write or speak, I consider and acknowledge it all.

In your case, you know even more, only you are working as a typical propaganda tool, and leave out various details (even though you are well aware of them) just so you can spread propaganda you are working on.

 

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:24 | 4567169 Ghordius
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ad-hom reply to ad-hom comment. fair enough. now go back to my comment and answer: what about Russia and it's oligarchs? not a small group that owns the nation? then answer this: if I am spreading propaganda... which side am I on?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:47 | 4567316 johny2
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consider pyramid.

the russian oligarchs are high near the top, with their share of the population and land ruled by them. about the same level are their counterparts in EU, USA, China etc. They all know that to get higher, they have to use one of their fellows as a stepping stone. it is the usual ones making a move going eastwards. Higher above them on the same pyramid is another group who will do anything to divide and rule these bellow them.

Answer to your 3rd question: you support eu while others support usa, russia, china etc. On which side you are, is something you have to ask yourself

 

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 12:25 | 4568059 Ghordius
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ok, at least you don't claim there is one hidden group steering all the other, as some solipsists here do

if I was a supporter of the EU (28 members) then my avatar would look differently. I support the other club, which has only 18 members, whereas the vociferous federalist supporters of the EU often claim that the smaller club is a danger for the bigger one

it's roughly like the difference between marriage and co-habitation, between a wife and a girlfriend

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 15:53 | 4569195 johny2
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Read again please. I do claim that there is a group on the level above the oligarchs in various blocks.

IF you are just honestly supporting unity out of desire for a better world, and believe claims like above are without a ground, you are just a smart and idealistic person who has a lot to learn yet.

thanks for your time.

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:54 | 4567046 overmedicatedun...
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GHORDIUS? is that you, your last post  "Duh, you know shit about eu" I always enjoyed your posts as well written insightful and backed by great facts...this last posts leads me to think you are not YOU..who the fuck is it posting for you?? nothing about that post has any similarity to your writing style..who or what has taken over your identity??

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:21 | 4567149 Ghordius
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if you go back, you'll notice that I do allow myself some swearing, from time to time. and I am having a bad, ill-tempered week. honestly, how many times do I have to repeat a few of my core messages?

I am sick of this EU this, EU that... and it's always exactly what is not wrong about the EU, leaving out what is bad about it completely unmentioned

now look at this crowd. and their comments. did you notice something, lately?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:55 | 4567284 Element
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Now Ghordius, you also are a great candidate to apply to zh for contributor status and get this off your chest in a structured way, once and for all.

Right? How about it, no more whingeing and potty mouth, write it down and let's have it.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 12:27 | 4568068 Ghordius
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damn. this is a very kind compliment, old bean. I'll think about

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:42 | 4567003 XAU XAG
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actually, the unspoken clear and present danger is that eventually Russia joins the EU. you know,

 

Why present "danger"

Would be good for europe No?

 

And I think it would be the other way round

EU-Joins Russia

THE US/EU SAND PIT IS GETTING FAR TO MUCH USA PISS IN IT!



Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:50 | 4567031 Ghordius
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just imagine for a moment what lobbyists of the US MIC would have to say to that. then blink

not long ago Niall Ferguson compared China and America to a dutiful husband and a spendthrift blonde wife

in fact, beautiful America has currently two husbands. the old one and the new one

and Catherine the Great Number Two could become the new weapon-toting wife to one of them. the question is... which one?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:13 | 4567360 Element
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Get a divorce, you are a battered spouse, face it.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 12:31 | 4568092 Ghordius
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eh... it's demeaning to go around and say: look at my beautiful and beloved wife, she shoots straight, chews tobacco, spends like a sailor on shore leave... and spies on me and batters me

and the Old World does have a longer memory. we have not forgotten the great parts of this long alliance. I know, sentimental

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:19 | 4566927 Uncle Remus
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."More appeasement of Putin: will it result in the annexation of east Ukraine? Surely. The only question is when."

Interesting parting shot there Tylers.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:32 | 4566971 XAU XAG
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The way the Euro is going

 

Euro countries will be begging to join...............Russia

 

Supprised the Greeks have not gone that route

And even more suprised Cyprus............did not

 

May have saved them a Haircut or 2

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:44 | 4567010 Kaiser Sousa
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"Supprised the Greeks have not gone that route...And even more suprised Cyprus............did not"

old Pimp proverb says, "hoes will be hoes...."

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:03 | 4567077 Ifigenia
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US would impose a condition, the marriage between EU and Russia would be made with the extension of US military bases and nuclears arms stationed in Russia to protect the new coule from Afganistan

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:19 | 4566928 Snidley Whipsnae
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Here is a video with one point of view of what is happening in the Ukraine....

http://usawatchdog.com/collapse-and-systemic-failure-at-all-levels-comin...

And an audio with a totally different take...

http://financialsurvivalnetwork.com/2014/03/max-yemets-an-insiders-view-...

Who ya gonna believe? Orlov is from Russia and is currently living in the US and has the popular Club Orlov blog. Yemets... I  never heard of before this posting at FSN.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:26 | 4566949 Uncle Remus
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Having read Orlov's "Reinventing Collapse" and noting we're (the US) still on task, I'd say advantage Orlov.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:40 | 4566998 kridkrid
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When the US collapses, the world collapses with it. But it won't get quite that far. It's not like the powers that be don't recognize that the collapse is coming. They've always known it. It's just math, really. We will have WWIII, some forced depopulation, and then some sort of reset on the other side. If we use history as a guide, we are something like 5 years into the Great Depression. So put us in the mid-1930s. The next 10-12 years will suck. Then we get to rebuild. The winner of WWIII gets to decide what the monetary system will be.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:05 | 4567324 OceanX
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I prefer this guys version:  http://philosophyofmetrics.com/2014/03/11/sdrs-and-the-new-bretton-woods...

 

Nine part essay, long but good read.  Links to parts 1 - 8 at the bottom.  Naturally, it is best to start at the beginning...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:22 | 4567410 Bearwagon
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I am with Einstein on this: The "winner" of WWIII will use flintstone as money, and even that only in the more distant future ....

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:23 | 4566941 Black Hand
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In 1991 the EU simply declared that Yugoslavia was a failed state in the process of disintegration. It then demanded referenda and recognised new ex-Yugo states as soverign over territories which were really nothing more than administrative boundaries.  Russia should follow this lead and declare that the former Ukraine is in the process of disintegration and it should organise referenda in its constituent districts to decide on their future status. Realistically this means referenda in the south and east. 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:34 | 4566975 Ghordius
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1991 Yugoslavia? there, the EU did nothing. for the simple fact that France, the UK, Germany, Russia and others started to get all emotional about their historic allies

some siding with Serbia, others with Croatia and nobody for the religious minorities

as usual, all talk about the EU and nearly nobody understands what it is

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:42 | 4567004 johny2
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Germany giving ultimatum to UK over recognition of Croatia is something. And there is quite a lot of other somethings they did. 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:52 | 4567036 ThirdWorldDude
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You're right Ghordo. Not only EU, but also UN smurfs (nickname for UNPROFOR blue helmets) did nothing. They just stood there and watched as women and children were slaughtered in front of them...

http://srebrenicamassacre1995.wordpress.com/tag/dutch-state/

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:01 | 4567065 johny2
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Hillary Clinton personaly dogged bullets on the airport, according to her words. And they really needed something to make case for action in Bosnia, same sa they needed something to happen in USA to make people ready to follow without questions asked.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:24 | 4567161 Uncle Remus
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We might not perceive the EU as you do, but clearly, their actions (or lack thereof) speak for themselves. From the US perspective, you get fucked in the ass with an accent and by more unelected officials.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:56 | 4567049 hot sauce technician
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I say let Russia do whatever it wants as long as its actions don't deteriorate into the trampling of liberties, perpetration of war crimes or genocide. If this is just some chess match between the west and the kremlin then let Putin have his fun.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 13:18 | 4568333 headhunt
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You do know Putin is a communist?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:23 | 4566942 vyeung
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If they stormed it, I doubt that no shots were fired. More like they walked in and asked for the keys as it is now a part of Russia. Love the Western reporting and shit stirring. Is the frigging state department that dense to thick that people cannot find rounded coverage to connect the dots. Your pony tricks are over.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:23 | 4566943 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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They're coming for Alaska, then Canada ...

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 13:17 | 4568328 headhunt
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We are not the Ukraine - lots of Russian blood in that one

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:23 | 4566945 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Alaska used to be theirs, too, bitchez.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:26 | 4566951 Uncle Remus
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I am sure there's a bill of sale somewhere in Vichy DC.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:27 | 4566954 smacker
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"... further evidence of just how seriously Putin and Russian generals take any attempts by Ukraine to "defend" itself."

 

Tyler, this is not quite right. Crimea is now part of the Russian Federation, not part of Ukraine, so there can be no case of Ukraine defending itself.

It makes sense for the Russians not to allow Ukraine troops and military bases in Crimea, especially since the unelected, fascist-thug Ukraine puppet govt has not accepted the referendum results of the Crimean people who expressed their right to self-determination.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:42 | 4567002 Ghordius
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the annexation has not been widely recognized yet, ergo for Ukraine it's Ukrainian, and for Russia it's Russian

see Northern Cyprus, a republic that is recognized by Turkey... and nobody else

meanwhile, you haven't even given time for the "unelected, fascist-thug" Ukraine "puppet gov" to have elections

and the referendum? how disputable is it? having been done in lightning time after an invasion of gunmen not wearing insignia? is this your ideal of a referendum on important matters? how about public debate?

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:18 | 4567137 shovelhead
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I don't think Putin wants to wait 10 years while the boys in Brussels have lunch and discuss.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:28 | 4567188 Ghordius
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what an argument for the lulz and yet a good vehicle for the old meme about referenda in europe... the boys in Brussels have no power of calling for referenda. 'cause they are national matters

anytime ready for a serious discussion about referenda. for example the two Irish ones

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:46 | 4567265 shovelhead
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You used the word referenda. At some point in time the EU-pile is going to vote to accept or reject the defacto joining of the Crimea to the Russian state.

My point being that Putin cares not a whit because it's a done deal.

What will the EU do? Send in the Euro-marines?

Good luck with that.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:40 | 4567232 smacker
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BWAAAH!

Whatever the lying US, UK, French governments and other assorted talking heads in Western MSM say, it remains an irrefutable fact that the people of Crimea exercised their right to self-determination in a referendum which achieved 96%+ support to rejoin Russia. I'm not aware of any credible reports of pressure or coercion having been applied. End of. Game over. All Putin has done is to recognise their decision.

The alternative for Crimea was to remain part of the 'new' Ukraine, now run by an unelected, self-appointed, fascist Kiev thug government which had already outlawed the Russian language. All this garbage is actively supported by the likes of the unelected EU-crats...Barroso et al. Who the hell gave him the power to interfere in the domestic affairs of another nation?? Answer: nobody. He needs throwing out of office.

Given these circumstances, which option would you choose??

That said, I am no particular supporter of Putin but at least in this case he is conducting himself with due caution and respect. The West most certainly is NOT.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 12:55 | 4568209 Ghordius
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"I'm not aware of any credible reports of pressure or coercion having been applied"

no credible reports because there were no reporters and no time and no external witnesses (ok, some refused to go there)

"...in the 'new' Ukraine, now run by an unelected, self-appointed, fascist Kiev thug government..."

wait a moment. there is the Ukrainian Parliament left, with 400-something elected MPs. this government is appointed by them

"...which had already outlawed the Russian language"

here I agree with you, this is bad. Not something that has not been done several times by the UK, by France, etc. yet yes, bad

yet from there to the full support of an invasion? I find it slightly too much. there is plenty of blame to go around for all

Barroso's power? He is an appointee of the EU Council, i.e. of 28 governments, confirmed by the elected EU parliament. and he is talking (rubbish) not invading countries

and military invasions - even when "justified" - can't be called cautios and respectful in my book. If all this goes well, I'm ready to applaud Putin, yet it still has to finish somehow

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 14:32 | 4568743 smacker
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You're pulling my leg.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 04:25 | 4571452 Ghordius
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this is not my intent. and I feel that you have a very, very partial and partisan look at those things. doing "the right thing" is a political stance. we might be both doing the right thing and still have a fight or a war. history is full of those cases

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:59 | 4571581 smacker
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Well, let me take one of your assertions: you say Barroso was appointed by the EU Council of Ministers.

Are you aware that the CoM meetings essentially go on in secret and NO minutes are ever published? Citizens in member states have no idea what the agendas are, what gets discussed or who said what at any meeting. And exactly who nominated Barroso in the first place? After all, he was a hated politician in his home country and has an undisputed history of being a Commie Maoist. A nutter? Yes, I think so. Suitable to be the unelected President of the EU Commission? I don't think so.

Barroso's democractic credentials amount to zilch. Yet he and his cronies and several other political leaders in the EU were involved in the coup which overthrew Ukraine's elected President. And we know why: because he turned his back on the EU in favour of aligning Ukraine with Russia.

One active member of the revolution in Kiev is on record saying that he saw about 60 Americans, 40 Germans and some Turks and Poles stirring up violence and revolution in Kiev. There is no serious doubt that the EU was behind so much of it, accompanied by the USG and UKG. But of course all this has been carefully airbrushed from history by the Western MSM Daily Slime.

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:29 | 4567450 Bearwagon
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Public debate would have been a good thing. But it is to late. I do not know if you regard that as the sort of harassment I do, but time is running up for Ukraine: The IMF has threatened them with an absolutely deadly program. There's immediate need for action, faced with such an overwhelming menace!

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:28 | 4566957 savagegoose
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these leaders ned to lead. from the front, ie get their asses to the front and  grab an AK and start shooting russians. anything less is only going to provoke walk offs from the field.  no one dies for a n armchair  general. especially  with these heroic odds.

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:34 | 4566980 Independent
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What cracks me up are the videos of their ragtag new Ukraine army.  Where the heck is the old Ukraine army, looks like they all walked off the field like these guys leaving this base.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:29 | 4566961 Kaiser Sousa
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silly Ukranians...

tricks r for "Tricks"....as in HOES....

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:33 | 4566977 Cangaroo.TNT
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That reminds me of the scene from Stripes when the Americans in the back of the truck start handing over their weapons.  Tried to find it on You Tube, but couldn't.  meh.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:33 | 4566978 sudzee
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Russia and China can do anything they want. US$ is no longer backed by murder, extortion and fraud. Death of the dollar is neigh.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:40 | 4566999 adonisdemilo
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I think Klitschco has just realised he's been played for a fool by the Nazi's.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 08:58 | 4567054 headhunt
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Klitschko is smart enough to understand that if he removes his troops from the Crimean peninsula he has additional troops to help fight a Russian invasion or he could leave them in place to be killed when Putin moves into the Ukraine.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:03 | 4567078 Whoa Dammit
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If the Ukrainain servicemen have homes and family in the Ukraine, they were probably too afraid of their current leaders too just quit and go home. The Ukrainain leadership obviously cares nothing for its people since it made its servicemen stay in Crimea. But the Ukraine leaders sure do love money.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:19 | 4567117 WhyWait
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"More appeasement of Putin: will it result in the annexation of east Ukraine? Surely."

Tyler, are you Schizo?  Or are you starting to catch Jingo Fever?  'Cause that's the language of war propaganda creeping into your reports.

The Empire's Ukraine moves, which are clearly aimed at subduing or breaking Russia, are forcing open Pandora's Box.  This in a region seething with historic tensions, old and recent grievances and social conflicts. Yesterday's action on Syria suggest it's preparing another move on that front - and the statement by Romania's leader that I posted yesterday hints at Georgia being brought back into play. The resulting geo-politico-social meltdown - compounded with the economic chaos that it will surely trigger - will be beyond the Empire's ability to control.   

It's not just red lines that are being crossed.  It's tipping points.

We - the American (and British) public - managed to stop one catastrophic war based on lies last year.  Can we do it again? Not if we let ourselves catch Jingo Fever! 

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:28 | 4567189 shovelhead
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My son used to think like that.

He said if you talk about the boogyman in the closet it makes him show up.

He might have been right but I never saw him.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:19 | 4567140 HerrDoktor
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it's about time

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:33 | 4567207 no1wonder
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Deputies of the Ukranian Parliament from the neo-nazi/ultra-national "Svoboda" party threaten, beat up and force to write and sign a resignation letter the head of a national Ukraninan TV channel accusing him of being pro-Russian.

Youtube link   -  published Mar 18, 2014

(watch starting from 4:30)

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:45 | 4567253 Alex Lionson
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Well it fully conforms the European free speech norms anyway, as Europe unconditionally supports the new power in Kiev.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:54 | 4567287 shovelhead
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Can't get anymore Democratic than that.

Eric Holder approves.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:37 | 4567217 Rising Sun
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Russians invade some "don't fucking care" place while China is on the verge of collapse with no MSM coverage.

 

SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:17 | 4567375 shovelhead
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Dude, get with the program.

If it bleeds, it leads.

Some rich guy in China loses his money...pfffft...Big deal.

When a million Chinese storm the Central Committee building...

You got news.

 

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 09:58 | 4567290 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Keep in mind that this took place the day after the Ukraine military authorized its forces to use weapons to defend themselves if attacked. Considering that they did not do that is only further evidence of just how seriously Putin and Russian generals take any attempts by Ukraine to "defend" itself."...

To the filters at NBC and Reuters. 

You somehow forgot to mention the euphoria of nationalism we witnessed with that vote in Crimea on Sunday and the speech that Putin delivered to the people of Russia and Ukraine yesterday. Like the Admiral that headed the Ukrainian Navy more than a week ago that announced his "mutiny" from a rabid government of armed thugs, the rest of Ukraine military is eagerly volunteering their resignations from the Country that they never supported and was hijacked through a coup.  We (the Langley. Tel Aviv MI6  intelligence factory) pushed Russians and Ukrainians into each others arms -literally.

Can you say lost the mission entirely?...  Can you say "blowback" you never saw coming because you are incompetent and in a state of total denial on the crisis you've created for yourself 13 years and counting of failure with no end in sight!

Expect many more defections from Ukraine to Russia to the point where the Western region of the Country throws out it's "welcome mat" to the referendum just signed with Crimea because it has no money left that it was promised after being looted by hooligans and is cold, tired, hungry and wants a place of comfort with it's neighbor to be left alone!

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 10:56 | 4567538 tony wilson
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people of kiev eye jewish klitschco do hubbly emplough you do not beliefs these lfilthy iies.

are forces are winning every day.

these foto are is a  fakery do not mock the spinal column of the ukrainian nazi it is as strong and solid as a strong and solid thing.

poland is ready we are paying you 30 us nuland soros dollars a week stand firm do not move do not allow putin to give you his inches.

stand filrm for der volk for der farderland for nazis everywhere.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 11:30 | 4567766 moneybots
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"UKRAINE GOVT SHOULD WITHDRAW TROOPS FROM CRIMEA, KLITSCHKO SAYS

More appeasement of Putin: will it result in the annexation of east Ukraine? Surely. The only question is when."

 

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.  Ukraine does not have the means to stop Russia militarily.

Wed, 03/19/2014 - 12:00 | 4567940 Itchy and Scratchy
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TKO

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