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Serfs Up – Average Healthcare Premiums Have Soared 39%-56% Post Obamacare
Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
It’s been a couple months since I last updated readers on the epic disaster that is Obamacare. In case you need a refresher, here is the last article I published on the law: Computer Security Expert Claims he Hacked the ObamaCare Website in 4 Minutes.
Moving along, we now have some details on the average premium increase for non-Obamacare health plans following the implementation of the law, and the results are not pretty. According to a cost report from eHealthInsurance, premiums have increased by between 39%-56%.
More from The Washington Examiner:
Americans buying health insurance outside the new Obamacare exchanges are being forced to swallow premiums up to 56 percent higher than before the health law took effect because insurers have jumped the cost to cover all the added features of the new Affordable Care Act.
According to a cost report from eHealthInsurance, a nationwide online private insurance exchange, families are paying an average of $663 a month and singles $274 a month, far more than before Obamacare kicked in. What’s more, to save money, most buyers are choosing the lowest level of coverage, the so-called “bronze” plans.
In California, for example, some families are paying a high of $2,604 a month and in New York, $1,845.
His firm’s price index also gives an average age for singles buying plans, and the results are worrying for insurers and the Obama administration. That’s because the average age is 36, older than the administration had hoped for.
The demographic issue is a huge ticking time bomb, something I previously highlighted in my piece: Humana Warns of “‘Adverse ObamaCare Enrollment Mix.”
Moving along, while we are well aware of the financial disaster Obamacare represents for those not participating, what about those who are in (or at least think they are in) the program?
Let’s look at the story of one Las Vegas man who paid his Obamacare premiums since November yet remains uncovered and now has a $407,000 hospital bill nobody is covering.
From the Review Journal:
The hospital bills are hitting Larry Basich’s mailbox.
That would be OK if Basich had health insurance. But he doesn’t.
Thing is, he should be covered. Basich, 62, bought a plan through the state’s Nevada Health Link insurance exchange in the fall. He’s been paying monthly premiums since November.
Yet the Las Vegan is stranded in a no-man’s-land where no carrier claims him, and his tab is mounting: Basich owes $407,000 for care received in January and February, when his policy was supposed to be in effect. Instead, he’s covered only for March and beyond.
Basich has begged for weeks for help from the exchange and its contractor, Xerox. But Basich’s insurance broker said Xerox seems more interested in lawyering up and covering its hide than in working out Basich’s problems. Nor is Basich the only client facing plan-selection errors through the exchange, she added.
Weeks ticked by, but Basich received nothing to confirm he had insurance. Nevada Health Link kept telling him he was enrolled, but UnitedHealthcare said he wasn’t in their system.
Basich’s predicament went critical on Dec. 31, when he had a heart attack. His treatment, which included a triple bypass on Jan. 3, resulted in $407,000 in medical bills in January and February that no insurer is covering.
Though Basich’s problem is exceptional for its dollar value, his situation is not unusual, Burch said. She estimates that of nearly 200 Branch Benefits Consultants client sign ups via Nevada Health Link, only 5 percent have gone through problem-free. More than 20 customers have the same plan-selection issue as Basich. One gave up trying to fix it and is sticking with the plan the exchange put her in.
Serfs up suckers!
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Change, bitchez!
And premiums for the ObamaCare Scam are about to triple...
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/201136-obamacare-premiums-are-about-to-skyrocket
according to bachman turner overdrive....you aint seen nothing yet....
Healthcare Insurance has always been expensive, but now we can expect even higher premiums.
In this economy it will hurt alot more.
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Welcome to our signature achievement.
We are getting more and MOAR exceptional… What the fuck is happening to our country?
Looney
Blue Cross Blue Shield went up for us about 15% about 5 months ago.
We are expecting a hike of 20% very soon, total approximate hike: 38% in one year! "We are about 60." Our typical insurance hikes were typically 13% - 15% in one year.
Much higher Deductibles too.
If they're gonna go all socialist, then they might as well go full-bore and also impose wage & price control on meds, test, doctors and hospitals.
But that wouldn't suit Wall St. or the bank's FRB, now would it? They both need ever-increasing investment and debt levels, don't they, as the ONLY way to keep the fiat-Dollar Ponzi going.
go here and see the deductable....... it's a killer.
no wonder that guy had a heart attack
from ZH
Obamacare CalculatorIf you want to do your own research, the Kaiser Family Foundation has a handy calculator that lets you enter your age, state and income level, and get an estimate for the monthly cost of enrollment.
It's NOT the MONTHLY PREMIUMS that are the main problem.
It's the ANNUAL DEDUCTIBLE that will be the mind bomb for most enrollees. The premiums are the monthly fixed payment made each month, and even assuming ZeroCare was running smoothly (which it isn't, of course), the deductibles on most single plans for silver coverage are around $6,600 per year, and $12,000 to $18,000 for family deductibles. This is for the mid level coverage (silver).
In other words, multiply the monthly fixed premium by 12 (12 months), and then subtract that from the ANNUAL DEDUCTIBLE, and that will be the REMAINING CASH GAP DUE before anyone under a single plan or family plan received a dime of "insurance coverage."
So, if a family deductible under a ZeroCare plan is $14,500 annually, that family is going to be paying 100% out of pocket for ANY medical care unless and until they have expended $14,500 out of pocket, including monthly premiums paid, IN EVERY AND EACH CALENDAR YEAR, before the somewhat awful reimbursement levels of ZeroCare START TO KICK IN. If their monthly premiums are $600, and it's May, they've only paid $3,000 of their $14,500 annual deductible. They would have had to pay the full $14,500 to be able to receive ZeroCare payment or reimbursement for any medical care/procedures.
And as far as tax subsidies are concerned, any single ZeroCare enrollees get NO subsidies whatsoever if they earn a gross income of $31,700 or more per year, and few if any families will receive any subsidies/credits whatsoever if their total household income is greater than roughly $47,000 (based on research done by The Kaiser Family Foundation, a non-partisan entity that has a website where one can plug all the figures into their calculator).
People are upset now, given the botched administration & roll out of this disaster, and the cost of the monthly premiums.
Just wait until they discover what their out of pocket deductibles are prior to being able to receive 1 penny of actual "coverage."
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LITERALLY LET THE HEALTH CARE INSURERS & PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES DRAFT THE "AFFORDABLE'CARE ACT."
It's going to be an EPIC, HISTORICAL DISASTER.
+14,500...disaster barely scratches the surface of this monstrosity. It will fail, in spectacular fashion, and as intended. Eventually .Gov, the NSA, etc. will have you nailed from cradle to grave, nose to colon, and everything in-between, just as they want it. It will take a tidal-wave of dissent to remove the yokes and the chances of that are pretty slim given the brain-washing in place in everyday life. I do not look forward to the future given today's environment.
I am on crappy smart phone now so forgive grammar/spelling.
Think about this -
How many young people can afford to pay $200 to $300 per month for just the premium, with annual deductible of $6,800 approx?
IOW, if a 28 year old has paid his/her premium of $250 per month for silver coverage through May, and then has a medical problem, they've only paid $1,250 of $6,800 annual deductible, meaning they could get whacked with a one time bill of as much as $5,550 cash due, and then, only be reimbursed thereafter at certain percentages for further medical care for the rest of the 7 months of the year.
Anyone know what old people taste like? Is the meat hard?
Check your numbers Sunshine.
One of us is misinterpreting the costs.
Plan A: premium + deductable = gross annual cost
(the deductable does NOT include the premuim)
or
Plan B: deductable - premium = gross annual cost
(the deductable does include the premuim)
Which is it?
I have always loved truth so passionately that I have often resorted to lying as a way of introducing it into the minds which were ignorant of its charms.
Giacomo Casanova
Where oh where have the Obamacare cheerleaders gone?
Oh where oh where could they be?
Embrace the doom bitchez!
I might be wrong (ask my ex-wife), but I didn't think premiums counted against the deductible.
I thought they did, but it wouldn't shock me if not.
You are not wrong, ex-wife to the contrary :) The premiums must be paid just to have the privilege of paying the deductible before your plan kicks in with 70-80% of coverage, leaving you with 20-30% of the bill. Apply that to the guy in Nevada, and a $6800 deductible plus (rounding) 20% of $410k leaves him with bills of $88,800 to pay out of pocket. Then add the fact that his heart attack came at the end of December, and he's now into the next year's deductible. Add another $6800 onto his tab for a nice January total of $95,400. And that's not including his premium payments.
Why bother with insurance ? The guy will never pay the $88k and counting with follow-up care adding more $$. He'll have another heart attack when he gets his bill WITH insurance applied.
damn. If I still lived in the USSA, I'd join the FSA. Once these premiums kick in, you won't have a choice. Goodbye middle class, goodbye small business, goodbye workers. Forward USSA!
I said it before and I'm more convinced than ever: real people are going to start DYING because of Obamacare
Oh, and Xerox being in the middle of this I.T. disaster doesn't surprise me at all. They're WORSE than that stuid Canadian political patronage company that fucked up the federal exchange.
Me? Well, when my wife's company finally gets smart and dumps health coverage (which the whole family is on) I'm not buying a policy untill somebody gets deathly ill or injured. Can't be turned down for a pre-existing condition and you don't have to pay the fine because it can only be taken from your refund (which I never have) plus next year's tax form will have a handy "get out of paying the penalty" box that you can check off for a "hardship" situation (without verification by the IRS). Done and done.
Yup. Just another Great Leap Forward/5 Point Plan/Great Society.
Don't look to Vegas for an answer. Xerox runs all of MGM's IT...
We use Black Cross Gold Shield, because it is the cheapest available. We never use it anyway.
mine hasn't went up at all-hehe...
And exactly how in the fuck a 15% yoy increase is OK? This shot is going super-critical in a hurry.
I used to work for BCBSFL a few years ago. They lobbied and made damn sure they would be fine. My friends that are still there are super stressed and say that it sucks to work there even as the salaries and bonuses have never been larger.
Welcome to the new normal bitchez.
What country? The Former USA?
"Ours?" Hardly. We are just tax livestock.
Everything government touches turns to crap.
- Ringo Starr
Unfortunately only about one in a hundred understands that.
Be charitable! My guess would be around 5% - 8%.
"I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus's garden in the shade, but I have to work two part-time jobs to pay for health insurance."
Let's see: If "Octo" in Octopussy means "eight", then you'd like to be in the garden of eight... ?
How about a Hexapussy's Garden, so you can rest on the seventh day? ;-)
You're probably right.
Some people may understand it but still want government.
Michelle, ma belle...
-Paul McCartney
"Why does it hurt when I pee?
-Frank Zappa
"the insurance official"... lol
thehill.com = bogus
"Anecdotal!!!" —Jay Carney
You saying deductibles & premiums haven't skyrocketed? You sayin people have not been cancelled from policies they actually wanted, could afford and forced into higher policies?
It never ceases to fucking amaze me, lefties get their hands on something (anything) pass laws and regulate "for the good of the people" and are completely shocked that the crony-socialists on Wall Street and in the Senate have front-run the whole fucking deal and stuck YOU with the bill.
It doesn't matter if its "green energy" or "financial reform" or "affordable health care".
They're a fucking menace to society.
lefties or righties. it's the nature of the campaign contribution laws, imo.
i'm not convinced the "righties" did a grand job with abortion, drug or gay sex regulation, as examples. vietnam, iraq and afghanistan were initially the work of "righties" and not miracles of execution either.
both national parties in the u.s. are corrupt, probably beyond salvation.
The only thing in your post that caught my attention was 'execution'.
All for it, let's line the politicians up.
So the "affordable healthcare act is not affordable"... not surprised here. It's almost as though the government is purposly trying to bankrupt everyone in preparation for the big financial reset button is hit - makes sense to me. Mandate healthcare you know people can't afford, but label it affordable to fool them... and keep squeezing the sponge until every last bit of fiat can be extracted and once everyone is broke, hungry and angry hit the reset button tell them all "if you go along with OUR PLAN we will wipe the slate clean and start over"... it's a lot easier to procure compliance from those who have nothing left to lose with a new plan than it is with those who have a lot to lose when the reset button is hit. Obamacare isn't about affordable healthcare for everyone, it's about paving the way for the NWO.
Affordable Care Act (ACH).... Now there's a Contridiction in Terms!!!
All you Dumb-Fucks that wanted free Health Care I hope your happy?
Don't blame me. I didn't vote for Obama and his shit policies.
Me either, but more people here at ZH did than they are admitting..............................................
If I knew that Zero would do such a good job... driving american youth to discover minarchism and anarchism, increasing gun ownership, and making lazy, self indulgent progressives feel like they just got lubed and raped by their dirty old uncle, I might have voted for him. 2 1/2 more years to hasten the end of Zio-Socialism in this country. Keep golfing you ignorant, degenerate fuck.
What makes you think this ends when a new resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is elected? Things are bad. They are getting worse and will continue to worsen no matter who gets the nod.
You didn't have to vote for his policies... they were rammed through by executive order w/o anyone else's consent - over a thousand times now and counting.
"If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance."
if you like your debt slavery, you can keep your debt slavery.
ONE of the above statements is true. Guess!
Or Obummer's favorite,if you like that dick up your ass you can keep that dick up your ass.
Premium talk misses the entire issue. The issue in america iswhy does it cost $407,000 for heart surgery. Obamacare is an argument about who pays the bill.The problem is the bill itself. Fuck the entire healthcare/pharma and insurance industry
+1
Nice try on the Strawman, Berspankme, but no one is buying your shit...
Not a strawman Murf. Until we get the cost out of this monopolized monstrosity of a sick care system, the rest is meaningless talk. The bloated hospitals, pharma companies and entire medical complex created this disaster. 90% of healthcare shouldn't even require insurance payments. Watch the prices fall.
for not the first time, u.s. healthcare costs at least twice that of all other advanced economies and gets worse results, on average.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/03/26/21-graphs-tha... for starters.
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The bloated hospitals, pharma companies and entire medical complex created this disaster.
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Nay, you can blame LBJ and Medicare/Medicaid for skyrocketing costs! Like any other Govt subsidy, you get more of what you subsidize. In this instance, the Govt is subsidizing sick people (that have no way of paying their fair share!)
Someone's gotta pay their way, guess who?
Simple. Government doing what it does best...fucking things up by stifling competition with onerous regulation. Why are computers, bewb jawbs, cell phones, and Lasik, so cheap?
You have my vote sir.
Change plan: Get out of Wall Street, close down all IRAs,etc., liquidate all accounts to cash.
Buy PM ( sucker play? Well not in long run, right?) Or buy farm you can work on...some hard asset. Even lots of lead products. Bricks of .22LR?
Deplete your checking account down to under 3k.
Be prepared just like the major religions say to be. History is full of times (Venezula, Chile, Mexico, Ukraine, etc.) when people had wished they were prepared. At least have 90 days worth of food and water. Not that hard to do...IF you study it.
Be ready to defend. Those Korean store owners with guns on their roofs? Oh yeah they KEPT their stores. Do people riot? See the above countries.
Drop out...of owning TV and cable.
Start to grow just some of your own food. Get some chickens. Make your own beer. Expensive at first...but not for long.
THEN become a taker! Yep, sign up for all the free stuff. "Poor" people get all kinds of good stuff if you can play the game. Just ask! People will share how to work the system.
Do all your work OFF the books and join the black market.
Buy used whenever you can and when it makes sense.
Stop paying your mortgage IF you are knowledgable enough to know how to fight an illegal foreclosure and you have the time. What else pays as well as fucking over the banksters? Oh, this takes real balls too. In my home for just taxes and insurance as the bank is on the run. I shit you not. Oh I do maintain the home of course.
I have no debt so this was pretty easy...
In this way we can bring the current system of corruption down.
Captain Obvious, aka, hypocrite bitch in action!
I work the Information Security market ... these people think off the books is right up there with Satanic Invocation.
You mean a punk, gay thug communtiy organizer from Shitcago and his cronies couldn't solve a problem? Shocked I tell you
Obama honeybadger don't care. He is busy working on his next big project, WW3.
That should take care of Odumbercare.
How can you equate Obama with the fearless, tenacious, honeybadger? Quit insulting honeybadgers dammit!!
How does one word that on a resume?
Bullish!
Governments love boondoggles.
Worse than painful rectal itch.
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/201136-obamacare-premiums-are-about-to-skyrocket
If you like bankruptcy you can keep your plan
I am so shocked by this.
Future unperson right there
Obamacare has added ten percent more patients to my schedule. It is no shittier than any other insurance I accept.
They are all silver plan and above and heavily subsidized. Most pay 50 bucks a month or less. This population is just a few hundred dollars a year higher income than would qualify for medicaid. Their copay for meds is just a couple of bucks
Just wait until they announce premiums for next year. It will be an average of 50 percent increase.
I have no idea where the money is going because they pay very little.
We are all serfs now.
It will be an average of 50 percent increase.
You must be an Optimist or you're short a zero. I think it's going to be a 500% increase.
They will try to hide the inflation by limiting portion sizes, smaller formularies, smaller physician panels, less access to specialists and tests and procedures.
I stand by the consensus estimate of only a 50 percent inflation in premiums.
Suck it up, bitchez.
Hedge funds and cheesepopes own the insurance industry
there is your answer
yup. And they own the government.
When will people learn.
Fuck ObozoCare. Just pay the fuckin fine - if you're due a refund on your taxes.
WTF is a "refund"?
Or lie to the question . Does everyone in your houshold have health insurance?
The government has a monopoly on alot of things but lying ain't one of them.
No more wasteful death panels. Go straight to gone.
Finally, enough of the Fed. Let's get back to what counts.
Get a goddamn job you losers. I never got nothin' from da government, i worked my entire goddamn life and I'm entitled to dis goddamn motorscooter you goddamn hippy socialists!
See my post below...
Long duct tape.
keep cool my babies.
this will self implode soon. very soon.
If so, it will be replaced by rolling everybody into Medicare.
Once the system gets going it's tough to stop.
It will be ten years or more if ever before medicare for all is seriously contemplated. Healthcare is 17 percent of the economy. There are too many powerful interests in favor of the status quo. Our conservative american culture won't advocate for it either.
It took a world war to get socialist healthcare in Europe, the land of starry eyed socialists.
No it won't.
We are in for many many years of tinkering around the edges. Higher premiums, more restrictive formularies, less access to specialists. Less access to tests and procedures.
We will end up with an expensive and inefficient individual market that is identical to medicaid.
We working serfs deserve no better than the nonworking serfs according to the socialists.
A good solution would have been for each state to design their own program exactly like RomneyCare and Hawaii had.
But, the US loves Big-Gov. The Red-Team loves manly Big-Gov, and Blue-Team loves motherly Big-Gov and - as a result - we only get Big-Gov. Can't expect the mommy people sit by while kick-ass daddy plays with all his Big-MIC socialist toys.
Oh well, too late now. Our parents should have thought about this after WW2. It's been nothing but more centralization since 1940.
There is a one page waiver for all of this. The single payer system is dead if you fill it out and send it in.
Link or it didn't happen
This is only the beginning...
The best part is that the Congress voted to exempt themselves and their favored minions and unions from obamascare... and the sheeple let them get away with it....
Odumbercare is for the mesmerized liberals.
Re: Odumbercare is for the mesmerized liberals.
Who loves OldFartMedicare?
Aren't all these people liars according to that faggot Harry Reid?
Duplicity is how you tell the children from the adults.
The "adults" run things. The "children" believe in "morals".
Morals? What the fuck is that? I think I read about that in a book somewhere.
BTW, the cure for obamascare.... Dr. Ben Carson.
www.runbenrun.org
I'd vote for Dr. Ben Casey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He'd have everybody fixed up in no time, and just for a bucks or a basket of chicken eggs too.
It's the insurance companies that do not want you to keep your old insurance.
Re: It's the insurance companies that do not want you to keep your old insurance.
Hey, the insurance companies are the hard working companies that provided ALL REAL Mericans with health coverage before they were pushed out by the government and are now mostly going broke trying to pay for the pour widows and children that didn't make the death panel cuts.
The insurance companies are thieves. Why the fuck do you think we are where we are now.
Re: Why the fuck do you think we are where we are now.
You must be one of them Mericans who hates Merica, and the troops.
Not a real, Zerocare is a huge winfall for insurance. My insurance agent was crying like a sandy vagina about how bad oblundercare has hurt his business as he qouted me my new insruance of $409/mo w $6k deductible, bastard, that is what I called him, his new name is bastard. Previously I was paying $88/mo with $3k deductible, not exactly 56% increase.
Whatever you do don't shop around. Your agent is crying for joy because his commission just went up if you take his offer.
just your average OWS terrorist, with a big dick.
I still want to know why there is such a thing as health insurance in the first place. Isnt insurance supposed to save you from an unlikely/catastrophic event such as causing a 10 car pileup on the interstate while texting, or your house burning down, or a hurricane/tornado etc.
Lets face the facts everyfuckingbody is going to get really sick at the end of their lives and die. Period end of story. There IS going to be a massive cancer bill (dad died of pancraetic cancer), massive heart attack bill, massive alzheimer bill, etc etc.
Why dont we all get catastrophic coverage to deal with these situations IF YOU WANT. The yearly physical/cholestrol test/prostate test IF YOU WANT to do those should be cash payments or plans that ive heard about where doctors do that stuff for like $75/month prepaid. I mean we dont demand our car insurance pay for oil changes and tires when they wear out, and IF YOU WANTED such a plan it would and should be expensive and no one in their right mind would offer the plan unless they charged enough to make a profit.
Sometimes life just sucks and shit happens and YOU die and holding a gun to a fellow citizens head and demanding they pay for YOUR end of life care is just not right.
And when i say YOU i dont mean YOU Roadhazard, just YOU in general.
Re: Why dont we all get catastrophic coverage to deal with these situations IF YOU WANT.
Sounds good, but - ya know - most people, being just slightly more proactive than monkeys, wouldn't WANT insurance until AFTER they needed it. They'd use the money they SHOULD HAVE spent on insurance for bling: like a Chrysler 300 dick-mobile with tinted windows, oversized dumbasses tires, and a hemi engine to impress their neighbors with their dick-size.
So, because MOST people are short-term thinking assholes who then cry like babies AFTER the fact and expect "somebody" to take care of them, we have insurance (called Medicare) for these losers.
But, as we're all Americans we pay to keep the OldFarts alive MUCH longer than they should be, instead of sticking them on an iceflow.
THAT'S what makes us a society. Keeping the worthless OldFarts alive.
Know any worthless OldFarts that SHOULD HAVE saved for their worthless OldAge?
Sigh, I agree.
I just wish when people stuck out their hand for help the order of asking for help went something like this:
1) family
2) friends
3) neighbors
4) church/charity
5) local govt
6) state govt
7) federal govt
Fucking problem is the Chrysler 300 folks start at #7.
In my humble opinion, at least most our freedoms are left alone until we get to #7 on the list.
Medicare you have to pay for, Medicaid is free. I paid for Medicare for 25 years before I became 65. Medicare is 2.65% of your working wage, it is not free. Also your employer paid 2.65%. Thats 5.30% of my working wage for 25 years, before I could enroll. Some on here don't know what the fuck they are talking about. could it be not a real American?
Medicare tax is 1.45% plus employer 1.45% for 2.9% total.
Eggxactly!!
Government. Insurance would not be oligopolies without government. Coercive Monopolistic behavior does not exist without government. Why do you think so?
What did the insurance companies steal? You have evidence to support your assertion, right?
Of course they do, because they know Zerocare will not work. The whole damn thing depends on the most irresponsible of an irresponsible society to begin with. The majority of young people just don't give a shit about insurance that they have to pay for.
The Obama game plan to wreck this country is right on schedule. The only question is whether anyone is going to stop him.
Re: The only question is whether anyone is going to stop him.
Yeah, don't worry. In two years the Red Team will take over and then everything will be much better, just like it was 10 years ago.
When you consider that "Obamacare" was the Team Red plan, first instituted by the Team Red candidate Romney in Massachusetts, how can you not be super excited about inevitable Team Red takeover?
I'd take ten yrs ago in a heart beat. The focus now is surviving.
Just watch, the Republicrats will get a majority in the Senate next election on a wave of "Anti-Obamacare sentiment" and the Premiums will just keep going up along with the deductibles and co-pays.
The kleptoligarchy is whittling down the middle-class with a rabid fury; the politicians arguing over who gets to wield the knife.
If the repubs do get the majority and don't do something I am switching party affiliation, dammit.
/sarc
Because they have to "fix" it. It's all about "saving" the middle class. What, to get more blood?
Fuck, they allowed healthcare to become a "right". Backlash in 3.....2.......1
Zerocare is fine. All we need is a few death panels, and all these pesky ne'er-do-well sick people will go away.
Just think of the massive reduction in unfunded liabilitys.
Awesome!
What do you mean those numbers are people?
Just shiv every person with an Obama 2012 sticker on their car.
Then do the same for every Romney 2012 sticker.
Clean slate.
If you like your Obama you can keep your Obama.........there ya go, death panels. Don't they have those every weekend in Chicago?
So...the idiot hipsters that voted for this disaterous president now aren't signing up for his signature legislation. And with this clueless group making up a lot of that younger demographic people wonder why their unemployment rate is so high.
Apologies off topic, but
Trading Platform down
No fucker answering the phone
Just 'enjoying' a dry run of what is sure to come.
Got physical?
This Obamacare has been a Nightmare for me ... it'll be easy to remember this presidency ... every time i pay my exorbitant insurance premium or go to the doctor I'll think of the Triad:; Barry, Pelosi and Reid.
Thanks for the opportunity Mr. Obama to join in on your healthcare scam. However I am paying $1,382 per year at 58 years old for full coverage here in my new country. I can call the hospital and just schedule a heart stress test, colonoscopy or whatever I want. I pay 20% of bill. No deductible. half price of US prices with better doctors and total modern equipment.
(and the nurses are really cute)
I am very happy to have much better coverage and also help all your taxpayers by opting out of medicare and other free programs you offer.
Nice to know I can come back and get disability coverage whenever I would need to. Plus food stamps, and many other programs. I sleep better at night knowing I can get a bunch of free shit thanks to you. But do not think I will need it because I have been responsible in my life
I am responsible and can handle my own coverage.
Best of luck on your socialist program. And hope Michelle and the kids have a great time in China on vacation. Who is paying for that by the way?
And loved the way you handled the Russians. You are so politically smart.
Your friend and admirer
(sarc for sure ok?)
Can you tell us the country?
Probably Australia - tons of yanks here now.
Come on down under - pay cash for your surgery in a private hospital - no q's asked.
Probably be about a quarter costs of USA and standards are higher. Lots of Japs do this.
Australia has close to the best surgeons in the world if you are in the know.
Top notch care, and rehab,prices for Uber major surgery 15% of USA and that incudes 2-3 mos of rehab,and servants, and a villa, INDIA's best hospitals.
Go to ANY major US hospital, 75% of the best Dr.'s are from India,Pakistan, or Israel.
My friend went to Thailand for his hip surgeries. Here the hospital quoted him $98,000 for his hospital bill. The hospital was firm on that even though his surgeon said he would work with him and charge much less since even he thought the hospital costs were outrageous.
Anyway, he went to Thailand & had them done and total bill, doctors charges included was $19,500. That included his one month post-op therapy and he said the hopstial was super nice.
Somehting ot think about for those who need these major surgeries. He said most of the doctors were UK trained.
basically any country outside of the US.
Aquaintence called me in a panic yesterday re Obamacare deadline. This is not some math or tech savvy. She is a healer. Anyway - single mom, approx 38K AGI, neg net worth. Even after a subsidy, she would be looking at about $150/month in premiums - with a $12,700 family deductible. She has paid out of pocket up until now. I suggested she consider taking the penalty - like millions of other people. If she gets very sick, she'll be indigent anyway. And bankruptcy? What does she have to lose?
In addition, the Exchange here in WA State SUCKS. The implementation team are a bunch of arrogant incompetents. The phone system has wait times from 30 mins (min) to over 2 hours to talk to someone who MIGHT be able to help.
Why is government the middle-man? Why? Why? Why? Sheer idiocy.
Re: Why is government the middle-man? Why? Why? Why? Sheer idiocy.
Ask the insurance companies, they wrote the program.
and every democrat voted it through without a single republican voting for it. Damn wonder how you spin that mf'er.
Seems like Hangin' Judge Roberts "voted" for it, and he is Bush's boy.
Do you realize also if your aunt had nuts she'd be your uncle?
She should quit her job. Enjoy what the country can do for her.
She is actually thinking about that.
Yeh, Obamacare was sold as a program to keep people from losing their double-wide due to a medical emergency. We could of purchased a double-wide for all 50 million people who did not have health insurance and it might have been cheaper than this will end up being.
Time for a 150 million man march on Washington D.C.!
Need to schedule it around the sports schedule tho. Need to keep our priorities straight.
I'm bringing gasoline cans. Suggest we all do the same. Happy August 24th!
The health insurance/sickcare system is already dying. Lots of MDs figuring out that they can do just fine (or better) dealing with the people (patients) they provide services to vs. the ins. cos. Most of them are smart but they went to med school, not business school. But they're getting there. Just like DDS. For you young ones - dental coverage used to be (almost) a given. That started changing in the 90's, just when grill expectations started changing. People care enough about their teeth (and want them to be bleached and straightened to perfection) that dental practices employ people to work up front w/patients and decide what work for how much and what payment plan. Shop around. Now THAT is hope and change!
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slightly off topic... but related in the context of inflation..
Earlier I was complaining about the cost of homes in my area. For the first time in a long time, I just looked at apartment rental prices... wow, I was shocked.... there is massive inflation out there.
How else do you explain $900 for a studio and $1100 for a 1 bedroom? That is the lowest price I could find on the whole southern end of the city where I live...
How are people supposed to afford to live these days between home cost and health insurance?!?!?!?
They are deflating your paycheck by inflating your daily living expense - rent, gas, food, etc.
This deflation is planned in an effort to reduce the massive interest expense paid on our Fed debt.
They are stealing your income and your savings as a means to redistribute your wealth and hold debt inflation down.
They promise only to put it in a little bit - honest.