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Busted! – U.S. Tech Giants Knew Of NSA Spying Says Agency's Senior Lawyer

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

This is why I’ve been so confused and frustrated by the repeated reports of the behavior of the US government. When our engineers work tirelessly to improve security, we imagine we’re protecting you against criminals, not our own government.

The US government should be the champion for the internet, not a threat. They need to be much more transparent about what they’re doing, or otherwise people will believe the worst.

I’ve called President Obama to express my frustration over the damage the government is creating for all of our future. Unfortunately, it seems like it will take a very long time for true full reform.

So it’s up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want. Together, we can build a space that is greater and a more important part of the world than anything we have today, but is also safe and secure. I‘m committed to seeing this happen, and you can count on Facebook to do our part.

- Facebook CEO, Mark Zuckerberg in a post last week

Last week, Mark Zuckerberg made headlines by posting about how he called President Barack Obama to express outrage and shock about the government’s spying activities. Of course, anyone familiar with Facebook and what is going on generally between private tech behemoths and U.S. intelligence agencies knew right away that his statement was one gigantic heap of stinking bullshit. Well now we have the proof.

Earlier today, the senior lawyer for the NSA made it completely clear that U.S. tech companies were fully aware of all the spying going on, including the PRISM program (on that note read my recent post: The Most Evil and Disturbing NSA Spy Practices To-Date Have Just Been Revealed).

So stop the acting all of you Silicon Valley CEOs. We know you are fully on board with extraordinary violations of your fellow citizens’ civil liberties. We know full well that you have been too cowardly to stand up for the values this country was founded on. We know you and your companies are compromised. Stop pretending, stop bullshitting. You’ve done enough harm.

From The Guardian:

The senior lawyer for the National Security Agency stated unequivocally on Wednesday that US technology companies were fully aware of the surveillance agency’s widespread collection of data, contradicting month of angry denials from the firms.


Rajesh De, the NSA general counsel, said all communications content and associated metadata harvested by the NSA under a 2008 surveillance law occurred with the knowledge of the companies – both for the internet collection program known as Prism and for the so-called “upstream” collection of communications moving across the internet.


Asked during at a Wednesday hearing of the US government’s institutional privacy watchdog if collection under the law, known as Section 702 or the Fisa Amendments Act, occurred with the “full knowledge and assistance of any company from which information is obtained,” De replied: “Yes.”


When the Guardian and the Washington Post broke the Prism story in June, thanks to documents leaked by whistleblower Edward Snowden, nearly all the companies listed as participating in the program – Yahoo, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook and AOL –claimed they did not know about a surveillance practice described as giving NSA vast access to their customers’ data. Some, like Apple, said they had “never heard” the term Prism.


The disclosure of Prism resulted in a cataclysm in technology circles, with tech giants launching extensive PR campaigns to reassure their customers of data security and successfully pressing the Obama administration to allow them greater leeway to disclose the volume and type of data requests served to them by the government.


The NSA’s Wednesday comments contradicting the tech companies about the firms’ knowledge of Prism risk entrenching tensions with the firms NSA relies on for an effort that Robert Litt, general counsel for the director of national intelligence, told the board was “one of the most valuable collection tools that we have.”

Move along serfs, move along.

Full article here.


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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:10 | 4571046 Independent
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Mark Fudgeaberger, Fudging the truth one LIE at a time

Guess the Kibbutz training comes in good sometimes

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:22 | 4571102 InjectTheVenom
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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:11 | 4571198 Indian_Goldsmith
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I only use google to search for mature ladies porn, only use facebook to connect with mature sexy ladies (and exchange naughty pics and videos ;) ). Now i ask all intelligent ZHers, can the NSA use this to blackmail me? How?

Should i start my own gigolo enterprise to nullify any possible future blackmail?


All opinions would be appreciated :)

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:19 | 4571224 zionhead
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I only google for 'adult depends' and 'mobile wheelchairs'.

Google is SPYNET, .. ZH should spend some time updating themselves to SPYNET buying robots and drones, ...

It's not just passive data collection, GOOGLE is ramping up to be a provider of World Policeman in the active sense.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:33 | 4571239 sunaJ
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Even Holwood couldn't wash him clean.  Oh, who am I kidding?  This snivelous douche's idea was selected to be part of the central machine.



Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:35 | 4571258 Boris Alatovkrap
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Load of steaming bovine excrement as member of political and corporate class is mix bodily fluid in orgy and then both is feign anger at betrayal of citizenry.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:15 | 4571314 National Blessing
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American corporations and government having been sharing a bed for a long long time.  The United States is now fascist-lite.  Bastards.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:47 | 4571358 Indian_Goldsmith
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"We know full well that you have been too cowardly to stand up for the values this country was founded on"....


LMAO hahahahaha

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:53 | 4571370 AldousHuxley
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Hemisphere Project.


ALL of your phone records dating back to 1987 provided to government without search warrants.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:30 | 4571501 negative rates
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Call the doctor, I think I'm gonna crash.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:01 | 4571585 CuttingEdge
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Maybe Zuck the Fuck's company name should be changed to 2Facedbook...

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:59 | 4571658 Uncle Remus
Thu, 03/20/2014 - 11:58 | 4572745 Tim_
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HR 6304 Gave Retroactive Immunity to AT&T - Video

Whistle-Blower Outs NSA Spy Room
April 7, 2006

"AT&T provided National Security Agency eavesdroppers with full access to its customers' phone calls, and shunted its customers' internet traffic to data-mining equipment installed in a secret room in its San Francisco switching center, according to a former AT&T worker cooperating in the Electronic Frontier Foundation's lawsuit against the company."

"Mark Klein, a retired AT&T communications technician, submitted an affidavit in support of the EFF's lawsuit this week."

AT&T gave feds access to all Web, phone traffic, ex-tech says

"His first inkling that something was amiss came in summer 2002, when he opened the door to admit a visitor from the National Security Agency (NSA) to an AT&T office in San Francisco."

"'What the heck is the NSA doing here?' Mark Klein, a former AT&T technician, said he asked himself."

"A year or so later, he stumbled upon documents that, he said, show the agency gained access to massive amounts of e-mail, Web search and other Internet records of more than a dozen global and regional telecom providers."

Billboard Liberation Front "Promotes" AT&T and NSA

AT&T - Your World. Delivered. To the NSA.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:07 | 4571480 A Nanny Moose
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Purpose of all government is fascism. Fascism is socialism with corporations.

Paraphrasing Engels; the goal of socialism is Communism.

It's all the same root ideology. Coercion on behalf of the collective.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:12 | 4571538 Wahooo
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It's time we returned to the Trespassers Will Be Shot days. Sorry, humans, you can't be trusted.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 09:31 | 4571899 lordylord
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Libtards love to criticize capitalism in favor of socialism.  Libertards are either too dumb to know the difference between free-market capitalism and fascism or they are purposeless being deceptive.  Even after you correct their mistake, they still deride capitalism.  These people are willfully ignorant.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:37 | 4571262 Skateboarder
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Life is pale without a genuine sense of wonder. These people do not live.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:52 | 4571433 disabledvet
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you need to stop immediately! the SEC is watching you do this and this failing in their "proper oversight" function. Now let's sue GM for ten billion before this whole Presidency goes down in flames.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:32 | 4571503 negative rates
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Lets not and say we did.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:50 | 4571524 messystateofaffairs
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Actually the google search engine works exceptionally well on porn, a feature of its cultural heritage. For all other searches I use Startpage. We are only too happy to share our pornsites with all the lonely cubicled NSA workers burning the midnight oil to defend our freedoms. But really, you all didn't have to set up such an elaborate and expensive system to find your pornsites, we would have been happy to forward you the links. Wishing you all happy wanking or doing each other in your cubicles or whatever it is all you very impotent national security people do.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:53 | 4571436 Offthebeach
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Hard to tell where the SS/KGB/STASI/NSA stops and Google/Facebook, XYZ Coroporation begins.

But we in the west have multi-party politaical representstion that gives us real choices.

( OK, one of the two paragraphs is a manufactured, propaganda idea. )

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 04:21 | 4571451 OldPhart
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Torn between believing certain knowledge that the tech companies were willing accomplices and the certain knowledge that ALL lawyers are born psychopathic liars...(weird how most of our government is comprised of lawyers, isn't it?). 

In this case I'm inclined to believe the psychopathic liars.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 11:36 | 4572516 MayIMommaDogFac...
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It is only lying when the little people do it.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 10:16 | 4572107 DirtyWilly
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There is so much bullshit in this article I'd have to give it an "up-to-armpits" rating.

Zuckerberg called out the pres?  Yeah, and I fart fabreeze.

This isn't adding up, they willingly participated, yet called them out, yet knew before Snowden.  My armit rating stands.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 11:24 | 4572461 Tim_
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Mark Zuckerberg is a jew.

The world's most influential Jews: 1-10


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:14 | 4571048 knukles
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Another Conspiracy Theory becomes Ohneverthefuckmind.
Assholes, Deluxe
Fuck Silicon Valley and the EU


So hey, didju all ever notice how that Faceplant shit went?  Kid's got a biz, starts to catch on, gets a full boat load of air time via CNBS folks, Wall Street pump, a FUCKING MOVIE is made of the little pecker, hype galore, Internet Bubble 3.0 and lo and behold, the deal IPOs and he gets fab rich.


Anybody else see the connection?
Gov't agency spying via social media, Wall Street, Hollywood?
Every last dot in the Matrix was connected

Your Propaganda Mechanism At Work

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:22 | 4571104 Grande Tetons
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I figured it out after I saw him wearing the same hoodie for 458 days straight. 

After day 450, I knew something was up. Little fucker. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:58 | 4571290 SilverIsKing
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With that hoodie, he was trying to be Obama's other son.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:44 | 4571154 palmereldritch
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Suckerherd probably shared some of the same profs as Obama

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:47 | 4571160 zionhead
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More circle jerking, .. taking this to the next level, how can we support Tyler so he doesn't have to collect nickels from the Enemy?

How to remove every fucking GOOGLE, FACEBOOK, TWITTER, NSA-CIA spy front from this site?

Just asking, ...

ZH would get real credibility if it were a google-free zone,... this is where the rubber meets the road, and bullshit talks and money walks.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:26 | 4571241 boogerbently
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I'm sorry, your comment was blocked out by more annoying "push advertising".

What were you saying ?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:48 | 4571354 mccvilb
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Don't forget Gates & MSFT - multiple back doors installed in the Windows OS, and the Microsoft cloud via Silverlight will suck up every document you've ever stored on your hard drives the second you connect to the internet. McCarthyism lives.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:34 | 4571505 messystateofaffairs
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Whose to say ZH is not a gubmint honeypot collecting info on all us independent thinking malcontents who will need reeducating in FEMA camps, or worse. Just show me the nailclippers big brother, I'll sign anything.

Remember we don't know each other and "they" know us all.

Anyway, I'd just like to say everything I said here is a joke and I really love gubbermint, and Marky is a nice guy, and I'm going to open a shitbook account.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:30 | 4571620 Bangin7GramRocks
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Whether the NSA or CIA helped make Facebook, it has changed the way a large percentage of the world communicates, spreads information and gets the news of the day. It is a perfect front for big brother and has been incredibly successful. Ask a 30 year old girl what websites she visits daily. Most only visit Facebook and read links connected to Facebook.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 12:45 | 4573044 Crash Overide
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Fackbook = Zuckerberg = Rothschild = Bankers = MIC

What, you didn't know?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:09 | 4571050 GumbyMe
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Shocking! NOT! The scumbags have been lying all along in hopes of saving their own asses.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:11 | 4571058 prains
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<--- Profit



What do ALL Ceo's stand for?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:15 | 4571073 tickhound
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It's ONLY profit... And any benefits to you are ancillary.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:16 | 4571078 prains
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ancillary as in....trickling

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:59 | 4571176 tickhound
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Ancillary as in... In support of (profit).

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:17 | 4571080 LetThemEatRand
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Profit + Truth = Proof.  Of your guilt.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:21 | 4571096 prains
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the circle of life

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:34 | 4571141 prains
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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:11 | 4571063 Cognitive Dissonance
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All hail the mighty multinational corporation.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:25 | 4571114 Anusocracy
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The problem is still government and its evil spawn - like the NSA.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:36 | 4571419 Kirk2NCC1701
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It's the New Feudalism. Born Again Feudalism. New & Improved.
2.0. Get used to it, Sheeple.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 04:34 | 4571459 Ifigenia
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The good old feudalism was better. At those time the kings and lords`wars were funded by the moneylenders and when those bellicose enterprises ended in fiascos, normally does, those kings and lords just had to invoke that the jews were trying to impoverish the christians to default. Nowaday, the moneylenders turned to modern king and lords and use the state to collect our debts and even their losses are put on our heads and our children.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:13 | 4571066 LetThemEatRand
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But, hey, check out these cool new apps!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:20 | 4571084 TheFourthStooge-ing
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But, hey, check out these cool new apps!

The game app based on Zuckerberg (Angry Turds) is pretty realistic.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:29 | 4571245 boogerbently
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Hey, hey, look,

It's a lighter. No matter how I turn my phone, the flame goes up !!!!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:21 | 4571074 QE49er
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Zuckerberg, Yellen, Bernanke, Obama, Gates...All scum villains, the lowest of the low of all humanity.  They have to keep reminding themselves that they are doing Gods work because the guilt is just too much, must be really tough selling your soul.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:16 | 4571075 SgtShaftoe
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That sucking sound you hear is the end of the technology industry of the United States.  FUCK YOU ALL YOU ASSLICKING, TRAITOROUS PIECES OF SHIT! 


May all of you collaborators die destitute in a cardboard box behind walmart. 



Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:19 | 4571086 prains
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that sucking sound comes from the rentier personage that has claimed the legal right to skim any and all legislated entity

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 08:08 | 4571668 Maxter
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I succesfully swtiched my default search engine from google to duckduckgo a couple of month ago.  This is not perfect, but I am now willing to put up with the small problems if that mean I get to say fuck you to google. 

"do no evil" my ass.  They recently bough the robotic company wich supply robots to the military! (the infamous BigDog!)

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:23 | 4571112 ebworthen
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Yeah, Google and Facebook are your "friends".

Short video about how Farcebook makes you lonely and breaks down the fabric of society:

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:49 | 4571138 tickhound
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LOL! AS IF some political artist is gonna imagine, build, maintain and upgrade something so sophisticated.

Of course they knew. They are the engineers and the technicians. That's why tech giants are GIANT, and so few.... Like banks.

This is no revelation and we certainly don't need a lawyer to provide confirmation. And wtf else is zuckerberg gonna say??? Stay off NSAbook cuz my tool limits personal privacy?

And the only thing zuckerberg is working roundthaclock to do is keep you chatting with your FaceFriends.

Technology is like every other commodity within a scarcity model. Like Pharma to weed, or BoA to smallville fidelity, or GMO sterilization to GMO fertilization... It's design and use is for profit.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:56 | 4571437 disabledvet
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why the long contracts? when I hit "the agree" God, what have I done?!! ???

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:35 | 4571506 negative rates
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But you have no reason to be junked.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 08:45 | 4571760 Downtoolong
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Try to cancel your account and you'll see what you've done, or can't do if you prefer.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:35 | 4571142 alien-IQ
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I am Jacks total lack of surprise....

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:38 | 4571147 nowhereman
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Let me get this straight.  All these companies have been co-operating from the get go, right?  These motherfuckers have access to everybodies information, right?  These asshats are supposed to be able to know what's going to happen before it happens. right?

Can someone please explain to me then, why Obama ended up looking like a complete fucking idiot in Ukraine.  US, UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and not one of these neo-fascist states could figure out that this gambit was going to blow up in their faces.

I just don't get it.  Either they are overwhelmed by the volume of information they steal, or they have no way of analizing it, or they are so fucking incompetent that they don't understand what to do with it.

Now for my money, I'm going with incompetent, it is the government after all.  You've seen the guys who are supposedly running the show.  None of them can even lie effectively.  I really don't think we have all that much to worry about.  They realize how badly they suck and that's why anyone with a modicum of sense scares them so much.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:52 | 4571369 boogerbently
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Why did they work so hard getting him elected, in the first place?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:08 | 4571481 paint it red ca...
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One big psy-oops operation.

The agenda remains hidden throughout the shifting speakers, leakers and sneakers. Hang'em all and let God sort it out.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 03:00 | 4571383 boogerbently
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Why did they work so hard getting him elected, in the first place?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:17 | 4571493 messystateofaffairs
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" they have no way of analizing it"

Barry could analize it.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:39 | 4571148 DIgnified
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Yeah yeah yeah, we know.  Wake me up when more than just us give a shit. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:43 | 4571153 zionhead
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Hey I'm a billionaire, go fuck your self little-guy US public,

Wake me up when I'm a trillionaire, ... then I plan to buy some GUBMINTS.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:42 | 4571151 zionhead
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Let me get this straight,

All these ZIO-Billionaires, they all got FIRST ROUND venture capital fromt the CIA/NSA, and they didn't know that they were building a 'social spy network'.

googe, facebook, twitter, ... et-al

the entire go public,... get the public to finance at the next level, SEED with CIA/NSA money,


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:45 | 4571157 discopimp
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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:48 | 4571163 Schmuck Raker
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OMG, if you can't trust a CORPORATION(person) then who CAN you trust?!?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 00:48 | 4571165 tony bonn
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the stupid voters conspired with the totalitarian elite to put shackles on their feet....all of the idiots who supported the ziocons, the hope and change crap from the kenyan, big government, big deficits, big lies will reap the whirlwind this year.

i guarantee that you that the united states will be shaken to its foundations this year because idiots come to this site to bitch and moan when they should be organizing, calling congressmen, and protesting in the streets the totalitarian state.

the usa will be both a smoldering mass of nuclear radiation and totalitarian state on steroids this year.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:09 | 4571205 semperfi
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"idiots come to this site to bitch and moan"

like you ?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:33 | 4571252 Philalethian
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There is ONLY one thing that will take down the beast that is taking down the world. It is the complete elimination of all of these kinds of things.:

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:07 | 4571197 semperfi
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Fuckerburg you Zuckerburg - and all you other traitor motherfuckers at yahoo, google, microsoft, apple, etc...

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:08 | 4571203 Johnny Cocknballs
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At least you can count on Google.

No need to worry if you aren't a terrorist.  Ora potential patent applicant, I suppose...

The social network leading company is still Facebook. There is enough evidence to conclude that this company has deep connections with the Israeli intelligence, in essence being nothing but an upgraded version of Mossad’s Ksharim program, described in the past by Victor Ostrovsky.

The upgrade was achieved by stealing code from Harvard students Cameron Winklevoss, Tyler Winklevoss, and Divya Narendra; Mr. Zuckerberg, founder of Facebook, made them believe that he would help them build a social network called (later called ConnectU). Mark Zuckerberg acknowledged the theft by paying indemnifications.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:14 | 4571218 zionhead
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Well my CPA years ago used to say, if you have over $10 million gross in high-tech in the USA, then there is a 100% chance their first round venture capital was fed by the MIC.

If your GROSS goes over $100 M, and the courts don't steal your business, then you know that business is 'made' in the MAFIA sense.


Hell its not just FB, all these social-networking HW & SW companys are all ran by ZIO-SPAWN just old enough to have hair between their legs.

It's a great narrative, and even a better way to get kids on board.


What can you do to make a difference?

THROW FUCKING ROCKS AT THE GOOGLE BUSES IN SF, NOTHING sends a better message to the zio-con tribe, than throwing rocks at their spawn.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:47 | 4571359 24kt pate
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Long-time member, 1st time posting, had to. The color of fbook's brand, that flat blue on white background, sure looks like the israeli flag, no? My I.T. guy told me years ago that fbook sends all activity from the site off to the feds each and every night. Blue douches.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:01 | 4571476 messystateofaffairs
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I get the impression that Obama wants to do Yuckerberg, he must be missing Rahm. Yukky would comply, for the greater glory of Israel.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:09 | 4571204 zebrasquid
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I picture a cartoon where both Zuck and Bama are looking all aghast at each other, each saying 'I'm shocked! Shocked!!"

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:12 | 4571212 kellycriterion
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The Crime Syndicate Model is expensive. Diminished circumstances? Just add more force to replace palm greasing. All the groundwork has been laid for a Soviet style collectivist police state. Now that's funny.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:37 | 4571263 seek
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I'm sure most of the companies did know. What the NSA is leaving out of this accusation is the fact that their CEOs would wind up in prison like Qwest's did, if they didn't "cooperate."

If a law were passed negating any gag order or other restrictions on company disclosures, my guess is the NSA would turn tail and hide very quickly and wish they'd never said what they just did in this article.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:59 | 4571292 dumbStruck
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While I've never doubted that faceplant ( amoung others ) was fully compliant with the wishes of America's peeping spooks. It is a lawyer and and an NSA lawyer at that telling us this. Proof that Suckerberg is lying ? As long as you're willing to believe what the NSA tells you !

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 01:59 | 4571293 VWAndy
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Buncha peepin toms. Excuse me thats Fn peepin toms.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:07 | 4571300 q99x2
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Arrest Larry Elison, Bill Gates, Eric Schmidt, etc. Re-distribute their stolen wealth. Open source is an answer. Long live the revolution. And besides all of that. No one wants your bug infested junk anymore.

Go bite the big one Silicon Valley.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 10:12 | 4572088 semperfi
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charge them with treason - then hang the fuckers

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:18 | 4571319 abunusaybah
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The really funny part is that even after everyone finds out about this people still wont abandon their facebook because they dont care, al qaidah members and ISIS will still post updates,  constitution loving militias will still post their anti-obama updates nothing will change and if facebook does die another app will come up by a "hard working" "unknown"  "entrepeneur" with the same spying but a different name.. new name.. because americans and westerners are narcissitic assholes and easterners love to watch their narcissism


i care about spellcheck the way i care about yourdown votes

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 02:26 | 4571330 kellycriterion
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What if the NSA issued a press release that they had developed an artificial intelligence that was spying on everyone? And that this artificial intelligence would be marginalizing, undermining, punishing the families of malcontents at its own discretion? Would you believe them? Would you modify your behavior? If they proved it existed would you modify your behavior?

And finally does the artificial intelligence angle even matter?

You are being measured.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 03:21 | 4571350 GoldIsMoney
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I just can think of one song: "Tell me lies, sweet little lies..."

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 05:23 | 4571498 css1971
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Talk about conspiracy theories becoming fact.

Well DUH. Of course the CEOs knew. They of course told their techies to let the NSA in. They almost certainly got tax breaks, information, contracts based on this, compared to their disadvantaged competitors who did not.

So... The NSA turned every tech manaufacturer software and hardware into an enormous spying network. The rest of the world should continue to use US tech because? If I shorted stocks, Amazon, Intel, IBM, Oracle, Facebook, Google, Microsoft would all be in my sights.



Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:22 | 4571543 Manipuflation
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I like the spiced up and accurate language used here.  It applies to just about everything we hear on a daily basis in our lives.

For example,

"John McCain said we need sanctions on Russia and we..."(insert from below)

"Barack Obama said he hit 18 consecutive holes in one tying Kim Jong Il's record and that you can keep your health care if you like your health care but we...."

For women just change the "his" to "her".

"Nancy Pelosi said Hillary Clinton was a hot chick and we...."

OK, maybe that was not the best example because Pelosi is androgynous but you get the idea.


"knew right away that his statement was one gigantic heap of stinking bullshit."

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:57 | 4571577 messymerry
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Pelosi secretly likes to kick proles when nobody is looking...and Hillary too.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:29 | 4571552 sleigher
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As if we needed a reason not to use failbook and screwggle...

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:29 | 4571553 smacker
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Given that Facebook's Zuckerberg was not only fully aware of what's been going on and also fully understands the seriousness of it, but has nevertheless been up to his neck in it, one is left wondering exactly what he gets out of it. There is almost always a quid pro quo in such matters. Is it that he is just another corporatist control-freak like Gates or is he on a promise?? hhmmm.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:40 | 4571561 negative rates
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In such matters we just let the invisible timer do the talking, and take care of the problem in due time. No study required. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:59 | 4571580 Fix-ItSilly
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What does Zuckerberg get out of it?  His business requires the same spying to profit from "eyeballs" - so he needs the Govt to have his back.  The english word for this is "fascism".

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 06:52 | 4571573 messymerry
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Since when does some punk ass kid panderer have a hotline to the prez's bedroom???  Oh, I think I'll just give my buddy Barack a call and let him know that I've got his back. 

Nothing to see here, move on move on...


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 12:43 | 4571597 Leraconteur
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This explains MySpace, Google, FaceBook and all social media. The NSA/.Gov gives these companies preferred access so they become huge on the NYSE and then use them to spy on everyone.

Edit: Appears that is what every comment says, more or less. Oh well. My one yuan.


- Don't forget Google Desktop. I bet every byte ever searched was sent to the NSA every night.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:32 | 4571623 YHC-FTSE
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Sorry, but what the fuck do you expect?  The little turd started the whole friendFace p.o.s. by stealing yearbook pics of girls in his and other colleges to make a fuckability comparison website. That's the lofty level of corporate and social responsibility you can expect from the sick thieving bastards brought to you by Goldman Sachs IPO and their class B shares.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:36 | 4571628 El Hosel
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Maybe some flying tech giants would go nice with the string of flying Bankers we have seen lately.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 08:10 | 4571669 MarcusAurelius
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Why is this such a mystery. For any of these tech giants to become the giants that they are they need senators in their back pocket and the governments endorsement to create these multi billion dollar behemoths that work hard to snap up all the remaining competition and buy the best talent. If you don't sell your soul you don't become a billionaire and isn't that what building a tech company is all about. Releasing your IPO and hoping that enough suckers buy in so that you can cash out your own shares and pray that the company continues to thrive. 

   The internet could just be the worlds greatest achievement for communication if there wasn't so many of these bought and paid for idiots fucking it up. It continues to be my hope that someone will create another channel that is not dependent on any government and exists (like Ubuntu and word press) for the use of the world free of this horseshit. I realize that my thought is an ideal but surely it is time. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 08:13 | 4571673 esum
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NSA and tech heads lik MZ ... competing to steal data and invade privacy: ONE FOR PROFIT the other FOR BIG BROTHER PARANOIA..DO YOU PREFER DOGSHIT or BULLSHIT

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 08:39 | 4571739 Downtoolong
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So it’s up to us — all of us — to build the internet we want.

Um, we had that for 20 years. Then Facebook, Google, & Twitter came along to capture us, control us, monetize us, sell us out to the highest bidder, and get uber-rich at our expense, by any means they could think of, as long as it took place behind a veil so no one would notice.

Face it Zuck, the mask is off now, and we see the true face and farce of Facebook. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 09:02 | 4571821 Last of the Mid...
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I called "bullshit" on facefuck a long time ago. That corporation is just too closely aligned with what would be the NSA 's wet dream of collecting as much data about the serfs as possible as quickly as possible. I wouldn't be surprised to find government money deeply embedded in their start up operations. Soon to begin is the 2nd major phase of the internet where eveyone does as little as possible online to avoid government scrutiny. As a side, i was kind of intrested in a Nest thermostat for the house till I found out Google bought it then I said Hell no! You are what you let people do to you.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 09:10 | 4571837 hotrod
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BOYCOTT them All.  Hope article makes MSM.







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