China's Newest Maritime Dispute

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Submitted by Zachary Zeck via The Diplomat,

China is hardly in need of additional territorial disputes these days, but it seems to have a new one on its hands.

Last week a senior Indonesian defense official announced that China’s new drawing of its nine-dash line includes waters that Jakarta claims as its own.


China has claimed Natuna waters as their territorial waters. This arbitrary claim is related to the dispute over Spratly and Paracel Islands between China and the Philippines. This dispute will have a large impact on the security of Natuna waters,” assistant deputy to the chief security minister for defense strategic doctrine Commodore Fahru Zaini said, according to Indonesia’s official news agency, Antara.

The Natuna waters (named after the islands they border) are part of Riau Islands Province in Indonesia, located along the southern part of the strategic Strait of Malacca. They are part of the South China Sea. Fahru explained that a new map on Chinese passports encompasses part of the Natuna waters, raising the irk of Indonesian officials.

What China has done is related to the territorial zone of the Unitary Republic of Indonesia. Therefore, we have come to Natuna to see the concrete strategy of the main component of our defense, namely the National Defense Forces (TNI),” Fahru, who was visiting the Riau Islands, added. He went on to complain that China’s nine-dash line isn’t transparent owing to the fact that it doesn’t include precise coordinates.

Interesting, as Scott Cheney-Peters notes over at the excellent Center for International Maritime Security (CIMSEC) blog, just weeks before Fahru made the announcement about China’s encroachment, Indonesia had announced it was building up its naval, air and army forces on and around the Natuna Islands as a preemptive measurement against instability in the South China Sea.

The deployment of the TNI forces around the Natuna waters aims to anticipate possible infiltration as a result of instability in the South China Sea,” TNI chief General Moeldoko said according to an Antara report. While maintaining that Indonesia is ready to cooperate with countries like China and the U.S., Moeldoko added: “Since Natuna is strategically located, the increase of its forces at sea, on the ground, and in the air is necessary to anticipate any instability in the South China Sea and serve as an early warning system for Indonesia and the TNI.” Earlier in the year, Indonesian media reported that Jakarta would soon announce the Natuna Islands as one of the four hotspots it would focus on militarily in the coming years.

Scott, who recently wrote a piece for The Diplomat on Indonesia’s maritime woes, also noted that the waters around the Natuna Islands are where Indonesia will host the upcoming 2014 Komodo multilateral joint exercise. The exercise will include participants from the ASEAN countries, China, the United States, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, India, South Korea, and Japan.

Although the Komodo exercise’s main focus will be on Humanitarian Assistance/Disaster Response (HA/DR) operations, Indonesian officials have made no secret of the fact that they intend to incorporate the growing maritime disputes into the drills.

In announcing last summer that Indonesia would be hosting the 2014 exercise, a senior TNI Naval official said: “The exercise will focus on naval capabilities in disaster relief, but we will also pay attention to the aggressive stance of the Chinese government by entering the Natuna area.” The same official went on to state: “We want to explain that our foreign police stipulates that Natuna is part of Indonesia…. Currently there has been no claim from China over the Natuna area but we do not want the Sipadan-Ligitan incident to happen again.”

China’s decision to antagonize Indonesia could be a costly one given the amount of influence Jakarta wields in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).


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GumbyMe's picture

Now that Russia has shows China the way to annex new territory, it's only a matter of grabbing some popcorn and watching the show.

RevRex's picture
  • .......



Meanwhile, Obama plays another 18 holes.......Reggie Love's hole, LANCE bASS' hole, Larry Sinclair's hole, Bobby Titcomb's hole, Kal Penn's hole.....



kliguy38's picture

let's hype that Nationalism and get this war chit goin'........we need DIVERSION.....when all the ponzi fails........go to war

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

PBOC, ECB, FED, remember... all war is bankster war, since time is memorial.

Ifigenia's picture

i think the banksters are preparing a big one, unfortunately, their sons wouldnt need to go out and fight it.

Handful of Dust's picture

Ukraine will never let Nantuna go. NFW!

zhandax's picture

"Meet the new boss"  Turn a rock over and I bet you discover a banker.

Jugdish's picture

How about Jerry fuckin Sandusky's hole. Don't leave him out.

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

USSA contribution to Ukraine Holodomor, v 2.0

GumbyMe's picture

That's supposed to be "shown", not "shows". Shit, can't even proofread my own crap.

kaiserhoff's picture

And if you look to the west, you will see where China is not just huffing and puffing, which is all you can do without a blue water navy, but taking territory and enslaving people. 

Why would they be offended by a cheap, midget thug like Putin?

Independent's picture

I think the Chinese will start making a play for Papua New Guinea

lots of oil around there and the country has only 7 million people


Ifigenia's picture

Australia is already there, they even occupied East Timor with 3000 troops.

matrix2012's picture

After the Oz tricked the bought up incompetent Indonesian Prez then (just like Vitali Klitschko, he's a German PR holder as well)  to let it slipped out easily... only the fool and weak fall into prey...

the falling fool and weak are true both in the past "hard" colonization (thru physical occupation) and modern times "soft" colonization (thru globalization knocking the doors opened widely)...

effendi's picture

Australia did not occupy East Timor.It sent in a Peace Keeping force to stop the chaos and incursions from Indonesia after East Timor gained independance. Nowthings are stable the troops have left.

The first lady of Timor Leste is an Australian.

Also Australia is the former colonial administrator of PNG and 39 years after independance we still give them plenty of aidmoney.



PT's picture

Why wouldn't they just buy it?  Or are they getting tired of paying for things? ...

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Folks, don't be fooled by the Possum act.  Recall that Sr. Bush also let Saddam Hussein believe that the US did not care about Kuwait:

When their dispute of Kuwaiti's "lateral drilling" into Iraq escallated to where Saddam moved his military to the Kuwaiti border, the US and Saudis did not respond.  Fooled/tricked into thinking that this was some kind of Green Light, Saddam then invaded Kuwaist.  We all know what happened afterwards.

Moral:  NEVER, EVER, NEVER trust the US Regimes to not set you up for failure and a sucker-punch, if you are not 100% in their pocket or backside.  It's the way of the Imperialist, the way of the Money Changer.

zionhead's picture

3 chinese battle ships are now heading for Darwin,

BUAP service centers for BOEING-777's, it all leads to Melbourne, but why would MELBOURNE order a 777 to come home, under whose order?

I agree with YOU China is being brought in just like SADDAM,... and to think that on the west they're doing the same to PUTIN.

HAS the Zio-Neo-Con gone fucking bat shit crazy?


Australia: Central Services - BUAP 777

The Rockwell Collins service center in Melbourne provides world-class support that covers a wide range of equipment and systems used by Australian defence forces and others in the region. The center also provides significant support to commercial airlines—such as Qantas and Air New Zealand—and other carriers in the Asia-Pacific region. Because the service center supports both commercial and military customers, it offers a significant number of advantages, including greater surge capacity for defence customers and lower costs due to the ability to share test equipment.

With advanced test equipment in a facility covering 15,000 square feet, the Melbourne Service Center services Rockwell Collins avionics for business and regional airlines and defense customers throughout Australia. Over 40 factory-trained technicians specialize in maintenance and modification work on avionics onboard a full range of aircraft.


Asia Pacific

Rockwell Collins Melbourne Service Center

[ There is supposed to be service centers in Singapore, and Shanghai, but it's not clear that China would bring down their own plane. ]

Rockwell Collins make the UAP in the BUAP for Boeing.

matrix2012's picture

@ zionhead


I guess all of these Oz stories are just diversion attempts... read on the Jim Stone's "Longsoon Hijack"

but i won't completely dismiss the possibility of using the water around Oz as the final intended burial site, to put it far away, on the opposite direction, from the highly suspected actual crime scene.


nope, i don't downvote u ;)

zionhead's picture

No the story's are bullshit, read at 'face value',


This is correct, or might be FREE-WILLY too,

The one thing telling is the chinese are sending 3 battle ship's down that way, and they must know that if they didn't take out the airplane, then that only leaves the aussies.

Here's the deal in the ASIA there are 3 service center's that can take the airplane down MELBOURNE, SINGAPORE, and SHANGHAI.

If the chinese know they didn't do it then it means the aussies did, their only power would be to BRING HOME, and that is restricted to a US-MIL base, to handle the 'terrorists'. Which US-MIL base might aussy bring to? My guess is the new Marine base near Darwin just built to handle 25,000 marines few years ago, most interesting this same USA base  was the beach-head for WW2 operations in the pacific with the JAPS.


Greenskeeper_Carl's picture

What now? My guess is the US finds some way to bumble it's way into this, make some empty threats, and then eventually not do shit, when we really should just go with the whole staying out of it and not do shit in the first place. These jerk offs that apparently run the major countries of the world seem determined to start a war somewhere, won't be happy until the world is on fire

Ifigenia's picture

so the mossad who was in Maidan square worked for nothing? except handing Crimea to Russia.

RevRex's picture

What's Obama going to do? Probably Kal Penn, he's Indonesian right?

suteibu's picture

"China’s decision to antagonize Indonesia could be a costly one given the amount of influence Jakarta wields in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN)."


Element's picture

Indonesia has acquired Yakont.

Just try making such stupid claims stick China ... see what happens.

Boomberg's picture

Well there goes my Spring Break vacation to the Natunas. 

Spungo's picture

Credit market imploding? Look over there! They stole our islands!

disabledvet's picture

Good comment. One of the "untold stories" of World War II was that the USA was "isolationist." (Some historians have listed this as a cause of WWII actually.)

But while in many ways the USA wasn't materially ready for the War and certainly it's heart was not in "European Wars" the USA had certainly been planning for it and from a Command and Control point of view was ready when war erupted. (Gotta a nice big Pentagon to show for it too...don't we.)

There is an "attack" mentality that runs "through the veins" of US that certainly stands out given all the "lovey dove" rhetoric we like to portray ourselves "being" Yet clearly this is at odds with a lot of historical facts..and certainly is at odds with our current behavior. (We have taken sides here...are we not duty bound now?)

I hear all those who want to portray the President as a "wussy" here. But one look at the poll numbers says "he should not want to be seen in this way." I have said "the job of President sucks." But what is going on vis a vis Ukraine "et al" is what it means to be President though too..and not just of the USA...or of Russia.

This is "events pushing you"...and this is how our Presidents...and Presidents "in General" end up being "judged."

It has been said "history hangs in the balance"...this isn't President Obama's first rodeo...I actually didn't have a problem with his "non-intervention" in Syria.

Sometimes you've got to stand before your Jury and "state your case" though too. You wanna be "leader of the free world"? This is what it means.

The "history of Syria" would have looked far different if the USA had gone in. Are we now compelled to intervene in Ukraine? Is this our "defining moment" and either we "saddle up" or "sullen home"?

The irony is that President Putin has every right to be in Kiev. Of course currently he is not...and no one in their right mind wants to "be Crimea." So why not simply point this out? You know..."like you have a DEFENDENT here."

We don't need to do this...we have every reason not to make Ukraine "our problem." On the other hand this is not true of "other nations."

We can "make the case" here...can we not? Something that says "we don't just yakkity yak." Yes, yes?

I will be paying SPECIAL ATTENTION to this case. There is cause to stop this...but amazingly not even Europe has made the argument. The political consequences are certainly plain to see.

There may be "coppycat reactions" we back down from them too? If so "how much back in' down we talkin here?"

Ifigenia's picture

Why couldnt USA do as any other nation? why US has to occupy others countries? Killings innocents people around the World? even opressing his own people for the benefit of the banksters?

Tracerfan's picture

The U.S. is not going to be able to fight Russia and China at the same time.  In fact, it needs to stay out of both.

StupidEarthlings's picture

Lest we not forget..US has just proven to the world that it can not/will not do shit.


Game fckin over for usa.


Wouldnt surprise me if we start seeing land grabs all over the world. 


Go on..fuckin arrest me for being anti usa if thats what you think..goddam embarrassment. .. this is NOT the usa that I was taught in school. 


So fuckin embarrassed. 

disabledvet's picture're not gonna be judged by your views my view they are in fact "correct"...but this isn't about what you or I think now...but rhe folks in charge.

Maybe they should try on that uniform some time and see how it fits 'em.
My rank was Specialist...E-4. We all knew our ticket was one way. And now so do many others it would appear.

This is a good thing, no? "We all are on the same sheet of music now" yes, yes?

Ifigenia's picture

the fault is Vitoria Nullend, a neo-con jew, who poke the bear without thinking of the consequence.

Zwelgje's picture

a bit simple, isn't it?

WhyWait's picture

This Indonesian accusation makes no sense, and I won't believe it until I hear it from China.  

Soul Glow's picture

Like Russia, China will expand its boarders.

zionhead's picture

The Diplomat, ... SHIT this story has to be true and relevant cuz the Voice of the CIA has told us so.



Given millions of good reads, ... why are we fed shit from charles smith, brandon, the diplomat,.. why? Is it adolescent sociopathy?


Sometime's I think the only OP POST on ZH that's not AIPAC-BILE is GW.

alfred b.'s picture


   oh oh ....I feel another "red line" coming!


zionhead's picture

The Diplomat discovers that the USA has 1,000's of MIL Bases all over the world.

The Diplomat tell's us that the MIL was invited, and the world BEGGED the USA to be the World's Policeman.


The Diplomat knows all, but deny's the existance of AIPAC, ZION, or Israel.


matrix2012's picture

I'd love to see The DIPLOMAT discussing the existence and importance of the USA having this thousand of military bases in foreign lands... how the USA is begged and heartedly invited by each country to safe guard their borders...



The military bases of the USA in foreign countries around the globe!

But first of all please give us the proper definition of IMPERIUM POWER; EMPIRE; GLOBAL COP; fiat-based World Reserve Currency; AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM; and of course, the PETRO-DOLLAR.... just to name few here fot a start. And please forget not explaining what's the ZIONISM and WHY the JEWS are 'uber alles' excellent in controlling financial sectors, just look at all the central bankers in the west as well as the many other strategic sectors...
MrTouchdown's picture

China’s decision to antagonize Indonesia could be a costly one given the amount of influence Jakarta wields in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).


Cost - DRINK

are we there yet's picture

China could invade Fukashema, and build a re-education camp for correct thinking.

pachanguero's picture

China is in trouble......that's the jist of this.

suteibu's picture

Zach Zeck has psychological problems that manifest as an intense hatred for the Chinese....that's the "gist" of it.

Ifigenia's picture

It sound like a CIA stunt. More trouble ahead. Building pressure for China not openly support Russia?

balolalo's picture

Taking advantage of the Greatest Recession and the deliberate stalemate in DC.

Russia moves first, strong, and big. testing the waters. No real impactful response from the West. Russia finishes this round with a total net gain.

Emboldened by its strong friend/ally/neighbor. China now moves South on Indonesia. Shoving its weight around. Response........... still pending.

Something is afoot. Pieces are moving, TPTB are prepping.

Are you?

Ifigenia's picture

Vitoria Nullan, the american neo-con jew, moved first when she support the regime change in Kiev. So, i must say if USA didnt stoke the bear, nothing would happen.