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To Eliminate Flight 370 Theories, Start With A Ruler, Pencil And Map
Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,
No conventional scenario accounts for the methodical disabling of the communications systems, the bizarre altitude changes and professional navigation to way points, or the presumed turn south and a flight path that extended to at least 8:11 a.m.
UPDATE ON POSSIBLE DEBRIS: the 24-meter (79-feet) object is located far to the south of the search field indicated on the map below. The remote area is known as a floating junkyard, so while this could be yet another false lead, it appears to be the only credible lead at this point: If this is the debris of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, what happens next?
Every plausible theory about what happened to Flight 370 has to not only fit the most reliable facts (radar tracks and satellite data) but basic geography. A widely circulated scenario proposed by Chris Goodfellow theorizes that a fire (from either a smoldering front tire or electrical fire) filled the cockpit with smoke and caused the pilots to head for the nearest major runway which happened to be to the west on Langkawi.
The reason why the transponder and ACARS systems were deactivated is the pilots pulled all the fuses in an attempt to control the electrical fire.
In Goodfellow's reconstruction, this gallant effort failed and the pilots were overcome by fumes and lost consciousness. The aircraft then flew on the westward heading on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed into the sea.
THis scenario has been critiqued on a number of points: Here's What Pilots Think About The New Idea That The Missing Plane Flew For Hours After A Fire Killed The Pilots documents that full-face oxygen masks were easily accessible, nixing the notion that the pilots could not possibly have had time to radio air traffic control.
A “Startlingly Simple Theory” About the Missing Airliner is Sweeping the Internet. It’s Wrong addresses other problems with the scenario.
I've prepared a map with the "it has to be somewhere along this line" arc based on satellite data and Flight 370's last known west-bound heading. This heading has been confirmed by both Malaysian and Thai military radar.
if the pilots lost consciousness and the aircraft continued west on autopilot, the 777 would have been approaching India before its fuel ran out and and it ditched into the sea. This is not even close to the arc traced by the satellite transmission at 8:11 a.m.
The satellite data also conflicts with theories that have Flight 370 being diverted to Diego Garcia, a U.S./British military base 1,200 southwest of Sri Lanka, which is well away from the arc.
The problem is that various pieces of data do not support conventional scenarios based on past losses of commercial airliners. We can start with the fact that the Boeing 777 is one of the safest aircraft in commercial use. The only fatalities occurred quite recently as a result of pilot error.
The fire scenario in which pilots can't find time to radio ATC (air traffic control) but they manage to navigate multiple way points using the flight computer is not plausible. Not only do the masks and the safety record of the 777 make this a stretch (not to mention that a DC-8 is not necessarily a useful analogy to a 777) it's not yet clear (due to conflicting reports) whether the pilots could deactivate the ACARS system from the cockpit; some reports suggest that requires opening a floor compartment in the aisle outside the cockpit.
The methodical disabling of the two separate communications systems is inconsistent with an emergency that allowed the pilots enough time to change course via the flight computer, navigate to way points and change altitude.
The bizarre altitude changes (climbing to 45,000 feet, well beyond the aircraft's designed ceiling and then descending to 23,000 feet, according to Malaysian military radar) and lengthy flight path along navigational way points do not align with the pilot suicide scenario. In the two previous instances of pilot suicide (both denied by the host nations for reasons of face), the suicidal pilot dove the aircraft into the sea early in the flight.
The complex flight path westward does not align with this unless the pilot was aiming to ditch the aircraft beyond the reach of recovery. And if this were the goal, why climb to 45,000 feet and then descend to 23,000?
My pilot sources report that the 777 (along with all other commercial aircraft) are designed to fly within a narrow envelope of efficiency to conserve fuel. It's pushing the envelope hard to take an almost fully loaded airliner above its designed ceiling (around 43,000 feet). What possible motivation could there have been for this action, and the subsequent drop to 23,000 feet?
A struggle with hijackers comes to mind, but there is no solid evidence that any of the passengers or other crew members had the motivation or training to hijack the aircraft and either fly the 777 in the professional manner demonstrated or coerce the pilots to disable the communications systems and proceed west.
The passage over known Malaysian military bases suggests to some observers that the pilots may have been trying to draw a response, i.e. force the Malaysian Air Force to scramble fighters, but this did not happen.
That leaves a struggle between captain and co-pilot as one explanation for the wild changes in altitude, but if that occurred, the rogue pilot retained control and the communication systems remained off.
Since there is no evidence (after 12 days) that Flight 370 headed north and landed or crashed on land, official speculation has turned to the southern arc.
In order to reach the southern reaches of the arc, Flight 370 had to have turned south sometime after Malaysian and Thai military radar lost contact with the 777 around 2:30 a.m. Once again, this decision (the only possible choice left if the northern route has been ruled out) does not align with hijacking aimed at stealing the aircraft or holding the passengers hostage, given the paucity of potential landing sites. And if the presumed hijacking was intended to be an act of terrorism that murdered all 239 people on board, why fly the 777 six hours beyond the point when the presumed hijackers took control of the cockpit?
While it is certainly possible that the pilots were incapacitated by some event after they turned the aircraft south and the 777 flew on autopilot until it crashed somewhere close to this arc, the fact that the aircraft was obviously being piloted up to that turn south only deepens the mystery.
No conventional scenario accounts for the methodical disabling of the communications systems, the bizarre altitude changes and professional navigation to way points, or the presumed turn south and a flight path that extended to at least 8:11 a.m., almost six hours after the aircraft flew beyond the Malaysian military radar's range.
As noted in my previous entries on Flight 370, it is possible that the U.S. Navy's SOSUS (Sound Surveillance System)(Wikipedia) may be active in the region of interest. According to this article on the Sound Surveillance System (SOSUS), an advanced version was put in place in the mid-2000s.
On 26 April 1999 Lockheed Martin Corp., Manassas, Va., was awarded a $107,031,978 firm-fixed-price contract for Phase II of a deep water, undersea surveillance system. This system is a long life, passive acoustic surveillance system that can be configured for multiple mission applications. It has the capability to provide long-term barrier and field acoustic surveillance, long-range acoustic surveillance coverage of open ocean areas, and acoustic surveillance in areas with high ambient noise. This contract contains one option, which, if exercised, would bring the total cumulative value of this contract to $153,234,288.
Although there is no public indication that the SOSUS system detected an acoustic signal that could have been Flight 370 crashing into the sea, we can anticipate that no public announcement would be made. Rather, various naval assets would be directed to search in the appropriate area.
Unfortunately, even if the black box is recovered, we may never know what transpired in the cockpit from 1:00 a.m. on, as the black box only records the previous two hours of cockpit voice data (it records 25 hours of other flight data). If the aircraft was on autopilot those last two hours (or was flown by a silent human pilot), there may well be little record of events in the cockpit prior to the two-hour mark.
It increasingly appears to be a mystery that will never be solved with any certainty.
My previous entry on Flight 370:
Finally, a Plausible Scenario of What Happened to Flight 370 (March 17, 2014)
Thanks to Roy M., M33 and others for correcting my egregious error on the map.
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What commi's the Australians are... Getting their PM to comment on it... Really ?
External fire would cause you to climb as high as you can. It's also the same reason you descend as fast as you can, to put it out.
having my tires rotated this am and the owner says that flt 370 will come back to haunt us. what is it about a missing plane that warrants a moment of conversation? btw, no planes hit the world trade center
The events read like a checklist specifically for putting an aircraft beyond forensic recovery.
1 Fly just beyond Malaysian airspace
2 Go dark, switch off the transponder and also switch off ACARS
3 Turn back into Malaysian airspace
4 Overfly the nearest port of safety
5 Navigate through various navigational waypoints
6 Plot a course away from landmass, and out over the open ocean
7 Steer around various over horizon RADAR systems including Diego Garcia.
8 Skirt the outer range of Australia’s Jindalee system
9 Stay airborne using every drop of fuel to maximise the recovery distance.
Suggests to me that somebody was deliberately trying to put this plane and whatever was onboard beyond the reach of any rescue and recovery efforts.
Where the aircraft apparently finally splashed down is an area of Ocean that is 2,400km from the nearest search and rescue capability (Perth), the water depth is 10,000ft which is beyond the reach of all but a few ROV's, and the ocean swell this time of year is 20m building to 40m in June / July (winter time). No vessel can overboard any kind of subsea equipment in that kind of sea state.
If you wanted to avoid recovery of the aircraft this is the single best location anywhere on the planet.
When are they going to release the cargo manifest?
b,b,but, there's also a north arc, no?
Are we given up on that?
If you believe what Edward Snowden says then I suggest you just look at where five eyes assets are searching.
If this was an organized theft, it could've stopped to refuel. Just thought I'd throw another monkey wrench on the pile.
Plus the fact you have to assume all these purported 'facts' are, in fact, facts. I'm way too jaded to believe reports when the situation gets as complex as this.
I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens....
CNN said it was a Black Hole.
Really...
I'll take alien abductions for a $1,000, Alex
JAL 1628 mothership back for better pickings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_incident
Dup
To solve this mystery, and before using pencils, rulers and maps, we need to start with reliable satellite and radar data of the position of flight 370.
We do not know if we have that.
It is unclear how this writer thinks that flight 370 could reach the area southwest of Australia but not possibly reach Diego Garcia.
Cui bono? Who benefits from this circus? Looked at in that way the culprit is obvious. CNN ratings have been through the roof ever since this started. So CNN somehow arranged the whole thing.
Dear gentlemen,
It seems to me, this is also a possibility:
Same problem as with many hijack theories: in this scenario it would have been in the captain's interest to have as much publicity as possible, not as little.
The plane was diverted and crashed in a way that made it seem to simply disappear, requiring signficant expertise. In all likelihood this was pilot suicide, deliberately turned into mystery. The head pilot's recent mindset, events and life insurance status is the most interesting things to be checked.
This article flippantly discounts the most likely theory. As do most ZHs. Because it's more fun to imagine MH370 being abducted by aliens, rather than the sad mundane truth: The head pilot was fucked up in the head and did this.
Ran amuk, IOW (possibly with a side-dish of blackmail). I agree.
Marvin the Martian did it.
He was pretty clever in the old Bugs Bunny cartoons.
I'll take wormholes, also for $1000.
Stop saying that. You're just giving the aliens ideas!
Now do those arcs indicate the possible flight paths or extents? What I mean is, are they a line the plane followed or are they a limit to where the plane could have been and still be heard by the satellite? If the latter, then the plane really could be anywhere between the lines and the satellite. That's a big area that isn't being searched which just happens to include my favorite conspiracy site, Diego Garcia.
The debris search is just a bogus decoy.
The CTBTO (Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization) said earlier in the week that they didn't pick up any infrasound data signals that would represent a crash, disintegration or explosion of a plane. The CTBTO uses a global network of infrasound stations to monitor the earth for atmospheric explosions.
Last weekend the CTBTO analyzed the infrasound monitoring data from the nearest International Monitoring System (IMS) laboratories around South East Asia, the Indian Ocean, and Australia, as well as International Data Center (IDC) bulletins.
Bottom of Page 1: "IDC bulletins and interactive review analysis results for all stations located within 5000km from the search area did not provide any detection or trace of signals related to the missing flight MH370."
Middle of Page 1: "For flight MH370 to be picked up by IMS infrasound network at regional or global distances, it could mean that it crashed, exploded or disintegrated. However it would likely not be possible to draw any definitive conclusion based on remote infrasound recordings alone."
One of their listening stations I04AU is near Perth so very near that bogus crash site. I04AU is the SHANNON INFRASONIC ARRAY REFERENCE POINT. Its an IDC infrasonic station.
See link below for the CTBTO report.
http://www.ctbto.org/fileadmin/user_upload/public_information/2014/IDC_i...
Here is the CTBTO announcement on March 17 via the UN, since they are part of the UN.
"The Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization, based in Vienna, otherwise known as CTBTO, confirmed over the weekend that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far. Airplane accidents may be detected, depending on individual circumstances, by three of the four technologies used by the CTBTO's International Monitoring System."
As well as identifying atmospheric explosions, they are "also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water."
http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/2014/03/vienna-treaty-body-say...
Ironically, the CTBTO also have a station on Diego Garcia
So this was an act of heroism? Possibly disposing of a WMD?
It does look that way.
Would the Aussie radar been able to distinguish a landing on an island in Indonisia followed 30 mins later by a takeoff for at sea burial.
Yes, it sure can, Indonesia falls within the optimal footprint for contact reception even during degraded ionospheric conditions. JORN easily observed a Cessna 172 doing circuits in Dili in East Timor in 1999, and it's detection and tracking sensitivity has reportedly been increased by at least ten times since then. East Timor is in the middle of the Indonesian Archipelago. It sees basically the whole of South East Asia with that sort of clarity. There was some talk of JORN being able to track timber fishing boats in SEA (that was the ADF's development plan in about 2005), but the ADF is now denying that this was achieved (even though they were confident that could be done). As I understand it, JORN can detect both aircraft and boats via their bow wave or wake turbulence. Apparently it detected and tracked North Korean missile tests across the Sea of Japan prior to 2006 via their missile plumes.
Keep in mind, South East Asia is very sensitive to the Australian spying capabilities, since Snowden's revelations about what Australia had been doing, in that regard. So since 2013 all such tech is not being talked about at all.
Oh yes, here we go again; element is going to 'school' us ..
Your creds again are???
You seem up set, tampon leak?
Keep in mind JORN sees LOTs of clutter too, dear. Esp on tangential paths .. it ain't a cure-all sweetheart.
What's up? Was the MIC upset over your poor form on the Faraday cage issue and cancelled this month's bonus cheque? The gripes you flap about have already been covered in earlier pages, sometimes several times. Try to keep up.
Agreed. More questions than answers.
And yes, if you were going to ditch a plane without being detected, as well as still on the red 'ping' line, then this would be the spot.
What was already strange just got stranger.
IF the jet did crash in the Southern ocean then it never really was out of OTHR range because the effective range is much greater than the officially-claimed optimal range for reception, in degraded ionospheric conditions. So it would have been observed the whole way. Plus any attempt to flank around JORN would definitely have set off someone's alarm. Despite the distance from land, that is all Australian national airspace right out there, and even well beyond it. So that airspace is monitored for intrusions. JORN has also been used to detect foreign factory fishing vessels even further from Australia in what is still Australian national territorial waters, and those get apprehended. So that area is watched.
So if a pilot did try to sneak past unseen they would have still been seen anyway.
That is why I was suggesting the stop and go scenario both confuses and distracts. No way to prove if my conjecture has legs, but the JORN site will have seen the let down.
If they did no one will ever see the tracking log.
another thing is sticking in my craw. If the aircraft is in the IO why the changes in course, who cares if you are on Radar if you are hitting the water at some point.
My scenario makes sense unfortunately I think they will find bodies in the IO but the Captain will not be recovered and assumed dead. He popped up to Fl 45 depressurized, had his own O2 changed course. Landed on an island or temp airflield off loaded cargo set aircraft for takeoff and steped away, and we will never know.
Wherever they stopped is clean now. Brutal. Talk about being treated like sheep.
So basically you figure it was the cargo all along.
The passengers and crew were in the way.
The jet itself was irrelevant, it just needed to be disposed of, to both remove evidence, and as a distraction and to sew confusion in the get away.
So the pilot could fly out of there in another aircraft, or in a ship, with the cargo?
Looks possible Payne.
Very well said. Aussies might not release all the information even to the CIA. There has to be doubts mounting in the minds that still work.
Well let's see if it is 777 wreckage or a whale carcass.
Even if it is the 777 it won't prove how it got there. If there are no Aussie radar sightings then it highly suggests they are lying about that or they are lying about not knowing how the plane got there via a different route.
If and only if they were OPERATING.
Do you have any confirmation of this? A simple SW receiver could tell ya ...
If you are going to snivel and whine at least do the reading, I already wrote this:
Be civil next time.
you are RIGHT, it is a deep ,deep ( could be at 10,000 ft)mystery
Nothing new....
The answer as of today remains: "cause unknown". The only consistent fact is that there is no evidence what-so-ever to point at any single causality. It is just as likely to be any number of explanations. The fact that they turned may have a simple explanation but unfortunately we aren’t privy to that explanation. I can tell you that, having sat in cockpits with things going to sh*t in a hurry, we here outside of that cockpit on that night are not in any position to judge the crew of this flight. In this case the lack of data prevents US from drawing any conclusions.
I wish the Malaysians and the world community had handled this tragedy better from the beginning but we are all subject to our limitations and frankly this is really quite unprecedented. So, once again, everyone take a deep breath and let the sleuths work the case step by step.
Pray for the families...
Why do you believe they avoided ground based radar like Diego Garcia? If someone did something dastardly like 9/11 then couldn't someone also perform this act and lie about it? From any landing around the Indian Ocean the plane could have then been remote controlled to the place they are looking now for the very purposes you state - to make recovery as hard as possible.
Most likely the cargo manifest will not tell us anything. Word is that when known large shippers send aircargo it is not inspected, at least not thoroughly. What the cargo manifest probably lists is what the shippers stated. Unless the plane is found intact we'll never know what was on it.
Yes.
But then: don't we all know the most sensitive/valuable items are not mentioned in the cargo manifest?
Typically, those items are the first NOT to mention.
"Truth" will come out, or not. Sad as it is.
I'm as confused as you are. How does any of this information eliminate Diego Garcia?
Methinks they're trying a bit too hard to eliminate DG.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080409223058AAS1a0s
Diego Garcia was my first suspect, and it seems the entire "search" has been a deliberate exercise in pointing in every direction but that one, even though it's smack in the middle of the range of suspected flight paths.
Diego Garcia is my bet also. if it wasn't so macabre it would be interesting to see opinion odds on a platform like Betfair showing suggested locations, just to see where the short odds converge
-1 Billion
Massive FAIL.
Ping from Inmarsat IOR bird in NO way allies with this 'theory'.
ID 10T
It's looking even more like it. After taking remote control of MH370 with an AWACS jamming the surrounding military radars the aircraft was remotely flown to Diego Garcia with the passengers and crew 'renditioned'. Plenty of time to refuel, remove the black boxes and then subsequently fly the aircraft to this remote location in the Southern Indian Ocean (probably put the non-interesting crew and passengers back on the aircraft). Cue the release Aussie Satellite images, etc. If the wreckage it is ever found the real cause will remain hidden in speculation and conspiracy forever.
The Rolls Royce engine data transmissions, which never stops, would hold the key but any demands for answers on this has disappeared from the MSM's talking points after the first day or so of this tragedy. Also, the five eyes have been tracking all of this but the full sweep will never be released due to national security concerns.
Seems to be working according to the plan.
Exactly! Once the aircraft landed in DG, the 25T of gold was offloaded. Meantime, all aboard were told that the malfunctioning equipment which caused their diversion in the first place, was being fixed by the kind USAF. After a suitable "repair interval" transpired, with the 777 refueled, all of the non-essential passengers and crew reboarded, the aircraft sent off, presumably back to KL. However, the uninterruptible autopilot was now running the show, and when the deepest IO water was finally reached, the craft coincidently runs out of fuel.
When it comes to big gold, the US government wants to get their paws on it as bad as any other conspirators.
It doesn't. To my interpretation of things, that is still the most likely location where this 777 could have been landed, where discretion and the required military assets needed (i.e. AWACS) to mask Flight 370 from radar are co-located. All this talk of an oceanic crash is gobbledeegook unless someone is suppressing the fact ELT signals have been received. I tend to think that is unlikely, as the ELT or black/orange boxes broadcast the signal in a way that means it could be picked up by anyone with capable equipment. We must also not forget that there were 240 people on board, of which it would not be unreasonable to speculate at LEAST 75 of them had active cellular devices. All of them mysteriously silent and shockingly untraceable in the era of modern smartphones? I would not be surprised at all if NSA could track every one of those units, down to actual GPS data.
This article deosn't mention the multiple eyewitnesses in Maldives (check the map) that saw a plane matching the desccription of MH370 flying north to south. Towards DG.
US still not off the suspect list. US intelligence (NRO, NSA, CIA) knows exactly what happened and they aren't talking.
Those witnessses are worthless in view of the tech data available ...
Who ya gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes? Attaboy, here's a cookie.
I still say a nuclear weapon on board was designed to take out Beijing and decapitate China, all civillian and military leaders gone, like taking out the last emperor. USA loves nuking the Asians. With the head off all financial obligations of USA to China, poof gone, and we go in and secure on trillion dollars worth of GOLD. We have plenty of bases and the Koreans and Japs to take control of the headless China. The pilot was probably in on it, Muslim and anti Chinese, maybe he thought he was going to crash into a building or something. I think the Chinese got tipped off by some Russian leads and the USA diverted the flight. The peeps were killed by decompression, plane landed diego garcia, nuclear weapon offloaded, the plane then crashed further away in Indian Ocean.
It's funny. I can upvote the people who replied to you but your buttons are stuck. +1 all the same.
Whenever the 1st line of text starts with "italic text..... the voting is suspended.
I postulate that the Aircraft was landed in Indonesia off loaded and launched without PIC for at sea burial.
People read a few of the more informed posts, element for one. There was no fire ! I am or was a Search and Rescue Instructor.
Possible.
and the 239 people were just machine-gunned and buried in a mass grave?
Couldn't the plane have risen to 45,000 feet and then decompressed to knock out/ kill the passengers -
No need to worry about phone calls then when the crew and passengers are left in zero oxygen for 15 minutes.
My thoughts exactly! Hit with a missle perhaps? Maybe the communications were jammed by an outside source (if that's even possible).
At first I thought it was a government's military scramble gone "oopsy" hence the cover-up and play-dumb (play, lol) routine by "officials."
Now I am starting to believe that is was an intentional military action; with the intention of starting a war between nations x and y. That's why the psychopaths in charge are covering this up/ dragging it out; to buy time to bury this cleanly...
but what does coon know
So why no mayday call in this scenario does'nt explain why the comms were disabled?
Freescale people on board were headed to sell new electronic warfare secrets...US military shot the plane down.
Seems as feasible as any other theory.
Yes. This is where the real investigation is (or rather should be).
Though I'm sure we will hear little about it from here on out.
moved
some thoughts that I cant seem to grasp around
- Assuming the plane didnt crash. What happened to the people and flight attendants on board. They were surely not IN on this plan. Remembered what happened to the passengers on one of the planes on 9/11. they fought for their lives knowing what was going on. Either they were gased or poisoned to make them incapacitated.
- these delays in news dissemination only makes it more suspicious that attention is diverted to the wrong places on purpose by authorities. Every country involved was allocating resources to the wrong location allowing other countries military or even the plane itself to maybe go to other places undetected.
- honestly, its been over 10 days already. the plane could have went unnoticed and landed somewhere by now, offloaded the kidnapped passengers who were probably gased or poisoned, refuelled the plane and then crashed it somewhere and the whole world may think everyone perished when a select few targeted passengers didnt actually die (Freescale R&D team anyone?)
- also, if they can locate a shark via GPS (check this site out http://www.ocearch.org/) why dont they put something like this on the outside of a plan where it cannot be removed. Dont give me the radar/satellite excuse that it cant detect anything over water because if we can track a 4m shark in the atlantic, I am sure we can track a huge fuckin plane.
Maybe there weren't any "people," meaning average folks, on board. Maybe everyone on board was intelligence, military, or engineers bound by top-secret confidentiality agreements. So they fly the plane somewhere, to Diego Garcia or other secret military base, unload the people, then transport them over a few days time in routine military transport to other locations scattered about the world.
They are all part of the mission (whatever it is) and don't talk about it if they want to keep their jobs, benefits, and pensions. Most of them don't know what the real mission is, and never see the other passengers again, except their own small sub-team.
Kansas City shuffle in play: "Hey, look over there!!" -where?- "Oh, nothing, go back to sleep."
A rogue nation shot that plane down to instigate a war and the powers-that-be don't want that to happen (they thrive on the threat of war, but don't want to actually risk ever losing their position) Is this why most "Western" governments are so keen to cover this all up? They know that the people of nation x, would surely cry for war, if they knew that nation y was responsible for this??
I have to agree with Chas. --- while it is possible we were given completely erroneous aviation data, going by the aviation data were were given, plus the accompanying facts that Capt. Shah's family moved out (not kidnapped, not a broken marriage, simply were relocated elsewhere) the day before he took off on Flight MH370, plus his grown daughter flying in from Australia, then also disappearing from sight, plus those calls to passengers' cell phones aboard MH370 from their Chinese relatives, who stated that they hear their phones ringing although they went unanswered (should have gone to voice mail if cells were submerged, etc.) strongly suggests a well-planned excursion elsewhere --- so well-planned one naturally thinks of a sky heist, or intel operation.
I'm not detracting anything from the captain's reputation, I have all the respect for this maverick be it true (assuming the pax turn out OK), but so far it just doesn't add up to this Australian coastal sighting.
Unless, of course, all that aviation data were were exposed to was wrong . . . .
Mate, he needs all the attention and positive news he can get atm.
Australia's answer to W
The author seems obsessed with this story.
Thursday Morning Humor sponsored by CNN:
CNN’s Don Lemon: ‘Is It Preposterous’ to Think a Black Hole Caused Flight 370 to Go Missing?
11:31 pm, March 19th, 2014
"CNN’s Don Lemon has been entertaining all sorts of theories about the missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, including the chance something “supernatural” happened, but on Wednesday night, he actually asked panelists about the possibility a black hole was involved.
Lemon brought this up along with other “conspiracy theories” people have been floating on Twitter, including people noting the eerie parallels to Lost and The Twilight Zone, and wondered, “is it preposterous” to consider a black hole as a possibility?
***Mary Schiavo, a former Inspector General for the U.S. Department of Transportation, said, “A small black hole would suck in our entire universe, so we know it’s not that.”***
Watch the video below, via CNN:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-don-lemon-is-it-preposterous-to-think-a-...
***Mary Schiavo, a former Inspector General for the U.S. Department of Transportation, said, “A small black hole would suck in our entire universe, so we know it’s not that.”***
Far be it from me to disagree with such an esteemed personage, but I have to question the accuracy of that statement. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it is more ridiculous than Lemon's.
That's the sublime beauty of Richard Quest, Piers Morgan, Don Lemon, Anderson Greyhound Vanderbilt Cooper & Don Lemon all in one studio.
...a real Brain Trust...
Now that I think about it, CNN should hire Dennis Kneale, in order to target & pick off Comedy Central's viewership base.
Don Lemon is queer...
You think he has to pay for it too? Do you think that makes him right or wrong on the blackhole thing?
First Contact.. but who of the panelists is NOT from around here?
I know the location of a small black hole that sucks - he's probably on a golf course right about now.
+ 1million, PRICELESS
I hope that twit meant to say solar system.
Schiavo's universe isn't all that large.
"Every plausible theory about what happened to Flight 370 has to not only fit the most reliable facts (radar tracks and satellite data) but basic geography."
Suppose we don't have any of those -- reliable facts, I mean.
***Mary Schiavo, a former Inspector General for the U.S. Department of Transportation, said, “A small black hole would suck in our entire universe, so we know it’s not that.”***
Clearly brain dead.
Let's be clear, are we saying black hole is too large to fathom, or as the perma-seated jolly good chap at Oxford said: "it doesn't exist"?
She clearly does not have the brain of the jolly good chap.
"Suck in our entire universe"......
I don't know whether to laugh or cry about the level of stupidity in these people..
notice their use of the term "conspiracy theory" and their ridiculous black hole theory. that was on purpose to discredit any other plausible (Diego Garcia/CIA cough, cough) theory
If your entire universe consists of Washington DC criminals, a small black hole would indeed do the job.
I have nothing against attorney, Schiavo, but I do not consider her an aviation expert, although she has written about the industry and the FAA from the financial/economic side, her aviation expertise is nil.
US base in Pine Gap, Australia knows where the plane is.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/flight-mh370-malaysia-wants-access-to-data-f...
NSA in Pine Gap has some serious hardware. I would be very surprised if they don't have SAT tracking of objects in flight over that part of the southern hemisphere. On a clear day (and even not so clear) it would be easy to do. Even at night it's happening now (night vision has been around since Vietnam, think that our Mil. SATs don't have it now?). We track over a million objects in space at all times (down to the size of a small screw), don't think for a second that everything in the sky is not tracked.
SOSUS covers the whole ocean, for submarine listening. It's part of having total awareness / total dominance.
Military knows where this thing is, and exactly what happened to it.
I think you are on the right track with this. Our ballistic missile launch detection satellites are specifically designed to detect thermal data. A 777 puts out a lot of heat at 33k or whatever alt. it was at. Most of that would get filtered if it doesn't meet the launch detection threshold, but I've got money that says the unfiltered data still exists and can be accessed. I think you are right on about the modern SOSUS capability.
I think they know the passengers are dead so why blow your surveillance program? They will wait for some ship or aircraft to "stumble" upon the wreckage or the whole plane itself.
I think you are on the right track with this. Our ballistic missile launch detection satellites are specifically designed to detect thermal data. A 777 puts out a lot of heat at 33k or whatever alt. it was at. Most of that would get filtered if it doesn't meet the launch detection threshold, but I've got money that says the unfiltered data still exists and can be accessed. I think you are right on about the modern SOSUS capability.
I think they know the passengers are dead, so why blow your surveillance program? They will wait for some ship or aircraft to "stumble" upon the wreckage or the whole plane itself.
If only there was one person on board that didn't pay his taxes.... or have a outstanding parking ticket...
THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND THEM AFTER 10 MINUTES!!!
This is one of the strangest stories of the year......its a huge area they are searching....and it shows how hidden we really are....or can be if we want to be...this is a big plane...and it should show up somewhere...on someones radar...I think it has..but for some reason its secret..
http://www.smh.com.au/world/flight-mh370-malaysia-wants-access-to-data-f...
It's a secret. We don't know because they don't want us to know, and that makes us the conspiracy nuts? Fuck'em!
Flight 370 was delivering gold to Beijing, Goldfinger hijacked it and the plane now resides inside his fake volcano hideout.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/flight-mh370-malaysia-wants-access-to-data-f...
After speaking by telephone with US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel on Tuesday, Mr Hishammuddin said the US had "possibly the best ability" to help find the plane. US ships and planes are involved in a 25-country search.
That's really disrespectful. It was Blofeld who had the volcano hideout.
Ernst Stavro Blofeld lost everything in the Cyprus Bank collapse, leased the Volcano hideout to Goldfinger for Bitcoins..
It's just 1/3 of the planet where that plane could be so we can all conclude they're getting close...
RIP
Enough already.
Ahhh.... TPTB have done their job salting the earth.
Full Spectrum Bullshit has won the day.
was there eva any doubt.
Malaysia says data from US spy satellites monitored in Australia could help find missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 but the information is being withheld.
Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein has asked the US to share information obtained from the Pine Gap base near Alice Springs, reports the government-controlled New Straits Times newspaper.
Authorities in Kuala Lumpur say finding the plane depends on the willingness of several countries to share potentially sensitive radar and satellite data.
Zero Hedge has no comment?
Time to pull the story (move it to page 3). Someone brought up Pine Gap again, shit!
ZH is such a punk!
MH-370 Punk'd by a Unicorn you have to wonder, ...
why all the NEO-CON's and talking populism, all the while the CHINESE/USA/ISRAEL just pull off 911-2nd ed, and its funnier than hell cuz unicorns love 911-1st ed, but
they act like 911-2nd edition never happened.
Go figure why were being punked on the here & now?
Let's get real
I am a guy from "East Asia"
The plane was diverted by the pilots and by hacks. It flew to Diego Garcia, 239 people died.
The USA will use it to kill several million Jews and Arabs in Israel.
That is all. Ask me a question why your masters believe in aliens.
Lol. We have medicines that can help you. Please see your doctor.
I give you a greenie for making me laugh though
Nobody needs to hijack a plane to later use it as a weapon. It's a lot easier to lease or buy one through a front company.
Easier is not synonymous with more effective. In fact, proper use of a false flag depends on establishing in the febrile mind of the booberati the idea that a 777, unaccounted for, lurks 'out there' ready to be used as a weapon.
When it explodes over a city or crashes into the Supper Bowl even the simplest of rubes can see who the enemy is - especially after the passports are found in the debris of the pretzel concession and the obligatory murky video.
*Supper Bowl purposely misspelled to express contempt.
Stupor Bowl.
cuz half the country is loaded before during and after.
+ 10 for booberati
There's absolutely no paper trail with a stolen aircraft. Next 9/11 will involve a real plane.
Nobody needs to steal a 777 to kill millions, all you do is nab an ISRAELI drone, and load it with aerial SUTERRA, which is an iso-cyanate encapsulated airborne pill, the drones delivers the bio-weapon anywhere on earth from 40,000 feet silent, and stealth if you wish.
The release of the iso-cyanate is 1 day to 6 months the bio-weapon could be anything plague, TB, AIDS, ZOMBIE, HOMO, they have it all now.
First use of the airborne system was STERILZATION, south america, central, africa, and middle east it has been deployed.
The release airborne of the micro sized pills is inhaled by humans, depending on iso-cyanate coating the release is 1 day to 6 months, for those who don't know iso-cyanate is also "CRAZY GLUE".
GOOGLE "SUTERRA" and "STEWART RESNICK" a Trillionaires who owns the top-secret bio-weapon company.
Nobody is going to nuke anything or blow up property, all killing now will be done with slow-release bio-weaons, and ISRAEL controls the whole fucking biz,
This is just sad, I keep thinking of the adults on that flight and what they were going thru and the handful of children that were with them. One more thing, these filthy yellow midgets that run those turd world countries deliberately sat on information to protect their own images of themselves and avoid embarrasment. Far as I'm concerned, all those ugly little subhumans are good for is watering trees on a rubber plantation. Plane's transponder goes off and every radar oeprator in the area is not on high alert is beyond belief.
Yeah. those brown, red and yellow midgets who got blown up by white midgets on orders of a coffee midget
You make racism sound reasonable lol.
However it is cultural. Poor peoples are often ashamed of their backwardness and their ignorance and lack of resources.
Of course they want to hide their shitty radar data and coverage gaps and lack of coordination among agencies.
The nice thing is that when their militaries see something unusual they dont just blow it up. They ignore it. They know their governments are so incompetent that it is proly a flight they werent told about.
Sounds like a nice peaceful area without excessive "competency" in government.
And how many assholes sat on their hands in the US on 9/11? Those airplanes should have been intercepted-
fighter jets scrambled- long before they got close to their targets.
"Just following orders, sir." Following orders. The battle cry of the modern man.
"Does the order still stand, Vice President Cheney?" You're damn right it still stands.
And fuck your racism too.
I don't know, I liked the part about watering rubber plantations.
The usa say it is believed to be in the ocean "somewhere"
In a few more days if it is "accidentally" found we will know for sure the awesome power of our surveillance. Not a bird flies in the sky nor a citizen farts into the wind without it being recorded in the Utah data center lol.
saw a documentary on TWA flight 800, last night, guys on the investigation team from NTSA, FBI who were stopped cold told to shut up and how the head of the investigation lied and lied, evidence taken literally out of hands of investigatiors with comments like:"you never saw that"...once lies of such size are successful it just becomes SOP, economy and ue is great, putin is a villian, 911 was done by alqueda rag head strip joint junkies...gov only job is to lie to us and you better like it. oh and kennedy was shot by oswald with a shitty rifle no one else can hit a barn door with.
Amen to everything, brother. Well said.
The MSM speculation and theories about what happened to this plane are getting more absurd by the minute.
The MSM eats this shit up and so do the sheeple. It's a fantastic diversion/distraction from the bankster and government criminals.
With the shit going down in China now and the taper oh not to forget the Ukraine good point
I prefer to speculate on crypto-currencies. Bitcoin is headed down as is gold.
If the passengers did not survive then I don't want to hear any more about this crap because it won't be the truth in any case.
Sorry, still not caring.
Magician's trick: watch over here while the sleight of hand pulls the caper.
All the while David Rockefeller and Lord Rothschild have turned my country into a free range prison.
At least they are still feeding us and we get plenty of fresh air.
you can't taste or smell the radiation
That reminds me of this quite recent article on a Rothschild/Rockefeller joint venture.
Title: Rothschild and Rockefeller families team up for some extra wealth creation
"The transatlantic alliance cements a five-decade acquaintance between the now ennobled Jacob Rothschild, 76, and David Rockefeller, 96, the grandson of the ruthlessly acquisitive American oilman and philanthropist John D Rockefeller."
“We’ve known each other for a long time, they have a good business,” said Lord Rothschild yesterday. “We haven’t got a presence in the US and this brings together two formidable names in finance.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9300784/...
Cacete
Good catch. I love the quote by Rothschild: "We haven't got a presence in the US..."
Yeah, right, except for that whole, you know, Federal Reserve thing.
I think that the plane landed somewhere under nefarious, premeditated conditions. I also believe they were aided in the deception by government/military entities.
There are too many unusual facts that would otherwise be explained if it simply was an accident or malfunction that caused it to crash into the ocean.
Has anyone demanded an apology for the use of the term "Black Hole" yet?
One downvote--that must be the guy
777 has electrical problems that can cause a fire. The media has been reluctant to report this. So what happened was probably that an inflight fire disrupted proceedings, followed by a decompression at altitude. The autopilot would not have been disengaged throughout the whole time, though following waypoints in the database.
Yep - the likely scenario. Fire and/or some unknown issue caused comms to drop out, autopilot engaged, slow climb to 45k as everyone inside is dead, then slow descent to 23k and then the final plunge. Something went wrong and the plane crashed. Happens once a year or so, even to ' one of the safest aircraft in commercial use.' - a meaningless phrase. Every aircraft frame that ever crashed for the first time, they ALL had excellent safety records at the time of the crash. That's what happens when the first airframe goes down. Prior performance is no guarantee of future returns. Assuming it is due to the pilot is normalcy bias.
Are you sure you're talking about 777, not 787? Dreamliner had major issues with batteries and fires. Haven't read much about 777 problems since that plane got introduced.
One flaw with the fire theory is that nobody has explained yet just how a fire ignites either in the undercarriage (tires) or in the walls (electrical wires). Electrical fires don't just happen out of nowhere.
long takeoff roll, underinflated front tire = nasty smokey blaze
It was spotted going north by tomrod satellites and flying at about 5000 ft which would be below radar and sonar coverage over Malaysia.... Also jives with stories of Malaysian locals seeing a low flying jet in the area.
How far north and where the plane actually wound up who knows right now but I would bet the Chinese do and as far as we know they ain't talking period. Looks like the Chinese really pissed off the Uigher's really good as of late...
This is all bullshit smokescreen stuff because fact of the matter is it is the only region they can search since they would need Chinese authorization to go into places like Xinjaing and the Chinese absolutely do not want them in there for various reasons.
One does not steal a plane whether the pilot was in on it to commit suicide or crash a plane when flying the thing for 7 hours after the fact and purposely disabling comm systems and flying under radar coverage. That is a lot of time to have second thoughts, they knew where they were taking the plane to. Remember all those phones should online on their QQ instant messenging accounts......
A plane flying at a low enough altitude over chinese airspace with Chinese citizens on it with chinese cellphones should close enough distance wise for those cellphones if they were on to get a signal as it passed near towers in the region....... They know exactly where the fuck the plane went at least as long as it stayed in their airspace without radar coverage. They can come up with an approximate flight path based on the information sent out from those phones. It is quite simple actually just need the timestamps and what towers they trying to communicate through for the phones and plot it on a map......
If the NSA is really that fucking good and on their game they already have all that information and have written the briefs for the appropriate people by now. If they aren't well... Either way the Chinese would have this info for obvious reasons and unless their intelligence services are totally incompetent they would have went right to that phone metadata to do just this sort of analysis in the first place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5os4NFeKFFs&feature=kp
tks CK. missed hearing that song after all these years
I'm still confused about the missing plane. Maybe more than ever.
quick get this ZH article to CNN stat...
I don't buy it. Still waiting on additional analysis from Courtney Love.
Theory? Pilot made to hijack airplane to obtain rumoured gold shipment? political protest? He turns off communications, and heads to 45,000 feet where he depressurizes the aircraft to kill off the passengers (they either freeze to death, or die by carbon monoxide poisoning) but he muffs things up. Either he underestimated his ability to withstand the cold or something else happens that he didn't account for, and he winds up dead shortly after most of the passengers die. Plane flies for several more hours on autopilot, eventually crashes somewhere.
Prediction? When they find the airplane they will find the pilot strapped into his seat with the oxygen mask on.
Why do I have a thumb drive I got at Office Depot for $9.99 in the clearance rack next to the register that can hold up to 1000 hours of voice memos from my iphone yet a modern multi million dollar aircraft can only hold 2 hours of cabin voice recordings?