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Mapping Every "Vanished" Plane Since 1948

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Some 83 aircraft have been declared “missing” since 1948, according to data compiled by the Aviation Safety Network. The list includes planes capable of carrying more than 14 passengers and where no trace — bodies or debris — has ever been found.



Source: Bloomberg


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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:06 | 4575356 Vampyroteuthis ...
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We are so proud of our technological achievements, but still can't find a lost plane.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:11 | 4575373 Dr. Engali
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How do you know for sure that it's lost? Or that we really want it 'found'?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:13 | 4575382 Mister Kitty
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Those poor people are dead.  Let's not get caught up in conspiracy theories.  Bitches.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:24 | 4575412 Dr. Engali
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First of all here at the Hedge it's bitchez! And secondly, why don't you try contributing something real to the conversation instead of a link to your blog? Maybe people will take you a little more seriously.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:53 | 4575449 Quus Ant
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Blog or not- how could you not take someone seriously who posts under the moniker "Mister Kitty"? 

I envisage a pussy with a mustache.  Something like this:


Screams credibility.  I'd let that pussy hold my keys anyday.

Quus Ant out.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:13 | 4575553 Skateboarder
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Let's cut to the chase... it was aliens.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:15 | 4575559 Pinto Currency
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MH370 has flown over and disappeared into one of the deepest trenches in the ocean southwest of Australia.

It is there.

Nothing to see here folks. 

Move along.

Now how about the March Madness final 16?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:51 | 4575566 Quus Ant
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It is about to disappear down the memory hole if that's what you mean.

Only to be brought up at awkward family dinners by that weird uncle who eats all the pie. 

If you don't want to be said guy, best 86 the thing as well. 


And take it easy on the pie.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:19 | 4575691 caustixoid
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Brilliant observation.    Only the crazy, it seems, are unable to eject all previous knowledge and replace it with what the TV said today.

I'm that weird uncle. People keep wanting me to shut my pie-hole.  Which gets me more pie.  Which is good, because I'd rather eat pie than listen to drones talk about what the TV just said.  Might be why I'm getting fat.  Thanks for the advice.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:06 | 4575762 Pinto Currency
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The Jindalee radar would have tracked this aircraft in real time but we are now hearing about suspicious items spotted by satellite in the midst of a massive ocean garbage gyre off the west coast of Australia over top of a 25,000 ft. deep ocean trench 2 weeks later?

Too big an area and too deep for the aircraft to be found in the near term.

And the announcement is by the Aussie Prime Minister because nobody else has the stomach for this b.s.?

Perhaps reality is a bit more real.

I would bet that the aircraft is sitting in hangar somewhere before believing this political construct.

After Weapons of Mass Destruction, I'd think that we all need a bit better fact set than Abbott's presentation.


Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:21 | 4575811 zhandax
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From the admittedly piss-poor image I saw, that 'debris' looked remarkably like an ocean freight container.  Agree with the PM theory.  This whole charade fails the sniff test.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:45 | 4575828 Pinto Currency
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Aussie rules question period as PM Abbott grinds the gears hunting for reverse:

Translation "We owed it to the MH370 families to emotionally whipsaw them and shift the search all over hell's half acre.


Too bad for Abbott that the woman to the left of him has a brain, a b.s. detector, and a vein of decency:

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:30 | 4575876 caustixoid
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Just watch "House of Cards".  Pretty much every character makes Walter White look like a choir boy.   Rings WAY more true than "the West Wing".    I can't watch a politician say anything now without realizing it's 100% grade A bullshit, without exception.

rule by psychopaths

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 07:26 | 4576037 GetZeeGold
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Freescale Semiconductor....and the covert hardware.


The course was plotted for Diego Garcia......I'd look there first.


So I'm supposed to believe the engines ping the satellites just once an hour.....OK.....whatever.

So what's this about a certain retired General on Hannity talking about Boeing contacting an airline dispatch warning an airliner losing oil pressure to not idle the engine on landing so it didn't lose all pressure and destroy the engine?


Welcome to the black op dopeshow.


Don't bother asking Boeing where the plane is....cause I don't they're going to talk...but I bet they've got a pretty good idea.

I would think GPS coords would be part of that data feed....cause why not?

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:26 | 4575820 Element
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The thing that bothers me is it probably led to the downgrade of the search elsewhere, so they better be right about the military-grade sat images seeing something "credible", or this is not going to go down too well.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:48 | 4575889 zhandax
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That's the whole point.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:11 | 4575964 Element
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I just read a story that says 4 planes are still searching the northern arc area.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:09 | 4575960 Nexus789
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Abbott was on a role after he had 'sorted' out Putin

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 09:27 | 4576527 DanDaley
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If you did an audit of 2 places, Ft. Knox and Diego Garcia, you would probably learn that in the first, the gold is missing, and on the second, the plane is there.  

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:21 | 4575802 Quus Ant
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Pie is everyman's god given right. 


But just like not all pie is good- key lime pie I'm looking at you- not all knowledge is good. If we're completely honest this conspiracy shit gets us nowhere.  It isolates us socially and it disempowers because knowing a thing changes no-thing.  Everyone knows Kennedy was killed in a conspiracy and what has it changed? "Sheeple" know this instinctually and flee from isolating, disempowering knowledge while we few, we unhappy few, the damned, cling to our principles.....

and our pie.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:30 | 4575823 Element
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Yeah, OK, but if posting somethind like this helps wake-up a 20-something that marching off to war and honing your mass murder skills, for this system, is maybe a bad idea, then that's not entirely for nothing.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:40 | 4575836 Quus Ant
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Hey, I get it.  I'm neck deep in this shiz too, brother.

But not so far gone I can't take a good hard look at myself and those like me and laugh.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:22 | 4575869 caustixoid
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."

i.e. "ignorance is bliss"

If you're gonna wade into the truth you better get some laughs, get some exercise, get some nature, and choose an absorbable intoxicant "for those big lie days"

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:48 | 4575897 zhandax
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Sounds like we share a similar philosophy, although I need to work on the exercise part more.  Seems I have been turned into a desk potato the last couple of years.  There are several people at work I have turned on to ZH who told me two weeks later, 'I just couldn't take it anymore.  It's too real.'

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 05:59 | 4576053 Mitzibitzi
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Same here, unfortunately; I'm not a fat bastard but I'm probably carrying 20Ibs I could do without. Too many years sitting in vehicles or at a bench fixing electronic/mechanical stuff, followed by 3 or 4 beers, as there's fuck all else to do on most British military bases. Plus I find most forms of exercise pretty fucking boring. I like walking the dogs, do a bit of canoeing and cycling and do some archery and shooting but going to the gym or swimming pool bores me to death. The wife wants to do more hill-walking/hiking this summer, though, as the two youngest are old enough to keep up now, so we'll see how the waistline does with that.

As big a problem now, though, is the increasing cost of a decent diet. Funny how shit that'll make you fat, clog your arteries and give you diabetes is still relatively cheap, ain't it!

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 07:47 | 4576181 New England Patriot
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How about tennis?

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 09:17 | 4576493 DanDaley
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Tennis is the most neurotic sport ever invented -don't hit it too far to the right or left, don't hit it too far (baseline), but hit it hard enough to get it over the net and hard enough to keep it away from your opponent. Best learned when you are an adolescent and have endless energy and are still dumb enough to chase a stupid ball all over hell-and-gone. Better than golf, though, as you get to hit the ball more than once every half-hour.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 09:18 | 4576498 V in PA
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"The only thing that stops you from reaching your goal is the bullshit story you keep telling yourself" - Saw it on some workout site.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:16 | 4576070 Incubus
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I was a vegetative lard-crop for a long time.


It comes down to will power.  I looked at myself one day and realized that I had enough and that I was disgusted beyond belief with myself.  I haven't looked back.  8 inches off of my waistline since. I don't know how I went all of those years without a compulsion to keep myself in shape. 



Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:46 | 4575936 Element
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Awesome quote, I don't remember ever reading that in the bible so I looked it up to make sure it was there, and was. cheers


One for RM's wall.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 05:19 | 4576027 Wile-E-Coyote
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."

Couldn't agree more, the more I find out the more miserable I get. People around me have no idea what is going on, I have stopped trying to tell them because they just don't want to know.

Ignorance is bliss: Indeed.


Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:40 | 4575932 Element
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I'm laughing too bro. ;-)

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:09 | 4575827 zhandax
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You have obviously been eating key lime pie north of Lake Okeechobee.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 10:56 | 4576908 DeadFred
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I swear I don't eat all the pie! Well maybe all the sweetpotato pie but nobody else likes it and I made it anyway.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:00 | 4575851 laboratorymike
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I thought this was a distraction so we wouldn't think about the Ukraine situation???

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:19 | 4575567 kaiserhoff
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Ya know Tylers, I didn't like this title.  High tech in '48 was vacuum tubes, but it's growing on me, and hell, anything but ilene.  Will the suffering never end?

A DC-3, better known as a Goony Bird, for obvious reasons, is not a triple seven.  But there's a hell of a lot of blue water out there, and like the song says, all it takes is a spark.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:09 | 4575695 thamnosma
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DC-3s were used for lots of black operations in and out of 3rd world proxy wars as well as drug running.   If you needed to land at funky airstrips, that was your baby.  Not surprised some of those got lost one way or another.   Good plane though.

And don't insult vacuum tubes.  i still use them for damn good home audio.  I've got an amp that uses Russian 6C33C tubes, used to be on MIGs.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:06 | 4575708 kaiserhoff
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Hey, I love low tech.  We trade horses with the Amish:)  Learned to fly on a J-3.  How many tail dragger vets do you meet?  Wouldn't mind trying a spit fire.

Never flew a Goony, but I loved to listen to the old hanger rats.  They said "if everything else goes to hell, you can just stick your head out the window, and see where you are."  

Shit fire.  Try that on a triple seven and see what happens.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:10 | 4575799 Ecclesia Militans
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Brother flew a DC-3 from Brazzaville to Kinshasa back in 1995; the plane was flown by a South African pilot who looked like Santa Claus and had a picture of a beer bottle painted on the side.  He entered thorugh the hatch at the rear and walked 'uphill' to his seat, and while flying over the Congo River low enough to smell the water he could look out his window and see the crocodiles.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:33 | 4575826 Element
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The Canadian Caribous were far better, not many of them went missing because they ruled in that domain for decades.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:12 | 4576066 Mitzibitzi
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Yup, another tube enthusiast here, too. Though it's more guitar/synth stuff I build, than hifi. I do have a pretty sweet stereo amp (2+2W) on the bench with 6SN7GTB triode output stages, though. It's not very high fidelity, compared to some designs, but makes a pleasant noise that doesn't tire your ears like the shitty class-D chip-amps most modern consumer audio gear seems to use.

I'm also in the process of rebuilding a 70s Bang & Olufsen turntable. Originally had a reasonably good transistor output amplifier in it but one of the dead transistors is a wierd Ge device that is made of unobtainium nowadays, so I'm reworking it with a tube circuit I found in an real old Mullard applications book I got at a garage sale. Still has a ground loop hum issue that I haven't quite solved but other than that it sounds pretty damn sweet.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 15:30 | 4578173 detached.amusement
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Mullard applications book?  What a great and lucky find!


Mullard XF2 dual halo getters, best EL34 ever made!

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 16:25 | 4578370 detached.amusement
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my sweet lordylord, it takes quite a special loser to troll someone on other threads and junk them for them having told you you're wrong somewhere else.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:03 | 4575630 zionhead
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Gandolf is right, long ago JFK tried to get AZC classified as "Alien Lobbyist", for that classification he was assasinated and the Aliens renamed themselves "AIPAC", the rest is your history.


Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:46 | 4575841 PhysicalRealm
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Aliens makes much more sense than this, but this proves the dumbing down of the US is complete.  According to Billy Graham's Daughter,  the "missing airliner offers a glimpse of a post-Rapture world."

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:21 | 4575867 European American
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"Let's cut to the chase... it was aliens."


Actually, I tend to keep a distance from the subject of "aliens", mainly because I have yet to have a direct experience to that realm, that I'm aware of, but I just got an email from a friend who I would have never thought would send something like this to me. I know, a little "corny", but in this day and age...what it's worth...


March 18, 2014, High Falls, NY.  A comprehensive announcement describing the rescue of Flight 370 has been recorded by LightWeb News.  The plane was suffering hydraulic failure, was in an uncontrolled state, at risk of imminent destruction.  Whisked out of the air in mid-flight, it was taken aboard an enormous spacecraft from Sirius, claimed to be part of the Federation fleet under the Ashtar Command, whose full report is available from LightWeb News.  

Radar pictures confirm the appearance of alien craft and the sudden disappearance of Flight 370. Confusion reigns in the search and rescue efforts because of the astonishing anomaly which points directly to extremely advanced technological intervention.  

Read the full explanation from this source, which cites the connection between sightings of cigar-shaped UFO's in the skies over conflict areas (recently the Ukraine), the capture and safety of the passengers, and a new demand for countries around the globe to participate in initiating NESARA law.  

Commander Ashtar claims responsibility for the rescue and for the demands, in cooperation with the passengers, who have offered to act as "hostages" to bring about immediate world peace.  The entire interview can be obtained by contacting Dr. Kathryn E. May at

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 12:21 | 4577326 simplejustice
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This sounds like something out B.e.e.z.e.l.b.u.b.'s (GD. Spell checker) journal.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:52 | 4576100 samcontrol
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maybe, but probably not..

sometimes I find a lack of logic on Zh on certain topics.

and why are they including the Uruguayos I had lunch with last weekend?

and they where not found, you guys know that ,, two guys just climbed out of the Andes... 10 minutes for a bird can be a long time for one of us aliens .

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:16 | 4575557 Pinto Currency
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Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:29 | 4576081 Papasmurf
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I envisage a pussy with a mustache.

Some call that a landing strip.  (in keeping with the aviation topic)

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:08 | 4575535 TBT or not TBT
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Most of the lost aviators reappeared in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, to the feigned amazement of actors. It is a documentary. Check it out.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:15 | 4575560 gmrpeabody
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Wow..., and I always thought it was only a movie.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:22 | 4575582 kaiserhoff
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Dude, it's a movie, a Jew movie,  that's the only kind.  Don't pee your panties.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:34 | 4575620 TBT or not TBT
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Seriously, it really happened just like that.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:47 | 4575655 kaiserhoff
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I misunderestimated your powers of observation, and yes alcohol was involved.

Party on Dude;)

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:56 | 4575776 indygo55
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And the blog is fuckin stupid at that!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:14 | 4575389 Thought Processor
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Maybe we should map all of the 'TWA 800' type of events back to 1948.


My guess is that the map would have a similar amount of dots on it.



Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:20 | 4575398 Deathrips
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Fuck the plane, who cares? I think its a rope a DOPE! Ill bet a sandwich?


Bigger things in the broiler.



Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:43 | 4575461 Groundhog Day
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I'm in the alien abduction camp....why not it's more entertaining...perhaps the borg

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:02 | 4575517 Deathrips
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Sounds like a sandwich bet? Although, i would not even skip a beat if your right. Youll still get the sandwich.

I didnt junk you.



Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:46 | 4576094 buzzsaw99
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Borg. Interesting. They may have been Ass-imilated.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:50 | 4575477 zionhead
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"Lost in Space" campy show from the 1960's is now


TPTB that control BUAP must be laughing their fucking asses off.

Not since OJ SImpson drove the white car down the freeway have so many lemmings been following CNN in its search for "GARBAGE AT SEA"

As on old sailor and a pilot, I can tell you all, there's INFINITE garbage at sea, ... this show may never end :(


Long ago their was the Philadelphia Experiment, attempt to make a battle-ship invisible, now BUAP can make a 777 invisible, ... you got to admit,... with technology and MSM circus act's the world is pretty fucking enteratained.

That said, we must pity the 1000's of CHINESE people WHO have had thier loved ones murdered in the PAST months by CIA.

All the deaths have been urban, mean one child policy, meaning that every death destroys the family legacy, I know western hairlips don't value human life, but the Chinese think differently.


It's like the PTB that shoved a HORNETS NEST up MAO's ass,

Keep looking south, and keep reading Charles Smith, I have a 777 to sell you in Kazakhstan.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:19 | 4575573 gmrpeabody
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I'll call the clinic to make an appointment for you..., if that will help.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:30 | 4575608 kaiserhoff
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Yes Pea, he is certifiable, (easily done in Virginia), but he has a point.

  Chances are fair to middlin' that the black box will fade into oblivion, and we will never know.

  So around here, that means alien abduction, big foot, or voodoo, roughly in that order

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 09:15 | 4576480 F22
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Has anyone considered that the current search area is the antipode of the Bermuda Triangle?


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:10 | 4575367 dexter_morgan
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I thought the NSA knew everything - why doesn't someone just ask them where it is?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:43 | 4575464 zionhead
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The NSA knows everything about everyones sex-life, and money, and individual physical position, but doesn't really know or care about anything else.


BUAP is out of control of NSA, the JAMMER's used in BUAP are designed to black-out the NSA.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:54 | 4575494 The Fonz...befo...
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The NSA do know see in order for them to be effective..they will need to turn those mics and their assets see right now all that equipment is pointing inwards....towards us...

They can't find the plane but they can tell you how many pounds of fertilizer some farmer buys in some two bit town....

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:46 | 4575650 Boomberg
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NSA can only track flights if aircraft is wifi-enabled AND someone is actively using Facebook. 

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:29 | 4575730 yogibear
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THe NSA is  checking Merkel out as well as collecting dirt on people.

Maybe their busy using the SEC's porn accounts. It gets kind of boring watching someone all the time.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:12 | 4575378 infinity8
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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:20 | 4575386 LetThemEatRand
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How many vacuum tubes were required for a computer in the vast majority of these cases?  Most occurred before we invented plastic.  This strikes me as a "remember your normalcy bias programming" article.  They found the 2000 Air France plane in 5 days.  Everything else occurred before we had a global surveillance network.

Fed Ex and UPS trucks are now tracked by GPS.  You can tell when the driver stopped to take a piss, and how long it took him.  And that's below radar.  The idea that a 777 cannot be tracked by multiple sources is frankly laughable.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:40 | 4575450 zionhead
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The BUAP system takes SEALTH to a higher level.

In the name of blocking out cell phones, the system also paints the airplane BLACK to the entire world so that the terrorists on the ground don't know where the aircraft went.


It's pretty fucking obvious that real time THERMAL imaging satellites know exactly where this aircraft went, after the fact, but that is what we in the biz would be called "NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS"


This entire missing plane and the BOEING take over by 'service center' is right out of Doctor-Strangelove, nobody even knows what the fuck is going on, but you can be damn sure lots of people want WW3.

Until we learn more about who actually is control of this system, then we will never even know which direction to look.

Focussing on 'vanishing aircraft' is BULLSHIT, nothing fucking vanishes, it just may take a long time to find evidence.

But in real time today,... we know WW3 is brewing and the only way it can be stopped is to put a flash light on the assholes .

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:17 | 4575551 Yes We Can. But...
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Speaking of assholes - did you see what happens if you get a little grumpy getting through security at the airport and try to counter that with a bit of levity by joking that you might just - ha ha ha - have a bomb up your ass?  Ha ha ha.

Ya get arrested.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:24 | 4575585 gmrpeabody
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I'm always pushing the envelope with those ass-wipes...

One of these days it will bite me, I'm sure.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:36 | 4575625 kaiserhoff
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My father, (high school grad from back woods nowhere) had a theory.

He said a sense of humor was the one and only sure sign of sanity. 

Tried for many years to improve on that.  Thanks Dad.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:47 | 4575654 A Lunatic
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It's really hard to laugh with a grown man's fist in your ass though........

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 08:51 | 4576390 forexskin
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on the other hand...

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:08 | 4575795 effendi
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If you want to REALLY get attention at the airport just have a few friends greet each other loudly. I had a relative named Jack. These days if you got on a plane and  yelled out "HI JACK" you would find yourself tackled (at the minimum) and the plane evacuated.

Other names you don't want to yell out include GUNN and BOMM.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 14:40 | 4577925 Yes We Can. But...
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Reminds me of an old prank.  Call up a biz, such as a restaurant, ask them to page a Bob Meehoff.  When Bob doesn't reply ask one last favor - could you page his brother Jack, it is urgent?

Jack Meehoff?  Jack Meehoff please.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:39 | 4575748 kaiserhoff
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For a couple of years, just to keep my skills up, I flew search and rescue missions with the Civil Air Patrol, out of College Park, Maryland, which mostly meant whatever shit happened on Chesapeake Bay. 

It's a friggin' salt water lake.  You can piss across it, sailboats like fleas on a dog, but people disappeared, and were never found.  Ask the Navy chiefs about blue water, if you want to know.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:17 | 4575393 pachanguero
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The people are all on hold wait for a operator.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:24 | 4575415 stant
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new boogy man. the doomsday plane. it will never be found. ofically that is

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:24 | 4575416 Mercuryquicksilver
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Those yellow dots will soon be orange dots southwest of Perth..... or not.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:34 | 4575432 zionhead
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More disinformaton ZH troops, don't look at this way, "VANISHED PLANE",

Look at how many planes in the last few years have been LOST by unknow reasons?


There may be more, but to date there are FIVE known planes to have crash by the BUAP system, where satellites have led aircraft using these BUAP ( boeing un-interrruptible autoPilot ) system's.

In summary MH-370 is not the first plane to have gone down with this technology.

This is more circus, first you were told to look SOUTH, now your told to look only at PRIOR vaninishing AIR-CRAFT,

Troops you need to be studying BUAP, and figuring out WHO is in control of the "SERVICE CENTER", it is just Boeing?  Or is it just NSA/CIA, or does CHINA,ISRAEL, USA also have satellite uplink control of BUAP?

Study old lost airplane going back to 1948 is a complete waste of fucking time.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:13 | 4575701 thamnosma
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And the other planes were???  Please, the curious want to know.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:10 | 4575860 zionhead
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By definition we don't know, ... under ice in the artic, at the bottom of the oceans, ... as glaciers melt more will be found

Shit happens, hell galleons are found all the time ... thought lost for 100's of years...

But that's not the fucking issue here, time is of the essence we must find these people before the system erases them

If we could at least get pubic where they were taken, maybe the PTB would be embarrassed just a little to release them,... certainly everyday that goes by means more certain death

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:07 | 4576059 GaryNeville
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When was the last time you left the house zionhead!?

Seriously, go take a walk, preferrably somewhere green where the air is fresh. Have a think about what you want to do with your life.... 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:35 | 4575434 GumbyMe
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If they only had Hawaii Fivo-0, or one of the NCSI teams looking for the plane, it would have been long discovered.

Oh wait, may not! I forgot those are fictional shows to scare the dumb tube watchers into thinking the governement knows what it's doing. At least they're fearful enough not to rise up.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:37 | 4575440 mydogisprettier...
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if you use a crayon and connect the dots.....its resembles yellens pie hole!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:50 | 4575480 sparkydoodle
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Crap! Does anyone know how to get crayon off a computer screen?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:54 | 4575496 Golfjunkie
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The aliens got em....close encounters of the third kind....we will have to wait for them at the Devils Tower to reappear 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:55 | 4575498 dogbreath
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how many had a cargo of gold on board

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:56 | 4576015 Cacete de Ouro
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It's interesting to go back and review how this "ping" data from Inmarsat was supposedly introduced to the investigation, and that it was unnamed US Officials that created those maps of the 2 arc corridors that were distributed out to the media in saturation coverage.

Link below, but first some quotes:

"Late that weekend, Inmarsat's team delved into its databases to retrieve periodic "pings," akin to digital handshakes between the plane, a satellite and a ground station, said an industry official briefed on the investigation."

"It wasn't clear how U.S. officials obtained the initial Inmarsat data, which they analyzed and helped translate into maps."

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:00 | 4575512 One And Only
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Oceanic flight 815

Crazy story. We'll never know that ended.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 08:56 | 4576410 forexskin
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+1 for the LOST reference.

*hint* freckles is now an ELF... i'd give mortality for that

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:06 | 4575523 Cacete de Ouro
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MH370 did not crash. This crash debris story is bogus.

The CTBTO (Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization) said earlier in the week that they didn't pick up any infrasound data signals that would represent a crash, disintegration or explosion of a plane. The CTBTO uses a global network of infrasound stations to monitor the earth for atmospheric explosions.

Last weekend the CTBTO analyzed the infrasound monitoring data from the nearest International Monitoring System (IMS) laboratories around South East Asia, the Indian Ocean, and Australia, as well as International Data Center (IDC) bulletins.

Bottom of Page 1 (see link below): "IDC bulletins and interactive review analysis results for all stations located within 5000km from the search area did not provide any detection or trace of signals related to the missing flight MH370."

Middle of Page 1: "For flight MH370 to be picked up by IMS infrasound network at regional or global distances, it could mean that it crashed, exploded or disintegrated. However it would likely not be possible to draw any definitive conclusion based on remote infrasound recordings alone."

One of their listening stations I04AU is near Perth so very near that bogus crash site, as near as is physically possible to that area. I04AU is the SHANNON INFRASONIC ARRAY REFERENCE POINT near Perth. Its an IDC infrasonic station.

See link below for the CTBTO report.

Here is the CTBTO announcement on March 17 via the UN, since they are part of the UN.

"The Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization, based in Vienna, otherwise known as CTBTO, confirmed over the weekend that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far. Airplane accidents may be detected, depending on individual circumstances, by three of the four technologies used by the CTBTO's International Monitoring System."

As well as identifying atmospheric explosions, they are "also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water."

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:18 | 4575563 zionhead
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BUAP: MH-370 it didnt' crash it was SENT HOME,  order to find where  the plane is at we must determine who is the 'service center' and where its located, in this incident. A 'service center' in DHS vernacular is the satellite upllink point controlling all Airplanes.

Once we know the location, then we know the WHO, once we know the WHO, we can deduce the WHY, and then know the where.


So I ask,... troops find the BUAP 'service center that had control of MH-370.

Where the fuck is HOME? If you were BUAP "service center", given KLM take-off where would you send this airplane.


Lastly the BUAP could have taken control, landed the airplane at sea, neurtralized any witnesses from a sub nabbed Freescale patent holders, killed the rest, and sunk the ship in a deep part of the Indian Ocean. Cleaned up any debris ... end  of history.

But personally I would like to think the plane was sent toward KAZAKHSTAN to be 'found' and justify WW3.


Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:45 | 4575839 Element
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ALERT! A comment with something interesting, rational, and relevant has been posted! Quick, distract and break-up conversation with copious application of unadulterated dumbshitery.  :D

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:05 | 4575856 zionhead
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There are 3 possible service centers for BUAP in the Asian region

They are Singapore, Shanghai, and Merlbourne Australia.


Funny when you think about it, this means that say thailand, or malaysia would have no say, if somebody used this SW to grab their civilian airlines.

It would be really interesting to know the actual international controls of this shit, but my guess it was so fucking secret only the MIL was supposed to know.


Ok, to answer my own question above, if it came from Singapore/Shanhai, that means chinese brought their own plane in, ... that is a far fucking fetch of imagination, but doabl, ... as the CHINESE MSS is infested with zio's.

[ Would/Could the chinese send their own plane to Kazakhstan to make war and steal russian oil? Bigger than libya? Yes, .. but did they? ]

Second is Melbourne ran by CIA, brought the plane into the darwin base, the way BUAP is supposed to work is plane goes black, all SIG-COMM(cell phone/radio) goes dark, dark plane comes in at night into US-MIL base near darwin, nobody would have noticed shit.


Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:01 | 4575944 Element
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FYI, there are no "US MIL" bases in the whole of Australia, they are not allowed in Australia. What exists in a few places are joint facilities within pre-existing military bases, where US forces have been incorporated into AUSTRALIAN MILITARY BASES. The Yanks will not be getting their own separate autonomous military bases within this country any time soon, if ever again. Only countries who are invaded, or else who are expendable strategic pawns end up with US military bases within them.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:14 | 4575958 zionhead
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So your telling that the Kangaroo's are in charge of Pine Gap?

Element we're going to have to start calling your 'kangaroo jack'

CIA has their own Guantanamo in Austrailia

Pine Gap is the commonly used name for a satellite tracking station approximately 18 kilometres (11 mi) south-west of the town of Alice Springs, Northern Territory in the centre of Australia which is operated by both Australia and the United States. Since 1988 it has been officially called the Joint Defence Facility Pine Gap; previously, it was known as Joint Defence Space Research Facility.[1]

Partly run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the U.S. National Security Agency, the station is a key contributor to the global surveillance network ECHELON

Over-Seen by Kangaroos, but RAN by CIA/NSA


I doubt the strip is long enough and paved enough for a 777, at alice springs, but fuck it could be. Me thinks near Darwin more logical.


Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:10 | 4575962 zionhead
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AUSTRALIA will carry some of the cost of housing a 2500-strong US marines ... as part of the US "rebalancing" of its military forces and other resources to the ... Barracks and RAAF Base Darwin to support the US deployment.


The Kangaroo's spend a whopping $1 AUD while the USA spent billions on these AUSSIE bases, who is whose bitch?

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:47 | 4575988 Element
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It is an Australian base. So it is our asset. So yeah, we pay for our bases. Get it?

If your wife wants mother-in-law to come live with you, and you need to build a granny flat to accommodate her, does granny pay for it, or does the asset/RE owner pay for it?

If mother-in-law wants to spend a heap on furniture and fittings plus a new car to get to the shops, that's at her cost.

You can talk warped bullcrap all you want but Pine Gap was set up in the early cold war when Australia was a strategic pawn in a nascent Domino theory view of SEA. The Govts of that classic nuclear doomsday era allowed this to take place.

That changed when former Australian Govts and military said to the US that we either do things together, jointly, or you hit the road and we go nuclear instead - pick one.

Given the brainless mischief and drivel you constantly post there's not much danger of you presenting a valid counterpoint any time soon.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:11 | 4575965 zionhead
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The USA will fight WW2 & WW3 from this beach-head

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:35 | 4575997 Element
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Not USAF Base

Not USMC Base

Not USN Base

Not US Army Base


There aren't any US Bases idiot.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:17 | 4575978 zionhead
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The fact is the MAJORITY of Aussies (HUMANS) are NOT happy at all about the US-MARINE invasion of Darwin.

Secondly, this operation has been planned all along to run the war with IRAN out of this US MARINE base in DARWIN. FACT.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:44 | 4575994 Element
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So ~2,500 Marines (who are yet to arrive) are going to take the fight to Iran from Darwin?


Distance from Darwin To Tehran:

5,337nm, 6,142 statute miles or 9,884 km

Bring a cut-lunch and a thermos UNMC - this could take a bit of time.  :D


Mr Smith said the plan was to have rotations of up to 2500 Marines in Northern Australia in the northern dry season by 2016-17, but the government had not yet made any decisions about arrangements for larger US Marine Corps rotations.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:49 | 4575890 trader1
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zionhead says: "But personally I would like to think the plane was sent toward KAZAKHSTAN to be 'found' and justify WW3."


I'm no christian, but i pray for you.  

i encourage you to seek the advice of a mental health professional.  all your posts are screaming schizoid personality disorder or a mild form of schizophrenia.  

and don't worry about treatment options.  

there is a lot of medical research ongoing into treating these mental illnesses with medicinal cannabis.  

stay positive.  there are brighter days ahead, my friend.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:32 | 4575610 New World Chaos
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I smell a rat.  The Malaysians have been dissembling from day one.  The MSM is dropping chaff.  They say a whole bunch of Asian countries turn off their military radars at night because nobody ever launched a bombing raid at night.  WTF.  They say there wasn't enough fuel to get to Diego Garcia, which is a flat-out lie as can be seen by looking at a globe.  CNN's Don Lemon is talking about black holes and the supernatural.  They don't talk about the Maersk Alabama and the SEALs who died after guarding a mysterious cargo which ended up on the flight.  They don't dig into Freescale Semiconductor either.  Charles Hugh-Smith is right that the last satellite ping eliminates Diego Garcia, but that could be faked... after landing the plane at Diego Garcia. 

To fake the satellite data, they would only need to adjust the timer which controls the satellite pings.  Probably an easy job for someone who knows exactly what he is doing.  They could have this technician waiting at Diego Garcia.  To get the satellite arcs, first figure out the difference between the timestamp on the ping and the time the signal hit the satellite.  Multiply by the speed of light to get the distance to the plane.  There will be a circle of points on the Earth which will be the right distance from the satellite.  Eliminate points on the circle which the plane could not have reached, and points on the circle which were already heavily searched.  Satellite arcs!  Plenty of space to keep the searchers busy in the wrong spots.  There are two main conditions which makes this faking easier: 

1) There must be only one satellite within line of sight of the plane.  Two satellites will narrow the search to two points, both of which will be quickly eliminated.  Three satellites will fail to triangulate it to the surface of the Earth.
2) The one satellite should be approximately over Diego Garcia at the time.  This makes the satellite arcs nowhere near Diego Garcia.  It also becomes impossible for the plane to refuel at Diego Garcia and still have enough time to get to any point on the circle.

Both conditions for plausible timestamp faking were met.

The reports mention other satellite pings but they only gave data for the last one.  Releasing the other pings would show a lot more data about the route, perhaps enough to roughly reconstruct it by eliminating impossible arc points at each step. Why do we only have the data from the last ping?  Because it's the only fake one.  They pulled the plug after that ping went out.  They will send it somewhere else, with fake colors, slightly below another airliner's tail with the transceiver turned off.  It could detonate a huge nuke without anyone even knowing it was there.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:52 | 4575661 zionhead
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Malaysians have been reporting the truth as they know it since day one, it is the MSM that has been spreading rumors,

It's the FBI that wants Malaysia to give up its Soveriegnty,

All this cover, and bullshit,

There is a rat, and Charles Smith is on the list of names of rats.


Here read the Malaysia news and quit watching TV, or CNN, or CNBC, and just read

Malaysian News, and then compare that to the shit FED to you by the ZIO-MSM.



Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:36 | 4575742 dogbreath
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Would you get a different avatar FFS

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:46 | 4575758 zionhead
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Hillary 2016 take a long hard look at your next president,

F 'HRC' Sawyer


Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:23 | 4575871 dogbreath
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Were you Flak in your past life

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:19 | 4575714 thamnosma
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I've read other posts stating the cargo from the Alabama, with the dead Seals, was on MH 370.   Where is that info coming from?  How would it be public knowledge that cargo from Ship A ended up on Flight B?  Or is this just something rattling around on "Before It's News"?

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 05:29 | 4576026 New World Chaos
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It's not public knowledge, because the Malaysians aren't releasing the cargo manifest.  It's all coming from the conspiranoids at this point.  They say they tracked Maersk Alabama cargo to Kuala Lumpur.  This article might be a good place to start (don't know how reliable the source is, but there's no woowoo on the front page).

Let's hope this really is some act of bioterrorism averted and the passengers are in temporary quarantine.  But it all seems too planned, and we know the kind of people we are dealing with.

P.S.  To ensure only one satellite picks up the signal from Diego Garcia even if there are always a few satellites around, they could install a directional antenna, or they could have the plane in a metal hangar with a funnel shaped hole in the roof.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 08:15 | 4576248 Element
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eutimes is in fact one of the dingbat websites NWC, they made up a pile of silly crap back in Aug-Sept last year regarding Syrian gas attack as well, and it was totally fabricated krud and they presented it all as the real thing.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 05:42 | 4576038 Element
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@ New World Chaos

Just to point out that any General Aviation jet with enough international range can fly in a high-yield nuke. They all have more than enough payload to carry a 5 megaton nuke, a couple even. So there is no reason at all, nor incentive to steal an airliner full of people for such a purpose. Numerous GA jets or even civil cargo jets can do that. There are no searches prior to private international flight take-off there are only Customs searches at the destination, or else intel and interceptions by a fighter to prevent it. So any jet or long-range turbo prop can potentially deliver a high-yeild or low-yield nuke (behind sheilding) to any international city or military target (this is one of scores of shocking reasons why a missile defence is a dangerous grand delusion).

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:30 | 4576068 New World Chaos
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Too true.  Should have generalized as a false flag or maybe bioterror, if the Maersk connection is real.  But in my mind the nuke was the first example.  I think the puppetmasters already had other reasons to steal the plane and now they have a big piece of evidence that they need to dispose of without a trace.  If they crash it in the Indian Ocean someone will look for the cargo and realize it was stolen, then what?  But since the puppetmasters do need to start WWIII soon to shift the blame for the inevitable financial collapse, hey, might as well...

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 08:18 | 4576199 Element
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Payne was suggesting in the previous thread (yesterday) that it may have landed in a remote sealed strip in Indonesia, been unloaded of whatever cargo that it carried, then took off again.

That would use up a lot of fuel in this second takeoff and climb out, but if it is also a lot lighter, it still might get the range to the southern ocean without refueling. That seems a viable option.

Not saying I accept it, just saying it could fit what we have.

I would also add the point that piracy was rife in the Strait of Malacca a few years back.

We need to explicitly take on board that the Strait of Malacca is where this jet went off the radar scopes. This could be a distraction created to allow a get-away with whatever the cargo was.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 16:20 | 4581896 New World Chaos
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Corrections, for anyone coming here later:

If the timer is automatically updated by the GPS network, they might have needed to insert a delaying circuit somewhere between the timer and the antenna.  Still easy enough.

The gap between the satellite arcs includes some remote jungle, so the gap must be due to a blind spot of the satellite itself.

The satellite could have been west of Diego Garcia and still served their purposes (but too far southwest and the southern arc might have gone too close to Australia). 

It would be interesting to know if there were other satellites that should have picked up the plane at Diego Garcia or along the arcs.  This could be evidence of shenanigans.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:28 | 4575601 Ms No
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Would like to see a map of the missing private planes carrying politicians, financial leaders, military leaders, prosecutors, attny generals etc

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:50 | 4575602 Pseudonymous
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Three (very) speculative scenarios of what could have happened to MH370 where there are survivors. (true story; full documentary:

Or any combination of the above. Could be an accidental or deliberate landing on some remote island or mountain. And then they just stay there disconnected from the rest of the world for a long time.

Just some food for the imagination.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:11 | 4575651 zionhead
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WW3 GONE HOT - CHINA sends Warships to Austrailia

BEIJING: China is sending three warships to join the search for possible pieces of a missing Malaysia Airlines plane in the southern Indian Ocean, the government said Friday.

The ships are en route to the area where a satellite image showed two large objects floating about 2,300 kilometres (1,400 miles) west of Australia, the National Maritime Search and Rescue Centre said. 

It gave no indication when they might arrive at the remote site, but earlier Chinese news reports said the ships — the Kunlunshan, the Haikou and the Qiandaohu — were searching near the Indonesian island of Sumatra. 

The centre said a fourth Chinese vessel, the icebreaker Snow Dragon, is in the western Australian port of Perth following a trip to Antarctica and might join the search. --AP


BUAP "Service Center" that brought down the MH-370, may have been operating from Melbourne Austrialian; MIL base ran by US-MIL. Near Darwin is where Chinese Nazy will stand off.

Some 3+ years ago the USA set this up for WW3 (2500 troops), during WW2 this was the pacific theater beach-head.

[ Three service centers could have brought this plane 'home'; Melbourne Singapore, or Shanghai ]

If you believe that Singapore/Shanghai was in control, then your assuming CHINESE killed their own people, if you assume that Melbourne brought the plane home, then you can assume the CIA [zio-neo-cons] has set up Austrailia to get fucked hard by China.




Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:15 | 4575681 are we there yet
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The reasonable theories have a common starting point. The plane flew in a controlled way to about 43 to 45 thousand feet long enough to drain off passenger oxygen mask capacity leading to suffocation if cabin pressure was opened. THe copilot sounded 'sleepy' or druged in his last pre contact before the piloting person (likely the pilot) flew unnaturally high to suffocate the passingers. The reinforced cabin door protected the pilot from the crew and passingers as the cabin pressure fell. Most likely the pilot killed the crew, and passingers for unknown reasons that required preplanning and presumibly he had an end goal or purpose, as well as a route. The rest is much less clear. A full load of passingers and their luggage limits the ammount of gold tonage as a motive, but the malasian government is overtly hiding the cargo manifest so that is a maby. Remember the pilot would have to really be super motivated to kill his entire crew and passenger load. His wife and family are safe. So what could motivate such an act? Religion? Money? Politics? A grudge? None are credible so far. But, it does appear the pilot suffocated everyone for unknown reasons and planned an escape to an unknown location. THe pilot would also have to know that there would be no place he could go to spend any money he got, and that the level of investigation efforts sould eventually find him for such an act. He would know that he could never see his family again, or spend any money in civilized place. So the mystery is the pilots possible motivation.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:32 | 4575720 zionhead
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Bullshit theory running the plane up FL450 for what to burn fuel? WHy not just dump?  If you wanted to waste fuel.

The FL450 theory is only a model if you wanted to deplete fuel and oxygen, why murder the passengers? Once BUAP took control, they were fuck, as good as dead, and the goal was to fly low, ... fly up to FL450 for what when the goal was FL10

Occam's razor is most useful here.

Once under BUAP control the pilots would have the same status as passengers all CELL PHONE service would have been disabled.

First reports were the plane was going  north over myanmar.

777 had BUAP Singapore Service Center had control,... Kazakhstan was the destination,

Austrailia is participating in the klusterfuck to lead the MSM in the wrong direction.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:27 | 4575725 zionhead
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Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:41 | 4575732 zionhead
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Our service centers in the Asia-Pacifc region like Singapore and particularly to our service center in Shanghai,”


So there you have it the BUAP control of MH-370 was either ran out of SHANGHAI, or SINGAPORE ( also under chinese control ).


So now we may ask, WHY WOULD CHINA want to take out FREESCALE patent holders? Take down their own citizens, like in KUNMING,

Who profits from this shit?

Who in CHINA wants WAR, WHO is requesting 3 battle-ships be sent to austrailia?


WHOOPS,... what if this thing was SETUP to blame AUSTRAILIA,... wow what a grab if CHINA could use this as pretext to GRAB AUSTRALIA?

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:37 | 4575744 yogibear
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So much for military rediness.  You have a huge plane like the 777 with no transponder flying back accross a country you would have thought military jets would be scrambled and escorted it or attempted to communicate  with while being escorted. 

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:44 | 4575756 zionhead
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AUSTRALIA 3 Chinese Battle Ships on the way to Melbourne? WHOOPS,... what if this thing was SETUP to blame AUSTRAILIA,... wow what a grab if CHINA could use this as pretext to GRAB AUSTRALIA?

Forget about UKRAINE,... if PUTIN can nab UKRAINE, ... why can't CHINESE nab Austrailia?

Fucking truth is always stranger than fiction.

Keep the CHINESE up north, when the real action is in SOUTH AUSTRAILIA?

But no way in the world would the CHINESE be this stupid right?

Well forget not that the CHINESE community in SYDNEY are KOUMINGTANG hold-outs like taiwanese, and they hate the PRC chinese.


Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:40 | 4575749 zionhead
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Melbourne is a long way to go, but the airplane could have been sent home to Melbourne?

Australia: Services Boeing 777 BUAP

The Rockwell Collins service center in Melbourne provides world-class support that covers a wide range of equipment and systems used by Australian defence forces and others in the region. The center also provides significant support to commercial airlines—such as Qantas and Air New Zealand—and other carriers in the Asia-Pacific region. Because the service center supports both commercial and military customers, it offers a significant number of advantages, including greater surge capacity for defence customers and lower costs due to the ability to share test equipment.

With advanced test equipment in a facility covering 15,000 square feet, the Melbourne Service Center services Rockwell Collins avionics for business and regional airlines and defense customers throughout Australia. Over 40 factory-trained technicians specialize in maintenance and modification work on avionics onboard a full range of aircraft.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:30 | 4575752 thamnosma
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Mt. Gox says it just found 200,000 bitcoins in an "old wallet".  Nothing like stumbling upon $116,000,000.

I'm having a difficult time holding onto reality, whatever that is.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:43 | 4575753 Dr. Bonzo
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Cool article. Thanks for posting.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:25 | 4575808 Kina
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Trouble with consipiracy theories now days is that they are quickly become conspiracy facts.

And it turns out in our conpsiracy theorising that we were often too timid.

Because we have now learned that TPTB everywhere are sytemically corrupt in every branch of government, market, finance and justice. And that the outrageous is normal for them.

If the USA and friends with little conscience are able to start rebelion and civil war in Syria, destroy a country cause many deaths...all for a selfish cause....then you know that they are capable of any subitfuge...and not just USA but many countries with the ability. They kill innocent people with easy if it suits some objective or other... and they need not fear being caught or prosecuted...which emboldens them be even  more outrageous.


Not too long ago everybody would have thought that this plane disapearance was simply bad luck of a suicide. But now days we know TPTB are easily capable of stealing a plane out of the air if there is something about it they really really want, or want to destroy...we know that they are capable of this.


So then this is why conspiracy theorise are now so prominent....because they have a real probabilty/likelihood.


The questioned to be asked up front is...what about an event offers and advantage to some power, agency or other. Having seen or discounted that then we can move on to normal theories.


So this plane until it is found in the water...could have also have been stolen.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:45 | 4575840 zionhead
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I read yesterday that MSM says that now 55% of ameriKKKan's believe in conspriacy theory's,


That means 55% have thoughts they're not supposed to have, I would say the 'investors' and the thought-police that can resolve this problem will be the next billionaires.

The SPY shit like GOOGLE tell what they're thinking, but now we have to change those thoughts.

I always say "conspiracy' requires secrecy, and none of this shit is secret, ergo there are no conspiracy theory's, just unpopular opinions that our government will not tolerate.


Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:51 | 4575845 zionhead
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Hawaii law lets police have sex with prostitutes USA TODAY  - ‎55 minutes ago‎ HONOLULU (AP) - Honolulu police officers have urged lawmakers to keep an exemption in state law that allows undercover officers to have sex with prostitutes during investigations, touching off a heated debate. * Now there what better proof than there are cop, and little people. The cop can fuck the whore, but if you or me fuck the whore, we lose our money, our ride, and are good name, the cop fucks the whore, ... he get's to keep going back for more until the 'investigation' is complete. I love ameriKKKa. Conspiracy theory my ass, truth is always stranger than ficiton in ZIO-LAND.
Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:25 | 4575873 dogbreath
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get a life

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:19 | 4575914 are we there yet
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IF they find the missing plane landed on an Island owned by Gilligan, Mary Ann, Ginger, the skipper, and the Howels, I have first claim on the movie rights.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:33 | 4575925 Element
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I have a few issues with the following chronological events that have been supplied recently. This is what we're told occurred (extracts from a CNN page):


1:37 a.m.: Expected ACARS transmission doesn't happen
The ACARS was supposed to transmit a half-hour after it last did so. Therefore, it was supposed to transmit at 1:37 a.m. -- but it didn't, Yahya said,
So, the ACARS stopped communicating sometime between 1:07 and 1:37 a.m.
It's a significant event: Turning off ACARS takes know-how, Quest said.
If the flight were hijacked or a target of terrorism, cutting off ACARS would be a strategic move because the system reports to satellites anything being done to the aircraft, Quest said.

So if ACARS, which is a software system that is basically a text editor, link to in this case a SATCOM UHF radio modem datalink, was off at this point, how does the following occur? (and as I understand it there were 2x SATCOM datalinks on this jet, for ACARS redundancy, so if you disable one, why would you not also fully disable the other?)

This then happens immediately before it is estimated to run out of fuel reserves - the SATCOM suddenly becomes active again:

"8:11 a.m.: Satellite 'handshakes'
Najib revealed Saturday that a satellite tracked the plane at 8:11 a.m., more than seven hours after takeoff.
Najib didn't provide details on the satellite tracking, but it appears that orbiters high above the ocean detected the plane as the satellite or satellites attempted a series of "handshakes" -- or electronic connections -- with the plane below, Quest said.
It's likely that the plane didn't complete the handshake because its communication systems were disabled, Quest said.
Nevertheless, the satellites would have been able to trace a plane flying below them and would have extended an electronic message equivalent to a hailing: "There's a plane: Hello, hello, hello? Do you have anything for us?" Quest said.
The Malaysian Prime Minister said the "raw satellite data" confirms the plane was Flight 370. The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration, along with Britain's Air Accidents Investigation Branch, concur, Najib said.
"Due to the type of satellite data, we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite," Najib said.
Authorities believe the plane was in one of two flight "corridors": A northern route stretching to northern Thailand, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan or a southern route toward Indonesia and the southern Indian Ocean.

Which suggests the SATCOM itself was somehow reactivated, but no messages was being sent by ACARS, because neither the pilot nor the aircraft systems were trying to, or else were able to communicate further.

So why has the Satellite has suddenly seen the SATCOM datalink passively switched back on and announces itself to the satellite (as that's the ONLY way the satellite can know it's there adn will bother to interogate it) and then tries to login and interogate it for data, and there's no communications from it.

So why turn the SATCOM back on if there was no intention of sending a text message from the plane?

Or, alternatively, and this is possible, the SATCOM was either programmed or else placed on a timer to switch the power back on. So why do that? :

(1) So the plane's avionics or FMS could be accessed externally via an unknown satellite to manipulate the jet remotely.
(2) To externally activate systems or charges to help the aircraft to sink and/or destroy data within its databases.

I don't even know if that is possible.

Yes, there are 2006 patents regarding prototype capabilities to do that, but a patented prototype system is not and operational system the jet has been using since its manufacture and delivery date. So how old is the jet?

However, such flight decks are essentially computers and they do indeed receive incremental periodic firmware build updates, that can and do radically extend and mature the electronics/avionics capabilities of the aircraft throughout its lifetime in service.

So it is possible even an older aircraft that 2006 build could upgraded via firmware updates and a few hardware updates, to provide such external control of aircraft capability, from an unknown satellite operated by people who knew how to access the avionics systems remotely.

i.e. make it a drone

Sorry to speculate, but given the above quoted chronology, I see no adequate explanation for why the SATCOM has suddenly started working, at 8:11 AM, when it was supposed to have landed at 6:30 AM. Which means that the jet had then used 101 minutes of IFR fuel reserves, and the engines were probably cutting out from fuel starvation at that very time in which the SATCOM came back to life and announced itself (thus giving it's possible location away, as well ...).

See my comment on IFR fuel reserves that I made yesterday, where I pointed out that the practical required IFR fuel reserve is going to be in the range of about 90 mins to 120 mins of extra fuel, on board such a flight to get to its planned destination, implying the jet fuel should run dry by ~8:30 AM, at the latest.

So what's going on here with the SATCOM switching on right at the end? If there is a perfectly reasonable technical reason for why that happened I don't know what it is, yet.

So maybe someone else knows of a >TECHNICAL< reason for why this happened?

I ask as I want to account for this to try and eliminate the thesis stated above, that it may be to access the jet's systems, externally, via satellite. So I'm asking for a possible technical reasons for the SATCOM suddenly being seen by the satellite here, because a conspiracy speculation will in no way resolve that question or possibility, one way or another, to eliminate it, or else confirm i.


So I'm interested to hear from actual pilots, technicians or engineers who can shed light on why the SATCOM announced itself again like that?

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:27 | 4575989 zionhead
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"Due to the type of satellite data, we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite," Najib said.


What are they saying they only own 1 satellite? Shit what does GPS have 21+

You need 3 for an exact location, if the plane was still streaming data to the 'service centers' ( Melbourne, and Singapore, and Shanghai ), then you know for a fact that they knew were the plane was at all times. Because the service centers do have access to more than 3+ satellites.



Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:32 | 4575993 zionhead
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The BUAP system is designed to completely BLACKOUT the aircraft JAM all COMM IN&OUT, so that way terrorists on the ground don't knwo where  its going, and on the plane can't communicate home.

Once a plane is taken over by BUAP, it is vectored to the nearest MIL-BASE that controls that 'service center'

The question is WHO controls the Melbourne service center? The CIA/NSA or the Kangaroos?


The BUAP black's out ALL outgoing COMM when triggered. All HUMAN-to-HUMAN COMM is blacked-out.

It can't black out the engine data, because it would be impossible for ground control the bring in the airplane to the MIL base.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:34 | 4575996 New World Chaos
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Are you saying that SATCOM was disabled around the time it went off course, and only turned on for one last blip at the very end?  That would make sense in the context of my long comment above.  THEY needed that last (faked) data point to draw attention away from Diego Garcia.  It would mean the investigators/media didn't release the interim data because it didn't exist.  If it existed, reconstructing the flight path might have been possible.  They only had data from before the course change, which was irrelevant. 

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 05:11 | 4576021 Element
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Yeah, I think that is the implication.

btw, see the CNN link there were several radar contacts and tracks after the course change and that data (at least the Malaysian radar data) has now been fully shared with the Anglo states so they can cross-check it all.

That it occurred at the point of switching from Malaysian to Vietnamese controller is significant, for when switching controllers the new controller is informed (via electronic messaging) by the old controller that a flight is going to be switching to their control and to expect a call from that new flight in their air space.

What happens then is the pilot signs off from the old controller frequency (the last heard 'goodnight' message), and then changes frequency to the new controller's frequency, then announces the flight number, and maybe speed, heading and altitude, etc, so the new controller then confirms the aircraft is on the scope with a valid transponder code and if all is good, the new controller simply calls "Malaysian Heavy MH370 Identified", then will usually confirm its clearance.

But that swap over did not happen, the pilot used that change in controllers to turn the systems off, including at least one of the ACARS SATCOM systems.

And I don't know how the reported Rolls Royce ACARS engine data fits in unless one SATCOM was still on the entire period, but no one is saying a damned thing about that engine ACARS data anymore ... WHY?

But it appears at lest one SATCOM did turn back on, at the very end of the flight's fuel ... WHY?


I read your comment, it was interesting, I'm going to read it again.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 05:21 | 4576028 thamnosma
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Australia now says they will keep the search going for "one more day" and that the spotted debris "may be at the bottom now".   Just more BS.  There's so much human garbage and industrial waste in the oceans now they could claim the plane parts are mixed in with the Fukushima floating island.

That plane is gone along with 239 expendables.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 05:35 | 4576036 Element
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Actually Abbott said this afternoon that the search would continue for as long as it takes to find that jet, he was quite firm about that, and said he had phoned the Chinese Govt to say that directly to them.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 05:43 | 4576039 The_Prisoner
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I'm not familiar with aircraft communication systems.

However, what you said above about the ACARS having being deactivated towards the end of the flight inficates whomever did it wanted the plane to be found.
This could be in order to misdirect from a stop-over or to focus a search away from such a waypoint.
As to the reasons for such a stopover one can but speculate. But it is difficut to argue any reasons other than nefarious ones.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 05:56 | 4576051 Element
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Ah, not deactivated at the end, but reactivated at the end, to get the satellite to see it once more.

The obvious question is WHY did they do that.

Was it to be seen, or was it to gain external control in the last minutes of flight for some reason?


It was originally deactivated in the swap over between ATC controllers, i.e. Malaysian to Vietnamese ATC control, early in the flight, not long after completing the climb to cleared cruising altitude. Have another read of it.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:06 | 4576055 The_Prisoner
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I meant reactivated. I misspelt that.

It screams of "hey, look over here!"

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:31 | 4576083 Element
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I figured you did, I knew you were smarter than that. ;-)

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