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NASA Study: "Collapse Is Very Difficult To Avoid"

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

As any long-time reader of this column knows, we routinely draw from historical lessons to highlight that this time is not different.

Throughout the 18th century, for example, France was the greatest superpower in Europe, if not the world.

But they became complacent, believing that they had some sort of ‘divine right’ to reign supreme, and that they could be as fiscally irresponsible as they liked.

The French government spent money like drunken sailors; they had substantial welfare programs, free hospitals, and grand monuments.

They held vast territories overseas, engaged in constant warfare, and even had their own intrusive intelligence service that spied on King and subject alike.

Of course, they couldn’t pay for any of this.

French budget deficits were out of control, and they resorted to going heavily into debt and rapidly debasing their currency.

Stop me when this sounds familiar.

The French economy ultimately failed, bringing with it a 26-year period of hyperinflation, civil war, military conquest, and genocide.

History is full of examples, from ancient Mesopotamia to the Soviet Union, which show that whenever societies reach unsustainable levels of resource consumption and allocation, they collapse.

I’ve been writing about this for years, and the idea is now hitting mainstream.

A recent research paper funded by NASA highlights this same premise.

According to the authors:

    “Collapses of even advanced civilizations have occurred many times in the past five thousand years, and they were frequently followed by centuries of population and cultural decline and economic regression.”

The results of their experiments show that some of the very clear trends which exist today– unsustainable resource consumption, and economic stratification that favors the elite– can very easily result in collapse.

In fact, they write that “collapse is very difficult to avoid and requires major policy changes.”

This isn’t exactly good news.

But here’s the thing– between massive debts, deficits, money printing, war, resource depletion, etc., our modern society seems riddled with these risks.

And history certainly shows that dominant powers are always changing.

Empires rise and fall. The global monetary system is always changing. The prevailing social contract is always changing.

But there is one FAR greater trend across history that supercedes all of the rest… and that trend is the RISE of humanity.

Human beings are fundamentally tool creators. We take problems and turn them into opportunities. We find solutions. We adapt and overcome.

The world is not coming to an end. It’s going to reset. There’s a huge difference between the two.

Think about the system that we’re living under.

A tiny elite has total control of the money supply. They wield intrusive spy networks and weapons of mass destruction. The can confiscate the wealth of others in their sole discretion. They can indebt unborn generations.

Curiously, these are the same people who are so incompetent they can’t put a website together.

It’s not working. And just about everyone knows it.

We’re taught growing up that ‘We the People’ have the power to affect radical change in the voting booth. But this is another fairy tale.

Voting only changes the players. It doesn’t change the game.

Technology is one major game changer. The technology exists today to completely revolutionize the way we live and govern ourselves.

Today’s system is just a 19th century model applied to a 21st century society. I mean– a room full of men making decisions about how much money to print? It’s so antiquated it’s almost comical.

But given that the majority of Western governments borrow money just to pay interest on money they’ve already borrowed, it’s obvious the current game is almost finished.

When it ends, there will be a reset… potentially a tumultuous one.

This is why you want to have a plan B, and why you don’t want to have all of your eggs in one basket.

After all, why bother working so hard if everything you’ve ever achieved or provided for your children is tied up in a country with dismal fundamentals?

If you agree with me, then feel free to share this article with your friends below so they also can get a plan B in place. They’ll be glad they did.


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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:01 | 4574967 Real Estate Geek
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NASA?  WTF?  Why aren't they focusing . . . outwards?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:06 | 4574986 Indian_Goldsmith
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Budget Cuts. Money that was to be spent focusing outwards, is better spent providing condoms to sluts, according to the crony intellectuals #DoYouGotInsurance !

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:13 | 4575010 I am more equal...
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A classic case of 'proof texting.'  Finding non sequiturs to make a predetermined point.  

Their suck-ass motivation is obvious and serves their glowbull warming masters.



Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:16 | 4575026 Indian_Goldsmith
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 $700 million  were spend on the ad campaign for Obamacare, and all they could come up with was pajama boy sissy drinking hot chocolate and being all mushy.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:20 | 4575038 maskone909
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What does MASA -the mexican nasa, have to say about this?

We are in the truman show friends!

^^^ forest gump horror movie recut

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:27 | 4575067 bonderøven-farm ass
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Wasn't NASA demoted to Muslim Outreach duties?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:56 | 4575326 Mister Kitty
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The world's been collapsing forever and a day.  You act like this is something new.  Bitches.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 00:05 | 4575682 Supernova Born
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WTF is with these spammers?

...and it's GOLD, bitchez, not some blog.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:57 | 4575849 Blano
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Mister Kitty is also National Blessing.  Yeah WTF I have a blog now too but I don't spam it on here.  Plus who gives a shit what he has for dinner every freaking post.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:07 | 4575859 Pinto Currency
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NASA - crashes just happen. 

Nothing to do with centrally planned money system based on debt where the banks are shareholders of the central bank that sets the interest rate that creates the debt that finances the bubbles.

Oh and watch out for humanity's CO2 driving global warming.

We need to tax that global warming out of existence.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 07:01 | 4576110 old naughty
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"they were frequently followed by centuries of population and cultural decline..."

That is it !

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:36 | 4575084 NoDebt
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Simon Black is a genius.  Up until this article my view of this subject was very basic.  Went something like this: "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everything drops to zero."  How uneducated and foolish I was.

I'm so glad he condescended to show me the reasons and nuances of the highly complex process called death.  And the NASA stuff is a nice touch.  Since they know how to send rockets into space (even though they no longer do), obviously, they must be experts on societal devolution.  The two subjects are almost the same, as anyone can plainly see.

I think NASA has either been infected by liberal/statists recently or they're about ready to finally admit to contact with alien life.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:57 | 4575175 Angus McHugepenis
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NoDebt: Always love reading your posts. Don't worry about the .gov bullshit or NASA crap. When people start to realize they have but a mere 30 productive years to enjoy this world they will stop worrying about taxes, spying, montiored communications, etc. They will start to shed their slavery and start to tell the .gov to fuck off.

We are the only species on this planet that has to pay rent to the Red Shield. Time to visit the RottenChilds where they live and eliminate them and their banking ponzi once and for all.

But I digress...

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:13 | 4575552 NoDebt
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Thanks, Angus.  But that short 30 year productive timeframe (of which, I'm 24 years in with 24 more to go before I can finally go face-first into the keyboard at my desk from a stroke) is probably more of a reason why average people will NEVER rebel against this crap.  No matter how bad it gets, it does so by degrees.  Revolutions are messy and everyone knows it.  So we sit in the pot like a frog slowly brought to a boil.

Other members on here have said something along the lines of "until supply lines break in earnest, nothing changes."  I agree with those comments, in general.  Until confidence is lost utterly, people will keep drinking the desert sand, being told it's actually water.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 05:28 | 4576031 Gief Gold Plox
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Simon's a sack of shit as far as I can tell. His writing gives the term "utter drivel" a bad name. In this particular article he's emphasizing NASA even though they've repeatedly stated they had nothing to do with the research paper in question. And for what? To grow his e-pen and appear smarter, and to get a few more clicks. A click whore, desperate for attention.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 08:32 | 4576307 weburke
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specially since nasa is such an untrustable source.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:43 | 4575285 fockewulf190
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Why fly to Mars when you know your eventually going to be reduced to defending an enclave with some of the last gas on earth, being screamed at by the Lord Humungus?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:00 | 4575337 BLOTTO
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NASA is an occult organization.


And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too

I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

- Pink Floyd, 'Brain Damage'

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:54 | 4575495 NoDebt
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You just quoted one of my favorite bands.  Doesn't matter if I disagree with your comment, you get an upvote regardless.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:01 | 4575786 chumbawamba
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Blotto is a smart guy.  You might want to heed what he's saying.

I am Chumabwamba.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:13 | 4575014 jbvtme
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long meteors and biblical floods

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:23 | 4575050 knukles
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Don't leave home without them.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:43 | 4575124 economics9698
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The tribe fucks up another country.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:05 | 4575353 GeorgeHayduke
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I'll take locusts and plagues over bankers any day.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:42 | 4575283 Raging Debate
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Indian Goldsmith - Way to net out. I like to look at nature to understand ourselves at times. There is a lot to observe regarding the cycles of Blue Jays which are predtors and Cardinals. The lesson summary is the cycle of the robber and those that mostly learn the hard way about predation. I have observed 1/3 of the Cardinals dissapearing in a cycle and then no more Blue Jays for awhile. We're at the end of the Blue Jay cycle but sadly it is likely such will make 1/3 of us disappear.

I am only pleased realizing we are at the end of our human evolution, of Blue Jays and Cardinals.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:52 | 4575311 Raging Debate
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Indian Goldsmith - Way to net out. I like to look at nature to understand ourselves at times. There is a lot to observe regarding the cycles of Blue Jays which are predtors and Cardinals. The lesson summary is the cycle of the robber and those that mostly learn the hard way about predation. I have observed 1/3 of the Cardinals dissapearing in a cycle and then no more Blue Jays for awhile. We're at the end of the Blue Jay cycle but sadly it is likely such will make 1/3 of us disappear.

I am only pleased realizing we are at the end of our human evolution, of Blue Jays and Cardinals.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:09 | 4575000 knukles
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I read a synopses/review/Cliff Notes thingamajiggie to the NASA study.  It's core thesis was that Income Inequality and Global Warming were the prime determinants of the decline and fall of civilization.

The original article was hyping the need for Agenda 21, higher taxes, kumbayah, happy happy joy joy, etc.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:15 | 4575022 A Lunatic
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Something NASA conveniently left out in it's assessment of reasons for the decline and fall of Empires is the very high cost of unbridled conquest......

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:21 | 4575046 EscapeKey
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Joseph Tainter said it best: societies collapse, because there no longer is an economic reason for them to exist.

get his book, "collapse of complex societies" for a seriously good read

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:29 | 4575073 SgtShaftoe
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It's a good book. All the more reason to start building parallel systems.  The systems we build from scratch now, will be the only system when this shitstorm finally hits fever pitch. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:57 | 4575176 NotApplicable
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Well, parallel systems emerge naturally in any competitive environment.

Welcome to the Dark Ages 2.0.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:24 | 4575408 Thought Processor
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An even better book is called "Overshoot".


Best summed up by a commenter on Amazon:

"I own some eight thousand books and if my house caught fire this is the only book I would risk my life to save. Read it and it will change the way you view the human race. Probably one of the most important books ever written."


And yes, it's that good.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:30 | 4575077 A Lunatic
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This is the most complex society to date. The collapse should be quite memorable; if anyone survives to remember. Thanks for the reference, I'll be adding it to my Library.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:43 | 4575128 GeorgeHayduke
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Good point, although conquest and decimation of other cultures are so well ingrained into the 'Mercan mindset that few even think about or consider this concept.

As proof just look at the reaction the majority of 'Mercans anytime anyone mentions cutting the military industry's budget. The mainstream morons go crazy and throw out idiotic slogans like" we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here." This, even though the military consumes half the total US gov't budget and nearly spends more than the rest of the world combined. Then it treats its vets like shit once they are done with them. Just one more expendable war tool in their eyes it seems. It's amazing.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:59 | 4575182 A Lunatic
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We could cut the defense budget by 90% and still be able to provide for the defense of the nation as defined by the United States Constitution. We haven't been invaded since 1812, meanwhile we have practically conquered the known world. Alexander the Great would be proud, the rest of us, not so much......

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:05 | 4575199 FredFlintstone
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You have my vote, sir.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:56 | 4575167 SAT 800
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Which, however, was noticed by every student of the subject that had their brain turned on and wasn't paid by Boy oh Boy. "you can believe NASA; they scientists"; huh-huh.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:18 | 4575033 disabledvet
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it's all uphill from here.
we are all doomed.


the only thing worse than "teleprompter man" is "doomer teleprompter man."
besides...i'm a Northern Yankee...i'm picky about claims that my eternal soul is doomed as well.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:05 | 4576057 negative rates
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And all it took to do all that that was my 6th grade education too.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:20 | 4575041 EscapeKey
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 ”…. the Elites eventually consume too much, resulting in a famine among Commoners that eventually causes the collapse of society. It is important to note that this Type-L collapse is due to an inequality-induced famine that causes a loss of workers, rather than a collapse of Nature.”


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:33 | 4575085 knukles
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Lemme see here.
The fallacy of their statement.

Of all the people on the planet earth (using income as a ruler of well being Which It Is Not, but the data is available) $25,000 gross income (Gross!) places an individual in the 1%.
Seems that our 1% globally do a pretty fine job of consumption, including gang-bangers in Detroit, Appalachian bums, Leeches upon the federal survival system, etc. 
Now, seems to me that 1%'s consumption is not the problem, but the absolute magnitude of the consumption of the 99% plus the 1%, or the 100% is what just might be taxing the ecosystems to death.
Plain Goddamned Too Many Fucking People, Period.

Income Inequality has fuck all to do with it.

Plus, I'm sure those who preceded the Egyptians and actually built the pyramids who the disappeared from the face of the earth, was not due to income inequality, FFS.

I get so bloody angry at Horseshit like this, pure political gobbldiegook, Propaganda and PC Think.
This Crap along with Overpopulation (at this juncture) and Central Fiat Banking are the Reasons for the Decline and Fall of Empire.

The people's predecessors who wrote this shit should have been crucified along the Apian Way

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:36 | 4575438 Seer
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Yeah, I don't think that this is correct either.  BUT, there's an angle/component of it that carries truth and that's per-person consumption, and, without a doubt, this IS higher when one gets above the extreme poverty (the majority of humans on the planet live on something like $3/day or less).  It is NOT the cause all by iteself, as if there were ONLY 1 million people on the planet and they all lived like Bill Gates it would be highly unlikely that there could be any resource shortages for a very, very, very, very long time.

It's cummulative.  Everyone is part of the issue/concern: I'll refrain from referring to people as the "problem" because we're pretty much just doing what we were programmed to do (genetics), what every other life form is programmed to do.

It's unequivical that we cannot have perpetual growth on a finite planet.  So, yes, there is such a thing as overpopulation; the ONLY question is what is the threshold for determing it- it's highly likely to be a rear-view-mirror thing.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:58 | 4576016 Ghordius
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correct. knukles is again at that old thing about consumption, the finite planet and so on. a fine point wielded like a club

consumption is relative. and overconsumption is... cultural. have a look here at those meat consumption statistics

the average American consumes  31 kg of pork,    49 kg of chicken and   45 kg of beef in one year   (total: 125 kg)

the average   Briton    consumes  25 kg of pork,    28 kg of chicken and      19 kg of beef in one year     (total:  72 kg)

the average  German   consumes 58 kg of pork,  15 kg of chicken and      15 kg of beef in one year     (total:  88 kg)

and this goes down, down, down to countries where people live a healthy life, have good food, and yet their total meat consumption per year is... around 10 kg

and then even further down

now if you know how much food is necessary to produce meat instead of other edible things, and how different the types of meat are in this calculation... you start to realize that it's a problem due to a mix of a quantity, quality and culture. and this using something as mundane as meat as an indicator, then when it comes to oil... oh, boy

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:52 | 4575156 SAT 800
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Oh, I see; 1% of the people eat all the food in the world causing famine. Yeah, that sounds very logical. Whew; boy; they really are whack jobs.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:50 | 4575150 SAT 800
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Really, ?. Global Warming ? Holy Crap. That's really crazy. global temperatures do vary a small amount around the average, of course; but the warmer periods in history correspond to longer growing periods for food crops; higher standards of living, (more food), higher population and more advances in technology and civilization. It's the cold periods, the years without a summer, that cause the shit to hit the fan; people tend to get irrational and cranky with the neighbors when they're starving. I had no idea NASA was such a propaganda puppet. What a shame.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:42 | 4575456 Seer
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"but the warmer periods in history correspond to longer growing periods for food crops"

In general one could make this argument.  But, one doesn't just shift over crop production over night.  And given our huge Ag systems that are totally pinned down in the way they operate and are not all the mobile, well, feel lucky?

BTW - There WILL be another glacial period.  It's earth's way of re-tilling the planet (after the loss of topsoil, which happens naturally but can be sped up by other processes [human activity being one]).

"higher population and more advances in technology and civilization."

"Technology" is a PROCESS.  If the inputs to a process -natural resources- do not exist then all that that technology represents is a good-sounding recipe.  And then there's Jevons Paradox.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 13:30 | 4577672 general ambivalent
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Global warming contributes to longer growing periods? Sorry, but the kneejerk responses to climate change are a bit like the FED theatre. A longer growing season doesn't matter a whole lot if you get 200 mm of rain during the week before harvest. And if the soil goes to hell, well...

Not to mention the municipal waste they're dumping on the crops, and all the extra chemicals repatriating into the soil and bioaccumulating. Natural fluctuations in global temperature are not the same as climate change and geoengineering. It should be called geoclimate because it is fictitious, just completely opposite to what denialists say.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:19 | 4575233 zionhead
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Knules, ... really not a mention about ZIONIST KLEPTOCRACY, ... not even in the tiny shit at the bottom of the 10,000 page paper.

Fuck read Carrol Quigley the official CIA historian, he felt it too important not to tell the truth to future CIA leaders.

Quigley felt it was OK, to have 90% of the universitys teach historical BULLSHIT, but he felt that the ANGLO-SAXON takeover of the world was so important that the spawn of ZIO needed to know how it was done, so they could keep it forever.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:15 | 4575021 stant
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nasa is just the post office with rockets. or untill they took them away.thats why the us af went its own way .thier shuttle is unmaned and stays up for months. nasa version got canned because it had a per unit failure rate of 40%. truth hurts

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:27 | 4575069 weburke
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because nasa never did do anything "outwards". except as theater

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:55 | 4575165 Deathrips
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Maybe if they quit focusing outwards...we could start looking for solutions here? Just maybe?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:03 | 4575347 El Vaquero
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NASA?  WTF?  Why aren't they focusing . . . outwards?

It's not actually a NASA paper.  It is a paper authored by people in academia.  This is right before the References section in the paper:

This work was partially funded through NASA/GSFC grant NNX12AD03A.

If you are really interested, you could find out what the requirements for the grant were. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:45 | 4575467 Seer
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Same basic concerns have been expressed within the Pentagon as well.

Sigh, people still can't separate Message from Messenger.  I can usually tell when this inability exists as people stoop to a bunch of name-calling.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:19 | 4575905 Tall Tom
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Real Estate Geek wrote, "NASA?  WTF?  Why aren't they focusing . . . outwards?"

Launching Spacecraft outwards is complicated when the foundations an the Earth are crumbling. While many see the end results of a Space Mission. the success and failures both being spectacular, many are not specators at what happens behind the scences or are aware about the supporting INFRASTRUCTURE behind any Mission.


It is both a waste of time and resources for NASA Scientists, Engineers, and Technicians to plan for Missions and build hardware if the Mission is not to be carried out, isn't it?


Scientists know that what cannot be sustained will not be sustained. The Graphical presentation of the EVIDENCE demonstrates clearly that Exponential Growth leads to Exponential Collapse. Last night I developed an equation for EXTINCTION OF RESOURCES. See post  4571334 .  It is a pretty sad state of affairs when one has to consider that.


Without any SOLID FOUNDATION upon which to build an INFRASTRUCTURE to support DEEP SPACE EXPLORATION it is rather fruitless to plan, design and launch Deep Space Missions.


The REALITY is that our civilization is DYING. The Economy is TERMINAL. There are NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS. You can deny that if you want. But it does not change the fact.


I want you to think about the following for 30 seconds (which may be 30 seconds too long for some of you).


If a patient in a Hospital is TERMINAL then it does not matter about the technology behind all of our clever, and not so clever, Medical Equipment. The patient will die.


Our Economy is like a patient on Life Support. There is way too much Blood Clotting. The Lifeblood of the Economy (Currency) is diseased, degraded, and now being bled out through the process of Tapering. Dr. Yellen does not understand that the ancient practice of Bleeding out the "Bad Blood" does not cure the patient but just hastens death.


But the Currency is the "Bad Blood" which is poisoning the patient.


Of course anyone who is not BLIND can see that the Patient has been afflicted by a Cancer (Government) that is using up the resources that are necessary to provide SUSTANNACE. (Sustainability) to the Economy.


So Dr. Yellen refuses to do the operation and REMOVE THE TUMOR because at this point the Tumor (Government) has grown so large that the condition is INOPERABLE.


The Economy has become afflicted with a Stage IV Cancer and the prognosis is TERMINAL as it is metatasizing and growing at an ever increasing rate.


There is no technology in the World that is going to save it.


So why spin wheels and plan for events when Death approaches?


We know this. Yes Scientists can know about Economics. We are seeing it.


Can you?

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:17 | 4575910 August
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This sort of post-modern NASA crap makes the old days of the Negro Space Program all the more amazing.....

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:02 | 4574968 NOTaREALmerican
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Just another class warfare article by someone who hates Merica, and the troop.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:03 | 4574976 jomama
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ZH has been telling us this for years...

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:51 | 4575152 Poor Grogman
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TPTB are trying to "manage perceptions" about "how" and " why" the collapse happened / is happening.

The very last thing that anyone will ever be mentioned is the destructive symbiotic triplets named

Fiat currency
Fractional reserve banking
and the
Military Industrial Complex

The cure , of course, is provided by the much talked about US Constitution.

Which of course will never be used as it results in the death of the triplets.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:48 | 4575476 Seer
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Baby.  Bathwater...

I suppose that it's convenient for lots of folks as it keeps them from actually acting on anything (sit back and call for other to do whatever it is they themselves want- and when it doesn't work, well, bitch, bitch, bitch).

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:28 | 4575921 Tall Tom
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The collapse of Civilization will manifest as a DIRECT RESULT of most Human Beings whom are incapable of understanding Mathematics, and thus are unable to understand the Exponential Function.


y(t) = Aekt + C

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:03 | 4574977 surf0766
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FUCK NASA and their "we need to turn towards communism" to save us bullshit



Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:32 | 4575082 centerline
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Must be liberal arts major.  News flash... cycles happen and the process involves redistribution.  This time is no different except for magnitude.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:34 | 4575091 surf0766
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No not a lib or a liberal tarts major.  But you like redistribution don't you


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:03 | 4575519 Seer
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Isn't this like saying that because someone thinks Russia is more correct about Crimea than the US/EU that one LOVES Putin.

Logic FAIL!

But, clearly, you have no interest in discovering why your logic is a flat out "fail."

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:58 | 4576108 surf0766
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You comment makes no sense.

NASA was converted from space / sice to a muslim outreach program which is now producting reports on how we need to turn toward communism and redistribution to save us.



Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:18 | 4575803 MsCreant
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Guess you can't hear him tell you there is a bigger picture. Cycles.

I want it to be different this time too. It won't be. But as an individual, I will fight as if it can be. And because of that, I too will fall into the story of the bigger cycle that will sweep us all away.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 09:28 | 4576521 centerline
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That was the point MC.  Was cranky last night too.  ha ha.  Was just playing the fight club thing.

We are already in massive redistribution.  All the reports from various think tanks all outline the same thing too.  Not as if it is an option.  It is the logical conclusion other than war.  In reality, we will probably get both.

I hate it as much as anyone else.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:53 | 4575938 Tall Tom
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Did you study math? What did you study in college?


You are on a FINANCIAL Website.


This equation is well known in Finance. It is taught at every single Business school in the United States. It is the Principle-Interest-Time Equation. (I know a few degreed in Business Administration.)


P = (1 + r)t

It is an Exponential Function.


Solve the Equation for 't'


NO HELP FROM THE REST OF YOU PLEASE. Do not publish the answer. Let him demonstrate exactly what he knows about Math.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:46 | 4576093 surf0766
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My undergrand is in economics and my master is in leadership. I am a technical architect . Asswipe

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 06:57 | 4576106 Tall Tom
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Solve the problem...


And since you are an Architect tell me the answer for dP/dt...DEMONSTRATE IT ASSWIPE.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 07:14 | 4576109 surf0766
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NO.  I can be like you and copy questions from the web. I said NASA and your panties got all bunched up.

NASA was great before Deal Leader changed their mission. Stop reading into my comments.



Fri, 03/21/2014 - 08:16 | 4576254 Tall Tom
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I did not copy any question from the Internet. This is a question asked of ANYONE whom has studied Economics at the University Level.


In fact I use this same question when teaching Second Year High School Algebra. (Algebra II/Trigonometry) The truth is that YOU DO NOT KNOW.


You served very well to demonstrate my point. Most people do not understand the Exponential Function...including you. Then you sit and criticize a report about systemic collapse while having no clue about that which you are writing.


Now I can give you the answer. Yet it serves no purpose as you will not have any real uhderstanding about it.  It is meaningless symbols to most...including you.


Hint: Take the Logarithm of both sides.


I will read and comment as I damn well please.


As for dP/dt I will not even bother because you lack an understanding of basic Algebra.


From which University did you graduate so that I can avoid hiring its Graduates?

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 09:05 | 4576445 rsnoble
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With todays interests rates T could be 0 or 10 years and you'd still get the same answer lmao.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 19:50 | 4578969 surf0766
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You are too angry. Please seek help. Libtard

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 18:43 | 4587693 Tall Tom
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Please enroll in a Math Class.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:04 | 4574980 A Lunatic
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Plan A: I'm alive in the world. Plan B: I'm dead and gone. I'm a simple man......

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:33 | 4575083 centerline
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breaking it down to my level there AL.  +1

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:04 | 4575186 NotApplicable
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Plan B: Drink.

Remember, the key to happiness is lowered expectations!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:12 | 4575374 Yes_Questions
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not lowered.





Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:05 | 4574984 1stepcloser
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Once againg, leave it to the brianiacs to tell us we are fucked...

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:52 | 4575491 A Lunatic
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That is a very good point; never trust anyone named Brian.......

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:06 | 4574990 surf0766
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They went from Muslim outreach to communist planners

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:16 | 4575028 knukles
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Yeah, Plan B from Outer Space after the Second Space Shuttle Loss With All Hands On-Board.

If ya can't fly 'em politicize 'em

So, what, pray tell, do all them NASA employees do all day?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:26 | 4575063 disabledvet
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same thing the SEC people do.
"they're just not as well compensated when they turn on their employer."

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:31 | 4575078 SgtShaftoe
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I remember a day when all this high minded, hand waving bullshit came from the RAND corporation.  Now it's coming from fucking NASA.  WTF?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:35 | 4575093 knukles
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Your Progressive Family Looking Out for Your Well Being, Peasant.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:43 | 4575123 A Lunatic
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One ring (of government) to rule us all........

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:58 | 4575180 SAT 800
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 Spend their .Gov paychecks.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:08 | 4574996 New American Re...
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Simple Simon is wrong again, we can change the system.  Try Liberty Legislation and use it as a litmus for our vote.  Once in place, the entire system is going to be forced into change to one where the People Rule our government. It's called Liberty and you can read about it here. SERFS UP AMERICA!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:11 | 4575544 Seer
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"Simple Simon is wrong again, we can change the system. "

Um, the System will, by default, change itself.  Rather, the System will have change whether it wants it or not.  Time doesn't stand still.  Entropy is a contstant force.

Since the System is way beyond sustainable it will only burn itself out faster and faster.  It's like my logic for all the folks that helped pump up the MIC by saying that it was essential to do so in order to keep communism from taking over the world.  Really?  When does a bad system come out on top?  As long as we're on this planet, whose laws are dictacted by Mother Nature, That just ain't going to happen.  BAD SYSTEMS FAIL.

If someone cannot demonstrate how something can be sustainable then it most certainly is not (an argument based on hope is NOT a valid argument).

Govt is NOT the solution.  If you're getting "govt" as an answer then your question is wrong.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:09 | 4574999 Lincolns Mullet
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NASA is telling us we need to find more resources so we can eat McDonald's into infinity and beyond.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:09 | 4575001 Peak Finance
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The results of their experiments show that some of the very clear trends which exist today– unsustainable resource consumption, and economic stratification that favors the elite– can very easily result in collapse.

Umm, sorry, no.

It's a survey, not an experiment, experiments imply manulipation of variables and such, and control groups and double-binds.

This paper is mearly a survey, nothing more, and I am not even going to waste my time reading it knowing the source.


Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:02 | 4575949 Tall Tom
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Refusing to consider information and denial is always the best strategy. Yeah...right..


So why are you reading here and not tuning into MSNBS??? That will be much more pleasing to you.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:11 | 4575007 SAT 800
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France was also the driving, and planning power behind the EURO; but I'm sure success will come this time. This time is different; right ?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:12 | 4575009 Newfie
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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:13 | 4575011 Flounder
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" In this paper we attempt to build a

simple mathematical model to explore the essential dynamics of interaction between population

and natural resources."


These math geeks need to get into HFT and algos. I don't see any money in this paper.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 09:01 | 4575956 Tall Tom
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Principles before profits. Good scientists do not work with the idea that money is their primary motivation.


The motivation of any competent scientist is an understanding of the Universe. That is the end goal.


However not all scientists are good. Some are motivated by ego, money, and the rest of the vanities.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:14 | 4575018 Cycle
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My daughter pointed out that the authors plagiarized Joseph Tainter's work  "The Collapse of Complex Societies" to the point of including whole sentences from that book - I did not read the full study, but the book is a real eye opener. That said, why is NASA funding work completely outside its domain?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:53 | 4575316 GeezerGeek
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Somehow you missed the transformation, but today every Federal agency is a political agency. Just like the DOJ is used selectively and refuses to prosecute allies of the regime, just like the SEC refuses to do it's job, just like the IRS is used to foster political repression of Obama's opponents. And on and on. As others have mentioned, NASA is involved in Muslim outreach and now surreptitious population planning while the space program atrophies. It's like reducing the armed forces to meals-on-wheels.

Until the rest of the animals get wise, the pigs will rule. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:14 | 4575556 Seer
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"That said, why is NASA funding work completely outside its domain?"

Yes!  Maybe someone should, you know, ask?

I suspect that they are responsible for providing data to the Pentagon.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:36 | 4575929 zionhead
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Operation Paperclip, back to the 1950's these were considered the smartest men on earth.

These scientists at NASA have always been on the top president advisory committe.

I suggest you google "RICHARD GARWIN", and understood who actually run's this government.

It's certainly NOT the people in WASH-DC.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:18 | 4575037 A Lunatic
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Perhaps you would all like to read the enlightened opinions of this great American entrepreneur..... 

(/s infinity)


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:38 | 4575103 knukles
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Fuck Bill Gates, the EU, Income Redistribution, Agenda 21, Central Fiat Banking, Bankers and Progressive Crony Government

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:49 | 4575147 A Lunatic
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If these morons would actually read some history rather than rewrite it, they might know that MOAR central planning and stricter controls is not the solution.....

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:24 | 4575055 Bangin7GramRocks
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Suburbs in a bubble on Mars. If we are worried about collapse, the country is more likely to support a $400 billion space program. And if I had a choice to give a trillion to bankers and the .01% crowd or fund some kick-ass space program, I'll choose the space program every time. This country has pissed away trillions on nothing for 5 years. Don't complain about the paltry NASA budget.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:48 | 4575142 FredFlintstone
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$5/mo for every man, woman and child here in the US. For how long and for what benefit? I did some consulting for this organization. There have THOUSANDS of buildings all over the world. The amount of real estate this organization maintains is baffling.

NASA apologist? Someone points to a problem and you point to a bigger problem and say "what does it matter"? Where have I heard that before. What is this kick ass space program you speak of?

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:23 | 4575982 Tall Tom
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Well George W. Bush began the dismantling of the kick ass Space Program with the announcement of the retirement of the Space Shuttle and his new Space Directive.


His appointed Administrator for NASA, Mike Griffin, ensured that when he went against the Bush Directive and began his boondoggle of funds to develop entirely new technologies for Constellation and refused to implement Project Direct.


Project Direct would have saved Billions of Dollars as the Pad Infrastructure, the VAB Infrastructure, and the Tooling Infrastructure at Michoud, would have needed only minor changes. But of course then both Project Direct and the Space Shuttle could have been operated coincidentally. Mike Griffin's goal was to destroy and possible support for Space Shuttle Operations as he hated the program.


Furthermore Mike Griffin was a member of the Mars Society which supported Robotic Missions over that of Human Spaceflight Missions. Mike Griffin, as the NASA Administrator, destroyed NASA single handedly.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:25 | 4575058 madtechnician
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Bitcoin , Bit-chez ......

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:27 | 4575066 Fix It Again Timmy
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What's next a Pentagon study on 18th century knitting trends?  Don't put it past a thing called government bureaucracy,,,

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:28 | 4575072 Sokhmate
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they write: "collapse is very difficult to avoid .."


" .. and requires major policy changes"

I see.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:33 | 4575087 I Write Code
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I haven't read Tainter (a 24 year old textbook not even available as a trade, which basically means nobody has really cared about it) so what's the deal, NASA's new mission is to plagiarize where no plagiarism has gone before?

I'm not aware that anyone has really gone Hari Seldon and mastered any of this stuff, other than to document and present.  So why doesn't NASA just reprint Asimov's "Foundation" and call it non-fiction?

I think most historic societies have collapsed mostly for ecological or political reasons, not economic, and not resource-based as such, other than when the rain stopped falling everyone starved.  Rome was a political mess, but it's entirely possible the trigger to the collapse and non-recovery was a period of bad global weather.  Too many Fiat SUVs, I suppose.

What an embarrassment just call this Obamascience and let it go at that.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:06 | 4575195 Cycle
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hiccup, burp

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:08 | 4575360 The_Prisoner
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If you had read Tainter you would know that according to his theories societies collapse due to increasing complexity leading to diminishing returns. To me that is a pretty good argument for limited government.

He does a pretty good job of disproving alternative theories of collapse too, hence the 500 pages.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:30 | 4575422 I Write Code
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I'll read it if I get a chance, but it sounds really dumb to me.  It's a matter of cause and effect.  As the mine runs out the procedures get more complex, but it's not "complexity" that is the problem.  Correlation is not causation.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:29 | 4575604 The_Prisoner
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You are being simplistic. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are trying to make a genuine argument, instead of just trying to be a smart-arse.

To use your analogy, the procedures getting more complex are not necessarily a consequence of the mine running out. They can become more complex due to increased bureaucracy; interest groups lobbying for more women/gays/indians/pygmees in the workplace, or other interest groups chaining themselves to the conveyour belts becasue mining causes global warming and so you have to beef up your security system.

Professor Tainter's argument is that complexiby breeds complexity. And it is only through actively reducing complexity that diminishing returns can be averted. Previous complex societies did not avert their course of increased complexity until they reach a point in which failure was inevitable and often a preferred outcome. The Roman periphery allowed the barbarians in because for them the costs of the roman Empire far outstripped the benefits. (ahem, taxation without representation).




Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:31 | 4575427 Thought Processor
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Both corruption and secrecy breed complexity.  Put them into a Government and it is magnified 10 fold.


So yes, I would agree, there is a good reason for a limited Government.  Something the Founding Fathers knew all to well.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:22 | 4575581 Seer
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"I think most historic societies have collapsed mostly for ecological or political reasons, not economic, and not resource-based as such, other than when the rain stopped falling everyone starved. "

Can you re-word this?  Parse it out as to what you "think" is responsible for societal collapses?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:35 | 4575094 mail2smitty1
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NASA denies...

March 20, 2014

RELEASE 14-082

NASA Statement on Sustainability Study

The following is a statement from NASA regarding erroneous media reports crediting the agency with an academic paper on population and societal impacts.

"A soon-to-be published research paper 'Human and Nature Dynamics (HANDY): Modeling Inequality and Use of Resources in the Collapse or Sustainability of Societies' by University of Maryland researchers Safa Motesharrei and Eugenia Kalnay, and University of Minnesota’s Jorge Rivas was not solicited, directed or reviewed by NASA. It is an independent study by the university researchers utilizing research tools developed for a separate NASA activity.

"As is the case with all independent research, the views and conclusions in the paper are those of the authors alone. NASA does not endorse the paper or its conclusions."

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:41 | 4575117 knukles
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Then fuck NASA and the Media, too

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:24 | 4575590 Seer
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And, well, you were wrong about jumping all over them for this report.  But, good way to brush that aside... (sometimes the bait is just too tempting- eh?)

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:39 | 4575101 Stuck on Zero
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Every island civilization in history has populated itself to death and self-destructed into civil war and mass deaths.  Only mass emigration could stop this.  Where will people go from this island earth?



Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:27 | 4575599 Seer
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"Where will people go from this island earth?"

I suspect that this question has been with us for a long time now.  Two different sides have been working on it for a long time:

A) Rapturists (God comes and swoops people up);

B) Technologists (rocket ships take people away).

Clearly the memberships are limited...  I just wish the lot of them could have their way, BEFORE they fuck up the planet.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:22 | 4575900 trader1
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there's also a third team...

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 09:04 | 4576440 Tall Tom
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And nobody believes that they are heading straight for it...

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:40 | 4575114 q99x2
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We are in the beginning of a Solar shut down concerning sunspots.

The study was made to produce funding from carbon taxes.

The rate that the planet has begun to cool is unprecedented except prior to ice ages.

The study failed to achieve its outcome. 

It should have went more like this:

Get rid of the Globalists and re-distribute their stolen wealth and the planet will stop warming.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:42 | 4575120 Anonymouse
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Most people don't realize that NASA stands for the "National, Aeornautics, and Space Administration".  Clearly this study falls in the "national" part of their mandate

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:46 | 4575133 zionhead
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There must be a secret message in this Simon Black post, but something tells me only Fonestar will get the message.

It must be something about BITCOIN cultures.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:44 | 4575130 zionhead
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Simon Black Misconstrues "NASA WORK"

The above is THE REAL TITLE of this post.

Some might think its the job of NASA is Aeronautics and Space, ... but NASA is actually involved in a lot of nefarious NSA/CIA bio-weapons programs going back to 1960's.


Bored Google "NASA plans for Genocide"

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:47 | 4575137 rsnoble
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Let me guss........this is so NASA can get additional funding so they can figure out a way to get the elite off the planet. LOL.  Hell, just send them to the sun plenty of room there!

A few for one.  How tech will we be with the UN now in charge of the net?

Will some distant race millions of years from now unearth a still radioactive 3D printing machine and be amazed at how genius we were?

IMO we are at the cusp of a new beginning AND our potential demise at the SAME TIME.

Just keep in mind we have people like Soros, Obama and McCain at the helm.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:49 | 4575144 rsnoble
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BTW I might smoke a big fattie tomorrow and read that report in the link.  It will probably be far more entertaining and the graphs easier to understand.  Hell I may even make my own graphs at that stage lol.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:57 | 4575174 FredFlintstone
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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:30 | 4575607 Seer
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Um, I think that NASA is saying that they DIDN'T commission this.  If they're looking to garner funds I'd think that they'd take credit for it.  Seems logical...

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:47 | 4575139 Duc888
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Greed driven Ponzi's always collapse.  Why should this time be any different?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:53 | 4575160 rsnoble
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"Because I fuckin say so goddamnit and if you don't fucking agree you're goin to fuckin jail you asshole terrorist!!". Mr. Obama.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:53 | 4575161 Shad_ow
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Game. Set. Match.  Your post, sir, is the winner.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:32 | 4575613 Seer
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People promise what people want to hear...

"We can have perpetual growth!" (utter BS, not in any finite dimension, and This is the origin of The Ponzi)

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:50 | 4575149 franciscopendergrass
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The decline of any civilization or empire is 100% attributed to its government and usually the bigger the government the more likely it will fail.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:51 | 4575154 franciscopendergrass
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You can't spell NASA with out NSA.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:31 | 4575204 zionhead
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Shutdown NASA Houston and Alambama and transfer 10,000 scientists and engineers where pray tell?

Send them to UTAH, Bluffdale biggest SCIENTIFIC center on earth.

Operation Paperclip lives forever in NAZI-USA.


Also yep, to remind all that essentially 99% of all space lift missions ever done by NASA,  were to life NSA space satellites and space weapons into space.

NASA is the space arm of NSA.


NSA only thinks about ways to spy or kill, NASA get's to think about social problems. How to love your enemy to death.



Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:54 | 4575162 cooperbry
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Is this what they call mission creep ?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:04 | 4575193 zionhead
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It's worse than that, long ago NASA brought us powdered orange juice 'TANG", and many things, like modern electronics,...

But as you all know, no matter how much 'POWER' we have in space, its never enough for the politicians on earth.

We know that INFINITE FIAT goes to the NSA/CIA, but NOT to NASA, and NASA has be de-funded and de-funded into oblivion post Challenger diasaster of the shuttle.


NASA began as a space-war with RUSSIA for political purpose, to this day more people believe that going to the moon was 'faked than believe that 911 was an inside (CIA) job.


Here's the deal NASA with their great collection of scientists long ago were contracted out to do BLACK-WORK, and WET-OPS for the CIA/NSA.

NASA came out of operation-paperclip, everybody working on NASA was NAZI scientist to begin with, do you really think they's guy gave up on GENOCIDE and CULTURAL SUPERIORITY when they left Nazi Germany for NAZI USA? They did not.

Out in the open NASA's job is space, but deep inside of NASA, well it might as well be called NAGA,

The Nazi Space and Genocide Agency.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:59 | 4575183 ChacoFunFact
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There is only one agency in this country that monitors the weather both below and above our atmosphere and thats NASA.  If they are looking into the collapse of civilization then it is because they are picking up something out there.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:02 | 4575184 Soul Glow
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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:02 | 4575185 AsIseeIt
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I thought this was a good "Collapse" read.  Warning:  for the analytically inclined!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:35 | 4575621 Seer
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Kudos for being beyond simpleton name-calling.

However, does one really need 78 pages to point out that BIG = FAIL?  OK, that's MY equation, but I stand by it.

It's a battle against entropy, and as we increase the stakes we have to increase the energy applied to hold entropy at bay.  Eventually entropy wins.  Nature has all the time in the world and can adjust to anything: cannot say the same for humans.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:08 | 4575205 dexter_morgan
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Do you own Space? No, NAYSA does.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:13 | 4575217 zionhead
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GOOGLE nasa nsa cia "operation paperclip"

There are 1000's of storys, and many utube's for those who can't read, but the papers are obviously better.


Operation Paperclip: The CIA and the Nazis - YouTube
? 44:51 Sep 2011 - 45 min - Uploaded by Malcolm X
Operation Paperclip: The CIA and the Nazis. Malcolm ... This in turn led to the foundation of ...
Operation Paperclip- The CIA, NASA & The Third Reich - YouTube
? 44:51 Mar 2013 - 45 min - Uploaded by STEOS76
Operation Paperclip- The CIA, NASA & The Third Reich ... Security - NSA - CIA ...
Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:16 | 4575221 zionhead
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I remember 50+ years ago, I was told that NASA could read a package of cigarettes on the ground from outer space.

Now with MH-370 they can't find a '777' something is rotten in the MSM.

Learn all you can about "Boeing un-interruptable autopilots", read from the DHS/FEMA sites, about how they have all the airplanes in control from one 'super secret' service center, its not clear if its GUBMINT or Boeing, ... the location of the center is top-secret, but it would be interesting to know where it is, ... as nothing is really secret, ...

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