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Ron Paul Warns "We're Just Stirring Up Trouble In Crimea"

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"I think it was wrong for us to get involved and participate in the overthrow of the government," exclaims Ron Paul in this brief clip, adding the US is "stirring up trouble in Crimea." The American people are "tired of it," and "it would be best for us to stay out." The US doesn't need another war - and certainly can't afford it - and "we don't want trade wars." Simply put, he concludes, "it's best we stay out."



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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 16:48 | 4574314 skwid vacuous
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Give 'em hell Ron-

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:26 | 4574649 holmes
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Nobody says it better than Ron Paul

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 16:46 | 4574315 Robot Traders Mom
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Ol' Ron Paul...


Making far too much sense for the Amerikan people. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 16:59 | 4574361 LFMayor
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OT, but where the hell is that lad of yours?  He pull a carradeine or something?


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:05 | 4574381 Dr. Engali
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All of our good trolls got 86'd. A lot of this place's personality went with them.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:09 | 4574394 skwid vacuous
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as much as we bashed Robo, he was right about this QE fueled retardo market, either he killed himself on his dirtbike or he's sipping cognac on the French Riviera with some hot babes

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:36 | 4575437 fockewulf190
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He could also be shacked up in a flea ridden motel, nursing a bad case of the clap that he picked up while hunting for cheap ho´s from downtown Caracas.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:14 | 4574605 Libertarian777
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Stupidly his son said if he was president he wouldn't have let Russia 'get away' with it...

Rand is a neo-con. Pretending to be a libertarian.

The oddest thing, for everyone who's opposed to Russia taking over Crimea, they want to give Russia their money back? It's so fucked up it's unbelievable.

Where the fuck does everyone think the $38bn the Ukraine needs will go? It will go to Russia to pay their natural gas and crude oil bill.

Why don't we just directly buy Russia some tanks, combat planes and ships instead of going through the Ukrainian middleman? After all, when we go to war and destroy that equipment, it will end the recession according to Paul Krugman.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:10 | 4575210 Greenskeeper_Carl
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It is a shame about rand. His daddy needs to take him out back and beat some liberty into him. Especially since every poll says Americans don't want us getting involved, he could come out with something like "we condemn the Russian incursion into the Ukraine and call on a peaceful end to this conflict, and ask that the sovereignty of all nations be respected, but as this does not directly impact America's national security, we will not be involving ourselves in this internal conflict" it is surprising you only got one down vote for calling out rand Paul though. I guess as long as you don't question mark levin or Sarah palin you are ok though....

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:04 | 4574377 McMolotov
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I'd estimate maybe 1 in 100 Amerikans have heard the "Fuck the EU" recording and are aware of the level of meddling the US is engaging in. Most people are just woefully ignorant when it comes to what's going on, and while it's easy to blame the media for acting as propagandists, there really isn't an excuse anymore since facts are freely available on the internet.

Most Amerikans just prefer to remain in the dark because the truth is too scary.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:07 | 4574388 Dr. Engali
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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:45 | 4574492 krispkritter
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Ed Zachary Disease.  Where the pols in charge have their heads and asses looking exactly the same.  I also refer to this as 'Rectal-cranial Inversion Disease' and in most cases it's synonomous with 'Rectal-cranial Impaction Disease'.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:12 | 4574407 StupidEarthlings
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I agree almost 100%...

Im gonna doubt the number is as high as "1" in 100... Unfortunately. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:25 | 4574440 swmnguy
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Or all they heard was, "Fuck the E.U.," and it got them into a "Freedom Fries," "It's not a war until the French surrender" giggling fit, and that's all the more they thought about it.  They sure didn't read or listen to the other 99% of the conversation, which laid out pretty clearly why Putin is so pissy about this.  Actually, the rest of the conversation reveals why the US isn't going to do much about this.  The banksters have already gotten what they want.  Their boy "Yats" handed over all the gold, and now they're going to impose crushing "Austerity" on Ukrainians, which will draw a knowing shudder from Greeks, Latvians and the Irish.  Oh, and anybody with bank deposits worth more than $9,675 (100,000 Hryvnia) is going to get the Corzine/Cyprus treatment.  Never mind the price of natural gas in Ukraine.  If it doubles they got off lucky.

But yeah, it was funny when that lady said "Fuck the E.U."  Stupid frog-and-cheese eating surrender monkeys. Ha-ha.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 19:23 | 4574840 Freddie
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Yes I agree but the western newsmedia is pulling out all the stops to demonize Putin.  I don't watch scum TV but even sites like National Review and others are in full retard mode.  Idiots on Free Republic attacking Putin lovers as it is a Neo Con site.  The libatrd sites are probably exponentially worse.  They are saying Tea Baggers love Putin.  Sick.

Soros and the Zato types are spreading the lies in all the newsmedia.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:46 | 4575115 vulcanraven
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Got into a conversation at my local bar with an attorney over the whole Ukraine situation last weekend. I broke down the Nuland phone call to him and he vehemently denied the fact that it even happened. He proceeded to ask me "where are you getting this stuff??" I told him to go on youtube and listen to it for himself. He fired back at me with "man, you can't believe everything you see or read on the internet as fact, most of these alternative news sites have not been vetted for authenticity, mainstream news has a strict code they must follow or they can flat out get sued for false reporting."

I give up man, I really do. Fuck this ride I want off now. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:47 | 4575295 Dull Care
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The idiocy of boobus americanus goes beyond the scales these days. The Zombie fad couldn't be more fitting.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:38 | 4574481 drendebe10
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If there is a catastrophic outcome from all this, then maybe it will go down in history as a major screw up by the arrogant, narcissistic, lying, illegal alien kenyan muslim sociopathic ignoramus fudge packer in chief.  Even if that were to happen, doubt the sheeple would wake up enough to know what happened and of course the pravda MSM will bury it....  what a great country.... 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:09 | 4574584 Blues Traveler
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Oblunder is gnawing at the bit to declare marshal law

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:41 | 4574645 WhyWait
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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 16:47 | 4574318 22winmag
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Ron Paul... nice guy.


Also living proof that genuine, significant change cannot and will not ever come from within a hopelessly corrupt system.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:11 | 4574401 Ifigenia
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Ron Paul is the modern Laoconte. The modern trojans, blindly lead by the ethernal jews would only fuck him.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 16:48 | 4574320 LibertyBear
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I always thought Ron was a good debater. But MSM always says otherwise.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:20 | 4574621 Libertarian777
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it's odd. In all his debates, he debates facts.

While people often say the Left doesn't like facts and makes emotional arguments, the Neocon right does the exact same. For example:

Ron says: "let the market take care of healthcare"; and the left says "you'll let people die on the street!" 

The reality is Ron, as a physician would provide services to people on the street without charge. Those left liberals wouldn't lift a damn finger to help a homeless person themselves (but they will spend all of YOUR tax money to help that homeless person).

Ron says: "we don't need to go to war with Libya / Iran / Syria / Iraq / Somalia / Kenya / Uganda / etc"; the right says "you isolationist! if we don't bomb the brown/black/green/orange/pink people, then they will soon invade the USA with terrorists. And we don't need any more terrorists in the USA, we already have 330 million of them {that's why we need the NSA program to monitor all these terrorists!})

Either way both sides argue with emotions, while Ron debates facts. 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 16:50 | 4574326 ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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As usual the only sensible, well thought out advice comes from the guy widely viewed to be a dangerous crank.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 16:51 | 4574327 Dr. Engali
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Juxtapose Ron Paul's response against Zero's, Mcshitstain's, and Boner's then ask yourself who you would prefer to lead this country. I think the answer is obvious.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:13 | 4574412 Ifigenia
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Ron would never lead America, because he just represents the interests of 99 sheeps and not the majority 1%

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:21 | 4574624 Libertarian777
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anyone with even elementary logic training will come to the same conclusion as ZH and Ron Paul. It's like Ron Paul said, if you tell the truth, you don't need to have a good memory!

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:54 | 4574739 franciscopendergrass
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You had me at "Mcshitstain's"

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 16:52 | 4574340 Ribeye
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inspirational man, 

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 16:56 | 4574348 FieldingMellish
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Too late. We are in and in balls deep.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 16:58 | 4574357 LFMayor
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Does Ron have gazprom stocks, too?  He must have missed the email to sell.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:02 | 4574369 ebworthen
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Ron Paul is right; however, I think the Military Industrial Complex wants to stir up trouble.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:18 | 4575034 SAT 800
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NO ! REALLY ? What an amazing thought.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:05 | 4574382 kurt
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Remember Ross Perot? "Giant Sucking Sound" was our jobs and industry leaving on deregulation and Nafta. They shut him down, the psycho-manipulators, and they probably have an entire office dedicated to shutting down Ron Paul.

I'd like to punch those guys in the face.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:25 | 4574441 BlackChicken
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I remember when he was in the run, he was asked how many limousines he had in his entourage (as if that had any real bearing on his ability to lead). His reply: we rented a car.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:35 | 4574469 Duke Dog
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Yep, back when he was running in 1992. a local radio station here in Dallas called him up while he was driving down the ND tollway to get an interview. He was driving his Pontiac to WORK. They were fucking amazed that he didn't have a driver. During the same interview he told 'em that he still got his hair cut at the same place he had for 20+ years - $7.25.

Could we use a guy like that right now? I voted for him then and never again voted for a goddamned mainstream republican.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:25 | 4574640 Blues Traveler
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Perot was the Man, brillant problem solver who was street wise and could be ruthless when confronted w execuses or incomeptence. I interned for Perot Systems when it first started.  He nailed NAFTA but he underestimated the ignorance/compicity of the press and underestimated the level of corruption w/n both parties as they traded american souls for asian dollars. 



Thu, 03/20/2014 - 19:29 | 4574867 Freddie
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He also knew who the real Connecticut Bush klan were.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:23 | 4575586 newdoobie
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Ross was paid to split the repuke vote. A tried and true tactic used over and over by the Clintons. Who was the first guest invited to the white house after Bills win? (it wasn't Oprah)

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:37 | 4575880 Blankenstein
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How about the tactic to disparage those who really are good??  You know, the tried and true tactics of David Axelrod and other henchmen of TPTB.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 19:36 | 4574886 Quantum Nucleonics
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Perot actually was wrong.  The jobs would have left with or without NAFTA.  The taxes and regulatory environment in the US drove manufacturing away. (If you account for productivity, 3rd world labor really isn't all that cheap)

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:14 | 4575020 kurt
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What ya gonna do when they come for you...

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 03:59 | 4575947 Lester
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Never heard of The Carribean Basin Initiative?

Our USA Congress voted to pay $10,000 to corporate America for every job they relocated to approved CBI Nations.


Paid OUR MONEY to make jobs go away!  Tip of the iceberg...

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:10 | 4574397 JustObserving
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 "it's best we stay out."

The Vietnam war cost $738 billion in 2011 dollars and yet forced the US off the gold standard on Aug. 15, 1971.  The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have a price tag of $6000 billion.  Can we afford another war?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:45 | 4574503 Zymurguy
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Of course we can, our printers go to 11.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 19:45 | 4574918 Quantum Nucleonics
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"it's best we stay out"

Isn't that what Neville Chamberlain and Lord Halifax told each other when Germany seized the Sudetenland?  That certainly turned out swell.

Someone should tell Ron (and Obama) that having a spine is ok.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:13 | 4574410 Vincent Vega
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I'm beginning to think Ron Paul and Tyler Durden are one in the same. ;-)

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:42 | 4574489 markar
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Dont guys like Ron Paul, David Stockman & Paul Craig Roberts have any friends in high enough places to do something about this shit?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:40 | 4574681 WhyWait
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Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:39 | 4574682 WhyWait
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We will get nowhere by waiting for friends in high places.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:44 | 4574498 Ariadne
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What do you mean by "we", Mr. Congressman? In my whole life Congress has never on its best day represented me, not one time. I would be better off if Washington DC, NYC, Basel, Geneva, Tel Aviv and London were all vaporized today.

This one is all yours.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:20 | 4575040 SAT 800
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Neither Basel nor Geneva are a threat to you or me; otheriwse, yes. The Swiss like to mind their own business.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 23:04 | 4575525 StychoKiller
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Umm, WHERE is B.I.S. located?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:54 | 4574531 A Lunatic
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If my taxpayer dollars are going to be used to overthrow a government I want it to be my own.........

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 17:57 | 4574542 litemine
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A parade should be held in every City/ Town with everyone marching, holding a American Flag Upside Down or with a Black Flag saying Mainstreet will not surrender.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:00 | 4574553 Everybodys All ...
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Let me push back a little at least. What about the treaty signed with the Ukraine by Bill Clinton and reaffirmed by president Obama? The Ukraine willfully gave up their military and nukes with the understanding that we would have their back in this scenario. Is our word with the Ukrainian people just bluster now? Our belief in freedom and liberty is meant to keep the stains of Soviet occupation and aggression from reoccurring again? Do any of you know how many Ukrainian people were murdered, yes murdered by Stalin and the Soviet Union? It was in the millions. Today Crimea tomorrow what else does former KGB Putin require. For me the eastern half of Ukraine is the red line that would not be crossed but you better be willing to put American, NATO, or UN troops on the ground right now. This is Obama's 3am phone call and it would appear he is fast asleep.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:07 | 4574575 Ariadne
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Good point. If the federal government had impeached and prosecuted the Clintons and Gores for treason as they were empowered to do, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Burn it down.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:11 | 4574593 A Lunatic
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Our Government doesn't keep it's word with IT'S OWN CITIZENS. Do you know how many people have been MURDERED by U.S. efforts to "Democratize" the world?? Do you know how many of our TAXPAYER dollars have been WASTED in foreign lands?? Do you realize the rest of the world hates our foreign policy and wishes we would mind our own fucking affairs........??

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:30 | 4574658 Everybodys All ...
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re: Our Government doesn't keep it's word with IT'S OWN CITIZENS. I agree.

Our current leadership has no moral compass and therefore doesn't think it has the authority. When governments have no desire to rid the corruption from the system people lose faith. Btw freedom everywhere has a cost and inaction by our government will only lead to a darker future for the rest as despots fill the vacuum left behind.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:46 | 4574712 A Lunatic
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Our Government is overreaching it's constitutional authority every time it intervenes in a foreign land. The cost of Freedom is not one a GOVERNMENT can pay, in fact, it's all men can do to remain free under the hand of government because more government equals less freedom; always... An immoral government cannot take any actions that will promote freedom, unless of course "Freedom" to you is 57 channels, a six pack in the fridge,and the right to vote.......

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 22:47 | 4575473 WhyWait
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"Our Government doesn't keep it's word with IT'S OWN CITIZENS."

"When governments have no desire to rid the corruption "

"... inaction by our government will only lead to a darker future for the rest as despots fill the vacuum left behind."

So let me see if I understand you.  Are you calling us to rally to this faithless corrupt government to fight despots?  Will there be a darker future if this faithless corrupt government doesn't prevail?

Just exactly how much worse do the other governments have to be for us to rally behind our own as it picks a war with them on the far side of the world?  


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 19:21 | 4574834 Gadfly
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Paranoid projection of past historical events.  B.S.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:25 | 4575062 SAT 800
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Wake up; fool. Stalin is dead; he was a one man dictatorship and a murderous psycho; but he's gone. Clinton and Obama are both one world govt. criminals; I'd be glad to wipe my ass with anything they signed. Yes, our word is just bluster; Clintonbluster and Obamablab; get over it; they're not your presidents they don't represent you; they respresent something so evil you would recoil in horror from it if you understood for one moment what it was. This region is a natural part of Russia as a trading area; like Texas is a natural part of the US; it's a been that way since long before there was a United States.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 02:08 | 4575857 fxchange
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While signing Germany reunion NATO pledged to Gorbachev not to expamd to East Germany not to say about East Europe and former USSR.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:07 | 4575957 dreadnaught
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i think you fell for that hook line and sinker-sounds like the Ukraine still has nukes as they have threatened to use them

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:04 | 4574568 Stroke
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I'm glad I voted for him...even though I had to write him in, and my vote wasn't counted

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 19:49 | 4574930 RevRex
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Ron Paul said conservatives who voted for a third Party candidate were wasting their votes. Was he right?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:49 | 4574653 WhyWait
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The problem is not the American people! 

Did you ever see the site  People answer a questionnaire on their views on the issues in play, these are then matched against the positions of the candidates.  Unfortunately I don't know how to find the archived results from later in the season but when I printed the running totals in Sept. 2007 the three "fringe candidates", Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Ron Paul, divided up 71.3% of the first choices.  

Paul led the Republicans with 10,139, or 6.9% of the respondents. (29.9% of the Republican matches.)  Kucinich, a "labor populist", led with 85052 "best matches", or 57.5%. (I remember he reached over 60% by the end.) Gravel, sometimes called the "Father of Alaskan Statehood", came in tied with Paul at 6.9% best matches.  15 other candidates split up the remaining 28.7% of the matches, with Obama in 8th place at 3.0% "best matches" and McCain in 11th place at 1.7%. 

Kucinich, Gravel and Paul were distinguished from the rest of the pack by similar and strongly held positions opposing the wars and in defense of constitutional rights.  Kucinich and Gravel received almost zero press coverage, and what little they got treated them as a joke.  They were given only a few minutes each in debates, and were dropped early as not having a serious campaign.  

Kucinich had campaign committees in all 50 states and the largest number of individual donations of any candidate of either party, but was far back in the pack in dollar amount raised. He was dropped from the Hawaii debate by the host organization, the AARP, a major health insurance broker, presumably to stop him from savaging the "Romney Plan" that later morphed into Obamacare.  At the end of this, his second presidential bid, he was still at only about 70% name recognition.  

Many on this site know how Paul was treated. I'll let someone else tell that story.

Kucinich vs. Paul.  Now *that* would have been an election campaign to remember!  But it was not to be.

So how did we end up with the bogus McPain vs. Mystery Man circus?  My take:

  - The MSM   

  - Huge amounts of money in play (although nothing like what we'll see in 2016), especially for seed money.  The Mystery Man for example was propelled forward by large early donations raised by GS and CitiBank.

  - The Party Machines, Labor, Chambers of Commerce and the like tilt heavily toward established figures they've already invested money in. 

  - "Fringe candidates" need the backing of mass movements - not just election campaigns - to get past the television backout.  

FWIW, the people are much angrier now, disillusioned and desperate, and many more turn to the Internet for news.  By 2016 no one will be able to deny the economy is a disaster.  If the US hasn't succeeded in starting WWIII, we will likely be tied up in new unwinnable wars, perhaps with troops on the ground in Syria, Libya, Turkmenistan and Ukraine. If we are still able to have something like a real election, it may not look like anything in living memory.  And if they try to cheat us again it might not be as simple as the last time!

So you might want to  let go of your story that the people are the problem, and start organizing!


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 19:48 | 4574927 RevRex
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Even most conservatives are stupid enough to let the Socialist Semite Democrat Media tell them who to vote  for. That's why we got Romney and McCain.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:32 | 4574665 yellowsub
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Doesn't Ron Paul know by now the US is looking for world domination?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 18:57 | 4574750 Bastiat
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Ron Paul has been the only peace candidate for a long time.


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 19:13 | 4574800 Quantum Nucleonics
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Why is Ron Paul, who allegedly is a fan of the US Constitution, pimping for socialist dictators and thugs?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:02 | 4574974 WhyWait
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If we get sucked into arguing about the virtues and flaws of the intended victims we side with the bully. 

Putin is not our problem.  Our problem is the Security State, and the banksters and kleptocrats it serves.

Paul has it right.  As the war propaganda drums beat louder it will take leaders with strong principles to stand up to it.

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:26 | 4575064 Quantum Nucleonics
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What is Putin if not the ultimate symbol for the security state, kleptocracy, and banking-financial cronyism?  As Reagan showed, we can speak the virtues of freedom.  If you ignore the victims of tyranny, shrink meekly into a hole, you're likely to be tyranny's next victim. (Well actually eastern Ukraine is next, then on to Vilnius.)

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:06 | 4575955 dreadnaught
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oh, us when your IQ rises above 75 PLEASE. other wise let us be....thank you

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:27 | 4575070 SAT 800
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Oh piss off; fool. If you're that stupid I'm not going to waste time trying to talk to you.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:03 | 4575953 dreadnaught
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+10 re: the fool

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 04:02 | 4575952 dreadnaught
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strange-show me just where RP says he supports the "Government" of the Ukraine?    :p

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 19:45 | 4574915 RevRex
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Ron Paul says conservatives who vote 3rd party are wasting their vote. Is he right?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 20:25 | 4575061 Ariadne
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If robbers are left handed or right handed, does it matter?

Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:26 | 4575248 WhyWait
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That's not a matter of principle, but of practicality.  Our winner-take-all election system strongly favors two parties, so third-party candidates like Perot, Anderson and Nader are seen as - and in the final analysis usually are - spoilers.

That leaves primaries as the place to fight for a new direction.  So get over it.   Look at them not as parties in the sense that other countries have parties, but as stages, or battlefields. The spectrum of interests and directions in America is far too vast to fit into two parties, and can't.  


Thu, 03/20/2014 - 21:30 | 4575256 dexter_morgan
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Why do we get 2 or 3 same posters in every RP thread trying to get everyone arguing about some nonsensical bullshit they have against him. The old divide and conquer boys.

Fri, 03/21/2014 - 01:37 | 4575831 Joenobody12
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Why is common sense so difficult for our dear leader Ooobumpba

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