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Ukraine Goes Cyprus 2.0, To Tax Deposits Over 100,000 Hryvnia (To Appease IMF?)
It would appear the IMF's dirty little fingerprints are all over this latest piece of legislation in Ukraine. The Ukraine Finance Ministry is proposing to take a very-similar-to-Cyprus approach to bailing in its despositors:
- *UKRAINE PROPOSES NEW TAX ON DEPOSITS EXCEEDING 100,000 HRYVNIA
- *UKRAINE TAX PROPOSAL WOULD INCLUDE 1.5% OF ALL DEPOSITS
This would appear a measure designed to stabilize the budget for potential IMF negotiations and fits perfectly with what the IMF has consistently hinted as the next steps for many nations.
This is further to the news last week that a 25% deposit "tax" was being considered...
Ukraine's parliament is to consider draft laws which would ban foreign-currency bank deposits and introduce a 25% tax on interest on deposits in banks and other financial institutions in circumstances where the interest received is more than 5% above the rate set by the National Bank of Ukraine.
The proposed amendments to banking and tax legislation were put forward by Yevhen Sihal, who is a member of the country's ruling Party of Regions. In an explanatory note submitted with the drafts, he argued that the higher tax rate will encourage consumer spending, reduce the cost of business loans, and provide extra funding for the country's Pension Fund. Sihal also explained that his tax proposal is based on the experience of the Russian Federation.
Sihal's proposals have united the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) and the country's Communist Party in opposition. The NBU was quoted as saying that it was concerned about the politicization of economic issues, and that its policy was to increase the deposit base in line with international practice, while Communist leader Petro Symonenko suggested that the owners of large deposits will simply move their funds abroad to avoid the tax.
We assume, just as with Cyprus, that the big money has already left the building leaving small businesses and the average joe to foot the IMF-demanding bill (for the good of the country) to get their bailout funds.
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Just keep your "money" in dollars and banks you pathetic sheep.
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More bank bail-ins...... When are people gonna learn this type of shit isn't bullish.
You can't make this shit up. The rest of Ukraine is going to want to join Russia after hearing this news.
That's the reason for the war games; keep the sheep in line and have boots on the ground and lots of weapons in case they want freedom too.
What a disaster. Does anyone on the EU/US side ever think of the next move before making the first?
So when will the financial media hint that since the US supports this government in Ukraine and now Ukraine bailing in their banks with depositors that perhaps this bailin policy is endorsed by he US government? I won't hold my breath.
That could never happen here? /s
The Raping of the Ukraine by the IMF has just begun.
Look at Ukraine rush back to Russia at eh terms of the IMF will be way to bitter. I give them one year to have their own counter revolution in Kiev.
You can't make this shit up. The rest of Ukraine is going to want to join Russia after hearing this news.
exactly Putin's plan - which is why he is just sitting back and waiting - won't take long - Putin 3 ObamaNazis 0
Welcome to the EU! We congratulate you on your membership!
Give us your money.
So wait, the people have to pay for the bailouts?
Didn't they freely vote for Yankabitch before they threw him out? Whatever debt he ran up belongs to the people - they voted for it.
At least that seems to be the view of the Putin fanboys. They spout how Yankabitch was elected and there was a coup and yadda yadda... If everything was so great then how come such an already poor country has taken on such a huge debt and has nothing to show for it?
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A hyvernia sound like a medical condition involving the vulva (aka US politicians).
Svedish hyvernia (hernia) ya.
or
Svedish HyVernia (Hi Vern, ya).
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@John39
How The IMF Will Loot UkraineThis ethnic convert was spot on.
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=908
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=898
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Ukraine and EU, E U and TPTB ..... so happy together!
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So how is the WEATHER?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFyTHc9IgKU
RIPS
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http://i.imgur.com/wd8J1Ne.jpg
Yes, it's doomed!!!
See, it's the END! Bitcoin is dead, done, finished.
I should have said that the fall from 1095 in december to todays 590 is pretty fucking awesome stuff and that BTC is a great store of value because of it. No doom here. Now move along, nothing to see here.
sure enough crickets and a downvote. predictable as always
just because its anonymous founder abandoned it, does not mean it's doomed!
you should have kept your silver - anything that you cannot hold in YOUR hand will soon vanish
I can hold a fart in my hand.
Long oil, gold, bitcoin. Short farts.
Need a lighter?
Got something in your hands like gold/silver?
Oh yeah, forgot to add Die Bankers Die...!
It is very hard to tax what cannot be found
Gold, bitchez
Gold, guns, and grain.
Why grain? I use it to make beer. And beer doesnt start with a "g"
Grain alcohol might be better. You can use it for cooking, cleaning, fuel, and drinking. Besides, if you ever need to have a self destruct mechanism, an exploding still can help (so don't keep it in the house...)
Now I lay me down to sleep. Die fucking bunker die. I pray my soul to keep. Die banker die. You know the rest. Sing along if you want.
Catchy tune, the kind that you just can't stop humming all day long ;-)
Dark and lonely on the summer night.
Kill my landlord, kill my landlord.
Watchdog barking - Do he bite?
Kill my landlord, kill my landlord.
Slip in his window,
Break his neck!
Then his house
I start to wreck!
Got no reason --
What the heck!
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C-I-L-L ...
My land - lord ...
Def!
Gold, silver.
Putin just wants you too pay your fucking gas bills, the EU wants everything in their pockets!
If your money is in a bank, it's not your fucking money, sorry people!
"It's all part of the plan." —the Joker
On a sidenote, when Ukrainians inevitably start fleeing the country, they shouldn't try to carry anything too heavy or they may get a Hryvnia.
Prepare for the flood of Russian re patriots..
More like prepare for the counter-coup.
They better get the billionaire oligarchs and Blackwater boys.
when are peeps going to wake up
Your fiat money is going to get stollen!
If every person got thier 5oz.......gold would be "how much"
Of course not every one can have thier 5oz cause the CB's and the smart ones are already ahead of the game
Oooopppssss. Looks like the Ukranians got fucked over now. Waiting for bankruns and for some sort of uprising and demand that the rest would like to join Russia. Tick-Tock Tick-Tock waiting waiting till it all starts.
did someone notice for how much they cut threshold for bail in. from ciprus 100,000 € to 100,000 UAH or 10,000 $ or 7,000 €
I have several friends and relatives in Ukraine, none of them keep any money in the bank. This won't affect them (at least, not directly). They learned their lesson when the USSR collapsed, they lost all their saving then. Most of them have long memories, and actually laugh when I ask about their "bank account". Money, for the most part, is kept at home, in the form of dollars or euros. It has been this way for many years now. Secondly, very few people would have that sum of money (100K UAH) in a bank, or anywhere else. People live largely from payday to payday. Note, I speak of the average Ukrainian on the street, not the richer 1% or so. In reality, this bail-in will affect very few, and the ones that it does affect, well, you can't fix stupid.
Here you go Ukrainian "uprising" you wanted to be debt serfs to the IMF and EU, ask and you shall receive.
I suspect that Ukranians will never be given the opportunity to vote on their future as the Crimeans were... instead they get mercenary snipers and color revolution thugs to make their decision for them.
Well, they allegedly wanted to join the EU, now they get what they wanted good and hard.
For some perspective, this is about 9,667 dollars, or 7,015 Euros. So we can see that they are really going after the truly wealthy.
Why do we have goverments after all?
Oh, to steal my money, I got it. So much fun.
"Why do we have goverments after all?"
Because all the ass-hats we hated in school formed a club to seek their revenge on us, by screwing up everything we make and do.
Because governments are nothing but THE most organized form of crime.
Why this is difficult for people I don't know. Europeans especially should know better.
Where do our governments come from? Monarchies (mostly).
What is a Monarch? He is the baddest fucker in the country. He defeated all his enemies and made the rest kneel and swear an oath of fealty.
How did he do this? Kind words? No, he killed them, with swords and guns.
So what is government? Government is the control of a country or state and alll it's people by the few, through force of arms. Don't believe me? Try not paying your taxes and then refusing to submit when they come for you.
Down goes the little guy!
Well, that makes the Crimeans look like they made a good decision.
You think!!!!
This will also push the E. Ukrainians to join there brothers from Crimea very soon, which will ignite a hot war, I wonder who wants that to happen???
Hint, not Putin!
I'm thinking a sporadically warm proxy war.
That should chase them to side with Russia.
We'll see what the snipers think of that.
Just default. It would be so much easier.
100,000 UAH = 9,675.86 USD, FWIW.
Hi Ukraine !
Is this the "hope and change "you were hoping for ?
The change part is where that's all you will have left when the IMF have "helped " you, maybe a few small coins each.
Have a look at Greece if you want to know what they have planned for you.
FUCKING IDIOTS.
Just like the USSA, Hope & Change was nothing but Hoax & Chains.
Fuck the dEbt Usurpers!
Welcome to the EU!!!!!
For your protection, please deposit all assets in the bin as you pass through security.
Nothing if not predictable.
To any sentient being out there reading this: do you really think they aren't going to do this in America or Europe?
Seriously? How much warning do you need?
@Seize Mars
spot on +1000
This whole lengthy preamble was just needed to determine where everyone would get placed in the new order.
At this rate, soon we will all be begging to join Russia...
Lagarde should be strapped down on her sunbed and left there to become toast.
She'd end up looking like a Grateful Dead cover.
She does now. What are you talking about?
S&P just downgraded Russia to BBB 1 above junk...
FUCK STANDARAD AND POORS FUCKING WORTHLESS BANKER MONEYCHANGER WHORES...
Yeah. What he said.
Ditto
Bought and paid for by the USSA...
Factoids:
Sihal has been pushing this since 2005.
Sihal is the Chicken King of Ukraine = worth $500MM. Just part of the cabal of neo Bolsheviks that were exited in Russia.
Sihal-sagal-seagal-shagal
all this just means Swan in Jewish Idish language.
Russia offers freedom. EU/IMF offer slavery.
Which is why I am moving there.
Save me a spot at the expat bar bro.
why anyone still trusts a bank with their money, especially a large sum, is a mystery
Russia can step in and nullify the ECB and US Fed.
Russsia is doing what the American people should have done, get rid of the bankster money changers.
Not trying to be /sarc here, trying to learn.
But in situations like this, people like to say gold and silver are a safe haven. Sure, right now if you live in Ukraine, you gold and silver are appreciating vs your local currency (UAH?)
But what if you live in the US and your assets are in Dollars. What if the powers that be are able to keep gold and silver suppressed in terms of dollars? What good would gold and silver be if they never go to $5,000/$50? What if they never appreciate in terms of dollars to reflect reality? Is that a possible scenario?
your absolutely correct CF. FDR confiscated all private gold holdings back in the earlies, so precedent has been set.
Jack Rickards "Currency Wars" is an excellent history. he even nailed the situation in Ukraine..........way back in 2010, when he wrote it.
its hard to fight city hall when they make up the rules as they go along. but know this - china has been buying all the gold they can get their hands on. and both china and russia would like to see the end of king dollar.
Gold is insurance.
Buy as much insurance as you think you need. Then hope it never pays out.
+1
The lights go off and bitcoin is a promise in the ether that may or may not come back, you can put a shiny gold coin in front of someone and buy what you want.
They successfully suppress nothing. The paper price is the price to hedge by selling a paper contract. They are idiots buying the top in the paper gold hedging market by shorting paper gold. Typical banker financial activity. Meanwhile the real gold they were obligated to store is slipping out of their vaults into smarter pockets.
in reply @ cannon folder.
If the USD$ were to fold or greatly depreciate the holders of gold could exchange* their gold for currencies which had not depreciated, or at least their saved gold would be valued at a rate exchangable against the non depreciated currencies. ( *assuming local laws at the time allow in said hypothetical situation).
When/if a new currency replaces the depreciated/defunct dollar and would then be valued against other world currencies and/or gold you would have retained the vaue of your holdings, the gold, whereas holders of dollars, in this situation, would only have the rate of their old $ against new $.
@Cannon Fodder,
They can only set the price because they still have some physical (at least they say they have ).
When the Comex is out of physical they will NOT have a say in the price.
RT just showed video of Ukrainians attacking a vodka factory. Apparently shareholders and Midan Criminals teamed up to try and capture the stock of vodka. Police arrived but did nothing. No word yet on who holds the vodka inventory on site. Seriously, could anyone make this shit up? Midan fighters stole 50 grain trucks and say they will use them for their self defense forces. Midan fighters robbed a Kiev bank, were arrested, and then ordered set free by the Kiev rulers! God, this is like an old Lonney Tunes cartoon. You wonder why Crimea voted to exit this fucking insane shit hole, bankrupt failed state. IMF is ordering pensions and pay slashed and industry and farm land sold to western bankers. Midan fighters, you are some smart fucks, I'll give you that. Crimea will see all it's debt paid by Russia, they will be debt free, also pensions and pay will rise to Russian Federation standards, doubling many people's incomes. No wonder the western baker's whores in Washington are going nuts. Give the old folks a raise! That is a war crime to our banker class of leeches.
Vodka is money during economic collpase.
There is a group of preppers somewhere who are saying "I told you, vodka, dude!" Those folks are fine and will ride out the next 90 days, no big problems, thank you.
Prepare in the US? What for? Everything, including natural disasters, are under control of the FED. No, really.
In Ukraine you don't withdrawal from banks, banks withdrawal from you.
F that I'd open up a Crimean bank account and get my free Putin Toaster. Works better than an Obama phone.
100000 hryvna is just aprox $10000
Geez
And the looting of Ukraine by the Western bankers continues. What a GD joke. Bankers paying for revolutions so they can loot. What is the ROI on this process?
When Rome was collapsing, people gladly left to join the "barbarians" because of this kind of corruption, oppression, taxing, and looting. Even the thugs in Ukraine must realize they have been had by now.
Monty Python is jealous of this comedy
I think Ukrainians should hold a nice little torchlight parade through the streets of Kiev in honour of their new Nazi/IMF freedom & wealth-bringers. Don't forget to bring your balaclavas and swastikas!
You fucked up. You trusted us.
Those Snippers just got robbed yo!
Average salary take home is 360$ a month..
LaGarde the Kleptokrat is coming for you!
How will this fair in the coming May elections in Ukraine ?
something I don't understand...
A tax is a compulsory contribution to state revenue.
A deposit is an IOU to the depositor, by the bank.
So does this mean that IOU's, currently held by the depositor are transferred to the state? If this is so, then does the bank then swap these IOUs with other IOUs issued by the state's central bank (in the form of currency)???
It seems to me that nothing has changed except the paper on which the IOU was written...
It's sad and funny. Alphabet agencies oust the democratically elected leader, install a banking insider/stooge as the new president, all the Ukrainian gold is looted by said alphabet agencies and banking insider/stooge and then it's announced that anyone with roughly $10,000 USD in their bank account is going to take a hair cut so their hard earned money can be given to a small group of un-elected people. Nice.
Let this be a lesson to other countries that are about to experience "freedom" via the USA/EU. If you country has protesters in your capital and there's talk of a coup in the air, DRAIN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT IMMEDIATELY!
As others have stated..... if you Ukrainians want a glimpse of your future, look no further than Cyprus and Greece. Welcome to serfdom, suckers.
I can't help but think that Putin, along with everyone else in the Kremlin, is laughing hysterically over all this.
Truly I tell you, if you have no soul and do not care, not only can you do what was done to the Cyprus tree, but also you can say to Ukraine, ‘Go, throw yourself into the debt sea,’ and it will be done. If you thieve, you will receive whatever you ask for in gold.
Perhaps I'm remembering Matthew 21 incorrectly.
Your fiat are belong to us.
I said it first this time!
Stealing innocent people's money is the only thing that the liberal activists are really really good at!
So the US gives billions to Ukraine as aid... which is promptly sent to Putin.... then the Ukrainian bank accounts are looted.... right! Next up, the IMF imposes austerity and privatizes gov't entities and infrastructure. To summarize, the oligarchs win and the sheeple take it squarely in the ass - again!
"On the economic side, Mr. President, we highly appreciate the support of the United States and the decision to guarantee $1 billion loan for the Ukrainian economy. You know that we resumed talks with the IMF. We do understand that these are tough reforms, but these reforms are needed for the Ukrainian state. And we are back on track in terms of delivering real reforms in my country.
As I already informed you, probably in the nearest future, next week or in 10 days, Ukraine is to sign a political part of -- association agreement with the European Union, and we want to be very clear that Ukraine is and will be a part of the Western world, and our Russian partners have to realize that we are ready to make a new type or to craft a new type of our relationship where Ukraine is a part of the European Union, but Ukraine is a good friend and partner of Russia.
So much will depend on whether Russia wants to have this talk and whether Russia wants to have Ukraine as a partner or as a subordinate. As I already indicated, we will never surrender and we will do everything in order to preserve peace, stability, and independence of my country. And we appreciate your personal support, the support of your government, support of the American people to the Ukrainian people.
-Arseniy "Arsenic" Yatsenyuk
Washington D.C. 12 Mar 2014
Let us run through the checklist shall we?
Hand-picked by US? ....check
Reliable and subservient stooge? ...check
Unelected? ...check
illegitimate? ...check
Technocrat? ...check
Right-wing reactionary? ...check
Jewish? ...check
Bankster? (er, Central Bank trained "economist") ... check
Pro IMF? ...check
Willing to let IMF loot the country? ...check
Abolish Russian language? ...check
Anti-Russian across the board? ...check
Unconditionally Pro-EU? ...check
Willing to make Ukraine a EU client state? ...check
Pro-NATO? ...check
Willing to fuck Ukrainians over in general? ...check
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I will speculate that the objectives are probably threefold-
1 IMF "reforms" implemented (wealth extraction in place)
2 EU "integration" groundwork implemented (client state in place)
3 Anti-Russian "policies" implemented (NATO integration in place)
Any fool can see why the US is pounding the table about the "legitimacy" of this government.
Any fool can see why the decisions of this minority, illegitimate, unrepresentative putschist faction in power must apply to the whole of Ukraine. Hence, the US' deep concern for the "territorial integrity" of Ukraine.
This program must be implemented before any democratically-elected government that might actually represent (even a little bit) the genuine interests of the populace has any chance to analyze the situation and make any decisions. There will be no national conversation/consultation.
Their decisions must apply to the whole of Ukraine before the Ukrainian citizenry has a say in it!
The "reforms" must be a fait accompli by binding treaties before any election or new government nonsense. Then the "international community" can hold the sword over any subsequent government's head.
Mission Accomplished!
What could possibly go wrong when the people realize what happened and the roto-rooter treatment begins?
Just remember Bershire/Buffet - if I'm not mistaken from what I read 5 years ago (nothing now), Berkshire has $tens of Billion in put options written on specifically the S&P with the bulk expiriing in 2015.
Now you know where his famous expression "Weapons of Mass Financial Destruction" came from, why he is a fucking Whore, and why the S&P has to be Bought at all Cost.
I do wish Tyler would look into that scam correlation/causation.
assume the position ukrainians kiss your money goodbye unless you have a matress safe!
"Yevhen Sihal, who is a member of the country's ruling Party of Regions. In an explanatory note submitted with the drafts, he argued that the higher tax rate will encourage consumer spending..."
How does a higher tax rate encourage consumer spending? Am I missing something here? LOL