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British Tax Authorities Just Out-Mafia'd The IRS
Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,
A few months ago, I told you about a bold report published within the IRS that absolutely blasted the agency’s mafia tactics.
In its 2013 annual report to Congress, the Office of the Taxpayer Advocate wrote that the IRS shows “disrespect for the law and a disregard for taxpayer rights.”
Further, the report says that the current system “disproportionately burdens those who [make] honest mistakes,” and that “tax requirements have become so confusing and the compliance burden so great that taxpayers are giving up their U.S. citizenship in record numbers.”
We all know the stories. The IRS has nearly infinite power to do whatever it wants, including freezing you out of your own bank account without so much as a phone call, let alone due process.
In the Land of the Free, people think they’re innocent until proven guilty. This is total BS. If you are only suspected of wrongdoing, you can be locked out of your entire savings.
This is an incredible amount of authority to wield.
But the British government has just gone even further.
Buried in its most recent budget package is a curt little paragraph that reads “The Government will modernise and strengthen [the tax agency's] debt collection powers to recover financial assets from the bank accounts of debtors who owe over £1,000 of tax.”
Read that one more time just to let it sink in.
The British government is setting an absurdly low threshold at £1,000… about $1,650 in back taxes.
And they’re saying that if the tax authorities believe you owe even just a minor tax debt, they will not only FREEZE your assets, they’ll dip into your bank account and TAKE whatever they want.
Judge, jury, and executioner. They get to decide in their sole discretion if you owe them money, and they get to take as much as they want to satisfy the debt.
It’s unbelievable.
I can’t even begin to imagine why any Brit in his/her right mind would continue to hold a substantial amount of savings in UK banks.
You are practically begging for the government to relieve you of your hard-earned savings.
Even if you haven’t done anything wrong, and have paid up everything that you owe, the slightest clerical error could have them plunging their filthy hands into your account.
These issues are worldwide. Whether you’re in the US, UK, France, Cyprus, etc., when governments go bankrupt, these are precisely the sorts of tactics they resort to.
Rational, thinking people need to be aware of this trend. And it behooves absolutely everyone to come up with a plan B. Because at the rate things are going, Plan B may very soon become Plan A.
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Now there's going to be a strike in Romania.
the Brits need to have all their teeth removed ASAP, that way the spread of zombie infection will be slowed
Fuck the West and its so-called "Democracy".
that's a tad aggressive.....
it's Friday you could go with something more fitting like: " fuck the Polish Sausage and strong Belgian Beers I'll never get that stain out of my shorts"
You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks. To collect a bill.
I will always "up-arrow" an Apocalypse Now reference!
Looks like the rent in the U.K. just got a bit more expensive.
I'll bet Simon is long GBP vs the world after this week. Carney got body slammed when he hinted at not raising rates in the U.K. (short term)
What a complete oxymoron{sepia} world we live in!
Bitcoin
Don't worry Brits. You may not have control over your assets and property, but you still have your awesome healthcare that the govt assholes can never touch or threaten.
I assume this is sarcasm.
there's only two dots to connect
his name is Smegley Wanxalot
Newsflash: "People with Means" can and DO negotiate their tax rate with the UL Gov, cause the latter know that such people/lizards/sharks can move their ill-gotten booty to any pleasant tax-sheltered location. Some of which are just off the British shores: Guernsey, Jersey. As well as to such "unbearable" places like Bermuda, Bahama, Cayman Islands...
One of the "Bonds" (Roger Moore) has been living in CH (Switzerland) for decades, BTW. And it took a Knighthood and a special "tax agreement" with Mick Jagger, to get him to come back from France -- where he has a nice castle on the Loire valley. I guess "sometimes you get what you want and what you need", eh Mick?
The Neo-Feudalism (Feudalism 2.0) rollout continues, Sheeple. Say "Bah!" (with a British accent, if you please), and "Mind the Gap!"
Switzerland? I was thinking you were going to mention Marc Rich who was let off the tax hook after it was found he had made many generous donations to the Clinton campaign funds. Full pardon on Willie's exit from office. Who was the attorney that greased the pardon??? Eric Holder, now mafia lawyer par excellence.
Not new. "Taxman" by George Harrison:
Let me tell you how it will be,
There’s one for you, nineteen for me,
‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don’t take it all.
‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
(If you drive a car ), I’ll tax the street,
(If you try to sit ), I’ll tax your seat,
(If you get too cold ), I’ll tax the heat,
(If you take a walk ), I’ll tax your feet.
Taxman.
‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
Don’t ask me what I want it for
(Haha! Mister Wilson!)
If you don’t want to pay some more
(Haha! Mister Heath!),
‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
Now my advice for those who die, (Taxman!)
Declare the pennies on your eyes, (Taxman!)
‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
And you’re working for no-one but me,
(Taxman).
Taxman Mr. Wilson!*
@negative rates,
He was referring to Harold Wilson, the prime minister at the time who, along with, another totally mental socialist, chancellor Denis Healy imposed tax rates of 95 % (that's not a typo ) on ALL unearned income.
George Harrison's royalty earnings came in under that heading.
Between zero interest rates, the threat of bail-ins, and tax entities just grabbing what they want out of accounts, you seriously have to wonder why anyone would keep money in the bank v. cash (or other things) under a mattress.
Exactly,
But try to make a significant fiat withdrawl. What follows is complete madness. I suggest everyone try it. Eye opener to say the least.
Government has always been a gigantic net loss.
The money it steals weakens the future growth of the economy and yet the vast majority of dupes will find something else to blame.
All governments must find new sources of wealth to steal because it has to hide its own wealth destruction.
It has long been one of the mysteries in life who so few people realise that government is the prime cause of most problems. Their willingness to blame others and to let the criminal politicians off the hook is startling.
The financial crash of 2007-8 is a perfect example.
We all know the banks are run by fraudsters and assorted criminals and were instrumental in crashing the economy.
But who created the laws/regulations/rules but totally failed in their oversight roll? Why yes, the government. In the UK it was of course the government of Tony Blair and his Chancellor Gordon Brown.
Yet government got away virtually scot-free.
Smacked, people like you give me hope.
The leftist lemmings who talk about "too much money in politics" and decry the endless lobbying never stop to ask themselves why it is there in the first place. It is in parliaments and Congresses because there are favors to buy. It is precisely like a mafia protection racket. Pay up or a regulatory brick comes through your window. However, the Mob is always supreme and once in awhile they must make an example so someone gets a shakedown to make a point and as theater for the proles.
[political elites to big corporates]:
"Pay up or a regulatory brick comes through your window"
Exactly.
THEN: Robin Hood
NOW: Robbin' Hoods
It will only take a belief that a Brit owes the claimed amount tax NOT, NOT, NOT to be proven in a court of law – say hello to the looter’s charter.
From Magna-carta to the. Looters- charter.
I wonder if "The City" will quickly overturn this or at least be totally exempt?
I go for the latter.
This shit just hastens the collapse, next act, ( price controls)?
I have been reading in a UK consumer forum where a person is accused of causing a car accident by the police but has never been in a car accident. They are having to prove their innocence, and having to go to the lengths of paying for a 'no damage' to car report, instead of the police proving their guilt!
I haven't heard about that one. But it's been the case for decades in the UK that if a police officer issues you with a speeding ticket -- or any other ticket for a driving offence (eg: driving without due care and attention) -- you are deemed to be guilty in the magistrates court if you contest it. At that point you have to prove your innocence. And because you chose to contest it, the penalty fine is likely to be higher than if you'd just rolled over. The courts still take the view that police officers tell the truth and don't lie, despite the rising numbers of huge criminal scandals among police officers.
It's about the revenue and to make the point to others to shut up and pay up. Similar in the USA.
It's about the revenue and to make the point to others to shut up and pay up. Similar in the USA.
The Monkey on Your Back
Government Parasites - the monkey on your backThey say they want to save us?
They want to enslave us!
Break your back to earn your bread
Get's taken by the State
They give it to the rich instead
We're robbed by the State
Government Parasites - all they do is tax
They say they want to save us
They want to enslave us
Can't get a proper job? Work for the State
If you are a proper nob
Work for the State
Government Parasites - the monkey on your back
They say they want to save us!
They want to enslave us!
Fascist, Marxist, all the same Work for the State
Tory, Labour, just the same
Work for the State
Government Parasites - stab you in the back
They say they want to save us
They want to enslave us
Turn us into worker bees
Work for the State
Bring the country to its knees
Work for the State
Government Parasites - the monkey on your back
They say they want to save us
They want to enslave us
Take away our children's dreams
Work for the State
Freedom? Don't know what it means?
Work for the State
Government Parasites - put you on the rack
They say they want to save us
They want to enslave us
Bankers are too big to fail
Work for the State
Bail them out, don't go to jail
Work for the State
Government Parasites - the monkey on your back
They say they want to save us
They want to enslave us
Cameron you fucking Cunt
Work for the State
Milliband you fucking Cunt
Work for the State
Government Parasites - zombie wealth attack
They say they want to save us?
They want to enslave us!
"We are from the government and we are here to help....ourselves !;o)"PS: free lyrics in search of a band.
Yep...needs a nice beating, uh, BEAT! to go with it.
Thanx - lots more where that came from ;o)
EDIT: where the fuck did the down arrow come from? Eeerr, hang on... Foneystar, you little minx?:o)
EDIT EDIT: Aha, two down arrows - Foneystar has a covert lover and its either David or Ed ?:O)
Ain't it funny how they can announce a bank robbery, identify themselves as bank robbers, commit the bank robbery and walk away.
Now if we did that, we'd be in jail.
"if we did that, we'd be in jail"
You, sir, are an optimist.
lol...what was I thinking!
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Here ya go, before the statists show up and start yapping about efficiencies and how government "needs" our money.
Only a government, can lose money from a simple parking ticket:
The city is paying $32 to issue and process a $30 parking violation, and it hasn’t adjusted rates since 2001
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140318/METRO01/303180028#ixzz2wdd4Zjkh
Its like money falling from the sky...and they manage to squander it...lol.
It's a big club and Detroit ain't in it.
Amazing how idiot "progressives" regurtitate the common themes and don't even know when their OWN taxes are due.
If I were Drudge, I would have waited until December 26...but I'm just a mean SOB ;-)
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/21/White-House-Leads-Liberal-Media-In-Matt-Drudge-Attack
Nice point, nmewn.
If a guy steals your, TV because he needs one and you have more stuff he goes to jail. If the government takes the equivalent it is social assistance. Both will threaten you.
When I was a kid running the numbers was an illegal mob activity. Gambling was illegal in most the USA. Now it is called the Lottery.
Of you have made an error on your taxes, you get threats and pay penalties plus above market rate interest. If the IRS makes a mistake and you spend money showing they are wrong you do not get the same. You do not even get an apology.
One day, I hope people will give up the religion of government goodness.
Taxation was handed over to H.M. Customs & Excise in the UK.
They have much greater powers than the old inland revenue service.
Like busting down your door at 3am without need of a warrant.
If you think the IRS is unacountable here in the US, just wait until the same happens here
Eventually, someone's going to have to die. If the citizens won't fight back, it will deserve to be them.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the merger between HMC&E and IR was actually intended to improve the HMC&E MO.
This merger happened after HMC&E had blatantly violated the EU Single Market Treaty (SMT) and introduced rules about the quantities of cigarettes and booze that a Brit could bring back into the UK from another EU member state. Under the SMT it is unlimited IF for personal use. But the HMC&E imposed an upper limit on cigs of 800 (4 cartons). Anything above that was likely to be confiscated. This happened to thousands of people and in some cases people had their vehicles confiscated too if they became bolshy.
This unlawful HMC&E policy became the subject of a Telegraph campaign and it got up to the EU Commissioner Fritz Bolkestein who - after getting nowhere with the HMC&E - eventually issued a final warning to the UK Treasury boss Gordon Brown (who HMC&E reported to) that if the policy was not abandoned, the EU would take legal proceedings against the UK govt.
This eventually cost the HMC&E minister Paul Boateng his job. He was Brown's fall guy. Soon afterwards HMC&E was merged with the IR. I believe at that time the IR had a reasonable reputation and it was hoped this would help Customs to regain its reputation.
But it looks like the opposite has happened. The merger has in fact produced an IR which is just as crooked as the old HMC&E.
But if you close your account and go to cash-under-the-mattress, that clearly makes you a suspicious character, probably a tax cheat, and maybe even an actual terrorist, so your stash will be subject to confiscation in any case. Then it's up to you to prove in court that you deserve to get it back. Good luck.
All true, but the key here is: if they can find it. We know they love civil asset forfeiture, but they have to be able to grab the asset to take it.
That was my point -- increasingly the risks are higher keeping money in the system than taking it out. Neither is risk free.
Right now, I think the biggest realistic threat is bail-ins, since if you have money in the bank, you qualify. Hence it makes sense to convert money in the bank to money out of the bank, in whatever form one finds handy.
B.I.T.C.O.I.N.
Easy to buy, easy to "lose"
Take it across a border in a remembered phrase in your head
Ahh, the vaunted " Democracy" thing our benevolent world kleptogovernments want us to spread (our cheeks).
Good comment Seek. I'm still looking for Jimmy Hoffa's shoes...
The concrete ones??
lol. that elusive (3rd) pair of Dorothy's "Ruby Red Slippers."
@ petolo ... Pleasure to meet you.
Unfortunately we can no longer tell the difference between freedom and imprisonment. Today free is just another word for debtor class. Sorry bout that, Bobby.
The worldwide police state begins. There’s no turning back when all of your property is available 24/7 to the State.
Even if you make a mistake, and you happen to be innocent, it doesn’t matter the size or the intent, the money’s gone and the problem’s yours.
Combine this with complete-data and personal surveillance and it’s not a question of losing rights; there are no rights left. With this, your rights are gone…
The police state, the income tax and the Fed/IMF are all one; the UK is just a footnote.
This is the 100-year culmination of passage in 1913 in the United States of America of the 16th Amendment that allows the U.S. Congress to levy an income tax without regard to the States or the Census. It passed in February of Woodrow Wilson’s first year in office. Eleven months later in tandem with the tax on Americans’ income, on December 23, 1913, Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law, establishing the most gigantic trust on earth.
Wilson was a political captive of Wall Street bankers and had agreed to the hidden agenda of establishing the Federal Reserve System before his election, according to Fed historian G. Edward Griffin.
To guarantee him the presidency, the banking cartel orchestrated a three-way race in the 1912 election, persuading Teddy Roosevelt to run as the “Bull Moose” candidate to split President Taft’s Republican support and put Wilson into the White House
Morgan and Company was not the only banking firm on Wall Street to endorse the three-way election as a means of defeating Taft for his opposition to the Aldrich plan because Taft believed it “didn’t offer enough government control” over the Federal Reserve. Within the firm of Kuhn, Loeb & Company, Felix Warburg was dutifully putting money into the Republican campaign as expected, but his brother, Paul Warburg and Jacob Schiff were backing Wilson, while yet another partner, Otto Kahn, supported Teddy Roosevelt. Other prominent Republicans who contributed to the Democratic campaign that year were Bernard Baruch, Henry Morganthau, and Thomas Fortune Ryan. The Rockefeller component of the cartel was just as deeply involved; Cleveland Dodge, director of Rockefeller’s National City Bank and scion of the Dodge copper and munitions fortune personally contributed one-fourth of the total raised by the Wilson campaign.
The plan worked. Roosevelt split Taft’s support and Wilson won. Hence, a one-two punch: income tax and fiat money, all at the same time – the wedding of the IRS and the Fed.
And who was at the right hand of Wilson?
Edward Mandell House...
Anybody here have a similar situation happen to them "on this kind of tax issue", and you don't need to cross the pond to grab your ankles?...
Turns out in the "Great State of Virginia", if you have a dispute over your employer withholding taxes from you in another State that you shouldn't be paying too and that you are not domiciled and never declared on your W-2s, then claim a tax credit more than a year later to withdraw those funds from the State you don't live in?... The good ol' boys in the Commonwealth of Va-ginia which interestingly enough has it's origins in English law can not only demand the principal amount of the tax but also interest for the time it was being held in the State (you don't live in)!... It gets even better.
If you dispute the tax consequences with the tax office in Richmond and they consider after appeal that you disagree with their assessment? They’ll just impose a lien on your bank account for the interest amount they deem appropriate for confiscation and your bank which has a fiduciary responsibility to protect those funds will alert to you that this is about to take place but will look the other way because it’s the State of Virginia of course…
Better still…
If the funds in your account are for some reason insufficient to pay the accrued interest the State feels it should be receiving? They have a nice little partnership with the IRS called the “Payment Penalty Offset Program” and will garnish the amount they see fit to redeem regardless of whether you’ve paid your Federal taxes and have no dispute whatsoever with the Federal Government and regardless of whether or not they understand it is a dispute between the taxpayer and his/her State.
So ya’ll keep your money close to your chest should you be contemplating a move to one of the top 5 richest States in the Country in terms of it’s tax revenue and collection.
Just letting you know as a warning if you decide to come out yonder!
Have Mercer on me... had Duke in WB's billion dollar pool, lol. Sorry, IRS. No soup for you.
It's called a Bailff-in.
Completely unrelate but cheaperthandirt.com has some specials on 556 metal penetrating ammo. 1000 rounds for 400 bucks. Good inflation hedge, I'm sure the dollar measured price of brass and gunpowder is going up
Went to the Kittery Trading Post window shopping and bought a P220 Sig brand new 12 years ago and several boxes of ammo to go with it. Why on earth did I buy it? For protection, which is effing ridiculous. I'm 6' 200 lbs. Have never fired it, and have no desire to shoot anyone. About all it's good for is as a solution to the "youth in Asia" problem (think homonym). One of the few things the French are decades ahead of us on. Now I want to sell it but I'm afraid whomever I sell it to will go ahead and use it, and given the stories here on ZH lately which seem to be multiplying like rabbits, that scenario grows liklier by the day.
Maaan!...A Sig Sauer P220! - thats a piece of artwork! Just get it out every now and then for the fondling of it...
Paging inthemix96 ...
I'll do it for him...
CUNTS!
Edit: He may not remember it, but this is a bit of a joke between us from long ago.
State and federal tax agencies already do that in the USA. They notify the bank that they are filing a notice of lien and the bankers then compound the crime by immediately prostrating themselves and handing over your digits. Its a crime because the tax agency is required to actually file a lien and you are accorded due process to respond to the lien, scheduling a court date etc. if you like, and the tax agency is required to get a judgement from a judge ordering the bank to hand over your digits. Its illegal without a court order. The bank tellers are breaking the lieu. But when Sauron calls,
BaaAaa
Is there a lesson to this? Yes. Don't keep your money in the bank, put all your chit in a trust and walk like a corporation.
trusts, very wise; machine guns too! it triples their paperwork, doubles the response, and posession is singular(regardless of named parties). makes authorities look like fools in court, lots of things can be "trusted".
Keep in mind that Congress writes the tax law, not the IRS. Complexity in the Internal Revenue Code is the fault of Congress, and Congress alone.
But also keep in mind that Members want to sit on the tax-writing committees (Senate Finance and House Ways and Means) because they are the best perches from which to raise campaign contributions. As long as that continues, the Internal Revenue Code will always be complicated. Doesn't matter what kind of tax system we have, income or consumption or flat or Fair (a load of bullshit, but that's another story), or whatever.
Because, you see, complexity is good for campaign contributions.
"Rational, thinking people need to be aware of this trend. And it behooves absolutely everyone to come up with a plan B. Because at the rate things are going, Plan B may very soon become Plan A."
A no knock warrant would take care of plan B turned A.
On second thought, they will probably be going warrantless by then.
One day the checks my business had written started bouncing. A few calls later turned up that the IRS had seized all of the company's money for failure to pay payroll taxes some years earlier. It turned out that "Joan" (irs agent) had turned my company into the "problem tax payer" division of the IRS. Though I and my CPA had never heard of "Joan" or ever been contacted by anyone from the IRS. After a few weeks we proved we had paid the demanded amount back when it was due (years earlier). The IRS gave us the money back.
30 days later the checks started bouncing again. The IRS had seized all the company's assets again. The same claims were made, but this time we had actually been communicating with the IRS 30 days earlier. They IRS was demanding money for a different quarter. We proved it was paid way back when and the IRS gave us our assets back.
30 days later the checks started bouncing again. You know what happened, except, vendors would no longer do business with us because of all the bounced checks, and they didn't buy the IRS was making a mistake line any more.
The business could not operate under this burden and failed.
A couple of years later "Joan" appeared on the cover of the local newspaper business section and it was reported that she had lost her mind and had been randomly destroying businesses right and left for several years.
Do I have any recompense? (rolf)
A few years back when the states were discovering that they were all screwed financially, I started getting odd letters demanding hilarious amounts of back taxes. Things like "4 years ago you failed to pay us $100, so we need that, plus fines and interest, please pay $6000". Sorry guys, out of the country and I only lived in your state for 6 months and then left 8 years ago.
That required extensive documentation to back up and make them go away. It was a rather fun process to deal with.
so what happened and how did you get them off your back?
Lots of faxes documenting that I simply did not live there and did not file taxes with them as I was officially resident in another state. Them wanting to see it all certified by a notary, me explaining that I do not live in the US and do not have access to those services. Then, they apparently decided in their infinite wisdom to farm it out to a collection agency, who spammed my credit files and "sorry that's out of our hands now, you'll have to talk to XXX agency". So, then dealing with those chucklefucks and threatening to sue them, resulting it being tossed back to the state with new penalties attached for collection attempts. I ended up petitioning a senator about it, who was reluctant to do anything seeing as I am not a constituent.
In the end they tried to sue, they sewer-served me, I got a notification at a mailing address from a family member about it, I hunted down the judge and explained things, providing the same exact documentation that I had sent in the first place and he made sure the whole thing just vanished.
It was a nice year-long ordeal to get it all cleaned up, it was fun.
Moral of the story: If you're an expat, pulling non-US income that the IRS will never know about... don't tell them shit. Even if you are entirely honest, any chucklefuck out there desperate for revenue who thinks they might possibly be able to lay claim to it will go after you... if not for the full amount, in hopes that you'll decide settling is preferable to fighting.
Same thing here: I received some kind of final notice (the only notice) demanding over $7k right away. Turns out I only owed $900, which I set about proving---but in the mean time, they were practically impossible to contact and did not respond to certified letters.
Either way this plays out, it will end in a massive loss of life.
Contest: Name things that are not currently taxed here in the US:
I'm good on this one. I pull out all my cash from the Bank (started doing it since Cyprus. Only leave chunk change there. I also own a Glock and will gladly await whoever the tax man sends my way with a golden rain of bullets.