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Petrodollar Alert: Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China
If it was the intent of the West to bring Russia and China together - one a natural resource (if "somewhat" corrupt) superpower and the other a fixed capital / labor output (if "somewhat" capital misallocating and credit bubbleicious) powerhouse - in the process marginalizing the dollar and encouraging Ruble and Renminbi bilateral trade, then things are surely "going according to plan."
For now there have been no major developments as a result of the shift in the geopolitical axis that has seen global US influence, away from the Group of 7 (most insolvent nations) of course, decline precipitously in the aftermath of the bungled Syrian intervention attempt and the bloodless Russian annexation of Crimea, but that will soon change. Because while the west is focused on day to day developments in Ukraine, and how to halt Russian expansion through appeasement (hardly a winning tactic as events in the 1930s demonstrated), Russia is once again thinking 3 steps ahead... and quite a few steps east.
While Europe is furiously scrambling to find alternative sources of energy should Gazprom pull the plug on natgas exports to Germany and Europe (the imminent surge in Ukraine gas prices by 40% is probably the best indication of what the outcome would be), Russia is preparing the announcement of the "Holy Grail" energy deal with none other than China, a move which would send geopolitical shockwaves around the world and bind the two nations in a commodity-backed axis. One which, as some especially on these pages, have suggested would lay the groundwork for a new joint, commodity-backed reserve currency that bypasses the dollar, something which Russia implied moments ago when its finance minister Siluanov said that Russia may refrain from foreign borrowing this year. Translated: bypass western purchases of Russian debt, funded by Chinese purchases of US Treasurys, and go straight to the source.
Here is what will likely happen next, as explained by Reuters:
Igor Sechin gathered media in Tokyo the next day to warn Western governments that more sanctions over Moscow's seizure of the Black Sea peninsula from Ukraine would be counter-productive.
The underlying message from the head of Russia's biggest oil company, Rosneft, was clear: If Europe and the United States isolate Russia, Moscow will look East for new business, energy deals, military contracts and political alliances.
The Holy Grail for Moscow is a natural gas supply deal with China that is apparently now close after years of negotiations. If it can be signed when Putin visits China in May, he will be able to hold it up to show that global power has shifted eastwards and he does not need the West.
More details on the revelation of said "Holy Grail":
State-owned Russian gas firm Gazprom hopes to pump 38 billion cubic meters (bcm) of natural gas per year to China from 2018 via the first pipeline between the world's largest producer of conventional gas to the largest consumer.
"May is in our plans," a Gazprom spokesman said, when asked about the timing of an agreement. A company source said: "It would be logical to expect the deal during Putin's visit to China."
Summarizing what should be and is painfully obvious to all, but apparently to the White House, which keeps prodding at Russia, is the following:
"The worse Russia's relations are with the West, the closer Russia will want to be to China. If China supports you, no one can say you're isolated," said Vasily Kashin, a China expert at the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) think thank.
Bingo. And now add bilateral trade denominated in either Rubles or Renminbi (or gold), add Iran, Iraq, India, and soon the Saudis (China's largest foreign source of crude, whose crown prince also happened to meet president Xi Jinping last week to expand trade further) and wave goodbye to the petrodollar.
As reported previoisly, China has already implicitly backed Putin without risking it relations with the West. "Last Saturday China abstained in a U.N. Security Council vote on a draft resolution declaring invalid the referendum in which Crimea went on to back union with Russia. Although China is nervous about referendums in restive regions of other countries which might serve as a precedent for Tibet and Taiwan, it has refused to criticize Moscow. The support of Beijing is vital for Putin. Not only is China a fellow permanent member of the U.N. Security Council with whom Russia thinks alike, it is also the world's second biggest economy and it opposes the spread of Western-style democracy."
This culminated yesterday, when as we reported last night, Putin thanked China for its "understanding over Ukraine." China hasn't exactly kept its feelings about closer relations with Russia under wraps either:
Chinese President Xi Jinping showed how much he values ties with Moscow, and Putin in particular, by making Russia his first foreign visit as China's leader last year and attending the opening of the Winter Olympics in Sochi last month.
Many Western leaders did not go to the Games after criticism of Russia's record on human rights. By contrast, when Putin and Xi discussed Ukraine by telephone on March 4, the Kremlin said their positions were "close".
The punchline: "A strong alliance would suit both countries as a counterbalance to the United States." An alliance that would merely be an extension of current trends in close bilateral relations, including not only infrastructure investment but also military supplies:
However, China overtook Germany as Russia's biggest buyer of crude oil this year thanks to Rosneft securing deals to boost eastward oil supplies via the East Siberia-Pacific Ocean pipeline and another crossing Kazakhstan.
If Russia is isolated by a new round of Western sanctions - those so far affect only a few officials' assets abroad and have not been aimed at companies - Russia and China could also step up cooperation in areas apart from energy. CAST's Kashin said the prospects of Russia delivering Sukhoi SU-35 fighter jets to China, which has been under discussion since 2010, would grow.
China is very interested in investing in infrastructure, energy and commodities in Russia, and a decline in business with the West could force Moscow to drop some of its reservations about Chinese investment in strategic industries. "With Western sanctions, the atmosphere could change quickly in favor of China," said Brian Zimbler Managing Partner of Morgan Lewis international law firm's Moscow office.
Russia-China trade turnover grew by 8.2 percent in 2013 to $8.1 billion but Russia was still only China's seventh largest export partner in 2013, and was not in the top 10 countries for imported goods. The EU is Russia's biggest trade partner, accounting for almost half of all its trade turnover.
And as if pushing Russia into the warm embrace of the world's most populous nation was not enough, there is also the second most populated country in the world, India.
Putin did take time, however, to thank one other country apart from China for its understanding over Ukraine and Crimea - saying India had shown "restraint and objectivity".
He also called Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to discuss the crisis on Tuesday, suggesting there is room for Russia's ties with traditionally non-aligned India to flourish.
Although India has become the largest export market for U.S. arms, Russia remains a key defense supplier and relations are friendly, even if lacking a strong business and trade dimension, due to a strategic partnership dating to the Soviet era.
Putin's moves to assert Russian control over Crimea were seen very favorably in the Indian establishment, N. Ram, publisher of The Hindu newspaper, told Reuters. "Russia has legitimate interests," he added.
To summarize: while the biggest geopolitical tectonic shift since the cold war accelerates with the inevitable firming of the "Asian axis", the west monetizes its debt, revels in the paper wealth created from an all time high manipulated stock market while at the same time trying to explain why 6.5% unemployment is really indicative of a weak economy, blames the weather for every disappointing economic data point, and every single person is transfixed with finding a missing airplane.
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The ENDGAME. http://qz.com/164163/china-and-russia-seem-genuinely-close-to-a-game-cha...
http://www.gazprom.com/f/posts/74/805991/2013-12-18-map-sila-sib-en.jpg?...
I think you missed the plot. It wasn't the Crimea voting to be independent...it was basically voting to leave the Ukraine and come home to Russia/Daddy...where they 'should' be. i.e. this is a positive thing from a Chinese perspective.
Bingo.
Think Taiwan.
That's what the Chinese are thinking...that's why they supported the Crimea annexation.
bingo bingo
the chinese are never going to free tibet. way too rich. the brits after WWI showed china how important tibet was in terms of location. the crimea is pretty much the same.
If u don't think the choomwagon is incahoots with the russkies than why the hell is gazprom drilling in iraq?
Source?
DaddyO
Quite a bit of forward speculation in this article. Nevertheless, much of it was predictably on the cards. Wait for Brazil to step in too.
Add into that mix the other things going on among the BRICS: eg, their own replacement for the IMF etc.
I still believe one of the West's aims in Ukraine was to annexe it to the EU and open its doors to NATO. Putin is no fool and has some wise advisors around him, unlike our Western leaders who are surrounded by monkeys and banksters.
What else should Russia & China do in the knowledge that the West is slowly trying to isolate each of them and pick them off one-by-one?
Not so sure about that.Sounds like a done deal just waiting the leaders taking credit
for it.All of this groundwork is done months or years in advance.
Correct!
All of this is to be considered the "ad campaign," where the general populace is being "educated" about the shift. Again, the EU is broke (put Ukraine in this pot as well) and Russia doesn't see it as in their interests to give away their precious resources. New customer alignments...
I would say that the big issue here is that TPTB are wanting to hide the FACT that this has everything to do with resources, as trying to explain this to the general populace (as if many would even believe a true message coming from TPTB- circular function, it would never work) AND continue to hold their positions of power, and, well, probability = extremely low. And so the game of "pretend we can have perpetual growth on a finite planet [if not for those evil-doers]" is still on...
Sure, my "speculation" reference was not about what appears to be happening, but to its impact and effect. At this point we do not know the answers and this article speculates on that quite a bit.
This deal has been in the works foreva? Cant you give these lads a break if VLAD has a big pipieline deal with China and Canada has a deal with China than we need the XL pipeline? I am already paying more for petrol than before fracking and its price fucking me? Its not some geopolical antipipeline protesters stopping the flow. Its some rich dickhead who would fuck us all to be right especially when this SOB is a woodpecker tapping help me on a dead tree inside the life forest?
FInite planet. Limited resources. Wake up.
EROEI. When this gets tighter the taps always get harder to turn on; and, those who control the taps have to be adults and keep the children from trying to grab everything because they "want" it.
solution:
architect post-capialist world order.
Igor Sechin gathered media in Tokyo the next day to warn Western governments that more sanctions over Moscow's seizure of the Black Sea peninsula from Ukraine would be counter-productive.
Is "seizure" the proper word here when 78% of Crimeans voted and 96% of that vote is to be part of Russia and not part of Ukraine? Is that really a seizure by Russia?
Silly rabbit, the "seizure" was from the West/EU, not from the Ukrainians or Crimeans (themselves- as you clearly/accurately note).
USA needs strategic titans representing us in times of need, not Obama, Biden, Shumer, Feinstein, Lindsay Graham, McCain... if the nat'l debt and global hatred of NSA isn't enough, now we're realy toast.
TCTB want puppets to rule over the United Slaves of Amercia
and burnt toast at that.
The Great Distractors!
Strategic titans, right...I recommend Charles Barkley, Miley Cyrus, Zach Galifianakis, Kanye West, and Michael Moore
Those are Titans ???
Naw ... well, maybe Miley (got titanic T and A)
Where are the "Big Guys" when you need them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McNamara
Ron seems an honest old hand, unfortunately, Wall street control DC, unlike decades ago, when each one had his turf.
NUKEPRO stated TM 2014 "Unless it is a conspiracy theory, it cannot possibly be the truth"
And below from a philosopher at ENENEWS:
http://enenews.com/kpfa-dr-helen-caldicott-threatened-death-japan-speaking-about-nuclear-power-students-charged-disturbing-peace-handing-flyers-audio/comment-page-1#comment-495949
My friends it's amazing what can be stored in a GOP (GROUP OF PICTURES) file. This is how digital television is delivered. It is not a frame as such, so I'm not even aware if old legislation about subliminal messaging has caught up with technology. Wouldn't surprise me if it hasn't!
Everything you do online is being controlled, use encryption, make sure your device is as dumb as it's maker. Personal information like emails is a joy for Anti-human criminals of democracy. Every call you make is monitored.
My life is threatened on a daily basis. Nothing new to me, save one save the world.
Their plan is to chip you like a dog, scan your hand for a bowl of gruel. Say anything wrong and your chip is turned off. The time is now, the generation is now. Consume and die a slave or make friends with truth and live. You do not have to give up civilisation; just defragment the corrupt file structure.
They went out to collect the wealth of earth for they knew their time was short. Utter pride and vanity, worthless paper god.
The Good news is that there will never be enough energy available to control all of us.
The Bad news is that there will never be enoguh energy for all of us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho
It was Sec of State Kissinger who started this game to spite the USSR under Nixon including selling super magnet technology to China. Forty years later similar move by Russia will have profound effect on US $ reserve currency status and will give China another mass market in Russia for consumer goods and industrial products alleviating China industrial overcapacity. With another China consumer export market and another energy export market for Russia means prices will go up for both consumer and energy prices in the West, a natural result of a weakening reserve currency.
How in the world did we unleash the likes of Nuland and Neocons without any consideration of outcomes starting out with spending $4 billion of taxpayer money to overthrow Ukraine regime. The naive thought that Russia would give up Crimea warm water port was more than miscalculation ---it was senility on the part of our policy makers. While Yanukovich regime was certainly corrupt, current yet unelected stooges not much better.
Another analogy is how USSR collapsed due to military overspending and debt in maintaining the Soviet Empire. US is now following same model as witnessed by $ 1 Trillion spent in Middle East with little to show. Without a reserve currency status the debt ridden house of cards will collapse with a resounding thud . Ukraine may just be that catalyst. Tragedy is Gorbachev understood reality and changed course while in US there does not seem to be will or strength to confront entrenched power merchants/marauders within our Executive Branch, electorate or party system.
The United States of Stooges, Shills and Clowns!
Self centric much ?
The great game has been going on against Russia for hundreds of years.
Putin even stated it in his speech to the Duma.A must read for everyone IMO.
I think he wrote it himself,somebody may have polished it, but they are genuine
concepts expressed in a statesman like way.
pardon my ignorance, what is IMO?
In My Opinion...
" The naive thought that Russia would give up Crimea warm water port was more than miscalculation ---it was senility on the part of our policy makers. "
it wasn't miscalculation, how don't you get it? putin reacted exactly as expected because ukraine(crimea) has always been the red line for russia and even you stress it. everything is going according to the plan. they have always wanted conflict and now they have it! olympics was perfect timing by the neocons(or whoever is behind this mess) because putin was busy counting medals of russian athletes, while western NGO-s were initiating the coup.
I wish I could agree with you and give you an up arrow. If only you added that this is the end of the same system we have been trying in different forms for over 2000 yrs. capitalism communism or socialism they all have failed over and over. China is not going to inherit 200 yr power nor russia. In this current system be it capitalism or semi communism, we humans have brought everything to its end. The winner in this game is NO ONE. unless we ALL open our eyes an begin overthrow of the puppeteers and seek new systems based like resource based economy or more simply, currency based on human health, there will be no winners.
Kill the US Petro dollar then China and Russia take the lead.
The first part of killing the US economically. Russia and China must kill the US economically.
After the petro dollar move the financial center from NY to China.
Make the US irrelevant and another Zimbabwe.
Why does China have a better seat than say Russia?
I see more money flows into Russia than in to China. EVERYONE needs energy. Think money flows.
Everything is OK dudes.. just get Obamacare, the whole world will love you just the same.
Gas, oil for gold so gold is....euh, going down ??
paper gold is going down - all paper will be worthless soon - tell me what happens when the $1quadrillion derivative mkt implodes ?
You are correct. The Gold Contract price will be ZERO before this ends.. Nobody will want a paper contract as delivery will not be made. Whom buys an empty promise? Fools. That is whom.. FOFOA predicted that outcome back in 1998.
It is progressing right along the plan which he laid out. Amazing reading if you find the urge to research it.
Or just one more smack down. Clean out the last of the believers while it rides the last of the deflationary pressures down. Then, inflation overcomes these last stubborn deflationary obsticles that are powered by a poor economy, and gold resumes the march upward. Combine that with the war cycles??
It's a House of Mirrors. Careful about intepreting what you [think] you see...
He chose........wisely.
Indiana Jones: Last Crusade!
DO ANOTHER ONE DO ANOTHER ONE!!!!!!
China was successful in taking the US industrial base.
Next the currency and the financial systems. Kill the US dollar. The US federal Reserve banksters are doing a good job of helping China and Russia.
yogibear; yes. They think in much longer cycles and prepare for a future much farther out than 2-4 years out like the criminal leaders in our doomed system.
China "took" it? US/international companies didn't give it to them?
I am NOT of the opinion that China will end up being top-dog. It doesn't have enough resources to hold their fundamentals together. And, unless one has been sleeping, it's pretty hard to see that their required growth targets (which are factored in order to achieve their goals) are starting to fall off dramatically; the key here is that the "leadership" will be unable to deliver what they are so strident about- as a comparison I'd be interested in seeing what Russia's leadership is forecasting (whether it is less fantasy).
China-Russia-Iran will be a major problem for a "super-power' in it's fading glory.
Not as much as the problem that the super-power itself is generating for itself... trying to catch falling knives doesn't smack of a bright future...
http://tradewithdave.com/?p=20594
To be honest, this is what I have said would happen. It is logical in a world where the US Necon movement is out of control and on a death ride to grab world power. I call it a death ride, just like the Waffen SS Panzer Corps at Kursk, powerful and deadly, but slowly ground to dust by the Red Army in summer 1943. China is not totally unaware of the US threats made against them in the US media by the Neocons. CNN has paraded all their favorite Neocons since the Crimea situation broke. Many called for war, many others demanded increased military spending to finish Russia and move on to the real threat China. I have news, the closer an insane America pushes China and Russia together, the sooner the great world empire goes down. I have seen a lot of Stupid in America, right from a child when the US was crazed to conquer Vietnam, since then we have learned nothing.
"just like the Waffen SS Panzer Corps at Kursk, powerful and deadly, but slowly ground to dust by the Red Army in summer 1943..."
A yes the Waffen SS at Kursk ... how could one forget ... poor blighters. I was just pondering them the other day over a burger and fries while picking my winners on my NCAA sheet ...
We need to spend more money on the US military - Oh my god what a bunch of Neo-Maroons to parapharse B. Bunny
To correct the little Neo-NAZIONIST Bushite meme - they don't hate us for our freedoms, they hate us for all the depleted uranium projectiles we keep blowing thier sons, daughters, brothers, sisters and wives apart with.......
what could you do with the hundred trillion we've spent on blowing each other up ???
The few smart military men who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan admit that US policy creates more terrorists then they kill. One must ask why we continue. I suggest terror is now America's catch all excuse for empire and Americans buy into it. America conquered and destoryed Iraq on a whim, while Putin only took in Crimea after a nazi coup in Kiev and a free fair open vote by Crimean people. Bloodless vote and America can't accept it?
Re: Bloodless vote and America can't accept it?
You must be one of them hippy socialists who hates Merica, and the troops.
It may be hard for the DC Muppets to believe the Crimean People could have voted without the assistance of Diebold - I bet that really blows their little war mongering minds. For these nutjobs war is nothing more than a football game and when the flagged draped coffins start returning a photo op..... until they bore of it. The treatment of our veterans by the government that sent them out to kill and die should be a loud and clear indication of the value our uber hawk politicians assign to our men and women in uniform.
The question I've asked time and again - do you follow orders or do you honor your oath to the constitution - silly naive question I know but resolve that conflict and a good many paradigms would fall I think.
Re: silly naive question I know but resolve that conflict and a good many paradigms would fall I think
The brain is designed to create bullshit - or accept bullshit from others - to resolve moral conflicts.
How many "patriots" do you know that still think Snowdon is a traitor?
People don't think. Most people worship authority. Of the authority worshipers, half have kick-ass daddy facsist Red Team (R)etard brains and the other half are smothering-mommy socialist Blue Team (D)umbass brains. The two Team provide the bullshit needed to keep them fighting with each other.
We've got the only system possible. Just how most people's brains work.
I thought terrorists were created by the CIA , NSA, et al under the able guidance of the Mossad and financed by the fast asleep american public.
Heart and Mind, isnt it what USA preach but never do and think that msm could turn it real.
"the US Necon movement is out of control and on a death ride to grab world power."
As someone who shudders at the very word "neocon" I can see that it's quite possible that this has less to do with more conquest than it has to do with sel-preservation. I believe that the "self-preservation" part has to do with tryhing to maintain the very trade that has kept them in seats of power.
Folks really need to read this writing from Sir John Glubb (many thanks to the ZH poster who shared this link elsewhere recently):
http://www.rexresearch.com/glubb/glubb-empire.pdf
With the end of the petrodollar, Amerika is finished.
As a trrrsss country, perhaps. Maybe we can all just form a government for "da people" now?
One of the nails that seals the coffin, yes...
Jim Willie has been saying for years that this is precisely what was going to happen.
Yeah...It is just another of his failed predictions...*snicker*, *cough*, *Laugh* /sarc
Seriously...He is damned good. I always enjoy listening to brilliant jackasses. PhD in Statistics. One bright analyst.
Don't bring that {golden} jackass into this..... :-)
Edit - a downvote means Obamba wins.... worked for bush
+1 bro, I subscribe to HTL, hope Jim writes a book one day
i spend a lot of time in southern Iraq. the Chinese are literally taking over southern Iraq. They will do more, work harder, work faster and for less than any western company. this is true for their oil companies (PetroChina) and for their service providers. They are really catching up in terms of quality and the western companies seem to be willing to whore out anything and anyone to the Chinese if they can make a buck or two in the short game.
Iraq's South Oil Company in Iraq loves the Chinese. Their workers get flown in on special chinese charter planes while the western expats have to fly in commercial and deal with the visa regime (oh, so sorry, your visa isn't right...turn around and back to Istanbul for you). The Chinese are also very humble and will take less than the US companies.
anyone who underestimates the Chinese in the oil patch does so at their own peril. i agree on geophysical and seismic the west still takes the cake but in the construction areas - laying pipe especially - the Chinese can do it 'good enough' for many. I can see the Chinese very easily laying some serious pipe across Russia...
."western companies seem to be willing to whore out anything and anyone to the Chinese if they can make a buck or two in the short game."
Bingo.
This is all just bullshit to direct people's attention away from the treasons at home.
Keep in mind that all throughout the cold war the western predator class freely traded all technology to Russia and China while obstructing any other trade and ruthlessly punishing anyone else who did what they were doing. These spies and criminals looted the patent office. Some claimed "national security" as their justification.
The Cold War was fake. We have been robbed and our people were murdered in wars designed to circumvent our constitutional law, increase control, and reduce opposition at home, by our own lying treacherous representatives who colluded with their friends behind the "Iron Curtain" and the "Bamboo Curtain" with total involvement of the press and media to hide the truth.
Impeach Obama. Prosecute his treasonous administration, and the Clintons, and the Bushs. Prosecute the 90% corrupt judges, everywhere. If you don't step up we'll have the worst police state ever seen right here, here without any help from Russia or China.
.....theres always one asshole in the crowd ....... and today that would be me...... anyway .... from my archive
Dear Hitlery:
I was just reading an expose on the Clinton dynasty ...{while taking a dump}..... and .... well the thing is .... I couldn't help but notice Chelsea has very similar features to your pal Webb.... Hubble... the law partner you didn't kill.. remember...... thank you in advance for the christmas cookies.
Sincerely,
Go Fuck Yourself You Reptilian Flurge
Re: Prosecute his treasonous administration, and the Clintons, and the Bushs.
Unfortunately, life isn't that simple.
If people really want change it's got to come from "da people". This will happen only when there's a political movement that appeals to "da people" or "da people" are suffering.
"Da people", right now, are perfectly happy. The Elysium Class is winning. The Elysium Support Class is doing well. The Trash Class (the bottom 80%) are fat, dumb, vastly entertained, and overall happy enough not to care.
Plan A, step 1
Step 2: inaugurate Biden?
Or just exactly what goal does an impeachment bring us to?
<= Impeach to identify good guys and start after bad actors
<= Block of impeachment exposes the farce so the muppets can't deceive themselves and Hell follows
If you have not figured it out they are all bad actors.
The Republican Congress by majority vote...FUNDED OBAMACARE last October. All funding ORGINATES IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. They could have killed Obamacare but chose not to. Money talks and Bullshit walks. THERE IS NO EXCUSE.
The Red Team/Blue Team bullshit is a farce and there is no difference between the Political Parties..
"Impeach Obama. Prosecute his treasonous administration, and the Clintons, and the Bushs. Prosecute the 90% corrupt judges, everywhere. If you don't step up we'll have the worst police state ever seen right here, here without any help from Russia or China."
Um, it's never fixed any empire in decline in the past 3,000 years, what makes you think that it can work this time?
Read up:
http://www.rexresearch.com/glubb/glubb-empire.pdf
I recall believing the same "impeach" thing when Bush was in office. And they are replaced by? (Cheney. Biden. Yeah, I can see big improvements!)
This is the natural decay of an empire. If you wish to feel the rush of a return to the "up-swing" then you'll need to prepare to be dawn your conquistador outfit (read: "act, not talk").
Its not my empire. It behooves me to see it change.
The Roman empire never ended. They changed tactics to adapt to the situation. They lied, so all your reference material indicating the decline of empires and 4rth turnings is erroneous.
The sooner there's an alternate currency backed by something other than bombs bullets and blood the better.
steelrules The sooner there's an alternate currency backed by something other than bombs bullets and blood the better.
Currency will always be backed by bombs, bullets and blood. You are unrealistic. Consider if we had a world currency backed by gold. Then there would be wars over gold.
3,000 and waiting...
http://www.rexresearch.com/glubb/glubb-empire.pdf
I have done a quick check of the troll posts. Most all of the trolls are members for 2 years and 3-11 weeks. I find that odd, they ALL joined within weeks of each other??
It is sometimes difficult to ascertain what is troll or someone who may genuinely disagree with a poster's views for a valid reason.
Arguments can be made often times on both sides of an issue. Those who make light of or have nothing better to contribute to a person's opinion than factless based personal put downs are in my book trolls.
Those who make an issue better understood on all sides, whether we agree or not, are not.
+1,000
I often see the same people constantly tossing in the same old obvious political hit shit. Clue is ALWAYS a bunch of trash-talking, empty-head statements.
..... I've often wondered if I fit the troll mold
Hmmmmmm let me see....
Residence - North Street Bridge
Occupation - Harrassing Billy Goats
Lineage - Mother, Hobgoblin; Father, Ogre
Hobbies - Cooking
Favourite Foods - Fermented carrion with mint jelly
Teeth - still have both of them
Hmmmmmmm, well I am either a troll or Dundonian .....
.......God I hope I'm a troll......
2 years, 14 weeks... shoo0we that was close :D
I'm been noticing that too Jack. What exposure did ZH get just before that that they put this on the list to troll??
Drudge Report links have upped the ante.
There seems to be an assumption in your post that anybody anywhere gives a flying eff what anybody on this site thinks. The comments section here is for entertainment purposes only, or maybe to kick up the click count. It's for fun. F-U-N. Enjoy it, but geez, don't take it so seriously. If not for fun, it is otherwise meaningless. Zero impact. You did an analysis of "troll" membership dates? Wow. Too much free time.
I see Eleanor Rigby.
So that is how you approach what you are posting? Entertainment? Not to be taken seriously?
Well that is good to know.
(If some people did not care then they would not bother posting at all. There are paid trolls on this site. Public Relations and image is that which is most important in today's environment. Substance sure is not. But...Do not take it so seriously.)
So the agreement is due to be signed in May? Hmm... A little more time to stock up, then.
The Iceman Cometh.
But no worries because the US Institute For Hope has an ace up its sleeve, iPhones for Doggies will replace the less lucrative Dollars for Oil.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/mar/21/how-to-teach-your-dog-...
LOL the US is slowly turning into N Korea
"NO NO NO NO NO NO You can't do that!!" Obozo
"Who fucking cares" rest of world.
It's called decay of empire. There's never been an instance of any escape, and in the end there's always blame and divisiveness that manifests itself.
Read all about it:
http://www.rexresearch.com/glubb/glubb-empire.pdf
This world needs a reset, and it needs a total change in its ways, so much is clear.
Evolution (the economical/ecological kind) cannot provide what we need so a revolution is what will happen when we are forced to.
Humans excel at dealing with changed circumstances, so bring it on.
The end result will be division along cultural lines, which is just fine, since we don't all get on with each other anyway.
No need to worry, everything will be fine. The end is not coming, just a big change. Opportunity knocks!
PS prepping is for squirrels
"The end result will be division along cultural lines, which is just fine, since we don't all get on with each other anyway."
Find out whether this is really the case (and if so, to what extent it may or may not play- according to 3,000 years of history on empires):
http://www.rexresearch.com/glubb/glubb-empire.pdf
0-2 for EU since the Ukraine Spring!
brush the intrigues aside, a deal like this could make NG the primary energy commodity around the globe, certainly good for LNG producers. its a contrast in styles, the us and its fantasy electric car market, (or just grow some switchgrass in your backyard and and put the leaves into a voltaic cell which runs on the chlorophyl) america is fantasy land numero uno, while the rest of the world is making pragmatic low tech decisions to solve their energy problems. that bad boy putin is encouraging china to change from coal to ng and stop global warming? perhaps we will have to put more missiles in NATO countries to stop him. i don't think he is afraid really which makes obama and his neoliberal-con' pals (Kerry and Clinton) nervous. the enemies of america also want a gold backed currency, heretics against fiat orthodoxy! america like always will express its right to defend their grand pipedreams with military might! much as we once defended freedom of the seas. now everyone shares the american dream to live in their own fantasy world. a world which can only be destroyed by zombie apocalypse, one good fantasy deserves another.
"america is fantasy land numero uno"
Largely true. You won't like one thing below, but you are correct about the core of your thinking.
1) There isn't going to be a replacement for oil. Electric cars are silly. 740 watts per horsepower and it takes horsepower to move bulk freight.
2) There isn't going to be a continued to the moon increase in US oil output. It will peak and resume its natural, normal decline.
3) Gold has no function in modern civilization. You can't lay a gold nugget on a counter and buy anything. There are no gold testing equipment kits under the cash register counter and there never will be. And if you try to back a currency with it, economic growth is constrained to mining output. Put a few tons on a rocket and launch it into the sun and you destroy all finance in such a situation.
4) Oil is everything. Natural gas is a close second.
5) All empires collapse (usually in spectacular fashion, and to such a degree that items #1 through #4 tend to become a bit more academic).
the one item neither of us mentions is nuclear power. from a laymans perspective there is nothing wrong with nuclear power, its just the rather arcane cooling systems that are in use which cause problems.
"You can't lay a gold nugget on a counter and buy anything. There are no gold testing equipment kits under the cash register counter and there never will be."
err.. that's why people minted coins numbnuts. And besides, you can use paper notes which circulate freely and are backed by gold. Or you could even use electronic transfers and interbank settlement of vaulted gold. See? And by "modern civilization" presumably you think that started in 1971?
If Vichy DC can't bully the world, they'll turn inward. Prepare accordingly.
Jim Willie has been saying this for months and months and months and months:
Russia and China will put an end to the Petro Dollar. Putin's next chess move will be to require that Gazprom payments be made in Gold or Rubles. China will demand the convenience of paying for Oil in Yuan. The Saudi's will go along with Russia as they have finally realized that they, like Israel, have been thrown under the bus by Obama.
After that comes the full implementation of the BRICS gold-backed trade settlement bank. This has already been beta-testing for the last year because Iran has been selling Oil to everybody and accepting Gold as payment.
So you can either keep reading Tyler's posts a month from now to learn what Russia just did ... or ... start listening to what Jim Willie has been saying so that you can figure it all out ahead of time.
Podcast from March 15, 2014:
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/podcast/5576/et-tu-part-two
"spot on !" Can't wait til gold doubles overnight
If Barry throws Israel and Saudi Arabia under the bus I might just start calling him Barak Obama.
TIMBER! Wait, not yet, they haven't emptied the gold vaults across the board and Eastern Europe still haven't seen what the IMF, US/EU do when they have you by the balls. They are awaiting for the chaos that a Western controlled Ukraine that is to be milked dry so that the eastern block will automatically shift east. With critical mass, the reset will have the strategic pieces in place and REAL POWER then will have shifted east. The above will no doubt be a financial suitecase nuke in the building. But Russia/China don't want to resort to this because the hand over will be too messy. But then again, I'm sure Putin's mathametican's/economist smart arses will inform him that out of chaos will be order, SOOOOOOO will the west inflict its own demise (although they are doing this daily). Events are happening thick and fast, I'm not sure how much longer the western ponzi scheme can last now. Just look at the USDX, shot up after the reduction in QE, but today its on the verge again. Another 30 basis point and we go back to where the thing was pre-QE reduction in a matter of days.
Fuck with the bull and you get the horns, bitches.
Fuck with the bear and get mauled with fangs and claws
sanctions, shmanctions...the plain fact of the matter is that obama shouldn't be sanctioning Russia for anything. He needs to just stay the fuck out of the whole thing and so should the EU, NATO, the NWO, George fucking Soros, and all the criminal banksters. Instead of bitching about Russia we should be taking down the global bankster cartel and bringing them to swift justice which is the business fucking end of a fucking guillotine blade.
I'm glad obama's sanctions are basically nothing at all. There's no reason to escalate anything against Russia. They may be "pussy" sanctions, but the last thing we need is for this scumbag Marxist to provoke anything apolocalyptic with Russia over a territory that's pretty much Russia's anyway. Especially when the vast majority of the people there would rather be with Russia and not sucked to death by the EU/Goldman Sucks/Vampire Squid.
This was all just a total double-triple reverse swirve move anyway WWF-style to try and get us to fall for another manufactured false flag type of situation. We have to stop playing their game as well as believing in their games. Fuck them all.
As Americans we need to be tearing down the fascist, Marxist infrastructure that's been built around us and start wiping out the vast cabal of traitors who are fucking our country over and leave other countries alone. The only business we need to be concerned with is our own business, because as we all know very well...our business is going down the fucking drain big time.
"The only business we need to be concerned with is our own business, because as we all know very well...our business is going down the fucking drain big time."
Well... "our" business HAS been the business of controlling everyone else's business.
Oh yeah, well well, I'm gonna, YOU better watch it I'm gonna sanction you again and my friends aren't gonna talk to you EVER again.
Oh yeah, you and what army? !
Obama draws those damned red lines by dipping his middle finger in American blood.
So what does one do - sell US treasuries and buy nat gas?
Thoughts?
I have predicted this type of thing was coming eventually.
A gold backed world reserve currency is just on the horizon.
Got gold?
Gold has no function in Russian society.
Oil has function in all societies.
Charts of both run lock step.
No function? Have you ever seen the Kremlin? You're just another paperbug fool looking for a deep inflation penetration.
"In essence, this is a war between the big companies to control the energy deposits. The biggest barrier now are the state-controlled giants in Russia and China and neoliberalism is trying to conquer these countries. The Western companies have declared war against companies like Gazprom, as they seek to control all the energy deposits, but in this case things are not so easy. The neoliberal model that opens the road for the Western capital, has to face now, two superpowers."
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/03/the-closed-system-of-biggest-...
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/03/western-hypocrites-defeat-in-...
I think there may be a Typo, and if it is, its an Important correction, so please let us know. The one word makes a big difference....this is what was written, and below is what I think was intended
Russia may regain from foreign borrowing this year
EDIT below, I think
Russia may reFRain from foreign borrowing this year
From Wiki (FWIIW) and factor in that it is Wiki:
Josephus identified the offspring of Magog as the Scythians, a name used in antiquity for peoples north of the Black Sea.
"Gog and Magog" over time became associated with each other as a pair. In the New Testament, this pairing is found in the Book of Revelation 20:8
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The eschatologists will have a field day with this one. :-)
sschu
This certainly proves that our government [and all governments] is incompetent and should do as LEAST as possible for the public good. And I mean the LEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....
So I am on this mail order bride site but it's all Americans looking for Russian citizenship.
No one want's us...
Lol.
You are definitely on the wrong site. I am the king of international dating.
Even the right sites for russian and ukranian brides are very wrong. Those are all black widows and their standards are too high.
Go Third world Asian or latin American for a sincere young lady who will rock your world.
Right on, Carl! I've done it twice and struck gold both times.
It's really a matter of what your requirements are. I was quite clear what I was looking for and I got it (even more than I was hoping for). I'm no expert, but based on my single experience I'd have to say that Filipinas are pretty damn impressive (my wife has beauty AND brains [probably can out-think most here]). If there's one thing that I will out-right brag about it's her... Note that "young" is relative: youth tends to come in an inexperienced package- the future is going to need a good battle partner. Did I say I was very lucky bastard?
How long did the process take? I am curious...
There is still a few years to go in this story. I'm sure that China will not want to let go of all their western based business. I think it will more be like the python slowly choking it's victim. If the U.S. was smart it would just pull a Jujitsu move at some strategic point in time and cut off Russia and China and refuse to honor any paper. This would force the U.S. to create much of what we import here in the U.S.
"I'm sure that China will not want to let go of all their western based business."
It may have less to do with China and more to do with the ability of western markets to actually afford what China is selling.
Please God/Putin, let it be silver.
Ho hum.
The death of King Dollar has been greatly exaggerated.
Commodity backed currency is foolishness.
Currency does not need to be backed. Ultimately it is just a place keeper in between barter deals. Only those foolish enough to save those currency units would want it to be backed. Those who save in more appropriate vehicles (like gold) do not care if the currecny is backed or not.
This is why fiat currency is not a bad thing....something ZHers can't seem to absorb. Fiat has many benefits. Acting as a store of value however is not one of these benefits. Because 'we the people' constantly demand more, the printer of the currency is always under pressure to devalue the currency by printing more of it.
Save gold. Use fiat appropriately... you'll be fine.
To paraphrase the Dickhead from Omaha....
Sometimes you want to own the paper. Sometimes you want to own the business (or gold)
Have a bit of both and sleep well at night. Diversification is not a four letter word.
(It actually has 15)
Re: Because 'we the people' constantly demand more
That is what the ZH'ers can't morally accept.
Economic morality OCD is a bitch.
I'd be fine with that if we got paid in gold.
LOL, go tell the bankers that, im right behind you!
Fiat Currency is like Communism it sounds and would work wonderfully if managed by totally selfless benevolent human beings. Unfortunately no such animal exists thus both historically lead to extremely bad ends.
Comedy-backed currency? Isn't that what we have here in the US?
What about all the reports of Russian troops being stationed here for marshall law? Have they been expelled? Ain't seen no news on that!
Lots of fishy going on.
Black helicopters coming for you soon.
I know this because my buddy has a brother in law who has a friend who knows a guy in the black helicopter division.
Funny haha, everybody knows that black helicopters, swat teams, tazers, and police brutality is only a fignut of your own worn out and usless scrotum.
I hope your post is sarcasm. In any case, the word is spelled "martial law."
I wish it were sarcasm too. Several sources have published such reports. True or not, I wouldn't know. If there is any truth to these reports all should be aware. If one had an idea and didn't share the info, then the accusation of traitor might be in order. In any case, all should be very wary of what's going on around them. Time to ask yourself which, if any government do you trust.
Yeah, and that you're housing some of them! Come clean will you, you traitor!
I forget which radio show I heard it on but you know the same old story, some government "insider" saying there are 250,000 Russian and Chinese troops here training.
I haven't seen any, guess we will find out though.
It would have to take a pretty big event to disrupt Americans enough to make any kind of foreign troop invasion successful because last time I checked Americans like their guns and shit that goes bang!
Didn't somebody simulate this very scenario in some government simulation center? Oh, yea, Jim Rickerts, and the Ruskies and Chinese blew up the dollar!
Yeah Putin got his game plan by buying a book off of Amazon.
I appears that Brzezinski and his cohorts have succeeded in trading China for Ukraine. Not a very good bargain, unless, of course, you are a Polish patriot.
Well, when they waved the fiat only the Ukrainians jumped at it...
Russia needs to create a new jew free defensive economic axis in the east, its a matter of good strategy. The west has succumbed to parasitism and if the east does not protect itself the same could happen to them, clearly they are under attack. What Russia is doing is not only good for Russia but for the world. Sorry NWO, better luck next time.