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89% Of Venetians Vote For Independence From Italy, Will Withhold Taxes To Rome
Inspired by Scotland's hopes for independence and hot on the heels of Crime'a 95% preference for accession to Russia, 89% of the citizens of Venice voted for their own sovereign state in a ‘referendum’ on independence from Italy. As The Daily Mail reports, the proposed ‘Repubblica Veneta’ includes the five million inhabitants of the Veneto region and has been largely driven by the wealthy 'who are tired of supporting the poor and crime-ridden south' (Venice pays EUR71bn in taxes and receives only EUR21bn in services and investment). The ballot appointed a committee of ten who immediately declared independence from Italy. Venice may now start withholding taxes from Rome. Wonder why the US, Europe, and Japan have not announced the referendum "illegal" and announced sanctions yet?
Venetians have voted overwhelmingly for their own sovereign state in a ‘referendum’ on independence from Italy.
Inspired by Scotland’s separatist ambitions, 89 per cent of the residents of the lagoon city and its surrounding area, opted to break away from Italy in an unofficial ballot.
The proposed ‘Repubblica Veneta’ would include the five million inhabitants of the Veneto region and could later expand to include parts of Lombardy, Trentino and Friuli-Venezia Giulia.
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Wealthy Venetians, under mounting financial pressure in the economic crisis, have rallied in their thousands, after growing tired of supporting Italy’s poor and crime ridden Mezzogiorno south, through high taxation.
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Campaigners say that the Rome government receives around 71 billion euros each year in tax from Venice - some 21 billion euros less than it gets back in investment and services.
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The ballot also appointed a committee of ten who immediately declared independence from Italy. Venice may now start withholding taxes from Rome.
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Campaigner Paolo Bernardini, professor of European history at the University of Insubria in Como, northern Italy, said it was ‘high time’ for Venice to become an autonomous state once again.
‘Although history never repeats itself, we are now experiencing a strong return of little nations, small and prosperous countries, able to interact among each other in the global world.’
‘The Venetian people realized that we are a nation (worthy of) self-rule and openly oppressed, and the entire world is moving towards fragmentation - a positive fragmentation - where local traditions mingle with global exchanges.’
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'We are only at the Big Bang of the movement - but revolutions are born of hunger and we are now hungry. Venice can now escape.’
So how long will it before Barosso, Van Rompuy, Obama, Abe and th rest declare this referendum "illegal" and seek sanctions against the people of Venice...
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Send in the 10th and the 12th Legions!
God Bless the Venetians!
Sure, however, I do wonder where Venice gets it's food?
Does Venice have a central bank?
No but they'll need a Treasury.
some interesting reading how venetian oligarchy established british monarchy
http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/
Obama has issued a statement that the US will withhold all oars, paddles and gondola sticks!!! - take that!!!!
Consent of the governed can be a bitch;)
May drapetomania always be with us.
OT: Has anyone heard from Hedgeless Horseman lately? I am starting to worry that DSH trolls reading ZH decided to take him out.
Doesn't Vlad owe the west a reciprical $5 billion "in your back yard" investment?
..maybe even some Venetian nukes.
But where will they put the mobile launchers when they do the next Venice remodel in Vegas?
..maybe even some Venetian nukes. But where will they put the MOBILE LAUNCHERS?
On swiftboats? Gondolas? ;-)
Looney
Pontoons will work.
Heck, they scoot around in golf carts there, too.. maybe a big golf cart with portrait of the former messiah.
(sp. reciprocal)
This is the first time I have encountered the term 'Mezzogiorno'. When I look it up, what do I find in the third paragraph? "First-level NUTS of the European Union".
OK, when does Texas get the itchy trigger finger and then decide to tell DC "Up yours! Remember the Crimea! Remember the Venetians!"
Come and take it!! Bitchez!
-Texan
I posed the following question on twitter tonight: if Texas can secede from Mexico, then why not the US and A?
According to a good friend and Texan that I know, Texas has a "legal" out since it was for a short period, a Republic that asked to be accepted into the union and reserved the right to secede should it so decide.
I've never worried about it because like the rest of America, there are parts that are dependent on other parts and while Texas does cover a lot of territory, a lot of that territory is unfit for much more than coyotes and snakes.
Now a Texas-Northern Mexico union might raise a few eyebrows, till the first good hurricane hits.
It's planting season
HH takes mental health breaks from time to time. He has a nice life, and a great family. We should all be so well balanced;)
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I was also wondering about that. I haven't seen him here for a while. Kind of miss his photos of cheese and dishes.
No governments are also parasitized by dual citizens, the infestation is worst there because there is where the power and control is and the MONEY. Like making sure your own are FED chairs for like the last five positions. Makes sense if you control the printer etc.
You don't like your government you don't have to keep it. About time, Love it.
Chicagah/Illinois divorce coming soon.
Can London leave the UK yet?
Will Texas leave the USA? Come on Gov Perry stick it to fucking Obama. Whats he going to do? Draw another red line? He is ripe for the taking.
....and join Mexico. Population will very soon be majority Hispanic. That's the Repukes' idea of patriotism.
Do you realize just how stupid and un-informed you sound using terms like "repuke" (same for "dumbocrat" or "faux news") around here? Divide and conquer dumbass. Learn the real enemy....or just stay reading Democratic Underground or Free Republic.
Is that you Wendy?
I stand over 'Repuke'. These bastards have gone along with, and in many cases initiated, every destructive measure destroying America: Mass immigration, amnesty, gun control, bankster control, increasing Federal interference.. and all they do is wave the flag to keep the dumbasses quiescient while they destroy the country. And least the Dems are a bit more up front about things. Ron Paul is the only worthwhile Republican.
He is a spineless pussy
Can Canada finally unload Quebec?
Oh Good God Almighty, Please ,Please Please ,Please.
Not that a 20' cyclone fence around that festering shithole (known as chicago) with no way out or in wouldn't make me squirt all manner of body juices, in the general direction of that SHITHOLE.
Sorry about using shithole twice in one tiny little paragraph. Absolutely could not help myself.
FREE FROM THE TYRANNY OF THE usa -
SECESSION FOR BROOKLYN!!
Secession not needed, let's just kick them out.
and you will learn real quick who armed forces were really supposed to 'protect'.
This is more of a tax revolt against the central bunga planners in Rome than a call for secession from Italy. There's more Italians in Venice than in the Mainland. They're just tired of paying high taxes.
oooooo don't tease me. :)
right. tarpley is a larouchite.
The Medici's are on it.
The Venetians need weapons. Liberation can only occur at the point of a gun.
Secessions are by the people, coups require a foreign sponsor.
Doesn't that really get determined by TPTB of any given country? If Italy rolled tanks on Venice, yeah people would be talking about arming them and all that. When TPTB let go things are usually peaceful.
Gun point? That how it worked in Russia, and France?
THis is just another CIA/MOSSAD operation. They are blamed for evey other revolution so I just wanted to be the first.
Well, they have been found guilty of instigating many revolutions ever since their inception, so when there is motive and some evidence they are a prime suspect
...no motive or evidence i see in this case but who knows maybe AlQaeda or the NeoNazis will make it to town for some fun and to help demonize anarchists and self deetermination
No motive? They want to kill the euro as the petrodollar can only be threatened if an alternative exists. 1. Foment secession and independence 2. Encourage realization of how good life would be if they could devalue at will...
Most european economies outside of Germany have never learned to handle their finances and have been dependent on a steady succession of devaluations. And these irresponsible teens are starting to notice that growing up to a responsible adult takes more self discipline than they've got.
I don't think democratic referendum is part of their modus operandi. When it is a CIA revolution, there are guns and dead leaders.
Give it time may still happen in Venice lol
All the mortgages it holds are under water.
@LawsofPhysics
They can buy an awful lot of food with the 50 billion Euros that they presently use to subsidise spendthrift Europe,
Paper money is mattering less and less. Gold matters not at all to them.
There is farmland to the west of Venice. That matters.
They have no oil. That matters more.
I was there a few years ago. The sheer weight of tourist trinkets threatened to collapse the Rialto bridge.
They have a 70,000 bpd refinery:
http://abarrelfull.wikidot.com/porto-marghera-venice-refinery
So, as long as the oil-producers need their product refined, they can trade the service in exchange for some oil for themselves.
I'm pretty sure Russia would be willing to help out.
They don't produce anything, its all 200 euro rides in gondolas, and 100 euro tickets to historic sites that generates all this money. So, you're saying because Chinese like to visit there and spend money, these Venetians are not "spendthrift"? Venetians can throw money away just as well as any other Europeans. Let the whole thing sink into the ocean.
It's truly On Like Donkey Kong, both in terms of economics & politics.
Watch for renewed & tremendous pressure to build in northern European states to push back against their traitorous politicians, such as Merkel, who have been stabbing their citizenry in their collective backs now for a long, long time,'using income/wealth taken from their citizens, to fund the black holes of toxic debts and continued deficit spending that goes on elsewhere in their "common unions."'
The surge of the right wing nationalists in France, this recent referendum result in Venice, current events in Belgium, Switzerland, Scotland, etc. illustrate the independence tsunami that is now building.
This means the EU is toast! I love it. Once this sorta thing starts, it aint gonna stop....O lord the poor bankers, next thing you know one of the States will use silver for money coin.
Word is, it's going to be Upper Colorado. You did not hear it here.
They should. Have you seen the hundreds if not thousands of homeless in downtown Denver? It is a shame what progressives have created. Except the weed man, that is a good thing, putting people in jail for weed is evil.
And no I do not smoke and think it makes users slow. But it still should be a free choice.
I am with you - vaporizer and edibles are the way to go.
I don't think users are slow per se, I think they just care less about participating in the rat race, so it can make them appear so. As far a intelligence, some of the most brillant and successful people I know partake regularly. on the flip side the successful people i know who don't partake have made a good majority of their money by ripping people off and are ignorant to everyday realities.
Plus one.
I know a lot of them and they run the gamut from brilliant in their chosen fields to the laid back and dis-interested. Same can be said for alcohol drinkers or straight arrows.
Takes all kinds to make the world go round ;-)
List of States that accept PMs.
http://www.goldcoins-silverbullion.com/statesgoldlegaltender.html
"This means the EU is toast! I love it. Once this sorta thing starts, it aint gonna stop....O lord the poor bankers, next thing you know one of the States will use silver for money coin."
LOL. show me even one separatist movement in europe that aims to have their own nation and leave the EU at the same time. in fact, it's the very EU setup that makes those aims even thinkable
Scotland? is more interested in EU membership than England. Venice? as much as the rest of Italy. Catalunya? Flanders? we are talking here about rich regions with lots of trading which feel that their national unions are a bad deal for them, not the EU
you are projecting your own setup, aims and wishes on a completely different reality, mostly because you think that the EU is the "european US"
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meanwhile, Tyler writes: "So how long will it before Barosso, Van Rompuy, Obama, Abe and th rest declare this referendum "illegal" and seek sanctions against the people of Venice..."
they won't even notice it. for the simple reason that it was not an official referendum, just something like an online petition. an important petition, with 2 million claimed yes votes, yet still not a referendum comparable with Scotland's upcoming one
Yes, but it's the whole democracy thing that the EU hates. How many members voted against the most recent treaty? If the EU let's regions secede by popular vote it opens a can of worms for them. And if the EU doesn't "allow" or recognize the secession bitterness and military conflict arise from within. Really a no win scenario for the EU.
And don't think Germany doesn't know it.
Darn you. I was playing Zork, but now I'm going off in search of DK.
Government is not needed and eventually people realize how destructive it really is. That's when it becomes unwanted.
Then a war miraculously happens, and suddenly people want it because there is a big bad country trying to hurt us.
But
What
About
The
Roads?!?!?!?!
I junked myself for the tired joke.
As a European I hope and pray you're right. But don't underestimate the vast numbers of people in power living of the EU teat. They'll not go down without one helluva fight.
Dr. Jim Willie said a possible tipping point could be Finland opting out of the Euro. Maybe one of the smaller northern countries may bring the whole corrupt EU crashing down. It cannot happen too soon.
What is wrong with the Venetians? are they Blind?
I was going to make that joke ... you beat me to it.
How do you make a Venetian Blind?
Poke his eyes out.
How do you make a Swiss Roll?
Push him down an Alp.
How do you make a Maltese Cross?
Kick him in the shins.
How do you make a dual citizen CRISPy KREME
Venice is more than just the famous city of canals. Its surrounded by the region of Veneto which is a rich farming area.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&u...
It's all tricks Putin! Putin guilty of this! We urgently need to expand sanctions! LOL
This is an incredible display of political showmanship. When the booboisie in America were all focused on the non-Crimean regions of Ukraine, Putin manages to leap almost half a continent and infiltrate the waterlogged Venitians in a fashion only seen in Inception.
COME AND HAVE A GO, IF EU THINK YOU'RE HARD ENOUGH.
-Vlad
Definitely. We love their blinds, we have them on all our windows.
Fantastico Venezia!
How many divisions do the Venetians have?
After independence, they will become part of Russia. This way was made in Crimea.
they have the power to make their enemies blind !!!
gee......i didn't see SHIT about this story anywhere in the msm this whole week ! hmmmm.......you don't think the non-effin-stop coverage of MH370 could've been at all intentional to help keep the SECESSION vote story hush-hush ? ? Naahhhhhhhhhhhh ....
It was actually all over the MSM this week.
It was this site that surprised me with the lack of coverage of it.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/arrivederci-rome-venice-votes-independ...
I don't know man but I have not seen nor heard a thing about it here in North West Europe.
Venice seeks independence from Italy in unofficial poll (Independent)
Veneto residents support leaving Italy in unofficial referendum (Telegraph)Exclusive to all newspapers.
Not in Holland. Here's this minutes headlines http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=...
It would not come in handy for TPTB right now to remind the people of a certain referendum in 2005 and the non democratic way the outcome was handled by the puppet masters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005 (yeah it's a shit source)
@ Radioactive WHEN IS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE UNOFFICIAL
F this world, the people created govts and the people are the ones who make stuff official f ckin govts ruled by dual citizen dipsh*ts
Donetsk after Crimea requires a referendum on joining Russia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACTiMuKoN_4
Luhansk, Kharkiv and Odessa also require a referendum on joining Russia.
There's no Russian military. Just people do not want to recognize the power of the Nazis in Kiev. They did not choose this illegitimate power. They do not want to join the EU. They do not want to join NATO. They do not want to enter into any other shit. They want only one thing - to be together with Russia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYfntQymFCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpumUbZaFkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldRVG0ljmHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOiItOcQWDk
its been running around the clock for three days on RT
RT could not show "around the clock for three days" of the events, that occurred only yesterday - March 23.
And it is not was shown on the CNN and faux news.
If we don't nip this in the bud, gondolas will stream across European lands, spreading this poison of independence far and wide.
"If he gets up, we'll all get up, it'll be anarchy!"
Props for the Breakfast Club reference..
Send in Spartacus!
As badly as I want to say good on them, this is how its described by the Independent:
The online poll was organised by local activists and parties, who want to establish a sovereign state called the Republic of Veneto, which would encompass the five million inhabitants of the region.
More than two million residents – 73 per cent of all those eligible to take part - participated in the week-long survey, the Daily Mail reported.
How much stock are we to put into an 'online poll', described as a 'survey'?
The only thing that matters is that this vote is considered meaningless and changes nothing. It is up to the people there now to take the next step and attempt to make this a reality. Once that happens, watch out.
Wonder why the US, Europe, and Japan have not announced the referendum "illegal" and announced sanctions yet?
Because they haven't discovered oil and natgas in the Grand Canal.
People are hating centralization, they are wanting their own regions and own money.
Its because with centralization their voices are not heard and the dual citizens can easily take over the govt
Wonder why the US, Europe, and Japan have not announced the referendum "illegal" and announced sanctions yet?
Answer: They're Venetian Blind.
I logged on just to upvote that.
Much appreciated, a hack comic will take what he can get.
That was gold, Bania, gold!
Absent breaking free of a capsized Italy, Venice will struggle to stay afloat.
Me too!
Wonder why the US, Europe, and Japan have not announced the referendum "illegal" and announced sanctions yet?
Because there shall be no secession without State Department permission.
So the Empire has declared, and so it must be done!
"Pietro Piccinetti, who heads the “no” committee, tells NBC News the referendum is anachronistic, and dangerous for the region.
“Veneto can’t survive by itself,” said Piccinetti. “If entire nations these days struggle to cope with the economic crisis, what would happen to an independent region? It’s a contradiction.”
@fonzannoon
With an extra 50 billion euros less tax you got admit they'll have a bit less of a crisis.
My point, to the mental midget who junked me, is that any attempt at secession by a group of people who would be clearly better off on their own, will be viewed as anarchy....and if they truly attempt to make it a reality, will soon understand that they were always under totalitarian rule all along. However if enough follow suit, you never know where it may go. I wish them luck.
I wish these people would just come right out and say the referendum is "anachronistic" and "dangerous" because independence is passé and can lead to people engaging in such risky behavior as self-determination. Clearly what is needed is more centralized government, possibly even global in scope. A "new world order," if you will.
A "new world order," if you will.
One elite class to rule them all.
Ha ha, you guys are like a Cass and Samantha tag team.
Italy bonds may say something. This is a serious crimp in the budget.
Not yet. Wait until Lombardy cuts loose from Rome, then it's gonna get really hot in Italy.
And TPTB already has a "golden" plan to save Italy from the imposed 'austerity'... (here's some more on the IEA)
Still think the Venice referendum isn't at least sponsored from outside?
i think it was Dr. Smith
Venice was founded by people fleeing, I think, the Mongols or Visigoths. They waded through marshes and built a very defensible city state that was incredibly wealthy due to trade. There is till tons of money there. They can tell Italy, EU and Euro plus IMF to go F themselves and Venice will be fine.
Yeah right. And single persons are all dead already...
You might also state that they have been put into something of a Venetian Bind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFAd-zpqWiU&feature=kp
Good god, that's appalling.
But Amerika's PresEdent is playing golf, how rude to make such a statement without his consent. Strong condemnation coming after the 19th hole.
Monday President Buckwheat will be told by his handlers to start freezing assets of the Venetians, five seconds later he will ask why he was never told there was life on Venus.
Okay, that was actually funny!
I'll bet the Woodie knows some Venetians, and vegans, and carpet eaters...
Now who is going to protect them from Putin?
sarc/off
Those bloody Russians must have falsified the results; they probably intend to annex Venice too.
Pax Putinia
Hopefully a really big nail in the EU coffin.
GET IT ON VENICE.
Good-bye EU, it's been nice knowing you.
sloppy writing, tyler.
which of these is correct:
"(Venice pays EUR71bn in taxes and receives only EUR21bn in services and investment)."
"Campaigners say that the Rome government receives around 71 billion euros each year in tax from Venice - some 21 billion euros less than it gets back in investment and services."
they are not at all the same thing.
So does that mean the bankruptcy of Rome as back on the table again?
Just flood that shithole. Oh wait...
As soon as oil is discovered there.
Cue RED Lines and SNIPERS!
cue Red Wine and Swipers!
Cue Bunga Bunga!
Cue Red Wine and Strippers
my only problem with this referendum is that there were no foreign troops on the streets.
I heard it's non-binding? What are the next steps? Any experts here?
Sanctions first. Then we need to send arms directly to the 11% of Venetians who want to remain with Italy. Clearly these are our only options besides all-out war with Venice.
We'll be needing someone to pillory, a new face of evil for the MSM.
Not an expert.
It was an online vote, which are often trivial to hack. So the next step would be to organise an official vote which requires people to put an X in a box on a piece of paper. Much more difficult to hack.
Then, you set up a talking shop (parliament) and a civil service to enact the talking shop's decisions. They could probably just coopt the existing civil service and tell them they no longer report to the national government.
Then you wait for the bombs and tanks.
I declare myself 100% independent and will now pay taxes only to myself !!! I am tired of supporting the poor and crime ridden North, South, East and West !!!
100% morally correct to do.
Terrist
And that's on top of the lega nord who also want independance.
This and the Huge showing of the National Front in France, massive protests in Spain the weekend really should start impacting the Euro and the ridiculous low Bond rates in periphery Europe again,...
Italy 10y hit 2.346% last week! Spain 3.291% !! that's just crazy, ...and I hear Grillo is expected to get huge support in the the coming elections as well.
I think the Europe is fixed mantra may be getting a large spanner in its works in the coming months...