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89% Of Venetians Vote For Independence From Italy, Will Withhold Taxes To Rome

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Inspired by Scotland's hopes for independence and hot on the heels of Crime'a 95% preference for accession to Russia, 89% of the citizens of Venice voted for their own sovereign state in a ‘referendum’ on independence from Italy. As The Daily Mail reports, the proposed ‘Repubblica Veneta’ includes the five million inhabitants of the Veneto region and has been largely driven by the wealthy 'who are tired of supporting the poor and crime-ridden south' (Venice pays EUR71bn in taxes and receives only EUR21bn in services and investment). The ballot appointed a committee of ten who immediately declared independence from Italy. Venice may now start withholding taxes from Rome. Wonder why the US, Europe, and Japan have not announced the referendum "illegal" and announced sanctions yet?

 

Via The Daily Mail,

Venetians have voted overwhelmingly for their own sovereign state in a ‘referendum’ on independence from Italy.

 

Inspired by Scotland’s separatist ambitions, 89 per cent of the residents of the lagoon city and its surrounding area, opted to break away from Italy in an unofficial ballot.

 

The proposed ‘Repubblica Veneta’ would include the five million inhabitants of the Veneto region and could later expand to include parts of Lombardy, Trentino and Friuli-Venezia Giulia.

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Wealthy Venetians, under mounting financial pressure in the economic crisis, have rallied in their thousands, after growing tired of supporting Italy’s poor and crime ridden Mezzogiorno south, through high taxation.

 

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Campaigners say that the Rome government receives around 71 billion euros  each year in tax from Venice - some 21 billion euros less than it gets back in investment and services.

 

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The ballot also appointed a committee of ten who immediately declared independence from Italy. Venice may now start withholding taxes from Rome. 

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Campaigner Paolo Bernardini, professor of European history at the University of Insubria in Como, northern Italy, said it was ‘high time’ for Venice to become an autonomous state once again.

 

‘Although history never repeats itself, we are now experiencing a strong return of little nations, small and prosperous countries, able to interact among each other in the global world.’

 

‘The Venetian people realized that we are a nation (worthy of) self-rule and openly oppressed, and the entire world is moving towards fragmentation - a positive fragmentation - where local traditions mingle with global exchanges.’

 

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'We are only at the Big Bang of the movement - but revolutions are born of hunger and we are now hungry. Venice can now escape.’

So how long will it before Barosso, Van Rompuy, Obama, Abe and th rest declare this referendum "illegal" and seek sanctions against the people of Venice...

 

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Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:02 | 4583180 Charles Wilson
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Send in the 10th and the 12th Legions!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:11 | 4583211 CH1
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God Bless the Venetians!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:13 | 4583218 LawsofPhysics
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Sure, however, I do wonder where Venice gets it's food?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:18 | 4583244 macholatte
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Does Venice have a central bank?

 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:19 | 4583249 Soul Glow
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No but they'll need a Treasury.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:28 | 4583266 layman_please
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some interesting reading how venetian oligarchy established british monarchy

http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:48 | 4583297 Pladizow
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Obama has issued a statement that the US will withhold all oars, paddles and gondola sticks!!! - take that!!!!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:02 | 4583355 kaiserhoff
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Consent of the governed can be a bitch;)

 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:09 | 4583377 Anusocracy
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May drapetomania always be with us.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:18 | 4583398 bigrooster
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OT:  Has anyone heard from Hedgeless Horseman lately?  I am starting to worry that DSH trolls reading ZH decided to take him out. 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:57 | 4583535 Manthong
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Doesn't Vlad owe the west a reciprical $5 billion "in your back yard" investment?

..maybe even some Venetian nukes.

But where will they put the mobile launchers when they do the next Venice remodel in Vegas?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:07 | 4583573 Looney
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..maybe even some Venetian nukes. But where will they put the MOBILE LAUNCHERS?

On swiftboats? Gondolas?  ;-)

Looney

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:18 | 4583601 Manthong
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Pontoons will work.

Heck, they scoot around in golf carts there, too.. maybe a big golf cart with portrait of the former messiah.

(sp. reciprocal)

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 20:05 | 4583727 zhandax
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This is the first time I have encountered the term 'Mezzogiorno'.  When I look it up, what do I find in the third paragraph?  "First-level NUTS of the European Union".

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 20:41 | 4583824 HoofHearted
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OK, when does Texas get the itchy trigger finger and then decide to tell DC "Up yours! Remember the Crimea! Remember the Venetians!" 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 21:53 | 4584002 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Come and take it!! Bitchez!

-Texan

 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 22:03 | 4584034 Blano
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I posed the following question on twitter tonight: if Texas can secede from Mexico, then why not the US and A?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 08:47 | 4584929 earnulf
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According to a good friend and Texan that I know, Texas has a "legal" out since it was for a short period, a Republic that asked to be accepted into the union and reserved the right to secede should it so decide.

I've never worried about it because like the rest of America, there are parts that are dependent on other parts and while Texas does cover a lot of territory, a lot of that territory is unfit for much more than coyotes and snakes.

Now a Texas-Northern Mexico union might raise a few eyebrows, till the first good hurricane hits.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:41 | 4583674 brown_hornet
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It's planting season

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 20:28 | 4583798 kaiserhoff
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HH takes mental health breaks from time to time.  He has a nice life, and a great family.  We should all be so well balanced;)

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:11 | 4584478 James
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Mon, 03/24/2014 - 02:21 | 4584573 Joe A
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I was also wondering about that. I haven't seen him here for a while. Kind of miss his photos of cheese and dishes.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 23:53 | 4584371 Antifaschistische
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The parasites, will never release their host. Governments...are parasites that must feed off the productivity of their citizenry.
Mon, 03/24/2014 - 00:56 | 4584484 Independent
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No governments are also parasitized by dual citizens, the infestation is worst there because there is where the power and control is and the MONEY.  Like making sure your own are FED chairs for like the last five positions.  Makes sense if you control the printer etc.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:44 | 4583302 remain calm
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You don't like your government you don't have to keep it. About time, Love it.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:57 | 4583340 kaiserhoff
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Chicagah/Illinois  divorce coming soon.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:10 | 4583380 Seahorse
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Can London leave the UK yet?

 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:35 | 4583452 remain calm
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Will Texas leave the USA? Come on Gov Perry stick it to fucking Obama. Whats he going to do? Draw another red line? He is ripe for the taking.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:24 | 4583625 Rafferty
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....and join Mexico.  Population will very soon be majority Hispanic.  That's the Repukes' idea of patriotism.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 20:04 | 4583726 sunnyside
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Do you realize just how stupid and un-informed you sound using terms like "repuke" (same for "dumbocrat" or "faux news") around here?  Divide and conquer dumbass.  Learn the real enemy....or just stay reading Democratic Underground or Free Republic.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 22:04 | 4584038 Blano
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Is that you Wendy?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 08:15 | 4584866 Rafferty
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I stand over 'Repuke'.  These bastards have gone along with, and in many cases initiated,  every destructive measure destroying America:  Mass immigration, amnesty, gun control, bankster control, increasing Federal interference.. and all they do is wave the flag to keep the dumbasses quiescient while they destroy the country.  And least the Dems are a bit more up front about things.  Ron Paul is the only worthwhile Republican.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:37 | 4583454 remain calm
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He is a spineless pussy

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:04 | 4583563 Lore
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Can Canada finally unload Quebec?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:22 | 4583613 meltdown
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Oh Good God Almighty, Please ,Please Please ,Please.

Not that a  20' cyclone fence around that festering shithole (known as chicago) with no way out or in wouldn't make me squirt all manner of body juices, in the general direction of that SHITHOLE.

Sorry about using shithole twice in one tiny little paragraph. Absolutely could not help myself. 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:25 | 4583626 Omen IV
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FREE FROM THE TYRANNY OF THE usa -

SECESSION FOR BROOKLYN!!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 22:05 | 4584040 Blano
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Secession not needed, let's just kick them out.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:30 | 4583348 layman_please
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and you will learn real quick who armed forces were really supposed to 'protect'.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:17 | 4583396 Harbanger
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This is more of a tax revolt against the central bunga planners in Rome than a call for secession from Italy.  There's more Italians in Venice than in the Mainland.  They're just tired of paying high taxes.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:21 | 4583612 lucyvp
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oooooo don't tease me. :)

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 08:16 | 4584869 Archduke
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right.  tarpley is a larouchite.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:29 | 4583268 TeamDepends
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The Medici's are on it.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:57 | 4583339 EscapingProgress
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The Venetians need weapons. Liberation can only occur at the point of a gun.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:47 | 4583501 Anusocracy
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Secessions are by the people, coups require a foreign sponsor.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 22:22 | 4584096 TheReplacement
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Doesn't that really get determined by TPTB of any given country?  If Italy rolled tanks on Venice, yeah people would be talking about arming them and all that.  When TPTB let go things are usually peaceful. 

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 03:02 | 4584629 A Nanny Moose
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Gun point? That how it worked in Russia, and France?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:06 | 4583367 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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THis is just another CIA/MOSSAD operation. They are blamed for evey other revolution so I just wanted to be the first. 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:36 | 4583409 DownByTheRiver
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Well, they have been found guilty of instigating many revolutions ever since their inception, so when there is motive and some evidence they are a prime suspect

 

...no motive or evidence i see in this case but who knows maybe AlQaeda or the NeoNazis will make it to town for some fun and to help demonize anarchists and self deetermination

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 01:15 | 4584515 Hunch Trader
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No motive? They want to kill the euro as the petrodollar can only be threatened if an alternative exists. 1. Foment secession and independence 2. Encourage realization of how good life would be if they could devalue at will...

Most european economies outside of Germany have never learned to handle their finances and have been dependent on a steady succession of devaluations. And these irresponsible teens are starting to notice that growing up to a responsible adult takes more self discipline than they've got.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:39 | 4583473 Matt
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I don't think democratic referendum is part of their modus operandi. When it is a CIA revolution, there are guns and dead leaders.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 00:58 | 4584488 Independent
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Give it time may still happen in Venice lol

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:45 | 4583306 Who was that ma...
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All the mortgages it holds are under water.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:19 | 4583248 adonisdemilo
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@LawsofPhysics

They can buy an awful lot of food with the 50 billion Euros that they presently use to subsidise spendthrift Europe, 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:57 | 4583328 CrashisOptimistic
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Paper money is mattering less and less.  Gold matters not at all to them.

There is farmland to the west of Venice.  That matters.

They have no oil.  That matters more.

I was there a few years ago.  The sheer weight of tourist trinkets threatened to collapse the Rialto bridge.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:44 | 4583491 Matt
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They have a 70,000 bpd refinery:

http://abarrelfull.wikidot.com/porto-marghera-venice-refinery

So, as long as the oil-producers need their product refined, they can trade the service in exchange for some oil for themselves. 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:21 | 4583611 slightlyskeptical
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I'm pretty sure Russia would be willing to help out.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 08:14 | 4584861 redd_green
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They don't produce anything, its all 200 euro rides in gondolas, and 100 euro tickets to historic sites that generates all this money.   So, you're saying because Chinese like to visit there and spend money, these Venetians are not "spendthrift"?    Venetians can throw money away just as well as any other Europeans.    Let the whole thing sink into the ocean.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:22 | 4583251 TruthInSunshine
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It's truly On Like Donkey Kong, both in terms of economics & politics.

Watch for renewed & tremendous pressure to build in northern European states to push back against their traitorous politicians, such as Merkel, who have been stabbing their citizenry in their collective backs now for a long, long time,'using income/wealth taken from their citizens, to fund the black holes of toxic debts and continued deficit spending that goes on elsewhere in their "common unions."'

The surge of the right wing nationalists in France, this recent referendum result in Venice, current events in Belgium, Switzerland, Scotland, etc. illustrate the independence tsunami that is now building.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:26 | 4583259 TahoeBilly2012
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This means the EU is toast! I love it. Once this sorta thing starts, it aint gonna stop....O lord the poor bankers, next thing you know one of the States will use silver for money coin.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:36 | 4583287 TeamDepends
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Word is, it's going to be Upper Colorado.  You did not hear it here.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:09 | 4583379 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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They should. Have you seen the hundreds if not thousands of homeless in downtown Denver? It is a shame what progressives have created. Except the weed man, that is a good thing, putting people in jail for weed is evil.

And no I do not smoke and think it makes users slow. But it still should be a free choice.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:24 | 4583413 DownByTheRiver
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I am with you - vaporizer and edibles are the way to go. 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:28 | 4583636 slightlyskeptical
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I don't think users are slow per se, I think they just care less about participating in the rat race, so it can make them appear so. As far a intelligence, some of the most brillant and successful people I know partake regularly. on the flip side the successful people i know who don't partake have made a good majority of their money by ripping people off and are ignorant to everyday realities.  

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:40 | 4583670 nmewn
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Plus one.

I know a lot of them and they run the gamut from brilliant in their chosen fields to the laid back and dis-interested. Same can be said for alcohol drinkers or straight arrows.

Takes all kinds to make the world go round ;-)

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 00:58 | 4584489 James
Mon, 03/24/2014 - 04:07 | 4584670 Ghordius
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"This means the EU is toast! I love it. Once this sorta thing starts, it aint gonna stop....O lord the poor bankers, next thing you know one of the States will use silver for money coin."

LOL. show me even one separatist movement in europe that aims to have their own nation and leave the EU at the same time. in fact, it's the very EU setup that makes those aims even thinkable

Scotland? is more interested in EU membership than England. Venice? as much as the rest of Italy. Catalunya? Flanders? we are talking here about rich regions with lots of trading which feel that their national unions are a bad deal for them, not the EU

you are projecting your own setup, aims and wishes on a completely different reality, mostly because you think that the EU is the "european US"

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meanwhile, Tyler writes: "So how long will it before Barosso, Van Rompuy, Obama, Abe and th rest declare this referendum "illegal" and seek sanctions against the people of Venice..."

they won't even notice it. for the simple reason that it was not an official referendum, just something like an online petition. an important petition, with 2 million claimed yes votes, yet still not a referendum comparable with Scotland's upcoming one

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 08:50 | 4584940 TheFutureReset
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Yes, but it's the whole democracy thing that the EU hates. How many members voted against the most recent treaty? If the EU let's regions secede by popular vote it opens a can of worms for them. And if the EU doesn't "allow" or recognize the secession bitterness and military conflict arise from within. Really a no win scenario for the EU.

And don't think Germany doesn't know it. 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:35 | 4583282 Postal
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On Like Donkey Kong

Darn you. I was playing Zork, but now I'm going off in search of DK.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:57 | 4583341 Anusocracy
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Government is not needed and eventually people realize how destructive it really is. That's when it becomes unwanted.

Then a war miraculously happens, and suddenly people want it because there is a big bad country trying to hurt us.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 22:34 | 4584138 Meat Hammer
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But
What
About
The
Roads?!?!?!?!

I junked myself for the tired joke.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:29 | 4583642 Rafferty
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As a European I hope and pray you're right.  But don't underestimate the vast numbers of people in power living of the EU teat.  They'll not go down without one helluva fight.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 23:03 | 4584240 Freddie
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Dr. Jim Willie said a possible tipping point could be Finland opting out of the Euro.  Maybe one of the smaller northern countries may bring the whole corrupt EU crashing down.  It cannot happen too soon.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:47 | 4583497 unrulian
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What is wrong with the Venetians? are they Blind?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:59 | 4583541 saulysw
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I was going to make that joke ... you beat me to it.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:53 | 4583699 logicalman
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How do you make a Venetian Blind?

Poke his eyes out.

How do you make a Swiss Roll?

Push him down an Alp.

How do you make a Maltese Cross?

Kick him in the shins.

 

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 01:02 | 4584494 Independent
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How do you make a dual citizen CRISPy KREME

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 22:44 | 4584162 risk.averse
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Venice is more than just the famous city of canals. Its surrounded by the region of Veneto which is a rich farming area.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:18 | 4583246 silvermail
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It's all tricks Putin! Putin guilty of this! We urgently need to expand sanctions! LOL

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:04 | 4583354 The Capitalist ...
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This is an incredible display of political showmanship.  When the booboisie in America were all focused on the non-Crimean regions of Ukraine, Putin manages to leap almost half a continent and infiltrate the waterlogged Venitians in a fashion only seen in Inception.  

COME AND HAVE A GO, IF EU THINK YOU'RE HARD ENOUGH.

-Vlad

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:43 | 4583298 Who was that ma...
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Definitely.  We love their blinds, we have them on all our windows.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 22:50 | 4584201 Freddie
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Fantastico Venezia!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:11 | 4583213 DeadFred
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How many divisions do the Venetians have?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:32 | 4583277 silvermail
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After independence, they will become part of Russia.  This way was made in Crimea.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:43 | 4583488 Hulk
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they have the power to make their enemies blind !!!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:13 | 4583221 InjectTheVenom
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gee......i didn't see SHIT about this story anywhere in the msm this whole week !    hmmmm.......you don't think the non-effin-stop coverage of MH370 could've been at all intentional to help keep the SECESSION vote story hush-hush  ? ?    Naahhhhhhhhhhhh ....

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:17 | 4583243 fonzannoon
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It was actually all over the MSM this week. 

It was this site that surprised me with the lack of coverage of it. 

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/arrivederci-rome-venice-votes-independ...

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:52 | 4583324 frenzic
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I don't know man but I have not seen nor heard a thing about it here in North West Europe.

 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:39 | 4583648 frenzic
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Not in Holland. Here's this minutes headlines http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=...

It would not come in handy for TPTB right now to remind the people of a certain referendum in 2005 and the non democratic way the outcome was handled by the puppet masters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005 (yeah it's a shit source)

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 01:05 | 4584499 Independent
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@ Radioactive   WHEN IS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE UNOFFICIAL

F this world, the people created govts and the people are the ones who make stuff official  f ckin govts ruled by dual citizen dipsh*ts

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:08 | 4583375 silvermail
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Donetsk after Crimea requires a referendum on joining Russia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACTiMuKoN_4

Luhansk, Kharkiv and Odessa also require a referendum on joining Russia.
There's no Russian military. Just people do not want to recognize the power of the Nazis in Kiev. They did not choose this illegitimate power. They do not want to join the EU. They do not want to join NATO. They do not want to enter into any other shit. They want only one thing - to be together with Russia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYfntQymFCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpumUbZaFkE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldRVG0ljmHs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOiItOcQWDk

 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:29 | 4583643 Omen IV
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its been running around the clock for three days on RT

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 21:06 | 4583786 silvermail
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RT could not show "around the clock for three days" of the events, that occurred only yesterday - March 23.

And it is not  was shown on the CNN and faux news.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:14 | 4583231 McMolotov
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If we don't nip this in the bud, gondolas will stream across European lands, spreading this poison of independence far and wide.

"If he gets up, we'll all get up, it'll be anarchy!"

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:58 | 4583345 fishmonger
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Props for the Breakfast Club reference..

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:03 | 4583356 g'kar
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Send in Spartacus!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:06 | 4583361 Clever Name
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As badly as I want to say good on them, this is how its described by the Independent:

The online poll was organised by local activists and parties, who want to establish a sovereign state called the Republic of Veneto, which would encompass the five million inhabitants of the region.

More than two million residents – 73 per cent of all those eligible to take part - participated in the week-long survey, the Daily Mail reported.

How much stock are we to put into an 'online poll', described as a 'survey'?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:07 | 4583370 fonzannoon
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The only thing that matters is that this vote is considered meaningless and changes nothing. It is up to the people there now to take the next step and attempt to make this a reality. Once that happens, watch out.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:16 | 4583395 rubiconsolutions
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Wonder why the US, Europe, and Japan have not announced the referendum "illegal" and announced sanctions yet?

Because they haven't discovered oil and natgas in the Grand Canal.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 00:06 | 4584396 Buck Johnson
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People are hating centralization, they are wanting their own regions and own money.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 01:08 | 4584503 Independent
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Its because with centralization their voices are not heard and the dual citizens can easily take over the govt

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:03 | 4583182 bania
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Wonder why the US, Europe, and Japan have not announced the referendum "illegal" and announced sanctions yet?

Answer: They're Venetian Blind.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:09 | 4583203 thatthingcanfly
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I logged on just to upvote that.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:13 | 4583222 bania
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Much appreciated, a hack comic will take what he can get.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:15 | 4583236 McMolotov
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That was gold, Bania, gold!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:44 | 4583303 TruthInSunshine
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Absent breaking free of a capsized Italy, Venice will struggle to stay afloat.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:49 | 4583312 graneros
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Me too!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:13 | 4583217 CH1
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Wonder why the US, Europe, and Japan have not announced the referendum "illegal" and announced sanctions yet?

Because there shall be no secession without State Department permission.

So the Empire has declared, and so it must be done!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:14 | 4583232 fonzannoon
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"Pietro Piccinetti, who heads the “no” committee, tells NBC News the referendum is anachronistic, and dangerous for the region.

“Veneto can’t survive by itself,” said Piccinetti. “If entire nations these days struggle to cope with the economic crisis, what would happen to an independent region? It’s a contradiction.”

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:23 | 4583255 adonisdemilo
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@fonzannoon

With an extra 50 billion euros less tax you got admit they'll have a bit less of a crisis.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:29 | 4583267 fonzannoon
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My point, to the mental midget who junked me, is that any attempt at secession by a group of people who would be clearly better off on their own, will be viewed as anarchy....and if they truly attempt to make it a reality, will soon understand that they were always under totalitarian rule all along. However if enough follow suit, you never know where it may go. I wish them luck. 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:36 | 4583284 McMolotov
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I wish these people would just come right out and say the referendum is "anachronistic" and "dangerous" because independence is passé and can lead to people engaging in such risky behavior as self-determination. Clearly what is needed is more centralized government, possibly even global in scope. A "new world order," if you will.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:51 | 4583318 CH1
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A "new world order," if you will.

One elite class to rule them all.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:15 | 4583392 Husk-Erzulie
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Ha ha, you guys are like a Cass and Samantha tag team.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:58 | 4583347 CrashisOptimistic
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Italy bonds may say something.  This is a serious crimp in the budget.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:06 | 4583400 ThirdWorldDude
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Not yet. Wait until Lombardy cuts loose from Rome, then it's gonna get really hot in Italy.

And TPTB already has a "golden" plan to save Italy from the imposed 'austerity'... (here's some more on the IEA)

 

Still think the Venice referendum isn't at least sponsored from outside?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:07 | 4583374 g'kar
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i think it was Dr. Smith

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 22:54 | 4584210 Freddie
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Venice was founded by people fleeing, I think, the Mongols or Visigoths.  They waded through marshes and built a very defensible city state that was incredibly wealthy due to trade.  There is till tons of money there.  They can tell Italy, EU and Euro plus IMF to go F themselves and Venice will be fine.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:34 | 4583661 Nussi34
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Yeah right. And single persons are all dead already...

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:14 | 4583224 ShrNfr
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You might also state that they have been put into something of a Venetian Bind.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:18 | 4583399 Husk-Erzulie
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Good god, that's appalling.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:03 | 4583184 discopimp
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But Amerika's PresEdent is playing golf, how rude to make such a statement without his consent.  Strong condemnation coming after the 19th hole.  

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:14 | 4583235 booboo
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Monday President Buckwheat will be told by his handlers to start freezing assets of the Venetians, five seconds later he will ask why he was never told there was life on Venus.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:52 | 4583323 CH1
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Okay, that was actually funny!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:01 | 4583352 kaiserhoff
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I'll bet the Woodie knows some Venetians, and vegans, and carpet eaters...

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:06 | 4583191 holmes
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Now who is going to protect them from Putin?

sarc/off

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:07 | 4583195 ThirdWorldDude
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Those bloody Russians must have falsified the results; they probably intend to annex Venice too.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:49 | 4583314 tmosley
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Pax Putinia

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:07 | 4583196 adonisdemilo
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Hopefully a really big nail in the EU coffin.

GET IT ON VENICE.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:08 | 4583199 Atomizer
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Good-bye EU, it's been nice knowing you.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:09 | 4583201 stacking12321
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sloppy writing, tyler.

which of these is correct:

"(Venice pays EUR71bn in taxes and receives only EUR21bn in services and investment)."

"Campaigners say that the Rome government receives around 71 billion euros  each year in tax from Venice - some 21 billion euros less than it gets back in investment and services."

 

they are not at all the same thing.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:14 | 4583228 disabledvet
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So does that mean the bankruptcy of Rome as back on the table again?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:09 | 4583202 Cornholiovanderbilt
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Just flood that shithole.  Oh wait...

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:09 | 4583204 El Vaquero
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So how long will it before Barosso, Van Rompuy, Obama, Abe and th rest declare this referendum "illegal" and seek sanctions against the people of Venice...

As soon as oil is discovered there. 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:10 | 4583207 salvadordaly
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Cue RED Lines and SNIPERS!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:15 | 4583239 disabledvet
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cue Red Wine and Swipers!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:20 | 4583403 Husk-Erzulie
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Cue Bunga Bunga!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 20:16 | 4583762 sunnyside
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Cue Red Wine and Strippers

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:10 | 4583208 layman_please
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my only problem with this referendum is that there were no foreign troops on the streets.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:10 | 4583209 blabam
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I heard it's non-binding? What are the next steps? Any experts here? 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:21 | 4583250 McMolotov
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Sanctions first. Then we need to send arms directly to the 11% of Venetians who want to remain with Italy. Clearly these are our only options besides all-out war with Venice.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:23 | 4583412 Husk-Erzulie
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We'll be needing someone to pillory, a new face of evil for the MSM.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:03 | 4583357 css1971
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Not an expert.

It was an online vote, which are often trivial to hack. So the next step would be to organise an official vote which requires people to put an X in a box on a piece of paper. Much more difficult to hack.

Then, you set up a talking shop (parliament) and a civil service to enact the talking shop's decisions. They could probably just coopt the existing civil service and tell them they no longer report to the national government.

Then you wait for the bombs and tanks.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:11 | 4583212 Hulk
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I declare myself 100% independent and will now pay taxes only to myself !!! I am tired of supporting the poor and crime ridden North, South, East and West !!!

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:15 | 4583237 CH1
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100% morally correct to do.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:18 | 4583245 Soul Glow
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Terrist

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:12 | 4583215 FlyingDutchman
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And that's on top of the lega nord who also want independance. 

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:13 | 4583220 jubber
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This and the Huge showing of the National Front in France, massive protests in Spain the weekend really should start impacting the Euro and the ridiculous low Bond rates in periphery Europe again,...

Italy 10y hit 2.346% last week! Spain 3.291% !!  that's just crazy, ...and I hear Grillo is expected to get huge support in the the coming elections as well.

I think the Europe is fixed mantra may be getting a large spanner in its works in the coming months...

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