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Spanish 'Anti-Austerity' Protesters "Sick Of This System They Call Democracy"
"I'm here to fight for my children's future," exclaims one father as Spaniards rallied in Madrid against poverty and EU-imposed austerity. As Reuters reports, the largely peaceful protest later marred by violent clashes in which police fired rubber bullets. The so-called "Dignity Marches" brought hundreds of thousands to the capital with banners making it clear what their feelings about record 26% unemployment were - "Bread, jobs and housing for everyone" and "Corruption and robbery, Spain's trademark." One protester summed up the people's views of the government, "I'm sick of this system they call democracy... I want things to change."
The so-called "Dignity Marches" brought hundreds of thousands to the capital, according to estimates of Reuters witnesses. Travelling from all over Spain, they were protesting in support of more than 160 different causes, including jobs, housing, health, education and an end to poverty.
...Spaniards rallied in Madrid on Saturday against poverty and EU-imposed austerity in a largely peaceful protest later marred by violent clashes in which police fired rubber bullets.
Some protesters started to throw stones and bottles at the large numbers of riot police present and attacked cashpoints and hoardings. The police fired rubber bullets to disperse them, according to video footage seen by Reuters.
Central government representative Cristina Cifuentes said 19 protesters had been arrested and 50 police officers had been injured, one of them very badly, in the clashes.
Once again the issue is government corruption combined with austerity (or at least slowing growth in spending to be perfectly clear) - a combination that we have discussed numerous times tends to end in social unrest...
A housing bubble burst more than five years ago, forcing a 41-billion euro ($56 billion) bailout of Spain's banks, squeezing homeowners and throwing millions out of work.
The government introduced public sector austerity to whittle down the deficit, provoking widespread anger amongst middle- and low-income families as dozens of cases of corruption in the ruling class are investigated by judges.
The people's feelings were clear as the OECD says the economic crisis has hit Spain's poor harder than in any other country in the euro region.
Banners urged the conservative government not to pay its international debts and to tackle Spain's chronically high unemployment of 26 percent.
"Bread, jobs and housing for everyone", read one banner, "Corruption and robbery, Spain's trademark," said another.
"I'm here to fight for my children's future," said Michael Nadeau, a 44-year-old entrepreneur.
"For those who are in power we're just numbers. They value money more than they value people," he said, shouting to be heard above the din of chanting, whistling and drumming.
"(I'm here because) I'm sick of this system they call democracy," said Jose Luis Arteaga, a 58-year-old teacher whose wage has been cut 20 percent. "I want things to change."
It seems that almost record low bond yields and high stock market levels did not appease the people of Spain either...Time for that IMG income inequality equalizing wealth redsitriburion it would seem...
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"This radical upward redistribution of wealth was not a weather event but a human-created disaster. Segments of the organized 1 percent lobbied politicians and pressed for changes in the rules, rules governing such areas as trade, taxes, workers, and corporations.
In a nutshell: (1) the rules of the economy have been changed to benefit asset owners at the expense of wage earners, and (2) these rule changes have benefited global corporations at the expense of local businesses. There has been a triumph of capital and a betrayal of work.""
More stolen stuff for the 1% you surely mean, I will call you Shirley.
http://www.europeanfinancialreview.com/?p=5035
Thank you. Free shit army indeed.
FSA!!! FSA!!!
I'm fighting for my human right to go to bed at three each night
A 15 year-old single mum but don't call me a welfare bum
Its not my fault I got knocked up, the father doesn't give a fuck
At least not now I've put on weight from alcopops and too much cake
But don't you dare to doubt my rights to housing, booze and Marlboro Lights
My toilet's bust - its getting me down so the council's sending someone round
I am a Sergeant in the Free Shit ArmyFSA!!! FSA!!! Driving in my council van, if something's broken I'm your man
I've got my tools and my Hi-Viz - in all my kit I look the biz
But I don't start 'til half past ten. I go look at the job and then
Sit in the van and drink my tea, text my mates and have a pee
Fill out my time sheet, read the paper, tell the client I'll be back later.
I get sixteen weeks off a year, fuck off to Spain, smoke fags, drink beer,
And moan about those council twats, always wanting this and that
You should get fuckall you yob, get off your arse and get a job
The only thing that's giving me tension is my hard-earned gold-plate pension
But once those big boys in the City fix it I'll be sitting pretty ;o)
I am a Colonel in the Free Shit Army
FSA!!! FSA!!!
Working on the pensions scam, fucking your retirement plans,
I hit the desk around eleven and work right through 'til half past seven
At least that's what I tell the wife - I've never done it in my life
By ten to two I'm in the bar with Cristal and a fat cigar,
A sexy blonde and caviar. A Bentley is my week-day car . You think I'm smart - you must be rambling - all I do is fancy gambling
You have to laugh 'cos win or lose, I get to keep my hard-earned dues
A big fat bonus is my right. I sleep sound in bed at night
Once I've come down off all that coke and finished laughing at the joke
That joke's on you you welfare bums, you council twats and working scum
What makes the whole thing so obscene is I'M THE BIGGEST WELFARE QUEEN!
You pay me millions to do fuck all and while I'm having such a ball
Your pension's going down the shitter but cheer up mate and don't be bitter
When all my gambling comes to now't you fuckers get to bail me out!
But I won't ever go to jail 'cos I'm Too-fucking-Big-To-Fail
And you're too dumb to get the joke - without your handouts I'd be broke !:O)
Long Live the Free Shit Army
FSA!!! FSA!!!
Long Live the Free Shit Army
FSA!!! FSA!!!
This is blowback for creating the FSA.
Get the EU flag out and play the anthem, that will calm these people down. Maybe an appearance from that child molestor EU President, what's his face?
This is what happens when credit stops expanding.
Notice the bankers are being paid.
Austerity is slang for "Fuck you, pay me."
Remember that the nex tine you hear that term.
pods
This empire without her colonies...Long since the apex of Spanish powers centuries ago, Spaniards still think good times can roll without working like the Chinese.
Take away the exploited masses you have bunch of entitle decendents whose largest export is golf carts.
Austerity is reality without government welfare. The truth.
Someone's gagging on the big cock of bullshit here. Spaniards know now, and knew then, that Spain is the ingrate bitch that eats her own brethren. They knew it when they rowed in the Mediterranean (mostly political prisoners) - "Bogan las galeras contra el Turco Suleimán!". They knew it when they ate natives feet and hands. They knew it in the wars in Flandes. They knew it against the French, and almost would have loved Pepe Botella if they weren't so fucking idiotic nationalistic. They hated their country, but hated everyone else a lot more. They knew how ingrate Spain and king was during that May when Madrid rebelled against the French, yet they did it anyway. They knew it in the war in Morocco, when they were massacred at Buru Buru (my great grandfather was there - only 3 survived in his company, the general died from a shot to the head - , my other one flew from Spain to avoid getting conscripted).
Spaniards are extremely proud of their regions, then their country as a whole. But they also hate the country and mistrust it. It's a real paradox, yet happens a lot around the world.
Maybe the Spaniards don't think ol' Franco was so bad now?
Looking at all the big media they are totally ignoring this, more protesters here than Maidan and nothing. Looked at yahoo and google news feeds and NOTHING. Guess its business as usual. Fuck this Kleptocracy in the Western world. Putin should send some high ranking dude to hand out cookies to the protesters and play it up. Actually forget cookies they should hand out entire loaves of bread to show the world how much more the need sustenance in the Euro capitals lol
Also can see these protesters dont have five billion in funding, no militar fatigues, and protective body cladding and bullet proof vests underneath. Heck you can outfit a few divisions with modern military weapons for that much, what the hell did JULAND do with the rest of the money?
media is controlled by the governments who work just like the religion....99% truth, 1% lies or truth untold.
government allowed banks to create real estate bubble, so of course they are going to cover themselves.
but where were all these protesters when bubble was being blown?
Wrong. Spain was a middle age country until Franco died. The only ones who can still have some nostalgia about him are conservative catholics in Galicia.
No, austerity is austerity. What these fucktards are doing is anything but.
In order to get a leadership position in the EU you must molest a child in front of all the current members. It is a requirement. Sorta like some gangs only allow membership after you murder a rival gang member first. Although the EU pedophiles just want to make sure that new members feel comfortable at the dinner parties where children are the main course. Check out Belgium and child torture.
They are evil and not human beings.
There is no creating it. The FSA is all volunteer. People who are genuinely disabled, for example, are not part of the FSA. More likely the FSA is going to end up hurting the genuinely disabled more than anyone else. This illustrates just how vile the FSA really is.
The problem is not the free shyte army, but people like you who have what you have because of the governmnet yet feel you deserve it. The banks and corps have taken trillions more in free shyte than the poor, and a good portion of that went to YOU!!
Of course you mini parasites dont quite get the same vig as the banks and Z iionist!! But if you own a home, have job that past 6 figures and have ANY type of investments than you have taken more from the country than any free shyte member.
2008 should havve created a period were production and labor ruled. That would mean a contraction in all assets by at least 50%. But the FED printed and saved YOUR arz!! Faqing hypocrite.
"But if you own a home, have job that past 6 figures and have ANY type of investments than you have taken more from the country than any free shyte member."
Taken-From-The-Country...now thats interesting.
How does working, saving a little, buying a house with your earnings or investing...take anything FROM the country? Was it the countrys/the governments to begin with...and he stole it by working?
Sad that the host doesn't even know what the real parasite is.
Sure is.
They have a monarch (a hereditary king, by birth/bloodline, a parasite by any normal definition) who gets to select the prime minister, and they have joined that form of governance (parasitical by its very nature) with an even larger blood sucking organism (the EU) and some idiot "on the street" is saying something about "democracy".
My brain isn't large enough to overcome the contradiction of terms...lol.
What about the dual citizens, they have been parasites since time immortal, they should be kicked out of Spain and the rest of the EU.
HEY how come VICTORIA NULAND is not handing out MATZO COOKIES here. Oh by the way did you know Anne Frank loved to bake Cookies also? She also kind of looked like Victoria Nuland when Vicki was younger.
Sometimes Monarchs can have some insight. Frederick the Great on of Europe's greatest statesmen had great foresight...
Frederick wrote in his Testament politique that:
We have too many Jews in the towns. They are needed on the Polish border because in these areas Hebrews alone perform trade. As soon as you get away from the frontier, the Jews become a disadvantage, they form cliques, they deal in contraband and get up to all manner of rascally tricks which are detrimental to Christian burghers and merchants. I have never persecuted anyone from this or any other sect; I think, however, it would be prudent to pay attention, so that their numbers do not increase.
Wrong. Prime ministers are selected through parliament. The king has mostly a decorative function at most. Considering he's drunk driving all the time...
"Was it the countrys/the governments to begin with...and he stole it by working?"
Exactly 100%.
A lot of people walk by false choices & "premises" like that and never spit on them.
I never will ;-)
You, sir, have no place in Obama's America.
And he knows well over half now know it too. Sometimes ya just gotta let those dogs leashed up in the backyard run till the chain snaps tight around their neck.
They learn quicker that way...and never forget it ;-)
"But if you own a home, have job that past 6 figures and have ANY type of investments than you have taken more from the country than any free shyte member."
Yep, this is socialist bullshit. I grew up in the lower middle class, or upper lower class, what have you. I paid my own way through college, decided to get a degree in Engineering instead of the various degrees of worthlessness. Now 20 years of savings and I have a home, investments and *horror* a job that pays six figures, and I've taken from the country? With all due respect, fuck you sir.
As for the Fed saving me, if this is true, why do I agree with you that it should be eliminated? Money printing has done me no good and my investments are in short-term vechicles exactly because I don't believe this Fed-fueled market is real. The Fed is the root cause of most of the financial disasters we've seen the last 30-40 years, good riddance when the country finally figures that out and we return to sound money.
Oh and by the way, I'm not Jewish, in case you were thinking that......and we know that's a big part of your life.
He may be referring to class and the various steps on the ladder. Many middle class people are awakening to truth or 'revolutionary' ideas only because they are now feeling the strains of a failing economy. They are upset at the loss of their standard of living or the fact they have become working class, they live pay to pay, and may lose everything if they are short a week. Many of these people also believe there needs to be a return to 'real capitalism' and an end to 'crony capitalism'.
Unfortunately though, the way cities are set up there simply cannot be millions of people involved in productive work. We know quite well what that looks like in the old drawings of industrial cities. People are consumed by the pollution. Industrial societies require people who do nothing, that's just how it is, much of the labour is unnecessary, it is constructed by a false need. The options for the 'Free Shit Army' is to give them free shit or to let them starve.
However, no one is really producing anything themselves. The US is in some 20 to 100 trillion dollars in debt, depending on what type of economic figures you use, maybe 250 trillion. The world is itself in debt. So the house you have is afforded based on credit set in your favour, that's all. It is unlikely that what the middle class person worked towards to gain their credit has benefitted humanity in anyway, instead they've contributed to management within a system headed towards a cliff. The material you have accumulated is your own share of value that the system deemed you are worth, and much of that value is taken from the future. Not everyone can have an American-size house, a vehicle, or food for two people. While democratic theories of capitalism think that it's just a self-propulsion mechanism there is really waste involved, and frictions that are rarely discussed in the economic texts.
People will react to that negatively no doubt. However, it's not meant to be a judgment against people. That's just how it is. The capitalist system is an abstract form of slavery, nothing more. And if people want to return to a better society these are questions that must be asked. When were we free? Did things go wrong before I think they did? What if the very foundational concepts of freedom are wrong? There are levels to the blue and red pills, and guess what, there's certainly a third pill that's a mixture between the other two. Don't be so certain you're out of the system of the pills yet, as there's always withdrawal to deal with as well.
Sorry pal but history directly contradicts you on this. The people of this country built the nation and the government, not the other way around. People first, country and government second. Get it?
They should immigrate to Venezula and experience a socialist paradise firsthand.
(1) the rules of the economy have been changed to benefit asset owners at the expense of wage earners, and (2) these rule changes have benefited global corporations at the expense of local businesses. There has been a triumph of capital and a betrayal of work.""
"wage earners"? nowaday, the spin doctor change it to "consumers", a cute concept. In this way, the sheeps identify better with the corporations interests. In every strike for improving workers wages or conditions, the msm focus on the consumers interests, dwarfing out the workers interests. v.g., in every airlines workers strikes, BBC focus on passengers rights and incoveniance caused, but little is shown about the causes of the strikes. In australian Qantas case, some of the strikes was due to the outsourcings of mantainance jobs to India hubs (sound familiar?) Even BBC jobs, irony for their workers, are outsourcing to third world journalists (no ofence intended) reducing the opportunity of the locals.
Unfortunately, the masters of universes forgot that consumers without jobs are no longer consumers. This is what happening in USA and Europe. Now those masters just try to abandon the ex-consumers and go to greener pastures.
You make a very good point.
In order to consume we must first be allowed to produce.
If we cannot produce, how can we earn the means to consume?
Well, tell me, how?!?
In the 90s, it could be by tariffs and no free trade outside EU, USA. Now, is too late, our big corporations are out there and technology too, even the capital, golds, etc.
In my humble opinion, the only way are trade war as far as possible, club the big multinationals that need the country political clout to earn money in others turfs, stamp the imigration flux, and copy China sweatshops modus operandis and so on. If China and Russia could rise again from utter poverty and adverse political conditions, why couldnt we (still in better shape)? Unfortunately, no sheeps nor 1% would accept this, because we still are too hubris and it take a generation or 2 to understand that we are not superior nor our system are superior to the others as the msm said..
It take much much time to learn to be humble again. Samantha Power, Susan Rice, David Cameron, Durão Barroso, Bibi or Hillary Clinton are the best contra-example for everyone to learn from how not to threat others humans beings.
And to win back credibility of the system, isnt it good to simulate China, which from time to time take out a big shot politican, giving him a long jail sentence or even death sentence? It could be by vote or quota in Parliament, doesnt matter, what is important is put some big shot from time to time in jail (WS subprime ponzi without criminals sound his own death knell, so the later taper ponzi didnt work). And, by the way, every politicians are criminals in principle, so it would not be afraid of a miscarriage of Justice. And the politican must accept this as a professional risk. USA could begin with McCain, anyway, he is near expire date.
If we cannot produce, how can we earn the means to consume?
Print, baby, PRINT!
Unfortunately, the masters of universes forgot that consumers without jobs are no longer consumers.
Sorry, but you are wrong about that. If you are breathing, you are a "consumer" of some kind. Now-a-daze, if you don't earn your keep, the Gubermint will be happy to give you enough of a stipend so you can eat, shit, watch TV, and (most importantly) vote.
"Between 1983 and 2009, over 40 percent of all wealth gains flowed to the 1 percent and 82 percent of wealth gains went to the top 5 percent. The bottom 60 percent lost wealth over this same period."
Flowed. What exactly does this mean? The assumption here is that something dark and sinister happened, that somehow the rich caused the river of money, which would originally have flowed to the middle and lower class, to the rich. Now if you're claim is that some of the rich, in conjunction with politicans, created subsidies and particular tax policies that favored them, in that I would agree. In my opinion, tax policy should drive a tax rate that is low as possible for all entities, poor, rich, coporations, etc. A simplified flat tax (either via income or consumption) with no deductions should be what we strive for.
But I'm pretty sure that's not what's being advocated above. This is straight up socialist, class-warfare claptrap.
If deliberately taking from the poor and middle classes, present and future, in order to subsidize the 1% is not some form of dark and sinister occurance then would you please describe to us what exactly it would take to rate as dark and sinister?
Edit: Judging by Badger's upvotes, it would appear TPTB's intel public opinion influencers are out in force tonight.
Again, this talk of taking from the poor and middle class. Taking what? And how? Subsidies? If so, you are correct, they should be eliminated. Specific tax breaks for corporations (like Facebook)? Hell no, that should not happen. But we sure as hell had better have low tax rate tables for ALL. But that's not what we're talking about here. You know exactly what you're getting at. You want income and wealth redistribution.
And fuck you all to hell on this TPTB bullshit. No one in my position is for crony capitalism or the rich not making their money honestly. I want true, free market capitalism. When the Goldman Sachs and JP Morgans of the world were saved via TARP, I was against it from the start. That was the true "theft". Saving banks on the taxpayer dime, creating more debt, printing more dollars, was wrong. And it sure as hell wasn't capitalism.
But again, I know EXACTLY where you are coming from. You're the type that wants to take advantage of the situation to stoke up the class warfare angle. You're the modern day Stuart Chase, Rexford Tugwell, et al.. after the Russian boat tour in 1927, telling us of the virtues and accolades of Soviet style socialism. As much as you want to believe it, that's never what this country has been about.
The wage earners should have purchased assets.
Maybe these "wage earners" should have done what Ghandi did and peacefully non complied with that taxation scheme that taxes 50-75% of their wages from the start.
But hey, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE STUFF! So I want the government to steal their stuff NOW!
North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba have the solution, they have reached their utopia, so why not implement their model? Oh right........
They are ahead of us on the road to kakotopia.
kakotopia
a state in which the worst possible conditions exist in government, society, law, etc. Cf. Utopia.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/kakotopia
Exactly. It mystifies me how people have throughout history traded their freedom for a pretense of security then appear surprised when they are robbed of not only their freedom but the fruits of their labor.
What % of taxation constitutes slavery?
Yes, the 1% are the real thieves. But there's a huge free shit army out there as well who in most countries have suffered a lot less of a hit than the productive coping middle classes.
An economy that does not work for most people is an economy that many believe is right and just. Money flows to the hard workers and the lazy fall by the road side. If this was but true. Do not be deluded by todays fake corporate crony banker capitalism. It ain't free market, it ain't competition, it ain't capitalism. It is fucking rigged by political whores owned by the 1%. The game is over, all it is now is wealth stripping. Henry Ford had it right, when men can earn enough to buy, they make good customers and drive business and trade. An army of fucking minimum wage slaves and unemployed can't drive shit, except the drug trade and food banks. Wake Up! This isn't text book capitalism, it is, in fact, the end of free market competition and fair trade. Wake up to reality. Goldman Sachs is not capitalist, they are a criminal operation using political cover to steal. Fuck Sachs. Fuck Washington whore politicians. Wankers and cunts.
Unfortunately, however, this is the contradiction of capitalism. Not every man can be a seller, not every man can be an industrialist. If it comes down to such a system there is everything to sell and no one to buy. The system ends with endless accumulation and waste. Few want to admit it, but what we see today is precisely what capitalism will always look like in the end.
Fuck Nulands Matzo cookies and her baking crew.
To the extent that someone acquires wealth via crony capitalism, yes.
You mean like all the dual-citizens that made sure the last five or so fed chairs were members of the same synagogue in Manhattan
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Statistics can be customized for any outcome you desire.
"It isn’t fair that I have retired in comfort...I am the 1%. I stand with the 99%. Tax me."
Yeah, sure buddy... Who writes this crap? LOL
More propaganda to promote world socialism and spread the poor...
They are looking at democracy as a way for those 1 to 5 percenters to steal what they want via laws and they don't want it anymore. Always remember even in Greece back thousands of years ago they couldn't get democracy right, they ran into essentially the same thing happening now (Oligarchy, kleptocracy etc. etc.). Democracies are few in number and don't last long, and thats because it rots from inside via corruption and the people get sick and tired of it and we are a republic. Benjamin Franklin said you have your republic if you can keep it. And thats because he understood that you have men with their own prejudices, their own biases and it's hard to get them to think of the all.
We are done, and when it collapses we have only us to blame.
Yep laws for you but exceptions for them, just like Feinstein can carry a concealed gun but the people are not allowed. I would love to take that gun off that old bat and stuff it up her V****A, old biatch is probably looser than two star of david flags flapping in the wind ten meters apart
looks like ol' merica's number 1 export is long in the tooth.
Like the phoenix, a man named Barrio Obamanista, rises from the ashes to offer hopio y cambio.
Hopium is a hell of a drug.
“I'm sick of this system they call democracy”
Do not help them to confuse the language, amigo.
You do not live in a democracy or a republic when your life is controlled by technocrats appointed in a foreign country.
You do not live in a capitalist society if prices are manipulated by sanctioned fraud, financial failure is eliminated for a privileged few, capital accumulation by savings is thwarted by official policy and the law does not apply to oligarchs.
Exactly, do not allow the intentional destruction of the language this is capitalism and democracy as practiced by a controlling oligoply with complete control of the press. They should be boiling rope for the IMF amd the ftards who voted in the destructive government policies that put them in this debt. We do not just need to clean out oligarchs but those habitually fooled by them need to have theri FSA cards confiscated. Poll taxes will be required.
Just like old times under Franco.
Franco was more nationalist than the whores pseudo-democrats.
Now, under pseudo-everything, even the king Carlos went to Africa to kill elephants as an honorary president of a Fund to protect wild animals.
Yes Manthong, and someone should tell them that:
1. These very free jobs, meals, housing they seek is what got them there to begin with
2. Those very same jobs, meals, housing are used as a form of control
3. They want this control because it is much easier to control and profit from a few people at the top as opposed trying to control people individually
4. Once they control everything, they bankrupt it and wash, rinse, spin and repeat
5. A couple spin cycles ago Spain was an autonomous country, now they are not.
6. Who knows what will happen after the next spin cycle
Free Jon Stevens Corzine
Democracy is another name for the tyranny of the majority.
Not if that Democracy has been usurped into a JEWTOCRACY
Technocrats and dual citizens names ending in -burg -stein -man -wicz -ohen -thal and so on ad nauseum
"Let them eat flan."
Flan? Please, a little decorum! Let them Eat Quiche !;o)
No let them eat Matzo COOKIES
Europe is saved.
Europe is shocked and awed by Vitoria Nulland distribution of cookies in Maidansquare.
Europe is saved only when they start hanging dual citizen oligarchs in the town square
The want Venezuelan style inflation, product shortages & max pain, apparently.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the Krugmanites, who want to dig deeper to try & get free of their ditches, for their stupidity knows no bounds.
So you support the IMF? Personally, at this point, I'll support anyone taking to the streets. Fuck the bankers, fuck the international corporations, fuck the concentration of wealth. I'll cast my lot with the downtrodden, you go with the bankers.
How do you come to the concusion that he supports the IMF? He is saying these people are pissed but they are just asking for moar free shit. I don't know Europe enough to know if that is the case or these people have a yearning to be productive and rid themselves of the entitlement systerm. My guess is the minute someone important hangs from a lampost there will be a free shit offer they can't refuse. They will take it. The inflation spigot will be turned slightly higher, and their reward will soon be negated, and they will be too stupid to understand they jammed themselves in the ass.
Fucking exactly. This austerity thing is a myth. They are still spending moar and moar each year, while GDP (real) collapses. Just like in the US, spending doesn't grow at quite the pace it was scheduled to, and they call it a 'draconian cut' and 'cruel austerity' and no one calls them on it. Saying you want to grow spending on something, which we will call the "for the children" program, from 15 B a year to 20 B a year, and then only growing it to 18B is not a cut or austerity. So when you are protesting for your children, what you are really saying is you want your govt to borrow and spend moar money they don't have, which, if this farce is still dragging along a decade or two from now, your children will be expected to pay for. Which, since they aren't able to vote yet, amounts to even MOAR taxation without representation.
What isn't a myth is the >50% of adults under 25 out of work, the near 30% overall unemployed, and the facts it's gonna stay that way until those unemployed youth are way to old to ever be employable. So, life on skid row. Can you see why that just might be incendiary?
You almost have it....they want to create and borrow and spend 'currency'....they have no money.
which we will call the "for the children" program,
correction: which we will call the "i'm getting you in debt son, but im doing it because i love you
(i.e. for me)" program....
;-)
there definately not doing it for their kids
The true paradox here is that we have the US government expanding (anti-austerity) running the printing presses hot and AT THE SAME TIME you have Europe going through the austerity procedure therefore contracting and the results are both shitty.
So, what is it then?
I don't think these people want "free shit" handed out to them, but they are starting to notice that you work, work and work even more and you never get ahead in the game. The game is rigged. It doesn't matter anymore if you are the most correct citizen, corporate whore that works 12 hours a day: the game is rigged.
Now, this is what Europeans and Americans are feeling is "unfair". Now go and ask your regular citizen in Bangladesh or in Uganda, how Life is treating them nowadays...
The Pyramid is: THE 1%, Rich Western countries, Rest of the World (because the accusations of the middle-class in the US/EU against the 1% are the same that the poor countries could make against the rich middle-classes in the West).
In order for you and I to have a cheap shirt for 8 Bucks/Euros, some poor Shmuck in Bangladesh has to stitch until his fingers bleed.
Two days ago I've read the headline in one of Germanys most popular(ist) newspapers (shitty MSM like The Sun, but I read it to see the stupidity) BILD: "Our strawberries are becoming more expensive because of rises in wages".
FUCK THEM! OUR? OUR strawberries? They are imported and they where cheap because someone else has to suffer, so that some "middle-class" German can have cheap strawberries during FUCKING WINTER.
There is something really, really wrong with the world. It is the shit piling up: fiat currencies, corruption, elites, military complex (not only in the US), criminal banking systems (the GS, JP Morgans, Barclays) and the explotation of the poor by "the West" (which nowadays includes the East > China).
He can't see the forest for the trees, fonz.
These people in Spain & elsewhere think that 1) they're living through austerity' and 2) austerity is the cause of their problems.
In other words, they're delusional.
They need real austerity if they hope to destroy the parasitic and bloated sectors of their economy (especially government parasites) that are sucking the actual remaining productive (or potentially productive) sectors dry, but they will never get the burn that renews growth so long as the ECB keeps bailing out Spain) and the other PIIGS).
These people can't understand that more debt with more strings attached is precisely why countries such as Greece ultimately have to literally sell the soil beneath their feet (and utilities, roads, bridges, etc.) off to banks and private entities.
These people are EXACTLY like the broke consumer who ultimately finds themselves living on credit card advances and cash donations from relative's until it all comes to an abrupt halt.
They can't adjust to neew realities, and they therefore want to default to "the part," which was unsustainable for good reasons, yet their failure to be able to adapt is precisely what will get them more deeply enslaved, more reliant on others (who don't care about them), less self-sufficient, and giving up whatever shreds of sovereignty they once retained.
spot on!
i would only add banks to the 'parasitic and bloated sectors of their economy'
Yes, the banks are the ultimate tools or the CronyKapitalists - it will even get to a point whereby nations whom otherwise don't want to to further into debt will be given an ultimatum to "borrow or be destroyed in other ways."
This is how real Deep Capture of a nation is accomplished in modern times - get a nation into so much debt that it is literally impossible to be repaid, evenvia hyperinflation - then the nation can be harvested.
This is partially the reason WWII happened, or a big catalyst thereof; Saddle post-WWI Germany with as much debt as possible, to ensure the nation was literally enslaved to the globalist bankers, which gave opportunity for someone like Hitler to come along and tap into the angst & despair of the German People.
sounds far too familiar.
though impossible to be repaid, governments/banks have recently noticed there are still some serfs with savings. bail-ins and myra, bitches!
That is the plan which was put into motion hundreds of years ago. The culmination is unfolding.
Please explain how RealCapitalism works, and how it functions without banks.
Just as an FYI to keep things aligned to the only thing that matters:
Spain oil consumption 1.25ish million bpd.
Spain oil production. 0
That's about $50 billion per year drained. GDP $1 Trillion. 5% drainage
Every
Single
Year
"They need real austerity if they hope to destroy the parasitic and bloated sectors of their economy"
This is the central and fundamental truth and nothing will really change until real austerity happens. yet any party that offers to fire up the printing presses will be returned enthusiastically.
So why does it seem to be more equal in the nordic countries, where the rich are heavily taxed (and earn less) and the wages of servers, clerks seem to be high enough to live on. That is, a more equal society. It seems to work in Norway (thanks to the oil income that the state saves for the country in a much higher percentage than, for example, in Canada where I live). It seems to work in Sweden as well.
I deal with a Spanish electrical company. They seem very competent, hard working, and are one of the largest suppliers of electrical equipment into the wind energy business.
So perhaps it is willfullness on the part of the IMF to suck the blood out of these countries by preying on the gullibility of those who think that there is free stuff. We (they) should all grow up and realise that nothing comes for free. We can choose to vote for a society that is more equal (with higher taxes for the rich and higher minimum wages) or we can want all for us and let the rest starve. It is OUR choice as a society. And luckily more and more are seeing through the bias that $$$ can buy to be able to better make decisions and choose.
And yeah, I do tend to look at life through rose coloured glasses....
simple, less corruption
Being of Greek heritage, and Quebec upbringing, your three words totally nail the problem!
no, no, not corruption, because corruptions are everywhere, from the richest countries to the poorests. Have to draw deeper.
Even Russia or China are rising and they are less corrupted than the West?
For me, the problem nº1 is ourselves, with an uncontrollable hubris.
stress on the word less. government systems are corrupt by nature so we are talking in relative terms.
http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results
northern countries tend to have less corruption. i would say it's cultural thing.
i would love to know if they also take central banking into account in their corruption index calculations. i guess not
northern countries have less corruption in the lower level, but big corporations and high end financials corruptions are very very opaque. Take the example of subprime ponzi devastation there or the Island banks cases. Deutch Banks was the bigest retailer of subprime junks bonds in every Europe Country, DAIMLER N corruptions or ThyssenKrupp are well known even by SEC, but Germany is cleaner than others in transparency.org/cpi2013/results due to less corruption in lower level.
In the end, which damage more and which corruption are more susceptible to every Joe notice?
Siemens...
German deliveries of military equipment to Greece
German deliveries of equipment to Assads regime to build chemical plants
Or maybe Norway has oil.
Simple: Different cultures. You're confusing cause and effect. They have better more productive and fairer societies because of the ppeople, not the other way around.
This City is what it is because our citizens are what they are.
Plato
GB, If only it were that simple are you paid to mouth simplistic solutions to complex problems?
Don't do violence my Spanish brothers, that's the job of the police.
Unfortunately there has to be some level of violence, unless a majority around the world are willing to go on general strike and then hold out passively for at least 6 months not working or contributing to society at all.
The question of violence is of limits, knowing when to redirect it, knowing when to stop it, and how to avoid altogether the justice of the gallows.
ZH crowd will have fun with this one:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/23/us-israel-diplomacy-idUSBREA2M...
so the locals would have some rests from car bombings
So when do we libertarians/ anarcho-capitalists take over a country (preferably warm)? Getting tired of this shit.
I like the idea, but isn't a rallying cry of "anarchists of the world unite!" Kind if an oxymoron?
LOL!
Anarchy is not chaos as most people suspect. Actually the old 'Anarchy is order, government is chaos' is an interesting thought for these times as we see the strategy of controlled chaos by USNATO. Anarchy is simply another form of organisation that avoids the formal organisation of government and economy. It is self-organisation done through informal groups.
(And anarcho-capitalism is not anarchy.)
The EU Brussels Bandits think it's a great form of democracy; austerity for everyone, except them.
50%+1 vote doesn't work (Democracy). Many ancient Greeks tried to warn us. We had a Republic, now we have FSA voting blocs.
Unrelated but I would love to corroborate this one, if nobody else has seen it yet...
Maybe B.S. but an interesting story if it in any way is being used as a "smoke screen" for something else....
Got 9/11?
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Foreign-Ministry-goes-on-strike-all-Israels-embassies-and-consulates-abroad-to-close-346223
The Synagogue of SatanTM (Rev2:9; 3:9) does not need “diplomats” other than for appearances sake. The bulk of the work, and the shekels goes to Mossad, whose motto is "By Way Of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War."
That can only mean one thing, aid for Israel from our Tax money goes up, Yellen will be standing by the printers in Tel Aviv
magic 8 ball says your career as a cinematographer is going the way of Ed Wood.
Or maybe Leni Rifenstahl if you're talented enough to give a dead man a blowjob, heh.
And also real funny : The National Front (right wing, anti-EU party) in France just made major gains in local elections... this could get real fun...
Ukrainians are really missing out!
Doesn't everyone want to be part of the EU?
"I'm here to fight for my children's future," exclaims one father as Spaniards rallied in Madrid against poverty and EU-imposed austerity. As Reuters reports, the largely peaceful protest ..."
Protesting is not fighting.
Fighting begins at physical confrontation when people start getting hurt, and it has to be the right people getting hurt to be effective.
Sadly it won't happen in America.
WTF? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJVtLdLouKU
WTF is right????
Someone got tipped off to something big and it wasn't supposed to be for Goy ears outside Tel Aviv!
This is F-ing major folks!!!!
http://www.israelemb.org/washington/ConsularServices/Pages/consular-services.aspx
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-reduce-energy-crimea-721/
Sure as hell could be, as in the end of the world as we know it. Having said that the Israeli public sector unions are very strong and militant.
They need more sex slaves that or they are behind the Malaysian airline going down or most likely they are ready to make a strike on another country that or if finally dawned on them that nobody likes the Jews
Go fight for Ukraina, son. Damn good rich dirt and lotsa white skin out there.
I promise you, us Jews will be happy to see both sides killed. And I can also say in all honesty we had nothing to do with it. Just a bunch of half mongol slavs eating each other, and was ever thus among you barbarians.
Personally though, bring out the popcorn. Ain't had this much fun since Saddam and the Ayatollah went heads up.
The UK are preparing for summer riots, Boris Johnson has just bought three water cannons.
nahhh, of course it's a Democracy!
We can vote to stop this carnival, but we don't.
Our root problem is, as everywhere, a lack of political culture.
Just some hints on this point:
- Vey often the outcome of scandals is an electoral reinforcement. Yes. We accept corruption as part of the game, and then try to modulate it to "appropiate level".
- In fact, most of us would have done the same things if we had the position. "I have children too". "If I don't, someone else worse than me will do" ... you know...
- Public means Nobody's. Cheating taxes or liabilities are a sign of inteligence, if they dont catch you.
- We accept someone defraud ten million if I can defraud five hundred. We call this "picaresque" (rogueness, guile, wiliness)
- Most people votes a party they hate because there's another one they hate even more. They call this "Usefull voting"
- Most of the excluded youth, and a growing number of awakened want to change the political toxic environment by NOT VOTING. They call this "Active abstention"
- We don't have a word in spanish for "Accountability" or "Entittlement"
We have ideologies based on emotions, attachment to groups, a mix of slogans and cool poses. One in a hundred have ever read a line about anything but e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e have solid rock believings. We use tha same part of our brain for football, religion and politics.
Impunity is the problem, but impunity comes from US.
You said vote...
yes, we can burn all this scum out of charge esay, legal, and paecefully, in a sunday afternoon, just by voting.
Don't vote, it only encourages them.
But they pick the ones who run, you only vote for the chosen candidates
No, there's a "blank" or "White" ballot, that leaves the seat empty in the parlament, negatin that seat to the parties you hate.
If just half the "awakened" used that ballot, more than halve the benches would be empty, blocking the partotocracy system, forcing them to repaet elections.
We have also relevant parties that has never touched power, as UDyD, Ciudadanos.
Another question is why don't we use it and ekeep voting the same piramidal mafia parties.
Democracy: READ THE FUCK'N MANUAL
see that people?
40% didn't vote
30% voted the former thieve
20% voted their local nationalist thieve
10% voted the thieves in charge.
While there's a ballot to stop the music ready, as a big red panic button, they ignore time after time.
Se siente, amigo. Es lo que hay.
you still think inside the system.
talking about a revolution? Come on!
We see 4,5 hours day (average) of TV.
And... it's hard to win aa war when all the men and command would join the enemy if they could. Come on!
And... why a revolution if you can do it smart fast legal and easy?
Please explain.
revolution? i didnt mention it, because i am against revolution, because what could a revolution bring? a new group of human beings in power, and would not change a thing in the long run.
What really need is real Education, not that minister by the system, but by the parents to their children. Read books, think and never thrust anyone that seem very good and kind, but observe his deeds. learn from the others. One thing i learned from the chineses, they never thrust their government and naturally nor our propagada of democracy or human rights or even rule of law, they only thrust themselves, and to a lesser stand their families. In this way, it would be like what Adam Smith defend, a more balance society. the "check and balance" run in a micro-scale of the society.
Libartarian, maybe. Or a classic Liberal (the european meanig of "liberal", not Obama¬co.)
OK. I'm with you. Coinvice others and win elections. Pitty in Europe almost none thinks like that. But there are parties on that line too.
Problem is we vote the same people again and again, ignorig other options. For instance, the "Blank" or "white" ballot that would stop the farce and force to repeat elections until someone with clean hands offers real alternatives. It's avalilable every election sunday but we ignore it and then, two hours later on sunday night, we cry "there's no democracy"
Italy you guys are suffering from a bad case of bankster infestation. You gots to roust them out of your country before they kill you. They won't stop. We know that. Until they are locked up.
DEATH TO THE MONEYCHANGERS.
Press 1 for English.
Does Jose understand the monetary system or is he just asking for help? From my vantage point, Jose is looking for a handout. Another educated flunky teaching children. Yet, he doesn’t understand fiscal responsibility. Sad times we live in.
America needs to invade them now to set up a democracy!
nahhh, of course it's a Democracy!
We can vote to stop this carnival, but we don't.
Our root problem is, as everywhere, a lack of political culture.
- Vey often the outcome of scandals is an electoral reinforcement. Yes. We accept corruption as part of the game, and then try to modulate it to "appropiate level".
- In fact, most of us would have done the same things if we had the position. "I have children too". "If I don't, someone else worse than me will do" ... you know...
- Public means Nobody's. Cheating taxes or liabilities are a sign of inteligence, if they dont catch you.
- We accept someone defraud ten million if I can defraud five hundred. We call this "picaresque" (rogueness, guile, wiliness)
- Most people votes a rotten party they hate because there's another rotten one they hate even more. We call this "smart voting"
- Most of the excluded youth, and a growing number of awakened want to change the political toxic environment by NOT VOTING. They call this "Active abstention"
- We don't have a word in spanish for "Accountability" or "Entittlement"
We have ideologies based on emotions, attachment to groups, a mix of slogans and cool poses. One in a hundred have ever read a line about anything but e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e have solid rock believings. We use tha same part of our brain for football, religion and politics.
Impunity is the problem, but impunity comes from us.
"We use tha same part of our brain for football, religion and politics."
Nailed it!
Maybe Catalonia will leave Spain.
You will see lots more Crimea votes where small regions escape from large countries that are deep in debt.
that's just another carnival to hide the real situation here.
Spanish monarchs have been pillaging their serfdoms for centuries. unless they are willing to go all French revolution on 'em, these idiot 'protestors' (call yourself whatever you want, morons) aren't going to do anything but get themselves beat up. ask the Mexicans and Filipinos how 'protesting' is going for them, considering their heads of state all have spanish surnames. or did everyone forget Spain still has a king? that says it all. as long as they accept their rulers (but we voted for them!!) as legitimate, the status quo will never change.
OMG I just remembered, America now has a king and a Queen. Let them eat low calorie cake.
oh... you must think King of Spain stil wears a crown and gives orders with his throne...
... and you must think figureheads are where all of the power lies. just because they don't wear crowns and and sit on thrones doesn't mean they don't exist or have their own regalia.
Travelling from all over Spain, they were protesting in support of more than 160 different causes, including jobs, housing, health, education and an end to poverty.
Makes you feel like your still in the good old USA. Once the welfare spigot is turned off,we will have our own demonstrations. Many of them will be illegals wanting their free stuff back or they will threathen to go back home instead of voting for Democrats.