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Ukraine Official Warns "Chance Of War With Russia Growing" As Mike Rogers Calls For Sending Weapons To Ukraine
Concurrently with out post on what the odds are of a war between the US and Russia over Ukraine, the House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, and war hawk, appeared on TV this morning saying that the United States ought to provide weapons to the Ukrainian army "so it could defend the country from a Russian invasion." This is the same Mike Rogers who last August did everything in his power to perpetuate the lie that Syrians had used chemical weapons against "rebels" (who subsequently turned out to be mostly Qatari-funded Al Qaeda mercenaries and other Islamic extremists) “There are things that we can do that I think we’re not doing. I don’t think the rhetoric (from Obama administration officials) matches the reality on the ground,” he said.
Seemingly oblivious that all Russia desperately wants is further escalation in the conflict, which can then immediately be seen as a provocation for further incursions into either the Ukraine and/or other former Soviet counteries, Rogers said that, while ruling out the deployment of U.S. military forces in Ukraine, he called for sending small arms and radio equipment that the Ukrainian military could use to “protect and defend themselves. And I think that sends a very clear message."
Absolutely it does: the message it sends is that US foreign policy has just hit rock bottom in terms of game theoretical escalation cluelessness. At least in Syria someone put some effort in fabricating YouTube videos and at least putting together a media campaign demonizing Assad. And still failed.
More from NBC:
Speaking from Tblisi, the capital of Georgia, a country that Russian forces invaded in 2008, Rogers said on NBC’s Meet the Press that the Ukrainians “passionately believe” that Russian President Vladimir Putin “will be on the move again in Ukraine, especially in the east.”
He said both Ukrainian and U.S. intelligence officials “believe that Putin is not done in Ukraine. It is very troubling. He has put all the military units he would need to move into Ukraine on its eastern border and is doing exercises.”
If Putin orders Russian forces into the Baltic nations of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania – which are NATO member states and which the United States is obligated by the NATO treaty to defend -- then “we (will) have allowed people who want to be free, who want to be independent, who want to have self-determination, and we’ve turned our back and walked away from them.”
In an apparent allusion to the seizure of Czechoslovakia which was a prelude to Hitler’s invasion of Poland in 1939, Rogers added, “The world did that once – and it was a major catastrophe.”
The full clip:
And while US neocons are warmongering, Ukraine is all too happy to raise the tension level just a bit more, hoping that NATO will finally intervene and present Putin with at least some hurdle to overrunning all of East Ukraine, using exactly the same template as already show in Crimea. From WSJ:
Ukraine’s top diplomat warned Sunday that the chances of war with Russia “are growing” due to the buildup of Moscow’s forces along his country’s eastern border. In an interview with ABC’s “This Week,” acting Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andrii Deshchytsia said Kiev “is ready to respond” should Russia–which has already seized the Crimea–move further in Ukrainian territory.
“The situation is becoming even more explosive than it was a week ago,” Mr. Deshchytsia said.
He said Ukraine’s first approach to the Russian threat on the frontier would be diplomatic. But, he said, “people are also ready to defend their homeland.”
Meanwhile, Putin is sitting back in his chair and smiling, since everything so far continues to unwind precisely according to his plan.
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What actor does he look like?
Robert Wagner. Don't get on a boat with him.
P.S. Natalie Wood was Russian.
And she was God-awful gorgeous...
The back end of Lassie taking a dump.
Mike Rogers: "Must send more profiteer contracts to MIC and create more debt for the banksters."
Putting aside all other arguments, as long as Obummer is the CIC there will be no coherent foreign policy for enemies or friends or neutrals to count on, though weakness and vacillation will be the main theme.
Obummer's agenda is domestic. It shreds the Constitution while riding the Free Shit Army to perpetual power for himself and his cronies.
The danger is not what you hear from Congress. The danger is the resounding stupidity, venality, and incompetence that is the White House.
Obummer can play the warmonger or the pacifist. It does not matter. He still has an equal chance of of getting us nuked.
This article is very biased. It seeks to blame the USA for Putins takeover of Crimea.
I agree this is not a war anyone should promote or push - but let's not go off the deep end with crap like this.
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Are you mentally retarded?
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The US State department developied and supported a coup against the elected president of Ukraine, (who may well have been a corrupt piece of shit, but he was elected), they installed a neo fascist government partnered with Svoboda who's first act is to remove Russian as an official language despite the fact that it is a majority language in the east, and the national constitution guarantees support for minority languages and specifically mentions Russian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine
Then videos like this start coming out of Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvcPnY0QG7k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKEF5uoU_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5GeBpZ5VHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY
Given that 91% of Crimeans speak Russian as a first language and 2/3 are directly ethnically Russian, add to that the fact that Crimea was historically Russian, and Russia has a Naval base there. Why are you so fucking surprised they walked in when they did? And Why The Fuck can't you see that this was incited by the US State department? At the very least, Nuland and co-conspirators are culpable of turning Ukraine into a fascist state.
A map of ethnic Russian speakers in Ukraine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UkraineNativeLanguagesCensus2001detail...
If Russia move, that's where they will move the border to.
Thanks Nuland and friends for bringing the fucking Nazis to power again in continental Europe.
If Putin orders Russian troops to go into Eastern Ukraine, it will only be because the fascists running the new government in Kiev are creating havoc with Russian speaking people's there. And that seems to be the plan for those wishing to draw NATO into Ukraine.
Americans and Europeans had better wake up to the fact that these neo-con fools are leading us into a direct military conflict with Russia. No way in hell Russia is going to lose a conventional war at its border. In a NATO-Russian fight, either NATO loses, or it starts using nukes. And then the Russians respond with their nukes.
Then you won't have to worry what the market is doing anymore.
Well it could be that or Putin might decide to create some false flag event(s) in order to justify the invasion. It's not like he's never murdered Russian citizens in order to justify a war before. Look up Chechnya. Look at what the great leader did to Grozny. He's no better than than his opponents. All of them should be hung.
You know nothing about Chechnya.
Media dumb you down much?
See this fucking studdering asshole fucked up at the beginning of the interview, he was about to say "it's our highest PRIORITY" then he switched to probability...See we stole back the cargo before the Chinese could get their hands on it and now the Gov can dump that plane, the Malaysians were told not to talk about the diversion to the Western path a week so they can fly that plan to Diego Garcia, take the cargo and ditch the plan in the southern Indian Ocean...
Hey MIT run your high speed video enhanced algo on this interview and show me the heart rate jump when he screwed up at the beginning of the video
MH-370 what we know
1.) The malaysian government has lied everyday, and every minute since the CIA operation started.
2.) The plane dissapeared at 1:22am, but MALAY didn't trigger the system until 7:48am, meaning that they waited until the plane LANDED at Diego-Garcia, before the plane was ever announced as missing.
3.) Even now almost 3 weeks later the MALAY gubmint refuses to release the 'manifest' so nobody actually knows what was on the plane.
4.) 20 Freescale Semiconductor folk 'missng', 13 were malay, and 7 were chinese, they were going to CHINA to sell their technology to the chinese, this same technology OBAMA had approved to be the "CHIPinASS" for every citizen under OBAMA-CARE. The ULTIMATE tracking chip that never goes away or dies.
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Lastly, why does ZH tell us to ignore this advent (M370) which has already triggered WW3, yet they fill us with bitcoin shit every fuckign day forever. This will be a bigger advent than 911, or JFK, in history, and ZH (AIPAC) refuses to even allow it to be discussed on OP-POSTS, well except for Charles-Smith (AIPAC) bullshit.
After reading the article and comments,
Show your face down voter, explain why Mike Rodgers shouldnt take him, his kids, Barry Soterero, his kids, Mcain, his kids, etc etc etc.
You expect us to send not just us, but our kids into YOUR wars??
Go fuck each and every one of you war mongering cunts.
Come on down voter, debate me, I will prove beyond doubt you should be strung up and shot.
Filthy fucking cunts, all you war mongering cunts that expect us peons to die on your behalf. I will fight all of you bastards before I fight any fucker from a different land.
The entire 'vote thing' here is an adolescent circle-jerk, if voting here meant anything, then it would be banned.
But your right, the down-voters will never debate you because even they know they can only WIN the debate with MORONS.
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Age old story, "LET he who first calls for war, send his children first to die",...
I hate to be repetitive, but that's not our problem.
USA is a colony, that has two purposes. ( Since 1910, but actually earlier )
1.) Infinite FIAT to TEL-AVIV (trillons out fed backdoor )
2.) Merc US-MIL army (CIA/NSA/*.mil/*.gov)
Given that AIPAC can order the US-MIL anywhere on earth to destroy all, with no loss of life in TEL-AVIV, means that this will never end, toss in INFINITE FIAT, and you have the world most perfected "PUPPY GRINDER".
EatCorn Been to Poland you don't know WTF you are talking about. Poland is awake.
Mike Rogers is a douche of the highest bought and paid for order. Still, there is no reason no to sell weapons to the Ukrainians. Better they can deter invasion than have us get sucked into it. Of course, the weapons would be sold on credit would would make it necessary to get involved in order to ensure the country remains in existence until they can pay (or keep buying) back those loans. Lose-Lose.
Even better to let Brussels, Berlin, Paris, or London sell them weapons. Then it is not our problem in any way.
Or, maybe for the right price we can throw Mr. Rogers into the deal. As in, here are the guns but you have to take and keep this steaming pile of Rogers.
Sorry to all of the people with the last name Rogers. It is now synonymous with shit.
I suggest we send Ukraine Mike Rogers for cannon fodder once the people of Michigan show this Neo-Con Insane Coho Lipped proponnet of everyones death but his own the door in the next election. This guy has far too much time on his hands and I think he needs a real job, like sweeping streets or stacking shelves or something where his sociopathic mind doesn't have an opportunity to work.
The pasty-faced creep (reminds me of Karl Rove) ought to be busting rocks, while a German Shepherd on a short leash snarls and slobbers in his face.
"...more further invaded than it already is..." (we must stop him from setting the house on fire more than it already is)
I'd like to present without any commentary the geographical and geopolitical raw analysis of Russia today as it was before its collaspse on Dec. 26,1991.
Ref: "Germany 1937 ?"
Why? This is how it all began with the partition of Germany and it's satellite nations, at the Potsdam Conference!
http://www.worldology.com/Europe/cold_war.htm scroll to Cherynobyl Disaster and Local Nationalism
http://www.worldology.com/Europe/europe_history_md.htm
Bonus: *Data ~ Sept/2010
<1919- 1939> <1939- 1945> <1945- 1989> <1989- now>*
Bonus Map: http://www.sunnycv.com/steve/20th/polandmap1.html 1945---------2001 POLAND
Putin is not a Stalin
jmo
The Founding Fathers feared only one thing--the likes of Mike Rogers.
A republic, if you can keep it.
Maybe Ukrainians should send combat weapons to Detroit.
You're doing a great job in your own fucking back yard, Mike. You are the senator of America's Mogadishu.
Dear Mr Rogers, your check is in the mail - AIPAC
in other news:
Israel closes embassies around the world as diplomats strikehttp://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/23/uk-israel-diplomacy-idUKBREA2M0EY20140323
“we (will) have allowed people who want to be free, who want to be independent, who want to have self-determination, and we’ve turned our back and walked away from them.”
Perhaps he was talking about those helicopters on the roof of the USA embassy in Saigon?
More to the point, can't we have a little honesty about who is being subjugated? It is doubtless that the vast majority of people in Crimea want to be part of Russia as opposed to being part of Ukraine. Whereas in Europe more and more people are becoming aware of the great EU takeover that is being perpetrated on people, the vast majority of whom do not want to be part of the EU, but seem to be being taken over by red tape, bogus referendums and self interested politicians. The people of Crimea have got what they want. Many of us in Europe have got what we don't want. And can't work out how to get out of the fix we're in.
Anyone find it curious that Stephen Harper stood side by side with Yatsenyuk yelling about a new Global Resolution Force, and now today there is a Guardian article promoting the same thing?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/23/peace-makers-war-co...
If you're curious you will notice a book she co-authored entitled 'Fog of Peace' that was released during the Olympics and co-authored by a former UN official who is also affiliated with GDP Associates.
From the book description:
"Presenting a unique combination of psychological theories, geopolitical realities and first-hand peace-making experience, this book sheds new light on some of the worst conflicts in the modern world and demonstrates, above all, how empathy can often be far more persuasive than the most fearsome weapons."
The authors:
Gabrielle Rifkind is the Director of the Middle East programme at Oxford Research Group. She is a group analyst and specialist in conflict resolution immersed in the politics of the Middle East. Rifkind combines in-depth political and psychological expertise with many years' experience in promoting serious analysis and discreet dialogues with groups behind the scenes.
Giandomenico Picco served for over two decades as a UN official. Among his work, he led the UN efforts which brought about the release of many of the Western hostages from Lebanon and the agreement which ended the Iran Iraq war. He has been a consultant in the private sector as Chairman of GDP Associates, a USA based company. He has published articles and co-authored books on matters related to the larger Middle East, among other subjects.
I don't think they are going to bring the amount of people along as they think. Cable News Liar Networks have falling audience levels, some in free fall. Everyone under 70 uses computers and other internet devices to get news. Five minutes on line can give proof of the lairs in Main Stream Media. It is even reported that Main Stream Media is home to around 500 CIA operatives of compromised journalists on the take from tax payers. Of course the usual stay at home war mongers will scream for war. Cowardly cunts that they are. Yet, I talked to some neighbors this week and felt out their thoughts on another war. No interest at all! None. Zero. Some even got mad just hearing about Washington starting another war.
These politicians live off of us taxpyers like my pet cat lives off of me. They have become so corrupted by corporate billions that they will do anything to keep the trillions in wepons spending flowing. CNN had several Washnington whores screaming for increased arms production and a boost in military numbers.
WHat has happened is NATO has taken Ukraine, now they are deaperate to hold all of it. Losing Sevastopol has put them in panic mode, as the USN was all set to stage a fleet their. And Crimea would host a whole range of missile systems. Now Putin beat them to it and they are out for blood.
Russia has wisely produced a military document of intent that states. "Any foreign force that enters Russian territory and can not be turned back by Russian convetional arms will be subject to a first stike tactical nuclear attack 'on Russian soil'." This is officail defense doctrine, and Iskander Mobile Surface to Surface Missile Systems are equipped with a nuclear warhead option. So, all you heros, go in and conquer Russia, have fun you radioactive dust particles.
Oh look. Yet another facscist.
How does one typically rid the world of fascists like Mike?
Rogers is owned by the luciferians...pro NSA spying, anti-constitution, pro other peoples' wars...he's trying so hard to get the employee of the month award
Roger's is OWNED by AIPAC
AIPAC is pissed, they sent in their advance team to run Ukraine, and they didn't receive the flowers and pussy that they were promised.
Yep, MOAR FIAT to UKRAINE, which means 10% get's to UKRAINE and 90% is passed through TEL-AVIV mafia.
Rogers is a 'tool', of ZIO-NEO-CON, he's not a 'made man' like Cass Sunstein, just a fucking tool, like ButtPlug-Barry.
it sounds like this cunt is following the brookings and chatham house line.
sending weapons A
and like syria training up local nazis with mossad,cia and mi6 help.
just like syria
REALLY
REALLY
the idea that putin will allow a blackwater style group to deconstruct crimea or take the fight into russia smacks of desperation.
the libya,syria,iraq year zero through low level cia frank kitson style operations approach has the potential to be a futile suicide mission.
companies like britam defence,aegis,g4s and all the other fucking blackwater mercenerie private companies are in for a rough old ride.
no doubt they will rely mainly on eastern european merceneries or 30 dollars a day kiev nazis
and as for mossad snipers no doubt putin has some might fine counter sniper sniper teams.
When the people of Ukraine realize that the US/nato sponsored neo-nationalists uprising and coup de revolt 'has to go', and begins to polarize with Russia, it will most likely turn to more or less, 'a battle of the bulge'. The airspace domination over Ukraine is going to be the pivotal as the geo-political events unfold on the ground.
"Belarusian President Aleksandr Lukashenko has stated that his country accepts that Crimea is now de-facto a part of Russia". “We agree with the Russian Federation on that,” the leader said.
http://rt.com/news/belarus-crimea-part-russia-657/
"The "news" site Zero Hedge has gathered a community fund, and will be sending House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, a war hawk, to the Ukraine armed with a M249 and 10,000 5.56 mm rounds. Additionally, Mike will be armed with a Colt .380 Mustang, 20 days of freeze dried food, fatigue paint and water filtration drinking straw." The ZH community was exuberant that finally someone had the balls to start off on their own, and set the stage for WWIII.
"We all want to thank Mr. Rogers, well you know, for going over to the Ruskie's neighborhood and backing up words with ACTION", said an admiring reader of the tin foil wearing conspiracy theory believing web site. Tylor Durden, the site editor added "Mike has put down his $300 of personal burial money, and is ready for the fight”, and added “however, if Mr. Roger’s is caught we will deny all association with him and confirm we never sent him on the mission in the first place; come on seriously, were a bunch of nut jobs, no one would believe we pull off such a caper!!”
Good luck Mikey, wishing you the best…
I have posted this more than once but apparently a lot of Republicans hate this evil CS'er Mike Rogers.
Here is former US attorney, Joseph DiGenova, talking about how Rogers is blocking the Benghazi investigation and how other Republicans are getting angry about it. Joe DiGenova is absolutely furious about Rogers and said he will not let up. He really loathes the guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEHFuiXnVJU
http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-210314.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Others/Escobar.html
blowing 50 billion on the Olympics only to then blow 60 billion in market cap off the Micex and then spend billions of hard currency to defend your ruble sure doesn't sound like a good plan to me.
What doesn't get reported here is that Russia is no longer a creditor nation.
Obviously "a debtor nation that decides to start invading its neighbors for no reason" is great news for Wall Street. So if there is a plan at all and "everything is going according to it" it would appear to be theirs.
You're right DV...it's only about money
Mike Rogers is my Representative in Congress...
...and...a lying, war-mongering, establishment asshole.
Did you call him to tell him NO.
You forgot to mention his strong support for the NSA. He appears to think George Orwell was writing how to manuals.
The US world geopolitical standing is deteriorating fast.
Ukraine today is Poland back in September 1939. Nobody expected a big WWII. Even Hitler did not think so but Stalin was doing everything in his power to start a big war. Zionist NWO rulers are playing now the Stalin game provoking both Russia and China to a major world military confrontation with the West.
But the West is not in a position for a major military confrontation. Zionist banking oligarchy has destroyed the West economic and cultural foundation that allowed it to dominate world affairs for the last three centuries.
Up to date, the Obama administration has blinked already twice. First in Iran/Syria and now in Ukraine. Mobster Putin (like Hitler in 1939) will continue his poker game pushing forward and Obama will continue playing his Chamberlain game.
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"Chess Traps, Pitfalls and Swindles, How to set them and How to Avoid them", Fireside Books, I.A. Horowitz and Fred Reinfeld (no ISBN, it's an old book)
I agree Mike. Hey, get mike a helmet and a gun and send his warmongering chickenhawk FAT ASS over there.
yay, lets just get involved in everyother conflict around the globe. Central Africa, Congo, Syria, Darfur etc....
Fucking Idiots the congressmen, one and all!
To quote Danny McBride, this congress kritter is a perfect example of "Textbook twattage".