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30 Survey Results That Sound False But Are Actually True

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

You will be shocked at what some Americans actually believe. 

For example, close to 90 percent of us believe that we are eating a healthy diet, and yet more than third of the population is officially obese.  65 percent of all Americans say that they are dissatisfied with the government, and yet nearly a third of us would be willing to submit to a "TSA body cavity search" in order to get on an airplane. 

As you will see below, Americans are angrier and more frustrated with government and with their lives than ever before, but we also exhibit almost unbelievable levels of sloth and apathy.  Some of the numbers below are quite funny, and others are absolutely stunning.  But they all say something about who we have become as a nation. 

The following are 30 survey results that sound false but that are actually true...

#1 According to a recent Rasmussen Reports survey, 52 percent of Americans "do not think the economy is fair to those willing to work hard".

#2 70 percent of all Americans do not "feel engaged or inspired at their jobs".

#3 According to another recent Rasmussen Reports survey, 59 percent of Americans believe that "less government involvement in the economy" would help reduce the size of the income gap in this country.  (And those 59 percent are actually correct.)

#4 20 percent of all government workers and 26 percent of all Obama supporters consider the Tea Party to be "the biggest terror threat" that America is facing.

#5 Approximately 30 percent of all American workers have $1,000 or less saved up for retirement.

#6 A worldwide survey conducted by the Worldwide Independent Network and Gallup found that 24 percent of people around the world consider the United States to be the biggest threat to peace.  Pakistan was in second place with just 8 percent.

#7 60 percent of Americans report feeling "angry or irritable".  Two years ago that number was at 50 percent.

#8 36 percent of Americans admit that they have yelled at a customer service agent during the past year.

#9 29 percent of Americans believe that "cloud computing" involves an actual cloud.

#10 A survey of employers that currently pay minimum wage to at least some of their employees found that 38 percent of them would start laying off employees if the minimum wage was raised.

#11 One survey found that 56 percent of Americans believe that it is okay for the government to track "the telephone records of millions of Americans" in order to keep us safe.

#12 When George W. Bush was president, 61 percent of Democrats considered NSA surveillance to be "unacceptable", but now that Obama is in the White House, only 34 percent of them consider it to be "unacceptable".

#13 67 percent of Americans support the use of unmanned drones in "homeland security missions" inside the United States.

#14 One survey found that 51 percent of all Americans agree with this statement: "it is necessary to give up some civil liberties in order to make the country safe from terrorism."

#15 Close to one-third of all Americans would be willing to submit to a "TSA body cavity search" in order to fly.

#16 65 percent of Americans are dissatisfied "with the U.S. system of government and its effectiveness".  That is the highest level of dissatisfaction that Gallup has ever recorded.

#17 Only 8 percent of Americans believe that Congress is doing a "good" or "excellent" job.

#18 70 percent of Americans do not have confidence that the federal government will "make progress on the important problems and issues facing the country in 2014".

#19 According to a survey conducted by the National Geographic Society, only 37 percent of all Americans in the 18 to 24-year-old age range can find the nation of Iraq on a map.

#20 Close to 25 percent of all Americans do not know that the United States declared independence from Great Britain.

#21 Right now, 29 percent of all Americans under the age of 35 are living with their parents.

#22 According to one survey, 24 percent of all U.S. teens that have a sexually-transmitted disease say that they still have unprotected sex.

#23 Approximately one out of every five teenage girls in the United States actually wants to be a teenage mother.

#24 The percentage of Americans that "believe there are signs that aliens have visited Earth" is actually higher than the percentage of Americans that believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

#25 According to one recent survey, only 35 percent of all Americans say that they are better off financially than they were a year ago.

#26 It is hard to believe, but 56 percent of all Americans are considered to have "subprime credit" at this point.

#27 89.7 percent of all Americans believe that they are eating a healthy diet.  Meanwhile, approximately 36 percent of all Americans are obese.

#28 44 percent of all Americans do not have a first-aid kit in their homes.

#29 48 percent of all Americans do not have any emergency supplies stored up at all.

#30 53 percent of all Americans do not even have a 3 day supply of nonperishable food and water in their homes.  What will they do when a major crisis or emergency strikes?  Do they actually believe that the government will swoop in to save them if something happens?


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Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:00 | 4588231 prains
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You will be shocked at what some Americans actually believe. 


I thought it was they were #1 and that's all that mattered

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:04 | 4588243 GetZeeGold
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My head just exploded....if you find a piece.....please mail it to me.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:09 | 4588264 prains
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ground, air or bitcoin?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:21 | 4588310 Manthong
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We are surrounded by a horde of complete One Delta Ten Tango’s.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:26 | 4588327 jwoop66
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Aliens just snatched a plane out of the sky!!   Its been on the news for weeks!   Duh!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:44 | 4588396 Four chan
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why have the masses always been incurably ignorant?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:22 | 4588582 The Dunce
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Tits and ass, bitches.  Tits and ass.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:33 | 4588781 boogerbently
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I'm SO sick of #2.

More nanny state, everyone gets a trophy BS.

It's not your jobs JOB to "inspire and engage" you.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:03 | 4588843 James_Cole
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77 percent of all Americans “believe there are signs that aliens have visited Earth”, and according to a recent Harris poll only 68 percent of all Americans believe that Jesus is God or the Son of God. 

Now that's some funny shit right there, only ~32% of the population is sane (at best)?

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:44 | 4588918 Bollixed
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Certainly not the latter...

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 04:00 | 4589119 BringOnTheAsteroid
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I thought this was at least a step in the right direction. There is at least a small probability that aliens actually exist.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:15 | 4588874 Againstthelie
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And I'm sick if the stupidity of the people.

The whole democracy-thesis that the majority was always right, is a lie. Invented by legacy-hunters that tell their mentally handicapped victim how intelligent and clever it was.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:23 | 4588585 Yes_Questions
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Anunnaki manipulated DNA.



Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:13 | 4588738 cynicalskeptic
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why have the masses always been incurably ignorant?


.....because stupid people breed without thinking......  they do pretty much EVERYTHING without thinking....  

Therefore you have a LOT more stupid people than intelligent ones (and those running things prefer it that way - it's far easier to manipulate and control stupid people than smart people).


Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:58 | 4588830 jeff montanye
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part of it is when the president can say things like "I believe ultimately that by working together, China and the United States can help strengthen international law and respect for the sovereignty of nations and establish the kind of rules internationally that allow all peoples to thrive," and not as a joke.

no one coughs and says "tibet" or "iraq" or "afghanistan".

well the u.s. installed government of afghanistan said this: Citing “the free will of the Crimean people,” the office of President Hamid Karzai said, “we respect the decision the people of Crimea took through a recent referendum that considers Crimea as part of the Russian Federation.”

so that's at least a little funny.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 04:46 | 4589146 StychoKiller
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Hmm, so Idiocracy is truly a documentary, then?  Whocouldanode?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:03 | 4588487 DeadFred
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I heard it was raptured

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:13 | 4588740 GeorgeHayduke
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If so, that means all those pious christians who thought their cars would be "unmanned" after the rapture are still here with the post-rapture rabble. What a fitting outcome.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:54 | 4588824 post turtle saver
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it takes a lot of stupid people to maintain mass delusion

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 07:46 | 4589312 Tall Tom
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You poor confused soul.


There was this man who was driving and his tire went flat. He pulled up on the side of the road to change out the tire for a spare. He parked right next to an irrigation ditch filled with water. Beyond the ditch uphill there was an Eight Foot high Chain Liknk Fence topped with a Barbed Wire Barrier. He was parked right next to the State Hospital for the Mentally Deranged. There was an inmate at the fence who was watching him.


So the man opens his trunk, pulls out the Spare Tire, the Jack, and the lug nut wrench. After jacking up the car he pops the Hubcap and removes the lug nuts, carefully placing the lug nuts into the Hubcap so they can easily be retrieved. He pulls the flat tire off of the car and walks over to put it into the trunk in the place where the spare tire had been.


But in doing so he accidentally kicks the hubcap, with all of the lugnuts, into the filled irrigation ditch which sank rapidly to the bottom.


Now just imagine yourself in that situation. How would you feel? Pissed? Well he was. Pacing back and forth and kicking at the ground he was in a quandry.


Then the Crazy Man yelled at him through the fence. The crazy man said, "Sir. I can help you."


Knowing that he had parked next to the State Mental Hospital the Driver exclaimed, "You?!? You can help me? You are a fucking nut. You are locked up in that Hospital. There is nothing that you can do to help me you worthless piece of shit!!! What a fucking nut!!! Just what in the hell can a fucking nut like you do to help me?!?"


The nut calmly responded, "If I were you I would take off one lug nut from all of the other tires and use them to mount your spare tire. Then I'd drive into town and get my tire repaired and buy some lug nuts. You know? Sir? I may be crazy but I am not fucking stupid."


Just who was crazy?

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 10:54 | 4589967 post turtle saver
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there is no God, your story proves nothing

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 11:32 | 4590144 Tall Tom
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Even if I presented the Probability Mathematics you would not understand. You cannot understand Math.


Few solved my problem below.


Nobody has even told me what a Logarithim is. Nobody has diffentiated Principle with respect to time in the Principle-Interest Rate- Time Problem published below.


You, as one of my favorite atheists has defined, are merely subnuman if you cannot understand Math and you are not worthy of my time if you cannot.


(An innumerate on a Financial Blog...What is next???)

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:55 | 4588828 MontgomeryScott
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BUT... BUT...

With GOOGLE GLASS and embedded electronics, my car will soon REALLY be unmanned, as it drives itself down the highway! I'll be sitting in the back seat, snorting whatever, and playing with whomever, as my car hurtles through space and time towards my destination, and i will give my rememberance to my weird belief that I will get to watch as 'all those others' are burned and judged, as I sit comfortably looking down at humanity as it dies.

Wait, baby... yeah, that feels good. that feels REALLY good! You'd better stop, now...

(here it comes)

Oh, GOD!

(How did THAT feel?)

I felt like I died and went to Heaven, baby... (she smiles up at me, taking her index finger and flicking it up at her mouth, wiping my love off of her face)

Meanwhile, my GOOGLE car keeps driving along, no one in the front seat, as I trust it to bring us to our destination... unmanned, and the front seats empty...

Pre, Post, Mid? My mind still reels, as my lover gently dresses me in the back seat, and I make a mental note to donate another 'seed-offering' to the current replacement-theologist of the day. Which experience was 'better' for me? I still can't decide, as I relive all the moments from erection to stimulation to ejaculation, and decide that the moments afterward, here with my sweet lover who is now looking at me quizically, are perhaps better than believing in a god which takes some for no apparent reason, and kills others without trial or consideration.

I reach up, and pull down the telescreen, and cancel the payment to Joel Osteen... as I realize that I too was misled...

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:52 | 4588436 A Nanny Moose
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1 in 10 believe HTML is an STD

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:16 | 4588542 Rusty Shorts
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STD is an HTML, 10 in 1

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:36 | 4588359 Keyser
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Another few generations and the sheeple will willfully accept cranial implants at birth, believing it to be for the ultimate good of society. 

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:49 | 4588672 TheReplacement
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Aren't you the optimist...  It'll happen in less than 10 years.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:05 | 4588714 GeorgeHayduke
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Actually it seems that their craniums are already their rectums. For outcasts like me it's been apparent for quite some time. Polls just confirm the obvious.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:39 | 4588371 zorba THE GREEK
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50% of Americans want to stick their penises in the other 50% of Americans.

That statistic overrides all other statistics.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:09 | 4588515 Vampyroteuthis ...
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50% of Americans want to stick their penises in the other 50% of Americans.

Unless you are in San Francisco and that number drops significantly.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:36 | 4588787 boogerbently
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84% of ALL statistics are completely made up.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:50 | 4588815 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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32% of people believe 84% of ALL statistics are completely made up.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:06 | 4588851 Pool Shark
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All generalizations are false: including this one...


Tue, 03/25/2014 - 07:44 | 4589317 Gazooks
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no sharks in pools

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 07:46 | 4589320 countryboy42
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4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 12:45 | 4590493 EricArthurBlair
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“I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself”

? Winston Churchill

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 08:42 | 4589470 chapaev's ghost
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In San Francisco, 50% want to stick their penises in 84%.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:47 | 4588415 edotabin
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"My head just exploded....if you find a piece.....please mail it to me."


This just in: 92% of American believe a piece of your head will actually be found


Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:39 | 4588789 401K of Dooom
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My head exploded when Obama was reelected.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 04:49 | 4589150 StychoKiller
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That wasn't really that shocking, given that the other "choice" was the Romneylan.

Was was shocking was Justice Roberts applying pretzel-logic to Obamacare.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 10:06 | 4589775 detached.amusement
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indeed, facepalming, you have got to be fkn kidding me, our country really doesnt even have one legitimate branch of government shocking...

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:03 | 4588242 The Gooch
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#31 The ones that do are terrrrrists!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:01 | 4588477 ILLILLILLI
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#32 Israel must be allowed to do whatever it wants because they are The Chosen People, and if we don't, Jesus won't return to the world.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:04 | 4588244 LetThemEatRand
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American exceptionalismTM

TM:   Oligarchs.  Dumbing down the population since 1913, and making them damn proud of it.   

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 04:51 | 4589152 StychoKiller
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"When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of
sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that
they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save
the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and
whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted,
the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost... All the odds are on
the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can
most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency
tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward
a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will
reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a
downright moron." -- H.L. Mencken, Baltimore Sun, 1920

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:04 | 4588247 all-priced-in
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More than half of all Americans have below average intelligence.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:07 | 4588252 LetThemEatRand
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IQ has little to do with it.  Propaganda works well even on very intelligent people.  Especially when they are motivated by their own sense of superiority.  Example:  Ayn Rand.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:31 | 4588346 john39
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Orwell thought that the only hope was with the working class... as the professional class would be too attached to the perks the system affords them.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:46 | 4588406 Stares straight...
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Clearly, you have a mastery of math.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 08:45 | 4589482 chapaev's ghost
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Clearly, you have a mastery of humor.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:54 | 4588448 A Nanny Moose
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More poison well fallacy. Give it up, or come up with one rational argument against any one of the ideas which Rand articulated.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:04 | 4588483 LetThemEatRand
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Rand believed -- as did her co-author Greenspan -- that the middle class is irrelevant to the success of the elite.  She saw the working class, who do not own factories, as slave-labor in the making.  She was the architect of trickle down economics.  It doesn't work for anyone but those at the top.  Perhaps you fancy yourself one of those.  If you are, then fuck you.  If you are not, then you are an idiot.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 01:29 | 4588975 ILLILLILLI
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Actually, she believed something other than that. She believed that a person should live for their own sake, not others. She didn't believe that the workers should be exploited, in any manner, as that would be inconsistent with her basic philosophy.

Of course your take on her views is far more 'PC' and feeds the common rhetoric, but it is inaccurate as to her true views.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 10:08 | 4589784 shovelhead
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Actually LTER has never read Rand. Huff Po said she was greedy and selfish and that's good enough.

It's just a hobby horse for him to ride.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 10:25 | 4589873 detached.amusement
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------Rand believed -- as did her co-author Greenspan -- that the middle class is irrelevant to the success of the elite.  She saw the working class, who do not own factories, as slave-labor in the making.  She was the architect of trickle down economics.----------


really, she invented financialization?  I missed that one.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:05 | 4588499 Calmyourself
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LTER finds Rand selfish yet when questioned will not raise employee pay as they do not contribute as much as her...

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:21 | 4588510 LetThemEatRand
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You know what's funny about Ayn Rand, is that she embarked on her pure narcissism crusade because her dad lost his business to fascists.  He owned a small business that sold things built by others, but her entire philosophy revolves around the idea that only those who make things have any real worth.  And she wrote books, smoked cigs, and pontificated about the relative lack of worth of people who built nothing.  Like herself.  And she gave voice to fascist oligarchs who have used her books to convince millions that they should have -- everything.  

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:34 | 4588623 Calmyourself
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In other words the entire fucking thing went right over your pretty little head..  Sometimes ideas are big things LTER but if the people that elucidate them are mean or don't act like you their ideas are bad..  That ladies and gentleman if half the problem with America dumbed down and unable to juggle and juxtapose ideas until clarity occurs.

Let us know when your employees unionize and you leave NOTHING to your heirs meat puppet..

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:48 | 4588652 LetThemEatRand
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So how about answering a single thing I said?

Was Rand or was Rand not the daughter of a small business owner who lost his business selling things built by others, to fascists?

Did Rand ever build a product?

Did Rand preach that only those who build products have any real value in her desired society?

Did Rand believe that working people have independent worth if they did not elevate themselves to the builder class of which Rand did not belong?

Did Rand and Greenspan co-write?

Oh, and somewhat offtopic, what major industry do you captain and do even have any employees?

Is the Randaid grape or stawberry?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:54 | 4588689 TheReplacement
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Which of Rand's points of theory are wrong and why?

I don't give a hole in your head why you don't personally like Rand. 

Can you say what is wrong with her ideas, not her person?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:58 | 4588693 LetThemEatRand
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Greenspan was Rand in a position of power.  And if you have to divorce yourself from her person to believe her ideas, and you need to ignore that Greenspan co-wrote with her and attribute that to an aberration, ask youself why you are so willing to suspend logic for the sake of ideology.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:50 | 4588817 malek
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To which lengths do you want to go, to evade bringing up a single idea she had and refuting it by Scientific Method?

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:02 | 4588836 LetThemEatRand
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I just laid out several questions, none of which have been answered by the "prove me wrong I read a Zionist book and I don't know it" crowd. 

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:03 | 4588844 malek
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You conveniently forgot to mention that none of your questions had anything to do with her ideas, but only with her person.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:08 | 4588859 LetThemEatRand
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So you follow the philosophy of someone you cannot defend?

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:12 | 4588866 malek
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I evaluate ideas completely independent from the person who proposed them.

I gave you that example before, but it hasn't stuck it seems:
Because of the person that wrote down the concept of "The Big Lie" are you unable to accept it as compelling or even valid?


Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:14 | 4588873 LetThemEatRand
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So you suspend belief and care not of the credibility of the author for their ideology.  Think about that and how you would respond to anyone else who said that.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:23 | 4588890 malek
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Belief has no place in thoroughly evaluating ideas, so nothing to suspend there.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:26 | 4588892 LetThemEatRand
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Since we are suspending belief, how goes the business you own?  Make any products lately?  Build any railroads?  Tell me about them.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 01:07 | 4588951 malek
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Fascinating how you dance around the elephant! Have you even ever read a Ayn Rand book? Tell me about it.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:09 | 4588728 Calmyourself
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You have failed to answer substantial questions at this site for years those foo;ish quasi-statements will not entice me into answering for anothers life choices its the ideas you fool not the person..  Again onto rand as a personality it is all you can focus on as the ideas on money, government and freedom are unassailable.  LTER's pattern for thsoe of you not here for years is say some smart middle of the road stuff build some credibility and then go on the pro-government anti-freedom jags..    


Your right it is off topic I would never give a bot like you or your handlers any more information than my IP offers.




Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:14 | 4588742 LetThemEatRand
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Do you have subtitles I can use to understand your post?

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 08:51 | 4589503 Calmyourself
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You certainly need them but I will not be supplying them.  You have been taken to task again for your foolish immature take on Rands personality traits while unable to analyze any of her ideas.  I would happily argue the merits but you sadly seem incapable instead you delve after my personal details in order to have some talking points, sad really..

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 01:34 | 4588984 ILLILLILLI
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He doesn't have any workers...he grinds all the axes by himself.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 12:03 | 4590325 Saro
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"wrote books"
"built nothing" 

Which is it?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:54 | 4588687 kellycriterion
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#31 A majority of Americans Believe old lefties are masters of clever repartee and make insightful comments.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:58 | 4588700 RaceToTheBottom
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LetthemeatRand, this is one post I agree very much on.... Especially the Rand/Rant point.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 02:10 | 4589033 holgerdanske
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Errrrh, what??

Define average, please.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 04:20 | 4589127 saulysw
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Actually, I think if you want half the population on both sides of a result then you are talking about the MEDIAN, not the MEAN (or "Average"). Doesn't quite roll off the tounge though.

Definition ahoy!

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 08:54 | 4589519 Grouchy Marx
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Compared on an international basis, your statement is strictly true. While funny, it is sadly true.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:05 | 4588249 derek_vineyard
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1/3 rd of people will willingly submit to a body cavity search at any time

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:16 | 4588746 cynicalskeptic
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Proving that 1/3 of the people are destined for Serfdom.  

What else can you say about those that are ambivilent about being anally probed - they don't care and probably don't even realize when they're getting screwed.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:47 | 4588924 NemoDeNovo
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Proving that the Gay Agenda has convinced 1/3 of the pop that it is "normal" - lulz

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:08 | 4588250 Son of Captain Nemo
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#11 One survey found that 56 percent of Americans believe that it is okay for the government to track "the telephone records of millions of Americans" in order to keep us safe.

#12 When George W. Bush was president, 61 percent of Democrats considered NSA surveillance to be "unacceptable", but now that Obama is in the White House, only 34 percent of them consider it to be "unacceptable".

#13 67 percent of Americans support the use of unmanned drones in "homeland security missions" inside the United States.

If those three are accurate?...

Might as well take a poll to find out if Americans think it's productive for domestic as well as Federal law enforcement to use torture in order to "save lives" and if 50% say that it is productive and should be used then... Call it a day!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:25 | 4588596 jez
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#11 One survey found that 56 percent of Americans believe that it is okay for the government to track "the telephone records of millions of Americans" in order to keep us safe.


Evidently they would all have disagreed with Ben Franklin, who (from memory) wrote that "those who would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither."

I have another one:

#31 In survey after survey, around 45% of Americans say they believe that the Earth and the rest of the universe is only a few thousand years old, and was made in six days by an old man in the sky.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:01 | 4588697 TheReplacement
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How is some people believing in just that harmful to you or your ability to excercise your right to be a douchebag?  Let me rephrase that.  How is someone's belief in God harmful to the country?  Give some examples of US Presidents causing harm in the name of their religion.  Give an example of wars fought in or for this country for a religion.

Edit:  It occurs to me that the socialists in charge hate religion, specifically Christianity.  Could you be one of them or working for them? 

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:50 | 4588931 NemoDeNovo
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Um let's see.....


We are over fighting whom in the ME again, oh yeah Al-CIA-Duh and they are muslims, now we are not on a "Crusade"

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 04:26 | 4589129 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Because it's silly. Because god botherers can't keep their beliefs to themselves and try to infect as many other people with their beliefs, including children, as they can.

Didn't that fucktard G W Bush invade Iraq because the great grey bearded invisible sky man tell him to. I often wondered if was possible to categorically prove one way or another if a god exists or existed and the answer is no, what would happen to theists. Be a fascinating experiment in human behaviour. Would it result in mass pandemonium or calm indifference?

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 11:53 | 4590275 Tall Tom
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I have presented the argument to YOU before.


But you do not understand MATH.


Why the duplicity?

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 08:53 | 4589517 Grouchy Marx
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I don't see how anyone's belief in the age of the Earth will affect any decision they make, whereas most of the other items in the article could affect decision-making. I would wager that most people don't care how old the earth is, because the answer is strictly academic - it doesn't affect their life one way or another, unless they are looking for funding from the National Science Foundation (which, BTW, won't fund research into things it doesn't believe in, so it does tend to make some research self-fulfilling, such as regarding man-made global warming).

For the record, I believe in an old earth - even older than Nancy Pelosi.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:06 | 4588251 JustPrintMoreDuh
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I feel sick

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:40 | 4588376 A Lunatic
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You probably just need some chicken nuggets.........

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:51 | 4588935 NemoDeNovo
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No way dude....


He needs a Subway Sandwich and a bowl of Fruity Pebbles, with some GMO Milk

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:07 | 4588255 insanelysane
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Democrats believe that the IRS did not target Tea Party groups even though the story broke when the IRS admitted at a press conference that they targeted Tea Party groups.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:08 | 4588260 LetThemEatRand
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Republicans believe that their Team is different.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:11 | 4588267 prains
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different in a high waisted pant kinda way

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:29 | 4588341 jwoop66
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repubs will probably get their chance to use the irs in november.  Maybe...maybe... then the deniers will care.  Eather way, we're all fucked.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:57 | 4588459 A Nanny Moose
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Nope. The reason I know this to be the case is...

Where are all the fucking war protestors, now that The 0'Bamabot is in charge? We are still starting wars in other where are they?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:17 | 4588552 Yes_Questions
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Licking their wounds, but not usurped by team blue


or red


Tue, 03/25/2014 - 06:31 | 4589218 GetZeeGold
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Republicans believe that their Team is different.


I'm conservative and I hate the damn republicans.......defund the GOP!!!

As far as the liberal progressives go.....clean up your own damn mess.....I'm a little busy.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 08:42 | 4589469 Grouchy Marx
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The war protesters during the Nam days were largely children of affluent people who didn't want to be drafted. Now that we rely only on the rural, poor, patriotic (what's left of it), and foreigner communities to fill the ranks, nobody cares. A large number of infantry are foreign born and are promised citizenship if they serve. Like Rome did during its decline.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:07 | 4588256 Mr Poopra
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I am absolutely terrified.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:08 | 4588292 prains
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the zombies haven't started biting yet so the spread of infection is minimal, once the lights go out and everyones bitcoin account is null and void, it's game on zombiekong!!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:07 | 4588257 Cannon Fodder
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The article criticizes the public for apathy, as if there is something we can do about a lot of this.

Honestly I am at the point where I think the only thing that will solve this is literally taking up arms... and of course I'm not willing to be the first to try it.

Voting doesn't do any good, it's all rigged.

Protesting doesn't do any good, heck most of the time you get arrested for it.

Trying to educate your neighbor? They just view you as a conspiracy theorist.

So until a critical mass actually wakes up on their own accord and takes up weapons and storms a Feb center or two, nothing will change.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:12 | 4588272 Osmium
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Maybe a few stupid fkrs will get droned.  That might do it.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:14 | 4588280 Uncle Sugar
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Just waiting for the great reset.  No point trying to educate the idiocracy.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:07 | 4588506 Yes_Questions
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This train will crash, can't stop it now.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:29 | 4588336 RafterManFMJ
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Nah, taking up the arms won't do it.

All the cops KNOW where their bread is buttered and they will murder/rob/gut you to protect  their paymasters - the politicians and big industrialists.

True story, cops EVOLVED from the enforcers in company coal towns.

All the Army types will machine gun you in the street, 'cause it's fun and pew pew pew; ever meet an ex-mil type who got busy on the yellows and browns and regretted all the mayhem they participated in? Me neither. To admit they were dupes and killers for the banking masters simply will not happen. What percentage has the intellectual balls and character to do so? 3 percent or less.

So taking up arms is just a way to get yourself killed and your property stolen.

Prepare for the day the above isn't true, and pull your horns in until then.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:31 | 4588348 jwoop66
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easy targets(cops) if you think about it.  God bless the 2nd Amendment.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:47 | 4588417 Miffed Microbio...
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You speak as a soldier,picking your battles wisely and knowing when it's not smart to fight in a burning building. He speaks as a civilian pumped up on ideology. His avatar is apt.


Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:23 | 4588583 Professorlocknload
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“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

Sun Tzu

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:30 | 4588613 Cannon Fodder
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If you were referring to me as a civilian pumped up on ideology... nope... I have spent done more than one rotation in combat zones.... I just think nothing will reset without something drastic happening.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 01:04 | 4588948 NemoDeNovo
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You paint with a Broad Brush my friend........

I regret deeply the years I spent in the sandbox during the Gulf War, I am barely getting to a point where I can personally deal with the things I have seen and done.  It is hell to live with the knowledge that not one door I kicked off the hinges, not one family I pulled from their home at gunpoint made ANYONE over here any 'safer'.  That I was tricked into beLIeving all the lies and Patriotic BULLSHIT Flag waving nonsense about serving "my" country.  I am alive today because of a 'browns' person who did not know my name, and knew I/we were there to kill them, and took pity/mercy on me when I was left for dead by army brass.  So Fuck All your generalzatrion[s] about 'soldiers', you don't know Shit.  What has helped is I have recently found a group of people whom feel the way I do, and have been treated the same way or worse by their branch of service.

So beLIeve what you may but do so at your own peril.


De Opressor Liber

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 19:31 | 4592198 MeelionDollerBogus
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those cops don't make their own bullets nor food. Cut them off from food, funding and bullets and make sure they feel their families aer safe somewhere else and they'll leave.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 07:15 | 4589266 Tall Tom
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When the masses go hungry then they will awaken.

There is not anything which will drive them other than that of unrelinquished thirst or hunger.


Of course you can apply the techniques taught in the movie, "Fight Club".


(My apologies Mr. Durden, sir. I know that we are not to discuss Fight Club or ask about Project Mayhem.)

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:09 | 4588262 insanelysane
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Americans believe that tobacco smoking should be banned because it is a health issue but believe that marijuana smoking should be legalized because it is about freedom.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:12 | 4588273 LetThemEatRand
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Which American pot advocates can you point to who want to ban tobacco?  

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:23 | 4588313 insanelysane
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Come to Massachusetts where there are thousands.  The average Mass voter is able compartmentalize these issues as being completely different.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:35 | 4588627 LetThemEatRand
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The interwebs are a vast repository of people's opinions.  Show me one single person who has any audience who advocates what you attribute to "Americans," or is your comment based on what some guy said in a bar?  There are plenty of stupid people in the world.  Including those who generalize based on what they heard in a bar.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 06:37 | 4589224 GetZeeGold
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Which American pot advocates can you point to who want to ban tobacco?


Not sure....but I can show you a lot of people that want to ban E-cigarettes. Because they can't figure out a way to tax it...and I guess they're good with people dieing.

It's not about caring about human's more about control.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:51 | 4588429 besnook
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actually the argument behind the legalization of marijuana is the health issue. it is healthy to ingest. tobacco suffers from a pr issue. the industry should have paid a bunch of research medical doctors to publish some good stuff about tobacco so i wouldn't have to chew the end of an unlit cigar when i am out and about because i am forced to cater to group rights over individual rights.


Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:17 | 4588555 fasTTcar
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I was in a coffee shop in Amsterdam enjoying the offerings a few years back, but had to go out on the sidewalk to have a cigarette. 

It will end up with legal weed or illegal tobacco.  My bet is that they will lean towards taxing the crap out of both.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:09 | 4588263 Inbetween is pain
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Nearly half of Americans belief the earth and universe are only 5000 years old.  The Bible tells me, so it must be true.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:14 | 4588277 LetThemEatRand
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And all they need to do is look at Nancy Pelosi and know it's not true.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:27 | 4588331 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yow!  + 5000

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:57 | 4588421 Tall Tom
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Nearly half of Americans do not comprehend the concept of allegory.


Not everything written in the Bible is the literal Truth. But the Bible is the absolute Truth. Of course even some atheists have a difficulty with this as they are also not able to understand the allegorical. They erroneously believe the allegorical is literal. Thus they attempt to use that in vain arguments.


The Empirical Evidence suggests that the Earth is somewhere between 3.5 Billion to 4.5 Billion Years old. The Empirical Evidence suggests that the Universe is 12 Billion to 15 Billion Years Old.


(Personally I believe the Universe to be much older as I have a different understanding of the observed data. I can demonstrate that because 98% of the Matter is "Dark" that the Universe has aged far more than what the conteporary Cosmologists believe. Entropy predicts that in time that all matter will become Dark as it loses Energy to entropy. My estimate is that the Universe is roughly 25 Billion to 40 Billion Years Old.)


But what the question comes down to is very simple. Was the Universe a "Chance Manifestation" or a "Designed Manifestation"? If it was a result of Design then there must be a Desigener. The Mathematics of Probability demonstrate this.


Dr. Roger Penrose, Cambridge University, demonstrate that the odds of a "Chance Manifestation" approach that of an infinitesimal and are trillions upon trillions orders of magnitude less than the Engineering Definition of an absurdity if manifested in that manner. (Penrose is not as widely known for his work WITH Stephen Hawking on Black Holes but was a Major Contributor. Because of disability Hawking gets the limelight while a brain remains in the shadows.)


But many atheists are not just challenged by the understanding of allegorical writing but are also challenged by the concepts of basic Calculus.


So it is meaningless to engage them in debate.


So what I want from you, before I continue, is an answer.


Since this is a Financial Website...


This equation is well known in Finance. It is taught at every single Business school in the United States. It is the Principle-Interest-Time Equation. (I know a few degreed in Business Administration.)


P = (1 + r)t

It is an Exponential Function.


Solve the Equation for 't'.


This is taught in High School Algebra II. It is not that demanding.


NO HELP FROM THE REST OF YOU PLEASE. Do not publish the answer. Let him demonstrate exactly what he knows about Math.


Then we can discuss what dP/dt is. Afterwards we can discuss Probability.


One of my favorite atheists (actually brilliant) Robert Heinlein said, "Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not make messes in the house"


Math is the basis for RATIONAL THOUGHT. Are you better than a tolerable subhuman?


Solve my problem. 


He opened the can of worms. He deserves this.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:59 | 4588470 ebworthen
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Agree with you about Penrose versus Hawking.

Math is a pain in the ass.  I can listen to music or look at nature to experience it.  I don't really want to see the guts, I want to enjoy the Woman.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:20 | 4588570 Tall Tom
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I agree. I do love wonderful women.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 07:02 | 4589254 withglee
Tue, 03/25/2014 - 09:25 | 4589616 Son of Captain Nemo
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Jesus H Fucking Christ!

Pardon me

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 16:34 | 4591604 Tall Tom
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We are doomed.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:05 | 4588500 Taint Boil
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P is the principal, R is the annual rate of interest, and A is the amount after T years

So says this atheist… go find some fossils in your driveway (put there by the devil to trick you). JFC



Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:11 | 4588527 Yes_Questions
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Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:23 | 4588584 Taint Boil
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In? In the reply box I typed it in.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:30 | 4588616 Yes_Questions
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don't tell Tom, he'll think I'm helping.



Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:52 | 4588661 Taint Boil
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Texas Instruments got rid of the log books a long time ago LOL

I never knew they were into wood back then.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:30 | 4588612 Tall Tom
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It can be logx



Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:35 | 4588630 Yes_Questions
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The problem really is t itself.


Subjective and wholly made of man.


Reliable for the time being but we gotta get on with meeting the maker.


Just saw Contact this weekend for the first time in a LONG time...


Can't help but think how chasing money, getting a career and all that is like that chair in the device..\

Thanks for reminding me where I came from.



Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:43 | 4588655 Tall Tom
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Man...I love that story...(I also read the book.)



It does not matter about the base of the log as the ratio will remain the same. But why is the answer a Log Function?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:59 | 4588701 Tall Tom
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I was taught Special Relativity by one of Sagan's Grad Students. (He did a much better job than my Professors. In one night I learned more about Relativity and Dimensionality than I did in an entire semester.)


Carl Sagan was one brilliant communicator.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:08 | 4588723 Yes_Questions
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+ billions and billions



Mon, 03/24/2014 - 22:21 | 4588577 Tall Tom
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Solve the equation for 't'

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:46 | 4588807 AlaricBalth
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"It was my understanding that there would be no math." From the Saturday Night Live sketch with Chevy Chase

logP/[log(1+r)] = t

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 06:40 | 4589202 Tall Tom
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Good. Why is it a logarithmic function?


What is dP/dt ?

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 07:14 | 4589264 withglee
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P=(1+r)^t; log(P) = t * log(1+r); t = log(P)/log (1+r);

dP/dt is  the incremental change of P divided by the incremental change of t (i.e. the slope of the P vs t curve).

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 09:42 | 4589685 Tall Tom
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Evaluate dP/dt...


What does it equal?


(It is the rate of change of the Principle with respect to the Time Period.)


What is the Mathematical Expression?


On top of that, and most importantly, just what IS a Logarithm?


(High School Algebra revisited...)

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 11:37 | 4590170 withglee
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When you have a properly managed Medium of Exchange, dP/dt is zero until a payment is made. Then it is an "impulse" equal to the payment. If interest is being collected, this impulse is reduced by the amount of interest applied.

A logarithm is a domain change allowing you to do multiplication and division by addition and subtraction. Exponentiation is accomplished by multiplication in the logarithmic domain. Returning to original domain means exponentiation of the logarithmic base (usually 10 or e) by the result.

We have been conditioned to pay interest. In actuality, interest collections from responsible traders should be zero. Responsible traders don't default so interest collections are unnecessary (actually deflationary if they exceed amounts defaulted).

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 07:19 | 4589244 withglee
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Solve  for r. "r" for our economy since 1913 is about 4%. The managers of our Medium of Exchange (MOE) ... the Fed think it should be 2%. But knowing with a properly managed MOE where INFLATION of the MOE is zero, that "r" is also zero, solve for P (Hint: when "r" is 0, "t" doesn't matter ... P is 1). That's why we need a properly managed MOE.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 10:05 | 4589752 Tall Tom
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r =  10(logP)/t   - 1


Since log P = t log( 1 + r ) then


log (1+ r) = (log P)/t


So 10log(1 + r) = 10(log P)/t


Then it follows that


1+ r = 10(log P)/t


Solving for r yields


r = 10(log P)/t - 1


Of course this is also a solution as I could choose any logarithmic base...


r = e(ln P)/t  -  1


Isn't Algebra fun???


Let's do some Calculus...



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