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Guess Which Precious Metal Is Controlled By The Russians

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Submitted by Tim Staermose of Sovereign Man blog,

Palladium is like the Rodney Dangerfield of precious metals. It never gets any respect.

If you ask someone about precious metals, in fact, just about everyone has heard of gold and silver. And occasionally platinum.

But palladium is one of those obscure precious metals that few people think about, or even know about.

Aside from actually having its own currency code (XPD), palladium is widely used in a variety of industrial applications, from spark plugs to catalytic converters to hydrocarbon ‘cracking’ to electronic components.

And here’s something most people don’t know: most of the world’s palladium is mined in Russia.

Since October 2013, Palladium prices have had a moderate boost—about a 5.3% increase in five months.

But given what’s happening in Russia, prices could soar. In fact, with trade sanctions looming, palladium could be taken off the world market indefinitely.

As the following chart shows, palladium has just broken out to a new 52-week high and is showing strong upward momentum.

1 year palladium Guess which precious metal is controlled by the Russians...

Moreover, if you look at the 5-year chart, it could be about to break out to even longer-term highs.

5 year palladium Guess which precious metal is controlled by the Russians...

I would consider buying palladium today, with a stop-loss order to protect your capital, at $759. That means if the market should prove this thesis wrong, the loss would be limited to just 4%.

I think the near-term upside target is the 5-year high of $855. That’s about an 8% gain from where we are today.

An upside of 8% versus a downside of 4% makes palladium a good risk/reward trade, given that the odds of the higher-price outcome are much better than the odds of the lower-price outcome.

But if tensions between the West and Russia escalate and trade sanctions stay in place for a prolonged period, $855 could be a very conservative upside target for palladium.

The last time Russia withheld palladium supplies from world markets back in 2000, the price rose 151% from a low of $433 in January 2000 to over $1,090 an ounce by January 2001.

In a scenario like that, palladium would be an incredibly profitable trade.

One easy way to take a position in palladium is via the ETFS Physical Palladium Shares (PALL on the New York Stock Exchange).

A new physical palladium ETF sponsored by Standard Bank has also just launched in South Africa.

And Absa Bank, which already sponsors the world’s largest platinum-backed ETF, has also announced it will launch a palladium ETF called NewPalladium. It will list on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange on March 27th.

These new palladium ETF launches, coming at a time of tightening supply due to Russian sanctions, could easily add more upward momentum to palladium prices, as they will withdraw supply from the market to physically back their shares.

However, if you want to avoid the possibility of any counterparty risk, there’s no substitute for owning the physical metal yourself.

The Royal Canadian Mint has in the past minted palladium versions of its very popular and instantly recognizable Maple Leaf bullion coins.

You can also buy 1 troy ounce palladium bars from most major dealers.


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Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:44 | 4585387 dow jones 20000
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I'll stick with gold, silver, brass, and lead thank you very much.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:48 | 4585399 Pladizow
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It is the launch of these ETF that will hinder a rise - a tool of banker manipulation!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:03 | 4585466 SoilMyselfRotten
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The Russians have a lot of nerve controlling a precious metal. Time for NATO to send them some depleted uranium.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:12 | 4585498 DoChenRollingBearing
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Palladium is an interesting metal.  It is impervious to all gases except hydrogen, so it could be used in certain kinds of electric cars now being looked into (fuel cells).  In can also hold 900 times its volume of hydrogen. 

It is unique, yet not that expensive.  A little hard to find though (hint: think Canadian Pd Maples).  But, highly recommeded as a small diversification/investment if you can get some.

Disclosure; The Central Bank of DoChenRollingBearing has a small amount of reserves of Pd.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:02 | 4585732 lakecity55
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The real super metal is.....Rhodium, DCRB!

I am going to acquire an ounce of it and see what it looks like.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:06 | 4585753 prains
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no, the super metal is bonestars mellon, you can wack that bucket with a 2x6 and all it does is make a ping sound.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:19 | 4585810 lakecity55
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Check this one out, but I cannot find any vendors:


But, if we could hibernate, we could wake up in 200 years when H Beam Piper discovers Collapsium!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 14:16 | 4586352 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ruthenium and Rhenium ("near platinum metals") will find use in newer airplane engine turbine blades (using them as parts of the alloys so they can run hotter).  If you can buy and wait (perhaps a long time), you might do well.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 19:49 | 4587960 MeelionDollerBogus
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Given the future cost of fuel & benefits of war I think they'd be in missiles or drones more than passenger/freight craft.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 19:50 | 4587962 MeelionDollerBogus
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I read that sci-fi series - fun reading.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:45 | 4585960 Panafrican Funk...
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Well, this entirely explains the huge delivery notice bump in palladium.

This is about 54% of the total registered stock of palladium. 

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:10 | 4585776 BandGap
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It has the unique gift of overcoming Vander Waal's forces intersticially when absorbing hydrogen, which is why it is used in cold fusion experiements.   This property also allows for hydrogen storage since the molecule can be "packed" within the metal matrix itself and not just on the surface. Finally, this is why it is a good hydrogenation catalyst, although typically less selective than the softer platinum type.

And it's a pretty cool metal.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:22 | 4585854 lakecity55
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DCRB, what metals are mined in Peru?

You might have some buying opportunities you are not aware of!! Like going to the mine itself.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 15:32 | 4586278 DoChenRollingBearing
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Been trying to go to Peru´s only real gold refinery, but they don´t accept fringe bloggers as visitors.

I will soon finish my series of metals mining in Peru at my blog.  Gold was done a couple of days ago.  Today, I have finished copper, and will do the rest as long as my wife lets me finish...




"Gold and Other Metals Production in Peru" is first, then "Mines and Metals in Peru":


Mon, 03/24/2014 - 20:10 | 4588056 MeelionDollerBogus
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Is it? If it's overloaded with carbon-monoxide will it stop working as a catalyst? That's what I read.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:13 | 4585514 johny2
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the chance that it will trigger the stop loss before profit is about 2/1

if you want to gamble, at least give yourself a good chance.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:07 | 4585759 BorisTheBlade
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Russia will return this loan in kind in the form of concentrated plutonium with supplementary deiterium and tritium.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:27 | 4585883 lakecity55
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Time for Vlad and the ChiCom Leader to go on TV holding a pallet of USTs and hold them hostage.

"The BB game is starting, Reggie, hurry!"
"Awright---What???? What is happening to the signal??"
"Good evening, Bath House. We have seized your ESPN feed. Look closely at this pallet (close-up camera zooms in)."
Bath House: "*Gulp!*"
"That's right. Vlad and I are holding these Treasuries hostage! These are our demands......."

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 20:09 | 4588051 MeelionDollerBogus
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Russia's well stocked up on uranium, depleted & enriched, so they can return the favour very quickly.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:49 | 4585681 fonestar
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I'll stick with gold, silver, brass, and lead thank you very much.

That's the spirit.  Don't investigate other alternative investments and always remember to keep a closed mind.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:10 | 4585782 BandGap
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I invest in people. And you're my new buddy.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:22 | 4585851 fonestar
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Okay good!  And yes, people, friends and associates are the best investments.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:52 | 4585987 Panafrican Funk...
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One good example of this that I'm shocked more ZH'ers don't pick up on, given our proclivity for consumption of this fine substance:


Think about wheat and corn prices, and food/beverage price inflation more generally.  Think about how long it lasts.  Think about what it could get you in a SHTF scenario.  Consider how aging can actually increase the value of the product in some circumstances.  If you aren't stockpiling liquor, you are missing out on a seriously great opportunity.  Consider especially shooters/fifths from a divisibility perspective. 

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 16:09 | 4586912 Miffed Microbio...
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Your post made me laugh. We were at a friend's house for dinner and he was bemoaning the fact he had nothing for retirement saved up and was facing he was going to work until he dropped in his "damn" vineyard. At least we had a steady income and had invested in 40IKs.My husband and I( after cleaning off our projectile wine hurl off his walls) told him he was far richer than we could ever hope to be. He has 56 barrels of exquisite Syrah, Petite Syrah and Cab. 50 acres dry farmed with 20 sheep just to keep the weeds down. A fantastic industrial well. Chickens and a veggie garden. Great neighbors like us that have always had his back no matter what came down ( we had helped him save his house and life during a wild fire).

It's funny how some perceive wealth. He viewed us as wealthy when we consider ourselves wage slaves. His friendship is worth more to me then any of our professional collegues. They certainly would be no help in a SHTF scenario.


Mon, 03/24/2014 - 21:32 | 4588351 StychoKiller
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I've brewed mead in the past.  New 50gal wine barrels run about $500/bbl.

Wish I could brew enough mead to fill up a 50gal bbl.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 06:51 | 4589236 samcontrol
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you are all talk...
why don,t you trade lives.

25 + year old scotch is a good way to go.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 19:54 | 4587983 MeelionDollerBogus
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bourbon, vodka, etc., have had their mention along with tobacco.
Not frequently but your point is valid. I usually add morphine to the mix for suggestions since it has no real expiry date, unlike conventional antibiotics & is much more useful than just plain aspirin, for consumption/injury or barter.
Silver itself is an antibiotic so under money/useful it's covered. Just make sure you have the means (batteries, clean water) to make colloidal silver for infusing silver into bandages.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 19:53 | 4587981 MeelionDollerBogus
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an "open" mind to invest in things that go to zero will bankrupt a person, like bitcoin.
Not smart.
The markets are heavily rigged so that which is intangible should be shunned 99% of the time.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:48 | 4585394 lolmao500
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ALL Ukrainian military posts, stations and outposts in Crimea are now fully under Russian control. It is just under a couple of hundred military facilities. The last one has just been handed over to Russia peacefully.

All Ukrainians soldiers in Crimea are under Russian control and will be kicked out within 48 hours... After that, Putin can move on to the main prize... Current NATO estimates is that Russia can take Kiev within 10 hours of war breaking out.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:50 | 4585405 ebworthen
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I would wager that is what the troops and tanks massing on the border are for.

I don't see any designs on the Baltic States, but reclaiming the Ukraine, yes.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:01 | 4585427 dow jones 20000
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Russian control over the entirety of Ukraine in the short therm is central to Putin & Friends' goal of increased hegemony in Eastern (and by extension, Western) Europe.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:08 | 4585483 ebworthen
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Less than a century ago Russia lost over 20 Million soldiers and civilian Men, Women, and Children repelling invaders from Germany so it is understandable that they are sensitive about their Western border and the EU Brussels Bandits.

If you want to speak of hegemony in Europe in the past 100 years point the finger at Germany.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:56 | 4585701 ParkAveFlasher
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I wouldn't count out Russia to not attempt new annexations.  They have set a well-defended southern perimeter from Georgia to the Dardenelles and can now move northward and westward behind this screen.  No one noticed the Georgian incursion when it happened.

It's been very quiet since. 

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:56 | 4585432 SSN715
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While the Chessmaster is plotting his next move, Obammy is out on the golf course.  Could seem to care less.  As if he either doesn't understand, or doesn't care.  It's madness.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:26 | 4585583 lakecity55
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"Help, Reggie! This sandtrap is made of quicksand! Get Help! I'm going down the wrong way!"

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:56 | 4585433 SSN715
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While the Chessmaster is plotting his next move, Obammy is out on the golf course.  Could seem to care less.  As if he either doesn't understand, or doesn't care.  It's madness.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:05 | 4585476 Flakmeister
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So exactly what should he do? What would make you happy?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:40 | 4585650 Dr. Engali
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Fire a damn nuke at the rooskies!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:18 | 4586089 N2OJoe
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Get on that one way trip to Mars.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:18 | 4586091 Flakmeister
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The intellectual bankruptcy of most posters here is clearly on display when a very simple question is junked...

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:23 | 4586103 Dr. Engali
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There is a lot of truth in that statement.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:13 | 4585516 Buckaroo Banzai
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I mean, it's almost like Obama and Putin are on the same side, or something.

"I will have more flexibility after the election." -- Barack Hussein Obama

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 17:20 | 4587282 NihilistZero
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Now take a moment and think before you answer...


Do any of you really think Obama has any real say in the foreign policy decsions of this country?

Sure he drops the last signature, but only after the course was charted by others and he shook his head "yes".

I lov epicking on Obammy as much as the next guy, but he's not calling the shots any more than Bush Jr was.  GWB just BELIEVED so much it masked the fact that the ideas were spoon fed to him as well.

Puppet rulers all since Kennedy...

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 19:16 | 4587827 MeelionDollerBogus
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Did Shrub Jr. really believe? I'd say his comical grin & tripping over his words were his lack of poker-face at so obviously not being in charge, absolutely flabbergasted anyone else could believe he was calling the shots because he sure as hell knew he wasn't.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 23:59 | 4588834 NihilistZero
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Good point.   Never gave him credit for possibly playing the fool as opposed to just being one...

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:22 | 4585567 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Someone's gonna miss those Panzer divisions ...

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:47 | 4585400 ebworthen
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Give the E.P.A. ten more years and Palladium will be at $20K per ounce.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:47 | 4585401 Acidtest Dummy
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Good for cold fusion research also, but only if you have physical.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:56 | 4585423 Cognitive Dissonance
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I received some of those new blue 100's at the bank Friday and several were stuck together. Is that the cold fusion you're talking about? :)

<It certainly brings new meaning to the term "greenback".>

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 16:29 | 4587025 Acidtest Dummy
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You might be thinking of zero-point energy. But if you you got more money out of the bank than you put in, that is essentially the hope of cold fusion. (Aside from violating the FIRST RULE of banking: you always put more money in the bank than you take out. [second rule: put your money in the bank and _maybe_ they'll let you visit it sometime.])                                          /Hey BTW, prosecuting war criminals sounds cool.



Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:11 | 4585787 Loucleve
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I thought that was nickel?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:52 | 4585414 BandGap
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Only used palladium onc on an industria scale. The driving force was that it is cheaper than platinum.

Palladium is to platinum as silver is to gold.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:12 | 4585507 Urban Redneck
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It makes for better bling than platinum, silver, or white gold - shinier finish and no tarnishing.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 14:18 | 4586360 DoChenRollingBearing
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Palladium is used in white gold, something I have been looking into (bring Pd down here for sale in Peru, they don´t produce any here).

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:20 | 4585537 DoChenRollingBearing
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I would partly disagree.  Pd is used as a catalyst when it can be substituted for Pt in vehicle engines.  Last I read though, only Pt can be used in diesel engines in that role, but active research is underway to find a way to use more Pd, as it is about half the price of Pt.

China uses some Pd in jewelry.  I just stack a little.

Here are some basic facts about the platinum group metals:

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:54 | 4585424 dogbreath
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Norilsk bitchez

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 10:56 | 4585431 Rakshas
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It would be nice if the russians would put in a silver short squeeze once in a while....... you know .....

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:08 | 4585442 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Rare earth metals...

Couple of the stans also.


Think electronics.

You can easily set up a parallel resource backed monetary system between rare earth metal application manufacturing in China driving energy consumption being supplied by the Russians. Rest of the world is by and large locked out of the market except through reclaimation and recycling unless other sources are found. How they price the trade Rubles or some new paper strictly used for gas pricing backed in palladium to price index against instead of using oil traded for Yuan backed in gold or whatever is in material when you own the majority of rare earth metal producing lands and surrounding regions are in your sphere of influence.


Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:20 | 4585527 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Some more color on this.

from the diplomat article.

The name, rare earth metal, is a misnomer. The metals are, in fact, far more abundant than many precious minerals. Yet their dispersion means they are rarely found in economically viable quantities. The similarity of chemical properties of the 17 REMs, demonstrated by their close proximity on the periodic table, makes them very difficult to separate. Their extraction is capital- and skill- intensive. End uses for REMs are varied but recent figures cited by the U.S. Geological Survey noted that in the U.S. the end use was predominantly for battery alloys, ceramics and magnets, sectors that are continuing to grow to cater for high-tech industry. The extent to which REM’s are used in defense technology is such that without their production modern warfare—fighter jets, drones, and most computer-controlled equipment—would have to undertake a lengthy process of redevelopment. A sovereign monopoly of such a resource is therefore a serious concern for any nation.

Amplfiy that by a self sufficient and sustaining cluster of sovereign entities. Who has who by the balls and things have to change to reduce dependency without self sufficiency in all areas from small scale then iterate upwards larger in scale. That is the real problem that  keeps being perpetrated on people on a mass scale in all aspects of their lives then iterate it upwards to local communities, regions, etc.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:11 | 4586066 merizobeach
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"they are rarely found in economically viable quantities... Their extraction is capital- and skill- intensive.... A sovereign monopoly of such a resource is therefore a serious concern for any nation."

Thus Australia's recent re-development of their production--and Japan's multi-billion dollar investment in those projects.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 14:08 | 4586296 DoChenRollingBearing
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Australia´s Lynas and America´s Molycorp are mining rare earths right now.  And losing lots of money.

Because they do not have the valuable "heavy rare earths" (europium, dysprosium, terbium, etc.).  For the moment (and at least for a while), only China has the "heavies" in volume.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:00 | 4585452 Tall Tom
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Palladium was trading at a higher price than Gold back in 2000. Then it soared to 300% over Gold Price?


If history were to repeat then $900 Pd is cheap....very cheap. I am glad that I have a little bit. I may want to increase my speculative exposure.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:16 | 4585528 Schmuck Raker
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Ignoring March 2009 when Gold traded at 4X Palladium's price, yeah. History just repeats selectively, I hope.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:58 | 4585714 ParkAveFlasher
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IMHO, the past is very easy to predict.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:22 | 4585564 Buckaroo Banzai
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Palladium trades like a bipolar off his meds, for two reasons: one, it is a substitute for platinum in auto catalytics (so its price is correlated to platinum's), and two, because the Russians control a giant above-ground pile of the stuff, so they can fuck with the price when it suits them. With threat of the Russian hoard off the market, one might expect palladium prices to start gyrating.

A more fundamental factor would be Chinese demand. Once Chinese start to require catalytic converters on their automobiles, the prices of both platinum and palladium should rise dramatically.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 19:18 | 4587832 MeelionDollerBogus
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If they were gonna demand it, they'd have demanded it by now.
I don't think they will. They ought to for health reasons but that's not up to us.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:24 | 4585575 Quinvarius
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It is like any other PM, buy the real thing if you want it.  The paper market has zero to do with supply and demand in the short term.  The bankers will bury themselves trying to prove that for as long as they can.  They don't care if they lose every ounce at $10 or $10000.  If they don't already have it all, they want to short.  And lets face it.  They didn't see any of this coming.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:02 | 4585460 Dr. Engali
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Palladium bitchez!.....Hmmmm....  It just doesn't roll off the tongue like gold bitchez!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:09 | 4585485 Independent
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Doc you just need a catchy pharse like "ALL the other Metals PALE next to PALLADIUM"

you know kind of like Tippe Canoe and Tyler Too.  Hmm Darrin from Bewitched would be the man for catchy jingles...

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:10 | 4585495 fonzannoon
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"Buy momo, don't be a homo"

 - Janet

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:13 | 4585512 Independent
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here is how good jingles are created Bewitched style though I much rather prefer the original Darrin

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:35 | 4585623 Buckaroo Banzai
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+1 for original Darrin.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:13 | 4585510 RSloane
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Several African countries have trade agreements re palladium with China already in place. Gosh its almost as if someone planned something for more than twenty minutes ahead!

/cue Twilight Zone theme song

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 19:18 | 4587835 MeelionDollerBogus
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Hu couldanode

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:04 | 4585470 Flakmeister
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Which is why any sentient person owns SWC.....

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:19 | 4585535 lakecity55
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My Ballerinas and frontiermen are quivering in the vault, I just checked.
I also checked SWC and PALL, they are both tumbling right now, in the wrong direction....

Smackdown time by TPTB???

or, BTATSH?*

*buy the all time sanction high?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:12 | 4585508 Quinvarius
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And that is why the paper price will most likely drop.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:27 | 4585543 Kirk2NCC1701
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Guess which nuke-tech and space-tech Eurasian country also mines huge amount of the world's Platinum and Titanium?  Yup, Russia.

And then there are the rare-earth minerals in Mongolia.  If China and Russia clamp down on those supplies, or even price them through the roof -- cartel-style -- it's "tits up" for Silicon Valley.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 15:48 | 4586790 post turtle saver
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it's all about carbon nanotubes... stupid dick waving bullshit like this will just push things forward, faster

there's digging stuff out of the ground and there's turning it into something useful, two very different things

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:27 | 4585586 Duc888
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KIRK2NC....  "Guess which nuke-tech and space-tech Eurasian country also mines huge amount of the world's Platinum and Titanium?  Yup, Russia.


....even funnier is how we purchased all of the Titanium used in our Submarines from Russia during and after the cold war through a front company in South Africa.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:28 | 4585597 billsbest
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back in the day, I did very well with Platinum, but bear in mind the overall BIG DIFFERENCE with Gold and Silver – neither palladium or platinum have a millennial history of being MONEY!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 14:20 | 4586326 DoChenRollingBearing
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True, but in the mid-1800s Russia used platinum to make 3 ruble and 6 ruble coins for some 15 (?) years.  These are rare and hard to get here in America (and very expensive, I saw a 6 ruble coin once at eBay offered at $19,000), maybe now that Russia is getting wealthy, they are bringing their treasures home.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:47 | 4585673 Hughmon
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Palladium and Platinum should rise together since they are largely interchangable as catalysts.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 14:13 | 4586332 DoChenRollingBearing
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Except in diesel engines, very popular in Europe and China.  Active research IS ongoing to see how much (and how) Pd can be used vs. the more expensive Pt.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 19:37 | 4587905 MeelionDollerBogus
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But that may not be a real rise, merely a correlation, if their function is displaced by room-temperature catalyzing by nano-gold on titanium dioxide. Plus if carbon-monoxide poisons, disables, the white metals' catalysts but not gold (so it seems) that puts them to a further disadvantage.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 11:55 | 4585695 thamnosma
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Time to finally rid ourselves of catalytic converters.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 19:19 | 4587836 MeelionDollerBogus
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What a relief, then we can be rid of these silly lung-things too.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:47 | 4585964 22winmag
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Got Palladium?

Russia: Suck my tailpipe.

O'bomber: Gladly!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:01 | 4586026 flacorps
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It's possible that palladium is not entirely necessary for cold fusion (at least if Rossi's claims for nickel are to be believed--of course there is something undisclosed in Rossi's formulation, and that might well be palladium).

Of course, Rossi may also be just an amazingly long-surviving con man.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:49 | 4586199 ThisIsBob
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All your palladiums are belong to us.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:58 | 4586240 ThisIsBob
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I hold a small position in unobtainium.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 16:49 | 4587123 teslaberry
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funny , i was sure this article was going to be about plutonium 239. ya know...nukes!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 18:54 | 4587746 MeelionDollerBogus
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Guess why palladium crashed last time? Because Russia pretended there was a shortage then dumped tons of it on the market.

Don't get fooled again. Gold & silver are money. Palladium & platinum have currency codes but central banks aren't using them as assets & barter won't be using them because they're too expensive and visually too hard to differentiate to silver coins to most people who may be quite untrusting. Gold is obviously not like the others but again is expensive so large purchases only, when paper prices simply can not exist for anything.

As for paper trades on this - you are on your own - no thanks.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:10 | 4595931 Philligan
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just bought my first ballerina! 

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