Russian Politician Suggests Dividing Ukraine Along Lines Of Nazi-Soviet Pact, Proposes West Ukraine Referendum

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It has been a while since well-known Russian nationalist and spotlight-grabbing politician, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, made headlines. The recent flame up of Cold War 2.0 is precisely the cover the flamboyant individual needed to reemerge once more, scandalous as ever. Because while the west scrambles to find a way to punish Russia for openly flaunting its relentless hollow threats by annexing Crimea, Zhirinovsky is back and has a "modest proposal" for Ukraine, and the countries neighboring the troubled former USSR territory: namely dividing the country along the lines of an infamous Nazi-Soviet pact, suggesting that regions in Western Ukraine hold referendums on breaking away from Kiev. In a letter sent to the governments of Poland, Romania and Hungary, Vladimir Zhirinovsky also suggested those countries hold referendums on incorporating the regions into their territory. The question is whether Zhirinovsky, who traditionally has been just a bit of a loose cannon yet whose nationalist Liberal Democratic party largely backs President Vladimir Putin in the Russian parliament,speaks only for himself, or whether Putin is using him the way the Fed uses Hilsenrath.

Before readers dismiss his ramblings as those of a deranged lunatic, it is worth reminding that he is deputy speaker at the Duma and his ideas and language resonate with a large part of the Russian population and the Kremlin's increasingly pro-nationalist rhetoric.

Reuters has more details on his proposal:

His letter, seen by Reuters, suggested Poland, Hungary and Romania, who are now in the European Union, might wish to take back regions which he said were in the past their territories.

 

The regions were incorporated into Ukraine when it was part of the Soviet Union at the end of World War Two and featured in a secret annex of the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop pact under which the Soviet and Nazi German foreign ministers carved up the area.

 

"It's never too late to correct historical errors," Zhirinovsky wrote. It was not clear whether the letter was serious or a publicity stunt. But it follows a crisis in relations between Moscow and Kiev since the Moscow-backed Viktor Yanukovich was ousted as Ukraine's president last month.

 

Zhirinovsky proposed Ukraine's Chernivtsi, Zakarpattia, Volyn, Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Rovensky regions, together with Poland, Romania and Hungary hold referendums on whether the regions should break away from Ukraine.

 

Romania might wish to have Chernivtsi, Hungary the Zakarpattia region, and Poland the rest, he said. 

 

The proposal would allow central Ukraine to be free of "unnecessary tensions" and the referendums would "bring prosperity and tranquillity to the Ukrainian native land," the letter said.

We never said he didn't have a sense of humor. One nation, however, was not amused: Poland...

Polish Foreign Ministry spokesman Marcin Wojciechowski dismissed the letter as a "complete oddity" and regretted some Russians "still think in terms of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact."

... And of course Ukraine.

Ukraine's government spokeswoman declined to comment. Sergei Sobolev, head of Ukraine's largest parliamentary faction, the Fatherland party, called Zhirinovsky a "provocateur".

 

"But Zhirinovsky often is the voice of Putin," he added.

 

Alexandr Efremov, head of the parliamentary faction Party of Regions, Ukraine's former ruling party, said he did not support Zhirinovsky's proposal.

 

"Just as we have some intemperate people, Russia has some of them as well," Efremov said at a briefing. "I do not support this (Zhirinovsky's) approach."

Perhaps the most important message here is that with the Russian nationalism wave increasingly a dominant talking point and motivation in voting for any one political party, hopes that the Ukraine "precedent" will promptly be buried under the rug can be soundly eliminated for good.

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Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:26 | 4585875 PlusTic
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The real dilemma is how to split-up all the Ukranian hookers...who gets what?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:27 | 4585879 Independent
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Germany gets some Lebensraum

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:33 | 4585887 Wolferl
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Lol. Winning!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:08 | 4586055 AlaricBalth
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I would like to see the Tumucua tribe take back Florida. I'm sure if we were to have a referendum the vote would favor severing ties with the US gov.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:17 | 4586079 Manthong
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Russia.. China.. India.. Iran  (near half the world’s population with plenty of resources and technology)

V  US.. Japan.. UK.. and ……

what’s left of the EU after Germany sees its opportunity to realign, secure a more sound future market and dump the burden of the Euro.

..just a little conjecture.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 14:27 | 4586413 TheFutureReset
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Germany is definitely the wildcard. There so many positives for Germany in a pact with Russia, and really a bleak future with the Euro. It's only a matter of when. I've been on the lookout for signs of Germany leaning East. 

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:11 | 4588865 StychoKiller
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Any weapons experts care to explain the rifle the guy on the left is holding in this picture?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:34 | 4586133 Harbanger
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If we had a referendum vote in California we'd have to give it back to the Mexicans.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:38 | 4586159 Headbanger
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Isn't California about to vote on splitting into six states?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:46 | 4586192 Harbanger
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That's rich California libs not wanting to deal with the mess they created.  Fuckem.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:39 | 4585916 Independent
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Great idea its a WIN WIN for all the eastern european countries, ukraine is for DINNER LOL  and Lunch and Breakfast

This is very ingenious because Hungary and Romania really want some territory back and Poland would love a big chunk also.  This will divide up NATO, the pack of wolves will split in pursuit of individual interests,  very very interesting situation here....

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:10 | 4588863 Unknown User
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US spent $5B to pull off a coup to make people happy?  Nah... 

But people of Ukraine definitely want Poland, Hungary and Romania to take their Nazis back.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:49 | 4586174 Headbanger
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Spring time for Hitler... And Germany!!!  

I just had to....

I know!   Why don't we go all the way back to the borders that existed right after the Roman Empire fell and start all over again!

Sure, that'll work!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:38 | 4585918 hungarianboy
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Easy, the Hungarians get the Hungarians back as it should be.

Thos who don't obey can go to prypriat. Chernobyl or whatever it is called over there.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:41 | 4585928 Independent
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The Hungarians deserve that slice of the Carpathian mountains, every country deserves some nice alpine getaway in the hot summer months.  Im all for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakarpattia_Oblast

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 15:58 | 4586403 RaceToTheBottom
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"After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine held an independence referendum in which the residents of Zakarpattia were asked about the Zakarpattia Oblast Council's proposal for self-rule.[4] About 78% of the oblast's population voted in favor of autonomy; however, it was not granted.[4] There were also propositions of separating from Ukraine to rejoin Czechoslovakia,[16] but after Czechoslovakia's dissolution into the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic (1993), these ideas have been rendered largely moot."

Slovakia gets it's Halusky. 

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:27 | 4585876 Ratscam
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reasonable idea, let the people vote and decide for themself!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:01 | 4586028 Who Laughed
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That would be illegal

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:03 | 4586040 Murf_DaSurf
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When you do a little reading on the slaughter there in the early 4o's and you realize this is not going to end well.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 16:44 | 4587103 A Nanny Moose
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Vote for what? New masters? Yeah, that has always worked out.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:26 | 4585878 TahoeBilly2012
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Where's Boris?

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:30 | 4585882 Independent
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He is taking a Dnieper cruise from Kiev to Kherson.  And there may be a boating accident wink wink ;)

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:28 | 4585885 ParkAveFlasher
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Digging in his backyard for palladium, per Simon Black's advice.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:27 | 4585881 Wolferl
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Does this mean, we finally get back east Prussia from the Russians?

 

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:29 | 4585888 Independent
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The Allies would never stand for that.  You give the Krauts Prussia and the Junkers will be revived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junker

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:36 | 4585913 Wolferl
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You mean the "Allies" will disagree the way they disagree on Crimea? ROFL.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 15:06 | 4586630 Zwelgje
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You can't even get your gold back you silly kraut.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 16:10 | 4586923 Wolferl
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Who cares about gold? Just stupid morons.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:33 | 4585894 Ralph Spoilsport
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Russia has Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the US has Johhny 'wet-start' McCain and the rest of the neocon asshats.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:32 | 4585895 CrashisOptimistic
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The entire global array of people over 50 think this is the world they grew up in where oil is infinite and a dominant oil power can't be just that, dominant.

Even if they are Russian, they are wrong.

You don't have to fight this war like it used to be fought.  If you're Russia, all you have to do is snipe some oil executives in Nigeria and Libya -- places where one more murder here and there won't even be noticed.  Then watch the price of oil climb, which of course makes you more money in an utterly painless way and hurts your enemies enormously.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:33 | 4585899 Quinvarius
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Transient!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:35 | 4585906 Seize Mars
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More and more people are learning the truth: we don't need government, we don't need banks.
Does it really matter which banner you are forced to salute? Does it really matter which professional criminal you are forced to pay tax to?
A stateless society is possible.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:44 | 4585947 Lebensphilosoph
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Right. A stateless society is possible, just as it was before the dawn of humanity and civilisation. BACK TO THE PALEOLITHIC! We can ditch the state and live like New Guineans, Amazonians, or the savages of the deepest Congo.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:47 | 4585968 McMolotov
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Rayciss.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:58 | 4586015 Seize Mars
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You are exhibiting classic Stockholm Syndrome.
I suppose if they repeat it enough times at public school, you start to believe that having your money stolen and having your freedom stripped is somehow civilized. It isn't.
The Paleolithic method is force; coercion to pay taxes, coercion to register yourself and justify your travels.
The civilized future involves no coercion. Every single transaction and every single relationship you have can be voluntary.
Find out about it at mises.org

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 16:55 | 4587156 Matt
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You think there are enough resources for your AnarchyTopia?

Whether there is government or not, there are always cartels. Free open competition is a young man's game.

Once a man is in his 50s, has a wife and kids and house and mortgage and two cars and a white picket fence, he doesn't want change. He will organize with like-minded men of his profession and control the price and supply of the good or service he produces. 

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 08:00 | 4589345 Seize Mars
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I think you have a false impression. You think that freedom means a lack of laws, a lawless free-for-all where a man has to kill or be killed. You have the wrong impression, because that's the idea they give you in government school.

Forcing people to pay for your theoretical cartel means they pay higher prices for inferior stuff. This is economically unstable, and creates desperation and poverty; the data points are all around you. This costs too much "resources" as you say.

Freedom means everyone obeys the law. The law consists of specifically, rules that protect life, liberty and property. If you force people to do stuff (like transact with a monopoly or cartel), then you are costing somone their life, liberty or property. One of those things is spent, every time you force someone to transact.

A stateless society is possible. A society without coercion and violence.

Read Bastiat's "The Law." It can take about an afternoon, and I promise it will open your eyes forever.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 12:15 | 4590377 Matt
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Who is going to enforce the law, if there is no State? Do I get to, in true market fashion, choose which system of law to live under, regardless of geographic location?

What I am saying about cartels is not about what is ideal, but what I have observed in the real world.

No one forces you to ride in a taxi, you choose to transact with the Taxi Association (which is a cartel that controls local taxi service).

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 23:26 | 4592783 Seize Mars
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The state can be defined as the entity that insists on a monopoly of violence. Why do you need to have a service provided by a monopoly? Do you think that you get superior products or services when you buy oil from Standard Oil? Wouldn't it be nice to have a choice?

Security and dispute arbitration can be - and has been - provided by private entities that don't coerce your support. In fact Hans-Hermann Hoppe has written quite a bit about this.

So to review from earlier, get a copy of Bastiat's "The Law," and read it. You're a bright guy, you can do it in an afternoon. Then, go to vonmises.org and learn about how free-to-choose entities can provide all the services that you currently obtain from the monopoly entity (government).

I promise, if you read enough of this stuff, it will change your life.

Find out about the truth.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 16:53 | 4587141 A Nanny Moose
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A)False dichotomy

B) They do pretty well in the jungles given the primitive nature of their methods. OTOH we slash, and burn the jungles to put up over priced, air-conditioned condos that nobody can afford, and soccer stadiums paid for by the next generation.

When the lights go out, who will survive? Those who do not need shoes, or google, or refrigeration, or those living off creature comforts of decades of imperialism.

C) Might makes right is not universally preferable.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 00:18 | 4588881 StychoKiller
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It takes a LOT of intelligence to govern yourself, perhaps you should check yer premises...

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 01:46 | 4588999 thedrickster
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or like the Icelandic Commonwealth

 

Oh, wait.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:37 | 4585915 Dr. Engali
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I think there is a good Polack joke in there somewhere, but they went away with the cold war.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:41 | 4585931 BandGap
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What do you call a Polack in a tree?

Branch manager.

 

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:43 | 4585940 Dr. Engali
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How do you sink a sub full of Polacks?

 

Knock on the hatch.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:57 | 4586006 Independent
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Why did the Pollack submarine sink?

They forgot to close the screen hatches...........

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 15:13 | 4586658 Mountainview
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It happend on the "open door" day!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 13:04 | 4586046 Mountainview
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Yes, Ukraine is not where it should be...but if we go further in this thinking --the US should be an Indian Reserve and Europe should be ruled out of Rome!!!

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:44 | 4585953 Ralph Spoilsport
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Mrs. Spoilsport is a beautiful blonde Pole with blue eyes. She knows the best Polack jokes ever. If I tell a Polack joke, I risk her breaking me like a twig.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 12:49 | 4585974 BandGap
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How does a Polack take a bubble bath?

Sits in a mud puddle and blows farts.

(I am Polish, BTW)

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