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Russian Politician Suggests Dividing Ukraine Along Lines Of Nazi-Soviet Pact, Proposes West Ukraine Referendum
It has been a while since well-known Russian nationalist and spotlight-grabbing politician, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, made headlines. The recent flame up of Cold War 2.0 is precisely the cover the flamboyant individual needed to reemerge once more, scandalous as ever. Because while the west scrambles to find a way to punish Russia for openly flaunting its relentless hollow threats by annexing Crimea, Zhirinovsky is back and has a "modest proposal" for Ukraine, and the countries neighboring the troubled former USSR territory: namely dividing the country along the lines of an infamous Nazi-Soviet pact, suggesting that regions in Western Ukraine hold referendums on breaking away from Kiev. In a letter sent to the governments of Poland, Romania and Hungary, Vladimir Zhirinovsky also suggested those countries hold referendums on incorporating the regions into their territory. The question is whether Zhirinovsky, who traditionally has been just a bit of a loose cannon yet whose nationalist Liberal Democratic party largely backs President Vladimir Putin in the Russian parliament,speaks only for himself, or whether Putin is using him the way the Fed uses Hilsenrath.
Before readers dismiss his ramblings as those of a deranged lunatic, it is worth reminding that he is deputy speaker at the Duma and his ideas and language resonate with a large part of the Russian population and the Kremlin's increasingly pro-nationalist rhetoric.
Reuters has more details on his proposal:
His letter, seen by Reuters, suggested Poland, Hungary and Romania, who are now in the European Union, might wish to take back regions which he said were in the past their territories.
The regions were incorporated into Ukraine when it was part of the Soviet Union at the end of World War Two and featured in a secret annex of the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop pact under which the Soviet and Nazi German foreign ministers carved up the area.
"It's never too late to correct historical errors," Zhirinovsky wrote. It was not clear whether the letter was serious or a publicity stunt. But it follows a crisis in relations between Moscow and Kiev since the Moscow-backed Viktor Yanukovich was ousted as Ukraine's president last month.
Zhirinovsky proposed Ukraine's Chernivtsi, Zakarpattia, Volyn, Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Rovensky regions, together with Poland, Romania and Hungary hold referendums on whether the regions should break away from Ukraine.
Romania might wish to have Chernivtsi, Hungary the Zakarpattia region, and Poland the rest, he said.
The proposal would allow central Ukraine to be free of "unnecessary tensions" and the referendums would "bring prosperity and tranquillity to the Ukrainian native land," the letter said.
We never said he didn't have a sense of humor. One nation, however, was not amused: Poland...
Polish Foreign Ministry spokesman Marcin Wojciechowski dismissed the letter as a "complete oddity" and regretted some Russians "still think in terms of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact."
... And of course Ukraine.
Ukraine's government spokeswoman declined to comment. Sergei Sobolev, head of Ukraine's largest parliamentary faction, the Fatherland party, called Zhirinovsky a "provocateur".
"But Zhirinovsky often is the voice of Putin," he added.
Alexandr Efremov, head of the parliamentary faction Party of Regions, Ukraine's former ruling party, said he did not support Zhirinovsky's proposal.
"Just as we have some intemperate people, Russia has some of them as well," Efremov said at a briefing. "I do not support this (Zhirinovsky's) approach."
Perhaps the most important message here is that with the Russian nationalism wave increasingly a dominant talking point and motivation in voting for any one political party, hopes that the Ukraine "precedent" will promptly be buried under the rug can be soundly eliminated for good.
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The real dilemma is how to split-up all the Ukranian hookers...who gets what?
Germany gets some Lebensraum
Lol. Winning!
I would like to see the Tumucua tribe take back Florida. I'm sure if we were to have a referendum the vote would favor severing ties with the US gov.
Russia.. China.. India.. Iran (near half the world’s population with plenty of resources and technology)
V US.. Japan.. UK.. and ……
what’s left of the EU after Germany sees its opportunity to realign, secure a more sound future market and dump the burden of the Euro.
..just a little conjecture.
Germany is definitely the wildcard. There so many positives for Germany in a pact with Russia, and really a bleak future with the Euro. It's only a matter of when. I've been on the lookout for signs of Germany leaning East.
Any weapons experts care to explain the rifle the guy on the left is holding in this picture?
If we had a referendum vote in California we'd have to give it back to the Mexicans.
Isn't California about to vote on splitting into six states?
That's rich California libs not wanting to deal with the mess they created. Fuckem.
Great idea its a WIN WIN for all the eastern european countries, ukraine is for DINNER LOL and Lunch and Breakfast
This is very ingenious because Hungary and Romania really want some territory back and Poland would love a big chunk also. This will divide up NATO, the pack of wolves will split in pursuit of individual interests, very very interesting situation here....
US spent $5B to pull off a coup to make people happy? Nah...
But people of Ukraine definitely want Poland, Hungary and Romania to take their Nazis back.
Spring time for Hitler... And Germany!!!
I just had to....
I know! Why don't we go all the way back to the borders that existed right after the Roman Empire fell and start all over again!
Sure, that'll work!
Easy, the Hungarians get the Hungarians back as it should be.
Thos who don't obey can go to prypriat. Chernobyl or whatever it is called over there.
The Hungarians deserve that slice of the Carpathian mountains, every country deserves some nice alpine getaway in the hot summer months. Im all for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakarpattia_Oblast
"After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine held an independence referendum in which the residents of Zakarpattia were asked about the Zakarpattia Oblast Council's proposal for self-rule.[4] About 78% of the oblast's population voted in favor of autonomy; however, it was not granted.[4] There were also propositions of separating from Ukraine to rejoin Czechoslovakia,[16] but after Czechoslovakia's dissolution into the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic (1993), these ideas have been rendered largely moot."
Slovakia gets it's Halusky.
reasonable idea, let the people vote and decide for themself!
That would be illegal
When you do a little reading on the slaughter there in the early 4o's and you realize this is not going to end well.
Vote for what? New masters? Yeah, that has always worked out.
Where's Boris?
He is taking a Dnieper cruise from Kiev to Kherson. And there may be a boating accident wink wink ;)
Digging in his backyard for palladium, per Simon Black's advice.
Does this mean, we finally get back east Prussia from the Russians?
The Allies would never stand for that. You give the Krauts Prussia and the Junkers will be revived.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junker
You mean the "Allies" will disagree the way they disagree on Crimea? ROFL.
You can't even get your gold back you silly kraut.
Who cares about gold? Just stupid morons.
Russia has Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the US has Johhny 'wet-start' McCain and the rest of the neocon asshats.
The entire global array of people over 50 think this is the world they grew up in where oil is infinite and a dominant oil power can't be just that, dominant.
Even if they are Russian, they are wrong.
You don't have to fight this war like it used to be fought. If you're Russia, all you have to do is snipe some oil executives in Nigeria and Libya -- places where one more murder here and there won't even be noticed. Then watch the price of oil climb, which of course makes you more money in an utterly painless way and hurts your enemies enormously.
Transient!
More and more people are learning the truth: we don't need government, we don't need banks.
Does it really matter which banner you are forced to salute? Does it really matter which professional criminal you are forced to pay tax to?
A stateless society is possible.
Right. A stateless society is possible, just as it was before the dawn of humanity and civilisation. BACK TO THE PALEOLITHIC! We can ditch the state and live like New Guineans, Amazonians, or the savages of the deepest Congo.
Rayciss.
You are exhibiting classic Stockholm Syndrome.
I suppose if they repeat it enough times at public school, you start to believe that having your money stolen and having your freedom stripped is somehow civilized. It isn't.
The Paleolithic method is force; coercion to pay taxes, coercion to register yourself and justify your travels.
The civilized future involves no coercion. Every single transaction and every single relationship you have can be voluntary.
Find out about it at mises.org
You think there are enough resources for your AnarchyTopia?
Whether there is government or not, there are always cartels. Free open competition is a young man's game.
Once a man is in his 50s, has a wife and kids and house and mortgage and two cars and a white picket fence, he doesn't want change. He will organize with like-minded men of his profession and control the price and supply of the good or service he produces.
I think you have a false impression. You think that freedom means a lack of laws, a lawless free-for-all where a man has to kill or be killed. You have the wrong impression, because that's the idea they give you in government school.
Forcing people to pay for your theoretical cartel means they pay higher prices for inferior stuff. This is economically unstable, and creates desperation and poverty; the data points are all around you. This costs too much "resources" as you say.
Freedom means everyone obeys the law. The law consists of specifically, rules that protect life, liberty and property. If you force people to do stuff (like transact with a monopoly or cartel), then you are costing somone their life, liberty or property. One of those things is spent, every time you force someone to transact.
A stateless society is possible. A society without coercion and violence.
Read Bastiat's "The Law." It can take about an afternoon, and I promise it will open your eyes forever.
Who is going to enforce the law, if there is no State? Do I get to, in true market fashion, choose which system of law to live under, regardless of geographic location?
What I am saying about cartels is not about what is ideal, but what I have observed in the real world.
No one forces you to ride in a taxi, you choose to transact with the Taxi Association (which is a cartel that controls local taxi service).
The state can be defined as the entity that insists on a monopoly of violence. Why do you need to have a service provided by a monopoly? Do you think that you get superior products or services when you buy oil from Standard Oil? Wouldn't it be nice to have a choice?
Security and dispute arbitration can be - and has been - provided by private entities that don't coerce your support. In fact Hans-Hermann Hoppe has written quite a bit about this.
So to review from earlier, get a copy of Bastiat's "The Law," and read it. You're a bright guy, you can do it in an afternoon. Then, go to vonmises.org and learn about how free-to-choose entities can provide all the services that you currently obtain from the monopoly entity (government).
I promise, if you read enough of this stuff, it will change your life.
Find out about the truth.
A)False dichotomy
B) They do pretty well in the jungles given the primitive nature of their methods. OTOH we slash, and burn the jungles to put up over priced, air-conditioned condos that nobody can afford, and soccer stadiums paid for by the next generation.
When the lights go out, who will survive? Those who do not need shoes, or google, or refrigeration, or those living off creature comforts of decades of imperialism.
C) Might makes right is not universally preferable.
It takes a LOT of intelligence to govern yourself, perhaps you should check yer premises...
or like the Icelandic Commonwealth
Oh, wait.
I think there is a good Polack joke in there somewhere, but they went away with the cold war.
What do you call a Polack in a tree?
Branch manager.
How do you sink a sub full of Polacks?
Knock on the hatch.
Why did the Pollack submarine sink?
They forgot to close the screen hatches...........
It happend on the "open door" day!
Yes, Ukraine is not where it should be...but if we go further in this thinking --the US should be an Indian Reserve and Europe should be ruled out of Rome!!!
Mrs. Spoilsport is a beautiful blonde Pole with blue eyes. She knows the best Polack jokes ever. If I tell a Polack joke, I risk her breaking me like a twig.
How does a Polack take a bubble bath?
Sits in a mud puddle and blows farts.
(I am Polish, BTW)
LOL! I'll try telling her that one, after I put on my running shoes.
I knew I would push somebody's sensitivity button, update pricks.
Shoot and hang all the politicians, bankers and lawyers: - problems solved since there will only be working people left who have no time for this nonsense...
Shoot AND hang; I like the way you think. One takes no chances when dealing with ghouls.
The latest revelation from Russky resident, Edward Snowden. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2014/03/we-may-be-thieves-but-we...
"Divide and Conquer."
Offering ethnic regions reasons to not support the putsch, interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
What a moron.
Two Polacks have their camel stolen. When asked to describe it, they say that it has two assholes. They are told that this is impossible, but claim to have heard people exclaim when they had ridden past: "Look at the two assholes on that camel...
Why are there only two pallbearers at an Irish wake?
Only two handles on a trash can.
Polish camels actually have 2 AH's...
There should be region wide elections. People should chose which country they want to live in. World War II and the USSR fucked up the borders and people lives. Now is time for votes and a new east european order. Why does the west hate elections! We know why, bakers don't like deomocracy, in fact, they openly say that freedom and democracy are getting in the way of baker profits. The UK baker class is issuing threats to Scotland, if they vote to be free, the Bankers will punich them. Banker Wankers, the focus of evil in the modern world. Any dead banker is a good banker, a live one is a good target.
To the Chinese the rwest hate erections......
Jack (can I call you Kojack?), here's the deal. The EU was created to unify Europe so's that all them people could vote with their feets as to where they want to homestead. Just invite the whole fucking world to join the EU. Problem solved, no more punichments.
Fucking Mondays.
Summary: punich the bakers who don't like deomacracy.
Looks like yer keyboard's been drinking again...
See this Line, I'm gonna redraw it again...
Does it matter to which farm the scheep belong.
First the wool and then the meat.
Ukrainians must take up arms against Russians so that not even scorched earth will be left where Russia stands; an example of former Ukrainian PM Yulia Tymoshenko’s vitriol in phone call leaked online.
Tymoshenko confirmed the authenticity of the conversation on Twitter, while pointing out that a section where she is heard to call for the nuclear slaughter of the eight million Russians who remain on Ukrainian territory was edited.
She tweeted “The conversation took place, but the '8 million Russians in Ukraine' piece is an edit. In fact, I said Russians in Ukraine – are Ukrainians. Hello FSB :) Sorry for the obscene language.”
The former Ukrainian PM has not clarified who exactly she wants to nuke.
“I’ll use all my connections, I’ll raise the whole world – as soon as I’m able to – in order to make sure.. Bugger!.. not even scorched earth won’t remain where Russia stands,” she promised.
Despite being incapacitated by spinal disc hernia the ex-PM stressed she’s ready to “grab a machine gun, you know what I’m saying, and go shoot this bastard [Putin] in the forehead.”
http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/
I've got a gal.....in Sevastopol..........
Don't mean to boast, but I know she'll be toast in Sevastopol.
This two dollar whore is no match for Putin. I know she is worth more than two dollars but she has been selling her country for two dollars over and over and over. I bet you she feeds the innocent young Ukrainian girls to the sex trade markets in Tel Aviv.
proof once again that there's really no difference between 'moderate' Fatherland and the goosestepping Banderites. They are mentally unstable fanatics. Good thing they dont have much of a military to call on (and no nukes, thank Christ!). However, European wars have been started by saner heads than these.
LOL "The former Ukrainian PM has not clarified who exactly she wants to nuke"...or where she'll get the nukes.
Yuliya's hair braid (her claim to fame) is fake. Not her hair. It's an attachment, a prop.
In other news, Yuliya Tymoshenko, the US/EU-supported corrupt Ukrainain politician/oligarch, on a leaked phone call, calls for the nuking of Russians and turning them into ashes.
If she is elected next Ukraine leader, Russia will need to protect the 8 million Russians living in Ukraine.
This "turn to ashes" bullshit has to end. They need to sit down and work these problems out. Get Joe Biden to moderate.
Nothing to work out, EU is broke and needs Ukraine assets for more loans and Ukraine assets aren't interested.
Like asking a liquore store owner and a broke junky robber to sit down and reach an agreement.
Kind of like Iran and Israel lol. Watch the moment the Jooos bomb Iran, Putin will bomb Kiev and take over Ukraine, using the Israel precedent hahahha. Whats Obama gonna do, draw a red line for the Ruskies but a green line for the Jooos.
Tymoshenko calls to destroy Russians
http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/
Putin is too hip to remove such a great "bad guy" as Princess Tymoshenko she's both stupid and corrupt and a traitor, its like having John McCain as your opposition leader, anybody can run against him and win, even an Obama, heaven forbid an actual honest Ukrainian liberty minded patriot step in should she be removed.
Putin has body guards protecting Tymoshenko.
Putin wants that bitch around, that's why she was released, to make the NAZi street mob "protesters" look like the "rent a mob" that they are.
Thanks, 'cause I was beginning to think someone slipped me a crazy pill!
The headline of this article appears misleading.
Zhironovsky is calling for the return to the Polish, Hungary, Rumania borders that existed in 1939, before the Nazi-Soviet pact. The current West Ukraine boders reflect the divisions of the Nazi-Soviet pact.
Ah, I remember the old days (like, before 2 weeks ago) when geopolitical tensions actually made gold go up.
I see this taking off..if you are a poor country you can vote to join a rich one....then after a few years of taking the cash..vote to join another rich country....lol..
Great idea except the NAZis want (and need) the loot in the East to cover all their bad debts, (Spain Italy Ireland Portugal Greece and of course FNM & FRE all secured by Germany).
The EU is broke, and stuck and can't cut a dime without mass Muslim civil unrest.
The EU can grow their cities like Kyiv through immigration all they want, they don't want Kyiv, but they need hard assets to trade for more credit for their "loss leader" govt operations.
Thye Russians understand bankruptcy and debt real well, every Russian and former Soviet citizen is old enough to remember the collapse, the Soviets also hyper-educated their populations in economic propaganda too, a whole large swarth of the globe is now hip ex-communists, they can all do math and the EU is bankrupt.
The only thing which will end this war is killing the broke NAZIs seeking war.
About 5 bankers should do, thats it.
Without the magic word, “Nazi,” this story would be given no legs in the American media. This story was manufactured in order to use the word "Nazi", e.g., "Dividing Ukraine Along Lines of (a) Nazi-Soviet Pact."
When there is a connection to Ukraine using Hitler’s National Socialists, in power for only a short time more than70 years ago, the Zionist media will go to tremendous lengths to make a connection in order to activate the contrived American Pavlovian opposition to Russian nationalistm. To do it, put Nazi in the headline.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Zero Hedge could pass on this name-calling deception. Is ZH in agreement with Christine Legarde’s latest, that nationalism must give way to IMF debt enslavement?
It would be best and simplest to divide Ukraine along the Dnieper River which flows through Kiev. There would still be enclaves of 'western'-oriented Ukrainians in the east and eastern-oriented Ukrainians in the west but a zig-zag border is too complicated and invites trouble. A river makes a natural, well-defined border.
As for other countries with Russian ethnics, Russia should help them return - it's cheaper than conflict with NATO. It would be especially neat if Estonia's 25% Russian ethnic population just quit whatever they are doing, en masse, and moved to Russia.
Wooten; agreed.
Zhirinovsky proposal is not so stupid. Essentially he is saying Russia can not really control Western most territories, especially with US covert operations ,and populace in these regions historically with mixed loyalties, and therefore a liability to Russia. So let them go their Merry way if they so choose, but leave the rest of Ukraine to Russia where they have a high probability of winning any referendum. It would be a smaller Ukraine , but more secure under Russian rule.
The question is whether the US game plan is to extricate all of Ukraine, other then Crimea which is now Russia, or can the EU convince the US to settle with half a loaf. European response to this trial ballon will indicate to Russia how to proceed . In any case they will not allow Eastern Ukraine to secede from the Russian orbit for many strategic reasons already outlined on ZH
I suggest dividing Russia between EU and China.
London and Alaska is next! :)
I think that they are short changing Slovakia. Didn't they lose a small bit into Ukraine?
Ukraine, it's what is for dinner.
25 February 2014, (Collapse)
http://collapse.com/donn-marten/2014/02/25/id2277.htm
While people in Crimean had a democratic vote and decided not to get plundered by the West President Obama meets with an unelected Neo-Nazi named Arseniy Yatsenyuk.
An H.Himmler clone at the white house. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzrNy3Fw9uE
http://images.unian.net/photos/2014_01/1390389639-2440-arseniy-yatsenyuk.jpg
Schizophrenia? Ukraine interim PM’s policy twists and turns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2_oE7Kbrio
Heinrich at Return to Castle Wolfenstein Ending http://youtu.be/WLxma6IJVS0?t=5m19s
Heinrich was right: “Those Americans, they ruin everything” from Iraq to Libya and Syria. Now Ukraine is on their list.
The Honeymoon Is Over: Ukraine To Stun Citizens With 40% Gas Price Hike http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/honeymoon-over-ukraine-stun-citizens-40-gas-price-hike
BTW, Poland is calling reservists all across the world for at least a month of training... you know, to be ready in case it hits the fan.
1) Zhirinovsky is a Jew and a fake "Russian nationalist" which is kept by Putin to scare Russians with "ugly face of Russian nationalusm". He is very instrumental in presenting Russian nationalism as insane clownade...
2) The authir is not correct, Zhirinovsky proposed to return Ukraine into pre-Molotov-Ribbentrop /WWII borders. Ukraine benefited the most from territorial expansion of USSR but Russians are to be blamed for it..
And no thanks from Ukraine for half of its territory.
Zhirinovsky is a Jew and a fake "Russian nationalist"
The following is an intended BBC hit piece but I think you’ll agree that it puts a whole new dimension on to whom Zhirinovsky gives his loyalty.
“Why should I reject Russian blood, Russian culture, Russian land, and fall in love with the Jewish people only because of that single drop of blood that my father left in my mother's body?" – Vladimir Zhirinovsky
Zhirinovsky admits Jewish roots | BBC News | July 19, 2001
Russia's flamboyant ultra-nationalist, Vladimir Zhirinovsky - a notorious anti-Semite - has stopped denying that his father was a Jew.
"My father was a Jew, a Polish Jew," he says in a new book published this week.
"His name was Volf Isaakovich Eidelshtein."
Mr Zhirinovsky always denied, or glossed over, his father's Jewishness - even after a reporter dug up documents in 1994 that showed his family name was Eidelshtein until he changed it at the age of 18.
Ethnic Russian
"My mother was Russian, my father was a lawyer," he once said.
He has at various times accused Jews of:
This year he refused to honour a moment's silence for the Nazis' Jewish victims in the Russian parliament, on the grounds that to do so would be an insult to the millions of Russian victims of the Second World War.
In his latest book, Ivan Close Your Soul, Mr Zhirinovsky repeatedly states that he considers himself an ethnic Russian.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1446759.stm
From Wikipedia
Reinhard Heydrich - SS-Obergruppenführer and General der Polizei, chief of the RSHA or Reichssicherheitshauptamt (Reich Main Security Office: including the Gestapo, SD and Kripo police agencies) and Stellvertretender Reichsprotektor (Acting Reich-Protector) of Bohemia and Moravia. He was the "right-hand man" to Himmler, and considered a principal architect of the Night of the Long Knives and the Final Solution.
Heydrich father was a Jew. Isn't it interesting.
Vladimir Zhirinovsky, like other Zionists and their lackeys including Putin, are not Russians. Their purpose is to convert Russia into a large Israel. These people are hating Slaves. These people are looking at Slavic Russians the same way white European were looking at native American Indians.
It appears that lately Zero-Hedge was subcontracted by Lubianka (the Soviet and now Russia State Security Head-quoter) to promote Putin's agenda!
Nonsense.
at least this time they are discussing it openly so that the whole world can watch it
Kudos to Zhirinovsky for this openness
HERE IS THE MAP OF UKRAINE ACCORDING TO ZHIRINOVSKY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWhAIoIDPIg
Jirinovski map is,what was Molotov-Ribentrop treaty.