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The Real Inflation Fear - US Food Prices Are Up 19% In 2014

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We are sure the weather is to blame but what happens when pent-up demand (from a frosty east coast emerging from its hibernation) bumps up against a drought-stricken west coast unable to plant to meet that demand? The spot price (not futures speculation-driven) of US Foodstuffs is the best performing asset in 2014 - up a staggering 19%...



h/t Bloomberg's Chase van der Rhoer


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Wed, 03/26/2014 - 10:23 | 4593528 Headbanger
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Because Obama!

And Pelosi cause she's from California!

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 10:25 | 4593544 Pladizow
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Could leed to a much needed, yet involentary diet for obese Americans?

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 10:25 | 4593547 TheMeatTrapper
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No, they will just switch to cheaper and cheaper filler crap in ever increasing quantities.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 10:28 | 4593567 kw2012
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Like North Korea.


Sawdust, dirt, tree bark. Grass if you are lucky.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 10:30 | 4593584 pods
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Can we get some Haitian mud cookies for dessert?


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 10:31 | 4593593 Richard Chesler
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Fair share motherfuckers.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 10:35 | 4593617 toys for tits
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I thought my local Aldi was just starting to get greedy by raising a gallon of milk to 3.09 until I see 4.50 for a gallon at Winn-Dixie.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 10:41 | 4593638 SafelyGraze
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food has the financial drawback that when you buy and hold, the later re-sale value is generally lower

sometimes even zero

long compost

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:12 | 4593803 krispkritter
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With milk and the like, not so with rice, beans, wheat, etc.  The foodstuffs I have may be worth more than my PM's if things go badly.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:31 | 4593910 Herd Redirectio...
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With food, you have to look for a reduction in either: Product size or product quality (almost impossible to know before buying, but one example, sausage when reduced in quality is inedible as far as I am concerned)

Only after the obvious steps of reducing product size (but not PACKAGING size) and quality does price get affected.

So... When the price goes up on top of these other two factors, you know its getting serious.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:51 | 4594013 toys for tits
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I've really noticed this in Breyer's ice cream over the past few decades.

First their quality has steadily deteriorated.

They then reduced their packaging to 1.75 quarts from a half gallon.

Now they have reduced their packaging again to 1.5 quarts.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 12:33 | 4594184 Cruel Aid
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In used to like baskin and robbins peanut butter and chocolate untill a year or so a go, they changed their recipe. They fluffed it up with some crap to make it lighter. It became marshmallow cream like. Bottom line is that it weighed less and the new ingredient was probably much cheaper than whatever was in the original. I called bullshit and have not dropped a fiver since. I now make my own with hagen daaz and skutters crunchy PB. Turns out it is better than the original!

To back up the story, its expensive.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 12:45 | 4594242 James_Cole
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Should say 'drought-stricken world.'

Impacts of agw are a bitch.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:11 | 4594357 Flakmeister
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Check this out

Hope you ain;t in the way of this Nor'easter...

Up to a 18" of snow and 80 knot winds...

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:55 | 4594904 Shocker
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Food Prices up 19%, that directly affects everyone... Doesn't matter income level.

The poor/ Middle class will again bear the brunt of pain.

Tough Economy -


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:58 | 4594919 Steve in Greensboro
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World ends.  Poor, middle class, minorities and women hardest hit.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:14 | 4594996 MarsInScorpio
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For ice cream, stick with Blue Bell. Still the same recipe, and the half-gallon is still a half-gallon.


Now then, what does this do to the 2% Inflation Big Lie?


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 16:22 | 4595439 DaddyO
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Gardens, Bitchez...

The best way to know the quality of the food you eat is to know who grew it.


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:49 | 4596138 remain calm
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If Obama gets hungry he can eat his dick

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 19:34 | 4596282 Supernova Born
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You can't fight, or be fed, by the Fed.

Fake money generating real food is a new attempted form of alchemy.

Food, the barbarous relic.

Eating food is merely a "tradition".


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 20:32 | 4596571 mjcOH1
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"Could leed to a much needed, yet involentary diet for obese Americans?"


I'm thinking more like a 20% EBT increase For....wait for it....For The Children.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 20:35 | 4596585 mjcOH1
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"I thought my local Aldi was just starting to get greedy by raising a gallon of milk to 3.09 until I see 4.50 for a gallon at Winn-Dixie."


And yet people bitch about a gallon of gas at $4.00....sucked from several thousand feet below ground, cooked out of a larger volume of crude with considerable energy, and shipped half way around the world by boat, train, pipeline, and truck.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 21:20 | 4596772 mt paul
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trans alaskan pipeline 10 miles east

refinery 12 miles west of here


close to the juice ..

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 16:05 | 4595329 Calmyourself
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Nor'easter caused by GW lols...

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 17:04 | 4595632 Flakmeister
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Who said that?

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:18 | 4595978 angel_of_joy
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Is that Global Warming, or Bush ?

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 17:37 | 4595790 lasvegaspersona
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as long as it is not a cross wind we should be fine...

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 17:56 | 4595868 SAT 800
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A Northeaster centered on the Canadian Maritime Provinces in March. Absolutely amazing; hasn't happend more than every other year for the last two hundred years. Obviously evidence of Global Warming; except, of course the actual global temperature remains unchanged. OH Well.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:21 | 4595991 Flakmeister
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Hey ding-a-ling,  nobody is claiming that this Nor'easter has anything to do with anything..

It was mainly a plug for some awesome graphics...

It would appear that you create strawmen in your sleep....

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:12 | 4594370 Fred Hayek
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The impacts of heliogenic global warming are even more of a bitch.

The temperature on the surface of Mars has gone up the last few years. 

One will have to strain mightily to create a theory of how shortsighted use of cars and industry on earth caused more carbon in the non-existent atmosphere of Mars and raised the temperature of the red planet.

One is left with only the sun to cite as a cause for the warming of Mars.  And if the sun radiated more heat to Mars, one is left with an exceptionally difficult argument to make in trying to say that the sun has not, similarly, radiated more heat onto Earth.  And then the whole AGW theory has a problem.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:22 | 4594401 Flakmeister
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Quit making shit up...

Mars has not been warming because of the sun...

Changes in albedo from dust storms are responsible...


The pictures revealed that in 1977 the surface was brighter than in 1999, and from this Fenton used a general circulation model to suggest that between 1977 and 1999 the planet had experienced a warming trend of 0.65 degrees C. Fenton attributed the warming to surface dust causing a change in the planet's albedo.


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:27 | 4594418 dontgoforit
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Oscar Meyer used to have a good beef hot dog - now my dog won't even eat them.  Ball Park now the best.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:30 | 4594430 Flakmeister
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Ok, whatever....

I all but gave up eating hotdogs years ago....

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:19 | 4594679 Four chan
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chicken is the new steak.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:41 | 4594818 cynicalskeptic
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cat food is the new chicken

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:42 | 4594824 Supernova Born
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McNugget singularity.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 21:24 | 4596790 mt paul
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eat more musk ox

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:26 | 4595074 TheMeatTrapper
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Take hotdogs and toughen them in the sun so they'll stay on a hook. Soak them in sun rendered fish oil and use them to catch some catfish. Best use for hot dogs I know of. Bait.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 17:58 | 4595878 SAT 800
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Good for you; now if you'd just give up typing; there would be that much less propaganda to put up with around here.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:16 | 4594660 83_vf_1100_c
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  KFC chicken here in TX is crap now. I swear they are slaughtering the birds as soon as they hatch. Lucky to get one good bite out of a drumstick. So, we quit buying from them. I'd love to raise my own but coyote packs arond here are problematic.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:28 | 4595087 TheMeatTrapper
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Dave Canterbury has a video on eating yotes. That's one animal I am hesitant to try; but in a pinch I'd do it in a heartbeat. There certainly is no shortage of them. Of course his was a prime northen speciman - not the mangy types we have down here. 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 20:24 | 4596539 Seer
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Use electronet fencing.  In the three years that I've had chickens and this fencing I have yet to lose a single bird (even had ducks behind it for quite a while) to coyotes even though I have plenty of coyotes around.  And while no single domestic dog is a match for a pack of coyotes, they can be a deterent: my dog is a good 85 lbs and could readily deal with a single coyote; I just hope it never encounters a pack...  My dog also runs off aerial predators.  Not bad for a non-purebred rescue...  (training, training, training...)

It's like the tip for when you go out hiking in bear country.  You don't have to outrun the bear, just the person you are with.  Always takes someone slower than yourself!  As long as others around you have easier pickings for their chickens and whatnot then yours are likely going to be passed up.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 21:21 | 4596780 Baldrick
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contact your local zoo, the one that has BIG cats, and ask if they will give/sell you some of the waste. NOTHING will enter your property except birds. NOTHING.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 21:19 | 4596768 usednabused
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Hey DGFI maybe your pooch got smarter as he got older? Something lots of people fail to do....

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:19 | 4595027 MarsInScorpio
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So we are supposed to take the conclusion of another Global Warming Alarrmist as true?


Yeah, and the Little Ice Age is irrelevent in discussing the ups and downs of the Earth's temperature - another Alarmist position.



Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:47 | 4595093 Flakmeister
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Psst... your Little Ice Age is completely understood once you take into account the sun and C02 levels....

Nothing mysterious about it...

Here is another take:

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 20:32 | 4596572 Seer
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Read John D. Hammaker's Survival of Civilization.   He does a great job in explaining how the glacial periods start (and why).

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 17:03 | 4595626 Seize Mars
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M'kay. Printing 90 billion a month of fake, dilutive currency has nothing to do with it, right? It's ... Global Warming!?

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 17:30 | 4595755 Flakmeister
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It would appear that you know even less about QE than you do about Climate Science...

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 21:27 | 4596803 mt paul
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those printing presses 

must get prety hot..

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:56 | 4594560 Wizard of Ozman
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I know what you are jiving about. I think the ingredient you are refering to is called AIR. It is much cheaper and lighter than both Peanut Butter or Milk. This ain't your Grandpa Ice Cream. Sucks

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 21:15 | 4596744 HardAssets
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I had a fast food craving this weekend and stopped by a small, local family owned drive in. Ordered two corn dogs (large, kosher dogs & hand dipped) and a chocolate malt. Price was over $10. I did a double check to make sure the totals were right and they were. Often a milkshake alone is around $ 5 today.

Naw, there's no price inflation.



Wed, 03/26/2014 - 16:28 | 4595479 Pee Wee
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So send Breyers a message and ditch them for those that don't cut costs (and you pay more).

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:52 | 4594021 Fukushima Sam
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Cellulose fiber is the next big food item; invest in sawmills.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 12:12 | 4594112 Herd Redirectio...
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Talk to Taco Bell, they will be a big customer.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 12:14 | 4594119 Who was that ma...
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Hey buddy, could you spare a hundred dollar bill so a fella could buy a cuppa coffee and a handful of sawdust?

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:19 | 4594681 jerry_theking_lawler
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Chemical cellulose has been on the menu for decades....entire business have been built around it.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:00 | 4594319 DadzMad
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I thought I was getting stronger the other day when the bag of dog food seemed lighter.  Turns out it has gone from 40 pounds to 37.5.  The price stayed the same so that's not inflation.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:05 | 4594600 Who was that ma...
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That's funny.  I found myself wondering how it would taste with a little gravy on it or some chili sauce.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:31 | 4594736 DadzMad
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Sirracha for everybody!

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 21:21 | 4596777 HardAssets
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We give our little dog these treats that come 10 in a package. About a year ago I opened a package and notice that these treats (that come in stick form) were considerably shorter than before. I thought that maybe a machine got out of whack on the production line so opened another package and found the same thing. Price went up a little bit, but the doggie treats are less. Even Fido gets ripped off.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 19:40 | 4596381 Buck Johnson
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I agree, and in many foods they have already gone both those routes and it's going the way of price now.  Do you truly believe everybody that Americans are ready for when their money and salaries can't buy enough for their families to eat, especially when 47 million people (white black etc. etc.) are on food stamps.  We are going to go nuts and crime will skyrocket not only in black neighborhoods but all others.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:13 | 4593808 Manthong
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Eating is highly over-rated.

There is a lot to be said for recycling fluids.

You have alternatives in the Brave NWO World.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:24 | 4593881 asteroids
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Hmmm. Hasn't Obozo cut back the food stamp program as well? Let's see, rising food prices, more people on food stamps, gasoline and health care going up. If you can find a job, it'll be part time too. Nope I don't see any problems here.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:30 | 4594431 dontgoforit
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Praise the Lord my 28 yr old son found full-time employment today with bennies!  We're celebrating with a can of Progresso (2-for-1) and some saltines!  It's all good.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:55 | 4594905 cynicalskeptic
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Companies are still screwing grads with the 'intern' scam.  Six months of minimal or no pay and then 'Good Luck' as they replace them with another intern.  Seems to be all about 'connections' in getting anything these days - and those near the top are the ones that have them - NOT the blue collar parents that scrambled to get a kid through college.  Two of our neighbors' kids spent 6 months to a year working for free on the promise of a full time spot than never came.  It's illegal but people are desperate and won't protest - plenty of others willing to do anything for 'experience'.

Competition for grad school slots is intense because more people are trying for graduate degrees that offer stipends  (better than NO job) but schools are also cutting back the number of slots with declining funding.  

Know a top school honors degree grad who wants to be a prof - already has research projects on his CV, amazing GPI - he's done everything right, someone that SHOULD be going on to teach because they're good at it.   He's hearing from PhD programs that they're reducing slots and simply don't have the money they used to.  They have a spot for next year but were rejected or waitlisted by schools they would have been a sure thing for in years past.  Plenty of classmates have nothing.  Advisors are shocked at how bad its gotten.


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:16 | 4595007 Manthong
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America is the land of opportunity.

Keys to success:

a. motivation and determination
b. sciences college degree
c. digs in mom and dad's basement
d. bus tables and wash dishes during day
e. Russian and Mandarin language school at night

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:23 | 4595055 Binko
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There should be a special circle in hell for people who hire workers, profit from their labor and pay them nothing. It doesn't matter if you call them "slaves" or "interns", it's the same mentality.


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:25 | 4596014 Upland27
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Interns are paid with experience, which is something low skilled workers won't get when the minimum wage is $15/hr

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 20:38 | 4596594 Seer
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Great!  Someone with a doctorate's will be able to intern at McDonalds! (programming robots to build hamburgers to sell to ???).

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:25 | 4596015 Upland27
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Interns are paid with experience, which is something low skilled workers won't get when the minimum wage is $15/hr

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:24 | 4595061 Skateboarder
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Advisors know nothing. They are so far removed from industry that the only thing they know is telling the lil' suckas which course path to take to fulfill degree requirements.

They also better shut up and maintain a 'keep calm and carry on' message, or risk getting the boot. You do know there is as much competition for advisor positions as there is for everything else.

Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, advise.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 20:40 | 4596602 Seer
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Excellent point!

It's no more than a sales job all the way down...

All caused by the belief that growth could be perpetual.  No amount of education/knowledge/brains can correct overlooking a poor premise.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:30 | 4595103 James_Cole
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Two of our neighbors' kids spent 6 months to a year working for free on the promise of a full time spot than never came.  It's illegal but people are desperate and won't protest - plenty of others willing to do anything for 'experience'.

I often wonder where it's all headed. Know someone living in a posh place in Manhattan, attending a nice ($$$$$) school and working as... yep! an intern! A 'prestigious' internship landed through connections, but an internship. Guess who's footing the bill for all this? Hint: not .gov. 

I've got a pet theory that all this anti-education / cutting funding / privatizing bullshit is orchestrated because rich parents are sick of having their lazy dumbass spawn compete toe to toe with motivated less wealthy kids. 

That and the simple fact there's nothing to gain for the ruling class to have a well-educated populace. 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 17:20 | 4595698 PT
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Re "I've got a pet theory that all this anti-education / cutting funding / privatizing bullshit is orchestrated because rich parents are sick of having their lazy dumbass spawn compete toe to toe with motivated less wealthy kids. " :

Agreed.  I came to the same conclusion when wondering why so many courses are no longer graded but simply marked "Competent" (passed) or "Not Yet Competent" (failed).  Someone in a position of power wanted little Johnny's grades to be indistinguishable from everyone else's. 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 21:32 | 4596827 HardAssets
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The attack on real education has been going on at all levels from grade school to university for a very long time, over a century. Its is based on the producation of compliant workers/citizens who cannot really think originally or for themselves or threaten the exisiting power structure.


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:41 | 4593962 LawsofPhysics
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I am still amazed by the utter lack of appreciation for how much energy is required to provide food to for 7+ billion people.


My current crisis is a lack of bees for my orchards.

I do typically hire beekeepers to put hives on my property.

having a hard time getting my usual sources to commit in advance.


I wonder if some of the unemployed would be willing to get on ladders, collect and dry pollen

and then act like bees (like folks do in China already)?

"Winning"  bitchez...

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:45 | 4593978 El Vaquero
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Mwahahahahaha!  I stood out under one of my peach trees and all of the bees sounded like rush hour traffic in a big city.   It's all free too!


(Sorry, I can't help myself sometimes.)

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:50 | 4594008 LawsofPhysics
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You would be surprised by how much even a few percent increase in "bee traffic" increases production.

more than covers the cost (yes, MATH still is important, despite what the lamestream media and "common core" tells you).

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:53 | 4594026 El Vaquero
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Barring a late freeze, I'm going to have to knock peaches off to stop branches from breaking.  I've never had a problem with having enough pollinators.  Now, retarded NM spring weather on the other hand...

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:13 | 4594372 stormsailor
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i love the sangre de christo mountains. i believe of all the places i have been on earth, that is the most tranquil, beautiful place i have ever had the privilege to be.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:29 | 4594424 artless
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@ el vaquero!

Feel free to box up all the peaches you want and send them fedex to me here in NYC. I'll figure out a way to pay for them if they are as good as the Texas peaches that seem to never make it up here. All we get is CA and GA amd some from NJ but none are as good as the Texas ones. Perhaps the NM strain are the same? 

Sometimes when I read stuff like this I question WTF I live in NYC.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:00 | 4595882 Buckaroo Banzai
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How anyone can live in NYC under the Wilhelm (aka deBlasio) administration is beyond me. Moved out a decade ago, and as of Jan 2014, I won't even visit NYC anymore.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:15 | 4595000 Yardfarmer
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cull the blossoms and save yourself a lot of trouble.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 20:45 | 4596621 Seer
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I love it when I see that someone knows their shit!

Can do this with lots of things, even tomatoes.  Helps promote better vigor in what you get.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 12:03 | 4594070 El Vaquero
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Jesus, who the fuck downvoted you for that?  I happen to live where there is enough in the way of pollinators.  Other's, not so much. 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 12:38 | 4594216 KickIce
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Hey, we can't be having discussions on people being self sufficient, all your food should come from Walmart.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:05 | 4594343 HoofHearted
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My wife has all the beekeeping equipment from when she was in 4-H. Our orchard is fine, and we get good raw honey out of the deal, much better than the processed Wal-Mart shit you could buy if you were a sucker. Plus, there is nothing like taking a pear that is just perfect off the tree and biting into it. OK, the honeycrisp apples are close, but peaches and apricots pale in comparison. Oh, I forgot about cherries...hopefully they will do something for us this year.

Great, just finished my frozen, heated up lunch and now I'm salivating over the thought of harvest with several months I'll have to wait!

Also, I'm noticing more people trying their hands at chickens this year. Maybe some people are getting the message, even if the message comes in more expensive foodstuffs...

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:14 | 4594379 El Vaquero
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We had a freeze that may or may not have killed some of my plums.  I'll have to wait to find out, because it hit right about the time the blossoms should have started falling off anyway.  Pears, apples and peaches all started blossoming aftereward, so I know they're fine.  But it's NM.  It's entirely possible to have 65f-80f days for a week, then have a cold front come in that brings it down to the 20s in the middle of April.  It happened last year. 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:25 | 4594413 PRO.223
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Mostly agree with you, but unlike most fruit which is the best hand picked at the peak of ripeness, pears don't ripen on the tree, they get hard spots and don't sweeten up.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:34 | 4594447 dontgoforit
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Chickens have been around here for quite a while, but I think you're right - folks are starting to figure things out.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:50 | 4594522 Miffed Microbio...
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You are truly fortunate El Vaq. We also have plenty of bees on our trees. However, Monsatan seems to be the primary reason why bees are disappearing. I've noticed viscious attacks from them on research pointing this out. Funny how they proposed their methods would feed the world and it is most likely be they will be the cause of famine.


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:02 | 4595890 Independent
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LOL guess you are blessed with some African honey bees.  Just be careful standing under the tree when in bloom ;)

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 12:28 | 4594164 RSloane
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I know you know more about bee keeping than I ever will Laws, but I took your advice and arranged weathered wood planks that were gently resting on each other with some planks horizontally in a row with more planks on top of them. I poured honey, sugar water, and clumps of hives over it that I bought from a farmer and got quite a few new bees out of it. I think the colony will grow this year. I don't mess with it other than to gently pour more sugar water on it when its been very dry. I'm not interested righrt now in harvesting the honey, I just want the bees on my property. And yes they do get drunk with certain flowers planted nearbye! Funniest thing I ever saw.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:11 | 4595933 Independent
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@ El Vaquero:  Hey El what city do you live in, if you don't mind me asking? Or rough geographical location.  Sounds like you got some fine soil where you are at, and nice growing conditions.

How is your water situation though.  Do you have a well?

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:45 | 4596112 El Vaquero
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I am in NM, and yes, I do have a well.  The water table at my location is roughly 6 feet, give or take, and the irrigation well is 32' deep.  I'm going to eventually put in a pitcher pump on a 1 1/4" well that I'll need to drive.  The growing conditions aren't always nice, however.  Last year, I got no peaches (or any other fruit, except for strawberries) due to a late frost.   Then we had the second hottest June on record with zero precipitation and brutal sun, followed up with a storm in July that literally hit with the force of a category 1 hurricane and dumped 2.5" of rain and hail in under an hour.  I didn't have toads in my back yard after that, I had frogs.  It almost ripped some of my squash plants out of the ground, put holes in the foliage of everything and lodged all of my corn right after it had tassled. Last year was brutal, and if it survived to go to seed, it was resiliant.  


Being at 5000 feet altitude, I always have to pay attention to where the seeds originally came from.  Seeds that where the producer reccomends full sun may do best here in partial sun if the seeds were produced in, say, Oregon. 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 12:11 | 4594104 CrazyCooter
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You seem to have a pretty level head about things ... do you have an opinion on the bee problem? I know hives have been collapsing, but I haven't done any real digging on the subject as I have enough irons in the fire.

This is a serious issue I think most people don't appreciate.

I kind of have a gut feel that the GMO stuff is probably killing them off, but that seems it would be pretty easy for a university team to replicate.

Just fishin for some insights ...



Wed, 03/26/2014 - 12:15 | 4594121 El Vaquero
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Everything I've read points to it being a multitude of things all at once.  I've not studied it in depth though. 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:00 | 4594180 Flakmeister
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Its a combination of things, including unintended effects of fungicides

Here is the original research article

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:16 | 4595012 Overfed
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It seems that the prevalence of GMO, pesticides, fungicides, etc. is causing bees to lose much of their natural defenses to various fungi, bacteria, and mites. Nosema and Varroa are pretty problematic in my neck of FEMA region X.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:44 | 4596103 Ceylon tea
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People are developing hygenic strains of bees now that are able to pick the varroa mites off.

The main cause of bee die off is reduced immune system responce combined with varroa mite infestation


Queen Nuc'ing is going to be very profitable this season

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 20:12 | 4596490 Overfed
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Dusting them with powdered sugar will induce them to pick the mites off other adults, the real problem is varroa on the larvae. Do you do a lot with bees? I'm starting over after losing my hive.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 19:22 | 4596300 Calmyourself
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I am unhappily surprised flak evryone knows bees are being decimated by GW even James Hansens NASA says so your losing your touch, I am starting to doubt...


Here is a nice big list of things represented in "science journals" as being casued by GW, you know so you never run short of "peer reviewed" talking points, first on the list two contenders..

Amazon dry season greener
Amazon dry season browner

Yes, it causes both... 



Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:06 | 4594261 LawsofPhysics
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Many of the pesticides are now known to inhibit essential functions.  The pesticides are probably the biggest contributor, but other chemical contributors may be related to all kinds of other human activities.

The "mites" are not a problem. My bee keeper sprinkles powdered sugar on his bees from time-to time and as they clean themselves off, they pick off the mites, which fall out of the bottom of his screened hives.

Most other bee keepers I know use oxalic acid and simply except a certain colony loss.



Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:36 | 4594458 dontgoforit
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Colony collapse is rampant here in GA.  UGA has entire labs working on it.  As go the bees, so goes humanity.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 20:53 | 4596650 Seer
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Well, not all is lost, as there are quite a few pollinators out there.  It's just the that the honeybee is extensively used in commerical operations.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:01 | 4594296 Tall Tom
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That chart of Food Prices is an Exponential Growth Chart.


In any adiabatic system Exponential Growth leads to an Exponential Collapse.


If the chart is due to speculation then the Price will collapse as the investor/speculator realizes that it cannot continue. (The article states that this is not the case.)


If the chart is due to an actual shortage of supplies then the price will collapse due to mass starvation which will lower the demand for food.


Either way you can expect that the price of food will collapse at some point as Exponential Growth is unsustainable.


The simple version...WE ARE SO FUCKED.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:10 | 4594355 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, either way, unless the population (which has and is growing exponentially) drops significantly, either scenario leads to starvation.  People need to eat, so as long as the population continues as it has, there will be plenty of real demand.


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 20:55 | 4596663 Seer
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Economies of scale in reverse.  Prices are relative, it's margins that matter and economies of scale in reverse will really screw with margins.  Margin loss will eventually wipe out many companies, then entire industries...

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:23 | 4594396 Ghordius
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Laws, you are not being complete in your assessment of how much energy is required to provide food for 7+ billion people. I wrote this before for knuckles, focussing only on meat



correct. knukles is again at that old thing about consumption, the finite planet and so on. a fine point wielded like a club

consumption is relative. and overconsumption is... cultural. have a look here at those meat consumption statistics

the average American consumes  31 kg of pork,    49 kg of chicken and   45 kg of beef in one year   (total: 125 kg)

the average   Briton    consumes  25 kg of pork,    28 kg of chicken and      19 kg of beef in one year     (total:  72 kg)

the average  German   consumes 58 kg of pork,  15 kg of chicken and      15 kg of beef in one year     (total:  88 kg)

and this goes down, down, down to countries where people live a healthy life, have good food, and yet their total meat consumption per year is... around 10 kg

and then even further down

now if you know how much food/energy is necessary to produce meat instead of other edible things, and how different the types of meat are in this calculation... you start to realize that it's a problem due to a mix of a quantity, quality and culture


in short, if we would all become vegetarians... then this planet would have space for way more people (you farm nuts, don't you? long nuts)

yet this would also apply if we would eat a... sensible amount of meat (not as the 3 examples above)

of course, the energy discussion... is even more complex

why does US agrobiz want us europeans to eat unlabeled GMO food, btw? which has to be shipped over? it's not as if we would not have lots and lots of food production here


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:07 | 4594608 vortmax
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I've noticed the US media hasn't been saying much about Porcine Epidemic Diarrhea virus, now confirmed in 27 states with as many as 5 million hogs dead in the past year. 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:44 | 4594834 KickIce
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Good find, I've seen it mentioned on an ag forum I visit.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:46 | 4596117 Ceylon tea
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Long pork

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:29 | 4595092 Overfed
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Malthus would be proud.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 16:38 | 4595531 LawsofPhysics
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Your analysis ignores the energy required by natural cycles (that we manipulate) to simply get elements in the correct oxidation state in order to be utilized by plants... 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 21:01 | 4596688 Seer
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"in short, if we would all become vegetarians... then this planet would have space for way more people (you farm nuts, don't you? long nuts)"

Do you not understand why humans are omnivores?  Try selling this notion to folks in the polar regions.

There are plenty of places where growing crops just doesn't work very well and that growing animals does.

Lots of places that grow grains for animals wouldn't necessarily be that great for growing other stuff.  Not that I'm a big fan of grain-fed, but this is just the facts.

At one point there wasn't any concern with producing meat.  Now there is.  To say that the same woudn't happen to producing vegetables/crops is at odds with logic.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 21:30 | 4596813 tip e. canoe
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and to riff off of seer's point, if there were a large scale adoption of Savory/Salatin-style pasture rotation, the same amount of beef could be raised on a fraction of the land and inputs and have healthier happier animals, leading to healthier happier people.

perhaps it's not what we eat ghordy, it's how it's raised/grown/treated/cultivated...

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 03:37 | 4597604 Ghordius
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I am omnivore too, even with a meat consumption five times smaller than the average American and four times smaller than the average Briton or German

I'm not trying to bring Malthus in the mix or saying we have to become all vegetarians, just trying to state facts. and it's a fact that the average Westerner eats way too much meat for his health. as you said, we are omnivores. not carnivores

and eating this kind of amounts of meat does require multiples of resources. it's a question of balance

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 15:13 | 4594605 Creeps
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I have family that is in the bee business.  They have reduced their hive count down 20% to 8k and are not planning on replacing the hives, but are planning on doing more with wax filtering.  So I wonder who / what is going to pick up the shortfall of those collapsed hives?  Sad times are coming.  On the brighter side I'm getting my first nuc this summer.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:34 | 4594451 mt paul
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bytches be eating too much anyhow..

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:27 | 4596019 StillSilence
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Yes a person wouldn't even need water stored for SHTF survival purposes if they adopted urine usage. I have a feeling most could go at least a few months consuming nothing but. Might even get much healthier....Make a 20oz (weight, not fluid capacity, although it could be both) cup of gold to piss in and you are perfectly portable if the situation would actually ever present itself.....Maybe that's your holy grail right there; urine out of your golden chalice. Body and finances both protected and free to roam.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 19:03 | 4596203 lunaticfringe
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Sign on septic tank truck: Yesterday's Meals on Wheels.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 10:41 | 4593642 Dollarmedes
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Voters are gonna love this shit come November, and whether Democrats are responsible or not won't matter; they will be blamed.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:12 | 4593804 Quus Ant
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Voting?  Democrats?  Republicans? 

Children do love their games, don't they.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:21 | 4593856 RevRex
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The Socialist Semite Democrat media does a great job convincing idiots that both parties are the same.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:25 | 4593887 Quus Ant
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They do a great job convincing you your vote matters. Congratulations, citizen, you get to choose which brand of psycho will administrate the war.

Here's a sticker to show what a good citizen you are.  Now get back to work. 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:25 | 4593889 ParkAveFlasher
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They are indeed different.  One is red, the other is blue.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:36 | 4593928 Quus Ant
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Give a people their choice of death and they will happily ride to hell rejoicing.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:52 | 4594019 cro_maat
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This is why you can switch sides in all of the death = more points video games. Once you have killed a few hundred thousand of your favorite video enemy you are ready to command a drone center in Pakistan.

Nature needs more human compost apparently.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:21 | 4593854 Gert_B_Frobe
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Silly poster. Come September a gallon of gas will be hovering around the $3 mark and the prices on consumables will be drastically slashed ... allowing for the "hey, it's not sooo bad" to sink in b4 November.

And as far as the "Givs me dat" voting block, well, as long as they have them stamps and phones and other reparations ...

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:58 | 4594049 Wahooo
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Huh?  Everyone knows it's the fault of the greedy supermarket chains. They're raping us!

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 10:52 | 4593693 Dr. Richard Head
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I remember in 2008 talking to my neighbor about food inflation coming.  He said, "Talk to me when milk hits $5."  Looks like we will be having that conversation again.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:20 | 4593850 quasimodo
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It's really bad if you give your kids organic. Almost five bucks for a HALF gallon.

Needless to say they don't drink as much as most kids do, and if it stays in the glass after supper it goes right back in the fridge for later.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:22 | 4593865 RevRex
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Organic foods are for the mentally challenged

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:52 | 4594017 LawsofPhysics
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Hold on, could someone please define "organic".  I know or many extremely toxic/cacenogenic chemicals that are produced by non-GMO plants, all complete "organic", all completely guarranteed to fuck you up.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 12:32 | 4594177 RSloane
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Preach it, Laws! The only thing you know for sure is organic is the food you grew and harvested. Around here in the Great Republic of Maryland 'organic' means someone put a lable saying "Organic" on their food and charging a hella lot more. No one bothers to check if its really organic or not.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:10 | 4594356 HoofHearted
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We do raw milk rather than any organic pasteurized stuff. And it's amazing to drink real milk after you have had that plastic tasting crap for so long. Then you go someplace and get the plastic milk again and say, "Nevermore." 

$7.50 per gallon (with a cowshare to get around Monsanto BS) here in flyover country and worth it completely. 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:12 | 4594366 LawsofPhysics
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"The only thing you know for sure is organic is the food you grew and harvested." - sure, so long as you have a complete and acurrate chemical analysis of all the compounds that are in the soil, air, and water...


I seem to remember seeing a study showing that even native people in remote areas have a substantial amount of plasticizers in their blood...


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:52 | 4594022 Quus Ant
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So your great grandparents were retarded? 

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:56 | 4594562 Abitdodgie
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I have changed my take on GMO ,I like them you see they get rid of stupid people because they are the only ones stupid enough to eat them.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 12:41 | 4594227 aphlaque_duck
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I'm paying $11/gal for raw milk at the farm.

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 13:56 | 4594563 Miffed Microbio...
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Try raw Jersey milk. Generally $8/qt. my mother in law nearly pissed herself when she saw this at our local natural food store. She used to siphon milk out of bulk tank on her Jersey farm for $3/gal in the late 70s. Food Inflation? Nah.


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 16:22 | 4595441 TheMeatTrapper
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Just stay away from Russian cheese:

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 18:12 | 4595941 Miffed Microbio...
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YIKES! So funny how idiots can't resist the temptation to take pictures of themselves doing this sort of thing. I guess you just can't fix stoopid. Tx for the laugh.


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 21:44 | 4596878 Creeps
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Is raw milk that much better in taste and quality?  I remember as a kid going to my great aunt's farm and hating the stuff, mostly because it was warm. <shudder>  I know a few in the CrossFit community swear by the stuff, but what say you?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:30 | 4599000 Miffed Microbio...
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Much better but you must get a good quality source. When my husband first tasted commercial pasteurized milk he spat it out. Said it tasted horribly rotten with a chemical after taste. I really didn't know what he meant until now. We don't have much dairy in our diets but occasionally buy a qt of raw jersey milk and some raw cheese. I can see how a good grass fed raw milk would appeal to the Crossfit community.


Wed, 03/26/2014 - 20:02 | 4596456 andycrazn
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then you have to wait til milk hits $10 dollars for him to give a crap

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:32 | 4593914 Mr Pink
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Hormones ain't cheap!

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 11:50 | 4594010 laomei
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Hate to break it to ya, but what aldi sells should hardly be considered "food".

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 14:36 | 4594786 LFMayor
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Very true!  Know a guy and his brother who bought some Aldi's  "hamburger" this past year to use at their deer camp (trailer).  Tried to fry it up, the shit just kept cooking down, cooking down, smaller and smaller.  They did not heed the warnings and ate it anyways.  Next morning, younger brother was doubled up, laying on the ground when he tried to run back to camp to take a dump, the pain was so bad.

They must have used some fucking amatia mushrooms as filler in that shit... 

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