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Half Of Uninsured Say They Plan To Remain Uninsured
With the hours counting down to the latest deadline for open enrollment for Obamacare coverage, it appears the administration needs more keg-standing bro's, easy women, and twerking Richard Simmons to get the message out. A new survey by Kaiser finds 6 out of 10 unaware of the deadline. When reminded of the mandate and the deadline, half of those without coverage as of mid-March say they think they will remain uninsured.
Some other key findings from the report include:
- A stunning 67% of those uninsured between the ages of 18 and 64 say they have not tried to obtain healthcare insurance in the last six months
- Unfavorable views of the law continue to outpace favorable ones, the gap between negative and positive views now stands at eight percentage points
- A third of those who lack coverage as of mid-March are unaware that the law requires nearly all Americans to have health insurance or pay a fine
Perhaps this sums it up best...
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Obviously half of America doesn't know how to use a computah.
Hey....how did I get here?
Once you start to think like these asswipes, you realize from their point of view right now they fucked up from the get go.
Rather than the person having to affirmatively sign up, they should have automatically signed everyone up and just bill them annually in their tax return.
Someone in O’s circle of trust is thinking that right now and talking about how to make it happen.
/s?
"If you want to keep your uninsurance, you can keep your uninsurance."
I am in the majority-wow, that is a first...
i just used my free healthcare-i wiped my ass with a frn...
Wait until the 40% who are uninsured figure out what their premiums will be. We'll see if they remain uninsured.....
If I knew how to register I would have went to college. Was I supposed to do something?
Don't joke, its in the Emanual DNA. It has been discussed!
You perhaps?
You caught me!
My name is David Axlerod and I'm here to help!
"Someone" is Hilary, post 2016 election if gets the chance. The "how" will be "the ACA and former Pres Obama, made a huge mess, we've got to fix it for the poor suffering citizens", so the Gov't will insure and pay for everyone. Voila, single payer, the end game realized. Go back you say?...just like Czarist Russia, they murdered the Czar and entire family so there was no going back, same as US Health Care, totally trashed by ACA and no longer exists... They think in decades while others think in days/weeks/months..or election cycles.... Its all been done historically elsewhere.
This is not my beautiful house. This is not my beautiful wife.
Same as it ever was!
You can say that again.
Same as it ever was!
This ain't no party, this ain't no disco
I was using my Netscape browser and AOL account to look up on the interweb how to trim some hedges around my house and ended up on this site. Do I click on the back button or just exit my browser or do I have to reboot my computer? Zero Hedge? What a silly name for a website. Why would anyone want zero hedges when they can just pull them out by the roots?
Hah, newbie. I used my gopher net.
Only half? More like 80%. Most Millennials even have a problem with computers. You'd think, being weened on the Internet that they, at least, would know. It is not true.
None of the common folks have health insurance. Some have "the illusion of health insurance", but no one really has health insurance.
Get sick and you find out the only real insurance you have is it is "insured" that you will go broke trying to pay premiums, copays, deductables, etc. Slaves forever...
A surprising number of people think that HTML is an STD!
I do know how to use a computer and it's a confusing mess....
Internet is a great porn tool.
Bitchez
Harry Reid needs help getting dressed every morning. Can't the mob in Nevada come up with somebody who doesn't drool?
if you like your uninsured
you can keep your uninsured
somebody had to say it ..
Fine, let's just get this over with and go nationalized single-payer already. We all know it's coming, so let's just get this shit-show over with.
And if you don't down-vote me for that comment, I will be very disappointed.
Good morning Lone Junkster.
That's the plan. The gov needs a new revenue stream to raid now that Social insecurity has been bled dry.
Yep the other streams were based on employment. Now with ACA not having a job isn't an excuse. You don't want insurance, uncle sam still says "Fuck you pay me".
Tell Uncle Sam to go see Paulie about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydqjqZ_3oc
The next government revenue stream will be an asset tax. Retirement accounts, real estate, personal property, whatever. They're killing off any meaningful employment, so they only have one place left to go on the individual level- assets. On the business level it will be a VAT tax.
On the private level it will be a red line tax.
Exactly. It's pitifully, painfully obvious at this point. Entirely predictable, intentional, inevitable failure of ACA will be transmuted into justification AND impetus for single-payer. That was the plan, that remains the plan. Only a matter of time.
I can't afford it - and I'm not going to pay for birth control and abortions.
I bought my own condoms and paid for my vasectomy, thank you very much.
Generic birth control pills are $8 per month. I don't understand why this is such a big deal for women. I thought you liberated yourselves? Now you go on the government dole over $8 a month? Pretty pathetic.
Too bad vasectomies were not covered over in Kenya, a while back.
Too bad Obama's mom didn't practice what Obama does, swallowing.
We may not know how to use the Internet, but at least we know identity theft is bad.
Obama-doesnt-care is a real embarresment for libtards and government in general. You would think people would learn by now...if you want to make a problem worse, get government involved. Sadly, the mindless voters will beg for more government after this completley fails.
Well, the "How to cast your vote" cards passed out by the Unions will ensure a continuation of the same.
""How to cast your vote" cards passed out by the Unions"
To be honest, as a member of the IBEW for the last 12 years, I have never gotten one of those.
There is a real conundrum with union membership though - as you improve your wage standings, you tend to become more conservative in your outlook - instead of more liberal. Once you start making more money, you pay more taxes and realize that you really haven't gained much overall. The truly fiscal conservative views of our local membership puzzles the snot out of the regional and national directors.
Oh, and since I am in a right-to-work state, you probably wonder why I am a member? Well, I like to be able to vote on our contract. Quibbling over tiny, insignificant points is a waste of time and money, and doesn't help our cause in the long run. Just the basics for me. You gotta pay if you want your say. I guess that is why I am also in support of some type of poll tax. If you get an earned income credit (more back than you pay in) you are not qualified to cast a vote on how to spend the tax money I send in.
On a more subtle note, it looks like my employer is mulling a bankruptcy. Sure are a lot of frowny faces in the big boss offices!
We don't actually get a vote on how our tax dollars are spent. We only get to vote on our representation. Our representatives do get to vote on how our tax dollars are spent - that is how it was set up in the constitution. Sadly, however, our elected representatives no longer represent their constituants, but are the bought and paid for property of other entities with interests that are often inimicable to the taxpayers. One of my senators, for instance, represents the interests of the State of Israel. That is not even the worst problem. They are also subject to the blackmail of the government alphabet agencies that spy on them relentlessly, appear to be involved in some sort of internicine struggle for dominance and are quite beyond the surly bonds of oversight. This is a cancer that battens on all branches of government. The interests of, lets say the NSA, as they seem to have the upper hand, are clearly not the interests of the people, and the needs of the NSA continue to grow and will continue to grow until all sustainance is diverted to maintaining the cancer in perfect health while the rest of the body politic is dying.
there is no deadline.....all a person has to do is claim "hardship" and they get an extension.
this admin is shiftier than oscar pretorias on a windy day.
THIS ^^^
"...half of those without coverage as of mid-March say they think they will remain uninsured."
Resist (come on in, the water's fine).
They will just get a bigger stick.
insert comment about beating a dead horse here...
Walk tall and carry a big...oh nevermind.
They're making a Corvette into a go-cart. The people that need health insurance can't afford health insurance, whether it's government sponsored or private. Government sponsored just means it won't work and it will cost more - just all the other schmucks in the room have to pay for it.
Blood from a stone, probably was originally water from a stone and then a certain story in a certain book blew that one apart.
For the haven't-had-their-morning-coffee-yet crowd, the people who don't have health insurance can't afford it at any price. It's like the pot laws, everyone who wants to smoke pot already does, legality notwithstanding.
Probably a million pages of laws have been put on the books, and even if there were a million pages more human nature dictates that creature comforts will come long before compliance.
When the unwilling are aligned with the unable there will be a majority, you heard it here first.
Well, our ERs are still filled with plenty of people who cannot pay. No one is being turned away. Nobody is lying in the street dying for lack of care. It appears government mandates work. So I guess they should mandate Walmart and McDonalds dispense their crap free of charge and take this to the next level.
As a low level bench tech microbiologist I am just amazed every day I go to work and see it still working.
Miffed;-)
While I applaud anyone who can work with the sick and injured unwashed masses, I have to differ with you on a couple of points:
1. People are lying in the street dying, always have been, always will be. I am ashamed to admit I've seen them and not intervened, and I am not alone.
2. There are many people getting free crap already, the future is now.
On one point I agree completely, I have no idea why it's still working either.
Unrelated: I saw the geese flying noisily north this morning (47th parallel).
True. No time (except today)was there not death and suffering visible to all daily. This observation let Buddha to The Truth of dukkha (suffering, anxiety, unsatisfactoriness) All beings must experience suffering and pain at some point in their lives, including the inevitable sufferings of illness, aging and death. This was a statement of fact not a judgement.
However, today in this country we have been shielded from this reality. Few here have seen or experienced it. Personally, I myself have not except in a modern clinical setting. My brother walking in Calcutta has experienced it in the raw "classical" sense. One is different for the experience.
Somewhat related: I was invited to participate in the burial of a baby found dead this Saturday at the Garden of Innocents. They named him Paul.
Miffed;-)
You know, as more and more of us realize what crap the internet and all of our gagets truley are and we slowly pull away from what little of society is left, the less we'll know about. Sometimes, it's a good thing. Not everyone is "connected" especially in very poor rural areas of our "exceptional" country.
Maybe the Administration should consider sending our flyers using the USPS so we can stay informed...you know, the snail-mail system? Kinda help them out a bit?
This is not stunning or amazing to me at all. They wanted an ignorant society through design, it looks like they finally got one. It is a double-edged sword for those governments that only wish to have people at an 8th grade reading level and who live blissfully ignorant lives. For example, not knowing how many senators there are per state, what the 1st amendment is and now that there is a law for healthcare insurance which somehow has to be complied with.
Come to think of it, if they decide to send PSA flyers, they better keep that language very damn simple.
George Carlin _ "Obedient workers people who are just smart enough..." .
When we start to deny treatment....like if an ambulance takes you to a hospital..but if you do not have insurance they say bye bye....then and only then will people start to buy insurance...I live in a country like that where the hospitals can turn away uninsured....or cant pay up front.it happens quite a bit in a motorcycle accident.....
I think that you are right. It will affect both sides of the aisle.
The first time a hospital is publicized about about regecting a guy who dies in the entryway to the ER,people will start thinking realistically about the issue.Right now it is the lobbiests controlling everything....
death by decree
That's easy, just get a bigger bike.
Pay the Canadians to manage our national healthcare system. Their government seems to be more competant. They put marijuana in schedule 3 instead of schedule 1, they're allowed to grow hemp for industrial purposes, they don't freak out when men want to bang each other, bribery is illegal up there, they don't have private prisons, they haven't had a bank failure since the 1920s, and the world doesn't hate them as much.
They still come to the US for major procedures. They're going to have to go to the Caribbean after the transformation....which is going to make it a tad more expensive.
The vast majority here don't care if men bang men either, they object to them and their children being forced to accept it as normal run of the mill behavior. See, first it was "what business is it of yours what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom" now the bar has been moved into "if you are a cake maker and refuse to make a cake for two fudgepackers because it offends you the government will force you to pay a $75,000 fine"
why insurer? i never ever thrust an insurance cia. even least that they would pay equitatly. Ask Spitzer and AIA, GS and Buffod they know about insurance
When they start teaching how to use the computah on Duck Dynasty then I may learn.
Get your EXACT Obamacare penalty amount here: http://obamacarefee.com There you input your IRS filing status, estimated 2014 income and number of dependents to get a very accurate Obamacare fine. ZH readers are going to pay through the nose. Either that or be classed as a terrorist by DHS.
Those prescription discount cards that fall out of the magazines count as health insurance, right?
Right!
Married filing jointly, one dependent, well over median income= $597 for the full year.
Not exactly earth shaking.
I think it is crap that SCOTUS let it stand, but that might pay one month's insurance premium for my family; so $597 to pay the fine vs. $7164 to pay that amount in premiums for one year, plus deductibles and co-pays or co-insurance if you actually have enough medical expenses to use your insurance.
With an individual deductible of $5K and a family deductible of $10K we would have to have medical expenses over $17,164 before the insurer loses a dollar.
Foreward!
so this gets interesting, unless like syria, the voices get heard. think this will be an issue on the ballet come fall-ya think!
guess there is some hope...
On Facebook, I had a friend post some fucking meme about socialism with a quote from Steinbeck. She basically posited that capitalism has failed and we need to be more socialistic. I destroyed her. Being a poli-sci guy and soon to be much more, I took her through reality from other countries where folks were decimated. I also preemptively destroyed her, "Oh but look at Norway!" thoughts. The point is, the liberal mind - actually they possess nothing of classical liberalism - does not take into account human fucking nature. If the theory seems sound, obviously its implementation will easily surpass all obstacles of us humans such as laziness, obstinance....HUMANS ARE LAZY. They will not do something just because some brain trust cocksucker can conceive of it in their mind. You see this in this piece of shit law. It will fail and we will be forced into single payer and the suck will really begin. Grab the KY boys and girls cuz the butthurt is coming.
one deranged mind at a time- 6 billion, 499 million 101 to go...
If the purpose of the law is to extort money illegally from the people and funnel to the insurance industry and big pharma then it is working perfectly. The law will also serve as a foot in the door so to speak. The Fascist free for all has begun.
norway, haha, yea if was only jed clampet...
but derka derka...it works in Norway...derka derka.
YES BECAUSE THEY ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENT AND NOT 17 FUCKING TRILLION IN DEBT.
crickets
what happens when the oil runs out-a nation of worthless peoples that will turn on the printer...
send in the Muslimmigrants!
Rake+Hoe+Shovel+Seeds+Land+Sun+Water=Health Care.
Heck of a lot cheaper and much better for you than going to see a quack for every little ailment you might have.
Got a cold? Sneeze, chicken soup. Cut yer finger? Slap a bandage on it. Diabetes? Cut out the cheetos and ho-hos and eat more broccoli and eggplant, fatso. Heart attack, cancer? Die already. 80% of heath care is just keeping old people alive. Not that there's anything wrong with that (I'm 60, BTW), but when you get really ill, why have the hospitals and the government take all your remaining assets just to keep you on drugs and in some form of suspended misery? Just fucking die, already. I'm prepared, but, then again, I was a Boy Scout.
Man up, bitchez!
my healthcare is purchased at the coop! my healthcare is maintained on a bike.
pretty goddamn simple. got healthcare? GO GET IT-NOT TO FUCKING HARD!
now if i could get my head screwed on correct:)
I'm reminded of an old Indian story. Supposedly it's thousands of years old.
An old indian Grandfather said to his grandson. "My Son there are two wolves fighting inside you. One is hardworking industrious and seeks to better himself by gaining knowlege and wisdom." "The other is lazy, stupid mistakes his feelings for reality and constantly complains he can't get ahead in life despite making no real effort to do so." "Which one will win Grandfather?" the young man asked. "Oh that's easy!" the grandfather replied. "The Lazy stupid wolf, He'll attack the other wolf for being greedy claim he's a racist and hates women and then out-breed him by 10-1 while demanding the other wolf pay for his pups."
The young brave hung himself in his teepee that night.
The End
People don't like being annoyed with obnoxious bullshit; who knew?
I just flat out refuse to comply.
yup...... i ain't ever going to the hospital or doctors office again & if i do, i'll pay the doctor with a chicken, like the old days. in 1974 it only cost $3 to go into the G.P. office (general practitioner for all you young people) . no one went broke if they were ill. in fact, way back when, the LOCAL HOSPITAL WAS CONSIDERED A COMMUNITY SERVICE. a few years ago i hurt my leg & after 3 painful days i went to the E.R. on a weekend. i have insurance, & my bill was still $800 ! NO MORE. I DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME ANYMORE. looks like i'm out of the system & like my grandparents, when it comes time to die, it's in my own home. the MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX needs to be cut down to size.
I cut my thumb and thought I might need stitches. We don't have any urgent care centers anymore, or GPs. The urgent care centers all closed down and told people to go to the ER.
Didn't need stitches, but waited an hour and a half bleeding on my shirt, and received some super glue and a band aid.
Total bill $1700 and my portion was $400.
I know lot of people that don't go to the doctor for things they need to have done because they are afraid of how much it will cost. Then you have the fucking dermatologists so backed up with botox appointments that they can't ever see a patient for something real. Got a mole that looks really bad, well you'll be dead waiting the year and a half it takes to get an appointment.
I'm losing my health insurance because one company I work for is going to turn everyone into consultants and 1099 us. Now I can keep my plan but I'll have to pay the entire premium, which is $1400 per month. Sorry can't afford that. I can buy a premium through Obamacare with a $15k deductible for $1250 per month. Sorry, can't afford that either.
Besides I would never use $1250 in health care every month, so I'd just be paying for other people. Sure if I go to the doctor it will cost me $120, but that is a lot less than $1250.
Most rational people have figured out that insurance is a scam and they are only paying premiums to cover the chronic abusers of the health care system, the major chronic abuser being the health care system itself.
The flaw of Obamacare was that it showed people the full cost of their health insurance. Most people assumed that when they were paying $300 a month that was their entire premium. Most people don't know that the company they work for is paying the bulk of the premium. Insuring a worker always cost $1200, but now people are seeing that full bill for the first time and it is shocking to them.
Of course that flaw was put there on purpose to shock people into begging the government to do something about it. That thing being single payer.
I do have another plan for Obama to roll out. Since the premium for health insurance is equal to a 30 year mortgage on a $200k house, you buy a premium through Obamacare you get a government owned home for free. People will enroll in Obamacare and the government can wind down Fannie and Freddie ridding themselves of the shadow home inventory. EVERYBODY WINS!!!
You might want to consider comparing the cost of the ObamaCare policy versus something like Medishare.
See this article about the exemption from the individual mandate and mutual aid societies whose members are exempt from the IRS penalty because of their participation. The cost of their medical coverage may be significantly cheaper IF you have to pay for health insurance.
How Matt Drudge (and Other Obamacare Victims) Can Escape the “Liberty Tax”
http://www.openmarket.org/2014/03/25/how-matt-drudge-and-other-obamacare-victims-can-escape-the-liberty-tax/
The good news — for Drudge and other Americans who don’t want to buy an Obamacare-compliant plan due to personal objections or just plain cost — is that in many cases there is a practical escape hatch from the IRS penalty. And this option may end up offering better and more affordable care than Obamacare. The only catch is you’ve got to have a little faith.
Buried in Section 1501 on page 148 of the so-called Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is an exemption from the individual mandate for a “health care sharing ministry,” a group whose members “share a common set of ethical or religious beliefs and share medical expenses among members in accordance with those beliefs.” For any member of such group, the law says, “No penalty shall be imposed.”
Read the whole article.
IF a significant portion of uninsured Americans choose this route, it will effectively kill ObamaCare because the premiums of those (victims) forced to hold ObamaCare policies will skyrocket, i.e. the subsidies paid out by the government obtained by stealing it from other policy holders (victims), because there will be an ever diminishing number of ACA victims to victimize for those subsidies. The American people through collective action can kill off this program by civil disobedience, you have a choice not to be a victim.
BTW- ObamaCare is an insidious Faustian Bargain designed to destroy your right to benefit from the product of your labors and free willingly decide without coercion how much and how hard you will labor. The premise of that bargain is in order for you to have cheaper insurance, you agree that taking money from another person is ok for you but not for them. The result is slavery. Is the subsidy you receive for cheaper insurance a moral right by you to deny the chronically ill (like people with cancer) prescription drugs whose cost would eat into your subsidy? Do you have a moral right to enslave another person (force them to labor for you at their cost) because you think you don’t have to pay for something or get a discount?
Joint medical savings accounts basically. The problem is that one or two people who have heart attacks would drain the joint account completely.
The issue isn't how to pay for medical bills, it is why the medical bills are so high to begin with. The insanity of $1200 per hour for a hospital room has got to stop.
Impeach the Democrats.
In addition to the government trying to strong arm me into funding the big pharma machine, I just got shafted by WM (waste management). It seems the old days of mob run garbage tactics are alive and well.
These bastards sent out a cleverly disquised piece of junk mail over a year ago and that was your one chance to opt out. They "lobbied" local commissioners and passed a local law that all are required to participate. It is only 4 bucks a month now but like Obama care the sky will eventually become the limit.
Of course these companies have a proven history of dumping their "recycled" material in land fills but that is beside the point, people are idiots. Save the children!
I think yur medication is starting to wear off!
Sad to see America destry its wonderful world's best medical system for Kenyan socialized claptrap! Socialized Medicine is the Worst! Bar none!
The US medical system being one of the finest is a myth. This system is lethal. The numbers on death by bug pharma are incredible. I saw an Eastern Medicine practitioner who is so slammed she no longer takes new clients. She claims 70% of westerner's illnesses are cured by diet change alone. She cured me with a quickness. I am still waiting to see the proven collaboration link between big pharma and monsanto.
Was the 'happy ending' included?
Those are the smart healthy ones like myself, why would I dole out $800 per month for me and my family if, none of us are Obese, we make a true effort to eat healthy and excersice, go to the doctor twice a year tops. Oh by the way the doc charges us $70 because we pay Cash, he charges insured peeps $150.
It might be to cover all the Coke Gulping Walmart shoppers who are super Diabetic, & their 4 kids are about to be diabetic cuz they go to McD's for breakfast 4 times a week, why should I pay for that shit. Its going to hurt me to say this but Obama makes Bush look smart, ouch!
This ain't about health or keeping people alive! You haven't seen nothin' yet! Socialize medicine is a collasal disaster anyplace it has been tried! Anticipate an epidemic of abortion. Costs eventually spiral out of control before assisted suicide, euthenasia, and death panels take over! The sensitive liberal visionaries have abcolutely no qualms about it. They will be entrenched as 'rights!' You can count on it!
My options: (A) $144/month for the cheapest Bronze Plan that I don't want; (B) $240 penalty.
Which shall I choose? hmmm. . . .