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Here Is The YouTube "Start A False Flag War With Syria" Leaked Recording That Erdogan Wanted Banned

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UPDATE: *TURKEY'S DAVUTOGLU SAYS LEAK IS 'DECLARATION OF WAR': TURKIYE

As we noted here, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan had blocked Twitter access to his nation ahead of what was rumored to be a "spectacular" leak before this weekend's elections. Then this morning, amid a mad scramble, he reportedly (despite the nation's court ruling the bans illegal) blocked YouTube access. However, by the magic of the interwebs, we have the 'leaked' clip and it is clear why he wanted it blocked/banned. As the rough translation explains, it purports to be a conversation between key Turkish military and political leaders discussing what appears to be a false flag attack to launch war with Syria.

 

 

Among the most damning sections:

Ahmet Davutolu: “Prime Minister said that in current conjuncture, this attack (on Suleiman Shah Tomb) must be seen as an opportunity for us.”

 

Hakan Fidan: “I’ll send 4 men from Syria, if that’s what it takes. I’ll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary.”

 

Feridun Sinirliolu: “Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.”

 

Ya?ar Güler: “It’s a direct cause of war. I mean, what’re going to do is a direct cause of war.”

 

...

 

Feridun Sinirolu: There are some serious shifts in global and regional geopolitics. It now can spread to other places. You said it yourself today, and others agreed… We’re headed to a different game now. We should be able to see those. That ISIL and all that jazz, all those organizations are extremely open to manipulation. Having a region made up of organizations of similar nature will constitute a vital security risk for us. And when we first went into Northern Iraq, there was always the risk of PKK blowing up the place. If we thoroughly consider the risks and substantiate… As the general just said…

 

Yaar Güler: Sir, when you were inside a moment ago, we were discussing just that. Openly. I mean, armed forces are a “tool” necessary for you in every turn.

 

Ahmet Davutolu: Of course. I always tell the Prime Minister, in your absence, the same thing in academic jargon, you can’t stay in those lands without hard power. Without hard power, there can be no soft power.

A full translation can be found here

And just in case you had faith that this was all made up and Erdogan is right to ban it... he just admitted it was true!

To summarize: a recording confirming a NATO-member country planned a false-flag war with Syria (where have we seen that before?) and all the Prime Minister has to say is the leak was "immoral."

 

Erdogan is not amused:

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan described the leaking on YouTube on Thursday of a recording of top security officials discussing possible military operations in Syria as "villainous" and the government blocked access to the video-sharing site.

 

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"They even leaked a national security meeting. This is villainous, this is dishonesty...Who are you serving by doing audio surveillance of such an important meeting?" Erdogan declared before supporters at a rally ahead of March 30 local polls that will be a key test of his support amid a corruption scandal.

 

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Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:41 | 4598736 RacerX
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and where is Ketchup Boy in all this?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:52 | 4598811 Winston Churchill
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Out for his morning canter.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:55 | 4598826 SWRichmond
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the internet must be "regulated"; only then can we prevent the unwashed masses from having information like this.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:01 | 4598864 BaBaBouy
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MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:10 | 4598916 TahoeBilly2012
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Ever dawn on anyone the WW3 might just be people shooting and nuking and no one even know who is shooting at who?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:12 | 4598928 chumbawamba
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The banality of genocide.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:49 | 4599087 Buckaroo Banzai
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"To summarize: a recording confirming a NATO-member country planned a false-flag war with Syria (where have we seen that before?) and all the Prime Minister has to say is the leak was "immoral."

From Robert Hare’s Checklist of Psychopathy Symptoms:

2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH — a grossly inflated view of one’s abilities and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart. Psychopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human beings.

4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING — can be moderate or high; in moderate form, they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever; in extreme form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous, manipulative and dishonest.

5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS: the use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one’s victims.

6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT:  a lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, coldhearted and unempathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one’s victims.

10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS:  expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.

14. IMPULSIVITY: the occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation, frustrations and momentary urges; a lack of deliberation without considering the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic and reckless.

and most relevant:

16. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS: a failure to accept responsibility for one’s actions reflected in low conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate others through this denial.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:19 | 4599208 redpill
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Machiavellianism in the information age just isn't as easy as it used to be!  Poor psychotic fucking madmen oligarchs!

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:26 | 4599237 Oh regional Indian
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Hard to believe that these guys released a power like the interwebs without understandng it's democracy of information potential.

3Com founder Robert Metcalf, "The power/value of a network is the square of the number of nodes in the network"

Pretty basic shit as far as understanding networks goes.

So, what IS the left hand doing? 

ori

 

A little TEDx action from me, in case you missed it yesterday, and thanks all around for the great support/kind words/engagement yesterday...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XijsnujcFg

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:28 | 4599253 john39
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insightful piece by Jon Rappaport on Syria and the big picture:

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=29527

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:55 | 4599368 James_Cole
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zh has declared war on Turkey!

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:05 | 4599419 knukles
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What's the left hand doing?
All hands are busy in the Big Circle Jerk

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:21 | 4599574 Paveway IV
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This explains ALAFCO's old Malaysian Airlines 777-200ER that was supposedly sold to GA Telesis last November for parting out. Only the 777 never made it to Telesis' Florida dismantling shop. Telesis already parted out one othe Malaysian Air 777 last August. It was two serial numbers away from this one, and two serial numbers away from the Flight MH370 777. 

Last known location was Tel Aviv airport, an unusual location for a Kuwaiti company to store any aircraft.

ALAFCO also leases aircraft to Turkey and Ukraine.

Afraid they've gone well beyond a single dimension circle, Knuknes. It's some sort of a geodesic dome mobius that requires many hands. 

 

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 16:25 | 4600126 Ahmeexnal
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Er-dog-anus should be thrown to the mob for a good lynchin.

Just sayin.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 16:53 | 4600213 Againstthelie
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The deafening silence of Turkey's allies is a strong indication that NATO is behind it. If it would be against NATO's intentions and they would be surprised about it, you bet that the peace nobel laureate would already telepromt and Germany's chancellor Kamierczak and Hollande would already demand consequences for Turkey and the exclusion from the NATO.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 22:06 | 4601241 BKbroiler
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YouTube is just another policy arm of .gov    Doubt you'd ever see O get hung out to dry like this.  What did we learn in Afghanistan?  Hearts and minds... 

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 17:20 | 4600299 Lost Word
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A link about the 777 in Israel conspiracy theory.

http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israelis-planning-another-9-11-using-the-m...

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:09 | 4599431 Anusocracy
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Government creates the need for its own existence.

Which is why government can never be acceptable.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:20 | 4599479 Beam Me Up Scotty
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What I don't understand is why so many people think government is so important.  Its like the are all a bunch of inbreeds incapable of reasoning.  Everything .gov touches turns to shit, yet these idiot sheep BAAA for ever more of it.  Other than roads and bridges, and plowing the snow, I see little use for government.  Libraries are for sissies.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:34 | 4599534 Anusocracy
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Well, where I live the roads are shit, the bridges need repair, and the city is considering an ordinance that closes some streets after a certain level of snowfall. Good luck getting to work if your street is chosen.

I repeat, government is not needed.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 17:12 | 4600251 Againstthelie
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But you still can go out on the street at night. And women can go out, too.

That your car can be found where you left it, is also a result of a government.

And if someone attacks you, you can call 911, also a result of an existing government.

That you can write here and read, since you are not part of the 1%, is also a result of an evil government.

 

You libertarians sit in your warm rooms in front of a computer, the refrigerator filled and you write how beautiful it would be without a government? You are like these Bolsheviks who talk about proletarians and politics, while they are drinking and smoking in their saloons.

Or like these people that believe how wonderful and romantic life 200 years ago was - while they sit in a lit room, take a quick warm shower, go to the refrigerator fetch something to eat and continue with their intelligent conversations!

 

If you want a glimpse how things are, if the executive order collapses, which only exists because of a government, switch of electricity for three days.

And this does NOT mean, that any current government in the western regime was a good government! But they are thousands of times better, than the jungle's anarchy.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 17:42 | 4600378 VictoryOrDeath
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"You libertarians"?  Why reference Libertarians when you are talking about anarchists?  Libertarians don't want to be without a government but want limited government in place of more individual freedom.  You even referenced 'anarchy' in your final statement but for whatever reason tried to associate Libertarians to this.  And by the way, I would ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, give up my 'luxurious accomodations' and conveniences of today in order to be without tyranny.  And if you wouldn't then you are part of the problem.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 22:53 | 4601384 TheReplacement
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+1 pwned him!

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 01:00 | 4601604 Seer
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"Libertarians don't want to be without a government but want limited government in place of more individual freedom. "

And that's why anarchists are anarchists.  Because they know that in all of human history governments have ALWAYS ended up growing and increasing their oppressive nature.

The whole idea that there can be a small/limited government is absurd, it flies in the face of human history.  It's like saying that someone can only be a little pregnant.

I DO like many components of the "libertarian" mindset/credo, but, as with all ideological bents, it's got its blindspots.

As long as you prmote growth you are running a sure-fire PONZI which WILL end.

Governments exist through excesses.  The world is running out of excess.  Oh, and governments are operated by sociopaths, which is clearly demonstrated by this article.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 20:25 | 4600937 Slave
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What the fuck are you doing on this website? Trolling?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 20:36 | 4600974 DFCtomm
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Why is it the fault of libertarians, and not the people who lusted for power and grew government and entitlements to unsustainable levels. People like you had to have more, and more until it couldn't be sustained, so now we'll all pay the price. This isn't the fault of libertarians who have almost no political power until recently, it's your fault.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 22:52 | 4601380 UselessEater
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aside from the other replying posts which I enjoyed reading.

My pondering comment… remote rural communities were/are in most nations self-reliant. An accident has always resulted in neighbours jumping in to help with skills passed down and learned from each other or from active training through an informal network. When help wasn't needed you're generally left alone to make your own life through your own labours - may not be perfect but for many people its a happier life being left to be responsible for oneself and able to help if needed.

For those who look for govt to do this'n’that for them, there often seems to be much bitching about how much the govt should be doing in between satisfying their monotony with shopping and mass media and the search for something else to be responsible for making things as 'wonderful' as they 'should be'.

But ‘wonderful’ is a hollywood story. A good life always required work and effort and dealing with hardship with as much humour and good faith as you can muster to ride the bad bits (which can be a mix of bad times and pure monotony).

I wonder sometimes if we are go through the teenage years of conflicted parental-authority and independence only to then choose governmental authority and dependence as we move into the "real" world of jobs, bills, taxes and the monotony that it can bring us? Are we avoiding the reality of life by obsessing about what govt must do instead of what "I" can and should do?

No town has ever been perfect but once industry is offshored, jobs go, the drugs are brought in (with some heavy backing) then imperfect turns to worse and more govt is sought to fix what they fucked in the first place…are we being played?

just pondering....

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 00:58 | 4601602 Anusocracy
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Well, silly fool, prove to me that the market would be less able to create a better society than the really shitty job government does. That is your claim, right?

In the 20th century, numerous governments totally failed to provide what the people wanted and there is no indication in the 21st century that it can do any better.

Government is a negative sum game and exists only as a detriment to society. It always has, look at history - 400 million deaths by government in the 20th century.

BTW, your stupid examples show that you believe the market incapable of providing goods and services when it the government that fails over and over. Here, the public electric power provider completely blew it out its ass after an ice storm and the power was out for up to two weeks while we had sub-zero temperatures. A nearby private power company with a larger customer base restored the power in five days. The first day they were bringing in crews from out of state while .gov power did nothing.

I will say honestly, you don't know shit.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 01:40 | 4601640 StychoKiller
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Sorry, but Anarchy != Chaos

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 16:44 | 4600187 Gazooks
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succinct

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 17:17 | 4600278 Lost Word
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What Jon Rappaport named the Umbrella,

or One World Government,

others have named the Octopus.

Perhaps the giant Sea Monster named in the Hebrew Bible?

Was it the Leviathan?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 18:25 | 4600528 Terminus C
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Hmm, Hobbes named his book Leviathan...

 

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 19:46 | 4600786 Rusty Shorts
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Weird, I thought Leviathan was a gigantic oil deposit just off the coast of Israel.......

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 21:34 | 4601151 The_Prisoner
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You mean coast of Lebanon and Palestine

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 21:36 | 4601153 BlindMonkey
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That is the tar golum to you my friend.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 01:03 | 4601608 Seer
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Fiction.  One World Government will NOT happen.  I've been arguing this for years.  And, just look around, the OPPOSIDE is occurring: fragmentation.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 01:41 | 4601643 StychoKiller
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Umm, please?  Thanks in advance...

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 20:26 | 4600940 topshelfstuff
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next on deck =

 

Israel Caught Housing 'Identical Twin of Flight 370' In Tel Aviv!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZhSmYAvugU

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 21:13 | 4601096 Freddie
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Another one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qXksDwJMQI

There is also a twin parked in France?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:58 | 4599382 Theta_Burn
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Interesting acustic work..

I've always loved that Indian cultural voicing on guitars.

I just picked up an acustic, and a insatiable desire to learn it.

Strange at my age..

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:38 | 4599926 Oh regional Indian
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Thanks Theta. Interestingly, going semi-acoustic opened a lot of doors, from an acoustic/musical perspective. I used to be resolutely anti-tech till I heard th epossibilities.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:16 | 4599463 Cacete de Ouro
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Thanks Ori, I'll look at the talk later, from
the start, when I get time.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:19 | 4599473 Herd Redirectio...
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Start the talk at 10 minutes in, then when you are finished, watch from the start.  IMO, if you just have 2 minutes (and speakers)

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:35 | 4599549 vulcanraven
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Hey ORI, really enjoyed your TEDx video. Just curious, do you practice Escrima?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:37 | 4599917 Oh regional Indian
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Thanks VulcanRaven. And no I do not and just saw it, very cool.

There are a huge number of traditional stick fighting forms in India doo. Do you practise Escrima?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:23 | 4599838 SilverRhino
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Somewhere a bunch of oligarchs are going "How did we let this one get out???" 

 

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:40 | 4599932 Oh regional Indian
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:-)

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 16:24 | 4600114 tip e. canoe
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power/value of a network = number of nodes 2
pandora's quite a box, ain't she?

left hand doing?  twirlin' one of those sweet soundin' whistlin' sticks?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 00:12 | 4601538 Oh regional Indian
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Ahaaah....nice connect Tip.e... Pandor's box, the power of squaring....no going back...

ori

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 17:32 | 4600345 Nehweh Gahnin
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Hey ORI.  Great talk!  I shared it with my partner, and it's now making the rounds among my folks around here.  I, myself, have been in the process of unperforming for the past decade now.  It has been a wonderful journey.

I always enjoy your gems of wisdom here on ZH, as well.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 00:13 | 4601540 Oh regional Indian
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Hey Nehweh, so good to hear/read. Having been given the stage as I was at TEDx, I hoped it would bring me in touch with the opposite-the-herd walkers world-wide... and so far, it has. 

:-)

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 18:55 | 4600616 nicholforest
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Loved your TEDx action - thanks for sharing it.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 00:14 | 4601542 Oh regional Indian
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My pleasure nicholF....glad it struck a chord...

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 19:53 | 4600819 FlowerofLife
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Great talk, ori. Nice blending of East and West.

 

FoL

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 00:15 | 4601543 Oh regional Indian
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FoL, thanks so much. I always call myself a COW, citizen of the world....have a hard time with boundaries...

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:21 | 4599485 Anusocracy
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Which is why government strives for total secrecy for itself and total transparency for the masses.

Both are markers of tyranny.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 07:48 | 4601896 weburke
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Erdogan is Jewish and a bad man but another bad man is waiting in the wings causing all this trouble and he is Fethullah Gulen. 

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:57 | 4599380 Cacete de Ouro
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That checklist sounds like the bastard pyschopathic boss from Pakistan/Saudi that I once had the extreme misfortune to interact with.

 

Thanks for posting the checklist. I'll print it out...

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:40 | 4599594 eurogold
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This guy is just plain bad news !

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:38 | 4599925 koncaswatch
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This Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXFmo6WipNk , I am Fishead, identifies the characteristics of the typical Corporate Phsycopath. You guys might find it interesting. I'm working for the model depicted in this video right now.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 20:51 | 4601026 Cacete de Ouro
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This is a great documentary. I'm looking at it now. So true.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 21:25 | 4601119 palmereldritch
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Fantastic doc.  Thanks

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:47 | 4599643 Crash Overide
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The sad thing is Erdogan's only pissed off cause he got caught.

Wake up planet earth, these kind of people are "running" our countries from East to West and everything in-between.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:19 | 4599815 Rafferty
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= "youths"

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 16:06 | 4600049 anonnn
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Understand "NATO".

NATO is a "defense" agreement. Any attack on a NATO member obligates every NATO member to come to that member's aid. Thus all agree to join battle.

When a NATO member creates a "false flag" [attack and falsely blames the attack on a non-member of NATO, all NATO members must join battle.

World War 3 can result. False-flag event becomes the Archduke-at-Sarajevo moment.

 

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 17:27 | 4600328 Lost Word
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9-11 False Flag Attack on "NATO" and Afghanistan war "obligation" response

was somewhat unethusiastic on the part of European NATO members.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:16 | 4598944 Thought Processor
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Most likely scenario actually.

 

Any country to use Nuks would be villified, therefor they will be set off without evidence of who pulled the trigger or the evidence will be fabricated lead to another state.

 

It has long since been a tactic to use smaller tactical nukes smuggled into an area and then set off.

 

A nuke in a random 40' container is almost impossible to track if it's shielded correctly.  

 

 

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:21 | 4598965 john39
Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:06 | 4599168 Matt
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Especially if projects to map nuetrinos and anti-nuetrinos for examing the inside of the planet bear fruit. No shielding can contain them.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:08 | 4599429 Poundsand
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Exactly.  The term sheilded only applies to the level of your ability to measure.  Our ability to measure is off the charts anymore, and it is why we are not as worried about containers as they would leave us to believe.  Thus the need for a very fast airborne delivery system.  If I was Pakistan, and I had the weapons, I would purchase some old 737's and simply fly them into the country from various points on the map.  Air burts are more effective anyway.

And they have been testing us for years.  See this accidental admission from a San Diego Port Authority Officer http://www.10news.com/news/interview-raises-questions-over-weapons-of-ma....

"So, specifically, you're looking for the dirty bomb? You're looking for the nuclear device?" asked the reporter Blacher.

"Correct.  Weapons of mass effect."  Port Director Hallor said.

"You ever found one?" asked Blacher.

"Not at this location." Hallor said.

"But they have found them?" asked Blacher.

"Yes." said Hallor.

"You never found one in San Diego though?" Blacher asked.

"I would say at the port of San Diego we have not." Hallor said.

"Have you found one in San Diego?" Blacher asked.

Interview was interrupted....  You can watch the guy on youtube as well.  Watch how nervous he gets and this was back in 2011.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 16:36 | 4600159 tip e. canoe
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so easy to spread FUD these days, even a shadow can do it.

in fact shadows may have perfected the art by now.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 17:38 | 4600366 Lost Word
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A dirty bomb may have radioactive components,

with conventional explosives,

falsely described as a "weapon of mass destruction"

but

it is not nearly the same danger as a fission or fusion bomb.

To the lying fraud US Government,

a pressure cooker bomb is a WMD.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 05:32 | 4601772 effendi
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Mass destruction need not be total destruction over a large area. If you set off a dirty bomb the economic costs can be in the billions. Imagine terrorists (or false flag ops) setting off a dirty bomb atop a Manhatten high rise. Blocks around would be contaminated and evacuated and the clean up would take months with the economic disruption (closing perhaps Wall St or Broadway) costing billions.

That is mass destruction.

A pressure cooker is nothing. 

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 17:32 | 4600346 Lost Word
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Obama just recently mentioned fear of a loose nuke in NYC.

A conspiracy theory website replied with statement that Israel HAS a nuke

already hidden inside their NYC diplomatic consulate office.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:25 | 4598979 SoilMyselfRotten
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its immoral to expose immorality, that's rich

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:29 | 4598997 firstdivision
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Gotta lower demand on food somehow.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:39 | 4599042 BLOTTO
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Imo, i think Syria will be the catalyst that brings in the big players -Russia, Iran, Turkey, Israel, and 'friends of friends'

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What exactly makes it boil over? Stray rockets lobbed over Golan Heights, someone important gets snuffed, etc...take your pick.

.

This has been in the plan for centuries, whether fact or fiction, whether you believe it or not - 'they' do. And we cant do a damn thing about it.

 

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:10 | 4599184 SoilMyselfRotten
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If a 'rocket is lobbed' over Golan heights, it will have either been sent or detonated. These 'strays' have an eerie tendency to hit their targets.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:55 | 4599370 silvermail
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What's going on? Erdogan slept with Tymoshenko and he contracted from her syphilis of war?

Or Tymoshenko and Erdogan have a common master in the face of USA?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:36 | 4599291 RevRex
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Why not abolish EBT cards?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 22:01 | 4601226 Buck Johnson
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You may be right, or how about this.  They don't neccessarily go to war but when someone does or someone allows a nuke to be used in a place not in Russia or the US.  It makes the world markets crash and then the US can blame the nuke and crazy countries for causing the economy to implode rather than the banks and the govt..

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 07:12 | 4601844 Cap Matifou
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"MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX"

or psychopathic war criminals

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:37 | 4599563 Jumbotron
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Damn....simply damn.    Wooo hoooo.....the Russians are going eat this up in the PR wars.  Probably them that leaked it....just to make NATO look bad.

Pass the popcorn.  Fuck paying for movies.....when the big show is right here.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:53 | 4598816 john39
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if at first you don't succeed...

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:02 | 4598877 V in PA
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I'm so glad my Country doesn't do things like this. - Sheep

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:11 | 4598919 El Oregonian
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Damn the torpedos, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:59 | 4599138 mvsjcl
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+1/2 for the Adm. Farragut reference, and +1/2 for the Tom Petty reference.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:02 | 4599408 jaxville
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  Every country that is militarily tied to Turkey (NATO) is a potential victim of this nonsense. One scumgag can drag a whole bunch of other nations into a war. Why do I smell the same ole' maggots?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:20 | 4599826 NotApplicable
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Know a better way to start a world war?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 21:42 | 4601181 BlindMonkey
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A majority vote in congress?? Just sayin'

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:56 | 4598836 SteveNYC
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The people of Turkey deserve so much better than this guy. An unmitigated, corrupt disaster.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:25 | 4598930 El Oregonian
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Yes, I feel the same way about the Americans.

This feels like a game of musical chairs on the Titanic.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:51 | 4599089 cougar_w
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Because I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet, I read that as:

"This feels like a game of nuclear chairs on the Titanic."

... and thought that's fucking brilliant. Nuclear musical chairs on the Titanic, with the band playing, that takes the complete cake.

I'm still giving you credit. Well -- you and the demons of caffeine deficiency.

Where's the god-damned coffee, I'm seeing things ...

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:05 | 4599167 maskone909
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I dont know if anyone would ever use nukes... Seems like their existence is to scare domestic populations. The use in japan was more of a way to scare the jap public into surrendering as the emperor was already prepared to give up. The japs would rather kill themselves than accept defeat. That presents a problem in a central banked themed monetary system.

Emperor of japan to usa: " yeah can u just nuke us because these people wont take no for an answer " did the japs even have any war crime trials after the war? Nothing like germany for that matter.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:20 | 4599217 Quus Ant
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And here I thought we nuked Japan to scare the crap out of Russia.  Turns out the Japanese were suicidal and asked to please obliterate their women and children.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:23 | 4599226 Sandmann
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Yes but the US has been a bit gung-ho with nukes ever since and now other people want to do what Khrushchev did when he had the launch codes in those missiles on Cuba ready to remodel US cities and Kennedy was unaware

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:26 | 4599235 Quus Ant
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Yes, Russia had missiles in Cuba and the US had missiles in..... Turkey. 

How the worm turns.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:33 | 4599273 Calmyourself
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Tojo hung as did others..

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 21:46 | 4601189 BlindMonkey
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Ah yes but not the members of unit 731. Those fucking butchers got a pass because they shared their research with us.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 05:48 | 4601776 effendi
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There were trials of Japanese war criminals including Tojo.

The Australians alone tried 922 and found 641 guilty. Of those 148 were given the sentence of death and 137 executed.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:55 | 4599110 thethirdcoast
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If you wrapped Ataturk in copper wire and stuck him between a couple big magnets, enough electricity would be generated to power most of Europe.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:29 | 4599258 pot_and_kettle
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They elected him, they deserve him.

Same for us knuckleheads in the US ( no, I wasn't one of his " yes we cans " )

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:23 | 4599840 NotApplicable
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You still voted to endorse the legitimacy of the criminals d.b.a. "The State." So, I'd say you deserve him for being dumb enough to believe in Santa Claus.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:58 | 4598842 krispkritter
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Do you really want him involved?  It's like cutting the IQ at the negotiating table by '57' points...

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:07 | 4599174 Quus Ant
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someone's feeling generous.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:58 | 4598843 Mr Pink
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Why those Turkeys trying to weasel in on our war?!

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 17:52 | 4600412 Lost Word
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Sharing the spoils of war.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 05:10 | 4601765 caustixoid
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Does anyone thinks the Turks were 'going rogue' all on their lonesome?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:41 | 4599060 wisefool
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Meeting with his tax attorneys. They might be able to get him and the Mrs.'s down to an 7% rate for FY13,14 so he can "afford" to pay 35% in FY15 for the 2016 presidential race required disclosures. Its the smart move. Dollar cost averaging.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:32 | 4599518 Atrica
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Look at the bigger picture boys: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/24/355851/india-ready-to-pay-iran-i...
Now you might realize why its necessary for them to speed up the WW3... Attacking Syria= war with Iran.
I just hope the sane minds will prevail.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:46 | 4598750 Rakshas
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Dammit,  Thailand is blocking my video feed I can't see it I can't see it.....

 

......they said it was a violation of the Kingdom of Thailand cultural values to access beastialty sites ...... I swear to God I thought I was watching Candy Crowley..... anyway they no believe No YT for me....

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:47 | 4598772 i_call_you_my_base
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There isn't much to see.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:54 | 4598824 B.J. Worthy
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With Candy Crowley, there's too much to see.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:08 | 4599426 matrix2012
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@ Rakshas... there's FF extensions called YT unblocker and so on; you may wish to try proxy extension as well

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:44 | 4598751 lynnybee
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yes, i know Turkish, too.   i spent time in Istanbul & it's very easy to pick up. 

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:03 | 4599410 Conax
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I spent a year in Adana, and I beg to differ.

Turkish (to me) sounds like a series of grunts, snorts and throat clearing gaacks.  I learned a few polite words, but the Turks never understood me, and gave me that 'you foreigner' glare.  I carried a knife and a roll of nickels everywhere.  Just sayin.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 17:05 | 4600243 Citxmech
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What did you think of their dogs?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 21:41 | 4601178 Conax
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I don't recall seeing any pet dogs where I was.  On base there were working dogs, but downtown you keep your eye on the Turks.  ;)

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 05:13 | 4601766 caustixoid
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Good dry divers though, the Turks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lElp0CJa_Cg

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:44 | 4598756 q99x2
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I'm waiting for the one starring Bandar, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:55 | 4598828 carbonmutant
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Wrong players... Nov 2016

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:45 | 4598757 Theta_Burn
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Eat you heart out Nuland..

This planet needs a reset...

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:35 | 4599025 Wahooo
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Before it's all over, we'll have Edward Snowden on Mt. Rushmore. Guy's looking more and more the hero every day.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:45 | 4598760 Apeman
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Comrade Vladimir will not be pleased with this. Cook the turkey.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:10 | 4599187 BigJim
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Comrade Vladimir's comrades are probably the guys who released it.

How do you destroy the West's empire? Just tell reveal the truth to its 'citizens' and watch the fireworks as the realisation of the true extent of their 'leaders' hypocrisy comes home, revelation by revelation.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:41 | 4599316 Wizard of Ozman
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Putin is funding his Gazprom Losses, with his new You Tube Channel, Look for Cockroaches in the Cherrios, They are everywhere!

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:20 | 4599478 Kobe Beef
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Except there really are Cockroaches in the Cheerios. Don't shoot the messenger. If it is Putin, he's doing the average citizens of NATO a favor.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:45 | 4598763 BennyBoy
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Standard false flag thinking: Lets bomb ourselves.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:56 | 4598835 Ignatius
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"Even if it were true, who cares?"  --  Chomsky

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:11 | 4598922 B.J. Worthy
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"What difference does it make?!" -- Hillary

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:56 | 4599121 thethirdcoast
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"No one could have imagined!" -- Condi Rice

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:05 | 4599139 V in PA
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"We must change our history" - Michelle Obama

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:00 | 4599722 toothpicker
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"chirp chirp" - MSM

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:42 | 4599609 Meatier Shower
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"You didn't bomb that." -- Barry Soetoro

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:41 | 4599944 Rylie
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neigh -- John Kerry

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 18:59 | 4600627 BeansBulletsBandaids
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Rylie for the win!

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 19:46 | 4600789 Andy Lewis
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Fuckin' neigh.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:30 | 4599264 tony wilson
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There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

donald ass part tame

an old artificial sweetner lovin jew

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:01 | 4599401 SMG
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more like Satanist.  Francis Sawyer did you create a new account?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 14:24 | 4599493 Kobe Beef
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I don't like Darth Rumsfeld anymore than you do. But that is some Serious Epistemological Knowlege he's speaking in that quote.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:26 | 4599861 NotApplicable
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That was when I realized he was definitely a high-level operative instead of just an empty suit warming a chair.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 16:43 | 4600177 tip e. canoe
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agreed, but notice he didn't mention the unknown knowns.

There are things that we don't know we know.

now ask yourself why he didn't.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 11:46 | 4598765 Seize Mars
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Out-fucking-standing, ZH.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 12:13 | 4598932 Urban Roman
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Presumably ZH has been blocked in Turkey as well.

Or else, turkey-zh-blocking orders in 3, 2, ...

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:18 | 4599206 Johnbrown
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Who is leaking this stuff?

That is a very important piece of information we should know.

Someone wants us to know. Who? Why? What are their intentions?

Are they friendlies?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:24 | 4599228 Sandmann
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NSA or SORM or BND or even domestic Turkish Intelligence

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 13:32 | 4599268 Johnbrown
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Why?

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 15:29 | 4599878 NotApplicable
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Because the timeline requires it. Putin blocking the original war in Syria is stressing their ability to kick the can. They desperately need to move to a "war footing" for cover.

Remember, this is the war over the global petrodollar regime.

Thu, 03/27/2014 - 16:47 | 4600196 Againstthelie
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A NATO member is involved in creating a false flag op which would bring the whole alliance into war and all NATO allies remain silent and are not outraged and you write, it was leaked from this side? Sure Shlomo.

The deafening silence of Turkey's allies is a strong indication that NATO is behind it. If it would be against NATO's intentions and they would be surprised about it, you bet that the peace nobel laureate would already telepromt and Germany's chancellor Kamierczak and Hollande would already demand consequences for Turkey and the exclusion from the NATO.

It's obviously a NATO plot.

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