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Ukraine Parliament Rejects IMF's Bailout Terms (As US Passes Ukraine Aid Bill)
The US Senate is more than happy to hand over a few billion and confirm sanctions:
- *SENATE PASSES UKRAINIAN AID BILL WITH RUSSIAN SANCTIONS
- *HOUSE PASSES VERSION OF UKRAINIAN AID, RUSSIAN SANCTIONS BILL
But, it seems the IMF's requirements for Ukraine's bailout are too much for the locals to bear:
- UKRAINE PARLIAMENT FAILS TO SUPPORT FIRST BID TO PASS ANTI-CRISIS LAW REQUIRED FOR IMF DEAL
Lawmakers will continue to work on the bill as it seems they approve the top-line budget but not the taxes required to get there... beggars can be choosers again maybe?
US says "yes" to US Aid; Via NY Times,
The Senate voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to approve a billion-dollar aid package for Ukraine, two days after Senate Democrats relented to Republican demands that they drop a provision backed by the White House that would have authorized an overhaul of the International Monetary Fund.
The vote was 98 to 2. The House is expected to pass a similar bill later in the day. President Obama has said he will sign the bill, which includes new sanctions against Russians and Ukrainians who provided support to Russia to annex the Crimea region of Ukraine.
“This bill is a first step toward supporting the Ukrainians and our Central and Eastern European partners, and imposing truly significant costs on Moscow,” the House majority leader, Eric Cantor, said in a floor speech as his chamber considered its bill.
Ukraine says 'No" to IMF (for now); Via Bloomberg,
Lawmakers approve budget changes needed for IMF loan deal.
Lawmakers to continue working on tax bill, acting President and parliament speaker Oleksandr Turchynov says
Lawmakers to vote on tax bill again today: Turchynov
We suspect beggars will be choosers once again.
Confused at what that means? Nomura (h/t @Pawelmorski) has the answer.. kinda...
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OUR money is obviosly EASIER money.
Come On UKRAINE Guys, Don't You Wanna Be Like The GREEKS ?????
This is with guns to their heads or not?
Finally Ukraine does something SMART.
I got it!!
Detroit can rename itself "Ukraine" and scam that money for itself!
So what's the final tally for "fiscally responsible" tea-bagger support?
Leave your Blue/Red at the door, please.
Did the tea-baggers from Oklahoma vote yea? I hear they don't even have enough money to upkeep major bridges in Oklahoma:
http://kfor.com/2014/03/06/officials-discover-more-cracks-in-purcell-lex...
Why don't the Uke's default on their debt, giving a triple fuck to the Russkies, Jews and Oligarchs?
I don't think that is red-blue. He singled out a sub-faction that has publicly heralded a higher standard of conservatism. Did they uphold that view or did they become part of red-blue? He has a valid point.
Logged in to vote you down.
I know, that's what speaking the truth gets you these days. Assholes don't even have the courage to shoot messengers anymore.
IMF bailout = Leopard jumping on wildebeest.
With the IMF you have to say yes and come back for additional credit two years later - take Greece as an example.
I think the Ukes are slowly coming to the realization they'd be better off joining Russia, just like Crimea did.
I'm sure Eastern Ukraine understands this and won't sit still for long under the plan the debt dealers have designed for them.
And Western Ukraine will ask Goldman Sachs for advise...
100k Russians on the border. Still, this is the right call for Ukraine. They need to be independent. Accept aid from the US or whomever as long as there are no strings attached. One might like to see a strong alliance based on former Soviet parcels in eastern Europe. Neither east nor west has ever really looked out for them. They should band together and stand for themselves now.
have to wonder whether the banker minions intend to unleash chaos into ukraine in order to try and force Russia into intervening deeper into Ukraine... so that zato can seize on Russia's action as the pretext for the war they so desperately need.
Eric Cantor - NeoCon and dual citizen.
Don't think so if the situation remains as it is now. ZATO has alreasdy put Ukraine in its backpocket, but now comes the tricky part of disengaging all the different neo-nazi "rent-a-mob" factions. That challenge (wanted by "moderate" oligarchs in order to paint a more civilized picture for Ukraine, as well as by the coup sponsors for creating a more peaceful environment that will enable them to start sucking Ukrainian blood) provides huge risks for a mobster-like civil war, mainly in West/Central Ukraine.
My thoughts are that western zio-nazis will keep and tolerate the present status quo until the elections. If things go downhill they'll have the cover to switch to plan B as described above by john; but if everything goes according to plan they'll begin the purge of the errand boys.
There'll be other ways and opportunities for Bear-poking.
zero doubt in my mind that that is the plan or a variation- hoist the false flag!
best would be a home grown peacefull movement to put to vote the eastern U's fate.
leave or stay. russia or U's debt slave...
Barry's gonna make it rain, Ukrainian bitchez.
Taste that freedom motherfuckers!
Tax poor US citizens and give to rich corrupt elite in bankrupt countries.
Well, now we know; everyone of these Senators needs to be de-elected. If they're in; turn 'em out.
Well, now we know; everyone of these Senators needs to be de-elected. If they're in; turn 'em out.
All this effort to enslave & deceive, instead of just doing the right thing..
Theta_Burn All this effort to enslave & deceive, instead of just doing the right thing..
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The right thing is to not have these global institions that are only allowed to exist because the populations allow it. There would be no effort by the IMF if the IMF or similar organization didn't exist.
Waiting for the Internetski Party coming to Urkaine. Something like Internet.Partiya.ua
http://rt.com/news/kim-dotcom-launches-party-585/
And in Crimea... Vote for Krim Dotcom. :-)
Here is a video Kim made with "Obama" and zio-PM "John Key" of NZ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO07KTU3jEU#t=261
Kim.com going to get them strudel. LOL!
Cue in the next coup. They'll get IMF approval yet. Wonder who they will have to arrest, whack, or suicide?
Or pay off.
Russian troops amassed at the borders, fortified, fueled, and at the ready to take advantage of any western-induced transitory chaos ... I mean "secure the peace for Russian civilians and/or assets in danger."
Putin says thanks to the western "intelligence" community for being so intellectually inert as to be perfectly unable to change its own momentum.
Obama says, "Russia's aggression is a sign of our superiority and their old ways of thinking. They are cornered and quaking. They hate us for our lassitude."
Putin says, "You missed a spot on the toe there, Shineboy."
Aren't there some Russian citizens in Berlin, Paris, and London? Tanks in London? Got Chunnel?
They are racist and narrow-minded, aren't they? America is very fair -- It does whatever it wants to anyone in anywhere in the world.
Everyone tries this at first. Gotta make it look legit. In a few months they'll be begging to only cut their pensions by 50%.
Why, they are not getting enough bribes?
These are the consequences Obama talked about. If Russia continues it's agression, Obama will spend US citizens money on a country that no one in the US cares about.
Kinda like MoTown!
Should they take US$1 ... it will be the beginning of the end for the Ukies! Go to your local mafia loanshark instead!
fucking morons...
did they really think by doing the MoneyChangers dirt they wouldnt be justly rewarded???
now the boneheads dont like the terms of the serfdom and want more generous slavery terms...
"you order shit...you eat shit...."
and oh yeah -
FUCK THIS BANKER CONTROLLED US SENATE AND THE REST OF THE US GOVERNMENT COCKSUCKERS....
This is just like when the UK said they wouldnt go into syria and our government was and is willing to help the rebels. There government still somewhat represents the people. Our president has a pen, a phone, and loyal congressional cult to follow his will so no need to care what the people want.
And thus gold sells off.... and stocks start back up.... because... just because...
What are the additional sanctions?
Those come after Putin arms Syria and Iran with nuclear weapons!
just sayin...
"The banker suicide saga has just reached a new level as a top level JPMorgan attorney has been exterminated in a hit & run incident involving a minivan.
JPM attorney Joseph Giampapa was killed over the weekend when he was struck by a minivan in a hit and run incident. Giampapa was reportedly hit and thrown 150 ft and was pronounced dead at the scene. No charges have been filed.
It gets better: Giampapa was JPMorgan’s top commercial bankruptcy lawyer (SVP).
Somehow we suspect the incident was not inflicted by a soccer mom."
http://www.silverdoctors.com/another-jpm-banker-dead-in-a-minivan-hit-ru...
Was it a minivan full of nail guns?
I believe the coroner ruled it "suicide by lateral self-launching".
Yes, it was a remote controlled Paslode jobsite truck loaded down with cop killer exploding tipped 12cc hig cap nail clips but in this case none were needed,\.
Eddie Barzoon, Eddie Barzoon. Buy futures, sell futures, when there is no future, Eddie!
Maybe it was just a morally bankrupt, useless in anything but lying for money asshole walked into the street as some dumb bitch was checking Facebook on her iPhone.
Like this?
lmao. I guess the Ukrainians aren't into Greek...
the world is changing faster than the politicols know. Obama did look like a fool when he stated what the old story line about amieka. you can see so clearly that every country distances itself from amerika. and obama had to end early because he did not believe what he was sayingl
Fooling Europeans is not as easy as fooling Americans. Obama is used to a retarded audience full of head-nodders. The Europeans can be fooled, but they understand American foreign policy much better than Americans. Americans think it's about democracy and defense. The Europeans know it's about money. I think that's why Obama got the response he got. And I think you're right, it was a bit jarring for Obama to experience that firsthand. He never believes what he says, but it's different when everyone in the room knows it.
I don't know. We keep getting them to store their gold over here for "safe keeping". And they keep shipping it. Funny how easy it is to ship it over here, but how complicated and difficult it is to get it back to them.
Beggars can be chosers..... hmmmm if the Ukes had any sense they'd roll the western interests faster than a Ukrainian hooker, take the money and run.....milk the hell out of these assholes ..... oh wait...... am I paying for this ......
nah..... right...
There is a big difference going on here.
The difference is the people in that Ukrainian Parliament damn sure as well know they will have to answer to someone in short order.
A concept the fuck heads in Vichy DC are oblivious of under the protective auspices of DHLS.
your a plant
your a rock.
in my opinion NO PARLAIMENT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TAKE LOANS ON TAXPAYER'S BEHALF
they can take individual loans in their own name but noone should be allowed to load taxpayer with any loan taxpayer never signed himself
waaaaaayyyyyyyyy too late 4 that kind of thinkin'!
That's contrairy to the cornerstone of decomcracy. We gits to vote the prols in to represent us which disapates their crimes to the taxpayers. Back in the oldy days the oligarchs were'nt very dependable in paying their debts.
will the bailout get there before the russkies ?
The Russians are not a problem. There hasn't been an election yet. AFAIK, no one really knows what the Ukrainians think about the current government. It's entirely possible that if they go "too far" the people/neo-nazis whoever will view them as the enemy and start executing people for treason. They have to be very careful for now, in my opinion.
"It's entirely possible that if they go "too far" the people/neo-nazis whoever will view them as the enemy and start executing people for treason."
Perhaps is the only way to protect a country from their traitors and vampires. So sad that in 21th century, we still live in this kind of violence and killings.
Vitoria Nulland your free cookies in Maidan square are priced in blood and innocent lives and the destruction of a country with 50 millions christians. And there still americans who think the zio-jews are friends of christians.
just look at the weeping women in syria, tunusia and iraq, western ukraine,
really OBAMA you know your american team are murderers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yea but; aren't they a little bit free-er?? /sarc
Lagardian meathooks not on today's menu???
[[[sigh]]]
Remember they stripped out the IMF funding in that aid package passed in the Senate.
Restriction free money.....
so no passage of the 2010 IMF reforms in either bill?
Yes apparently.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/03/25/harry_reid_drops_imf_...
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Reid's decision to strip the IMF language out of the aid package comes just a day after the White House renewed its push for the reforms. Speaking to reporters Tuesday, the Senate leader said the bill would simply have not made it through Congress with the IMF provisions intact.
"As much as I think a majority of the Senate would liked to have gotten that done with IMF in it, I think it was headed to nowhere in the House," Reid said.
The provisions, a longtime goal of the Obama administration, would have sharply increased the lending capacity of the IMF. The U.S. is currently the only major industrialized nation that hasn't approved a 2010 package of reforms that would expand the power of developing countries within the IMF and shift money from its emergency to general account so it can provide more cash to struggling economies.
The White House had for weeks insisted that helping Ukraine and reforming the IMF were part and parcel of each other. "It's only through the IMF, a reformed IMF, that Ukraine is going to get the help it needs to stand on its own two feet," Secretary of State John Kerry said earlier this month.
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They tried to slip a mickey into the bill and even the moar woar Neocon Republicans wouldn't bite on it.
oh my, the Okie-doke choked.
time for some peas & a poke?
What can one say about the IMF and the US Senate?
Neither elected, that's for sure.
I pray for Ukraine, but a prayer or two for the people of the US might be in order as well.
Opa!
Losers in Ukraine owe Russia & China each $3 Billion in past due bills, obviously can't run a country. So now our idiots in Congress decide to give the Ukranians a Billion Fucking Dollars, free and clear for their bad management of funds.
Something needs to give soon.
To track the 2 key pieces of legislation and what is in them since people should know exactly what these people are spending your money on....
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s2124
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr4278
Also to see which assholes what pork and other insidious things these people are trying to quietly slip into these bills.
http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2124/amendments
http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/4278
no amendments yet on this one.
And the third one about loan guarantees.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr4152
and it's amendments
http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/4152
I guess as long as no amendments requiring this are written into the bills the Ukrainian government will be happy to accept that US congressional money that happens to be our money not theirs.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article182892.html
The European Union and the United States, which have supported and funded for years all neo-Nazi groups and other radical extremist factions in Eastern Europe, have given the order to these new fascists never to brandish the swastika, associated with Adolf Hitler’s Nazi Germany, in their marches or other demonstrations.
Indeed, it would be a more discreet way to be seen in public, but an even better way to avoid compromising the U.S. and the European Union because of the secret alliance that binds them to these groups (intelligence operatives and subversive infiltration within the New Gladio).
Thus, the Western mainstream press can present them today as fighters for democracy in the face of the "Russian invasion". However their methods, ideology and actions are a continuation of the same Nazi practices that took place in 1933-1939.
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Money...is there still any doubt in anyone's mind that any of what's going on anywhere is about anything else? MONEY leads to power leads to control. Period.
They were probably OK that fresh milk is only 5 days....but the deal feel apart when the IMF wanted a fresh beet to be over two months old....that and cabbage killed the deal...
Since Ukraine may get partitioned and the productive farmland is in the Western part.
http://www.waste-management-world.com/articles/2013/01/germany-to-boost-...
Germany is to assist Ukraine establish domestic biofuel production capacity through the course of this year, according to the Ministry of Agrarian Policy and Food of Ukraine (MAP).
At the recent joint Ukraine-Germany council meeting, Jurgen Keinhorst, a the representative of the German Federal Ministry of Environment said that pilot projects in the sector may involve German investment.
According to MAP, the meeting saw Ukrainian scientists present their draft projects for the pilot biofuel complexes, which would produce thermal power and biogas out of the agricultural waste using German technology and equipment.
The Ministry added that currently the country has around 30 such projects.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/wednesdays-headlines-biofuel-bre...
http://pellets-wood.com/in-ukraine-sugar-beets-will-be-used-in-the-produ...
The Ministry of Agricultural Policy of Ukraine announced that it intends to allocate 40 million tons of sugar beet for the production of biofuel.
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The biofuels and raping the Ukraine for it's fertile farmland to grow food for biofuel instead feeding the people first is a whole nother sub plot in this whole mess.
interesting sidebar in the kyivpost link:
The U.S. authorities may have a tapping facility in Kyiv, according to a document leaked by WikiLeaks, an international whistle-blower site. The document lists Kyiv as one of 74 cities of the world where such facilities operate, according to Segodnya daily. Former head of the SBU Oleksandr Skypalskiy told the newspaper that the American tapping facility might not necessarily be stationary. He said American secret services also use mobile tapping facilities the size of a briefcase that are capable of tapping 100 phones at the same time.
looks like the good people of Kyiv should watch The Conversation on Netflix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i61lUxshSn0
Of the 100 only two dissenters, Rand Paul, R, Kentucky and Dean Heller, R, Nevada voted against Ukrainian Aid bill. Congratulations to them for standing up to the Congressional leadership. Congress wastes 2 Billion more we don't have, and on what? Getting us embroiled in another war? Why is it they can come to a consensus on this, but not on anything that involves domestic policy?
rand please save america
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save amerika we do need
safe travels
Obama may find it is easier to nail current jelly to a wall than get a binding agreement with the crooks in Kiev.
Between this and the Turkish YouTube leak, my darkest suspicions are being abundantly confirmed. Really, it was pretty obvious all along, but it's just not what you'd want to believe.
What now, declare parliament void, use EuroMaidan thugs to clear the building, hold a revote with a dozen fascist EU tools and pass the bailout package? Nobody in Hollywood could write this script. What now, Ukraine is bankrupt in under 10 days, while US unemployed lose their homes and unemployment insurance, the Whore House in Washington rushes to send billions to Ukriane!
How do the brainless American sheep roll with this system. I talked to some sheep the other night, they all feared that Russia was about to launch an all out invasion of the Baltics, Finland and Ukraine. I told them this was not going to happen, and gave them many good reasons, all I got was opened mouth blank stares. Americans deserve the title SHEEP, too fucking dumb for words.
"Putin is watching TV. Calls up his Chief of Intelligence: “Give Tyagnibok a medal for banning the use of Russian in Ukraine. What do you mean he isn't one of ours? Ok, give Yarosh a medal for the idea of blowing up Ukrainian gas transit lines. What do you mean, that's his own doing? How about that cretin Lyashko? How about those cretins from Svoboda—Miroshnichenko and others? So, DO WE HAVE ANY AGENTS ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE AT ALL?! Where the hell are they? What the hell do you mean they bought a dump-truck of pop-corn and a tanker truck beer and are watching it like a movie?!!!” Hangs up in disgust. Calls again: “How could you let Muzychko get killed?” in http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.pt/
Always ask, "cui bono?" (who benefits)
So we're going to punish Russia by sending a billion dollars to the Ukrainians so they can pay the Russians part of what they are owed? Brilliant.
So much for those fiscally responsible Congresscreeps of all parties. Hey, let's take it out of THEIR paychecks!
The point of this is not to help someone. It is for hosing debt on Ukrainian people for the benefit of banks and global corporations.