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Jim Rogers: "America Is Shooting Itself In The Foot" Over Russia

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There is no reason for Russia to worry about the western sanctions it is facing now over the Ukrainian issue since "Moscow has too many other trade partners to work with," Jim Rogers explains in this interview, adding that "America is shooting itself in a foot getting the most of our world to pushing China and Russia closer together." Simply put, he warns, "I don’t see any sanctions strategy that they can use that will hurt Russia worse than it will hurt the people imposing those sanctions."

Via Voice Of Russia,

Could China’s decision to purchase superjet planes be viewed as a gesture of support following a series of sanctions imposed by the West against Moscow over the Ukrainian issue?

Of course it is. I’m an American, so I hate to say this, but America is shooting itself in a foot getting the most of our world to pushing China and Russia closer together. And you are going to see more and more trade between the two. And that makes the sanctions against Russia almost impossible, because there are other people who will not play.

And are there chances for the Russia Sukhoi Superjet planes to compete with other major plane-makers?

I don’t think that the Russians have enough to compete with Boeing planes yet. But you are certainly getting better. I mean, as far as cargo planes, you are probably better than anybody else. And if people are forcing you or forcing other people to buy from you, then, of course, your costs will go down, your quality will get better and it will only benefit Russia, but not benefit Europe or America.


I think that’s one reason Europe and America are a little hesitant to do too much about the sanctions, because they know that they may lose more than they will gain.

And there are some articles on the Internet right now where different experts say that the sanctions imposed by the EU and the US could be bad only for them. What do you think about this sanctions strategy that the US and the EU are using with respect to Russia?

I don’t see any sanctions strategy that they can use that will hurt Russia worse than it will hurt the people imposing those sanctions. You have many people who will trade with you – China, Iran, many of your neighbours. America cannot patrol all of those borders. You can get just about any products you need. Plus, some of the products that you sell, other people need them very-very badly, such as natural gas and some of the metals.


I think Mr. Obama is making the fool of himself yet again. After all, Mr. Obama is the one who instigated the coup in Ukraine where there was an elected Government. Mr. Obama, his diplomats are recorded and we have recordings of them saying – we’ve got to do something about this Government. And then, when it went against him, he got angry. And I’m afraid he is going to shoot himself in the foot yet again.

And if we come back to this Sukhoi Superjet deal, does it mean that Moscow is switching to the eastern market and what are the other Asian countries that Moscow could cooperate with in the nearest future, apart from China?

Of course, Russia is being forced to look east and not necessarily because they want to, but because they have to. If people are going to impose the sanctions and if you look to the east, you’d see who is out there, who may or may not trade with you. Not just North Korea, not just China, some other countries –Myanmar, Thailand, Vietnam certainly will, Indonesia certainly will. So, many people that don’t have problems with Russia these days, they will be happy to trade with Russia.

So, this decision to purchase these superjet planes is a gesture of support followed by the sanctions. And what about China’s trade with Ukraine in this regard? Will they stop any economic relations with Ukraine?

I doubt it. I don’t know why they would. I mean, they don’t want to be involved in a trade war. So, I don’t see why most Asian nations would cut off Ukraine or Russia, or anybody else. This is the fight Mr. Obama has picked and, perhaps, to some extent Mr. Putin. But I don’t know why China would stop trading with Ukraine, I don’t see that at all.


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Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:09 | 4604337 Cattender
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i'm buying Silver!!!!!

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:28 | 4604370 AlaricBalth
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Egypt. Afghanistan. Syria. Ukraine. The list goes on and on
This is the most amateurish administration in this country's history. Was speaking to an associate in China and he commented, "...that President of yours is a, how do you Americans say, a bush leaguer. "

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:48 | 4604414 Pladizow
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"Again" implies it stopped!

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:49 | 4604417 NoDebt
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Great, now you guys are blaming George Bush, too.

Just messing with you.  I know what you meant. And 47% of the US agrees with you.  Which is why he got a second term.

Let me acquaint you with another American phrase: "Running out the clock."  For the next 3 years we're going to sit here and watch this idiot continue to screw up everything he touches.  Inside and outside the country.  His presidency is already over, though he doesn't see it.  He's got executive orders and foreign policy to play with during those 3 years.  That's it.  Nobody's going to play with him any more.

After that, we survey the damage and see if there's anything salvagable.  We expect there won't be much.


Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:33 | 4604761 acetinker
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Oh yeah, Jim Rogers is a puppet too, just as his erstwhile pal George Soros is.  They're wealthy puppets, but that don't earn points in my court.

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Assignment complete. Have a nice weekend. :-)

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 00:46 | 4604919 eatthebanksters
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Outin is the puppet master!

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:34 | 4606678 acetinker
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Alaric let me first say that, I admire you and your people.  If you knew that I got kicked out of religious skools twice, would that change your opinion of me?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 10:00 | 4605243 Quick
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I read this BS all the time. It is pure BS used by liberals to give this useless amateur a pass.

Obama was picked for his stupidity and his agreement with what is going on. 

Don't let incompetance cloud your thinking and never believe he doesn't know what he's doing. He's just too stupid to do anything reasonably well.


Then again - maybe that's why he was picked.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:06 | 4606604 MeelionDollerBogus
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He's not thinking, and not doing anything but rubber-stamping & using executive orders (and not in this case). Just like Bush before him.

There are no liberals, nor conservatives.

Just serfs & kings. Any other impression is just delusional.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 02:07 | 4604978 Freddie
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Nothing will change.  If you though the USA had a real election then you are delusional. It is that BS Limbaugh pushes with "low information voters."  The GOP should have exposed the fraud but they are the same party now pushing for war with Obama and pushing for amnesty.

Keep dreaming that the world will get better in 2016.  You probably watch TV like other retards.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:05 | 4604450 Bangin7GramRocks
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What are you implying? That the U.S. should have continued it reign of terror and bombed the shit out of those countries too? I sure hope not. Obama may be a corporate whore, but criticizing him for his reluctance to send more troops to die is quite juvenile. Like has been said a million times...You First!

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:21 | 4604497 AlaricBalth
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Straw man argument.

I don't believe I criticized anyone for not sending more troops to die. I merely opined on the ineptness of the current administration.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 08:03 | 4605151 Keyser
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It would be one thing if Obama was deploying American power from a position of strength, but Obama refuses to use the US military due to lack of backbone. How many "red lines" have been crossed in this term alone? Big difference and you are giving credit where no credit is due. 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:31 | 4606145 MeelionDollerBogus
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You fucks are broke. A lot of soldiers are back from 4 tours, exhausted, injured, never will serve on a battlefield again, and a lot of kids are being told the real scam of the wars & will not sign up, even in desperate poverty.
You want to handle a gatt & shoot people you can join a gang, you don't need to ship out to a foreign war zone.
And you're broke. There's no money to afford expanding military war-fronts given the others are still open, manned & costing mucho-dollaros. Ya, you can print but you can only strain the currency so far & the printing is still happening for everything else so how to pay for it?

Sorry, 'you fucks' being the 'royal you' not you personally, just the Team Murrikinz War Police administration(s).

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:29 | 4604372 knukles
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I'm buying Bitcoin because this Tom Foolery is getting out of hand.
Russia is so isolated they couldn't take over Crimea if they tried.
Risk on off or whatever.
Buy the dregs and sludge.
Make a million before you die.
Retire rich
MF Global, Batman!

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:45 | 4604405 gmrpeabody
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Pour a drink and calm yourself, Knuks.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:43 | 4604565 Troll Magnet
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Make a million. Give half to the gubmint. Another 10% in various taxes. Go back to the drawing board. Realize you're just a slave. Then go buy yourself some shiny coins and at least live free (as much as you can).

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:28 | 4606134 MeelionDollerBogus
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knuks KNUCKS!!

are you switchin ta brand X?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:27 | 4604652 Deathrips
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You're supposed to be buying silver regardless. Unless you are a shill on the wall...getting paid to troll here, you would literally be insane not to be.

I didnt junk you.


Of course the USG is shooting itself in the foot. Ill explain why in one second.

There is literally 0% accountability from or publicly elected officials and public servants. The wrist slapping fines (charged to the taxpayer) and sacrificial lambs arent shit (incarcerated- charged to the taxpayer). In either case they continue to parasite and benefit off this misunderstanding/willfully ignorance  by the public at large. Drop a couple billion dollars worth of taxpayer funded and siphoned off, bombs and dronestrikes on innocent people...whoops, no problem..bill the public. The dont like it....jail the protester... charge the public. Its kind of like being strapped down to obama/bernanke/yellen/dimon shit show and they are billing me for it, I cant leave.


SO back to the question... are they shooting themselves in the foot. OF COURSE THEY ARE SHOOTING THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT!!!!!! Its in their best interest to do it, we pay for it, die in wars for it and they get to golf 100+ days a year, buy the hot chicks, act all day..and get paid to rob us.


The disturbing thing is that i dont think that theres any other country thats any better.

Fuck it I need a drink, bartender!!! Stat.





Sat, 03/29/2014 - 11:33 | 4605365 murpheus
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I just keep wondering what Obama meant when he told Putin he would have more flexibility after the election.  It was on tape for the whole world to see and hear.  Why do we assume Mr. Obama even wants to do what is best for America.  Maybe it is exactly the opposite.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:32 | 4605483 RiverRoad
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With a jackass in the Whitehouse Putin's got a slam dunk and he knows it.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:27 | 4606130 MeelionDollerBogus
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He meant the sphincter.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:43 | 4606537 Remington IV
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I'm buying coffee and cocoa

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:13 | 4604344 SilverIsMoney
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I'm buying gold and silver... right now actually! Going higher in April as GOFO goes negative again - Turd Ferguson is really on to something with the correlation between GOFO and the price. April is a delivery month. He's thinking 10th-15th we see a boom even though the worst will come this Monday. People should really subscribe to his site. I paid him the full 100 for the year and it's been worth every 5OZ of silver... for the entire year. His A2As every Thursday make it worth it. The POG and POS are manipulated. Take advantage while you can...

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:24 | 4604363 ILLILLILLI
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Good thing you stocked up on knee pads...they're proving their worth.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:25 | 4604365 SilverIsMoney
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I only pump products that are worth it. If you want to know what the hell is really going on in PMs you should subscribe to his site. The manipulation is getting worse and the cartel is getting more desperate. The time to take advantage is right now. the POS under 20 should be an automatic buy as should gold under 1300.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:51 | 4604415 gmrpeabody
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The Turd has been buying for the last 4 or 5 years. The rest of us would have been busted by now if we had blindly followed.

FYI... nobody has a handle on this yet. At least nobody that gets the news as it happens. There are the few..., the proud..., that get their news before it happens. They are doing OK...

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:02 | 4604446 fonzannoon
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his name is turd because he is a piece of shit.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:17 | 4604488 gmrpeabody
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Well..., you're being a little hard on the Turd, aren't you Fonz...?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:27 | 4604511 fonzannoon
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No fuck him. I have seen him come on here and rip the crowd on here. I rip the crowd on here sometimes too but I am on here all the time and enjoy the banter. Sometimes I find that I am the asshole after a good back and forth. People that dip in on here with insults or just spend time on here to sell something can go shit in a hat. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:28 | 4604515 Ralph Spoilsport
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+ 1000

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:49 | 4604580 Ralph Spoilsport
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FU Turd. Anybody that would go on camera or in public in that stupid hat deserves ignominy.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:54 | 4604591 Ralph Spoilsport
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Priceless comment at any price.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:57 | 4604596 fonzannoon
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Whatever with this Ralph. This place used to be fight club. If Turd is out there he is welcome to come on here and state his case. This place needs to get it's spirit back. It has turned into fucking Dear Abby lately. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:27 | 4604801 Aussie V
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It's just 'nure' with a ma in front of it. "ma nure it's not bad!"

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:04 | 4604449 greatbeard
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>> products that are worth it.

Turd's site wasn't worth it when it was free.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:06 | 4604457 Bangin7GramRocks
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What the hell would you pay for. He would tell you to buy silver? It's like fitness magazines telling you a new way to do a crunch each month.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 11:38 | 4605375 Blano
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Here's the Turd site and posts in a nutshell...

"Cartel cartel cartel cartel blah blah blah blah".........

Great job Turd great job Turd great job Turd great job Turd great job Turd etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:24 | 4606119 MeelionDollerBogus
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Worse by how much? The tactics are the same, the goal is the same, the moves don't look alarmingly bigger or smaller than the last 3 years, so what's "worse"? Quantify this using math, please.

By all means these are great prices to stack but that's not what I'm questioning.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:44 | 4604568 I_rikey_lice
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"Turd Ferguson is really on to something with the correlation between GOFO and the price"


Turd Ferguson is not the one to connect the GOFO rates and price of gold. One of the posters on his site, I believe S.Roche, was the one to first begin to talk about GOFO rates a year or two ago!

Turd and Harvey and the rest only talk about GOFO thanks to the Roche fella!

Turd does deserve credit for being about 80% wrong for the past 3 years, which isn't easy to do when you think about it.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:22 | 4606113 MeelionDollerBogus
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For paper traders in the gold & silver market using margin & hoping to get cash every week or month? I bet they'd be glad if they were only 80% wrong, if not insider-trading.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:15 | 4604345 williambanzai7
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BRICs: Those countris that can thumb their noses at Amerika

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:17 | 4604350 kaiserhoff
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Or we could wait for Europe to get its act together and defend its own interests,

  and wait, and wait, and wait...

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:37 | 4604376 knukles
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Why didn't somebody point out their energy dependence on Russia before now, what?
I mean after all, the French think Jerry Lewis is funny and Citroens are sexy cars.

Ah, they're just all worried about the Escargot.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:20 | 4604493 kaiserhoff
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Just because Citroen means lemon in Frog, you shouldn't leap to conclusions.

Well, in this case, you might as well;)

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:14 | 4604476 Ahmeexnal
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Raping Ukraine is what's in europe's own interests. Just as they raped Yugoslavia.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:43 | 4604562 Ifigenia
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"Or we could wait for Europe to get its act together and defend its own interests, and wait, and wait, and wait..."

wait is a good strategy, specially when you have a weak hand. i dare say Europe interests are diferent from what we get from msm.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 09:31 | 4605215 Wile-E-Coyote
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Europe refuses to put meaningful sanctions on Russia, that's why O’Barmy is looking really ill lately. EU said FU America. We are not fucking our economies to save the Petrodollar.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:22 | 4604360 Uncle Remus
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Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:27 | 4604368 gatorengineer
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emerging markets have taken off the last two weeks.  someone knows something

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:33 | 4604381 knukles
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I thought that was supposed to be in August.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:22 | 4604500 kaiserhoff
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Emerging markets:

  Your money goes in, tears come out.   Only true for the last fifty years, so what the hell do I know?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:31 | 4604380 RaceToTheBottom
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What, did the Obamster just commit to using Sukhoi Superjet to make the next AirForce 1?

Oh My.....

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:43 | 4604384 FinalCollapse
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No - as much as I respect Mr. Rogers he is totally disconnected from the hard facts. You need to look at what RuSSia can trade - and it is mostly oil/gas and arms.

When it comes to gas RuSSia is totally fucked. The EU will soon shut off the gas imports and switch to Norway and Algeria. This is fact and is already rapidly happening. The South Stream is dead. Poland and Ukraine can completely cut off the gas transit at will and there is nothing Russkies can do about it. Trust me - they will do it asap. North Stream can stay - I wonder if anything will be flowing thru it as Germany may not like to buy anymore.

The pipes to China are cancelled - no demand. The  Tajikistan pipe cancelled. Turkmenistan opened huge pipes to China and will satisfy 100% Chinese demand.

The bottom line is - no one wants to buy gas from RusSSkies as they know their intentions are dishonest and imperial - if not fascist. Everyone already diversified to non-RuSSian supplies and RuSSkies can stuff these pipes into their stinky asses.

The same for oil - as they switch energy from oil to natural gas or to renewables the demand for oil will be flat at the best while everyone is diversifying away from RuSSkies.


What remains are arms. Quite descent arms but untested against American hardware recently. So far, each time we had RuSSian arms competing with American ones the American hardware won without much contest. All countries know it. They don't like America but prefer to buy the American hardware. How much Syria and Iran can purchase? China is developing their own hardware, possibly superior, and is turning off the money spigot right now when it comes to RuSSian arms.

The rest of it is pathetic tundra and bunch of alcoholics. Oligarchs are syphoning money away so by the time the country goes to crappper (where it belongs) there will be nothing left there but poor quality vodka. Their good looking women will be laughing in California or Monaco. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:43 | 4604400 CrashisOptimistic
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I'm just wondering if you are aware that you have no idea what you're talking about?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:48 | 4604407 FinalCollapse
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These are hard facts (just Google if you can)- but you need to be able to read anything above the imbecile level. Next time you go to the corner liquor store buy your mother a bottle of whisky - you are the reason she is drinking.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:31 | 4604499 Volkodav
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Maybe can explain this recent...

 "That Was No Small War in Georgia" Mark Ames Radar Magazine

Gruzins had billions taxpayers newest equip and training, advisors and personel from west on the ground..after first few hours, abandoned tons of fresh new equipment and ran......especially from Vostok and Zapad Chechen Battalions..

Russia sent only older T54 up to T72...nothing near late model armor..

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:38 | 4604545 Ralph Spoilsport
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Voldakov, I like the cut of your jib, man.


Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:49 | 4604838 Volkodav
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Notice that at end of that article the Maidan cookie lady's husband is mentioned.....

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:36 | 4604690 TheReplacement
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Running away is not fighting and losing to a superior force.  Georgia didn't prove much except the Georgian troops weren't prepared for a real fight and the Russians had the airpower.  Airpower beats tanks, APCs, and fortifications all day, any day.  Not having airpower will lead to troops running away or surrendering because they have no viable hope for survival, much less victory, should they stand and fight.  This is why rebel groups virtually never go toe to toe with the regular military once there is some thunder rumbling above.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:47 | 4604832 Volkodav
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Russia had not superior force engaged when most of Georgians, advisors and mercs panicked and ran.

Russians and S. Ossettians were outnumbered, grabbed hard and advanced while other forces moved up.

Neither was airpower in face to face of streets.





Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:43 | 4604563 CrashisOptimistic
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I somewhat don't like to hype any website here, but this one:

is where you'll need to go to have a look at Algerian nat gas production and exports.  Declining production and declining exports, and who did you think they were exporting to already?  From the EIA:

"Algeria produced 2.9 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of dry natural gas in 2011. Production has steadily declined since 2005 as the country's large and mature fields are depleting."

As usual there is all sorts of talk of infinite reserves coming online some time always in the future, but it won't be this year or next.  Decline is the operative word.  Look for it in all research.



Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:15 | 4604629 magnetosphere
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very nice website thanks

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:19 | 4604635 FinalCollapse
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Algeria produces about 80 bcm of gas. Europe imports around 130 bcm. Plenty of gas available for exports. They have huge documented gas deposits so it is not a problem. Production dipped b/c of mismanagement and terrorism. Someone is trying to destabilize them...hmmm.

Also your good friends at the mazascience forgot to include Nigeria into the equation. The pipeline from Nigeria to Algeria is coming online next year. North Africa and EU will be swimming (or floating) in the abundand gas.

Algeria has four undersea gas pipes feeding EU. More coming...


Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:39 | 4604682 CrashisOptimistic
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Yes, there is always "more coming" in the world of delusional abundance.

But if those pipes are already there, then they are already flowing.  And they are flowing a declining amount because SINCE 2005 there has been less and less.

Now I know in your world when you see things happening for 10 years, you are sure that NOW will be the time that will change.  But NOW hasn't arrived for 10 years, and why in your bizarre universe can you conclude that 2014 is different than 2006, or 2012, or any of those years in between.

Empty means empty.  It doesn't mean "more coming".

To further your education, did you know that Indonesia was once a member of OPEC?  No longer.  Do you know why no longer?  Because of decline.  Because empty means empty.  It doesn't mean more coming.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 06:59 | 4605126 MeelionDollerBogus
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Oil reserves, gas reserves, gold reserves, all documented-like in legit-fashion you sees, like da COMEX.

Hey, what says you meets me over on dat there tall bridge, I gots a Nigerian contact with royalty back in da home land ya sees, information be solid. Jus' come alone, after dark, bring money and ya, come alone. All very legits you sees.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 00:11 | 4604872 Volkodav
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Your little ad hominem attack is not sign of intelligence..

nor did finding google all by yourself...

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:56 | 4604432 A Lunatic
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The bottom line is - no one wants to buy gas from RusSSkies as they know their intentions are dishonest and imperial - if not fascist.


9 out of 10 "They" prefer the good old fashioned, dishonest, Imperial American brand of Fascism........

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:05 | 4604444 FinalCollapse
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No - I did not mean it. I appreciate good humor and sarcasm but this is not what I am saying so please do not imply....even  if indirectly. I am opposed to the American  fascism as much if not more than anyone on this website.

Farthermore, I am  coming from family with very proud traditions fighting for liberty - for generations. Very few here can match these traditions.


I am appaled by the number of simpletons here who are Putin ball's lickers. He is the worst enemy of liberty. There are no good guys here. Putin is continuation of fascism, communism, NKWD, KGB and he is already invading many other smaller countries trying to restore the old Stalin's 'glory'. It is absolutely appaling that you folks call yourself libertarians while licking this authoritarian's balls. Shame. You should never call yourself Libertarians  - not even in lowercase.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:08 | 4604461 fonzannoon
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You generalize a bit much.  Not everyone on here loves Putin. 

btw I love "farthermore". Tremendous.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:15 | 4604479 FinalCollapse
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Thank you for correcting ('Farthermore') me. My bad.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:19 | 4604491 fonzannoon
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You know I took some issue with what you said above but I spoke to someone the other day who made a great case for this situation ending up with fracking all over the U.S and a natural gas boom and Russia totally fucked and the U.S smelling like roses. I'm not an expert on this stuff but the way it was presented seemed plausable. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:29 | 4604519 UselessEater
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"The Holy Grail for Moscow is a natural gas supply deal with China that is apparently close to completion. It might be signed and sealed when Putin visits Beijing China in May. It would demonstrate that global power has shifted eastwards, and do so emphatically." Jim Willie

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:04 | 4604599 FinalCollapse
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I hate to break the news to you but this pipe is as dead as the  South Stream. Please, don't cry this weekend :-(

Meanwhile, the Chinese president Xi opened another pipeline from Turkmenistan to China.

China will also build another so called 'Line D' from Turkmenistan via Tajikistan bypassing Kazahstan - just in case. This also caused cancellation of the pipe from Russia to Tajikistan.

Btw - the gas volume on the pipe from Turkmenistan to RuSSia went down by 75% and it the pipe will be dead soon. Putin can keep it.

The facts on the ground are brutal to RuSSia. That's why they are so fucked and they may be picking up wars now - because nothing is left to do.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:19 | 4604639 UselessEater
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Thanks for the links FC, I don't have a dog in this fight (hehe) just curious about the research behind the various perspectives being put forward, including yours, to try and get a handle on this FU state of affairs.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 06:55 | 4605125 MeelionDollerBogus
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Researching pipelines is like researching mines. If you don't have hired guns on the ground & go kick the tires yourself you ain't seen shit, don't know shit & it could be as solid as a Nigerian Prince's inheritance.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:19 | 4604492 bobert
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Remember this is a fight club.
Keep your hands up and look for good opportunities to strike.
I respect your spirit.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:37 | 4604539 greatbeard
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>> this is a fight club.

And count the red flags as atta boys.  If you're not pissing people off, your not saying much worth reading.  Cheerleaders are a dime a dozen.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:46 | 4604710 Ralph Spoilsport
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"Specialization is for insects"

-Robert A. Heinlein

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:17 | 4604485 A Lunatic
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Putin vs. Obama; America vs. Russia; China vs. EU;'s all the same tiresome divide and conquer bullshit wrapped in flag waving nationalism. A true Libertarian would not be blinded by such foolishness.......

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:21 | 4604498 FinalCollapse
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Agree - majority of us here are picking wrong fight.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 00:13 | 4604874 Anusocracy
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America's enemy is the US government, not the Russian government.
That's the Russians' enemy.

Just keep remembering the Christmas truce in WWI and you will understand.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:36 | 4604689 Ifigenia
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"I am appaled by the number of simpletons here who are Putin ball's lickers....Putin is continuation of fascism, communism, NKWD, KGB and he is already invading many other smaller countries trying to restore the old Stalin's 'glory'."


Interesting, very interesting, very very interesting.

I am a simpleton, but am not a Putin ball`s lickers, nor any politicians or 1% ball`s lickers, could make a deal with you? You show me how many smaller countries Putin invaded and i show you how many countries USA invade or pushed for regime changes in the same period?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:59 | 4604736 TheReplacement
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One does not excuse the other.  If you are honest, Putin is a bad guy just like Obama.  The fact that all the downvoters here don't come forward and tell us how great it is since they left the US to move to Russia seems to indicate that nobody seriously believes they would be happier under the great Putin. 

You think the US is worse?  Put your money where your mouth is and move to Russia. 

Conversely, why have many Russians been moving out of Russia for the past 20 years or so?

Putin and Russia have come back a long way since their economic implosion.  Most of that time the US was clearly THE dominant global player.  When there has been opportunity with impunity Putin has been aggressive and extremely bloody.  His impunity is growing (perv) and he will continue to be more aggressive.  He will strike when he has the advantage and for as long as he has the advantage.  It's almost like he's playing chess with his country and the world.  To the rest of us the game isn't as fun. 

Cheering on Putin because you genuinely like and/or admire the guy is like whining about how "Your dictator is better than our dictator."  The ball licking is kind of sad and pathetic that way.  It becomes maddening and hypocritical when it comes from supposed lovers of liberty.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:40 | 4604813 Ifigenia
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For me, every politicians are bad, until proven the contrary by History over time.

Putin has only one positive point, it show how bad is the West. Something like the China report about USA Human Rights. In the old time, we have US report about every countries of the World, except herself, but with China contribution, which complete the circle, we know USA Human Rights records is no different. This mean a like China? No.

In the end, i like to live in a World with more balance of powers. There is no good or bad countries, only the West leaders have this illusion and bombard us every day with it by the controlled msm and want us, me as a sheep, to sacrifice everything for those bastards and 1% banksters.

PS:"Conversely, why have many Russians been moving out of Russia for the past 20 years or so" good question. Perhaps some of them are oligarcs and had robb the country and fly. And it only means the 1% are well protected in the West. V.g., do you know one banksters who is prosecute by the subprime ponzi sheme?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:37 | 4604691 vic and blood
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I am appalled by the Bath House Barry Buddies that cannot resist describing homosexual acts. You may have some latent issues, but no one probably wants to hear about it.

Your pipeline D is far from a done deal. It may even be a bluff to get a lower price. I get the distinct impression that China would probably prefer Russian gas, but is trying to lowball Gazprom. Pipeline D is about as sketchy as it gets. You are twisting facts because of your shallow bias. You don't seek knowledge to escape from your ignorance, but instead, cherry pick to rationalize your jingoistic programming. Your links do NOT make your lame case in spite of your verbal diarrhea. 

By the way, the last war that may have actually been about American liberty was the War of 1812. Anything since has been about empire and I regret to inform you that your relative's sacrifices had nothing to do with American liberty. Quite the contrary.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 08:39 | 4605176 Liberty2012
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Thank you for using language in a civil manner. I think the overuse of the term Fight Club around here lately is an attempt to downgrade the site. This site is about sharing ideas. The fighting is a sideline.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:47 | 4604707 TheReplacement
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I feel ya there young fella.  Don't call the cops, k.

What he's saying is there are no good tyrants.  That is simply true by definition.  Putin is a tyrant, of whatever flavor he actually favors.  Closet emperor is my best guess.  Whatever the case may be, he's not better than the rest except that he does seem more skilled.  He doesn't have a truly strong hand but he plays aggressively during the brief times that he has the advantage and dogs it when he doesn't.  He piles up wins quick and then sort of withdraws and doesn't lose fights he doesn't participate in.  He picks his battles very well.  All the time he gets personally richer at the expense of his people and those who are not his that he rules over.

From the other point of view, it is nice to see someone taking down our tyrants a peg or two.  Perhaps Putin will do such a good job that we the people may actually rise to power.  The danger is that Putin becomes too strong and we too weak in the process.  Imagine playing three way teeter totter but with way more than three sides.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:58 | 4604854 Ifigenia
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for me, the sheeps would not have to sacrifice for anyone, not for our tyrants nor for others tyrants. if those politicians and 1% want to fight send their childrens.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 08:46 | 4605180 Agstacker
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Sorry, you must be an Obama voter.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 06:36 | 4605113 MeelionDollerBogus
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I wouldn't be caught dead usin' Brand X!

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:12 | 4604467 bobert
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Insightful FC.

However, it's not popular to be perceived as anti-Russian on ZH these days.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:19 | 4604490 FinalCollapse
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Thank you. Time to speak hard facts. Facts are not kind to RuSSia.

We can differ in opinions. I thought that this is Libertatrian website but I can see that 90% are haters of Liberty and ball lickers of the worst authoritarian.

They are all fascist: American, Russian, etc. We are picking wrong enemy. I guess everyone uses that binary and simplistic logic that enemy of my enemy is my friend. Black and white. Primitive and wrong. There are no good guys here.



Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:27 | 4604503 fonzannoon
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Most on here have libertarian views but apparently some on here just want a leader with an iron fist. Very fucking ironic but it's not everyone. Just some people.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:37 | 4604542 UselessEater
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'just want a leader....' *sigh* Nothing like fixing the problem with more leadership.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:21 | 4604791 IridiumRebel
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I just wanna be left alone. Is that too hard to ask?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:42 | 4604827 UselessEater
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The mafia doesn't like exceptions.

However there is always away, just gotta find it and I am thinking its going to require a different thought process beyond prepping - not discounting that, not criticising, just pondering there is another step beyond prepping.

Anticipation of events can include prepping and also re-positioning oneself and family for the emerging future. We may not be able to fight the 'new' using our current (or old) mindsets. Beyond prepping there may be ways to flourish in the new "economy". I would like to hear more about that idea from ZH'rs.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:47 | 4604834 IridiumRebel
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I could lay out preps, but it means nothing. We prolly are positioned as good as anyone. I think self sustainable is the key. But if people are looking to pick fights, nowhere will be safe.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 00:03 | 4604863 UselessEater
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Are they not picking fights with an agenda of their making?

The intergenerational wealth behind the corporations and foundations are risk averse to losing their control (=wealth and power). Therefore they require some functioning economy/civilisation across the span of useful resources on the planet.

The light cannot be fully turned out on any continent (aka resource land mass with some useless eaters and some useful human containers/resources), plundering must continue because they never have enough.

I simply want to test and question the meme that prepping is our only future and all hell will reign. There may be a new normal that the sheeple do not buck but the rest of us could adapt for.

A question I'm considering more because I possibly have a good 30-40 years left to enjoy my life ;)

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 06:00 | 4605092 Raging Debate
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Useless Eater - I believe what you are looking for is a pathway to a "glorius" future. A national focus could be using science to obtain immortality.
Perhaps that will happen. But more importantly now for you is economic advice or ar least some input.

Here is my quick take: The owners of the American government and the politicians are still vested in multinational corporations which are just now beginning to reinvest in America. These things do take time. There is a big headwind of boomers retiring. Ageing folk withdraw consumption. Health care costs are rising because of demand and government supporting monopolies. America is a waning empire that does still hold a lot of promise domestically, but much of senior leadership do not have experience with Save and Invest economies. Many are older and slated for retirement themselves (a good thing in my eyes we need new blood). So I say that it will be a couple more election cycles in terms of time to be moving away from stagflation and into a renewed growth period. We're like France now for the next several years. That means learning to get out and mingle, pursue more personal interests than investment.

As for profitable work, learn databases like Oracle/SQL get certified, open a data management or marketing business. Databases are the new paper mills. Think about that. I am investing in real estate now and then stocks 2016 for a five year period. I would say by 2021 barring WW3 Americans will feel a lot better about the future. For now, it looks bleak but that is also because governments like people in fear. Since there are no carrots to offer anymore, all that is used is the stick. Since the reserve currency is going to China and the exact year I stated it would, American politicians will need American taxpayers because printing is no longer an option and banker comtributions through lending (money multiplier is near zero now) can't continue either. The easy days for politicians are ending and good riddance, America needs new blood willing to actually WORK an eight hour day ten months a year and not just at election time.

America's future is going to be very bright but it will remain dark looking for another several years because of the headwinds and transitions mentioned.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 08:50 | 4605183 Liberty2012
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Very interesting Thank you Raging Debate

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 09:10 | 4605201 IridiumRebel
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Sat, 03/29/2014 - 06:33 | 4605112 MeelionDollerBogus
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Now we get to enjoy the global warming ecological collapse, we get to enjoy Fukushima planetary irradiation, we get to enjoy weaponized disease wars when things go real ugly for WW3 and we get to enjoy all the slave-stomping by police-states in the dominant nations of the world all the way till then.

The next 4 decades will be grand.

Do unicorns shit skittles, or was that cyanide pills?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 09:18 | 4605208 greatbeard
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>> a good 30-40 years left

I'm looking at 30 years on the outside, considering most of the folks in my family live to be 90 or so.

I see a slow, gradual grind down, much like the arch druid guy expects.  I've got my priorities set to enjoy my life to it's fullest based on that.  I have no kids so I'm not all that upset about the shit hole we're leaving. I don't expect anything like complete break down, just a gradual reduction in quality of life, with the occaisional quick drop lower.  I do prepare for worst, but I don't expect it.  If the SHTF, a 60 year old guy really doesn't have a bright future anyway.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:24 | 4605695 CrashisOptimistic
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The slow, gradual grind down is a very popular perspective of the folks who have brought themselves to embrace the concept of scarcity and decline, and to their credit one has to note that may of them DO have children and there is no more difficult perspective to acknowledge . . . that their kids have a future that will be darker every year.

But this perspective is dependent on human beings behaving in a non human way.  That is, tolerating decline, and tolerating it unevenly.  The US burns 24% of global oil output with 4% of the population.  No one else is even close to that.  China seeks to grow its GDP.  They MUST suppress US consumption.

Eventually by interdicting tankers.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:56 | 4606396 greatbeard
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>> The US burns 24% of global oil output with 4% of the population.

Precisely.  There is a huge amount that can be saved just by conserving and living much more rational lives. We've beem taught to over consume as a general principal.  We can cut way back and still have very satisfying lives.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:00 | 4604739 TheReplacement
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It isn't everyone but it also isn't just some.  It's a lot.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 09:03 | 4605194 Liberty2012
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Libertarians are always attacked. Anyone who stands for personal responsibility is always attacked. The freedom of truth is threatening to both those who want control and those who like bring controlled. In that sense war of some sort is ubiquitous and inevitable. The anarchist libertarians don't want to see that. Every group has their unicorns and brawlers.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:39 | 4604538 bobert
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Stay tuned FC.

Read carefully. I think you will find the greatest concern here is the NWO. And, rightfully so.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:11 | 4604765 TheReplacement
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How this for a crazy idea?  Perhaps Obama is being flexible.  He couldn't act like an absolute baffoon before the election or he'd have lost.  Now, not so much.  He is leading the the destruction of this country mob and pushing at an ever accelerating pace.  It can only be a matter of short time before the mask finally comes off and the real plot is revealed.  I would not be surprised in the least if Putin and Obama are on the same team and both are aware of it (versus unlinked cells or individuals managed by different handlers).

This level of incompetence is just more than is practically feasible for a man who managed to raise upwards of $2B and win two national elections as he has.  The acting is so bad it's just not believable anymore. 


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 06:29 | 4605106 MeelionDollerBogus
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Ya, all flexible like, in the sphincter. No matter how you cut it, it's lookin' pretty sad.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:56 | 4604731 vic and blood
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Too bad someone with admirable composition skills can be so blind and waste them by merely parroting mainstream thought with a little embellishment and obscentity. I kinda feel sorry for you. A good mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 00:00 | 4604858 CrashisOptimistic
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Here.  You deserve this.  You did well:


That's the CEO of ENI laying down the law of numbers.



Sat, 03/29/2014 - 00:41 | 4604910 vic and blood
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Appreciate the article very much! Thank you.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:21 | 4604643 ImReady
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I am not so sure that ZH'ers are as Pro-Russia as some think. I get the feeling many are anti-Obama and are enjoying Putin stuffing Obamas face in his own shit on nearly a daily basis. 

I for one find it very entertaining. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:58 | 4604595 Bazza McKenzie
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Dream on.

"Poland and Ukraine can completely cut off the gas transit at will and there is nothing Russkies can do about it".  All the Ukraine that matters to Putin will be part of Russia by Christmas.  The new Ukrainian "government" just struck the first blow with its decision to raise domestic gas prices by 100% and impose capital controls, not to mention assassinating the leader of the Right party.  Ukraine is going to descend into anarchy which will conveniently force Putin into incorporating a large part of Ukraine that will beg to be part of Russia.  And no one in the EU or the US will do anything of consequence to stop it.

And if you imagine Germany is going to tolerate Poland and Ukraine cutting off its gas or stuffing up its trade with Russia you truly are deluded.

Putin may be a thug but he is a competent one whose interest is the areas adjacent to Russia that always have been Russian interests (a bit like the Monroe doctrine re the Americas).  He is confronted by thugs and bullies, ie Obama and the crowd running the EU who are every bit as vicious as Putin, if not more so, and who think the whole world is theirs to play with and drone, but who are basically incompetent cowards.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:29 | 4604805 vic and blood
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Well stated! I wish I could write something that cogent.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 00:54 | 4604930 dexter_morgan
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You forgot the /sarc off tag I think?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 02:40 | 4605000 MeelionDollerBogus
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If that were true instead of suicide there'd be no 100% increase in Ukraine gas prices. But there is. So you are obviously the one disconnected from resources-reality.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 03:57 | 4605043 dogismycopilot
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yes, because installing oil and gas infrastructure is as easy as typing on a keyboard.


(man, the US DOS hires some of the dumbest fucking people to post propaganda sometimes.)

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:34 | 4604386 A Lunatic
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America Gone Full Retard; the extended slide into oblivion edition. (viewer discretion is advised).......

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 20:54 | 4604413 Muc Metals
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"Waiting for sanctions..."


BTW: Mobile Topol-M launcher in the background.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:06 | 4604456 Volkodav
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Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:05 | 4604453 Yen Cross
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    I've planted 3 lemon trees, 2 mounds of Connecticut pumpkins, and 3pots of everbearing strawberries.

 I forgot the potted bermuda onions, and some other goodies.  BITCHEZ

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:16 | 4604484 bobert
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How do keep the squirrels from eating them?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:28 | 4604513 Yen Cross
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  My berrries(strawberry everbering) are in pots are in raised planters. Gophers are vicious.  My new lemons trees are being introducded next to old fruit trees.

  My  Bermuda onions suprisingly?  Don't need much help. The stems on my pumpkin vines detour raccoons and rats.


    Next lesson> Milling sugar

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:54 | 4604571 bobert
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I try hard.

Corn and potatoes are my best crops. And even then I knock myself out trying to keep the weeds away. Knowledgable gardner's in my area say that the weed seeds are in the irrigation water.

Oh we'll.

I'm growing things and that makes me feel good.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 04:51 | 4605064 tsuki
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Mulch, lots of it.  Keeps the weeds down. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:48 | 4604713 flyingcaveman
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You get them drunk, what I think thats for slugs.  They'd probably just get and fall out of the tree while trying to fuck their sister.  Pellet gun, that's it!

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:27 | 4605707 CrashisOptimistic
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Fuck squirrels.

Insects are nature's sledgehammer.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:05 | 4604608 greatbeard
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>> I've planted 3 lemon trees, 2 mounds of Connecticut pumpkins, and 3pots of everbearing strawberries.

The trees I planted two years ago are bearing their first fruit this year.  9 peach, 6 nectarine, 6 pear, 6 apple, 6 persimmon, three plum, three pomigranite, and two figs.  A good crop this year, next should be a banner year.

My strawberry patch is putting out gang busters and my asparagus patch in doing very well.  I'm letting the asparagus go for another year but I stil eat fresh stalks when I'm out working in the garden.

I've got a big batch of onions brussels sprouts and cabbage still coming in from the winter garden.  Already planted for spring: 27 tomatoes in three varieties, 30 peppers in three varities, four rows of potatoes in two varieties, three rows snow peas, five rows shelling peas, three rows black eyed peas, two rows pole beans, four rows drying corn for corn meal, four rows sweet corn.  I'll plant four rows of lima beans tomorrow and black beans and acre peas in about a week.  There'll be more summer garden stuff, but that's enough for spring.

It's more than I can eat, can and give away, but I just love to grow the stuff.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:16 | 4604632 bobert
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OK Greatbeard you've gone and done it.

You've pissed me off enough to get my competitive juices running.

I will now go get some more things to plant in order to stay close to you in production this year.

Pity the squirrels cause they are now my enemy!

(I enjoy your posts.)

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:29 | 4604667 greatbeard
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>> (I enjoy your posts.)

Thanks.  I always worry that I over do it posting on the garden stuff, but I am enjoying myself.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:38 | 4604696 ncdirtdigger
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I hope you planted that corn several weeks apart. If not they will cross pollinate and neither one of your corn crops will be worth the work. I would also plant your black eye peas later in season. They can, and should, be planted later in warmer weather and the spot your cool season crops grew is an idea place. This way you make use of the space twice, and the peas will not draw early season pests to your garden. I grow black eye peas as much for a cover crop as for the peas themselves. Like all legumes, they fix Nitrogen in the soil and grow so thick, they prevent weeds from taking hold.

Good luck with your garden.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:50 | 4604720 bobert
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Thank you!

I'll be planting three crops of corn: 5/15, 6/1, and 6/15.

I'll try the black eye peas also.

And as of tomorrow a whole bunch of other stuff in order to keep up with Greatbeard.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:04 | 4604742 ncdirtdigger
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You are more than welcome. Go ahead and plant the black eye peas at the feet of your corn. The corn will love the nitrogen the peas provide for it. If you have never grown peas/beans in that spot, it will help if you inoculate the peas when planting.
I like to grow Bloody Butcher corn. It is an old, old heirloom that can be eaten right off the ear if picked young. It also makes good cornmeal when left to mature, and if you have one, your wife will like to use it for decorating because it is so colorfully red. If you plan on using your corn for making meal, I would suggest you research nixtamalization (spelling?) which is soaking the corn in lyme to maximize the nutritional value of the cornmeal.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 07:15 | 4605133 greatbeard
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>> I hope you planted that corn several weeks apart.

The maturity on the Dent is 100 day, sweet corn 75, so I should be fine.  Plus the dent is the dominant strain and the sweet is up wind from the predominant wind direction. 


>> I would also plant your black eye peas later in season.

Early planting does seem to draw in the aphids but Neem seems to solve that.  Our local university (UF) ag department recomends southern peas from March on.  I like to get as much in by April 1 as by the end of June is punishingly hot and we tend to have torrential rain.  I'd just as soon be done with harvest/caning by July 1.

I have been looking for a cover crop to plant during my off times.  Your suggestion of black eyed peas is a good one to consider.  I've seen the local commercial peanut guys use rye and had considered that.  The fields of brigh green rye are beautiful.


As usual, I appreciate yours, and anyone's, concerns and constructive criticism.


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 06:40 | 4605116 kragsquest
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Everyone I know in loaded to beart with full compements of guns and precious metals waiting for when TSHTF!!  

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 11:19 | 4605342 greatbeard
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>> waiting for when TSHTF!! 

Eventually many tire of the wait.  It may or may not happen (I'm thinking not), but nothing more boring than abandoning civilized society, being all prepped up waiting for the big shtf splat, and nothing happing, day after day.  Week after week.  Month after month.. Year after year.  And there you are, sitting out in the sticks, all prepped up.  And you can hear the sound of people having fun back in the old hood you left.  It takes some real determination to stick it out.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:15 | 4604478 undertowed
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Dumb and Dumber (Barry and Kerry) should just keep their mouths shut for the next two and a half years so we all don't get vaporized.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:20 | 4604494 Yen Cross
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 I'm on your side of the trade Jim.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:27 | 4604512 Flying Wombat
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Paul Craig Roberts' latest:  "Pushing Toward The Final War"

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 10:51 | 4605312 AdvancingTime
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Interesting link. The article raised many interesting questions!

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:45 | 4604570 Mr Giggles
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No war how many soilders does it take to push an abrahams through the desert, America dont end in shame.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:49 | 4604715 401-Kulak
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Mr Rogers,

How's that PM and RE thingy working out for ya?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:50 | 4604718 mingkim
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Jim, I am glad you decided to settle in the far east.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:36 | 4604818 NoWayJose
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Obama needs to learn that you cannot put sanctions on countries that are capable of exporting more products or natural resources to other countries than they import themselves. The Arab countries have neither democracies nor do they treat women as liberals think they should. Yet they export oil. Sanctions on China won't work because they make most of the products in the world and have control over rare earth minerals. Russia exports energy an controls palladium. Even self-imposed sanctions by our government on US companies usually just means that a French or German company wins the contracts in countries we do not like. One day, the rest of he world will sanction the US - and they will not play nice.

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