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Putin Calls Obama To "Draw Attention To Ukraine Extremists", Obama Replies With Request For Putin To Pull Out
Moments ago the White House made a fine point of announcing that - for the first time since the Ukraine crisis erupted and led to the unanswered annexation of Crimea by Russia - Putin called the White House first to discuss what was vaguely enough described as "a diplomatic resolution to the crisis in Ukraine." However a more detailed read through of what actually happened reveals that there is less here than meets the eye (as a rational person would suspect since any truly good news would have been divulged during market trading hours).
As the Kremlin's own interpretation of the call between the two leaders discloses, "Vladimir Putin drew Barack Obama’s attention to continued rampage of extremists who are committing acts of intimidation towards peaceful residents, government authorities and law enforcement agencies in various regions and in Kiev with impunity."
Here, Putin undoubtedly is focusing on last night's storming of the parliament by the "Right Sector" neonazis, which initially had been insturmental in the violent Ukraine coup and have now become a huge nuisance to the acting government. Which, as we noted yesterday, meant they suddenly had become Putin's best friend. Because in bringing attention to their actions, the Kremlin makes it quite clear that the Russian case of neofascists running rampant in Kiev, was in fact at least partially accurate.
Kremlin goes on:
In light of this, the President of Russia suggested examining possible steps the global community can take to help stabilise the situation. The two presidents agreed that specific parameters for this joint work will be discussed by the Russian and US foreign ministers in the near future.
Vladimir Putin also pointed out that Transnistria is essentially experiencing a blockade, which significantly complicate the living conditions for the region’s residents, impeding their movement and normal trade and economic activities. He stressed that Russia stands for the fair and comprehensive settlement of the Transnistria conflict and hopes for effective work in the existing 5+2 negotiation format.
Simply said, Putin called Obama to make it quite clear that the Russian is nowhere close to de-escalating, and in fact is bringing even more attention to the old party line - that Russia is concerned about the living conditions of Russians and other "compatriots" in Ukraine. The implicit threat here is that should the neonazis continue to act with "rampant impunity" then Russia will have no choice but to intervene.
How about the flip side? Here is the White House's version of events from The Hill:
President Obama called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to pull back his troops from Ukraine’s border on Friday during a phone call between the two leaders. Obama noted that the Ukrainian government has pursued “a restrained and de-escalatory approach” in the crisis, the White House said.
He urged Russia to support Ukraine’s democratic process and to "avoid further provocations, including the buildup of forces on its border with Ukraine.” The phone call, which was initiated by Putin, comes a day after Agence France-Presse reported nearly 100,000 Russian troops had lined up along their border with Ukraine, according to a Ukrainian official.
“President Putin called President Obama today to discuss the U.S. proposal for a diplomatic resolution to the crisis in Ukraine, which Secretary Kerry had again presented to Foreign Minister Lavrov at the meeting at the Hague earlier this week, and which we developed following U.S. consultations with our Ukrainian and European partners,” the White House said in a statement.
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Obama made it clear to Putin, the White House said, that de-escalation in the crisis can only happen if Russian pulls its troops back and doesn’t take steps “to further violate Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.”
During the phone call, Obama also reiterated the United States “strongly opposes” Russia’s actions, which he said violated Ukraine’s sovereignty. Obama also expressed this message to Russia in an interview that first aired on “CBS This Morning” on Friday.
Russia’s troop buildup, Obama said in the interview, “may simply be an effort to intimidate Ukraine or it may be that they've got additional plans.”
To summarize, Putin calls Obama to inform him, and thus the international community, just under what conditions Russia will continue to push on inside Ukraine - namely a real or false flag provocation by "extremists" against Russians, while Obama drones on, pun inteded, about de-escalating and threatening with "costs." Sounds about right.
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Bullshit!
Remember that when I get reelected, i'll...........................
http://www.theonion.com/articles/thanks-for-being-so-cool-about-everythi...
Funny this article is not far off I guess.
BARRY MY GEOPOLITCAL ADVICE TO U: SUK MY DIK
Putin is about to F shit up for real.....
Putin needs to start calling the neonazis terrorists.
Then bingo - carte blanche.
Putin needs to understand that his actions are the same as any terrorrists. The forced acceptance of armed individuals who now demand your allegiance or your death. Kinda like he has done already.
Were the protests something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTT1qUswYL0
Regards,
Cooter
@CrazyCooter
Hopefully that and not something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKxRJ6Zqzdc
I don't see Obama asking him to pull out.
Obozo's father should have pulled out...
"Pull Out? Doesn't sound manly to me."
-G. Carlin, "Class Clown"
All you Putin ass-lickers best get ready to swallow...
"Putin Calls Obama To "Draw Attention To Ukraine Extremists", Obama Replies With Request For Putin To Pull Out"
Did the Kenyan not say please? What gives?!
Obama: "You need to Pull Out"
Putin: "I am not your wife"
Putin called and said let's play Russian roulette.
President of Israel calls up Putin and says: “Vladimir Vladimirovich, I didn't know you were a Jew!”
Putin says, “I didn't either; what makes you think I am a Jew?” President of Israel says: “You got Americans to pay you $5 billion to take over Crimea. You must be a Jew!”
PUTIN: The Benoni Defense is a solid option for Black to counter the Queen's Pawn Opening. It can transpose to a Benko Gambit, you play 3...e6 for the Benoni,3...b5 for the Benko.
OBAMA: Aaand Bingo was his name-O!!
palmer, you meant "Bullish" right?
Bullishish
Community organizing on a world wide scale.....Putin won't know what hit him.
He's prettier, though. Although it's a close call.
Sorry to threadjack but Time is running short
Just a quick reminder to help celebrate NAZIONST FUCKING PEOPLE OVER DAYS...... If you can't come to Israel to fuck a Palestinian out of some basic necessity perhaps you can do your part by kicking a puppy or something......
This week - from March 22, World Water Day, to March 30, Palestinian Land Day - marks the first International Week Against Mekorot, an international effort to boycott Israel's national water company and hold it accountable for its grossly discriminatory water practices in Palestine. Following recent victories in Argentina and the Netherlands, the campaign has released a devastating video celebrating "liquid apartheid." Come to Israel, it urges, where Mekorot "makes sure you have all the water you want - if you're of the correct ethnic-religious category." Intense.
-Abby ZimetOr, you can suck on this puppy right here.
Neither are mom jeans. Give me more Palin.
Judging by the state of the world, there are billions of guys who should've pulled out, but the genes for Dumb and for Cruel have a strong survival trait, it seems. ;-)
Hollywierd never misses an opportunity to equate any group advocating White interests with the Nazis. It's ok for any other race to push their interests though. Just ask the NAACP or La Raza.
I don't know how to define white. Are Spaniards white? Their children?
White men who were 32nd degree masons in Oklahoma considered some Jews (ok half Jewish with a Jew daddy and Christian mommy) white. But never told me if the Spanish descendants in America were white or not.
They said there was a difference between black Americans and that word that starts with N. But they were defining it. Can Americans who are black define that for other Americans who are black.? Can they determine which Liberians are Liberians vs that word that starts with the letter N?
Who gets to define who is trash vs human? Individuals, groups, power structures, armies, governments??
Who?
Can't we all just be trash waiting to die like worms?
Except for that last line, I agree with your line of questions....who has th esay on these important definitions and given that one man's meat is...etc... how can these be drivers of anything except local morality?
Trouble is too many people flailing outwards have no knowledge of who they really are, making all their flailings moot.
Dive....
ori
My own dive...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XijsnujcFg
"they think they know"...and therein lies te problem.
this is World War I AND World War II ... a misreading of intent on both sides with both sides fully ready to go to war over there.
never have words failed so mightily. never had "negotiations" been so ODD'ed. (oppositional defiant disorder.)
what happens you ask? "you just shady shooting at each other" and take it from there.
you're gonna see some serious science get rolled out here in my view ORI. the USA is totally ready for this war...and we will include not only the use of nuclear weapons but quite possibly a mutual understanding that first strike is not only on the table but on both sides to deal with third party eventualities. I mean no less than zero hedge itself has been blabbering on and on about "who's taking sides here"...as if the war has already begun and "we've already decided who the winner is here."
Talk about hitting the reset button.
"full on war with Russia with the use of nukes as your starting point."
Spain is a country in Europe, hence, yes Spaniards are white. Many are even blonde and/or blue-eyed.
Putin does not take shyte from Ziionist bankers,,,,you and Barry, well I would guess Netanyahu's balls fit right on those eyes of yours!!
Are you implying he takes shit from antizionist bankers?
That he suffers the same economic fate as the rest of us, except it isn't in support of a protected border for Israeli citizens?
I don't get it.
You do, or you wouldn't be so pointedly and systematically obtuse.
The difference between my obtuseness and others' hate is that I attribute far more maliciousness to the supposed ptb. Consequently, when folks claim this or that but not absolute domination of the chattel, I lose faith in those folks.
Given absolute domination and a hate deeper than any commenter here, why do they let you live? Why not splay you alive in front of your family?
Is the global supply chain for resins and rubber so crucial to their yachts that they have to admit they need you?
Just be logical and admit if you were one of them you'd kill alll of us. But "they" don't kill us and you can't explain why. But you want order and an explanation so you say this one group is at it, but they just are too lazy to kill those who hate them the most.
Am I being logical? I would appreciate feedback on this line of thinking. Ps I'd be slaughtered right along side you. I'm catholic by birth and raising. So either the Jews or nazis will kill me because both sides think I'm on the other side. AND my human rights were violated at 8 days old. I'm not wearing that strap thing with weights to rebuild what was cut from me. What difference, at this point, does it make?
you might be logical but you are not being rational. the USA and Russia have been talking about securing the nukes for decades (Nunn/Lugar) because both sides have always agreed "that is the one monopoly to be maintained."
Thus First Use must not just be considered an eventuality or even a possibility but a rational part of the "war plan." forget "negotiations have failed"....all talk itself has failed. bu the USA are not two ships passing through the night here...we have an entire Government Agency both here and that working at THE highest level in both Governments "for proper disposal." the implication being "improper disposal has already been decided by both sides."
again..."send in the Truxton." more than enough fire power to deal with this "peculiar situation."
They "let us live" because they do not as of yet have enough power to do otherwise. They are, however, nibbling away at the edges - promoting abortion and birth control, euthanasia, etc, of course, but also promoting gays, making it much harder for the middle class to raise a traditional family...
Its more a long term project to get rid of us so we won't compete with the 1% for scarce resources or live as an eye-sore at the edge of natural settings where they like to take their vacations.
In the meantime, we *are* useful to them, as consumers (as the Shrub reminded us after 9/11), for now. However, the 1% have decided that Mexican Immigrants (in the US) or Arab Immigrants (in EU) are probably *better* consumers more likely to take orders, so regular Western folks (mostly white) will end up out on the curb like a worn out piece of trash...
Are you trying to say that everyone in government is a terrorist?
I can agree with that.
He never applied the definition to postal carriers.
Are you comfortable applying this definition evenly?
Are the palestinians, their military supporters, Hawaiian natives who beat white Americans, ku klux klan democrats who ran Americans who are black out of the south, Muslim militants who just won a foothold against the Philippines government, Maoist militants in India who bomb Indian government officials to obtain a foothold for china in India, fbi and senate officials who flattened the American people in that building/school then ran over their dying bodies with military tanks, American government and military officials who slaughtered the natives of Hawaii and Philippines?
How would you apply your definition evenly?
Delusional acid tripper! Stoned on CNN and FOX, drunk on the zionest propaganda whores who pretend to be America's mainstream media. Funny enough, about the only people left on earth who believe American lies are the Americans. And they really love to be told they are masters of all mankind. Funny thing is, these all powerful masters can't even control Afghanistan where Taliban rules after a decade of American death squads. Soaked in blood the American elites cry like babies over an election in Crimea where people voted to say Fuck you to America's bankers and their army of fascist thugs hired by the USA at the cost of 5 billion dollars. Nazi thugs and Al-Qaeda, all funded by the USA. What a bunch of ass clowns!
Nice new avatar, Jack.
Natalia Poklonskaya, wanted by all: Ukraine security forces and by ZH fans.
"Sarah...you're the poet in my heart.
Never change.
And don't you ever stop."
Stoned on CNN and FOX
Which is why I get all my news from MSNBC and RT.
So what would you like to know?
Hopefully you meant NSNBC.
Ha! Ha! I read ZH and I know I want her! In every sense of the word.
"Nazi thugs and Al-Qaeda, all funded by the USA. What a bunch of ass clowns!"
Darn Jack, gotta love the way you talk dirty.
"Funny enough, about the only people left on earth who believe American lies are the Americans."
Please to be corrected, mam'.
Funny enough, about the only people left on earth who believe American lies are the ever shrinking very small one digit percentage of the minority of Americans stoned on acid.
I'm starting to better appreciate the wisdom of my dad (may he rest in peace): in his view, the only MSM that was worth a damn was The National Enquirer. This always puzzled me, but now I understand that they are a sublime parody of what MSM thinks of itself...
His other bit of advice (and he was never an anti-Semite) was that Jews are to be respected, but never trusted as they have a different agenda than you or I. Boy is that ever true...
As much as I don't like Putin more than the next dictator... Where did they demand allegiance or death? How many civilians did the Russians have to kill in Crimea?
As far as I know, you are making things up.
I don't think Putin is a dictator. You have been tuning into Fox again. Putin was elected and, that election was as fair as the one Bathouse Barry won where in one place 100% of people voted for him. Darn convincing!
Ukraine articles on ZH seem to have begun attracting a lot of agenda people who don't post on other subjects. Regardless of that, here's my 2 cents worth:
It costs a lot of money to keep 100K troops deployed anywhere but their usual post. It can't be that way for long before a decision has to be made.
I agree! There is a caveat, the money was already sunk. All these forces are quick reaction , highly mobile. The extra costs are the coal and diesel to move from one base to another. This isn't Missouri to Kuwait, here. My agreement stems from the fact few mobilized armies of this size ever demobilized. Oh wait - whose numbers are we trusting? Ukrainian , USA, Russian reports?
Moving the materiel and troops to the Ukraine border is a surreptitious way of moving them closer to Iran and Syria.
Best comment of the war.
There is no 100K deployed.
"It costs a lot of money to keep 100K troops deployed anywhere but their usual post."
Imagine if they were all brought home to support their local economies, and maybe they closed the other 800 bases around the world and recalled all that SUPPORT back to the USA also. Spend the massive amounts of wasted contractor dollars for base support in the USA instead of in every other country. Guard our borders and not theirs. The crash overide of prosperity would be so great, every soul on board in the USA could be paid $1,000 an hour to just pick up trash. Maybe even more rebuilding the infrastructure and manufacturing base of the good ol Made in the USA with Pride once moar.
Of course by then, a loaf of bread might cost $500.00 in old american paper, and an ounce of gold might trade for it's proper world value of about 200 Yaun. It should all work out well for the little people.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/london-frankfurt-toronto-vancouve...
i once saw a 'no-bid' operations and support maintenance contract be awarded to a foreign firm - for (1) facility. Annual cost $200 million+ USD all up.
if the US did what you are suggesting it would solve an incredible amount of economic strain inside the US and i imagine $1K a day trash collectors would not be far from the truth.
My old employers live in a 13,000 sf, multimillion dollar house on the river. 8 acres, pool, tennis court. They got rich off DoD contracts. Punch line: they are husband and wife Chinese that can barely speak English and they are preferred contractors since they are "minorities". No shit.
They had to sign for me to get on US military bases. What a slap in the face. I grew up here and grew up watching John Wayne and Audy Murphy kick foreign ass in the movies and these commies have to vouch for me to get on a base. Fuck Uncle Sam!
"This ain't rock and roll, this is genocide!" David Bowie.
Trust me, Puting isn't putting that much military on the east and south because he just wants Crimea. He is telling Obama that he will go in if the Neo-Nazi's continue to disrupt the govt. and people.
@Timmay
Yep. If Putin starts talking about order and security and protection of people in Ukraine, you can bet the T-90's are idling, just waiting for the order...
Plenty are still on trains. Idling produces fumes, burns lube. But more lube is usually a good thing, no?
S-400 mobile missiles were the first units to move by night up to their operational areas adjacent to East Ukraine. All set to fuck up NATO's favorite tactic, the "No Fly Zone". Be interesting to see how the NATO air forces react to losing a couple dozen planes the first day of their "No Fly Zone" gambit. Of course they can try and find the mobile S-400's as they move by night mixed in with dozens of decoys. The first NATO air strike sent in to attack real or decoy S-400's will probably lose another couple dozen planes to the mobile TOR-M2's whose job is to defend S-400's. It must really suck after decades of shooting defenseless people to face someone ready, able and willing to "fuck them up".
Hate to say it, but that's a price that NATO/DOD and IDF are happy to pay, so they can plan for Syria and Iran.
Powie!
Sometimes truth slices right through the fog of war that originally covered up the truth.
Yer on it, Kirk.
Nope you have it backwards. Obama, Kerry hoof-in-mouth-disease. US of frigging A is about to F shit up for real. Yeah yeah humping stupidity. Now I look forward to the the US of A media paid off take on this.
Lets see what the bought an paid for USA media does with this. It is just so sad.
I doubt Putin called Obama to grovel like the U.S. media seems to be portraying this.
Ukraine has surface to surface missiles at the border more than capable of hitting Moscow. what's their incentive not to fire again?
Ah! How about Iskander Surface to Surface missiles with targeting within a few meters of designated criminal facist Ukrainian leaders like the Gas Whore Queen with her crown. That bitch wants to live and spend her billions stolen from average Ukrainians. How that for incentive?
Obama wants putin to "pull out". Now thats funny.
RIPS
Fuck the onion.
Get back in the kitchen Barry, you bitch......
"Hey Vlad, think you can hook me up for a 4:00 T-Time?"
And take your mama jeans with you. You cowardice POS. It's absolutely unbelievable how frickin weak we look on the world stage thanks to this flopping fish bastard. Not that I think Putin is wrong in the slightest. I just wish the jack ass in chief would have just stayed the hell out of this mess, considering he is so far out of his community organizing league!
Hohoho!
"Flopping Fish Bastard!!!"
+20!
Flexibility isn't weakness it is abdication. A willful disregard of the responsibilities of the office, of the nation. Weakness can be forgiven, understood or exploited.
Abdication is followed by power vacuum and a new kind of power to fill it.
"the responsibilities of the office, of the nation" is to overthrew the democratically elected government in Ukraine and appointed a stooge government? risk the life of americans and the rest of the World in a WW3 to protect this neo-nazis jews Junta of Kiev? Where is Ukraine and where is USA, geographically, do you know?
Not out of Ukraine or Crimea, mind you..............
"Vladimir Putin drew Barack Obama’s attention to continued rampage of extremists who are committing acts of intimidation towards peaceful residents" we call them them the US Federal Government around here, much easier to say.
I remember when Bush told me he looked into the eyes of ol Vlad and he has a good soul. They are ALL SOCIOPATHS. Any one that is elected...it does not matter who it is.....Every politician in the world...
why would anyone on ZH still argue about Barry or Bush or Clinton or whoever.
Nothing changes no matter who is voted in (wink wink)
Pulling out will not lead to the needed climax.
Bullish?
putin" iam screwing this chicken you were just holding its legs"
Tonight on ZH is doing my head in.!articks after article of photos of some guy (hedge fund, investment fund, commentator, etc). Bullshit.
Look, just post a few good exposes instead a
Of a constAnt stream of bullshit.
For example, you want to know where the HSBC GLD vault is on London City (fruiteriers(?
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/alaska-back-russia/SFG1ppfN
Who says America is being dumbed down?
Who doesn't want the bright prospect of a Soviet bloc existence?
Bullshit is the word. Having watched all the CNN reports on Russias troop build up on the border with Ukraine, I then saw this headline on RT.
West ignores results of int’l missions that found no troop build-up near Ukraine borders – MoscowSemantics. You say tomato, I say incompetent thin-skinned narcissistic golf-loving buffoon . . .
I can only imagine he's not much good at the game.
Uh, sorry, guys, but Bath House is not playing golf on those courses. He IS playing "hole in one."
Putin called to say Fuck You Barry
yeah, pull WHAT back, exactly .....???
a CIA first strike.
Barry answers:"put it in writing"
There is a debate as to who called who actually. "This is usually how wars start. Somebody claims the other side declared war on them first." Even the Germans say we declared war on them in WW II...which if true is certainly not what I was taught in school.
And yes...this is a DEADLY serious comment...one that might sound funny, but is not.
"If we're about who started the conversation" then we are not having this conversation. (Insert shouting and screaming here .)
How dare Putin interrupt Obummer's golf game just to let him know the occupation of East Ukraine will begin shortly.
Barry's response: "Hey Vlad, how'd you like my girl doing a selfie dissing you at my State Department yesterday!?! hahaha"
Vlad: "Mongrol, I'm going to stick the barrel of my tank so far up your ass you'll be coughing up my spent shell casings! hahaha!"
Barry: "Promise?"
:'-)
Putin's buildup of troops on the border is to keep US backed neo-nazis out of Russia.
And I'm sure that's what the phone call was really about.
He urged Russia to support Ukraine’s democratic process and to "avoid further provocations, including the buildup of forces on its border with Ukraine.” The phone call, which was initiated by Putin, comes a day after Agence France-Presse reported nearly 100,000 Russian troops had lined up along their border with Ukraine, according to a Ukrainian official.
a Ukrainian official : this official is in fact Andrei Parubyi, former of the Social-Nationalist party of Ukraine, so a nazi, well done press, great source, what's next ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Parubiy
"Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."
I'm sure he's one of those new Good Nazis™. They're everywhere these days.
They're calling themselves Nicilists now
duplicate
Putin gave him notice of consequences. Without Jarret, he responded,"Duh."
Putin called to complain about Timoschenko threatening to nuke 8 million Russians in Ukraine. Obama responded by saying that he would soon be awarding the Presidential medal of freedom to Timoschenko as he has done for Madeline Albright who famously said in 1996 that it was OK that that 500,000 Iraqi children had died. Susan Lindauer, the CIA Iraq analyst and whistleblower, says that between 1.7 and 2.1 million Iraqi children died due to US sanctions.
It was necessary to seize arms and get rid of the Russians and their leaders, she declared, obviously referring to Vladimir Putin. She was “ready to hold a pistol and shoot the bastard in the brain.” Responding to the question of how the 8 million Russians on Ukrainian territory should be dealt with, she answered that they should “be targeted by nuclear weapons.”
Moreover, her discussion was full of obscene and insulting terms. She used the disparaging description “kazap” for Russians and peppered “the dialogue with all sorts of Russian swearwords, which are disingenuously translated with terms like ‘damned,’ ‘dirt’ and ‘Russian dogs’,” as Der Spiegel wrote.
Timoschenko subsequently confirmed the authenticity of the discussion on Twitter while declaring that her statement about the 8 million Russians had been passed on incorrectly.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/03/28/sect-m28.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo
She (Susan Lindauer) opposed the Iraq sanctions which had killed 1.7 to 2.1 million people.
http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/video-susan-lindauer-on-advance...
I have a question. You get a lot of your stuff now from wsws.org or World Socialist Website. They use "Marxist analysis, international working class struggles & the fight for socialism." as a tag line. Are you a socialist or do you just like this website? I'm of a mind that socialism sucks big fat donkey cock, but I get a lot from your posts. A month or so ago you started rocking this site out in every post and I find myself torn between a poster I enjoy and a website that promotes cockeating socialism. What should I do?
I only post the analysis of situations from the site - they are very accurate. I never recommend their solutions. Those are up to you.
At least the site tells you upfront what it represents. The so-called free media in the West represent only the interests of the 0.1% or the Military Industrial Complex while professing to care for democracy and freedom.
There are many websites that represent truth far more accurately that the mainstream media.
Yes, I read the article and then did a little further analysis. I'm like, "I love JustObserving, but the site promotes socialism." I agree with the western form of j/Urinalism. It sucks and these guys have some interesting stuff. Thanks for not junking me and being plaintive in your response. You've been a fave.
I have almost always agreed with you and have almost always upvoted you and never downvoted you.
In the final analysis, you are always the best judge of your truths.
You alright, J/O....YOU ALRIGHT.
Question:
If you guys love socialism so much why don't you move to Venezuela? Bring your friend Barry Soetoro with you.
Everybody loves socialism if they are living off a good scam.
The only thing "wrong" with socialism is not everybody can participate. There's got to be suckers to pay for the rest of us.
Hey, just because the "Socialists" may be calling this right on does NOT mean "Socialism" is great or anything.
IMO, it sucks as bad as Bath House.
Socialism=The Lowest Common Denominator.
No effort required, no initiative wanted.
Hey, lighten up...
The Communist Party USA wholeheartedly endorsed Obama both times.
I wonder why?
Thanks for using the past tense.
They issued done faint disapproval when he didn't dissolve American borders or provide healthcare to Panamanians and antarticans.
Thanks for using the past tense.
So.....the communists have seen the light?
Well.....alrighty then.
Well then get to work! Mutherfuckas need iPads and Brie.
I wasn't under the impression that they were espousing socialism, but rather they were getting some of their news from a website that does. News is news, and while one should always be on the lookout for bias in news, it is not always wise to discount something just because you don't like the source.
Put another way, we trust a site promoting socalism more than the MSM. Ooh, gotta go, one of the news outlets has a special on Miley and then they're going to tell me other nations hate us for our freedoms.
That's a depressing, yet accurate way of putting it.
It's fucking pathetic. I love you all.
Go everywhere, read everything. Think for yourself. There are truths and lies everywhere, even in the echo chambers.
Exactly.
"Information" is just information. Knowledge comes after you calibrate this information, taking into account the source and any agenda held by the information provider (along with your own agenda in taking in the information!), whether hidden or overt, along with other information or knowledge that contradicts or confirms the new info. One can end up concluding exactly the opposite of what the information claims is true...
Extra value comes from sources that tell you what their agenda is (which you need to verify in your own mind that they are not trying to mislead...)
"Due diligence" is what you need to take before deciding how much of something to believe...
I'm guessing that if you wanted to play the odds of building an Iraqi Holocaust, you'd get pretty long odds against.
+100 Brilliant post all around!
To be fair, there were also plenty of Russian thugs intimidating people in Crimea and making sure they voted "correctly".
I know I would vote for the CUNTRY that wants my bank deposits, spikes oil by 182% in the next three years and has fuckin NeoNazi leaders taking orders from Goldman puppets, the IMF and EUSSR/USSA.....Yep. That's who i would vote for....
In a world of deception and fraud, is it so hard to conceive that these "Neo-Nazis" are also fake, I.e. Made for MSM Nazis?
After all, no GENUINE, self-respecting real neo-Nazis would side with their mortal enemies.
Haven't you goys/guys figured out yet, that NWO Globalists are will to fly ANY Flag of Convenience to achieve their goals?
Christ, are people gullible!
You seem to be under the impression that the Crimean population is distinct from Russia. Crimeans if you will. Russian is the primary language for 90% of Crimean residents, 60% of the population is ethnically Russian.
Here's a video of it:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26598832
Looks to me like there's just a lot of Russians living there.
And US thugs weren't?
You know that do you? Hundreds of international observers at the polls are calling you a liar.
Geezus we look weak.
hasn't actualy gone to Kiev...which could be considered "in your facie" if you want to ratchet this up further.
no mention of the words "election" in this statement either.
And in the areas we are actually strong we have to cover it up (toppling the old government) because we are so evil.
The only strength we have on the world is offering up free and fair elections. I have no clue what this article said/meant what was being discussed. Nothin.'
Obviously "this is the White House's show"...but not coming out and supporting free and fair elections will not go over well with folks who will have to cut the bill for this thing.
"We're not here to pay for Putin's annexation."
We?
Yeah..."we" actually.
As in "we vote." Or in this case "no, we do not vote."
This is a very complex situation...precisely what "we" (the Vietnam folks) said "we" would avoid "the next time." Namely..."not having a debate" (there was no vote for going into Vietnam.)
Only one "no vote from the Anglo Saxon wimp." (Undersecretary of State Ball...George Ball I believe.). By the time this still ongoing war was continued the bulk of the American States and their citizenry were plunged into bankruptcy.
In short "they stopped believing a long time ago."
Might sound strange that "this is when war comes" but guess what..."this is when war comes."
No vote? I say "good luck with that." Someone will "thunder from the dais" here folks if this thing goes hot.
That press/stock photo is awesome! It shows old "cinnamon sticks" TOTUS for what he really is.
TOTUS looks like an Charleton looking for his "cheat sheet".
Hey! They used the same photo 4 years ago!
What, the guy's too stoned to stand up for a new propaganda photo?
What? He spent all the photo money on AF1's budget?
@ lakecity55 Too funny isn't it?
Most untransparent administration ever.
You bet!
And, as this drags on, everyone is starting to see he is a
Meat Puppet!
Meat Puppet!
Meat Puppet
"Bath House Barry, the Man who Puts the Ass into the word Buggery!"
Sooooooo...that was Vlad doing all that buying into the close?
Did President Lloyd also get a 3:30 courtesy call?
This is a European problem. Let the Europeans deal with it.
I personally wish the entire US government, military, and secret-police would go golfing with Obama for a few years.
Is an US problem and it is about petrodollar. In Europe, nobody want to made economic sanctions to Russia. But USA is hell bend to sanctions Russia and force others countries as much as they can to created a big international comunity of petrodolars to mantain the financial slavery of the banksters and others 1% zio-jews interests. My only doubt is the 99sheeps of USA and EU would benefit from this financial slavery with the monthly print of 65 billions dollars?
And dont forget this mess is made by jewish Vitoria Nulland and her gangs of State Departmant by organizing coup d`etat to overthrow a democratic elected government.
Barry, all Vlad is doing is what your Party advocates for.....centralization of powers away from states....and taking of private property as desired....
no wonder you're not fighting back....you agree with Putin!
love,
The KELO Decision
shabazz is a lttle boy who without fred newman doesn't know what to do and is in over his head....he and his ziocon war mongers and murderers have no business in ukraine.
and god only knows what advice his drag queen man-wife is giving him.
Valerie Jarret advises him. The squatch, mooshell, is only good for advice on how to deflect emergency room patients AWAY from her hospital.
Irony: when a black man supports a group of nazis
When it comes to money, all the sociopaths are green.