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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

This week just happens to be the 160th anniversary of Britain and France’s declaration of war on Russia in what would eventually become known as the Crimean War. Part 1.

At the time, Russia was a rising power. By the 1850s, Tsar Nicholas I had expanded Russia’s domain into Ukraine and Crimea seeking warm water ports on the Black Sea, and it scared the bejeezus out of the rest of Europe.

Other nations in the region– particularly France and the Ottoman Empire, were in obvious decline. By 1854, the Ottoman Empire was only a few years away from outright default, and France was desperate to regain some of its geopolitical glory from the previous century.

All of this should sound familiar. As Mark Twain said, history might not necessarily repeat, but it certainly rhymes.

Today there is conflict once again in Crimea. And just as before, it has nothing to do with Crimea, but with several other powers trying to keep a rising power in check.

Let’s be honest– most human beings don’t get terribly excited when they get surpassed by someone else. Nations are no different.

And just as in the 1850s when France, Britain, and the Ottoman Empire ganged up to contain Russia’s growth, most has-been, bankrupt Western nations are doing the same thing today.

The hypocrisy is unbelievable. US Secretary of State John Kerry stated in an interview that “you just don’t, in the 21st century, behave in a 19th century fashion by invading another country on a completely trumped-up pretext.”

Apparently Mr. Kerry slept through the War on Terror and invasion of Iraq.

I have serious doubts that this will actually come to blows, however. Perhaps gentlemanly fisticuffs at most. The West is simply too broke.

Putin is the guy who blew $50 billion just to stage the Olympics. And that’s probably just a fraction of his own personal fortune, let alone how much money Russia has at its disposal.

It would be nothing for the Russian government to fund a war in Crimea. The Russians can write a check for it.

The West, meanwhile, has to beg, borrow, and print just to get a warship to the Black Sea.

In fact, just to demonstrate how broke they are, the West’s best move was suspending Russia from the G8, a toothless gang of bankrupt nations.

I mean– the combined debts of just five of the G8 members– the US, UK, Italy, Japan, and France is so prodigious it constitutes nearly 50% of the entire world’s GDP. It’s insane.

Successful negotiations always start from a position of strength. And the West has absolutely none. No teeth. No funding. No leverage.

This became quite clear just a few months ago when Mr. Putin chased everyone out of Syria.

By dropping Russia, even temporarily, from the G8, all they are doing is shining a spotlight on their own weakness… and rather embarrassingly.

They’re proving beyond a doubt that the G8 has no power… and practically shoving Russia into bed with China.

This is a classic example of how formerly great powers accelerate their own decline. And Mr. Obama and his colleagues seem to be following this playbook to a T.

 

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Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:04 | 4602722 LawsofPhysics
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When goods and services stop crossing borders, troops will...

same as it ever was...

 

If the world really is going to war, I might suggest trying to secure as much productive capital and tribe members as you can...

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:05 | 4602726 Manthong
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Y'know, Greece might want to consider being annexed.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:27 | 4602808 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Russia is ahead of the west in terms of debt and other economic metrics over the short term. One serious issue that all of the powers suffer from is a demographics implosion. Russia has over the last two decades and continues to lose people from immigration at an alarming rate. The US, UK, and rest of the EU are beginning to feel this shrinking of population now and will into the future. Russia may have the advantage, but Russia is not an up an coming power by any means. 

Demographics is destiny.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:47 | 4602858 Rafferty
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Demographics is destiny.   Absolutely  correct.  And that is why the West is being deliberately flooded by the Third World.  Just watch and see how the traitors will in due course pass 'Amnesty' and tip America's demographics beyond the point of recovery.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:03 | 4602901 James_Cole
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Rather ignorant article, even from Mr. Black.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:36 | 4603038 Manthong
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When you see the handwriting on the wall..

Distract, Distract, Deny, Deceive, Distort…   saber-rattling and even war works in this schema.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:25 | 4603241 Patriot Eke
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You can definitely see the writing on the wall, and this is all going according to plan.  It's just that the West never thought the economic hitmen would have them as a mark.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:35 | 4604532 BigJim
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Rather ignorant comment, even from Mr. Cole.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:04 | 4602910 Anusocracy
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"flooded by the Third World."

It has happened throughout history.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:50 | 4602867 MuleRider
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Meh......a modestly declining population puts less strain on scarce natural resources.  That and it also tends to coincide with a shrinking Free Shit Army.  Relentless population growth and importing poverty from the third world ain't all it's cracked up to be. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:01 | 4602892 Anusocracy
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It depends on the quality of the population more than the number. A dumb country w/300 million people has little in the way of advantages over a smart country w/150 million.

That, and the fact that a country's population will be increasingly augmented by robotics and by slowing or stopping aging. Russia is close to having a political party emphasizing the curing of aging.

The death knell is for the US: the end of the reserve currency, the end of the brain drain, a hollowed-out economy, massive debt at all levels, and a population that is almost as stupid and psychopathic as its leaders.

Good luck with that.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:13 | 4602936 Cursive
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@Asusocracy

Russia is close to having a political party emphasizing the curing of aging.

 

Baffling.  What does this statement mean?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:32 | 4603020 NotApplicable
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Infinite voting block?

Interesting side-note; there are NO biological markers to determine the age of an adult human (which is why doctors cannot validate/invalidate age claims of old people). The best they can do is to administer various tests which show decay markers, then use statistics to gauge what their likely age is. Also, many parts of the body can regenerate given the proper environment, even the brain (neurogenesis), so it's possible that longevity can be drastically increased.

However, I seriously doubt that lawyers and bureaucrats can accomplish that, despite the number of scientists they can fund (as it creates a polluted environment.

Basically, it all comes down to maintaining an eternal vigilance against rust, which never sleeps.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 18:41 | 4604123 Cynicles
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Infinite voting block?

The Democrat Party has been perfecting the practice

 of a voting block that never deminishes and stay loyal indefinately.

Yes. I am referring to the dead voters.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:23 | 4604645 Anusocracy
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A political party that recognizes aging as a disease with a goal of stopping the end point of aging through repair, as in cars that are maintained for 100+ years and/or millions of miles.

Also including downloading into machines.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:43 | 4603307 LawsofPhysics
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What about a smart country with a billion people and productive capacity?

How's your mandarin?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 16:38 | 4603679 evokanivo
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The US also has some of the most technologically advanced companies out there - Google, Microsoft, Intel, virtually all big-pharma. I think a lot of people on these boards overlook that. The FSA and War-On-Everything is a huge drag, but many of the brightest people and developed industries are still in the US.

Russia has a lot of good programmers, but not much in the tech industry. Industrialization takes time. Where is Russia in automation and robotics, medicine, and technology in general? Not where the US is. Why build up a business empire only to have it stolen/strong-armed from you?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 18:44 | 4604134 Cynicles
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The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency.

~Vladimir Lenin

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:04 | 4602913 dogismycopilot
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men, it is going to be a tough mission, but some of us will need to relocate to Russia, and help them with their demographics problem. there will be a lot alcohol, food and women involved. you will be forced to pay a 10% flat personal tax. You will need to learn to read, write and speak Russian. that will be difficult. you will also need to learn your way around the Hermitage. also very difficult. life is tough.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 15:37 | 4603490 Joenobody12
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10% flat personal tax ? I will write a check for 11% if our petty congress is man enough to change the tax code to a flat peronal tax. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:11 | 4602930 Cursive
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@Vampyroteuthis Infernalis

This is possibly the worst piece ever written by Simon Black (and that's saying a lot).

It would be nothing for the Russian government to fund a war in Crimea. The Russians can write a check for it.

Uh, yeah, this is exactly how the US how funded it's war machine.  By funding it with checks backed by, you guessed it, nothing!

 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:28 | 4602997 andrewp111
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Russia has zero external debt.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:34 | 4603028 Cursive
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@andrewp111

W-T-F.  Quite possibly the most succintly dumbest statement ever on this site.  The level of stupidity at this site has ramped more exponentially than the Fed's balance sheet.

http://rt.com/business/russia-foreign-debt-growth-007/

It appears that Russia is good at amassing not only its gold reserves, but also debt.The country’s total foreign debt reached a new height of $614 billion in 2012, or 10.5% of country’s GDP, Russia’s Audits Chamber’s report says. This is 16.1% more than the country’s gold and foreign currency reserves. Debt servicing in 2012 amounted to over $1 billion. 

This amount is equal to what Russia spends on housing and public utilities, culture and filmmaking combined, according to the Audits Chamber’s Chairman Sergey Stepashin. 

 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 15:44 | 4603516 Joenobody12
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$614 billions total debt ? That is just 6 weeks worth of the INTEREST on our debt. Russia is truely a third world country. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:49 | 4603096 geno-econ
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Does that include Israel in the Middle East or do they include other nation/state economies as part of their Empire/Shere of Influence ? In fact there are more Jews outside Israel then inside I believe. Last I heard only 200,000 in Ukraine, but quite vociferous.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:36 | 4603283 daveO
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It's the oil.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:41 | 4603300 Shizzmoney
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RE

Russia is ahead of the west in terms of debt and other economic metrics over the short term. One serious issue that all of the powers suffer from is a demographics implosion. Russia has over the last two decades and continues to lose people from immigration at an alarming rate. The US, UK, and rest of the EU are beginning to feel this shrinking of population now and will into the future. Russia may have the advantage, but Russia is not an up an coming power by any means. 

Demographics is destiny.

Great points here.

Russia and really, most of Europe, is going through this problem.  Not only are kids not settling down with families like they used to due to religious decoupling (think: abortion, BC, condoms, sexual freedom), they also can see down the road and realize that having kids can actually be -EV for their own careers, advancement, as well as the care of those same kids (despite single payer health care) because the opportunity for a solid working career for the average common man.  See: Japan.

The oligarchs and their goverment puppets have basically zapped the enthusiasm out of the family making process by limiting TRUE opportunity to the actual hard workers of society.  Those who will have families will either be rich anough to afford them, or poor/destitute enough to not care about affording them (plus, unemployed people tend to have more time persuing sex).

 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 16:53 | 4603721 Tom_333
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Taxes and demography is destiny. With a tax rate of 10-15 % Russia is leaps and bounds beyond the decaying west. It´s a spread of 30 % or more compared to the western pack. A couple of years more of this trend and I may consider a datja on the Black Sea.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:06 | 4602734 john39
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you have to wonder, whether all this effort to destabilize Ukraine is meant to tie Russia down in its backyard so that zato can try to finish Syria or attack Iran...

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:42 | 4602848 Rafferty
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Watch where the tribe members go.  And follow. For therein opportunity lies.  Well for tribe members anyway.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:06 | 4602736 Ignatius
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"...tribe members..." ?

Is this 'take a tribe member to lunch' week?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:38 | 4603288 daveO
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yes, if you can get the job chauffeuring for them.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:07 | 4602741 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  The West is simply too broke.

We need a definition of "broke".   The leaders of nations have never been too "broke" to engage in fun wars.     The potential payback for the sociopaths is just to great to pass-up.  

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:16 | 4602764 LawsofPhysics
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Define broke.  If you have calories to burn (energy available for consumption) and technical know-how, there are a lot of things that you can actually do/build (even if you don't have any fiat).

personally, I don't think that the energy is available to humanity for another world war, I am an optimist.

I guess we could start taking all that nuclear fuel out of warheads and putting it in nuclear reactors, then give everyone a chevy volt...

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:30 | 4602815 magnetosphere
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have you ever looked up the amount of energy used by germany and japan in the early 1940's?  it was tiny...

 

and the energy used to grow food is just as tiny.  where were the famines in berlin during the war?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:48 | 4602861 El Vaquero
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The energy used in our modern food system is immense.  It could be tiny, but that would take a couple of years of do or die effort to change right now.  More time if it isn't a shift brought about by desperation.  Roughly 20% of the energy consumed in the US goes towards food production, shipping, refrigeration, etc...  For every food calorie that you eat, probably 10-15 went into producing it.  Our current food system is wholly inefficient, and there is not much of an alternative food system in place to take over at the moment. Try to put one in place and you'll have very unpleasant visits paid by the USDA, the FDA, and other various local LEO agencies.  Or you'll pay through the nose in administrative and licensing fees.

 

As for there not being the energy for WWIII, I'll agree with LoP for conventional wars.  Nuclear, not so much.  The amount of fossil fuel energy required to fight a nuclear war isn't even a blip on a graph, because much of that energy has already been spent and is simply waiting to be used.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:53 | 4602872 LawsofPhysics
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Of course I am not talking about a nuclear war.  If humanity engages in such a war, it will end "humanity" as we know it...

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:58 | 4602885 El Vaquero
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We can be rather stupid in all of our brilliance. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:05 | 4602915 magnetosphere
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if you took any math or physics in high school, you would easily be able to figure out that energy consumption in agriculture is TINY.  something like 3% of total energy consumption.  this includes everything from embodied energy in the tractors to water transport, land transport, ventilation, lighting, heating, fuel for vehicles and machines, refrigeration, and embodied energy in fertilizers. americans spend 7% of their income on food, also TINY.

 

and nuclear war is overrated.  the total yield of all nuclear weapons is probably less than volcanoes explosions that have occurred in recorded history.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:12 | 4602933 El Vaquero
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High school physics won't tell you the efficiency of our current agricultural system.  The energy used is not tiny.  Look at the tractors used to plow, plant and harvest.  Look at the pumps used for irrigation.  Look at the Haber process used to produce fertilizer.  Look at the shipping of thousands of miles.  Look at the heavy processing Look at the plastics and cardboards used for packaging.  Look at the refrigeration. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:34 | 4603021 magnetosphere
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instead of waving your hands around, you should inject some numbers into your arguments. 

for example, embodied energy in fertilizers is 1.8 kwh/day/person http://www.sswm.info/sites/default/files/reference_attachments/GELLINGS%...

energy used in farming, including farm vehicles, machinery, heating, refrigeration, lighting, ventilation is .9 kwh /day / person   http://ukerc.rl.ac.uk/pdf/AC0401_Final.pdf

building tractors, moving the food, are small corrections to these numbers.  total energy consumption in the usa is something like 250 - 300 kwh /day/person.  hence i conclude food production uses a tiny amount of energy

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:50 | 4603325 LawsofPhysics
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Oh gee look, a non-peer reviewed "article" authored by an energy company saying that "all is well".

I feel much better now...

/s

Very reliable work by MIT and Cal Tech put the carrying capacity of the earth at 14 billion, so we are now inside of one doubling of that number.

 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:47 | 4603316 LawsofPhysics
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I have been farming for almost 30 years, I know exactly how much energy goes into producing food dipshit.

Moreover, tell us, what percentage of income does the average person on earth spend on food?  your western-centric ego and progressive education are about to bite you in the ass as that which cannot be sustained, won't be.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 15:24 | 4603443 magnetosphere
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i only claim that farming uses the sun to produce more energy than it consumes.  e.g. your produce revenues exceed your fuel and fertilizer costs.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:52 | 4602870 LawsofPhysics
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The energy used to grow food is tiny?  LMFAO!!! 

Right, that idiotic statement aside, how many people were on earth back then, compared to now?

This is not the 1930's or 1940's.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:36 | 4602831 disabledvet
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You need to get out your Periodic Table dude and "have a look."

Wars are the purview of that industry...not "energy" (so defined. Motivation fed sure.)

Sure...we did use Napalm in Vietnam...among many other nasty things. But energy is what is used to finance GOVERNMENT...not "war."

This is why we have a war over natural gas...this is the feedstock for the chemical industry to produce all sorts of "compounds" (that hopefully are not errors...compounding.)

These "varietals" have by and large one singular purpose...namely "to explode."

I did read a good article in the Wapo today where she's "talking tough." Unlike the clown writing this article "that might explain why the President didn't pay a day of observance" to the Democratic process very much underway "over there."

We'll never know because he never says anything.
Sometimes it's as if the President (Putin and Obama both?) are being humiliated..."frog marched" as they used to say back in the 'Nam.

His is the danger of our "love of tele-prompting"...that thing can be ordering us around instead of our conscience and our concern for the well being of others.

Hard to tell what's in heart of a man (for the record I've never slept with any...although we did do some spooning back in the Unit days.).

I would say this...this Ukraine thing is "something of value"...in the parlance of military men "worth taking and holding."

It's not on anyone's checklist...but sure, in the end..."and it all comes down to you. Lightning strikes. Maybe once. Maybe twice."

I do wonder if Stevie had "a secret friend" she called "Sarah" sometime though.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:53 | 4603328 LawsofPhysics
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Take your medication you stupid old fuck.  That which cannot be sustained, won't be, no matter how much gibberish you type.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:43 | 4604564 BigJim
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One day, his keyboard will run out of double quotes. Then where will he be?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 22:54 | 4604728 StychoKiller
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I've learned to economize by using single quotes and semicolons instead of colons!

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:18 | 4602955 Cursive
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@NOTaREALmerican

Yes, would be nice for Simon Black to give us a definition of that and also maybe if he read these links about Russia's budget:

www.bloomberg.com/ news/ 2013-05-22/ russia-faces-widening-2014-budget-deficit-siluanov-says.html 

www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/government-budget 

en.ria.ru/ russia/ 20140120/ 186734400/ Russia-Records-2013-Budget-Deficit-of-92Bln.html 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:09 | 4602743 Son of Captain Nemo
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Before there was Gazprom, Visa and Mastercard... But it's all still the same as it was 160 years ago.  Mike Rivero frames it rather well.

"The United States has 760 military bases around the world, WITHIN the borders of 191 foreign nations, whose presence and implied threat keep those nations obedient to the US, much as Rome's Legions, garrisoned across the Roman Empire, kept the provinces in line.

Here we have Russia operating within their own borders, and Obama has the gall to dictate to them how their military must be moved.

Let us keep in mind the important fact that Russia has not invaded or attacked anyone. The US botched their not-so-covert coup d'etat against the elected government of the Ukraine. This is a well-known pattern by the US, which since the end of WW2 has covertly attempted to change the governments of 56 countries, succeeding 25 times. The people of the Crimea democratically voted to secede from the unelected government in Kiev, then again voted to merge with Russia. This is not an extreme incident. Sardinia is seceding from Italy with the intention of joining Switzerland. Catalonia is preparing to seceded from Spain, Scotland from the United Kingdom, and Venice from Italy. Four more cities in the eastern Ukraine are also considering referendums of secession from the installed-by-force Kiev government, which is already strip-mining the wealth of the Ukraine to surrender to the IMF and ECB.

Russia is not the bad guy here. The money-junkies in those private central banks are.

Wars are the bankers' richest harvest. Bankers love war and they don't care who wins or loses because both sides go into debt to fight the war, then after the war both sides go further into debt to rebuild form the war and when this horrendous scam is all over, ordinary people have pretty much what they had before, except the graveyards are much larger and they are debt-slaves to the bankers for another 100 years. This is why Brown Brothers Harriman in New York financed Hitler's rise to power.

Ever stop to think that prior to the creation of the federal Reserve there was no such thing as a world war?"... Mike Rivero

 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:22 | 4602793 therover
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"Russia is not the bad guy here. The money-junkies in those private central banks are"

+1000 on that one

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:07 | 4602920 El Vaquero
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The jury is still out on Russia.  Through our meddling and bumbling, we haven't given Russia the chance to be the bad guy.  We'll see what happens when Russia needs to be the bad guy to advance its own interests.  My tendency is to doubt that there are any good guys in this. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:50 | 4603323 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Through our meddling and bumbling, we haven't given Russia the chance to be the bad guy.  We'll see what happens when Russia needs to be the bad guy to advance its own interests."...

EV 

That's a pretty lame assessment when you have a legitimate government that is ousted through a military coup, that sat down to negotiate with the thugs that burned and pillaged your Capital for inclusion in your legitimate government and as a compromise the thugs decide to take over completely forcing a new government of their own choosing after a referendum with other sovereign governments present orchestrating "peaceful resolution" to hold early elections walk away as if they had nothing to do with it!

Would anyone here have objections if Russia had done the same to the United States?

How do you blame someone else for the violence and destruction that you yourself perpetrated in their own neighborhood, then walk away in judgment to question whether they will be an honest broker "down the road"?

How absolutely absurd!

 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:40 | 4602843 q99x2
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I'd say lets all pack up and head to Russia except why bother just take a college course and you'll meet Russians, Ukrainians up the Ying Yang. Classrooms in SoCal are filled with them. Department of Homeland Security has 1000s of Russian rroops training with them. I'll ask one of my classmates if they know what is going on.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:09 | 4602928 dogismycopilot
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they have been domesticated...will be for TEAM USA. can tell you that right now.

you need free range Russians and Ukrainians

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:44 | 4603311 daveO
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This one needs to be at the top of comments.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:09 | 4602746 Pairadimes
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Peak stupid? If this accelerates the end of this shameful and corrupt era, I'm all for it.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:10 | 4602748 Charles The Ham...
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Russia lost all of those other wars.... The question we should all be concerning ourselves with is "What are they doing different this time to be successful in this war?" 1.)They already have the moral high ground when the west meddled in the affairs of the Kiev government and installed a new neo-nazi regime. Clearly that was a mistake on the part of the EU and the US. 2.) Putin is far more accomplished and intelligent than any other leader in the civilized and uncivilized world. 3.)Russia has an incredible opportunity with their economy to place themselves in a position of tremendous growth and opportuntiy if they play the economic cards right which, so far, they are doinge xtremely well. I wouldnt be surprised if the RussiaChinaIndia pact surpasses the U.S. economically in 10 years. Time to learn Russian and Chinese.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:10 | 4602749 Uncle Remus
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.

This is a classic example of how formerly great powers accelerate their own decline.

Leaving idiot bastard children to mind the store doesn't help.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:39 | 4603062 NotApplicable
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The true owners don't want competition from the "power of the people."

Idiots are extremely useful in keeping a population in a state of dependence.

I don't know why anyone thinks that "great powers" going into decline is anything but inevitable.

Revolution begets revolution begets revolution begets revolution...

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:13 | 4602756 Son of Captain Nemo
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"At the time, Russia was a rising power. By the 1850s, Tsar Nicholas I had expanded Russia’s domain into Ukraine and Crimea seeking warm water ports on the Black Sea"...

Think the "Sovereign Man" needs some history schooling on that Crimea point?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:23 | 4602795 Flakmeister
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Agreed....

Russian Black Sea Fleet had been in place since 1783 or so...

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:15 | 4602763 youngman
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I do think its going to get more exciting.....before it cools down with some other crisis

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:27 | 4602807 Bill of Rights
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Agreed with many little crises in between....So many are dependent on this Governement for their Monthly needs its atonishing. When it goes its going big rest assured. And the Cops and their little play killy things will be usless when no one is there to man the post...

 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:53 | 4602873 Rafferty
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When the EBTs run out and the Free Shit Army can't buy nuffins the reaction will be epic. Noamsane?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:27 | 4602773 tony wilson
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like old times lord rothschild wills it,needs it so here to fore then let it bee so.

i think william hague david camoron,obarmy netanyahoolio,the blokes running canada and austrailia have got it just about right.

we have the nukes made and paid for even at this late stage in the game my fellow jews we can win this.

we have the missing malay plane in diego garcia,we have the 1980s era suitcase nukes.

we have a another identical plane being hidden in israel.

like all bullies putin just needs a jewish guy to punch him on the nose metafollicly speaking clearly since he is a fighter and a judo chap we will use the samson nuke option instead butt youse get my drifts.

come on guys mi6,mossad and the cia and obarmy have your backs.

lets roll.

 

 

ps the guy that asked why i keep using the lets roll wording when flight 93 was fake shit i say what rubbish.

would ex mi6 bbc,itv director of the bourne movies paul greengrass make a movie based on lies of course not.

that is not cricket an englishmans libor word is his bond.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:42 | 4603068 NotApplicable
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You speak like a word cloud.

I need a new decoder ring.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:21 | 4602785 Flakmeister
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Talk about streching an analogy past the breaking point....

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:22 | 4602790 Ariadne
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The Crimean War was an embarassment to the aristocracy that produced it. More men died of illness caused by deprivation - no supplies - than in combat. The Red Cross was formed to deal with this piss poor management. The european elites travelled to Crimea on their yachts to watch. This was back when civilians weren't terror drone targets...

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:34 | 4602818 Jack Burton
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Crimean war was a prime example of how men duped by lies and propaganda board ships to sail to foreign shores to die in mass numbers on the whim of a tiny, tiny elite who care nothing for human life, but care only for capital accumulation, pride and slef promotion. Patriots who shout for war, like all the lunatic idiots who want to attack Russia today, will never go themselves. They will do like the patriots always do, dupe and draft lower class fools to go die and then give some fake glory and a few shows on the Military Channel. The First World War was so bad that it produced revolutions, the west was able to supress these, but Russia could not, due to western funding of the communists. Russia paid dearly for over 70 years, well, they are back, and non communist. They have far less social support, far lesson government health care, far fewer social programs and no open borders policy. No wonder the west wants to expunge them, far too capitalist for the Banker Whores and their firth column of zionists who rule us all with their Americna police state and government terror organizations. In Russia there is only one real social support system, get a job, farm , start a business, or starve.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:35 | 4603036 Rafferty
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"western" funding of the communists????   mmmmm....Schiffs, Warburgs. not really western I suggest. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:44 | 4603075 NotApplicable
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Would that be the same Red Cross that later supported the Bolsheviks with a crew of bankers (and one doctor)?

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:28 | 4602811 q99x2
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The west is not broke. When TSHTF I'll let you know where the banksters have the loot stashed and we can go get it.

 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:28 | 4602812 magpie
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Still waiting for the third installment of Iwan Grozny to be made public

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 16:32 | 4602829 SgtShaftoe
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Currency Wars ---> Trade Wars ---> Hot Wars

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                                             YOU ARE HERE

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:37 | 4602833 Jack Burton
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The west is now the world's cesspool off liars, bankers, zionists and Israel firsters. Notice Israel can annex land every day and nobody says anything. Why? Because they are chosen of god. Russians are not even allowed to vote to join their homeland, this is a crime against the west. While Israel can kill and steal and are honored as the world's most superior form of human life. Getting to make me sick.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:43 | 4602851 Grouchy Marx
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Save a second puke bag for when Putin invades Ukraine. Unless you find the sight of blood cathartic.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:34 | 4603026 Uncle Remus
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Blue preferably.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:37 | 4603048 Rafferty
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A lot of Israeli Firsters on this thread judging by the down arrows.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 16:16 | 4603606 gallistic
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Jack,

Off-topic like a mo-fo, but what happened to Scarlett?

Oh hell man, say it ain't so!

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 12:59 | 4602888 worbsid
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Is a third world war Obama's chance at a third term of office, you know, "Don't change horses, etc"?  His wookie would like that. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:06 | 4602919 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Re:  "Don't change horses, etc"?

 

What did the red corpuscle say to the blue corpuscle?

 

 

 

donT change streams in the middle of a horse.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:11 | 4603177 worbsid
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that's bad ... :-)

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:25 | 4602986 andrewp111
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I doubt Obama has the balls to start a third world war, but I know he is deeply envious of the EU welfare state, particularly with regard to healthcare, and he is deeply resentful of the massive defense subsidy the EU gets through NATO.  He would love to collapse NATO so the EU will be suddenly forced to fend for itself, and spend the trillions that are necessary. I think this is Obama's game plan.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:34 | 4603277 cmb
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lmao....Obamas policies are nowhere even close to policies you see in a European welfare state you idiot.

In fact it is quite the opposite, I guarantee that everyone that is posting on this news site would have money money in their pocket at the end of the year if they lived in france compared to the US.

I am by no means saying that france is perfect.. but the fact is that there are much more benefits for the average working middle class person then here in the US. Propoganda will have your beleive otherwise. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:16 | 4602945 b_thunder
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"At the time, Russia was a rising power. By the 1850s,... Other nations in the region– particularly France and the Ottoman Empire, were in obvious decline. By 1854..."  blah blah blah.

 

But check this out:

50 years later, in 1905, Russia had its 1st Revolution

60 years later Russia got involved in a war that destroyed the country.

65 years later Russia entered the time of 2 more revolutions followed by the Red Terror and civil war where millions perished

80 years later Russia was turned into a labor camp occupying 1/6th of the entire world's landmass - the GULAG

90 years later Russia de-facto occupued half of Europe than economically never recovered after the war (unlike the Wester Europe)

since 1854 Russian population has NEVER approached the standard of living of those "declining" European empires.

now, 160 years later, Russia is still ruled by an absolute ruler/dictator and its GDP per capita is less than 1/4th of those in UK and France.

 

And while the citizens in those "declining" powers (I call them civilized nations) kept improving their standard of living, 95% of russian population has been eating shit, lived in shit, breathed shitty air and drank shitty vodka, all the while remaining mighty proud of the "greatness" of mother-russia (TRANSLATION:  a degenerate population brainwashed into confusing other countries' fear of russian nukes with proof of their own greateness.)

Question for everyone:  where would you rather live in the past 150 years:  UK, France, or Russia????

 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:17 | 4603199 worbsid
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I believe the article was talking about power, not standard of living.  Your statements about standard of living are of course true.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:44 | 4603308 therearetoomany...
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Let's not forget to mention the reason Europe recovered so well, I think it was...the Marshall Plan.    Otherwise, Europe woulda been just as much a leftist shithole as Russia.   In fact, it pretty much was...having shit in a hole in a restaurant in southern France in the early 90s.  

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 18:25 | 4604050 obejoyful
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Most of Russia's problems were from centralized governments and economies.  The US and the EU have adopted this form of centralized government and ecoonomy for their themselves.  So we will see many of Russia's past woes for ourselves.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:19 | 4602956 rsnoble
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The psychopaths solution to war when they're broke: It doesn't cost much to push a button.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:29 | 4603006 AllAboutTheBenjamins
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History repeats.  Many here have probably read or read about "The 4th Turning" which puts fotrth the idea history is shaped by 80-100 year cycles (each with 4 parts, or turnings).  Well, here we are, 2 full cycles later.  

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:30 | 4603009 elegance
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Mi xoteli sdelat lu46e no polu4ilos kak vsigda... (We wanted to do it better but it turned out as usual). This Chernomyrdin statement (I call it an inescapable curse) tells you all how it will end with Putin and his Russia. Chernomyrdin knew his countrymen. Unlike the Putin fawning Simon Black... 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 13:56 | 4603123 ohaitieaqui
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justhappened to read about this war seems pretty clear that France and uk could have had a quicker victory but both didn't seem to bother that much, incredible amount of poors butchered on both sides

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:08 | 4603166 kchrisc
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Good article.

Except for the real people caught up in it, the whole thing is hilarious. West starts coup and Russia gets all the spoils.

This statement captured the essence of the West's problem: "I have serious doubts that this will actually come to blows, however. Perhaps gentlemanly fisticuffs at most. The West is simply too broke."

LOL

 

"Can I get a guilli..., I mean a witness?!"

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 14:12 | 4603180 deepsouthdoug
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"This is a classic example of how formerly great powers accelerate their own decline."

 

In this case it applies to the Soviet Union/Russia too bub. 

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 15:25 | 4603444 Joe A
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Russua cites the Kosovo case as an example applied to the Crimea. Obama made a fool of himself some days ago by stating that Kosovo declared independence after a referendum there. But there was never such a referendum there! They cannot even get their facts straight.

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