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Angry Germany Asks "Is It Time For A Formal Espionage Investigation?" After Latest NSA Spying Revelations

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With friends like these, who needs Russians.

In the summer of 2013, a big diplomatic spat erupted when as a result of Snowden's revelations, it became clear that among the countless world leaders the NSA was spying on was none other than US "best buddy forever", German chancellor Angela Merkel. Why would the US spy on one of its closest strategic allies the Germans wondered: after all is it not Germany where the bulk of NATO forces are stationed (a topic that is sure to gain more prominence in the coming months now that the second coming of the USSR is just around the corner). Little by little, the diplomatic fallout was put to bed after US ambassadors across Europe were summoned, and given a stern talking to, resulting in promises that never again will the US abuse its bosom, if broke, buddies in Europe. And the whole spying scandal disappeared as if it had never happened.

Naturally, what the less naive ones knew and anticipated, was that if it had emerged that the NSA was spying on Merkel, there was about to be a waterfall of other unpleasant revelations about how deep the NSA's tentacles stretched inside Germany, all contained in Snowden's seemingle endless bag of goodies.

Sure enough, overnight Spiegel and Greenwald's new outlet, The Intercept, have disclosed a new set of revelations just how deep said tentacles had penetrated. It appears that the NSA, and the UK's GCHQ, were aiming at the critical nodes where all electronic communications going through Germany - three German satellite communication providers, Stellar, Cetel and IABG, through which the bulk of German internet traffic flows.

From Spiegel:

The headquarters of Stellar, a company based in the town of Hürth near Cologne, are visible from a distance. Seventy-five white antennas dominate the landscape. The biggest are 16 meters (52 feet) tall and kept in place by steel anchors. It is an impressive sight and serves as a popular backdrop for scenes in TV shows, including the German action series "Cobra 11."


Stellar operates a satellite ground station in Hürth, a so-called "teleport." Its services are used by companies and institutions; Stellar's customers include Internet providers, telecommunications companies and even a few governments. "The world is our market," is the high-tech company's slogan.



Using their ground stations and leased capacities from satellites, firms like Stellar -- or competitors like Cetel in the nearby village of Ruppichteroth or IABG, which is headquartered in Ottobrunn near Munich -- can provide Internet and telephone services in even the most remote areas. They provide communications links to places like oil drilling platforms, diamond mines, refugee camps and foreign outposts of multinational corporations and international organizations.


Super high-speed Internet connections are required at the ground stations in Germany in order to ensure the highest levels of service possible. Most are connected to major European Internet backbones that offer particularly high bandwidth. The service they offer isn't just attractive to customers who want to improve their connectivity. It is also of interest to Britain's GCHQ intelligence service, which has targeted the German companies. Top secret documents from the archive of NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden viewed by SPIEGEL show that the British spies surveilled employees of several German companies, and have also infiltrated their networks.


One top-secret GCHQ paper claims the agency sought "development of in-depth knowledge of key satellite IP service providers in Germany." The document, which is undated, states that the goal of the effort was developing wider knowledge of Internet traffic flowing through Germany. The 26-page document explicitly names three of the German companies targeted for surveillance: Stellar, Cetel and IABG.


The operation, carried out at listening stations operated jointly by GCHQ with the NSA in Bude, in Britain's Cornwall region, is largely directed at Internet exchange points used by the ground station to feed the communications of their large customers into the broadband Internet. In addition to spying on the Internet traffic passing through these nodes, the GCHQ workers state they are also seeking to identify important customers of the German teleport providers, their technology suppliers as well as future technical trends in their business sector.

Ironically enough, the following stock photo from Stellar's media center shows two engineers watching Richard Nixon on Al Jazeera:


Apparently Nixon has a lot to supervise: Stellar's global footprint is shown in the image below:


It was not just the company infrastructure, but their workers as well that were part of the targeting:

The document also states that company employees are targets -- particularly engineers -- saying that they should be detected and "tasked," intelligence jargon for monitoring. In the case of Stellar, the top secret GCHQ paper includes the names and email addresses of 16 employees, including CEO Christian Steffen. In addition, it also provides a list of the most-important customers and partners. Contacted by SPIEGEL, Stellar CEO Steffen said he had not been aware of any attempts by intelligence services to infiltrate or hack his company. "I am shocked," he said.

The other two key backbone providers were also hacked, one of which does "considerable business with the Bundeswehr, Germany's armed forces", something which the NSA most certainly was privy to:

Intelligence workers in Bude also appear to have succeeded in infiltrating competitor Cetel. The document states that workers came across four "servers of interest" and were able to create a comprehensive list of customers. According to Cetel CEO Guido Neumann, the company primarily serves customers in Africa and the Middle East and its clients include non-governmental organizations as well as a northern European country that uses Cetel to connect its diplomatic outposts to the Internet. Neumann also says he was surprised when he learned his firm had been a target.


The firm IABG in Ottobrunn appears to have been of particular interest to the intelligence service -- at least going by a short notation that only appears next to the Bavarian company's name. It notes, "this may have already been looked at by NSA NAC," a reference to the NSA's network analysis center.


IABG also does considerable business with the Bundeswehr, Germany's armed forces. The company states that its "defense and security" unit is "committed to the armed forces and their procurement projects." These include solutions for "security issues, for prevention and reactions against dangers like terrorism and attacks against critical infrastructure.

At this point, Germany may finally be getting angry at its "closest friend", the US, and its ubiqutous spies, whose actions have been revealed for the entire world to see thanks to one whistleblower:

Monitoring companies and their employees along with the theft of customer lists are classic acts of economic espionage. Indeed, such revelations ought be a case for the German federal public prosecutors' office, which in the past has initiated investigations into comparable cases involving Russia or China.

However, will it be angry enough to start a formal investigation?

So far, however, German Federal Public Prosecutor Harald Range has been struggling with the NSA issue. Some experienced investigators have had a problem applying the same criteria used to assess intelligence services like Russia's to those of the United States and Britain. Federal prosecutors in Karlsruhe have provided a preliminary assessment, but so far no decision has been made about whether the agency will move forward with legal proceedings.


Under review at the moment are allegations that the NSA monitored the chancellor's mobile phone and also conducted mass surveillance on the communications of millions of Germans. Range recently told the Berlin-based daily Die Tageszeitung the affair was "an extremely complicated issue."


"I am currently reviewing whether reasonable suspicion even exists for an actionable criminal offense," he told the newspaper. "Only if I can affirm that can I then address the question of whether a judiciary inquiry would run contrary to the general public interest -- a review required for any espionage-related crime" in Germany. A decision is expected soon.


The launch of legal proceedings against GCHQ agents or NSA employees would quickly become a major political issue that would further burden already tense trans-Atlantic relations. An additional problem is the fact that Range is in possession of very few original documents, particularly those pertaining to the NSA's monitoring of Chancellor Merkel.


A secret NSA document dealing with high-ranking targets has provided further indications that Merkel was a target. The document is a presentation from the NSA's Center for Content Extraction, whose multiple tasks include the automated analysis of all types of text data. The lists appear to contain 122 country leaders. Twelve names are listed as an example, including Merkel's.


The list begins with "A," as in Abdullah Badawi, the former Malaysian prime minister, and continues with the presidents of Peru, Somalia, Guatemala and Colombia right up to Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko. The final name on the list, No. 122, is Yulia Tymoshenko, who was Ukrainian prime minister at the time. The NSA listed the international leaders alphabetically by their first name, with Tymoshenko listed under "Y". Merkel is listed under "A" as the ninth leader, right behind Malawian President Amadou Toumani Touré, but before Syrian dictator Bashar Assad.

Once again the topic emerges: while US citizens apparently don't seem to care if the NSA is exploring every aspect of the private lives, is the same true for Germans, and all other countries in the world where an advanced internet infrastructure makes it all too easy for the NSA to weigh anchor and to eavesdrop on everything.

The documents do not provide sufficient information to precisely determine the types of data included in the order, and the NSA has said it will not comment on the matter. However, lawyers at the American Civil Liberties Union believe it provides the NSA with permission to access the communications of all German citizens, regardless whether those affected are suspected of having committed an offense or not. Under the FISA Amendments Act, the NSA is permitted to conduct blanket surveillance in foreign countries without any requirement to submit individual cases for review by the court, whose deliberations and rulings are top secret.




"So far, we have no knowledge that Internet nodes in Germany have been spied on by the NSA," Hans-Georg Maassen, president of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Germany's domestic intelligence agency, which is also responsible for counterintelligence measures, said last summer.


It's also possible the Americans don't even have to do that, at least not directly. It's quite feasible they have better access through major US providers like AT&T or Verizon whose infrastructure is used to process a major share of global Internet traffic. The NSA could use that infrastructure to access data from Germany. This would be totally legal from the American perspective -- at least according to the FISA court.

Actually we do know: as the Intercept reports, "a separate document from the NSA’s Special Source Operations unit [...] shows that the Obama administration obtained a top-secret court order specifically permitting it to monitor communications related to Germany. Special Source Operations is the NSA department that manages what the agency describes as its “corporate partnerships” with major US companies, including AT&T, Verizon, Microsoft, and Google. The order on Germany was issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on March 7, 2013. The court issues annual certifications to the NSA that authorize the agency to intercept communications related to named countries or groups; it has provided similar authorization, Der Spiegel reported, for measures targeting China, Mexico, Japan, Venezuela, Yemen, Brazil, Sudan, Guatemala, Bosnia and Russia."

So back to the question at hand: will Germany finally escalate the hand over of all individual privacy to what is effectively economic espionage? The answer: of course not, certainly not at a time when a few hundred kilometers to the East none other than Vladimir Putin is finally stretching his muscles at an attempt of restoring the USSR piecemeal, the first step of which already took place with the bloodless annexation of Crimea. The last thing Germany can afford now is a diplomatic spat with the only nation which can possibly prevent a Russian expansion beyond merely former USSR countries but also into Europe. Which is why people of Germany: hold your noses and bear it. You have no choice. Unless of course, Germany, as some suggest may happen, decided to dump its superficial diplomatic closeness with the US and realligns with what is rapidly becoming the world's most powerful axis, the Eurasians, aka China, Russia and India. Add Germany to this, and suddenly the global balance of power as we know it ist kaput.

Cartoon: the Economist


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Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:04 | 4605407 Cognitive Dissonance
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So this was the straw that broke the camel's back?

Not likely. I smell a coverup in the making.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:11 | 4605425 CrazyCooter
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The answer: of course not, certainly not at a time when a few hundred kilometers to the East none other than Vladimir Putin is finally stretching his muscles at an attempt of restoring the USSR piecemeal

I disagree.

Fact: Germany has done financially what it could not do (twice) militarily.
Fact: Germany (engineering/manufacturing prowess) and Russia (commodity behemoth) are a match made in heaven.

Follow the money!



Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:23 | 4605463 Wolferl
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A steady German-Russian alliance. The game changer. Something the German elite is still afraid of to do. Yet.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:37 | 4605491 SWRichmond
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Yet once America pisses them off enough times...

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:45 | 4605513 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Thank god for porn!  That will keep some of these monsters distracted and off of our backs.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:48 | 4605619 Manthong
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How can they possibly be irritated with us?

After all, we did replace some of the gold we stole from them.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:21 | 4605683 The Big Ching-aso
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I don't know how the NSA servers could possibly have enough capacity for that much porn.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:30 | 4605712 Boris Alatovkrap
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What NSA is cannot handle, SEC is busy to pick up.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:07 | 4605923 James_Cole
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the world's most powerful axis, the Eurasians, aka China, Russia and India

Lol! Wth??? Weekend tyler hittin the peyote a little too hard today.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:17 | 4606094 Keyser
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Given the shitty hegemony from the west over the last 2 centuries, I don't find it odd at all. 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 15:16 | 4605819 Uncle Remus
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Amazon. It's what's for tyranny.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:29 | 4605709 Boris Alatovkrap
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USSA is one most spooky of country! Yet citizenry is so very nice friendly! Why is government always to be worst among us!?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 15:06 | 4605792 Uncle Remus
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Because government attracts and provides succor to the worst among us.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 15:58 | 4605901 FlyingDutchman
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I agree, and most Americans agree if you ask them.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:19 | 4606099 Keyser
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Old idiom, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:51 | 4605624 caustixoid
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A steady German-Russian alliance. The game changer. Something the German elite is still afraid of to do. Yet.

There's a non-Bilderberg nationalistic German elite? 

As noted below Germany, like Japan, is an American colony constitutionally.   

Much as I like the idea of the breakup of the ZATO/BIS empire it ain't gonna come from our elites or democratic processes.    Spying and fake outrage will continue as usual.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:24 | 4606120 Keyser
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This is the final push by the west to try to dominate the east and it ain't gonna happen. The BRICS are going to fuck the western banking cabals and it's going to bankrupt the EU and US. Keep on stacking.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:24 | 4605696 drendebe10
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend and my enemy aint them.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 07:21 | 4609934 StandardDeviant
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A non-aggression pact, you mean?  I think they have good reason to be skeptical.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:25 | 4605465 rlouis
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Right on, Cooter - curious that I can't up vote your comment.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:34 | 4605484 CrazyCooter
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You are right ... how odd.

EDIT: Seems voting works on this post. Maybe that post got flagged for review or something.



Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:36 | 4605488 Cognitive Dissonance
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You quoted me and the quote is blocking the voting. It is a glitch in the ZH Matrix.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:39 | 4605496 CrazyCooter
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I just noticed that. The quote was from the original article though.

If I squish the screen really narrow, I could eventually get to the up/down vote because the quote draws below my avatar due to the narrow screen.

I guess I won't open with quotes from now on!



Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:54 | 4605522 ThirdWorldDude
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It's not the quote, it's opening with italics that ZH arrows have problem with.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:55 | 4606728 StychoKiller
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It's both!  I always use [quote]...[/quote] to get around this.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:59 | 4605529 socalbeach
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I just up-voted you.

On Firefox,

Tools -> Web Developer -> Page Source

Then search for the comment and click the "obvious" link just above the comment.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:07 | 4605545 suteibu
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Highlight his name, tab twice>Enter for upvote, tab three times>Enter for downvote.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:20 | 4605557 socalbeach
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That's easier, thanks.


(Notice my reply starts with italics and you can still upvote or downvote.  It's the blockquote at the beginning of a post that disables voting).

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:22 | 4605580 suteibu
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Indeed.  The trick is to copy the quote in plain text, apply italics, then add quotation marks.  More steps but easier for others.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:45 | 4605616 rubiconsolutions
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"Indeed.  The trick is to copy the quote in plain text, apply italics, then add quotation marks.  More steps but easier for others."

Or better yet just have NSA do it for you.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 15:26 | 4605835 TheReplacement
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"I guess I won't open with quotes from now on!"

Just lead with a period and you should be fine.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:37 | 4605602 KingdomKum
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it's because of the italicized letters in the beginning of his response -  it must be regular font to be able to vote up or down  .  .  .

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:30 | 4605713 Berspankme
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I just sent an email to theNSA and asked them to upvote Cooter for me. They said they would handle it

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:49 | 4606374 Ifigenia
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Then the NSA dudes discover that here they could write and vote freely as they like, without the risk losing their jobs.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:37 | 4605487 Cognitive Dissonance
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Germany would like its Gold back.........please.

Pretty please with sugar on top.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:37 | 4605492 williambanzai7
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Yes, as if people who harbour the biggest derivatives schwein in the ponziverse don't understand the difference between physical and paper.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:43 | 4605508 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"Germany would like its Gold back.........please."

If they were smart, they would take ALL of their gold back.  Maybe they need to send it all to the Russian central bank for safekeeping.  Seems like they need to fear the US now, like they feared the USSR back in the 20th century.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:14 | 4605561 TPTB_r_TBTF
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The Germans are free to ask for their gold to be returned.   They donT even need to be "smart" to ask.


But the answer is no.  As in No Gold.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:19 | 4605572 BurningFuld
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Snowden could have made his leaks a lot shorter..even singular: The NSA is spying on everyone everywhere all the time.


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:31 | 4605984 Perfecthedge
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Now, here is my response to the NSA: FUCK THE NSA!  Register that.  Now, lets see how long they take to break down my door - here IN EUROPE!

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:30 | 4606137 Keyser
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Nah, they won't break down your door. They'll do something nasty like plant kiddie porn on your work computer and send a link to your boss. Of course, there is always the nail gun scenario. 


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:51 | 4606382 Ifigenia
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beware, too much quislings here.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:51 | 4605518 CrazyCooter
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I think everyone can agree the current global financial system is far beyond any reasonable limit where it can be "saved" and will collapse into a singularity. The fiats being used currently will no longer serve for trade settlement.

The million dollar question, in my mind, is what happens to global trade framework after the current system implodes? I agree that gold has proven the most effective medium for international trade settlement. Germany probably won't get their gold back.

There will be many economies that do NOT have enough gold to participate, but will otherwise have stuff other people want. This will almost force these economies will find ways to monetize stuff (at the international level), be it food, energy, or engineering skills. They willl have to export to build gold reserves, but will have to be able to pay for required imports.

Conclusion: germany + russia.



Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:53 | 4606387 Ifigenia
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ask DSK, the jew from IMF, he has a plan with SDR, but was fuck up by sex scandal

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:20 | 4605681 metastar
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I was thinking the exact same thing. We have much of their gold, so they will be quiet until most of it is returned.

Additionally, the NSA has dirt on the German politicians. Every politician has their price.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:54 | 4605627 gorillaonyourback
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I also disagree. This author is displaying classsic propaganda. He concludes with a statement refering to propaganda to disseminate more propaganda. Lololololol.

germany, russia and china have been meeting for the past 5 years on how to dump the zionist jew banking and dollar system.

The question is, do we support our zionist jew controlled govt to do economic espionage in americas interest. I personally think no they could give two fucks whats best for our nation state.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 15:38 | 4605857 Joenobody12
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The question is, do we support our zionist jew controlled govt to do economic espionage in americas interest.   '

I am an American too, what do I got out of this ? Nope, I am not a banker. What ? Nothing for me ?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 15:24 | 4605831 newdoobie
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All they have to do is remind the USSA that it has committed an act of war against Germany. If they don't want to severe all ties with the Deutchland they must pay reparations. A few trillion in gold ought to do it!

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 14:21 | 4608043 Buck Johnson
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What the US is doing is pushing the world away from them and into the arms of another group.  They got a warrant to spy on Germany?  Thats not the issue, maybe you as a president should have said that is a friend so no we don't spy on them.  You know, like Germany trying to spy on the US, we wouldn't like that.  You can almost feel the end coming.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:20 | 4605454 williambanzai7
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Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:41 | 4605738 irishlink
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Trying to figure if the ejaculation is from Putin or Obama. but then we could throw the UK and China into the mix also. What a week!

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:58 | 4605530 Ironmaan
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Ahh...I think they should first investigate why they can't get their gold back in a timely (if at all) manner.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:04 | 4605410 Truther
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Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:06 | 4605415 Bryan
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I am so glad Mr. Snowden came out and began this whole public conversation about the overreach of central governments.  It's about time the people realize they've been pawns in a much larger chess game than they imagined.


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:21 | 4605458 PacOps
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"Began"? Hardly.

Public conversation? Not much. 

DiFis shock and rage - theater.

I still up voted you.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:02 | 4605915 FlyingDutchman
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Not on television, for sure in daily live.

At least where I live and hang out.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:10 | 4605416 albanian
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Fuck USa.

& they Zombie Partners

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:08 | 4605417 USA USA
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No one cares! This is a really sad state of affairs.

The USSA is the asshole of the world, EVERTHING passes through it!



Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:30 | 4605476 ConfederateH
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Even more so than than the boobus americanus, the cannon fodder germans won't believe anything unless their government tells them so.

I love this: 

The document also states that company employees are targets -- particularly engineers -- saying that they should be detected and "tasked," intelligence jargon for monitoring.

Why were they monitoring the engineers?  For the same reason they monitor everyone, to gather blackmail material.

Judging by the way Europe is sticking with Obama-Hitler against Putin-Stalin, the governments across europe are all hopelessy comprimised. 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:58 | 4606402 Ifigenia
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if it is a brothel as least bring some quick bucks.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:08 | 4605418 agent default
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Germany is just Amerika's bitch.  I don't expect anything more than hot air to pacify the German public opinion.  Nothing matterial will come out of this however.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:46 | 4605749 Carl Popper
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Exactly.  They already gave themselves an out by saying they have to delay the decision and determine if it is in the public interest. 


The German government is just hoping this all dies down and people forget in the meantime.  


I was hoping Germany would kick some NSA ass but it looks doubtful.   They like the dry assfuck they get from Amerika

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:06 | 4606971 Againstthelie
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Merkel (Kamirczak) stated already two times, reason of state is to serve Israel. She received the highest Israeli civilian medal.

They know exactly, they are only on top, because they keep the German people down. Before they would let the Atlantic-bridge go, these globalists would destroy Germany ( )

'Unless of course, Germany, as some suggest may happen, decided to dump its superficial diplomatic closeness with the US and realligns with what is rapidly becoming the world's most powerful axis, the Eurasians, aka China, Russia and India. Add Germany to this, and suddenly the global balance of power as we know it ist kaput.'


Not only the German vassal regime will never let the British and USraeli occupants leave, but they will not leave themselfes, because they understand very well that the above conclusion is true. Who controls Germany, controls Europe. Therefore the Angloamerican plutocrats will do whatever it takes, to avoid a free and souvereign Germany. They know that the natural ally of Germany is not over the Atlantic, but the neighbour in the east: Russia. German technology and Russian resources exchanged via an independent currency or barter trade system and blocked NSA's economic and industrial espionage = end of the international bankster cartel, and probably end of the NWO.


Therefore the expansion of NATO can also be seen as strenghtening the encirclement of Germany. This may sound absurd at the first look, but only if one equates the vassal regime equal to Germany. But if this regime would be gone one day, then a NATO extended to the east, would be used as base AGAINST Germany.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:08 | 4605419 fockewulf190
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Expect Obama to be fully gray by December.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:38 | 4605493 USA USA
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It's a good start, now work down from there!

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:51 | 4605519 Fractal Parasite
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Grays are far more intelligent than O'buggered.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 15:02 | 4605784 CuttingEdge
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We talking Michael Jackson style here?

Oh, his hair...

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:10 | 4605421 williambanzai7
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They deserve to get fucked.

Lean over Angela...

Watch be get jucked by Dr Schauebles crotch hunde.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:12 | 4605429 Confused
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Billy. Come on now. A bit harsh no? Why would they deserve it anymore than.....well, fill in the blank. 



PS - you are quick to edit. And no, it wasn't me who junked you. 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:16 | 4605436 williambanzai7
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You know what I am saying...

If they had real cohones, they would STFU about bullshit investigations and offer Snowden asylum.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:20 | 4605450 Confused
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I hear you. i'm just breaking your balls. But you know it isn't the people there (well, at least in parts of the country). There was one particular politician, from Berlin who was lobbying for him to get there. But as we both know, its hard to be a sovereign nation with someones military in your yard (and I'm sure a stream of money helping to pay the social benefits). 


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:52 | 4605475 williambanzai7
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We have our own government spying on us. That is bad.

But now think of it one step further. Wouldn't it be worse if our government allowed other governments to do the same thing to us...wait a minute (GCHQ)

As I said, think BRICs, and not because they give a ratz ass about us.

There are no angry Germans, only shareholders of Deutsche Bank and Goldman Sachs.




Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:05 | 4605542 buzzsaw99
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Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:06 | 4605544 disabledvet
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"tell it twuuuue what they say?


so you got a problem with your snitchzen grubben? okay.
WB has a problem with hgis snitchzen gruben.

bottom line is "nobody cares" actually because every German knows the whole purpose (now) was Ukraine. "So now we dance."
that's all the girls want anyways.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:53 | 4605521 JR
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How can an IMF-occupied Germany offer Snowden asylum?

Germans are living in a state that simply does not exist.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:11 | 4605934 CuttingEdge
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+100 on that Blazing art Bill.

Whatever anyone says about Putin, giving sanctuary to Ed Snowden is a huge positive in my book. His snapshot windows on the depths the NSA and co will stoop to spy on "friendlies" purely and blatantly in the interests of corporate (USA+UK) espionage just show how utterly fucking evil those pulling the strings actually are. I won't even go there with the Max Hastings line of keeping those at home in line.

Merkel's probably been told:

"Play ball and bend over, you fat bitch - or DB's $70T derivitives gets it - and then your country is fucked every which way fron Sonntag"

The spineless collection of worthless fuckwits in Europe who bend over for the dodgy Kenyan and his controllers (Merkel in particular) make me as ill from a European perspective as you guys over the pond feel with respect to your twat in charge and his banana republic methodology.

We are living in a perfect age of corporate fascism, as will be documented 50 years from now when the current batch of cunts are six feet under.


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:03 | 4606417 Ifigenia
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"If they had real cohones, they would STFU about bullshit investigations and offer Snowden asylum."

and the american bases and nukes in Germany are enough to deter any "real" from join "cohones".

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:01 | 4605531 Ironmaan
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Gee thanks for putting the image of Angela bent over and ready in my head. 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:01 | 4606409 Ifigenia
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and rundown by the wheelchair

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:10 | 4605423 trader1
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with friends like the israelis, who needs al qaeda?

On March 18, 2014 ISCAP, the highest declassification authority in the U.S., released 84 pages (PDF) of formerly secret information about investigations into the illegal diversion of weapons-grade nuclear material from a Pennsylvania plant into the clandestine Israeli nuclear weapons program.  Files now available to the public from IRmep's ISCAP process include:

4/2/1968 Letter from the Director of the CIA alerting the Attorney General (PDF) about a huge loss of material fromPennsylvania's Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC). "It is critical for us to establish whether or not the Israelis now have the capability for fabricating nuclear weapons which might be employed in the Near East."

03/09/1972 FBI memorandum (PDF) "On the basis of the foregoing it must be assumed for the purpose of U.S. national security that diversion of special nuclear materials to Israel by Dr. [Zalman] Shapiro and his [NUMEC] associates is a distinct possibility."

07/28/1977 Notes of a briefing from CIA's Associate Deputy Director for Operations Theodore Shackley to the Carter administration National Security Council  (PDF) "I also asked Shackley to get us a rundown on the political aspects—e.g. when were the President and Congressional officials briefed on the Israeli weapons program, on the NUMEC connection, and what were their reactions.  In December, Carter was briefed on the NUMEC problem as President-elect by Bush in Georgia...I do not think the President has plausible deniability.  The CIA case is persuasive..."

08/02/1977 Memo to Carter from Zbigniew Brzezinski "So far as we know however, (and we have made serious effort to discover it) there is nothing to indicate active CIA participation in the alleged theft...There is a tremendous amount of interest in this issue in Congress...We face tough sledding in the next few weeks in trying to keep attention focused on ERDA's technical [overall U.S. nuclear material loss] arguments..on the FBI investigations, and away from the CIA's information."

All released CIA evidence and former Tel Aviv Station Chief John Hadden suggest the severely undercapitalized NUMEC was "an Israeli [smuggling] operation from the beginning." Multiple health-related lawsuits have been filed targeting companies that later assumed NUMEC ownership. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers currently estimates its toxic cleanup of NUMEC will cost$500 million.  No damage claims have yet been filed against the Israeli government.

IRmep is a Washington-DC based nonprofit researching U.S. Middle East policy formulation.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:20 | 4606470 Ifigenia
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and Ogolfer put all option on Iran table

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:10 | 4605426 franciscopendergrass
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All of America best and brightest minds are figuring out how to perform illegal tasks like how to hack into my phone or how to become a bankster.  Efforts should be put into manufacturing and R&D instead of finance and spying.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:46 | 4605509 SWRichmond
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If I could upvote you a million times I would.  These fucking sociopathic greed- and control freaks waste more resources trying to get and stay on top, for their own sakes...when I think about the stuff we could be building instead I cry.

Government, and political systems, ARE the problem.  They are instruments of pillage and control, and nothing more.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:10 | 4606238 css1971
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No that doesn't make any sense. It implies change. Why change when the status quo is so profitable?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:11 | 4605427 FieldingMellish
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LOL! They can't even find evidence for JPM silver manipulation and you want to investigate the NSA? Do you actually want to see any of your gold again, Germany? 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:09 | 4605549 disabledvet
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might need a bigger leash this go around.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:12 | 4605431 nmewn
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Don't worry about it Germany.

In a compromise (with himself) on theft, O'Barry is gonna let Verizon hold on to the information for eighteen months. So, you see, its not really theft.

He's just borrowing it without your permission ;-)

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:12 | 4605432 sushi
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ficken der EU

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:13 | 4605433 disabledvet
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It would appear this kid has the goods on no less than the President of the United States.
Obviously my sentiments have been on full display here for some time...he's still the President of the United States to me...and always will be.

Have said that James Madison gave America "separation of powers" for a reason...and abuse of power is no small "crime or misdemeanor" and, obviously...all the people who have served in Endless War that is now morphing into a full scale invasion of Russia proper...well, indeed. This Snowden kid may in fact be the most dangerous man alive for not just the entirety of the Democratic Party but even possibly the President himself might be impacted.

Dick Cheney...oddly...came out against Snowden. "How are we making political hay if the sun doesn't shine" fine sir?
He needs to re-read his Clint Eastwood "man has to know his limitations" because he and his coterie has created an entire Army of fanatical killing machines that are now going to be unleashed in Europe "and they call Washington DC their home." We'll see if the French can keep up.
This stuff happens in Government all the time because this is Government itself actually.
"Secrets...out in the open." For every list of names...they've got a thousand more...and they're paid by the no less than the Federal Reserve itself to "deal with it." And they will. "They're everywhere...through space, time, memory, myth"...everywhere.

Once the Armies start moving then the ONLY political approach is to lay your cards on the table. Iran/Contra was nothing compared to this it would appear.
And "no amount a money will change it" either.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:41 | 4605501 Uncle Remus
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Obviously my sentiments have been on full display here for some time...he's still the President of the United States to me...and always will be.

Then you are a traitor to your own sentience.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:23 | 4605581 disabledvet
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you have as much passion as a wet noodle.

sorry, "macaroni" i meant to say.

a "venus fly trap" is not a "sentient being." nor does it understand what the meaning of "traitor" is even if it was. It only understands...quite cleverly actually..."how to gain sustenance for itself."

So "you don't appear to be smarter than a plant even" to me.
Of course if you have some "plan" you wish to reveal to the world then by all means....the world is listening.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:27 | 4605591 Anusocracy
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You are wired to be obedient to authority figures and authority. I am not.

So how about you worshiping any and all of these useless idiots you want and let anyone who doesn't share your beliefs be free of them?

Or is it that you are just not human enough to do that?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:17 | 4605434 Ignorance is bliss
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I think it's safe to assume U.S. Tech companies will not be doing well in forgein markets for the foreseeable future. IBM, Cisco, Oracle, Microsoft, etc.. Might be in for a rough ride thanks to the NSA. Actually you could probably add defense systems and pretty much any tech coming from the U.S. that provides hardware or software to sensitive competitive industries.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:18 | 4605445 Chuck Knoblauch
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Thank you Ed Snowden.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:22 | 4605461 Ignorance is bliss
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You could blame Snowden. I choose to blame the NSA and the government that funds them. U.S. Paranoia could kill off strategic sectors of the U.S. Economy. There are going to be lots of unintended consequences and blowback to the U.S.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:31 | 4605473 Chuck Knoblauch
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Tech companies HQ'd in the US will move their HQ's abroad and rebrand, like Accenture. Nothing will change but the perception of change.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:41 | 4605502 Ignorance is bliss
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I think China will buy them up with funny money like they did IBMs server and PC divisions then they will close the U.S. Back doors and open new ones up for their version of the NSA.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:15 | 4605540 Chuck Knoblauch
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It makes the H-1B visa program a moot point. But it is relevant to help with the transition from the US to Asia during and after the sales. A big national security threat, but I'm sure there is some Israeli agent convincing a stupid and greedy American general that everything is good.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:38 | 4605489 shinobi-7
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You are assuming well! All the US tech companies are currently being kicked out of the market the one after the other, and it's not just "sensitive" sectors. The few meetings I have been into recently have been plain ugly. There is not turning back, trust is gone.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:45 | 4605511 Ignorance is bliss
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I am seeing lots of layoffs across the tech sector. Reminds me of 2001. Most of the weakness is coming from China and other BRIC nations. At first I thought we were seeing deflationary pressure now I am thinking we are starting to see NSA blowback.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:17 | 4605441 cherry picker
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I don't know about the rest of you but I am tired of all the bullshit.  Makes you wnt to disconnect from everything and live somewhere where there is no news, politics, gestapo and nwo.

Life has enough challenges without worrying about stuff we have no control over.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:21 | 4605457 Chuck Knoblauch
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You have all the control. You decide what to consume. No one is forcing it down your throat.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:18 | 4605442 fockewulf190
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Looks like no matter what communications system is in existance, satcom, internet, mobile, morse code, smoke signals, it´s all compromised.  Maybe if they bust out the Navajo code talkers once more, you might get some secrecy again.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:01 | 4606050 Perfecthedge
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If I would pursue a criminal career (or if push comes to shove) I would:


- NEVER discuss anything sensitive on a cellphone.  Matter of fact nowadays I am using an the oldest possible Nokia phone that still operates with current 3G networks, with an anonymous sim card - paid and bought on a fair in cash) and most of the time I leave it shut off, without battery (only put the battery in when I need to make a call).

- I would prefer face-to-face meetings and NOT talk (as they could be eavesdropping and recording).  Just sit there and scribble stuff on a piece of paper or napkin and then proceed to burn it (after the conversation).

- Send messages with a pidgeon (seriously)

- only use cash - never cards

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:21 | 4605451 franciscopendergrass
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Instead of imposing sanctions on Russia, the EU should impose sanctions on the US for spying and for making a shitty car like the Cruze

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:47 | 4605452 JustObserving
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Germans should know that Germany is an occupied country that has no constitution.  There are about 20,000 British troops and 40,000 US troops in Germany.  Merkel is America's bitch having being spied on by the NSA since 2002 and awarded the Presidential medal of freedom from Obama in 2011:

the Allies liquidated the legitimate government of the Reich, arrested the leaders, took over, divided, occupied and plundered Germany. They stole all remaining assets, and our culture, and then imposed their own, both in the FRG and GDR.   In the West,  SHAEF erected a bogus state (a legal fiction). They wrote and imposed the “Basic Law” (not a constitution), and in spite of the so-called “reunification” in 1990, that law remains in effect today, as an entirely foreign construct. There is no “Made in Germany” constitution. That means …. Germany is still an occupied and foreign controlled country!

The present FRG government is a FRAUD, because it was NOT created by and for the German people, and has NO constitution!

The Allied occupation of Germany began 58 years ago this month and in the eyes of many Germans has not yet ended. Foreign armies are still based on German soil and Europe's largest and most prosperous "democracy" still lacks a constitution and a peace treaty putting a formal end to the Second World War.
For Germany, World War II, like the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, lacks formal legal closure because a peace treaty has never been signed between the Allies and Germany.


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:02 | 4605536 LasVegasDave
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"There is only one human right: the right to do as you goddamn well please;

and it follows that there is only one human duty: the duty to deal with the consequences."

-P.J. O'Rourke


So cry me a fucking river about Germany's post war status as an "occupied country."

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:36 | 4606516 Ifigenia
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 "Merkel is America's bitch having being spied on by the NSA since 2002 and awarded the Presidential medal of freedom from Obama in 2011" Nothing wrong, if the yankees didnt spy the frau how could they know Angela deeds merit a medal?


"In the West,  SHAEF erected a bogus state (a legal fiction). They wrote and imposed the “Basic Law” (not a constitution), and in spite of the so-called “reunification” in 1990, that law remains in effect today, as an entirely foreign construct. There is no “Made in Germany” constitution."

And what`s wrong with the yankees writing a constitution for you, germans? didnt they do the same to Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan and all those other countries they occupy? And the locals are proud of it. The japs are defending their Made in USA Constitution with teeth and fists. Or do the germans want a now trendy "Made in China" Constitution?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:23 | 4606909 bilejones
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" Germany is an occupied country that has no constitution."


Like Palestine then.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:23 | 4605453 Pee Wee
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Unconstitutional and illegal surveillance has decimated US foreign policy today and damned it long into the future.

If any current Congressional encumbant has EVER sided or supported the Patriot Act, throw them out. 

Its long overdue for an intelligence-agency-gone-wild enema.  Get rid of the entire industrial intelligence complex.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:07 | 4605456 buzzsaw99
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<-- a little french whine with that sour kraut bitchez?

<-- some cheese wit dat wine bitchez? (in ghetto jive)

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:25 | 4605467 Chuck Knoblauch
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Germany, it may be time to grow a Nationalist spine again. Too bad you don't have any natural resources to barter for power.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:31 | 4605478 Uncle Remus
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"Our German engineers are better than their German engineers."

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:28 | 4605470 shinobi-7
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An alliance of Russia, India, China and Germany? That would certainly be a different world but it is still far too soon to even consider. But would Europe breaks apart then it suddenly becomes much less radical. We are in any case within one, two at most, years of momentous changes. What cannot last won't. Let's enjoy the last few tops of the surging market, it's all the way down after that. We are already seeing cracks all over the place here. But it is true that Japan is now in a rather moldy part of the financial edifice.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:29 | 4605472 B2u
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It is NOT to protect you, it is to CONTROL you.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:30 | 4605477 Cornholiovanderbilt
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I think the krauts need to stfu and worry more about putin enacting his revenge

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:31 | 4605479 wonderatitall
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its bush, or christie ,or romney, or reagan , dammit blame whitey

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:37 | 4605490 Kirk2NCC1701
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Germans, shut up and just follow your orders, as your Ami masters tell you to do.

(optional Sarc tag, for those who need one)

p.s. Did anyone notice the sarcasm squared?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:40 | 4605494 dumbStruck
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I' m shocked that a CEO of a major communications company would find it shocking at all that spooks were sniffing around his company. I would'nt be shocked if they, the CEO's of the various outfits were'nt in the loop with the spooks somehow, somewhere. Anyone with half a brain would not be shocked that a major communication center was being spied on by the NSA. Thus giving someone like the CEO of a company who should have at least half a brain a credibility problem when they say they were shocked.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:55 | 4605523 TPTB_r_TBTF
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His company network is being attacked several times per second, ... and he knows it.

Christian Steffen is a liar.  Just another corporate liar.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:45 | 4606538 Ifigenia
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In the heyday of subprime crisis, the banksters cried louder than all the sheeps together, thanks to msm, so banksters are compensated at the expense of the sheeps.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:38 | 4605495 One And Only
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Germany has a military?

Is this it?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:59 | 4606207 css1971
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More like this:

The thing to remember though, is that the US military is larger than all the others put together. What this means is that it plays a much larger role in American society than the other militaries do within their respective countries. It's also very visibly out there kicking the arses of any country of brown people who have oil whereas the others spend less time doing that.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:47 | 4606548 Ifigenia
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Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:42 | 4605505 JR
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Thanks, Tyler, for the information that shows the extent of NSA spying on German communications. But we all need to realize, these revelations are not economic espionage; they are political espionage.

Germany is not the target of NSA spying; Russia is - because it is Russia that is standing in the way of IMF and Federal Reserve expansion into Russian zones of influence. It is especially incorrect at this time to categorize Putin’s efforts as restoring the old USSR; the Soviet system like the German Nazi system, fell. And using those outdated images contributes to warmongering.

Putin, obviously, is protecting Russian political and commercial interests by stopping an IMF takeover. The NSA revelations concerning Germany help the American Empire (Fed/IMF) identify how strong or weak the German political system will be in the expansion of the European Union.

But it is not Merkel but the German people who will refuse to be just another American puppet when the chips are down.

At every revelation, the world should pray for Edward Snowden’s continued safety. And with Britain’s threat against The Guardian (obviously coming from US leverage), one can only marvel at Greenwald’s prescient move for independence.

By the way, the constant mention of the USSR recalls images of Joseph Stalin; Putin, however, is not Stalin.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:44 | 4605512 Red Lenin
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Everybody spies on their friends and allies.  The trick is being professional enough at it not to get caught.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:17 | 4605675 ThisIsBob
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Sort of like masturbation.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 12:46 | 4605516 q99x2
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Arrest Clapper.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:46 | 4605753 Seal
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Clapper! ARREST OBOMBA!!!!!!

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:03 | 4605537 JimmyRainbow
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Fact: Germany (engineering/manufacturing prowess) and Russia (commodity behemoth) are a match made in heaven.


and germans and russians hurt each other from time to time. but there also is some kind of deep deep friendship underneath, several 100 years old.

let the witch of the west babble.....


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:09 | 4605548 buzzsaw99
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putin already has missiles, nukes, and mercedes. germany ain't got jack.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:57 | 4605631 kurt
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"your never gonna get me copper..."

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:18 | 4605568 world_debt_slave
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Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:19 | 4605574 dogismycopilot
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Russian Oligarchs Buy German Utility's Oil And Gas Business

RWE, Germany’s second largest utility, said on Sunday that it would sell itsupstream oil and gas business to two Russian oligarchs for $7 billion.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:25 | 4605588 squid427
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@Cognitive Dissonance

I just wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed listening to the interview with you that is posted on two ice floes. You are a truely inspirational person that has me working on becoming a more well rounded individual who understands myself and my place in the world. Again THANKS!

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:34 | 4605597 litemine
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Although Canada has a small economic Total our resources have mainly been sold to the USA. Too bad Canada does not let it's Balls drop and sell it's commodities on the open market to the highest bidder.

We to have been controled by the Americans and our leader wants to tie our hands with deals that remove even more control of our Country. Don't know what sheep harper was caught fucking but he had no trouble in changing the Canadian Military from a peace keeping force to an Aggressor which is what Nato turned into.

He has give all info to America which has given it to Israel and whoever else wanted it....after all , why wouldn't the Corporate American  use whatever trick in their book for profits.

I say if a CIA member is caught in Canada, they should be charged and treated as the skum they are.  remember harper gave into extradition of a seed seller? A Canadian exported to and American Jail for doing what is becoming more and more Legal....................Fuck all politicians that are corrupt. Open season on financial crooks, they have destroyed what our forfathers died for. Trust is gone. 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:14 | 4605667 Leraconteur
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My first passport is from the USA, I reside overseas, and I speak with expat Canadians often in my travels.

Just a few points:

-Canada is deluded into thinking that if it just keeps its head down and does not aspire to larger ambitions then the world will simply leave it alone and history will pass it by.

-Canada sold its soul to the USA decades ago, and now you are selling your soul to the Chinese.

-Canada is moving from being USA's lapdog, to China's lapdog.

You need to decide whether you want to stand on your own and be a nation that deserves the legacy of being the ONLY foreign country to successfully invade the CONUS, or continue to be a nation of weak betas following The Top Dog, whomever that is at the moment.

Ceasing your Immigrant Investor Program was a good first step. Consider taking the second one and dis-engaging from the USA. The CONUS is going to get a very bad geo-political reputation, and sinking economy, and you don't want friends like that any longer. 

Stop being so damn Canadian NICE and grow a pair.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:17 | 4605677 29.5 hours
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"Fuck all politicians that are corrupt."

That sentence can be shortened.



Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:54 | 4606191 Ckierst1
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Not really-you'll do what the Queen tells you to do!  Hell, we even do what the Queen tells us to do!  Go figure.  Do we REALLY need a clone of the BOE?  Does the Queen do what Evelyn tells her to do?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:34 | 4605599 oldmanofthesee
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What astounds me, is that even with all the info the US collects, we do such a shit job on the world stage.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:55 | 4605630 kurt
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Like the study of coprolites, you would expect them to find some telling nugget. Perhaps it is just pure shit.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:42 | 4605607 JR
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The euro and European Union mean countless years of more pain, suffering and poverty for all the peoples of Europe but especially for the Germans.

Says Robert Hickson: "As Sylvia Poggioli (NPR) indicated, the debate over Germany's role in Europe has invariably been contextualized by 'the politics of history,' which is to say the Jewish manipulation of German guilt for financial advantage."

Hickson in his article of February 2012, The Asphyxiation of German History, adds to his above statement, “Germany is now in a life and death struggle with Jewish finance, and as of now it looks as if New York is winning…

“Poggioli, NPR's stringer in Italy, claimed that ‘Germany's obsession with inflation’ had created "strong anti-German sentiment with revived memories of the Nazi occupation’ in Greece, as well as ‘more and more references to the German past, such as goose-stepping methods and so on . . . elsewhere in the media.’”

And, so, continues Hickson, “Jewish finance in New York decided to pull out the club known as ‘history’ to beat Germany into submission once again. As Dr.[Paul Craig] Roberts put it:Germany, which has been browbeat since its defeat in World War II, has been made constitutionally incapable of strong leadership. Any sign of German leadership is quickly quelled by dredging up remembrances of the Third Reich.’"

Says Hickson:

 "Leadership in this instance meant that Germany was insisting that the bankers (i.e., Goldman Sachs) who sold Greece toxic financial instruments, which the previous Greek government used to disguise the real magnitude of her indebtedness, take a 50 percent haircut on their bonds. The idea of Germany insisting on shared hardship as the solution to the debt crisis was intolerable to New York's Jewish banking elite."

The favorable double standard afforded 70 years of Stalinism versus 10 years of Hitlerism was created by Jewish and liberal support for Lenin, Stalin and the Bolshevist Movement. Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote in The Gulag Archipelago, “In that same period,” referring to 1945-1966:

"… eighty-six thousand Nazi criminals had been convicted in West Germany. (Meanwhile, in East Germany, nothing of the sort is to be heard. Which means that they have been shod with new shoes; they are valued in the service of the state.) And still we choke with anger here [in the Soviet Union]. ...We even stay after work to attend protest meetings and vote: Too few! Eighty-six thousand are too few. And twenty years is still too little! It must go on and on. And during the same period, in our own country (according to the reports of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court) about ten men have been convicted.... Meanwhile, if we translate 86,000 West Germans into our own terms, on the basis of comparative population figures, it would become one quarter million (175-176)."

Germans must, as Hickson said, resist this "very hostile, strategic psychological warfare now still being conducted against their culture and way of life!"

The boot stomping on the German face, albeit Jewish, is American-made.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:58 | 4607078 Cthonic
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We're all living in Amerika
Amerika ist wunderbar

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 13:45 | 4605617 ThisIsBob
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Jesus, we may have to go back to analogue, snail mail and talking to people face-to-face.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:16 | 4606089 Perfecthedge
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...and real girls instead of virtual sex.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:19 | 4606105 css1971
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To be secure that basically is the case. The digital rabbit hole goes very deep, there are many layers that have to be trusted to run modern systems and they can be compromised at any or indeed all of the layers.


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:22 | 4605686 Joebloinvestor
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It could become tin cans with string and the NSA would still be supplying the string.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 14:34 | 4605719 Leraconteur
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Wow, THAT would be a game-changer if all this end-of-empire NSA spying pushed Germany back into a Neo-Prussian Alliance.

Talk about fucking up. Europe stands zero chance against a Russo-German Alliance.


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 15:02 | 4605783 Uncle Remus
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Well, that and the end of the Petro$.

Somehow, I don't think American mail-order brides will work out very well. Sorry "ladies".

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