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China & Crimea: Ideals And Reality, Glory And Dreams

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Submitted by Yang Hengjun via The Diplomat,

By abstaining on the UN vote on Crimea, China made a good choice. I wonder, is China the most frequent abstainer from UN Security Council votes? Earlier, when China’s international clout was lower, abstaining from voting was always interpreted as a sign of helplessness and a desire to avoid trouble. However, now that China has grown strong, the interpretation is different. Now it seems that China is showing its strength and its strategic independence through abstention votes. The policy of “hiding one’s strength and biding one’s time” is the same way—when China was weak, it was the only choice, but now that China is strong it becomes a conscious, free choice. In the international chess match, the same phrase now has a completely different meaning.

Today we often hear people shout that China should get rid of the policy of “hiding one’s strength and biding one’s time,” because they take Vladimir Putin as their spiritual teacher. They point out that Putin dares to “say no” to the West and to the whole world. In their eyes, “saying no” is the same as abandoning the “hiding and biding” policy. However, the foreign policy of a state should be based on national interests, national security and national stability, and more importantly on economic development and the improvement of people’s lives. Who is not able to “say no”? During a time when many Chinese people were starving to death, our whole nation kept “saying no” to the world. Even those countries who wanted to provide aid to us were rejected with a “no.” Was it really that great?

Why does Putin want to “say no”? It’s because the West has no respect for him. Whether or not Putin “says no” makes little difference on the international stage. His “no” has never brought any benefits to Russia, so why does he keep saying it? The answer is that Putin’s “saying no” to the West is directed at a Russian audience—he wants to use this to build up a tough-guy image for himself and arouse the nationalistic mood among the Russian people. Afterwards, he can ensure that he can remain the “elected president” for his entire life. This is Putin’s dream.

Since Putin took office in 2000, international oil prices have been soaring. Putin took advantage of his good luck and stylized himself as “Putin the Great” who restored Russia’s glory…

Diplomatic relations can be roughly categorized into realism (utilitarianism) and idealism (led by ideology and philosophy). Although realism has been dominant in modern times, idealism has seemingly been everywhere and nowhere. I can distinguish the diplomatic practices of China and U.S. in this way: U.S. is a realist with ideals, while China is a realistic idealist. The “realism” of each country is more or less the same, but the ideals are not. The U.S. adores liberty and democracy while China worships the idea of a socialist democracy with Chinese characteristics. Despite its ideals, the U.S. often makes compromises in its philosophy for practical benefits. And although China is relatively realist, it sometimes makes some concessions in its realism to prioritize principles such as the stability of the state and the leadership of the ruling party.  It’s because of such compromises and concessions by the U.S. and China that “new type great power relations” becomes possible.

Russia, however, is a realist through and through. Of course, you can’t blame Russia for this…

Nevertheless, realism is not easy. As we all know, realist foreign policy relies on the strength of a state. What kind of strength does Russia have? The money from selling oil may be barely enough to improve people’s livelihood and therefore ensure that Putin wins consecutive terms, but this is not enough to impress the international community. But Putin is smarter than anyone else. Without ideals, and without the power to pursue realist goals abroad, Putin wanted to have the people consider him as a hero, to believe that without Putin they would be bullied by foreigners. And the only way to do that was to stoke up nationalism by habitually opposing the West and always having the word “no” on his lips.

That is why Putin has never hesitated in saying “no” to the West, especially the U.S., whenever he could. Although internationally such opposition amounts to nothing, he has enjoyed an increasingly higher reputation among the “Russian people” who grew up under the Soviet Union. In today’s Russia, which rarely mentions freedom and democracy but also doesn’t dare to raise Soviet ideology, “Putin” has become the “ideology” and “ideal” of the state. At this time, Crimea is just like manna from heaven, a God-given opportunity to Putin.

Putin just has to take Crimea. Meanwhile, considering Russia’s national interests and security, annexing Crimea had a hundred benefits and no harms. The West’s choices are extremely limited. Putin will never be afraid of military intervention. The Soviet Union was defeated in a clash of ideology and wills, not in real battles. With this in mind, Putin would rather resort to arms than confront the U.S. in a battle of ideals and convictions.

The U.S. knows this, and won’t resort to the use of force. As for economic sanctions, oil is the mainstay of Russia’s economy and (because shale gas in the U.S. has not started mass production) Russia’s oil is irreplaceable. And in terms of trade restrictions, don’t forget about China. Without the involvement of China, the world’s second largest economy, a country that can manufacture anything except sophisticated weapons (which Russia, incidentally, does make), how can economic sanctions work?

The timing of Russia’s confrontation with the U.S. is good for China not only in terms of economy and military “benefits,” but even more so in the political dimension. The “new type great power relations” between China and the U.S. is just waiting for a final push—this confrontation from Putin could help the U.S. to become more realistic and more sober-minded. America, don’t spend all day thinking about “peaceful evolution” in Beijing—China is just a panda; your “enemy” is a polar bear.

Someone may say that China should take this chance to ally with Russia in confronting the United States. I say to these people, you can’t defeat the U.S, so what’s the use of wasting human resources, materials, and energy? And allying with Russia is even less appealing—there’s no need to, and taking a long-term view there are too many variables to consider. When Putin steps down or dies, Russia will change overnight—at that time, when the Russian people have lost “Putin the Great,” will they have any choice other than embracing liberty and democracy? However, China has options and thus doesn’t need to tie itself to any great power.

The problems in Crimea are complicated and there’s some truth to each side. If you really want to separate right from wrong, you’ll probably find that there’s not even a unified standard to determine “right” and “wrong.” According to the constitution of Ukraine, the referendum of Crimea is certainly unlawful. But just like the pursuit of liberty and democracy, national self-determination can supersede any national constitution. Otherwise, how did so many colonized and newly established nations achieve their independence? And how did the 15 unified republics of the Soviet Union vote to secede regardless of the constitution of Soviet Union?

The complexity of Crimea also comes from this: Putin’s merging with Crimea not only broke the pattern of international relations in the post-Cold War era, but also went against the main trend of history in the past 100 years. What main trend of history? As everyone knows, in the past 100 years, almost all the great empires have disintegrated (including China, as when Russia helped Outer Mongolia split off). These empires have broken up into smaller nations. This trend began with colonized areas one by one gaining independence, and continued up until the collapse of Soviet Union. Looking back over many years, Russia’s annexation of Crimea is the only case in which a great power acquired so a large piece of territory in an instant (of course, this does not include the large piece of land which was stolen from China’s hands by Russia in the past). Only the God who gave this manna to Russia knows what price Russia will pay for this in the future.

The best choice for China in the Crimea problem is to make no choice; the best stance for China is not to take sides. China needs a peaceful international environment. In the future, China should both develop with the U.S. a no-confrontation, no-conflict, win-win “new type great power relationship.” But China should also develop a “new type great power relationship” with Russia that is neutral, not an alliance. In addition, China should focus on developing multilateral relationships with Europe, the Americas, and Australia, while at the same time putting more efforts and investing more energy into improving relations with neighboring countries. If those major relationships are well managed, even if the world experiences more “Crimea incidents,” how could it have a big impact on China’s interests and dreams?

 

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Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:13 | 4606883 Newsboy
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"Not taking sides" is taking sides, isn't it?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:16 | 4606891 Jackagain
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That's what Bush the Dolt said a while back...

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:23 | 4606910 Newsboy
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Ouch!

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:29 | 4606926 AlaricBalth
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The writer lost me at "the US adores liberty and democracy..."

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:43 | 4606943 Anusocracy
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Liberty and democracy are opposites.

lib·er·ty (l?b??r-t?)
n. pl. lib·er·ties
1.
a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom.

de•moc•ra•cy (d??m?k r? si)

n., pl. -cies.
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government.
3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.
5. the common people, esp. with respect to their political power.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:52 | 4606968 nmewn
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Exactly right.

The best argument against a democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:54 | 4606974 prains
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...or bonestar

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:57 | 4606980 nmewn
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Or a whole fucking blockchain of them.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:02 | 4606987 prains
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the blockchain will be a the metaphysical version of his virtual car up on blocks because he had to pawn his virtual tires

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:35 | 4607048 Oh regional Indian
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Me thinks the diPOOPlomat is a surreal dumbist.

Like AlBr pointed above. US adores libert.....aaaarrgggghhh......whut? 

Buh!

ori

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XijsnujcFg

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:46 | 4607062 NoDebt
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THIS WHOLE DAMNED ARGUEMNT IS SETTLED ALREADY.

Steven Segal has sided with Russia.

http://news.yahoo.com/steven-seagal-loves-putin-might-become-russian-cit...

You can all go home now.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:36 | 4607112 Anusocracy
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Well I can't top that, but I will repost this link as a good Sunday read - especially if you can understand that THE moral foundation of libertarianism is liberty:

Understanding Libertarian Morality: The Psychological Dispositions of Self-Identified Libertarians

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0042366

This article compliments the above:

Mentalism and Mechanism
the twin modes of human cognition

http://www.thegreatdebate.org.uk/MentalismCB.html

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 06:54 | 4607360 jeff montanye
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i could be wrong but imo this is where yang really starts to earn his (quite rare really) one star:

"Although realism has been dominant in modern times, idealism has seemingly been everywhere and nowhere - U.S. is a realist with ideals, while China is a realistic idealist."

while this seems to me a distinction without a difference and smacks of all too much academic writing, i don't even think the part about the u.s. as being a realist is true.  i think "steal as much as you can, killing whom you think maybe you have to, or should, or can, and hope the reckoning happens on someone else's shift" comes closer.

israel? i mean really, is this a realistic idea?  petrodollars and triple deficits that look like something trying to achieve escape velocity?  for two.

 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 07:54 | 4607398 kaiserhoff
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The Diplomat.., again.  Gag me with a spoon.  There are real and important things happening in the world.  This stuff isn't even fit to line bird cages. 

Are all the real tylers still hung over from St. Patties?

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 09:27 | 4607498 strannick
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More anti Putin pap, from someone who apparently reads too much Time Magazine

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 11:40 | 4607691 falak pema
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Judging by this thread you guys ALL believe in Hegemons; no bottom up logic,  all top down.

In name of God, religion, Caesar, and now Oligarchs.

We are heading towards global fascism and a lot of people seem to feel its the best way to get raped.

Lie by and enjoy it. 

The day they invent  a brand of Anarchy, as a form of government that works, wake me up.

History shows its the entry port to every Hegemon. 

Maximise social entropy and you will have law and order imposed from the top. 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 13:12 | 4607901 Oracle 911
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It is rare when I want give a negative rating to articles, this is one of them.

BTW Strannick, I agree with you.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 01:22 | 4607177 LMAOLORI
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@NoDebt

 

 

Maybe - Maybe Not (but lol on SS)

Defending Everything = Defending Nothing
Sun, 03/30/2014 - 10:10 | 4607551 shovelhead
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I read that as a firm tongue-in-cheek paen to diplo-speak. The author deliberately left out 'the illusion of'.

One has to keep in mind that the job of a news reporter and the job of a Diplomat consist of knowing what's really going on in various players minds, but the output is considerable different.

The reporter is encouraged to leave smoking craters in the landscape because it sells news.

The Diplomat's purpose is to pave the holes smooth.

Keeping this in mind, I think the author brings a useful and reasonable analysis of China's position and fighting well above his weight from the usual twaddle the Diplomat renders, which, by design, should be the antithesis of Fight Club.

The US illustrates the difference in outcomes by having a pack of hyenas in the State Dept. as opposed to a smooth and guiding hand.

Not a recipe for international successful relations.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 03:27 | 4607259 mrpxsytin
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I think a lot of us make the mistake of conflating democracy with universal suffrage. Allowing the morons to vote is not necessarily democracy. It is universal suffrage; one of many variables that can be tweaked in a democracy. 

Universal suffrage is an horrific policy. I think that is the cause of your disdain for democracy. 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 07:55 | 4607400 kaiserhoff
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Amen.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 09:32 | 4607504 nmewn
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It is that, allowing complete idiots to vote...and much much more. Looking at your bio maybe you can understand better than perhaps I can explain...but here goes.

Even allowing federal bureaucrats & officials to vote in national elections should be prohibited. To what do they owe their source of income, their very livlihoods?

The federal government.

So of course they're going to vote in the interests of "the state" which is, themselves. There is no thought or consideration of how large or domineering it already is or what it will become after casting their vote.

In this way of acting, they are no different than the CEO & board members strip mining any given corporation without any regard to the long term viability of the corporation that sustains them in the present, until its gone, a husk, along with the employees, sometime in the future.

But the word "democracy" sounds good doesn't it? Its why the concept has been pushed here since Wilson and readily applauded by a gaggle of barking/clapping seals who think simply voting (without knowing what they're voting for or against) is the representation of all their liberty & freedoms. Every voice is heard AND more importantly counted no matter deficient or destructive to the whole it is and naturally it cancels out the ones that do know.

Until the day arrives and there is a knock at the door with a demand for payment for "services rendered" with money or community service or forfeiture etc. they will never know what they voted for.

Then its too late as the kind & compassionate bureaucrat informs them what they actually voted for.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 10:22 | 4607560 shovelhead
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Holy Smokes!

A competency test for voting?

Can't you hear the howls already about people having to show ID for eligibility to vote?

Even a free Obamaphone needs an ID.

You must be a serial disenfranchiser and a profligate disempowermentarian.

Dead people and cartoon characters have rights too, ya know.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:17 | 4607101 JuliaS
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In a democracy an individual is always a minority by definition.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:39 | 4607131 Oh regional Indian
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Very true. Demoncrazy is thinly disguised communism.

ori

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 06:05 | 4607330 beaglebog
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Not simply opposites ... but mutually exclusive.

 

 

 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 06:36 | 4607344 Tsukato
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Hey Cheng Liang, did baba buy this job for you? This was one of the most trite, simple, sophomoric, idiotic, numbskull "analysis" I've ever seen puked out on paper. You may gain face back home in zhonguuo for writing in the diplomat, but know this: outside zhonguuo, you are a fucking laughingstock. Your analysis is not unlike what we could expect from a middle school student in the states. So even though you were able to memorize your way through school, and parrot your idiotic mentors, the rest of the world sees you as a joke, a maroon, and a clown. Come back to CCTV where "foreign affairs experts" are respected for their ridiculously unenlightened views and their shiney meguo PhDs. Chinese are incapable of anything but stealing others ideas. People like you should be more selective in whose ideas you pilfer. Dumbass.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:46 | 4607061 disabledvet
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"shhh. ancient Chinese secret."

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 01:02 | 4607156 LMAOLORI
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@Newsboy

 

Also from The Diplomat

 

 Why China Backs Russia on Ukraine

 

and about those weapons

 

Russia May Sell China New Advanced Submarines
Sun, 03/30/2014 - 05:40 | 4607312 negative rates
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If you choose not to decide, you still have made a decision.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:03 | 4607404 RafterManFMJ
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...you can choose from phantom fears, and kindness that can kill...

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:11 | 4607415 squib
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It's 'choice', you still have made a 'choice'!

Stop wasting our time.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 21:07 | 4609075 zhanglini
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if you are not with us, you are against us

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:14 | 4606884 Jackagain
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Armada Markets Launches Chinese Yuan and Russian Ruble Trading

http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2014/03/28/armada-markets-launches-chine...

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:42 | 4607058 UselessEater
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saw this when checking out your article....

Russia, North Korea Agree to Settle Payments in Rubles Trade Pact

http://en.ria.ru/business/20140328/188842736/Russia-North-Korea-Agree-to...

 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:26 | 4606917 williambanzai7
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"the Russian people who grew up under the Soviet Union"

It broke up over 20 years ago. Young Russians grew up under the internet.

What if George Bush in a drunken stupor handed Texas over to Mexico. Would it be empire building if we went and got it back?

Where did we find this presumptuous idiot?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:48 | 4606955 Dr. Bonzo
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I'm still surprised Hong Kong activists haven't taken the opportunity to propose a similar referendum as the Crimean referendum. The narrative of this piece is surprisingly blind to the process by which Vlad swiped Crimea back. i can think of a few Chinese territories and provinces that wouldn't mind some referendums of their own.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:55 | 4606975 nmewn
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Tibet? ;-)

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:02 | 4606984 Son of Loki
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Russia gets Crimea.

IMF gets the Ukraine.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:07 | 4607003 nmewn
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And China keeps Tibet...according to this authors version of "democracy".

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:24 | 4607429 kaiserhoff
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Nepal, Kashmir, when did they invite the Chinese?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:06 | 4607000 Anusocracy
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He came from the Diplomat School of Unreconstructed Cretins.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:21 | 4607023 nmewn
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Yes.

Tibet has no future as a "democracy" in the same way Crimea has none now by "democracy". So one can assume Putin & Russia will stay out of, that is to say, not have a heavy hand in, the day to day functions of the Crimean "democracy" now.

Yes, of course...lol.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:39 | 4607052 Oh regional Indian
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Nm, Place where this becomes apples to oranges is the fact that China massacared half of Tibet to "take" it.

Crimea in comparison was/is the perfect crime.

That said though...democracy....what a masterful slice at the global knee. You have a vote, therefore you are free...

ori 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:53 | 4607070 disabledvet
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there was a time when Tibet ruled over 2/3rds of present day China as well.

"monk on that one for a while...

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:41 | 4607132 Oh regional Indian
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Really? When? 8,000 years ago? Those Chinese dynasties go pretty far back as I recall, unbroken chain....

Do elaborate?

ori

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 05:11 | 4607296 Learn more and ...
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From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tibetan_empire_greatest_extent_780s-79...

780 - 790 - Looks like it included modern Tibet, and parts of the modern Chinese provinces of Qinghai, Xinjiang, Gansu, Sichuan and Yunnan

 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:40 | 4607445 falak pema
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7th to 9th century AD....under buddhist leaders. 

China has existed since 5000 years. 

The Mongols of 12th century had a bigger empire than the Tibetans. They Even conquered all of China. 

But in the History of China, and of its combined/accumulated cultural heritage, it was just a short span of 150 years...

Mongols left no philosophical thread of any value. Whereas the Chinese invented Taoism and Confucianism. 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 05:51 | 4607320 negative rates
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But you couldn't have been wrong about anything, huh?

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:31 | 4607437 Oh regional Indian
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Huh? 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 10:39 | 4607586 shovelhead
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Part of the Anglo-Saxon /American tradition of it being proper form to ask for your opinion before ignoring it entirely.

Smooths over some of the rough bumps of running an Empire domestically.

No such constraints on foreign adventures.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:09 | 4607007 laomei
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Problem with that being that Hong Kong is 100% reliant on the mainland for basically everything.  China also isn't the ukraine, China is more than capable of securing its lands and blowing the shit out of anyone who makes a concerted effort to destabilize the nation.  Those NED-funded "activists" would see HK lose any benefit it has, while in reality, it's a hell of a lot better than it was under the union jack boot of yesteryear.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:22 | 4607026 Anusocracy
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Hong Kong is sitting pretty right where it is.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:32 | 4607123 Ifigenia
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but the majority of HK people are chineses, arent they? so, for them it need only to choose between PRC or ROC.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 01:45 | 4607193 Quus Ant
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*bless you*

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 04:18 | 4607277 Dr. Bonzo
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Ask a Hongkie if they're Chinese. Here ya go. Some subtle hints:

 

http://badcanto.wordpress.com/

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 04:16 | 4607274 Dr. Bonzo
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Problem with that being that before 1997 Hong kong got along just splendidly without the commies thank you very much.

Hong Kong [sic] also isn't the ukraine

The focus of the Sino-Russian glad-handing is the Russians "snatching back" an "errant" province a la Taiwan or some such, while in all the bombastic chestthumping the trivial matter of the referendum is conveniently overlooked. I know exactly what outcome such a referendum would have in Hong Kong.... and you do too. Hypocrite.

it's a hell of a lot better than it was under the union jack boot of yesteryear.

So that's your story? 3 million Chinese fled into the arms the Union jack boot between 50-90s? LMFAO. You have to be a dyed-in-the-wool murdering scumbag to believe that shit.

I can confidently state life in Hong Kong has become an anguishing grind compard to the pr-97 handover. Most Hong Kong people who fled here from the mainland ran from wholesale SLAUGHTER... their families, businesses, communities devastated by mindless savarge brutal Communist purges during the Cultural Revolution.

The mainland is systematically eradicating the language and culture of Hong Kong people, attacking its free press, determining its population policies while systemic corruption and fraud drive mainlanders to seek common consumer items in Hong Kong that they cannot trust on the mainalnd. This rabid frenzied wave of daytrippers is destroying comunities and putting an excessive burden on our infrastructure. The influx of filthy money being laundered into the property market is driving property prices well beyond the reach of the sandwich class and younger people here.

You think I'm making this shit up for my own amusement?

All statist murdering scumbags can rot in hell. And if you love them so much, you may rot in hell too.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 05:53 | 4607322 Apostate2
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Thank you Dr Bonzo. Spot on.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:32 | 4606918 Jack Burton
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How do you Take Crimea, when Crimea was never Ukrainian, it was gifted by a Ukrainan Communist to a soviet republic of Ukraine. The population is by and large Russian, and they voted to rejoin their over 200 years old motherland relationship. All the screaming and crying from the west is just about their losing the chance to base NATO's navies in Sevastopol and to put missile bases all over Crimea. Their rage knows no limits, because they thought their fascist army on the Miadan had won NATO the whole old Soviet Republic of Ukraine. If you had followed the news, you would have heard the Crimean Parliament say at the very beginning of the Midan coup that Crimea would never accept the illegal overthrow of the Kiev elected government. The Parliament went on to say they were securing their borders, would turn back any Miadan thugs trying to enter Crimea, and that should the west support a fascist coup in Kiev, Crimea would used armed force to secure it's borders and leave the Ukraine immideately the Coup leades took power. Then NATO declared the fascists as the legal government of Ukraine, Crimean Parliament began turning back the Right Sector thugs trying to enter Crimea, and said they would hold a vote to leave Ukraine and offer an option to join the old motherland. And the rest is history. What pisses America off is they already had the plans drawn up to base the USN in Sevastopol and the missile bases were already on the construction list at the Pentagon. Staging a coup, paying 5 billion to make it succeed, and then losing the big prize to some hard core Crimean nationalists just sent the US Neocon rulers in Washington off the deep end. All that money and their conquest slipped right through their fingers and worst yet, it was stolen from them by an open election! Poor neocons, I feel so sad for them. All our wasted tax money spent by them on their big plan to push NATO east and a few million Crimeans screwed the great Neocon war machine right up the ass! How pathetic. These same Neocons have been in Afghanistan for over a decade and Taliban rules most of the country. All the hundreds of billions of dollars and all the dead and wounded troops, and what is the result, absolutly nothing. Gee, Washington's Neocon warriors are some real fuck ups.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:50 | 4606947 prains
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Jack, next time you're gonna lay out some heavy truth could you lead with a "spoiler alert": tag so i can make a cup of tea first and really enjoy some down home truthiness

 

thanks for that by the way

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:50 | 4606964 A Lunatic
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+ 1000 kulebjakas

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:34 | 4607045 Boomberg
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Excellent. Don't forget about losing the war in Iraq at an estimated cost of a trillion dollars and thousands of dead. Yes, Iraq is lost and is now the prime staging area and home for al-Qaeda in the Middle East. Perhaps that is what the Neocons wanted anyway however. 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:00 | 4607083 disabledvet
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mehhh, sometimes you get carried away with things...wanna try out all your fancy new toys, be Master Blaster for a spell.

"It's not the Presidency if it doesn't go to your head."

Just ask Cairo "boy have we got a hangover" Egypt.
First stop on the 2008 election express (?) and look how that turned out.

I think President Obama has a "you are now pathetic button" under his desk. still...he has a nice smile.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 10:54 | 4607613 shovelhead
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Lost Iraq?

Do you see Saddam selling oil for Euros in Iraq?

Mission Accomplished.

For the time being...

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:20 | 4607105 JuliaS
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Hey, the money for the coup had to come from somewhere. Is that why the bankers started committing suicides all of the sudden?

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 07:19 | 4607373 messystateofaffairs
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What will really put a post up the Neocons ass is the awakening of about 20% of the US population. If more people turn off the MSM and educate themselves via the net the truth will become a mighty sword for freedom. Tell a friend.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 09:31 | 4607503 unitwar
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I think you fail to understand the Neocons.  They are not interested in conquoring any country.  They want to create failed states that are no threat and make a shitload of money off the weapons and drugs trade.  They got exactly what they wanted in Afganistan.  They control the drug trade and have been able to sell weapons for 12 years!  People mistakenly think Iraq was to get oil.  No, Iraq was to take oil off the market and eliminate any potential threat to Isreal.  Oil before Iraq war: 20 bbl.  After: aroud 100.  Neocons eliminate a potential threat, create new terrorists to give them an excuse for more power and give the big boys the gift of high oil prices.  Saddam wasn't keeping his OPEC quota and was pissing OPEC off so they were happy.  The price of oil was way too low.  Crimea is a distraction for Russia so the Neocons can attack the real target, Syria, which must be taken out before the go after Iran.  It is just a matter of time.  Syria will be attacked and afterwards, Iran.  Fox News will say they are attacking Syria and Iran for freedom and to help them.  They both will be left devastated with ethnic infighting after the attacks and never allowed to have any kind of strong central state that could ever be any kind of threat to Isreal.  Just let them kill each other and sit back making money while the red necks in the US Army do their dirty work for them.  Those dumbasses really think they are fighting for freedom!  Just like the Al Queda in Syria.  Those dumbasses think they are fighting for Islam and they are really fighting for the Neocons!  The goals of the Neocons are not to win any war.  They want the wars to last forever.  There will never be any Marshall plan to rebuild any of the countries that are devestated.  They just tell the dumbasses in the US that they are fighting for freedom, helping the people and want to rebuild their country to sell the war.  Syria will never be one state again when they are through.  It will be split up between ethnic groups that will be distracted fighting each other for decades.  Whenever they get along for a while or stop fighting, a "terrorist" attack will happen that will get them going at each other again.  Syria will look just like Iraq.  So will Iran eventually.  The Neocons are just the group that the MIC in the US has outsourced this work to.   The MIC are using the Neocons objective of protecting Isreal to get them to keep the wars and money rolling in.  Just like in the Middle Ages when the kings outsourced tax collection to the Jews in Europe and the dumbass serfs blamed the Jews for it without thinking it was their kings that came up with the strategy.  The jews were just the ones knocking at the door and collecting the money.  The kings set the tax rates. Well the neocons are just the ones starting the wars, the MIC has the strategy of global domination.  The Neocons are just coming up with the tactics of how to start and keep the wars going.  Yes, the neocons are scum but the real culprits are the Anglo-American scum that want the New World Order.  When will the rednecks ever figure it out?  They have been using them for at least 500 years to fight their wars. Just read that book "Born Fighting" by Jim Webb to see how stupid my people are and how long they have been the unwhitting tools of the elite.  I must say, that guy Jim Webb is one of the biggest Morons ever.  Unless, he doesn't really beleve what he wrote and just did it for his Anglo elite masters because he thinks they let him in the group?  Then he is just a scumbag selling out his own people and not that stupid.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:44 | 4606946 tony wilson
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he wants to use this to build up a tough-guy image for himself and arouse the nationalistic mood among the Russian people. Afterwards, he can ensure that he can remain the “elected president” for his entire life. This is Putin’s dream.

 

and

what is the problem with that you cockless chatham house gay wedding child adoptin faggot?

PUTIN FOREVER I SAY

and a kick in the teeth for the satanic  child rapists in london,israel and washington.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:46 | 4606951 prains
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FYI: your meds still aren't working Tony

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:30 | 4607113 tony wilson
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this ex malaysian airline boeing plane in tel aviv is a little worrying not to mention the other one that was on diego garcia.

wake up

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ286Fpq7Fs

 

 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:16 | 4607013 Quus Ant
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MORT AUX TYRANS

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:56 | 4607075 NoPantsSpongeBob
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Ha, I have seen so many "experts" state without a doubt what Putin thinks, what Putin dreams, what he fears and what he really knows deep inside. Where did all these people get their clairvoyant powers?

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 09:45 | 4607521 intotheblack
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I know, right? Nostalgic for the days when strategic anaysis wasn't so wretchedly personal.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 10:59 | 4607619 shovelhead
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PUNDITRY FOR THE PROLETARIAT!

TEA LEAVES FOR THE MASSES!

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 07:26 | 4607375 messystateofaffairs
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I gave you a +1 on that Tony but have you considered anger management courses, preferably by Freudian trained Jewish analyst.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 11:00 | 4607621 shovelhead
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and a bagel with a schmeer will help.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 15:14 | 4608181 kurt
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Taste the Putintang!

So, Tony, your brother, Charlie got a war AND a movie. I think mom didn't like you best.

Sometimes I wonder if the more vociferous and incendiary writers here are like fishermen, patiently baiting hooks and playing out the lines. Once caught we hand the fish over to the power elite who then evicerate the fish looking for signs.

Like a pachinko machine, the steel balls fill in at the bottom categorized by: potential terrorist, supporter, fringe group, agitator, possible cutout, tool, fodder, death.

Because, seriously, no Minutemen will be born of Zerohedge when they've tooted their revolution song from a recliner at a computer. So how do we start our Dented Tin Horn Revolution?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:49 | 4606957 A Lunatic
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Too many experts, not enough mind your own business.........

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:06 | 4606996 The_Prisoner
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The author faked his own kidnapping in 2011 to raise his profile as international man of mystery and sell spy novels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Hengjun

It would seem he's right at home writing for The Diplomat, driving the Zionist agenda under the guise of internationalism.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:03 | 4606989 Tsukato
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This guy has all the hallmarks of a Chinese who got his phd in America. Born to a rich, corrupt, Chinese family, he spent many summers visiting New York, Disneyland, and Las Vegas. His biggest passion was his dream to go to an Ivy league school in America, and live the American dream, on his parents I'll gotten money. Never having to dabble in day to day reality, he is able to write horseshit articles like this, devoid of any understanding of the world, or dare I say, any foundation in reality. Fuck off cheng liang. Come back to china and write family dramas for CCTV. It's about your speed for originality (family is very strong but there are problems between the grown children that only mama can referee. But oh no! Mama has cancer and is dying! Mama will referee one final time, and permanently fix the family, making it stronger before she dies. Mama dies! Auuuggghhhh!!! Plenty of tears and gnashing of teeth, but the family is stronger, thanks to the parting advice of an ever wise, and party loyal, mama!). :(

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 14:59 | 4608141 kurt
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Tsukato looks like Moisha.

Could you please spew more vitriol?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:17 | 4607017 Ifigenia
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"The timing of Russia’s confrontation with the U.S. is good for China not only in terms of economy and military “benefits,” but even more so in the political dimension."

The author dont know Vitoria Nulland jewish cookies in Maidan Square.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:24 | 4607031 q99x2
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This writer should apply for a job at CNN.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:12 | 4607095 disabledvet
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well...the 9:00 PM slot is opening up. I was thinking of me actually. And I would start by interviewing all of you.

And I'd have a tiki bar and those Honolulu girls who hand out those cool flower thingy's.

Plus free booze for the crowd.

there's be a set of bongo's "that that weird guy could just bang away." and we'd cover stories like "midget trannie porn: is it really worth it?" and "dwarf tossing. how dare the UN, I an economy like this no less."

we'd have hookers and pimps and various other street urchins. the band "the Scum of the Earth!" would be our regular accompaniment.

I also wish to thank Zero Judge for giving me the opportunity to speak on behalf of those lacking in morays and ideals en toto. we'd do a long running, hard hitting exposé called "Mixed Nuts. Certainly more than you can eat in a day."

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 03:25 | 4607257 HurricaneSeason
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No doubt he'd fit in at CNN.

I remember Putin stopping ww3 by preventing the high altitude bombing of Syria and Iran and making the Saudis and Israel quite angry.  Then they spend $5 billion to overthrow Ukraine and fuck the EU if they don't like the leaders the U.S. picks for the Ukraine.  A violent overthrow raiding arsenals and snipers shooting police and rioters.  All so they can take the bases in Crimea and put missiles on the Ukrainian/Russian border to weaken Russia so they can get back to the Syria Iran Bombings to please Israel and the Saudis.  As soon as its finally clear that the mission failed, Obama kicks the Syrian Embassy out of the U.S.

CNN's version: Russia is pissed off about the soviet breakup 25 years ago and will invade and steal a bankrupt country that doesn't pay their gas bills along with half of Europe. I think I know what the history books will say. If Putin can prevent world war 3 again and keep gasoline prices from tripling, good for him. "Putin the Great" vs Obama the Messiah.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 06:49 | 4607355 Tsukato
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This guy should apply for a job sucking rich dick in Macao.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:07 | 4607090 dogismycopilot
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pizs poor

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 19:35 | 4607118 NoPantsSpongeBob
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This is probably the most delusional thing I have read so far here.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:37 | 4607129 The Final Straw
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What about that century of Chinese hegemony? Better relations with neighbours. Right. Maybe mobile forced-abortion vans worldwide as well as mobile execution vans. The Chinese believe they are the master race, and deserve to rule over their lessers. I'd prefer a Russian boot stomping on my face for eternity, to the Chinese XXSmall boot.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 01:18 | 4607174 ebworthen
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The abortion van is bought and paid for in the U.S.S.A., courtesy Obamacare.

That is one of the reasons I'm not paying for that shit.

Go Russia.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 01:17 | 4607171 ebworthen
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We need a Myers-Briggs personality test for nations.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 09:23 | 4607491 FredFlintstone
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Test for psychopathy not personality.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 01:51 | 4607176 honestann
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ALL "nations" are controlled by predatory-authoritarians.  They utterly agree with each other on their primary goals: power over their population (and others), and egregious theft from their population (and others).  And, of course, to keep themselves and their collaborators (central banks) in power.  PERIOD.

Any difference in propaganda, sound-bites and style is purely historical.

And sadly, not even the sheeple-chimps (the slaves, "people", "citizens") in the fictitious western "nations" have even the slightest clue what "liberty" means any more.  Okay, maybe 0.001% do.

The ENTIRE modern "game" has NOTHING whatsoever to do with "the people" in any of the fictional "nations".  The predators-that-be have gained such utter, total, complete control of everything and [virtually] everyone that THEY are the whole game.

This is, of course, what they want --- unlimited POWER.

Of course, the only REAL limits on their power today are:

#1:  The resources of their economies.

#2:  Disputes with other predators.

EVERY predator-that-be wants to RULE THE PLANET.  Some predators (those in smaller "nations") understand that is hopeless for themselves.  Others (in USSA, China, Russia, maybe a few others) imagine they can achieve this goal in some moderate time frame.

The ONLY reason we do not have UNIFIED RULE today (sometimes called the new world order or NWO) is that the top-level predators-that-be who control nations (the predators who control the central banks and largest corporations) do not yet control (or have a firm, friendly understanding with) their counterparts in China or Russia.

This is well understood by ALL high level predators in EVERY "nation" (and "power block").  The western central banks constantly work towards their plan to enforce a stranglehold over ALL HUMAN BEINGS.  At the moment, it appears the predators-that-be in China and Russia are smart enough to realize that cooperating with the western predators-that-be will eventually lead them to have NO seat at the final table.  And so, they resist.

Good for them.  That gives the few honest, ethical, productive individuals remaining on this planet a little more time to get their butts OFF this planet and establish liberty and individualism in the only viable new frontier.  And make no mistake, given the virtually complete stranglehold on the minds of the vast majority of sheeple-chimps on this planet, a frontier is the only place liberty and individualism have a chance to survive.  Fortunately, due to the physical nature of outer space, outer space cannot be ruled by predators, so liberty and individualism can survive in outer space.  This is true because it costs far more to find and chase after producers in outer space than the predators could possibly extract from them.  The same dynamic does not work on earth, and so earth shall remain a slave planet indefinitely.

This is the substance.  All else is fluff, nonsense and irrelevancies.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 04:23 | 4607282 itstippy
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The few remaining freedom lovers on this planet will band together, build a rocket ship, and launch themselves into outer space?  In the pursuit of liberty and individualism?

That's . . . interesting.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:20 | 4607425 litemine
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I disagree.

It will be the Elite, on the rocketship (payed by the Blood Sweat and tears of others) to seek a new world because they Fucked this one up. They presently control puppets to do their bidding and control smother anyone who trys to speak up against them. The CIA/NSA/TSA as well a some Military leaders will do what ever it takes for personal gains.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 08:09 | 4609994 honestann
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As things stand today, that is indeed the most likely scenario.

However, the fact that the predators-that-be in the USSA have so massively scaled back their space development projects implies their timeframe for building luxury space habitats for themselves to enjoy is... several decades away.

Those of us with plans for private endeavors in outer space must get there first.  Why?  Because by the time they are ready, everyone on earth will be so thoroughly monitored and enslaved, that private efforts will be difficult if not impossible.

The Chinese might be viable partners, but when it comes right down to it, before any private endeavor became viable, practical and imminent, they'd probably decide they too want no private, liberty, individualist habitats in outer space too.  Though... I'm not 100% sure they would care.  The goal of western predators-that-be is most definitely complete domination of every sentient being in the universe.  You may laugh, but I know.  Even their core terminology screams this out loud... "full spectrum dominance" being just one of them.  So forget collaboration with the western powers.  Not gonna happen unless they ultimately have control (which completely defeats the purpose).

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 08:11 | 4609979 honestann
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Reality is not a movie, and my message is not a simplistic B movie script.  First, a few fully private (non-government) efforts to escape the gravity well of earth and establish self-sufficient digs in outer space DO exist.  At least one fairly serious one existed as long as 30 years ago (called the L5 society), though it was not really "independent" of earth, it was "selling energy to earth".  So it really didn't solve the "liberty" problem, but might have made that step much easier to achieve if successful.

Each endeavor to get off earth has its own approach and its own practical difficulties and problems.  Some even have money, being personal projects of some "very rich and famous" folks like Branson and Theil.

Unfortunately, all existing endeavors that I know about have weaknesses, including the endeavor I am part of (though I suspect our endeavor has the best chance, for rather odd reasons).  At some point one would hope the various groups would join forces and collaborate on whatever is the most efficient and practical implementation.  At the moment the level of desparation is too low, and the various groups are too worried about being "the first", or they've fallen in love with "their approach", or one of the various reasons people refuse to collaborate effectively.  And, of course, some groups and endeavors are so far behind they don't really have anything to contribute that other endeavors don't already have.

So let me just say this.  I'm a realist.  And as such, I am very worried that the globalist predators-that-be will be able to implement a strangle-hold on space travel soon enough to prevent any independent endeavors in space from being possible.  However, we must carry on with our efforts.  We still DO have time.

Furthermore, we (speaking broadly here) have a couple wildcards up our sleeves in the form of blockbuster breakthrough game-changer technologies entirely in private hands that can potentially make one-way missions into outer space practical (as well as sufficiently advanced self-sufficient systems so these pioneers need zero additional resources from earth, and can thus be totally and permanently independent).

This is not a trivial project, especially for private folks.  Furthermore, it appears we (speaking broadly again) need to be able to design, implement and carry out these endeavors without commercial payback from earth-based operations (by supplying products back to earth).  Which means, whatever time, effort, money, talent and resources are invested in this effort... do not pay back financially.  Instead, the payback is a new place to live, and liberty.  All the predators-that-be on earth can play their games, and we will no longer play any part in them whatsoever.

Some very positive signs exist.  A couple private companies have successfully launched spacecraft into earth orbit [one of which docked with the international space station].  So... the basic ability for private entities to "get into space" is developing.  It is not cheap, but this endeavor cannot be done cheaply.  YET.

The fact is, known technology exists to greatly improve the efficiency of launching space-craft into orbit, as well as the manufacture of more efficient spacecraft to stay in orbit [and support human beings].  One example is graphene, which makes it possible to massively reduce spacecraft mass/weight (unfortunately not including the fuel).  But several large but incremental technological developments like graphene have happened and continue to happen.  Unfortunately, to develop design and manufacturing expertise with these new technologies is often an agonizingly slow and expensive process, especially for rather money-poor entities (because they don't have huge mass-market products feeding their operations).

The endeavor I'm working on may well be the one that "blows the doors off" this whole endeavor.  I hope so... though frankly I'd be happy to see other private collaborations solve as many of the existing problems as possible, and bring their costs down to practical levels.  The more success the better.  Hopefully at some point one of the endeavors will make some visible breakthrough or demonstrate some visible advance so impressive that everyone begs to join their effort, and hopefully they are willing to collaborate with other serious people who have been working towards this end.

We shall see.

One problem is... resources to finance these efforts are so limited.  For example, the endeavor I work on has zero external financial resources.  All money is contributed by the collaborators, almost all of whom are the scientists and engineers who are working on implementing our breakthrough technology.  It is difficult to fathom how much faster we could progress with modest additional revenue.  However, we are all painfully aware of "how this works".  We've seen endless other groups switch their focus to "raising their profile" in order to "raise more money"... and end up being little more than a fan club (for fans of their approach or technology).  We won't do that.  We spend 100% of our time implementing our technology, which is, without any doubt whatsoever, a blockbuster breakthrough game-changer technology.

So... that's my summary.  This CAN happen, and this WILL happen...

IF we get done before the predators-that-be get themselves in a position to prevent any independent entity from permanently leaving earth, and becoming self-sufficient.  The predators-that-be are indeed moving in that direction, and will definitely stop the establishment of independent settlements in outer space if they can.  Which means the clock is ticking...

PS:  Probably only 25% of the people involved in these projects openly admit their motive has anything to do with "liberty" or "individualism".  My guess is, probably the actual number is only slightly above 25%.  The remainder are "space nuts"... which I most certainly do not say with a derogatory tone --- I got hooked on astronomy and space-sciences when I was 4 years old, and remain interested today!  That just isn't the field that our breakthrough technology is directly within, though indirectly it probably advances the day when we can move into outer space by more than any other development.

I wish someone without scientific, engineering and technological skills but with an interest in liberty, individualism and "really seriously getting all the way out of dodge" (into self-sufficient habitats and spacecraft in outer space) would set up some kind of organization to front for those technical collaborations who could benefit.  The most viable of these collaborations are so focused upon their science, engineering and technologies, that they don't spend time trying to impress anyone, or get donations.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 01:51 | 4607208 sangell
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I have no idea what the future holds for China or the US. Russia though has made some choices that ignore its real situation. Like Japan , it is in decline but unlike Japan it has no powerful friend to help it decline gracefully. Putin seems to have forgotten about the existential threat posed to all he holds dear by the recrudescent Islamism on his southern flank so he can try and refight the war the USSR lost. China looks out on a Pacific Ocean its main rival controls. From Vietnam to South Korea the US Navy is welcome while the Chinese Navy is not. Its cities lie but an hour or two away from US sea and air power while the American mainland lies years away from Chinese power. OTOH, it seems to produce more competent leadership than the US. I would suggest China's making mountains out of tiny ocean rocks is a big mistake. Bullying Vietnam and the Philippines over tiny, inconsequential islands is foolish. Did China forcing Taiwan from Quemoy and Matsu bend the people of Taiwan to Beijings will? Maybe the Chinese should read the fable of the sun and the wind where the wind bet the sun it could take the coat from a man walking down a road. The harder the wind blew the tighter the man clung to his coat. When the sun beamed down upon the man he relaxed and took his coat off.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 02:10 | 4607219 AlaricBalth
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Liberty is not having to cover my smart phone camera when I want to share an intimate evening with someone. Liberty is being able to go to a political meeting without worrying about the IRS targeting me for an audit. Liberty is publicly protesting injustice without a pepper spray shower from "peace officers".

The dictionary says liberty is "the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views."

Technically, the government does not statutorily restrict us from protesting, attending meetings and other personal or public activities. However there are other ways to oppress behaviors and political views. Intimidation and fear of repercussion are effective modes of persuasion which are widely utilized by governments to mold or suppress certain activities which are not deemed in the best interest of the state. This allows the government to breech the spirit of the Constitution while abiding by the letter of it.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 02:43 | 4607236 sangell
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Actually and realistically, the only thing that has changed is the cost of such data collection. Back when Barbara Boxer first ran for Congress ( after running for every other local elective office in Marin County) I took a friend of mine and introduced him to the dark side of politics. His job was to gather every license plate that went to her fundraiser with particular attention to those vehicles which bore state and county tags that said for 'official use only'.

There have never been any limitations on political intelligence gathering. Just who and how the intelligence is gathered. Prohibiting the government from gathering it does not limit the political parties that run the government from gathering it. Do you not think that 'American Patriots' in 1776 did not compile lists of where one stood on the issue of the British monarchy. Of course they did. That is why many loyalists had to leave after the victory at Yorktown by General Washington.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 03:39 | 4607263 honestann
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The dictionary says liberty is, "the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views."

NO.  NO.  1000 * 1000 * NO.

If you accept that definition (promoted by the predators-that-be and their apologists), you accept 100% tyranny.

A definition closer to valid would be, "the state of being free from restrictions on one's life, behavior or property".

Liberty has NOTHING to do with "government" or "authority", because BOTH are fictions, and BOTH are inherently ANTI-LIBERTY.

Stop accepting the notion that "liberty" is a type of slavery.  The only possible legitimate meaning of liberty is FREEDOM from slavery... ALL forms of slavery, by ALL entities (including predators-DBA-government, predators-DBA-corporation, predators-DBA-NGOs, predators-DBA-banks, and every individual [human] predator).

To believe that the constitution has any legitimate impact on anyone is to accept that any pack of 2 or 3 dozen human predators can smear ink on paper, and somehow obligate and control millions if not billions of human beings who are NOT INVOLVED in their schemes, and in this specific case, even for hundreds [or thousands] of years after ALL the signators die.  Please, give us a break, and understand how completely flaming insane any such belief or assumption necessarily is.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 09:13 | 4607482 Brit_Abroad
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Spot on

I can't believe you got down votes for this

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 04:20 | 4609914 honestann
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The original formulation allows the fictional authorities to decide how much imposition on our lives is "oppressive".  So what?  Every abuse just a tad short of "oppressive" constitutes "liberty"?  Seriously?  Not to mention that the concept "authority" is total fiction.

Note how these clever predators tweak definitions just a little to completely eliminate the possibility of a concept that means "liberty" --- by converting the meaning of "liberty" into something that means "abuse up to but not including whatever the authorities deem oppressive".

Since every so-called "authority" always deems everything he does as "not oppressive" by definition, accepting these fake definitions eliminates the possibility of even thinking about liberty.  Since humans think with concepts, that's what happens when the meanings of concepts and ideas are co-opted and reformulated as their opposites.

Yeah, you really do need to wonder how anyone can vote against their own liberty.  Sheesh!

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 02:32 | 4607232 Againstthelie
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U.S. is a realist with ideals

Hm, what ideals do Plutocrats have?

 

It seems the author is part of the problem, the world has...

 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 04:33 | 4607284 Dr. Bonzo
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+1

Note: there's a script error that prevents voting on a post if the first character of a post is italics.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 05:01 | 4607291 john.smith
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I feel this article like many others is simply trying to ascribe a personal reason to Putin annexing Crimea ("He wants to rule forever etc..."), but that seems far too naive. Just consider the situation from the perspective of Russian interests: You have a US that appears determined to make all the countries around Russia "Pro-US" to the detriment of Russia, and furthermore the US wants to eventually place a sophisticated missle system that is obviously aimed at containing Russian military capabilities (regardless of what the US says). From the point of view, it becomes clear that Russia had no choice but to act. Taking Crimea was only the first phase, I suspect at some point Russia will annex Eastern Ukraine as well while make Western Ukraine very weak and lost, just because they have to to secure their borders. Otherwise, the Russians will eventually be encircled by the West. Despite the fact there are some Chinese who have reservations about Russia or who like working with the West moreso than Russia, I am sure many decision makers in China can see the parallels between the situation facing Russia and their own country (with US bases in so many of China's neighbors and the US trying to shift more military precense to that area to contain China). Although China maybe reluctant to do so, I have a hard time imagining they would just leave Russia alone, since they may be forced to act next.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 05:08 | 4607295 besnook
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this reads like a recruiting post for the new american century, the wrong side of the 21st century.

 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 05:49 | 4607318 beaglebog
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If the good Lord didn't mean me to "sit on the fence" ... he wouldn't have provided me with a crack in my arse.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 05:56 | 4607323 negative rates
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Not to mention that crack in the brain too.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 06:15 | 4607335 falak pema
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China plays GO and Putin plays Chess; winner take all in check mate! 

Whence the cultural divide between East and West.

The West likes to cut the Gordian knot to find resolution. 

The East likes to let it lie in some ashram as sign of Man's eternal problem. 

'Having' and 'Being' are two faces of the same conundrum. 

Cog Dis is very oriental in his thinking here on ZH. 

Whereas WB7 is more western : Chop off their f****** heads; all these bankstas and crony baloneys! 

TDs regale us with their financial/geopolitical analysis/commentary and despair us with their Miserly songs of gold buggery.

All the while the FED fights to defend the Geenback AT ANY COST. 

TO each his own! 

I'D LOVE TO TELL YOU HOW THIS MOVIE PLAYS OUT, IF I WERE CASSANDRA'S SON.

(I'm sure the Google guys think they know ALL  the answers to the world's future in their new, hi-tech, groovy Bohemian Cove out in California)

But I'm just a lonely camel on a mad run from salt pillar to sweet and sour post, on this crazy cloud, this Magma of human dreams we call the NET.

Some Pastafarian spaghetti bowl ! 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 07:11 | 4607366 messystateofaffairs
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The USA has become a hypocritical virus developed by some mad satanically inspired "scientists" who think they work for G_d. Russia has no choice but to defend itself and is fortunate to have Putin at this time. In fact we all are fortunate to have a force that provides some containment to the plague the US and its masters have become.

The author of this article is either a NWO shill or naive and uninformed.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:35 | 4607441 tony wilson
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THE ISRAELI TWIN

Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in storage in Tel Aviv?   

 Boeing 777 2H6(ER) first flown in July 1998, Construction No. 28416* (Original Reg. No. 9M-MRI), an identical twin of the missing plane, which was given a new registration number (N105GT) and flown to Israel in November 2013.

 

 

http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14613

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:36 | 4607443 AnAnonymous
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The constance in 'american' standards.

This 'american' article contains some of the pearls 'americans' are able to deliver.

Diplomacy comes in two flavours: realism (utilitarianism) and idealism.

With 'americans', always the same way: it starts with a big thick lie to part between those who are with them or those who are against them. The means to discriminate between being that only those who are with them could turn their eyes to the big, thick lie.

Right from the start, this 'american' author pushes in bracket what he means for realism, that is utilitarianism. Wonderful. So he doesnt mean actually realism for 'americanism', many things are not supposed to be real, only a few, the mass of unreal things coming to cover for what is real.
'Americanism' is a gigantic masquerade.

Better, immediately after, that 'american' propagandist provides his own definition of idealism (led by ideology and philosophy)

Increase on that: utilitarianism is itself an ideology. So it is included into idealism.

Written again: in diplomacy, two ways: idealism and idealism.

Only 'americans' to deliver such pearls.

Another guy who think he deserves every cent he makes. For this is the way 'americans' feel about themselves.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:49 | 4607460 blindman
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put the nouns in perspective and differentiate
their muddied faces from your potential to do
what you know to be the right thing.
questions: what, if anything, precludes a representative
form of government from totally embracing fascism?
.
is the tyranny of the few better than the tyranny of
the many?
.
is the potential and tyranny of complexity better than
the potential and tyranny of simplicity?
.
is there some fine balance of
the right amount of quality and quantity? a "golden" rule
to which people can adhere?
.
why was the constitution referred to as "just a piece of paper"?
.
the noun "person", does it really need to be muddied up to
the point where it has no significance regarding the rights
of the individual at peace with him/herself?
.
federal law vs common law, are they compatible in spirit
or word?
..

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 09:50 | 4607527 intotheblack
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" Why does Putin want to “say no”? It’s because the West has no respect for him. "--what is this goofball talking about? Remember the so-called "reset button" or Obama pleading with Putin over a hot mic that he would have "more flexibility after the election?" Remember Obama unilaterally and without asking for anything in exchange dismantling Bush-era anti-missile batteries in Eastern Europe? All Putin ever got was respect as well as credit for progressive policies he never, ever pursued.

Western elites assume with grim consistency that everyone either shares their values or is either stupid or acts in bad faith. 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 11:25 | 4607671 Vin
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"The U.S. adores liberty and democracy while China worships the idea of a socialist democracy with Chinese characteristics."

What America do you live in?  The Lyin' King's America is no different than any fascist state in its early formation.....gestapo (DHS), constant surveillance (NSA), media control (mainstream media), tyranical control of govt (Obama makes his own laws), monetary control (The Fed), laws permitting arrest and murder of political opponents (Patriot Act and addendums), and disarming of the public (current gun-grabbing campaign).

Welcome to the new Amerika.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 18:04 | 4608578 thurstjo63
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Yang is oblivious to much of what is happening. First, there is little upside to partnering with the US. What nation on the planet can say that they have a win win relationship with the US? What would be the first thing the US would try to do? It would look to force up the Renminbi in relation to the dollar and get China to bail them out as much as possible. But when the US has over $100 trillion dollar debts, what benefit could China derive from partnering with the US. It's like partnering with a girl with venerial disease. Nothing good can come out of it. I'm sure that 2000 years ago, one said the same thing about Rome. But I guess basic economics is not Yang's strong point because if you cannot print money to maintain basic infrastructure as well as the military, the majority will either need to be sold off or melted down. The money it takes to maintain the military infrastructure is huge. It's presently for the most part, off budget. When you cannot print money and need to for those expenditures to be backup with taxes or credit, as most of the countries in europe as well as many in south american can attest to, it's alot more difficult when your currency is no longer the reserve currency. 

As for Russia, if one isn't as nieve as Yang to believe the kool-aid from the western media, then one can understand that Russia has genuine interests in protecting its border. It won't matter if it's Putin or someone else. If the russian politician is unable to show he or she is capable of standing up to the west, in most cases, they won't remain in power.

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