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Meanwhile, Tens Of Thousands Of Russian Troops Continue Piling Up At Ukraine's Borders - The Full Update
With Russia continuing to diplomatically assure the world that no invasion is pending, and rather comically asking for President Obama's benevolent aid in policing the treatment of Russians in non-Crimean Ukraine; it seems from all actions (as opposed to words) that Putin is pressing ahead with building his forces (up to 60,000) around the divided nation and as Dmitry Tymchuk notes, planning for invasion from Chernihiv to Donetsk. Internal politics continue to roil as Klitschko pulls out of the Presidential election (just as the US wanted) but we suspect the Ukrainians will be confused to discover their USA saviors have been spying on the future Premier Tymoshenko for years. The people of Ukraine are likely a little upset at We are sure Kerry and Lavrov will have plenty to discuss tomorrow in Paris and perhaps the following map will be a good starting point.
*KERRY, LAVROV TO MEET IN PARIS TOMORROW, INTERFAX SAYS
Kerry canceled plans to return to the United States from Saudi Arabia on Saturday and instead was headed to Paris for a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Sunday evening, Psaki said from a refueling stop here. The goal is to reach agreement on what happens next over Ukraine, following up on a phone call Friday between Russian President Vladimir Putin and President Obama.
Klitschko pulls out of Presidential election...
Leading Ukrainian politician Vitaly Klitschko has pulled out of presidential elections planned in May.
The former boxing world champion said instead he would back tycoon Petro Poroshenko.
Both men played a key role in months of street protests that led to the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych.
Mr Klitschko's withdrawal means the race is likely to be between Mr Poroshenko and former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.
Which is exactly what the US had been hoping for (judging by Victoria Nuland's conversation). However, as Spiegel reports, the Ukrainians may look on their bailout-funding corruption-beating saviors - The USA - a little differently when they find out the NSA has been spying on Tymoshenko for years...
But it is the troop build up that is creating the most anxiety around the world...
As Dmitry Tymchuk - a widely read Ukrainian so clearly he has his own bias but is instrumental in understanding the Ukraine perspective which currently the most irrational and thus unpredictable, explains on his blog, there is "good news and bad news."
The bad news:
1. The Russian military forces accumulated at our borders are increasing in number, due to the arrival of new units and detachments to the Bryansk oblast [region] of the Russian Federation. Earlier, we saw a build-up of troops in Rostov oblast, while the numbers were considerably lower in the north.
This means that Putin is preparing an invasion across our whole “eastern front” – from Chernihiv to Donetsk.
The interesting thing is, on March 23, international observers carried out a survey flight over the borderland areas of the Russian Federation. At that time, Moscow pulled some of its troops in Rostov oblast back from the border; while in Bryansk oblast, there weren’t that many to begin with. As soon as the inspectors left, the troops crawled back to the border, like cockroaches with the lights out. In short, one would have to be a complete sucker to trust the Kremlin.
The only encouraging detail is the fact that by now, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have successfully regrouped. Our border guards keep the border under strict control, while our intelligence services are actively neutralizing Russia’s “fifth column” in our eastern oblasts. All of these things can serve to seriously meddle with the Kremlin’s plans.
2. Ukraine, essentially, has no Navy. Earlier today, we presented a full breakdown of the situation: 10 ships are flying the Ukrainian flag, and 51 have been captured by the occupiers.
The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense is currently negotiating to reclaim at least some of the property stolen by the aggressor. But we know how this works – if Putin says “I didn’t take it,” he’s not going to give it back. Nevertheless, we have to try, at least to make ourselves look better.
The good news:
1. Aggression against Ukraine is already becoming too costly for Russia. The outflow of capital from the Russian Federation has reached USD 70 billion, since the beginning of this year. Today, the World Bank announced a forecast (as reported by the Wall Street Journal): if Putin continues to escalate the situation, Russian GDP will drop by 1.8% in 2014. Compared to the 1.3% growth in the previous year, that’s quite a difference.
Today, the President of the EU Council [Herman] van Rompuy, the US President [Barack] Obama and the President of the European Commission [José Manuel] Barroso made a solemn vow: if Putin continues messing about, the EU and the US are prepared to unleash the full extent of sanctions.
It’s obvious that getting through that nut’s [Putin's] thick skull is not an easy task. But noticeable [financial] losses are definitely a good sign. Let’s see which force is stronger in the Kremlin – aggression or greed.
2. As I was writing this, reports came in that six of our commanding officers, previously kidnapped in Crimea by terrorists calling themselves “Russian military,” have been set free. Today, they are heading to Henichesk through Chonhar, and from there, to Kyiv.
I can only breathe with relief. Our heroes are free – and that is excellent.
I’m not a vicious person myself. But I’d like to wish, from the bottom of my heart, that our Russian friends find themselves on the receiving end of the same low and despicable treatment that they’ve been giving our servicemen in Crimea this whole time. Let them drink that in full and choke on it.
3. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will conduct ”Spring Rain” military exercises in Kharkiv oblast.
The military, and the political importance of military exercises, in eastern Ukraine cannot be overestimated right now. Our army – slowly and gradually, with moans and groans, with exploding tanks and crashing planes – is waking up from its 20-year-long lethargy. For the first time since the years of Ukrainian independence, it [the army] is starting to understand why it even exists. The same can be said for our entire country.
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BN *KERRY, LAVROV TO MEET IN PARIS TOMORROW, INTERFAX SAYS
WSJ: Some U.S. officials, skeptical of Mr. Putin's approach, believe the buildup of forces on the border with Ukraine will give the Russian leader the option of launching another operation if he isn't satisfied with the outcome of this diplomatic initiative.
Yes, Bagration
< Russia will invade
< Russia will allow the Ukraine to self destruct
Well Dmitry... Let's not forget that the Ukrainian Navy was rendered useless when the Russians sank a couple of ships at the harbor entrance.
The Ukrainians should be on alert that Russians will incapacitate the Ukrainian Army (prior to the MSM predicted invasion) by having their hidden assets park some old trucks in front of the gates of the Ukrainian Army bases.
So Dmitry Dumfuk served in Iraq, Lebanon and Kosovo.
Hey! Guess what Dmitry, Ukraine is going to enjoy all the fun and games the US has brought to dozens of other countries.
Ukraine is the new Iraq. I hope.
Could be worse... the bankers are setting the Ukraine up to become the new Ireland...
Regardless of politics or who instigated what, out beyond all those issues is this:
It costs one helluva lot of money to keep 100,000 troops away from their home posts. Supply lines have to be created, sewage hauled away, ammo shipped, maybe even TDY pay.
Decisions are going to be forced. Soon.
I suspect the current Ukranian leadership to invite NATO in any time...
Absolutely! Plus all those free arms CONgress just revealed Criminal Obama armed Russia with.
Boys & girls at the highest Compartmentalized levels of Criminal Global Govenments & Criminal Espionage CORP. INC. they're all "in on it."
The worlds a stage with really criminal, bad actors on it.
Putin's techniques with Obama remind me a lot of this scene in Mars Attacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUrAMxmO_A
How many troops has the US kept overseas for how many decades?
They have been overseas for so long that residency requirements no longer qualify them as US troops...
About 67 k. 40k of which are in Germany the rest in England and Italy mostly
There is more than 67K just in Europe.
Putin recently paid $50 billion for a bunch of games. I reckon he can afford to keep some troops deployed for a while.
Is it possible that ZH could find a more biased azz hat than the author of this screed?
Hey, if enough neo cons want a war badly enough there is no way to stop them short of throwing them in the crossbar hotel. They have already spent $5 billion stirring up the Ukraine, shot some cops and citizens, put neo nazis in charge of the place, said that 'the EU can go fuck itself', lied about everything thats happened there, etc.
Too bad that after a nuke exchange there won't be enough people left to conduct war crimes trials.
Gotta find that damn shovel and get to digging... or find a for certain ground zero target.
I agree, it isn't hurting him and this article was biased as hell. He's massing those troops on the east and to the south to cut reduce the west of the Ukraine to a few areas and give the east of the country over 2/3 of the country. That way the west is landlocked and have to essentially be supported forever by the west until Putin decides to crush it.
But, but, Obama said that's "so 19th century" to act "from Weakness".
DIE PANZER VORWÄRTS!
Why would you wish that on the Ukrainians? Seems like a real dick move.
soldiers are still fairly expensive (compared with, e.g., drones and autonomous deathbots)
it is important to keep them persuaded that your currency has value, and that they will receive a pension if they prevail
That could be a very tough propaganda job.
After all... the Ukrainian currency is crashing and half of everybodies pension check will soon be sent to the European banksters...
Dunno, SafelyGraze - soldiers must be pretty cheap if they are piling up on the borders. There will be some type of clearance sale soon.
Most people don't realize the hype behind drones. First, they require someone to fly the drone inside an expensive electronic box. Second, drones crash at a higher rate than manned aircraft. Third, they are easy targets for AAA missiles. In the end, drones make good surveillance tools and little more.
As long as the currency will cover hookers and booze the soldiers will stick around... speaking humbly, from experience.
Soldiers who survive to retire cost more than dead ones.
FYI, here's what Lavrov just said concerning a possible invasion of Ukraine. It's different than the headline at Yahoo which stated, "Russia vows no Ukraine invasion as diplomacy intensifies".
Q: By the way, Yatsenyuk says he is not considering this option at this point.
Lavrov: “At this point.” We are convinced there can be no ambiguity on this issue. There are too many of those caveats – “at this point” and “no intention.” Intentions can change, and you end up facing new facts on the ground...
Q: Almost all the statements regarding sanctions, including those made by the EU and the US official political institutions, contain the phrase “further escalation.” By “further escalation” my Western colleagues mean that Russian military forces may cross the borders of the mainland Ukraine and move toward Kharkov, for example. Will this happen or not?
Lavrov: President of Russia Vladimir Putin in his address given on March 18 in the Georgievsky Hall said clearly that we are very concerned with the situation with Russians and Russian speakers in eastern and southern Ukraine, especially after various Right Sector groups, a certain Beletsky and the Eastern Front rushed there. Those are absolutely odious people. You don’t need to be a physiognomist to be able to tell what their intentions are. They speak openly about that. Many leaked phone calls indicate how Russians will be treated in Ukraine not just by the Right Sector members.
The Russian president demanded that Ukrainian authorities and their Western patrons take immediate action to stop the violence. He said we are going to protect the rights of Russians and Russian speakers in Ukraine using all the political, diplomatic and legal methods. I have nothing to add to that.
We need to be honest. You cannot just say like many times before – regarding Syria, Iran, etc. – that we have come to a crisis and that we just need to accept the reality. Russia is to settle the Syrian crisis, to solve the Iranian problem and to resolve the situation in Ukraine through direct talks with the Ukrainian authorities. The West is consistently trying to avoid the responsibility of dealing with those whom they nurtured and continue to support for their geopolitical purposes.
We have absolutely no intentions of crossing Ukrainian borders. This is not in our interests. We simply want everybody to work together; we want the violence to stop and we want the Western countries who are trying to sweep under the rug those cases of violence and to portray the situation in Ukraine in a positive light to realize they need to bear the responsibility...
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Taking lessons from Kerry and Obama on how to contradict oneself?
Perhaps it hasn't occurred to most people that those Russian forces are there to keep the Ukrainian rabble rousers contained in Ukraine. Time is on Putin's side. Once the IMF starts applying the screws (literally and figuratively!), Ukraine is gonna revolt once more!
You need a third response: Russia will invade after Ukraine extracts $27 billion from the IMF (USA mostly)and transfers it to Russia (and $2 billion to China)to pay past due bills.
Kiev won't pay. They hope for the oil and gas reserves from the US. Oh, and a full bailout of course.
but Kunstler said they can't afford this!
PEAK OIL = PEAK STUPIDITY
Kuntfukr keep the florid essays for the tuberz....
Define afford.
What they cannot afford is NATO sitting on their borders. Ya know, like Reagan assured Gorby that NATO would NEVER move East. LOL
Define "NEVER". -Kirk.
"Define 'IS' " - Bill Clinton
Kunstler also ranted that Y2K would end civilization as we know it... Hell, he even wrote a book about it.
exactly. Kunstler is a moron.
Kerry has to meet Lavrov in Paris for a face-to-face talk because old horseface doesn't trust using the phone, knowing that the NSA will be listening in.
For those of who haven't seen this clip it's older but still a classic response to an assinine reporter. The look on the reporters face is priceless enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ux3oiWELIQ
Quick! Get the State Department on the phone! We need more hashtags!
http://nypost.com/2014/03/28/uproar-over-dcs-jokey-selfie-support-for-uk...
The farce of the Ukraine situation is utterly exposed by the fact that the US and Russia are meeting on it but there aren't going to be any Ukrainians. Russia and the West need to stay out - without Russia and the West there would be no tensions or fears of conflict.
Ukraine for Ukrainians and only Ukrainians.
For the first time since the years of Ukrainian independence, it [the army] is starting to understand why it even exists. The same can be said for our entire country.
Who writes this shit? More mainstream Zio media. Why are the Tylers posting this crap.
The only reason why the poor people of The Ukraine will exist now is for the banksters and IMF to make them debt slaves.
Do the Ukes have any army groups? Hope none of them are designated as Army Group Centre.
EU’s Ashton denounces nationalists’ pressure on Ukraine parliamentThe lawless actions of Ukraine's nationalists have finally caught attention of the intl community, with EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton denouncing Right Sector for its ‘pressure’ and ‘undemocratic’ demand of the interior minister’s resignation.
A day after neo-Nazi activists who helped bring the acting government in Kiev to power turned against it, Ashton has issued a statement condemning the “pressure by activists of the Right Sector who have surrounded the building of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.”
This “intimidation” the EU foreign policy chief believes, stands against all “democratic principles and rule of law,” as Ashton called on the ultra-right group “to refrain from the use or threat of violence.”
Ashton stressed the need to “hand over any unauthorised arms to the authorities immediately.”
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-right-sector-condemned-997/
In other news, Voltairenet tears into Obama's speech on Ukraine:
“Russia’s leadership is challenging truths that only a few weeks ago seemed self-evident, that in the 21st century, the borders of Europe cannot be redrawn with force, that international law matters, that people and nations can make their own decisions about their future.” – as Vladimir Putin said last week, “it is good that they eventually recalled that there is such thing as international law”. Taking into account Kosovo adventure, unlawful ousting and assassination of Muammar Qaddafi, and the result of the referendum in Crimea (96+% for reunification with Russia), Obama’s statement is just beyond absurdity;
http://www.voltairenet.org/article183032.html
@JustObserving,
Ashton wasn't worried about any unauthorised weapons when the EU and US sponsored rent-a-mob were ousting a democratically elected president.
I may be persuaded to give her the benefit of the doubt if I could be convinced that she doesn't really know what she is doing other than fronting those hell bent on setting the world on fire.
After all, she only got the bloody job because she's a "friend of Tony- war criminal-Blair.
Wow, it's as if someone has stolen all the mirrors in Brussels.
ahhh good ol Belgium... now the largest purchaser of US Treasuries.
REMEMBER KUWAIT.
GHW Bush let Saddam pile up troops and tanks along the Kuwait border, and "played dub" (Possum!).
Then, when Saddam went for the "Sucker" play (threw the first punch, having been provoked long enough to do so), Bush had ALL the pretext he needed. The rest, as you (hopefully) know, is history.
Classic US game of Provocation into the First Punch.
...Russia is not Iraq
biggest ever tested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMYYEsKvHvk
And what did we get out of that ?
For starters, you've got to pay $4 for a gallon of gas...
/s
REMEMBER KUWAIT
What is uncommon knowledge is the critical role played by April Glaspie, US ambassador to Iraq in Saddam's invasion of Kuwait:
Glaspie had given Saddam a green light
The Iraqi Government still insists that April Glaspie met with Saddam Hussein in 1990 before his invasion of Kuwait. Glaspie "...was informed of Iraq's plans and gave her de facto approval." America and April Glaspie flatly deny this accusation: "Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait. -- Former Ambassador April Glaspie, in response to accusations that the U.S. invited Saddam Hussein to take Kuwait" 4
In a May 27, 1999 Christian Science Monitor article, Carleton Cole writes, "...from a translation of Iraq's transcript of the meeting, released that September, press and pundits concluded that Ms. Glaspie had (in effect) given Saddam a green light to invade."
"We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts," the transcript reports Glaspie saying, "...such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary [of State James] Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction...that Kuwait is not associated with America."
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/neocons.html
Good point. Glaspie was an "Arabist" well-versed in the Middle East who spoke the language.
And while she was saying "we have no opinion on inter-Arab disputes " the U.S. had satellite pictures showing the Iraqi troop buildup on Kuwait's border.
She knew exactly what she was saying.
Saddam thought he did too. psyche!
Remember (pre-Pearl Harbor) Japan.
For some reason, your Up arrow would not work. Consider yourself getting... +41.
Remember when US funded Iraq to oppose Russia, and it used the resources to invade Kuwait instead?
Remember when we funded Bin Laden to oppose Russia and he used it to attack the US?
Ahhh Mr Timchuck, look out for the boogeyman, he's hiding in your closet and gonna get ya..
Kyiv Post is terrible.
Yeah it is.
I took a crack at armchair ZH editing by emailing Tyler and Dmirty Orlov about an Orlov guest post and it never went anywhere.
Orlov was game.
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/
da also Vineyard of Saker and Matt Rodina Stanislav Mishin...learn new pespectives...
Can't say I blame the Ruskies, who in the hell would want your "enemy's" stinking missiles on your border. Remember the 1962 Cuba missile "crisis"?>
I've been thinking the same thing for weeks...
US had installed missle in turkie aimed at Russia first...did you know this?
Also had 8" nuke howitzers in the hills of Turkey and Iran once upon a time.
Ukrainian thugs killing and raping Russian speaking population of Eastern Ukraine.
Save us VP.
Royters:
"Bath House to Air-Drop Two Battalions of Community Organizers Into Ukraine."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwwuZr6H1LQ
HERE THEY COME
On brink of ‘biggest war since 1945’?
“By the end of the weekend, Europe’s biggest war since 1945 will have begun or Putin will have started to send the troops on the border home,” declared Professor of the Naval War College at Boston University, John Schindler.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/a-rapid-russian-buildup-of-tanks-and-troops-with-tough-talk-from-president-vladimir-putin-raises-fears-war-with-ukraine-could-be-imminent/story-fni0xs61-1226867240935
Check out the film of the Russian convoy...
Lavrov:
http://rt.com/news/lavrov-interview-ukraine-russia-065/
"Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'
Though they're disapprovin',Keep movin', movin', movin',
Keep them doggies movin' Rawhide!"
Schindler? sorry war mongering...2 day will be past soon.
I could pick that apart one by one, but not worth it...who made this time waster "War Expert"????
Just a war update...not my opinion on the matter...
“By the end of the weekend..."
nonsense...another clueless asswipe.
If Europe is to make Russia suffer the gold price, Putin will make Europe suffer the iron price.
Except, this isn't about the Ukraine.
Exactly...
Ah! Russia has offered Ukraine and NATO free overflight rights for one time security flights to map Russian troop positions. Why does the west refuse to accept the offer? Also, All of Russia's military is defensively placed inside it's borders, unlike NATO. So how do you have your army at home and not have it near your borders, where else does it go to? An army in the middle of nowhere is no fucking good if you are defending your homeland. I find the above article stupid and heavily tainted with the stink of the US State Department and NATO General Headquarters. Western Media never mentions the death of Right Sector leader at the hands of Western Death Squads. Never mention the Right Secto'sr attempt to storm the Rada and demands for the security chief to step down. No mention of thug squads bussed east to Russian Ukraine to kidnap people not bowing down to NATO thugs criminal cunts.
You know, the more I study the Ukraine issue, the more western lies stand out, the more the western media is exposed as cunt liars who take their news from the Washington nest of Zionist war mongers. Bankers and Israel carry more weight in the Washington Whorehouse than all the American voters combined. Yet, we accept this as their right to rule us, their god given superiority to spend our tax money on zio projects and to get our service menbers killed in Israeli wars. How much longer people? How much longer do you accept the rule of these insane greedy non Americans?? Oh, no I told the truth! DOwn arrow me and compare me to Hitler, after all, the rulers of America are the chosen ones, and nothing bad may be said of them, while we can trash average Americans as racists and inferior stock. Piss on Washington and their whores.
"War is when your government tells you who the enemy is - Revolution is when you figure it out for yourself."
"War is a rackett." - USMC General Smedley Butler (Two Time Winner of the Medal of Honor)
Spot on!
Russian aggression weakens Israel's hold on the US.
Go Putin, go, go, go!!!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting though, like China, Israel chose not to back the UN resolution on Crimea.
+1000!!!
Jack even the jewz are not buying this bullshit:
"Former heavyweight boxing champion Vitali Klitschko has pulled out of the presidential race, giving his backing to Petro Poroshenko - a businessman and former foreign minister."
Only thugs in this game.
You really think America is at war in the ME because of a love for Israel? It's all over defense of the fiat Dollar.
Iraq (Saddam wanted to trade oil in Euros), Syria (Gaddafi wanted a gold backed Dinar),etc....
In the Ukraine it's the IMF wanting economic control over the country and it's wheat production. The elite want to enslave the world by controlling the food source.
The new bubble is food. Let's see what happens.
Amen, JB.
How many ukrainian troops have amassed at the border? None i guess untill cia fast and furious's some weapons over there.
It doesn't really matter how many troops Ukrainians have, in any case we can defeat them. But what really matters is that Ukraine itself is not Russian Crimea, this time even anti-Western Ukrainians who don't want the EU or NATO will consider it a matter of principles to fight. And it doesn't matter if 1 thousand or 10 thousands of Ukrainians die during our advance - it will unite most of Ukrainians against Russia for decades, will bring it into NATO and destroy any ties we have. So Russia has 2 options - either to stop any attempts to influence the situation accepting the damage to our interests in Ukraine as it is with moderate international consequences, or to invade to change present pro-Western regime in Ukraine, if we accept heavy international consequences. I doubt Putin is strong enough for this. It is a pity, but more evidence appears that he is surrendering. Just yesterday he gave back all weapons we took in Crimea, including navy and aircraft. It discourage Russians in Ukraine. They feel betrayed. What for to do it if we plan to invade Ukraine? To make them kill more our soldiers?
What I heard was giving some back, mostly old and obsolete...
I am told now most Ukr. stuff was had been ignored, unmaintained or badly maintained and lack replacement parts.
That would make more a burden, than asset...unless it was all that was available.
AK-47s, while being good weapons, cannot shoot down MIGs, nor can they penetrate tank armor. NATO might wanna sow the wind, BUT they ARE gonna REAP the whirlwind!
Dmitry Tymchuk is much too optimistic.
The "Spring Rain" Ukranian military exercises will likely become "Spring Pain".
They will get their Tanks and APC's over on the Eastern border and out in the open so the Russians can knock them out and roll in; it would be over fairly quickly.
He's awfully upset about the Russians taking over the bases in Crimea, but doesn't seem to appreciate that Russia did it patiently and without shooting for the most part.
Klitschko is smart to pull out of the presidential race as whoever is "elected" will likely be gone and seeking asylum within the year.
It's not the money, Dmitry, it's the Eastern border, the real estate, and the resources Russia doesn't want to lose.
I still don't understand the Ukranian desire to ebrace the E.U. Brussels Bandits and the Wall Street Warlocks; austerity, bail-in's, and corrupt politicians - out of the frying pan into the fire.
No way Russia is going to allow a neo-Nazi Svoboda putsch to bring NATO into Ukraine.
I'd bet the Nuland/Kerry plan of the American Imperialist's was to try and get Russia out of Crimea so they could ship in U.S. fracked NatGas to sell to Western Europe; justification for finishing the Keystone pipeline despite the protestation of their base voters and money for their handlers.
Nyet.
The Keystone has nothing to do with nat gas and frankly not much to do with Bakken oil. It's to move Canadian oil sands oil south to the Gulf. It is MOSTLY about Canadian oil.
And generate jobs building the pipes, which end when the pipe is done. It is 99% political and 1% functional.
Way too much flinging of Keystone this and Keystone that as the solution to anything having to do with nat gas or oil.
You are correct, but it would go like this:
"We need to complete the Keystone pipeline to ensure the energy independence of the U.S. and our European Allies. The situation in Ukraine puts an exclamation mark on why we need the pipeline and to continue fracking to ensure the success of fledgling democracies, jobs, and freedom."
Most Americans don't have the desire, ability, or awareness to tease out the subtleties and motivations behind the scenes; they'll be waving the flag shouting "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" while Chase Bank charges them $10/month to hold their money and 12% on the credit card while paying them 0.05% on savings, their healthcare costs 50% more, and their local Police departments are turned into S.S. Stormtrooper Units.
Well, much more of this is going on with permitting export of the imagined surplus of oil. The oil folks have congress lobbied for this and all it will do is increase prices to the US consumer and put money in oil pockets.
We import 7 million bpd. If we export 3 million bpd, then we will import 10 million bpd. We'll be importing it, some US middleman will add a few dollars a barrel to it, and ship it back out -- but that price increase will exist then as the norm in the US, which consumers will pay.
No doubt; with price increases right before the Summer and Fall/Winter holidays to boot!
I'd be perfectly willing to permit export of crude.
With the only proviso being that this can only take place when there is no import of crude whatsoever.
That is, never.
I believe it has been Putin's Cossacks and the Berkut (ETA: and ski-mask wearing "self-defense" forces of Crimia who may or may not be members of Cossack or Berkut regiments), not regular Russian army that has been doing the mistreating. There is a lot of disinformation going around right now and it is best to be very specific about exactly who the assholes are. For instance, I don't think Ukraine's neo-nazi elements speak for the whole of Ukraine.
Enough fucking foreplay. got to get to March Madness and Golfing . Get the games begin
The Ukrainian Navy needs to get in line behind the Marines who are waiting for Putin to give back their HUMVEEs and satellite radio gear. (another little adventure we had in Georgia...)
Also, if Mexico was going batshit we would have forces down there on our border too. (well at least we should)
Mexico is going batshit... And its because of our meddling
I thought you was a cool brotha?
This quarter im an italian stallion
The US got caught directly involving themselves (See Nuland F EU). Now it's time to pay the piper. With Ukraine under Russian control, this ends the meddlin! Solution Provided.
When this is all said and done, the US should learn to stay the hell outta people's business because you should never poke a bear with a stick.
This doesn't make sense,did Obummer really believe that the Russians wouldn't do what they have done ? I think it's either a distraction for Syria or the fools are going to start WW3.
It's pay back for Russia's interference with the US's plans for Syria
The PTB always said there were too many people on the planet for them to control properly. So, it's most likely WW3.
Get yer, Popcorn...Peanuts...Cracker Jacks... Stock up before the main event.
Yuk. I wanna a beer.
99% of ZH articles are pretty damn informative, often eye-opening, too.
But not this one. This "article" is a foul smear of dog crap stuck to the bottom of some fascist Ukrainian thug's boots.
Worth it for the informative reader comments though.
Give Crimea back to the Scythians and lets be done with it
"Russia was then and is today the largest untapped market in the world. Moreover, Russia then and now, constituted the greatest potential competitive threat to American industrial and financial supremacy. ...so the simplest explanation of our evidence is that a syndicate of Wall Street bankers enlarged their monopoloy ambitions and broadened their horizons on a global scale. The gigantic russian market was to be converted into a captive market and a techncal colony to be exploited by a few high powered American financieres and the corporations under their control"
by Antony sutton, "Wall Street and the bolshevik Revolution: The Remarkable True Story of the American Capitalist Who Finaced the Russian Revolution" published 1974
dup...
"The War on Gold" Antony Sutton
The Russians got to Sutton. That's why he drew the conclusions he did. He might have started out a patriot but he turned traitor. He might have been a communist all along. Who knows how it happened. Blackmail, coercion, threat of public humiliation for personal foibles. It doesn't matter. The bottom line is that they got to Sutton like they got to just about anybody they wanted. They got to them and they made them go to work for them. They turned them into traitors and they used them to influence the public in ways that would over time turn an entire civilization into a weapon to be used against itself. That's why you and the bulk of ZH are confused, conflicted, and contained. Far from presenting a threat to the enemies of this civilization, you now are a weapon in the Russian arsenal.
Wow, I just clicked on your name and it told me access denied. I clicked again was then allowed access to your profile, and your name had changed from a Russian-sounding one to its current iteration. Interesting.
Ya, Tyler has his own Lubyanka.
Your IP is known. You better quit your job and pack up your family and flee because he's coming for you.
The time is against Putin. We should have sent tanks to split Ukraine into 2 parts 2 weeks ago. Now it is late, Putin will not do anything.
TOTUS has himself screwed in between a rock and a hard place with the Ukraine situation. The American public has zero appetite for what's perceived as an regional conflict for territory that has deep seated roots for the Russians. To make matters even worse the U.S. and western Europe instigated the situation they find themselves in.
With the midterm elections coming up TOTUS getting involved militarily even indirectly will be political suicide for his blue team. I realize there aren't any sides in American politics anymore, but the weaker TOTUS is the better.
The article is just more anti-Russian bullshit . . . . .
"As Dmitry Tymchuk explains on his blog"
Dmitry Tymchuk has an astounding command of the English language.
You would almost think his piece was written by a Washington PR agency.
Nato's puppetmasters require saber-rattling:
3/26 House Armed Services Cmte: "Urgency and alarm" over Russian troop buildup & threat to Ukraine and Baltics. "Imperative" US bolster forces & posture in Europe.
3/25 Overnight: NATO Sec-General again warns Russia on buildup of forces along Ukraine border. Baltic states mobilizing military reserve units. Monitoring...
Guys,East Ukraine is done deal.They have been Russians for centuries.Now,there is question for,"Pridnestrovie",left border in Dnester river in Moldova,former soviet republic.How you can see on the map,closest point from Russia to Moldova goes thru south Ukraine/Odessa/whis is....russians from centuries.NATO senttoday some troops to depart in Cremea shore,to prevent russians going west.Watch the next clip,and put away all beverages,please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ6mv09iBZo
+1 Too funny. thank you for that.
Good one- last time I saw that clip, years ago, it was labeled something like "British Troops Acid Test." Must have been old LSD, they seem kind of shaky.
"World Bank forecasts" are as good as paper gold.
I'm sure the Russian's already fogot how the WB forecasted great prosperity for tthem when they "opened up to the west" in the 90s.
So could this conceivably be the reason behind Israel's shuttering it's embassies and consulates worldwide?... Europe is certainly boycotting the shit out of their "goods and services" much to the dismay of Israel and it's paramour the United States government.
And why ZH reported that most interesting soundbite from the Prez on his visit to the Netherlands that he was more concerned about a nuclear attack on Manhattan than what he and his handlers are doing to instigate a World War with Russia?
Looks like Israel and the U.S. have different agendas that are the same when it comes to anyone messing with there economies even when they are the ones that created the conditions for the "backlash" they are now enjoying!
Many people do not know about the Samson option and most who do believe it is based on Israel having its nukes aimed at Arab countries, mainly Iran. That is not the case, Israel has its nukes aimed at the US realizing that if the US gives up support for the Z iionist controlled Israel that the world may well turn on the worlds parasites and exterminate them for good.
The US has a dilemma. Israel has nothing to lose maintaining the threat, while literally enslaving all of the US and EU!!
That's going to be the world plan.....unfortunatly....
The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. Zech. 12:1-3
Palestinians doing Math
It is quite possible that NATO will invade Ukraine first - although they will try to make it look as though the Russians started it. The IMF deal, which imposes severity on Ukrainians in order to repay western banks, is likely to be (violently) opposed by Ukraine's Right Sector - possibly leading to civil war. NATO will step in to save its puppet government and Russia may respond accordingly.
Right. A Russian invasion and occupation of Crimea and a Russian mobilization on Ukraine's border indicates to you that NATO is going to invade Ukraine. Right.
Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?
Well when your psychotic, and become incapable of rational thought which turns to patterns of delusional and anxiety ridden behavior brought on by decades of increasingly poor choices your government makes in your name without consequence anything eventually becomes a possibility.
If you don't believe it listen to this guy. Does he sound concerned to you at what this cabal might be capable of doing if they don't maintain their "grip"?
And he will invade if they insist on pol action over those eastern cities.
If Putin was not there with those troops, the coup-established government of Kiev would be replacing all locally elected officials throughout Eastern Ukraine so that all local police forces and other sources of power could be completely controlled by Kiev.
If that were established, then Russian influence there would not only be diminished but it would lead to civil war. As it is, Russian troops are there as a reminder that this is Russia’s zone of influence and she will not tolerate the military removal of that influence.
Obviously the neocons, i.e., the neocommunists, and the bankers would like nothing better than to have Putin roll those troops in right now and they could make a full scale counterattack with NATO troops. But that’s not going to happen. Putin is waiting and if there’s a civil war, in he goes.
The people of Eastern Ukraine, where Russian is the dominant language, are suffering terribly because they have lost their influence with the anti-Russian government in Kiev, the same as American citizens have lost their influence with their anti-European-culture government in Washington, DC.
Blah blah blah blah. Why do you repeat Russian lies and propaganda?
This crisis could lead to war and it's important for all of us to deal in truth. The truth is, Russia's interests are not an enemy to the American people, but the interests of the international bankers are. I assume by your charge that you favor the destruction of free enterprise and the victory of debt slavery and international socialism.
"The basis of victory in war is to know your enemy and the basis of the conflict." --Sun Tzu, ancient Chinese general
The propaganda I am repeating is the propaganda of Thomas Jefferson.
Hello JR Jones,
I asked you why you repeat Russian lies and you replied with more Russian lies. Try again another time.
To HL Shancken:
You are greatly misinformed. I am an American living in Odessa, Ukraine and most of JR's comments are right on the mark!
May I suggest that you try a few non-mainstream media sources?????
JR's comment explains precisely how most of the people in Odessa, Ukraine feel (at least the ones to whom I have spoken in the last 2 months).
What many Americcans and Europeans forget is that a great many people in Ukraine possess firearms, especially rifles. It is allowed by law. Shooting is a HUGE sport here, as is hunting. If the Russian troops pulled back from the border and pro-Kiev troops moved into the south and/or east, there would be a TRUE civil war!!!
THAT is why the people here welcome the presence of the Russian troops - as a deterrant to aggression from Kiev.
I did NOT vote for Bush or Gore or Obama or McCain or Romney. I like Ron Paul, but thought if he ever got elected, he would soon be assassinated. I am ashamed of the U.S. government. I always try to remind people here that America (the people) are NOT the same as the U.S. government - that the former despise the latter! And the latter despise the former!!
John-Henry Hill, M.D.
http://JohnHenryHill.Wordpress.com
Given the option of fighting banksters or Russia...that's a no brainer. The banksters gots to go.
and they will remember that we fought for oil and gas bitchez
I have always been curious how do media reporters/Ukrainian bloggers know where and how many Russian troops are at the Russian/Ukrainian borders. I have seen reports by the Western Media who sited the number of troops given by Urkainian officials, but where do the officials get these numbers? Do they have someone cross the border to do the count?
It is fabricated. Like the 100,000, even 800,00 maidan lies...and the claimed huge Mockba protests of the past (big joke)....
It's called reconnaisance and it's as old as war itself. The information comes from everything from satellites to spies in the enemy camp. Reporters get troop size and placement information from military and government leakers and analysis done by various individuals.
Russians like the one above me would have you believe that there is no mobilization at all. You can believe the Russians if you like, but if you do, you'll be believing lies.
If refer to me..you assume too much and make false claim...
I never said there was no mobilization...but that most "reports" is total exagerations by know nothings...it is very easy to do that...like the exposed lies of that Anti Syria expert sitting in Loundon.
Provide your source where Russian deny mobilization.
You know nothing about this subject.
Watch the film...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/a-rapid-russian-buildup-of-tanks-and-troops-with-tough-talk-from-president-vladimir-putin-raises-fears-war-with-ukraine-could-be-imminent/story-fni0xs61-1226867240935
As long as the Russian troops remain in Russia, what is the problem? After all, it is NOT as if they are invading another sovereign country, such as Iraq or Afghanistan !!!????
There are VIDEOS on YouTube in which armed pro-coup paramilitary groups (thought to be "Blackwater" mercenaries - I forgot the firm's new name) were patrolling the streets in Donestsk.
As an American living in Odessa, Ukraine, I can assure you that the folks here are RELIEVED that the Russian troops are nearby! They do NOT want their cities and towns to become the "next Kiev" where neo-NAZIs rule the streets.
First off shout out to Fleetwood Mac and co on the upcoming tour this fall. Of course Stevie will still lead...but finally they got their "other girl" too.
If you people think war is tough you should try celebrity....let alone actually WANTING to be Janis Joplin.
What were we talking about?
Oh, yeah "White House takes on Russia...gets invaded...ratchets up the smack talk to vume 11."
Well..."like Stevie Nicks" I didn't see that coming either! Obviously Stevie and Co. are preferable...as are any number of artists at this point. Heck even an Andy Warhol looks good right about now.
I think only a complete idiot is feigning surprise that the Russians aren't going all in here. It ' snot everyday that your Secretary of State proclaims victory before even a defense has been laid out or planned.
And just as obviously President Putin is a nut for even thinking about doing this...let alone actually going through with it which he will do.
This might sound kinda weird but "the best solution is probably for the USA to attack" at this point. An invasion of Ukraine proper will mean war between the USA and Russia. "And Europe too."
Not saying this point blank to Putin et al...well, the whole thing is crazy. There is no off ramp...there never was. There is no negotiation...there never was. This thing is completely out of control.
Now let's talk music!
dv - if you've never heard/seen DEVO's "Beautiful World," it's time to catch up. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3MxuDk7wqo
We are not 1914. And also not 1939. Russia is going to invade Ukrain, no doubt about that. And the West is going to blahblah for their own stupidity. And the west better knocks off from this whole idiotic adventure. (again). Continue it will lead to the splitt of the EU, turning Germany to the East and dissolving the US-EU partnership. Bringing US to the "Splendid isolation".
Forget financial aid to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia. Give Ukraine a couple of nuke missile batterys and see if Putin wants to play chicken. There's some other countries in the region that also need arming.
Do the French know how to cook oats?
NATO not available to operate.... concept vs reality
Putin... reality
Obama ... hot air
I am an American (from Boston) who lives in Odessa, Ukraine.
First, most of the news coming out of Kiev is total nonsense! The people here know it.
Second, from talking with folks here, my impression is that the people here will NEVER accept the current Kiev post-coup government or any future government that results from Kiev-controlled elections. They view the Yatsenyuk government as puppets of the U.S. and EU. (Once the new IMF "austerity" measures kick in here, I expect massive anti-Kiev protests to result across the entirety of Ukraine.)
They did NOT like ex-President Yanukovitch, as he was viewed as corrupt. But at least he was elected and, many felt, would soon be out of power due to upcoming national elections. So, prior to the coup, the idea of ACTUALLY leaving Ukraine and becoming part of Russia was only a fanciful idea. However, out of genuine FEAR of the post-coup Kiev government, that idea is now seen as the ONLY viable alternative to the threat posed by the Kiev regime. As a major port city of the Black Sea, Odessa is not distinctly Russian or Ukrainian; rather, it is a highly eclectic mix of peoples from all over Europe, Asia and Africa, who have a great tolerance for each others' differences. The people with whom I have talked do NOT want to be under the thumb of Kiev and thereby the EU, the U.S. and the IMF. And given a choice, they would choose NOT to be a part of Russia, either! They prefer to be left alone - and in this I agree with them. But they do not think this is possible, so what other choices do they have besides Russia?
They do NOT wish to become the next Greece! Or worse! They will seek to join Russia out of a real FEAR of Kiev and the West.
- John-Henry Hill, M.D.
P.S. If you start a fight with a Russian, you had better kill him quickly; otherwise he will certainly kill you.