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Paul Craig Roberts: Pushing Toward The Final War

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Authored by Paul Craig Roberts via his blog,

Does Obama realize that he is leading the US and its puppet states to war with Russia and China, or is Obama being manipulated into this disaster by his neoconservative speech writers and government officials? World War 1 (and World War 2) was the result of the ambitions and mistakes of a very small number of people. Only one head of state was actually involved–the President of France.

In The genesis Of The World War, Harry Elmer Barnes shows that World War 1 was the product of 4 or 5 people. Three stand out: Raymond Poincare`, President of France, Sergei Sazonov, Russian Foreign Minister, and Alexander Izvolski, Russian Ambassador to France. Poincare` wanted Alsace-Lorraine from Germany, and the Russians wanted Istanbul and the Bosphorus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. They realized that their ambitions required a general European war and worked to produce the desired war.

A Franco-Russian Alliance was formed. This alliance became the vehicle for orchestrating the war. The British government, thanks to the incompetence, stupidity, or whatever of its Foreign Minister, Sir Edward Grey, was pulled into the Franco-Russian Alliance. The war was started by Russia’s mobilization. The German Kaiser, Wilhelm II, was blamed for the war despite the fact that he did everything possible to avoid it.

Barnes’ book was published in 1926. His reward for confronting the corrupt court historians with the truth was to be accused of being paid by Germany to write his history. Eighty-six years later historian Christopher Clark in his book, The Sleepwalkers, comes to essentially the same conclusion as Barnes.

In the history I was taught the war was blamed on Germany for challenging British naval supremacy by building too many battleships. The court historians who gave us this tale helped to set up World War 2.

We are again on the road to World War. One hundred years ago the creation of a world war by a few had to be done under the cover of deception. Germany had to be caught off guard. The British had to be manipulated and, of course, people in all the countries involved had to be propagandized and brainwashed.

Today the drive to war is blatantly obvious. The lies are obvious, and the entire West is participating, both media and governments.

The American puppet, Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper, openly lied on Canadian TV that Russian President Putin had invaded Crimea, threatened Ukraine, and was restarting the Cold War. The host of the TV program sat and nodded his head in agreement with these bald-faced lies. http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Stephen+Harper+accuses+Vladimir+Putin+being+stuck+back+USSR/9663692/story.html

The script that Washington handed to its Canadian puppet has been handed to all of Washington’s puppets, and everywhere in the West the message is the same. “Putin invaded and annexed Crimea, Putin is determined to rebuild the Soviet Empire, Putin must be stopped.”

I hear from many Canadians who are outraged that their elected government represents Washington and not Canadians, but as bad as Harper is, Obama and Fox “News” are worse.

On March 26 I managed to catch a bit of Fox “news.” Murdoch’s propaganda organ was reporting that Putin was restoring the Soviet era practice of exercise. Fox “news” made this report into a threatening and dangerous gesture toward the West. Fox produced an “expert,” whose name I caught as Eric Steckelbeck or something like that. The “expert” declared that Putin was creating “the Hitler youth,” with a view toward rebuilding the Soviet empire.

The extraordinary transparent lie that Russia sent an army into Ukraine and annexed Crimea is now accepted as fact everywhere in the West, even among critics of US policy toward Russia.

Obama, whose government overthrew the democratically elected government in Ukraine and appointed a stooge government that has threatened the Russian provinces of Ukraine, falsely accuses Putin of “invading and annexing” Crimea.

Obama, or his handlers and programers, are relying on the total historical ignorance of Western peoples. The ignorance and gullibility of Western peoples allows the American neoconservatives to fashion “news” that controls their minds.

Obama recently declared that Washington’s destruction of Iraq–up to one million killed, four million displaced, infrastructure in ruins, sectarian violence exploding, a country in total ruins–is nowhere near as bad as Russia’s acceptance of Crimean self-determination. US Secretary of State John Kerry actually ordered Putin to prevent the referendum and stop Crimeans from exercising self-determination.

Obama’s speech on March 26 at the Palace of Fine Arts in Brussels is surreal. It is beyond hypocrisy. Obama says that Western ideals are challenged by self-determination in Crimea. Russia, Obama says, must be punished by the West for permitting Crimeans to exercise self-determination. The return of a Russian province on its own volition to its mother country where it existed for 200 years is presented by Obama as a dictatorial, anti-democratic act of tyranny. http://on.rt.com/sbzj4o

Here was Obama, whose government has just overthrown the elected, democratic government of Ukraine and substituted stooges chosen by Washington in the place of the elected government, speaking of the hallowed ideal that “people in nations can make their own decisions about their future.” That is exactly what Crimea did, and that is exactly what the US coup in Kiev contravened. In the twisted mind of Obama, self-determination consists of governments imposed by Washington.

Here was Obama, who has shredded the US Constitution, speaking of “individual rights and rule of law.” Where is this rule of law? It is certainly not in Kiev where an elected government was overthrown with force. It is certainly not in the United States where the executive branch has spent the entirety of the new 21st century establishing government above the law. Habeas corpus, due process, the right to open trials and determination of guilt by independent jurors prior to imprisonment and execution, the right to privacy have all been overturned by the Bush/Obama regimes. Torture is against US and international law; yet Washington set up torture prisons all over the globe.

How is it possible that the representative of the war criminal US government can stand before an European audience and speak of “rule of law,” “individual rights,” “human dignity,” “self-determination,” “freedom,” without the audience breaking out in laughter?

Washington is the government that invaded and destroyed Afghanistan and Iraq on the basis of lies. Washington is the government that financed and organized the overthrow of the Libyan and Honduran governments and that is currently attempting to do the same thing to Syria and Venezuela. Washington is the government that attacks with drones and bombs populations in the sovereign countries of Pakistan and Yemen. Washington is the government that has troops all over Africa. Washington is the government that has surrounded Russia, China, and Iran with military bases. It is this warmongering collection of Washington war criminals that now asserts that it is standing up for international ideals against Russia.

No one applauded Obama’s nonsensical speech. But for Europe to accept such blatant lies from a liar without protest empowers the momentum toward war that Washington is pushing.

Obama demands more NATO troops to be stationed in Eastern Europe to “contain Russia.” http://news.antiwar.com/2014/03/26/obama-wants-more-nato-troops-in-eastern-europe/ Obama said that a buildup of military forces on Russia’s borders would reassure Poland and the Baltic states that, as NATO members, they will be protected from Russian aggression. This nonsense is voiced by Obama despite the fact that no one expects Russia to invade Poland or the Baltic countries.

Obama doesn’t say what effect the US/NATO military buildup and numerous war games on Russia’s border will have on Russia. Will the Russian government conclude that Russia is about to be attacked and strike first? The reckless carelessness of Obama is the way wars start.

Declaring that “freedom isn’t free,” Obama is putting pressure on Western Europe to pony up more money for a military buildup to confront Russia. http://news.antiwar.com/2014/03/26/us-presses-eu-nations-to-hike-military-spending-to-confront-russia/

The position of the government in Washington and its puppet states (Eastern and Western Europe, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Georgia, Japan) and other allies purchased with bagfuls of money is that Washington’s violation of international law by torturing people, by invading sovereign countries on totally false pretenses, by routinely overthrowing democratically elected governments that do not toe the Washington line is nothing but the “indispensable and exceptional country” bringing “freedom and democracy to the world.” But Russia’s acceptance of the self-determination of Crimean people to return to their home country is “a violation of international law.”

Just what international law has Washington and its puppets not violated?

Obama, whose government in the past few years has bullied Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, Iran, Honduras, Ecuador, Bolivia, and Venezuela and is now trying to bully Russia, actually declared that “bigger nations can not simply bully smaller ones.” What does Obama and his speech writers think Washington has been doing for the entirety of the 21st century?

Who can possibly believe that Obama, whose government is responsible for the deaths of people every day in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, and Syria, cares a whit about democracy in Ukraine. Obama overthrew the Ukrainian government in order to be able to stuff the country into NATO, throw Russia out of its Black Sea naval base, and put US missile bases in Ukraine on Russia’s border. Obama is angry that his plan didn’t pan out as intended, and he is taking his anger and frustration out on Russia.

As the delusion takes hold in Washington that the US represents idealism standing firmly against Russian aggression, delusion enabled by the presstitute media, the UN General Assembly vote, and Washington’s string of puppet states, self-righteousness rises in Washington’s breast.

With rising self-righteousness will come more demands for punishing Russia, more demonization of Russia and Putin, more lies echoed by the presstitutes and puppets. Ukrainian violence against Russian residents is likely to intensify with the anti-Russian propaganda. Putin could be forced to send in Russian troops to defend Russians.

Why are people so blind that they do not see Obama driving the world to its final war?

Just as Obama dresses up his aggression toward Russia as idealism resisting selfish territorial ambitions, the English, French, and Americans presented their World War 1 “victory” as the triumph of idealism over German and Austrian imperialism and territorial ambitions. But at the Versailles Conference the Bolsheviks (the Tsar’s government failed to gain the Straits and instead lost the country to Lenin) “revealed the existence of the notorious Secret Treaties embodying as sordid a program of territorial pilfering as can be found in the history of diplomacy. It appears that the chief actual motives of the Entente in the World War were the seizure of Constantinople and the Straits for Russia; not only the return of Alsace-Lorraine to France, but the securing of the west bank of the Rhine, which would have involved the seizure of territory historically far longer connected with Germany than Alsace-Lorraine had ever been with France; the rewarding of Italian entry into the War by extensive territory grabbed away from Austria and the Jugo-Slavs; and the sequestering of the German imperial possessions, the acquisition of the German merchant marine and the destruction of the German navy in the interest of increasing the strength of the British Empire” (Barnes, pp. 691-692). The American share of the loot was seized German and Austrian investments in the US.

The secret British, Russian, and French aims of the war were hidden from the public, which was whipped up with fabricated propaganda to support a war whose outcomes were far different from the intentions of those who caused the war. People seem unable to learn from history. We are now witnessing the world again being led down the garden path by lies and propaganda, this time in behalf of American world hegemony.

 

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Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:02 | 4605910 rtalcott
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 World War 1 (and World War 2) was the result of the ambitions and mistakes of a very small number of people. Only one head of state was actually involved–the President of France.

 

For WWI I do not think this is accurate.....maybe it depends on what the definition of is is...

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:08 | 4605921 knukles
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See, that's what the 24/7/365 horseshit distractions like the "mass suicide" Malay flight 370's all about.
Watch me pull a Matrix out of my ass
Y'all should remember that PCR was once an editor of the opinion section of the WSJ.  A true olde fashioned mind your own fucking business conservative who never lost proper perspective.
Three Cheers.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:09 | 4605929 y3maxx
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...It's unf*cking real how the West vs East WW3 is shaping up.

and guaranteed....the East is better prepared..First Strike in the making.

Mother Earth and many of its citizens are in dire jeopardy.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:22 | 4605962 James_Cole
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Why are people so blind that they do not see Obama driving the world to its final war?

I’ve got to say that each time Obama opens his mouth to say a bunch of ridiculous nonsense I can’t help but be reminded that lunatic McCain was his closest opposition for the job. 

At the end, this whole episode continues to seem like a big kabuki theatre, none of the players involved having any real appetite for a war (except the nutty Ukrainian & American fascists) and it’s served Putin well in his country, something a full on war would not do. 

This is not the WWIII you are looking for. And the East is certainly not better prepared than the West for a war. 

 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:33 | 4605993 Uncle Remus
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And the East is certainly not better prepared than the West for a war

Well, that depends on context now doesn't it?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:54 | 4606034 James_Cole
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Well, that depends on context now doesn't it?

I would assume y3maxx had been referring to the above context, but seemingly under any context.

Off the top of my head:

-india & pakistan ready to nuke each other at the drop of a hat

-china vs japan wargames

-russia vs. ukrainian fascists

-saudis + frenemies vs. iran in Syria

-iraq vs. itself

-israel vs. the world minus US & Canada

Etc.

Meanwhile the core American allies..

-US-Canada-Mexico / UK-EU+a bunch of benchwarmers

All it would take is a strategic match in the East.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:00 | 4606044 DoChenRollingBearing
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No more wars, I'm sick of them.  Everyone (almost everyone anyway) is.  I think that is one point that almost all of us at ZH can agree on.  

PCR has gotten very polemical in recent years, I would not jump to judgement just on this piece here, other than:

No More War!

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:17 | 4606091 El Vaquero
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+1012

 

Besides, where are we going to get the oil to fight a conventional war?  And how are we going to pay for it?  We're already flirting with conditions that would bring about hyperinflation. 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:33 | 4606155 boogerbently
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If we lived in any other country, we would be petitioning our leaders to stop the USA, at any cost.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:17 | 4606224 Cap Matifou
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Here is the book PCR mentions:

The Genesis of the World War
https://archive.org/details/genesisofworldwa00harr

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:28 | 4606295 Quus Ant
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Babylon system is the vampire
Me say the Babylon system is the vampire                                                                                                                               falling empire
Suckin' the blood of the sufferers
Building church and university
Deceiving the people continually
Me say them graduatin' thieves and murderers
Look out now- they suckin' the blood of the sufferers

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:56 | 4606390 Ignatius
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Amazing recent interview with PCR: 

Ukraine, Neocons & Armageddon

via The Mind Renewed alternative media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k11v8WOVT2U

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:02 | 4606412 MeMadMax
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The internet will save us from world war...

 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:20 | 4606424 Ignatius
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We're like simple cavemen... with nukes.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:14 | 4606552 SMG
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Here's a better analysis of what's going on than PCR.  He's close,  but misplaced the blame on "Washington". The Luciferian Oligarchs control Washington.  They are who is to blame.   They are the prime movers in all of this.

http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html

In the end this is about a Global government and population control. 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:41 | 4606690 Ignatius
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No doubt that top oligarchs have more in common with one another than with their fellow, poorer countrymen.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 21:25 | 4606711 Quus Ant
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Check out the real situation:
Nation war against nation.
Where did it all begin?
When will it end?
Well, it seems like total destruction the only solution.
And there ain't no use. no one can stop them now.
Ain't no use

nobody can stop them now.

http://youtu.be/YF4cjKyxxc8?t=4m31s

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 05:13 | 4607297 GetZeeGold
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Yes we.....ummm.....can?

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 06:01 | 4607328 negative rates
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Around here it's, "If only the Russians would go along with us, everything would be fine."

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 10:24 | 4607563 chumbawamba
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govern = to control

ment = mind

govern + ment = government = mind control

I = Chumbawamba.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 07:11 | 4607365 SunRise
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Surround yourself with it - When the Nukes go off, gold makes great embalming fluid.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:12 | 4607092 nohweh
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I,for one,welcome The Old New World Order and Maitreya. Just what is it going to take for him to know that we are ready to be saved? 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 06:08 | 4607334 GetZeeGold
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Maitreya....isn't that guy dead yet?

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:06 | 4607089 Patriot Eke
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War is the plan, and we are not the planners.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 01:52 | 4607210 Lore
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No mention of Israel?  This editorial is a good rant, but leaves stones unturned. 

Drowning in bankster-trafficked debt, still unwilling after momentous opportunities to wake up and admit they have been hoodwinked, Americans will channel their fury at the violent decline in their standard of living by endorsing the glib, simplistic narrative thrown at them.  History will repeat according to program. Another generation of naive young drones will throw their lives away in the service of banksters.  Or will they?  If a president gave a speech and nobody clapped, is it because some people stopped listening?

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 11:01 | 4607623 disabledvet
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No clapping is the sound of Russians coming from the other direction.

Kiev is there for the taking. Controlling those natural gas pipelines would make Moscow rich beyond belief...and crush Western Europe's economy for a century. That could establish the ruble as a reserve currency as well...replacing the euro and quite possibly the dollar as well.

We'll see if he goes for it.
Again "the Truxton is sufficient."

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 10:49 | 4617274 boogerbently
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I'm encouraged.

The four previous comments contain the words Genesis, Babylon, Armageddon and save us.

You're getting close.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:44 | 4606705 Ignatius
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Chant Down Babylon by The Defenders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHfC7G76mg

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 07:26 | 4607377 Husk-Erzulie
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Cap Matifou...

Thanky for linking that DL man.  I would have had to go looking for that (as others would I'm sure).

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:33 | 4606319 29.5 hours
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Altho I believe the U.S. gov't is leading the world toward war, I would not base my arguments on a book written by a guy who thinks the Holocaust in Europe was a figment of imagination.

Harry Elmer Barnes

 

 

 


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:36 | 4606515 disabledvet
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Well..World War I was a complex as World War II was simple...so this article does kinda gloss that part over a wee bit.

It is foolish sentiment to think that what we have here is not "intentional war" actually...having said that one would think such a thing impossible given US experiences in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Instead we're looking at potentially the biggest conflict in world history.

My personal view remains that he longer this drags out the more the West will want to strike actually.
There is no diplomacy folks.
And this is not a drill.

What we're seeing is actually happening and Chancellor Merkel has stated that President Putin is "divorced from reality."

So the USA and Russia continue to circle each other like two wolves in each other's turf. The rest of the "pack" is now "congealing" around a common point of view. If that view becomes "threat to collective security" then the conditional reality of "war as inevitable" can suddenly sink in.

That could be "war everywhere" I might add. "And the most ever." I agree...not a record we should be trying to break.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 04:56 | 4607290 Oh regional Indian
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Also, re. hollow cost...

http://www.john-friend.net/2014/03/how-holocaust-was-faked.html

Check it out...

ori

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:42 | 4607450 AssFire
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Upvoted zh's #1 mystic.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 09:34 | 4607507 DanDaley
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So why oh why did Adolf Eichman -who should have known if anyone did, admit to killing at least 5 million Jews? You make a grave error when you let your hatred try to determine what happens/happened in reality.

 When Hausner produced evidence that Eichmann had stated in 1945 that "I will leap into my grave laughing because the feeling that I have five million human beings on my conscience is for me a source of extraordinary satisfaction", Eichmann said he meant "enemies of the Reich" such as the Soviets.[159] During later examination by the judges, he admitted he meant the Jews, and said the remark was an accurate reflection of his opinion at the time.[160] Wikipedia

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 11:09 | 4607643 disabledvet
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Well the Nuremberg trial wasn't fake. Nor is the cell phone I am using. Nor am I. How could a machine render something as ridiculous as me.

What is true is that this is the Putin's show. Crymea is an expensive prize...Ukraine with no resistance however is a gift that will pay for itself for centuries. "The West offers no resistance."

Taking Lviv would be a fine prize indeed.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 12:23 | 4607690 Blazed
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Ah yes, the perpetual "6 million" Jews. Well, which "6 million"? Do you mean the first Jewish holocaust of "6 million" before, during, and after WWI(World War One)?

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEJ_7vJIuUc

Or maybe Dwight D. Eisenhower, Charles De Gaulle, and Winston Churchill missed a little something, lol.

"Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War total 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi "gas chambers," a "genocide" of the Jews, or of "six million" Jewish victims of the war." http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n2p19_Faurisson.html 

 

Unless you would like to continue to believe the discredited(coercion, fabrications) Soviet laden kangaroo court "Nuremberg Trials", with a couple unsubstantiated coerced “confessions” under threat to self and family, and which were simply about general "war crimes", not holocausts, and that even an involved US Federal Court Justice, a prominent Jewish international law professor, US Congressmen, and many others who were directly involved, called a complete fraud.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html 

 

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Weberb.html

Or perhaps you are refering to the actual 280,000 total of all people who died due to typhus, direct allied bombing, and later malnutrition and disease, while interned in the camps during WWII, as reported by the ICRC who had representatives in the camps since 1942?

http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-jewish-holocaust-hoax/

 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:21 | 4606619 Lost Word
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The link to wikipedia about Harry Elmer Barnes was good.

Your conclusion/comment, not so good.

His book about the cause of WW I

was written long before Barnes became a Holocaust denier.

Seems that Barnes was mostly anti-war, and his blaming Jews and Bankers

would probably get a lot of support now.

Perhaps Barnes could be described as a more scholarly version of Henry Ford

and Ford's infamous anti-Jewish writings.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:27 | 4607117 meghaljani
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Jewish holocaust never happened. 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 03:30 | 4607262 ptolemy_newit
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it happened!

Big deal they weren't the only ones, just controlled the media

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 06:15 | 4607337 GetZeeGold
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Jewish holocaust never happened.

 

6 million people just got put on the cattle cars to Obamacare......and that's according to the current administration.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 14:16 | 4608031 ptolemy_newit
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yes and 13 million others

 

wtF!!!!!!

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:08 | 4607411 Keyser
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Proof please or you're just a simple denier of reality. 

 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 07:49 | 4607390 joak
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Being here you should be a curious mind, so I have one question : have you ever investigated the subject and the claims of the serious revisionists ? In a nutshell, they say that Jews were deported in concentration camps, as other populations, to work, and many died because of lack of food/epidemia that occured mainly when Germany collapsed. This is not to minimize the deportation and the sufferings of Jews, but at some point we should be able to look at events in a neutral way. Nuremberg court was not, and the revisionists have brought many good points (not a single document budgeting the operation, written orders, etc., technical procedures to operate a gaz chamber that are not in line with the testimonials, sometimes completely funky, etc., aerial pictures of Auschitz never showing the scenes described by witnesses, etc.) to refute that gaz chambers were used to mass kill Jews that this story is hardly believable now. The fact that, in many countries, you are simply not allowed to research in this area or that posting this message can lead to jail, conforts me in my opinion that the revisionists are probably closer to the truth thant the mainstream historians.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 10:27 | 4607567 11b40
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For all you deniers, here is my personal story.

My father was a South Georgia country boy who fought his way across France and Germany as a machine gunner with the 45th Infantry during WW2.  He was a part of the liberators of the concentration camp in Dachau.  He saw the bodies.  He saw the emaciated survivors.  He saw the gas chambers.  He saw the rail cars.  He talked and dealt with both the survivors and the locals.

This from Wikiepedia offers some description, very similar to his first person acccounts.  We talked about these things after my time in Viet Nam.

"Just before the soldiers entered the complex, they found thirty-nine railway boxcars containing some two-thousand skeletal corpses. Brain tissue was splattered on the ground from one victim found nearby with a crushed skull. The smell of decaying bodies and human excrement, and the sight of naked, emaciated bodies induced vomiting, crying, disbelief and rage.[14][15][16]

Upon moving deeper into the complex, and the prisoner area itself, more bodies were found. Some had been dead for hours and days before the camp's capture and lay where they had died. Soldiers reported seeing a row of cement structures that contained rooms full of hundreds of naked and barely clothed dead bodies piled floor to ceiling, a coal-fired crematorium and a gas chamber.[17] "The stench of death was overpowering."[18]

After the war, he returned home, married, and in 1947, I was born.  Times were tough in that part of the contry, and he decided to re-up.  In 1949, he was back in Germany....In Dachau again as a part of the reconstruction effort.  My mother and I joined him, and lived there until I was 5.  I have vague memories myself, and there were lifelong German friends my parents made from that area.

We cycled back to Germany for 2 more tours, and I visted Dachau serveral times at older ages.

Germans killed thousands of Jews in Dachau. 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 11:52 | 4607715 Rusty Shorts
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The NAZI's were ZIONIST JEWS people, wake the fuck up!!!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO5sbwGCR7A

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 12:31 | 4607810 ptolemy_newit
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1000,s

millions of people gypsies are gone, how to replace that? 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 13:50 | 4607976 Lost Word
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Some of the Holocaust deniers deny the use of gas chambers.

Many of the Holocaust deniers admit many Jews died or were killed, but

only deny the large number of six million,

prefering a much smaller number.

So, a "denier" can have more than one meaning or interpretation.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:24 | 4606480 UselessEater
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Australians could petition the US to stop but we have the same puppet masters and social brainwashing found elswhere. If one day it ends in war Aussies had better get used to Chinese masters because thats the stupid path we are taking.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 00:05 | 4607087 Patriot Eke
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How do you pay for a war when you're broke?  You use pieces you've already paid for (nuclear weapons).  I hope all of my friends have prepared accordingly, for I strongly believe that's what's coming.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 11:17 | 4607654 Citxmech
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El Vaq.  This war that's being fought - right now - is for resources.  The important ones:  Productive land, Strategic land, Water, Oil, etc.  It's that time.  The yeast has reached the edge of it's Petrie dish.

See Prof. Bartlett:  The Exponential Function and Michael Klare's Resource Wars

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 12:39 | 4607828 Tall Tom
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I have demonstrated in the comments before that there are few that understand the exponential function...even here amongst those whom need understand numbers, the Financialists.

 

While Zerohedge is a Financial Website the sad truth is that the few of those whom frequent this website will even be able to solve the simple Period-Interest Rate-Time Period function for either the Time Period or, more demanding, solve it for Interest Rate when given in the following form,

 

P = (1 + r)t,

 

(which is an exponential function).

 

The simple Algebra is far too demanding of many here.

 

Then to challenge them with Differentials or Derivatives,

 

such as evaluating dP/dt,

or,

evaluating d2P/dt2 just cannot be expected from most.

 

This is a simple task as this is a simple model. But asking most to understand far more complex modeling when they fail to be able to understand simple modeling, is somewhat irrational if it is expected.

 

I am not writing this to dissuade you as I also feel it to be important to communicate this to as many whom can understand. But I am just giving you a clue that many just will not be able to grasp the concept presented.

 

Thus the understanding audience will be very small as a result as maybe 2% will get it.

 

With the massive distrust, and rightfully so as so many have been deceived by the "experts", there is no hope, whatsoever, that many will believe you.

 

That is the reason that there is no hope for humanity.

 

Civilization will fail as a direct result of the inability of most to think exponentially.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:17 | 4606092 Chupacabra-322
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Absolutely! Plus all those free arms CONgress just revealed Criminal Obama armed Russia with.

Boys & girls at the highest Compartmentalized levels of Criminal Global Govenments & Criminal Espionage CORP. INC. they're all "in on it."

The worlds a stage with really criminal, bad actors on it.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:40 | 4606171 Dick Buttkiss
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It's simple, really, once you understand the source and sustenance of the state:

http://www.franz-oppenheimer.de/state1.htmhttp://www.wendymcelroy.com/ar...

What is also simple, then, is to understand that the end of the state is the end of history:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-end-history

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:05 | 4606223 smlbizman
Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:21 | 4606266 Chupacabra-322
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@smlbizman,

DAHBOO77 Confirmed. Eyes opened.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:34 | 4606158 Uncle Remus
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DCRB, that's naive. War is a part of being an apex predator.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:42 | 4606168 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1, of course!  Comes with the territory I guess.  You, of course, are right, even if not, uh...?!  

 

"... apex predator."

 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 04:47 | 4607286 markovchainey
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Next on the chopping block "apex predator". Shit hasn't changed in years.

 

Love me some DCRB.  Wish I needed bearings...

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:13 | 4606444 seek
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Unlike every other species of predator on the planet, we alone possess the ability to choose not to be one.

Ergo, war isn't necessarily a part of being human. Eternal vigilance, however, is necessary to stay at the apex regardless.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:32 | 4606499 scraping_by
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Kind of like money. You can earn it, steal it, or get it as a gift.

The elites don't like earning, that's real work. And the gifts we've been given by our ancestors and the accidents of geography have been pretty much pissed away. That leaves stealing. Armed robbery. With other people's kids as the price.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:47 | 4606550 Uncle Remus
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I disagree. Being an apex predator makes it a part. How and to what degree we war are the options, not if.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:29 | 4607039 Anusocracy
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War is part of being non-human.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:48 | 4607063 Dick Buttkiss
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War is what makes us non-human, as we are by nature peaceful creatures and only denegrate our species by engaging in it. And as war is the health of that which thrives on our denegration — http://www.wendymcelroy.com/articles/warfreem.html — we either rid ourselves of it, or it rids itself of us all.

In the meantime, it can kiss my ass.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 14:26 | 4608050 New_Meat
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"... as we are by nature peaceful creatures..."

What planet are you from?

- Ned

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:43 | 4606179 theprofromdover
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The media has the key; if they continue to be the government lapdog, then we'll be shaken up to a proper dumbass fury about Putin, and be stampeded into rallying to the flag, and who can say they won't. It takes a brave forme rinsider like PCR to put this stuff out on the wires.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 21:42 | 4606823 August
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>>>be stampeded into rallying to the flag...

If the US gets a (hot, warm or cold) war going with Eurasia, there will be some rallying to the flag, but it will be nothing like the (near) unity that was seen within the naive US population of the 1910's and 1940's, driven by monopoly anglophile news media.  I don't believe you'll be seeing too many boys from fly-over country putting their lives on the line to make common cause with either members of the FSA, or the country's Davos-man leadership class.

With any luck at all, the USA could emerge from war in similar conditon to the Ottoman, Russian or Hapsburg empires:  in pieces.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 07:51 | 4607393 caustixoid
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I hope you're right about lacklustre enthusiasm for a big new war "August", but I think you're wrong. 

Woodrow Wilson was re-elected in 1916 on the slogan "he kept us out of the war", only to have the media ramp up the Lusitannia and other Hun atrocities and turn the country pro-war. 

In 1941 80% of Americans wanted to stay out of "Europe's War".  After Pearl Harbor anyone not pro-war was a traitor. 

Pre-9/11 there was no appetite for another Iraq war; post-9/11 there's an Afghan invasion, an Iraq invasion, naked scanners, take off your shoes, read your emails and shocking compliance.

If you think the people won't rally to some new demonization, then I admire your faith in humanity.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 11:07 | 4607637 Yes_Questions
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well said.

 

However troubling a truth it is..

 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 07:01 | 4607347 Drifter
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"No more wars, I'm sick of them."

One more war could prevent all the future wars the out-of-control fascist US govt would cause. An American revolution ending said out-of-control fascist govt. 

It would be the most humanitarian act of the last hundred years, bringing down the world bully responsible for more war, destruction, and death than anyone else on the planet.

But it won't happen.  Americans just don't have the guts, despite being THE most heavily armed populace in world history.

Fortunately the new asian alliance will do what gutless Americans won't do, but gutless Americans will share the punishment ...and THAT is true justice.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 07:14 | 4607369 GetZeeGold
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No worries...this will be the war to end all wars.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 09:19 | 4607488 Deer Hunter
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"When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come." Mark 13

Time to go to the church house, because the must important decision any of us will every make is about Christ.

Good Sabbath

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:27 | 4607434 Dubaibanker
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Hi Dochen,

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

However, I believe that in the early 1900's there were just one billion people on the planet. Currently, after 100 years, we are above 7 billion and approaching 8 billion by 2024~, based on which it will be impossible for anyone to control the outcome of any war.

I don't believe a world war would happen in this context.

It would be so complicated to end it, just like Iraq and Afghanistan after a decade, that there will be mass revolutions, massive food shortages and a complete collapse ala one of those Will Smith or Denzel Washington movies!

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:30 | 4606138 Uncle Remus
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I was thinking more along the lines logistics, cannon fodder ratios, economic, resource and energy impact and the fact that a non-proxy shooting war involving the US would likely be an opportunity for whatever has been festering in the US to, well, manifest itself.

As far as "allies" are concerned, well, that remains to be seen.

So, in essence, I disagree, I do feel the East is better prepared and for reasons even the East might not fully recognize.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:59 | 4606405 Urban Roman
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As the fog descends, keep in mind that the navy (any navy) has two kinds of vessels.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:20 | 4606472 seek
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The east's history of suffering and low standards of livng leaves them better prepared, if nothing else.

I could see two things manifesting in the US. One, using war as a cover, would be the all-out activation of a fascist dicatorship, likely to the cheers of the left.

The other would be if a few choice targets were wiped out, reversion back to something closer to the articles of confederation and disempowerment at the federal level. I wouldn't want to live anywhere near certain classes of government facilities when this heats up, and ironically it wouldn't be military bases for the most part at risk.

I don't think anyone external to the US would even need to target financial centers. When this finally breaks, the US will gladly wipe out anything with financial records itself to cover up the crimes committed.

These two things aren't mutual exclusive, either.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 12:29 | 4607804 RaceToTheBottom
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I don't think it is a red/blue/right/left thing.  Putting any of it in that context is promoting the war.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:30 | 4606304 KKAOSS
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yup

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 01:56 | 4607205 Things that go bump
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If they get us involved in a mess like that it would be an excellent opportunity for everybody to secede. The south might make a go of it this time. Cascadia is making noises like they think they could go it alone. I'll bet those live free or die folks up in the northeast would find a reason to withdraw their consent pretty quickly too, and those of us in the north central area, well, we can take care of ourselves. Personally, I'm pretty disaffected and ready for a change in management. That USA! USA!, we're #1 shit got old pretty fast. Maybe I'm just an old cynic, but I don't think they will be able to whip up that sort of patriotic fevor again. We could just let the East Coast from New York to D.C try to go it alone. I'll be happy to kick em when they're down.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 02:54 | 4607246 Kirk2NCC1701
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Long live Cascadia!
Blue ocean, green forests, white snowy peaks.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:20 | 4606263 logicalman
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The planet is not prepared for nuclear war, period.

It's not like a nuclear war is 'winnable'.

If it happens, it will be a multi species ending scenario.

Come back to earth in about a billion years and there might be 'intelligent' cockroaches wandering about the place and saying things like 'We could go the way of the human race, if we don't find a way to eradicate fights over turf and the concepts of countries' All cockroaches were created equal!

 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:40 | 4606680 Lost Word
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There are degrees of conventional war, from limited war, to full scale war.

The leaders make the choice.

Unless there are automated Doomsday machines to unleash total nuclear war,

the use of all nuclear weapons in the world inventory,

a limited nuclear war would not absolutely create the extinction of the human species.

How many dozens of nuclear weapons have already been used or tested in the atmosphere in the past?

Presumably even the nuclear warriors would choose limits to a nuclear war.

Even religious zealots wish for their own religious compatriot's survival.

This is not to say that I am in favor of any nuclear war.

Conventional war is bad enough.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 21:05 | 4606748 AGuy
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"Unless there are automated Doomsday machines to unleash total nuclear war, the use of all nuclear weapons in the world inventory,a limited nuclear war would not absolutely create the extinction of the human species."

But there is a Doomsday machine. its the world's 440 Nuclear reactors and their Spent Fuel pools. Just a few of these spent fuel pools contains more highly radioactive material than all of the bombs in the world. When the Next World War happens, almost all of the reactors will meltdown and all of the spent fuel pools will catch fire killing all advanced life. The Reactors and the spent fuel pools need constant cooling and maintenance. In a nuclear war, the infrastructure, replacement parts, people all become inaccessible making it impossible to keep them cooled much beyond a week or two.

 

 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:49 | 4606960 laomei
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"automated doomsday machines".

Yep, Russia has "Perimeter" aka "Dead Hand".  It's semi-automatic though, because a fully automated system was drawn up and those "crazy commies" looked at it and said "this is crazy".  So, in a time of potential nuclear war, the switch is flipped and the system primed.  Any attack that meets certain conditions results in full release and that's the end.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 23:11 | 4606932 hobopants
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Conventional warfare became obsolete with the advent of nuclear arms...

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 10:54 | 4607614 11b40
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Correct.  It's guerilla warfare from here on out.  Hit and run.  Conventional forces cannot "win" a war of occupation without cruelty in the extreme.  Once, such horror was only seen by the victims and perps, but now, it is instantly broadcast around the world, and not easily tolerated.  

Furthermore, if opposing enemy forces both have advanced weapons capabilities, massing a large army offers up a suicidal target to the enemy.

This war business is not as easy as it once was.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:35 | 4605998 New England Patriot
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Obama is the Mandarin from Iron Man 3. 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:32 | 4606136 Chupacabra-322
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How is it possible that the representative of the war criminal US government can stand before an European audience and speak of “rule of law,” “individual rights,” “human dignity,” “self-determination,” “freedom,” without the audience breaking out in laughter?

How? I will explain to you "how" Dr. Roberts as I'm sure you're aware of.

What we have is a Criminal UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. "posing" as a functional Government of the people, by the people & for the people. It's IS the absolute, unequivocal reason why the Criminal UNTIED STATES, CORP. INC. functioning under the Criminal Corp. version of THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION continues to rape, murder, pillage, war illegal wars of Aggresion & TORTURE.

That IS the reason Dr. Roberts.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:26 | 4606284 logicalman
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As long as there are so called 'leaders' (I have a slightly less flattering term for the buggers, but that's what they call themselves to feel important) there will be 'countries' - fictions to divide the herd into manageable sized groups.

As long as there are countries there will be wars.

I am an anarchist.

No leader - No war.

Now there's an idea whose time has come.

If humanity doesn't wake up SOON, it isn't going to get chance EVER.

I object strongly to a few psychopaths having the ability to affect decent peoples lives, to the level of ending them on a whim.

Call me funny.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:48 | 4606707 Lost Word
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There are always groups and there are always leaders of groups.

Whether it is a gang or a clan or a tribe or a nation or a country,

it is only a matter of the scale of the war.

The "Anarchist Cookbook" is small scale war.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 12:54 | 4607850 Tall Tom
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You fail to understand what anarchy is.

 

It is not about violence and war...

 

I will leave it to you to find out as I care not debate because you are indoctrinated by the Main Stream.

 

Be your own leader...

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:26 | 4606287 Deathrips
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Yup.

 

And remember kids you dont need to be an american citizen to be president of the corporation, started in 1871 deleware United States Corporation. See O'whoever. the birth certificate is controlled opposition.

 

RIPS

 

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:15 | 4606453 markovchainey
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I'm just looking forward to the day where instead of silence the POTUS gets hecklers...it's coming...

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 19:50 | 4606560 Shad_ow
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Oh he gets them now you just are not allowed to hear about it.  Anyone heckling the chosen one is dragged from the venue.  I don't know what happens after they are removed, we never hear about it but I have seen snippets of it on tape.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:57 | 4606204 cccmachine
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Come on now. You know he played his part better

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:42 | 4606013 SafelyGraze
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"The American puppet, reporter Jane Standley, openly lied on BBC TV that WTC7 could never collapse and that the collapse of a steel-framed building was unimaginable. The host of the TV program sat and nodded his head in agreement with these bald-faced lies."

yeah yeah.

this kind of stuff happens all the time.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:53 | 4606031 Magnum
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Right right.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:40 | 4606343 SafelyGraze
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nice avatar you got there

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:24 | 4606124 Freddie
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Obama, the Democracts (except Kucinich), Neocons like McCain work for the NWO.

If we have a world war - what are the chances for an American revolution?   If you got kids or relatives in the US military - get em out.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:23 | 4606642 casfoto
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First step...get rid of the neocons.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:50 | 4606713 TBT or not TBT
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Well there is a lot of confusion out there about who fits the description "neocon". Could you clarify your position with some specific examples of neocons?

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 05:33 | 4607307 scaleindependent
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Nuland and her husband Kagan, for example.

Kristol is another. 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 20:12 | 4608913 TBT or not TBT
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Fuck the EU is still a refreshing thing to hear from a US diplomat, even if she may be a sloppy juggler of cats in her free time, or admire Michelle Obama. I'm trying to think of disqualifying acts and attitudes.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:03 | 4607403 caustixoid
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Could you clarify your position with some specific examples of neocons?

Seriously???   Your question sounds Clintonian:  "it depends what you mean by "is""

 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 13:01 | 4607877 Tall Tom
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Obama is a neocon. Bush (both of them) are neocons. Cheney and Rumsfeld are neocons.

 

The Red Team/Blue Team paradigm is illusion. Neocons control both parties as they are neofascists.

 

Read about PNAC for the goals of the neocons.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 20:17 | 4608941 TBT or not TBT
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Thanks for demoing the neocon=BadPeople position. I'm convinced this works out in your head, but I'm also convinced its been vilified beyond reason. They're Emmanuel Goldstien from 1984, Rasputin, Jarret.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 21:07 | 4606754 fleur de lis
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DC is one big Gong Show. That place should be walled off before they get us all killed.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:30 | 4605981 agent default
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There will be no war.  Just a pretext for the ultimate power grab of our remaining liberties.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:11 | 4606071 giggler321
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Absolutely correct.  War now will end both them and us with the weapons of today.  No that probably won't happen but it is a power grab for sure.  Why try grab and control power when there is nothing left to control?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:31 | 4606142 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ahhh, as I recall, there was this sentiment before WW I that war was impossible because of the extremely high costs to each country's economy, etc.  The world in those days was rather free-trade.  

They all said the costs would be too high.  Yet look what happened.

No red to you above two, my opinion only.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 05:04 | 4607293 Oh regional Indian
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I think the plan this time is wars with-in borders for the serfs and automated "big" warfare, drone everything (tanks, soldiers, planes) for the show and tell, firewarks etc. for the rest...

ori

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:44 | 4606180 Dick Buttkiss
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You don't understand. "Our leaders are insane" and have no more idea what they're doing than our "leaders" did a hundred years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YspNkm0BKgw

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:20 | 4605949 MakeMineADouble
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I don't disagree with his arguments most of the time.  But the incendiary language that he uses lends me to believe that he is a propagator of propaganda.  His dealings in the high offices of government as well as being an editor of the Wall Street Journal leaves him suspect.  


Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:27 | 4605973 kliguy38
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Incendiary language???...oh heaven forbid that we become passionate about our country being destroyed

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:28 | 4606294 logicalman
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heaven forbid that we become passionate about our planet being destroyed.

FIFY

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:35 | 4605999 Uncle Remus
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.

incendiary language

Cite some examples from the post.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:42 | 4606014 MakeMineADouble
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If you read him and are familiar with his work you would know what I am talking about.  I am not going to argue with you.  It is my opinion.  You are entitled to yours.  

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:36 | 4606163 Uncle Remus
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I didn't express an opinion, merely asked you to clarify yours.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:59 | 4606398 MakeMineADouble
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Fug you retards.  i made an intelligent argument.  You are just the left over scrum that has infected this place with the likes of Rushbots and GLP members that have denigrated intelligent conversation. It is no wonder that those that initially peppered this board are long gone. . .  It is disgusting the way that discourse has deteriotated around this place .  Full of sycophants and wannabes. Not an original thought in your head.  Trogydytes.  You have diminished the discourse of this bastion of information.  Take a flying fug.  

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 20:48 | 4606709 Omen IV
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you're beiig silly at best - never offering ANY facts in rebuttal just character assassination

you couldnt shine PCR shoes - you need to apologize - when  will we get it?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 21:56 | 4606851 Quus Ant
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He needs to apologize? 

Who's being silly, again?

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 13:18 | 4607917 Tall Tom
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I just do not understand that he will need to apologize.

First he uses a character assassination on PCR.

When he does not get the desired result there he retorts to an ad hominum attack against the readers of the comments.

 

(I actually found that attack quite humorous as I have despised Rush Limbaugh ever since I have heard him spew his brand of hatred and propaganda. Futhermore Fox News as well as CNN and MSN BS, and See BS, just provides me with an urge to regurgitate as it is pure poison.)

 

His approach is an appeal to emotion without any regard for truth.

 

No he need not apologize as his tactics are Standard Operating Procedure for any troll.

 

So I guess it is silly to demand an apology. I will have to agree with you there.

 

However the question remains why is it that you are coming to the defense of his ilk?

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 01:57 | 4606821 Quus Ant
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I appreciate your skepticism.  I've read PCR for a while and agree he has recently adopted a more incendiary, wild eyed style.  could mean he is playing a part in the proceedings, but it could also mean he sees where this is heading- where many of us see this heading- and has pre-emptively gone out of his gourd. 

The world is insane.  The only truth is the truth that recognizes this fact.  The only art is the art that reflects it. 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:07 | 4607409 agent default
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He is calling a spade a spade and nothing more.  Look around you, aren't you getting wild eyed?

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 08:56 | 4607470 Chuck Walla
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Another OFA drone gets pissy when the propaganda doesn't quite make it.

FORWARD SOVIET!

FORWARD ASS NAPKIN OBAMA!

FORWARD THE BUCK FARAK MOVEMENT!!

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:43 | 4606015 MakeMineADouble
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Sorry.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:39 | 4606004 MakeMineADouble
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dp

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:39 | 4606005 MakeMineADouble
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Whatever.  Down vote me.  I am in total agreement with his assessment.  I read this article this morning at OPED.  I read him all the time.  He posts an article every few days.  All I am saying is that he can say what needs to be said without the namecalling.  It lends more credence to his arguments.  

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:46 | 4606022 Uncle Remus
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That's like Pelosi et al complaining about a lack of civility while gang raping the treasury and the constitution.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:00 | 4606046 MakeMineADouble
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No Uncle Remus, It is about a citiaen that chooses to opt out of the mainstream media while still maintaining a critical view.  I want the facts.  I don't want editorials.  If I want someone else's opinion, I will ask for it.  I can make up my own mind.  

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:04 | 4606058 scraping_by
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But often, reality is not neutral. It's more neutral to call gangsters 'businessmen' but something vital is lost in the nice.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:17 | 4606096 Uncle Remus
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.

If I want someone else's opinion, I will ask for it.  I can make up my own mind.

Great and when you ask (which is implied if you voluntarily read an opinion), take care you don't bitch about how they express their opinion.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:46 | 4606187 MakeMineADouble
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OK.  I see your point.  Is it ok to be critical?  I mean, I know he publishes for free.  I am not ungrateful for his insight.  Actually some of his articles are full of facinating history that I have not theretofore been privy. Same with Professor Michel Chossudovsky.  I just think the message would more received if he didn't put the reader oh alert.  That was my only point.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:13 | 4606080 deKevelioc
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You've been oversocialized.  

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:18 | 4606098 MakeMineADouble
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ha ha.  And I haven't been fixed.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:21 | 4606269 Anusocracy
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Name calling is exactly what is needed. Otherwise you are handicapping the truth.

For example, POS Obama is a far more accurate description than President Obama.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 13:24 | 4607932 Tall Tom
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That is like you in the previous set of posts?

 

Pot...meet kettle.  You have a lot in common.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:40 | 4606008 JR
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Incendiary is what Paul Craig Roberts is arguing against. Incendiary is John McCain. Incendiary is accusing the Russians of aggression while the entire IMF/Fed Banker Establishment overthrows an elected government and implies Russia would attack countries such as Poland in order to foster a Ukrainian war.

That’s incendiary.

Reread Roberts’ article: Are not wars of aggression in Iraq and throughout the Middle East, the deaths of people every day in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, Palestine and Syria, and military activity from drones to CIA operations and assassinations in countless other countries, incendiary? Would you have instead of Paul Craig Roberts’ description of these actions, that Arianna Huffington and AOL tell us what is really happening around the world?

At least from Arianna and AOL, you won’t get incendiary use of the language against the American/Israeli Empire, just lies and cover-up.

And, by the way, we have lost our beloved country to the rule of tyrants. And in my view there is no language strong enough to alert Americans to this fact.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 16:46 | 4606021 MakeMineADouble
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No. My only point is that he can say what needs to be said without the namecalling.  It is not necessary.  I get it.  Anyone who reads him has been deeply involved in alternative media, for years.  

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:00 | 4606047 JR
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The main name Roberts seems to be calling is Barack Obama. And with so many truthful accusations lodged by Roberts against the president, a naive observer might wonder why Obama is doing all this - why this one man is creating the conditions leading to a world war? The reason, of course, is the name-calling Paul Craig Roberts has not done here in this article. Those are the names of the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank because it is those international figures who put Obama in office and for whom he works. 

In other words, there ain't enough name calling.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:13 | 4606078 MakeMineADouble
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OK.  But he is couching it in the terms that Obama is the "Leader of the Free World" and certainly after all this time you DO (I hope) realize that he is just a puppet.  The State Department and the CIA is still on the same rampage it was a decade ago.  It is like you have no awareness of the Deep State, the "Secret Government".  You think this man is running the whole deal....right???  OK.  Whatever.  These things can be discussed but they are not.  These alternative "authors" only touch upon the periphery of the issues that this Country faces.  It is balderdash!!!  There are very few alternative journalists that reach into this area.  The ones that do go all crazy on the Illuminati and Child Sacrifice and crazy crap.  Who is the one that faces this issue head on and without the hyperbole??  You tell me.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:47 | 4606185 kliguy38
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excellent analysis ....five stars...careful bashing the illuminati.....even your masters need a "religion".....and they have their own worship

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 13:33 | 4607949 Tall Tom
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Obama is doing the Puppetmaster bidding. But as he is the "figurehead" then the criticism delivered to Obama is the criticism well deserved as...HE IS DOING THE BIDDING.

 

"I was just following orders" was not a valid defense at Nuremberg and is not a valid defense today. There is this concept called...er...ahem...yeah..that is right...PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

 

It does not matter that he is just following orders. Good attempt at a deflection of responsibility there. Too bad it just does not have wings.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:19 | 4606101 drendebe10
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K. How about arrogant narcissistic pathological lying illegal alien kenyan muslim sociopathic ignoramus fydge packer in chuef. Howz that 4 name calling?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:24 | 4606122 MakeMineADouble
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I recognize you.  You are one of the many over at GLP that like to call black people the N word.  Except over there you get away with it.  You mongoloid.  You are so ignorant and insignificant.  I only drove by to tell you that.  

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:18 | 4606257 Aussie V
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I have no interest in people who call certain people the 'N word' as you put it however, do you consider yourself a hypocrite for then calling this poster a Mongoloid?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 18:37 | 4606335 Anusocracy
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Words are innocent victims of their use.

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 22:18 | 4606897 TheMeatTrapper
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You're just a fucking pussy. 

Nothing wrong with calling people names if they deserve it - whether it be nigger, redneck, queer, traitor, cunt or whatever else. 

Grow up, be a man and get the sand out of your vagina. 

 

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 03:10 | 4607251 Kirk2NCC1701
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At this point, I almost miss phoney star.

Sun, 03/30/2014 - 13:50 | 4607975 Tall Tom
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What in the hell is this GLP to which you refer?

 

Maybe I will go there and shred the deserving. But your attacking of the undeserving here does not earn you any respect.

 

Seriously. What in the hell are you writing about? Why are you bringing your bullshit here?

Sat, 03/29/2014 - 17:32 | 4606150 MakeMineADouble
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Really, there is not a zerohedge op that I peruse that doesn't have the same old tired stupid ass comments.  It was funny the first and second and maybe even third times...Now it is just stale.  You really need to grasp for some new material.  There are several real funny hedgers.  You are just not one of them.

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