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Paul Craig Roberts: Pushing Toward The Final War
Authored by Paul Craig Roberts via his blog,
Does Obama realize that he is leading the US and its puppet states to war with Russia and China, or is Obama being manipulated into this disaster by his neoconservative speech writers and government officials? World War 1 (and World War 2) was the result of the ambitions and mistakes of a very small number of people. Only one head of state was actually involved–the President of France.
In The genesis Of The World War, Harry Elmer Barnes shows that World War 1 was the product of 4 or 5 people. Three stand out: Raymond Poincare`, President of France, Sergei Sazonov, Russian Foreign Minister, and Alexander Izvolski, Russian Ambassador to France. Poincare` wanted Alsace-Lorraine from Germany, and the Russians wanted Istanbul and the Bosphorus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. They realized that their ambitions required a general European war and worked to produce the desired war.
A Franco-Russian Alliance was formed. This alliance became the vehicle for orchestrating the war. The British government, thanks to the incompetence, stupidity, or whatever of its Foreign Minister, Sir Edward Grey, was pulled into the Franco-Russian Alliance. The war was started by Russia’s mobilization. The German Kaiser, Wilhelm II, was blamed for the war despite the fact that he did everything possible to avoid it.
Barnes’ book was published in 1926. His reward for confronting the corrupt court historians with the truth was to be accused of being paid by Germany to write his history. Eighty-six years later historian Christopher Clark in his book, The Sleepwalkers, comes to essentially the same conclusion as Barnes.
In the history I was taught the war was blamed on Germany for challenging British naval supremacy by building too many battleships. The court historians who gave us this tale helped to set up World War 2.
We are again on the road to World War. One hundred years ago the creation of a world war by a few had to be done under the cover of deception. Germany had to be caught off guard. The British had to be manipulated and, of course, people in all the countries involved had to be propagandized and brainwashed.
Today the drive to war is blatantly obvious. The lies are obvious, and the entire West is participating, both media and governments.
The American puppet, Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper, openly lied on Canadian TV that Russian President Putin had invaded Crimea, threatened Ukraine, and was restarting the Cold War. The host of the TV program sat and nodded his head in agreement with these bald-faced lies. http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Stephen+Harper+accuses+Vladimir+Putin+being+stuck+back+USSR/9663692/story.html
The script that Washington handed to its Canadian puppet has been handed to all of Washington’s puppets, and everywhere in the West the message is the same. “Putin invaded and annexed Crimea, Putin is determined to rebuild the Soviet Empire, Putin must be stopped.”
I hear from many Canadians who are outraged that their elected government represents Washington and not Canadians, but as bad as Harper is, Obama and Fox “News” are worse.
On March 26 I managed to catch a bit of Fox “news.” Murdoch’s propaganda organ was reporting that Putin was restoring the Soviet era practice of exercise. Fox “news” made this report into a threatening and dangerous gesture toward the West. Fox produced an “expert,” whose name I caught as Eric Steckelbeck or something like that. The “expert” declared that Putin was creating “the Hitler youth,” with a view toward rebuilding the Soviet empire.
The extraordinary transparent lie that Russia sent an army into Ukraine and annexed Crimea is now accepted as fact everywhere in the West, even among critics of US policy toward Russia.
Obama, whose government overthrew the democratically elected government in Ukraine and appointed a stooge government that has threatened the Russian provinces of Ukraine, falsely accuses Putin of “invading and annexing” Crimea.
Obama, or his handlers and programers, are relying on the total historical ignorance of Western peoples. The ignorance and gullibility of Western peoples allows the American neoconservatives to fashion “news” that controls their minds.
Obama recently declared that Washington’s destruction of Iraq–up to one million killed, four million displaced, infrastructure in ruins, sectarian violence exploding, a country in total ruins–is nowhere near as bad as Russia’s acceptance of Crimean self-determination. US Secretary of State John Kerry actually ordered Putin to prevent the referendum and stop Crimeans from exercising self-determination.
Obama’s speech on March 26 at the Palace of Fine Arts in Brussels is surreal. It is beyond hypocrisy. Obama says that Western ideals are challenged by self-determination in Crimea. Russia, Obama says, must be punished by the West for permitting Crimeans to exercise self-determination. The return of a Russian province on its own volition to its mother country where it existed for 200 years is presented by Obama as a dictatorial, anti-democratic act of tyranny. http://on.rt.com/sbzj4o
Here was Obama, whose government has just overthrown the elected, democratic government of Ukraine and substituted stooges chosen by Washington in the place of the elected government, speaking of the hallowed ideal that “people in nations can make their own decisions about their future.” That is exactly what Crimea did, and that is exactly what the US coup in Kiev contravened. In the twisted mind of Obama, self-determination consists of governments imposed by Washington.
Here was Obama, who has shredded the US Constitution, speaking of “individual rights and rule of law.” Where is this rule of law? It is certainly not in Kiev where an elected government was overthrown with force. It is certainly not in the United States where the executive branch has spent the entirety of the new 21st century establishing government above the law. Habeas corpus, due process, the right to open trials and determination of guilt by independent jurors prior to imprisonment and execution, the right to privacy have all been overturned by the Bush/Obama regimes. Torture is against US and international law; yet Washington set up torture prisons all over the globe.
How is it possible that the representative of the war criminal US government can stand before an European audience and speak of “rule of law,” “individual rights,” “human dignity,” “self-determination,” “freedom,” without the audience breaking out in laughter?
Washington is the government that invaded and destroyed Afghanistan and Iraq on the basis of lies. Washington is the government that financed and organized the overthrow of the Libyan and Honduran governments and that is currently attempting to do the same thing to Syria and Venezuela. Washington is the government that attacks with drones and bombs populations in the sovereign countries of Pakistan and Yemen. Washington is the government that has troops all over Africa. Washington is the government that has surrounded Russia, China, and Iran with military bases. It is this warmongering collection of Washington war criminals that now asserts that it is standing up for international ideals against Russia.
No one applauded Obama’s nonsensical speech. But for Europe to accept such blatant lies from a liar without protest empowers the momentum toward war that Washington is pushing.
Obama demands more NATO troops to be stationed in Eastern Europe to “contain Russia.” http://news.antiwar.com/2014/03/26/obama-wants-more-nato-troops-in-eastern-europe/ Obama said that a buildup of military forces on Russia’s borders would reassure Poland and the Baltic states that, as NATO members, they will be protected from Russian aggression. This nonsense is voiced by Obama despite the fact that no one expects Russia to invade Poland or the Baltic countries.
Obama doesn’t say what effect the US/NATO military buildup and numerous war games on Russia’s border will have on Russia. Will the Russian government conclude that Russia is about to be attacked and strike first? The reckless carelessness of Obama is the way wars start.
Declaring that “freedom isn’t free,” Obama is putting pressure on Western Europe to pony up more money for a military buildup to confront Russia. http://news.antiwar.com/2014/03/26/us-presses-eu-nations-to-hike-military-spending-to-confront-russia/
The position of the government in Washington and its puppet states (Eastern and Western Europe, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Georgia, Japan) and other allies purchased with bagfuls of money is that Washington’s violation of international law by torturing people, by invading sovereign countries on totally false pretenses, by routinely overthrowing democratically elected governments that do not toe the Washington line is nothing but the “indispensable and exceptional country” bringing “freedom and democracy to the world.” But Russia’s acceptance of the self-determination of Crimean people to return to their home country is “a violation of international law.”
Just what international law has Washington and its puppets not violated?
Obama, whose government in the past few years has bullied Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, Iran, Honduras, Ecuador, Bolivia, and Venezuela and is now trying to bully Russia, actually declared that “bigger nations can not simply bully smaller ones.” What does Obama and his speech writers think Washington has been doing for the entirety of the 21st century?
Who can possibly believe that Obama, whose government is responsible for the deaths of people every day in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, and Syria, cares a whit about democracy in Ukraine. Obama overthrew the Ukrainian government in order to be able to stuff the country into NATO, throw Russia out of its Black Sea naval base, and put US missile bases in Ukraine on Russia’s border. Obama is angry that his plan didn’t pan out as intended, and he is taking his anger and frustration out on Russia.
As the delusion takes hold in Washington that the US represents idealism standing firmly against Russian aggression, delusion enabled by the presstitute media, the UN General Assembly vote, and Washington’s string of puppet states, self-righteousness rises in Washington’s breast.
With rising self-righteousness will come more demands for punishing Russia, more demonization of Russia and Putin, more lies echoed by the presstitutes and puppets. Ukrainian violence against Russian residents is likely to intensify with the anti-Russian propaganda. Putin could be forced to send in Russian troops to defend Russians.
Why are people so blind that they do not see Obama driving the world to its final war?
Just as Obama dresses up his aggression toward Russia as idealism resisting selfish territorial ambitions, the English, French, and Americans presented their World War 1 “victory” as the triumph of idealism over German and Austrian imperialism and territorial ambitions. But at the Versailles Conference the Bolsheviks (the Tsar’s government failed to gain the Straits and instead lost the country to Lenin) “revealed the existence of the notorious Secret Treaties embodying as sordid a program of territorial pilfering as can be found in the history of diplomacy. It appears that the chief actual motives of the Entente in the World War were the seizure of Constantinople and the Straits for Russia; not only the return of Alsace-Lorraine to France, but the securing of the west bank of the Rhine, which would have involved the seizure of territory historically far longer connected with Germany than Alsace-Lorraine had ever been with France; the rewarding of Italian entry into the War by extensive territory grabbed away from Austria and the Jugo-Slavs; and the sequestering of the German imperial possessions, the acquisition of the German merchant marine and the destruction of the German navy in the interest of increasing the strength of the British Empire” (Barnes, pp. 691-692). The American share of the loot was seized German and Austrian investments in the US.
The secret British, Russian, and French aims of the war were hidden from the public, which was whipped up with fabricated propaganda to support a war whose outcomes were far different from the intentions of those who caused the war. People seem unable to learn from history. We are now witnessing the world again being led down the garden path by lies and propaganda, this time in behalf of American world hegemony.
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If you don't like it stop coming here. Also when asked to clarify an argument "Fug you retards" is not the sort of response we consider adequate.
Exactly. Obama is just a sock puppet with the Fed/Neocon/Israeli Firster hand up his ass. Which must greatly annoy Reggie.
Reggie and Reverend Wright and the ENTIRE Chicago gang all know's who butter's their corn bread.
Hell some 60 years ago Malcolm X wrote a book about who controls these so called ALT religious groups.
"The Autobiography of Malcolm-X", and remember his own 'PEOPLE' took him out, but also remember that his own 'people' were always ran by the 'tribe'.
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To suggest that REGGIE hasn't taken CASS SUNSTEIN & Rahm Emmanuel cock in the mouth&ass all along in the Rev Wright bath-houses is crazy talk.
re "...a naive observer might wonder why Obama is doing all this - why this one man is creating the conditions leading to a world war? The reason, of course, is the name-calling Paul Craig Roberts has not done here in this article. Those are the names of the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank because it is those international figures who put Obama in office and for whom he works. "
I would say "why is one man facilitating..." (he's not creating conditions by himself), but absolutely right about OB and his puppetmasters, "nail, meet hammer". If he acts otherwise, he gets the JFK treatment. And if Roberts got too accurate with the truth, he might get the same treatment.
And then you write "Full of sycophants and wannabes. Not an original thought in your head. Trogydytes." Among the rest of your incoherent blither having nothing to do with the substance or the article attempting to divert the dialogue. Fuck off, troll.
This was a more subtle troll, as he started with "critical thinking" but then proceeded to derail the thread with name calling and hyperbole.
I agree that there are some disturbingly pro Russia sentiments in this article by PCR and it had the feel of propaganda, but it was not far off on its analysis of US policy.
However, as others have mentioned, PCR does seem to avoid discussing the true puppet masters and holds that the US government is actually sovereign. This has not been true since 1814 or earlier, though that is debatable.
Putin, Obama, and all the rest are actors for our distraction and manipulation...
Well said JR.
Well, if TEOTWAWKI by nuclear war isn't ground for some incendiary language I'm not sure what is.
We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene!
fug
Knukles... add a cheer for me. Make it four.
More citizens should adopt the attitude of Ali... "I ain't gonna go over there and kill no Vietnamese people! They ain't the ones oppressing me, it's you white people oppressing me!" paraphrased
An updated version for us: "I ain't gonna go somewhere and kill foreign people. They're ain't the ones oppressing me, its the Anglo-American Alliance thats oppressing me!"
Thank you for confirming my suspicions about the 370 flight. I kept hearing about it, unable to figure out why it was important to begin with.
In the 3rd world a plane reaching its destination without losing a wing or a tail would've made bigger news. Apparently I'm not the only person thinking it's a mere distraction.
From the day I realized that Crimea was 'up for grabs', so to speak, I advocated for a popular referendum to determine the future of the place. This concept did not involve tens of thousands of unidentified gunmen with armor, air and sea support to oversee the vote.
PCR certainly seems correct on the bigger picture of the march to war . He's nuts to call what happened in Crimea democratic. Such hyperbole undermines his veracity from the view point of a person who might just be hearing this sort of thing for the first time.
Sure his stuff plays well with the choir but anyone just passing by would come away thinking they just heard a raving lunatic conspiracy theorist who is best to be avoided. In other words, he has found a way to tell the important truth but obscure that with little lies, controlled opposition style. A spade is a spade.
So, in that sense, people in all those foreign countries that the US and its Crony Killers are blowing to smithereens should have a vote on whether or not they want to be bombed and their country destroyed?
And shouldn't each person have the right of self-determination concerning interactions with government, government that operates through use or threat of force.
After all, it boils down to the initiation of aggression, which any human knows is wrong.
Your comment sounds legit, but in fact you are ignoring decades of history in Crimea and come across as quite ignorant because of it. In reality, the Russian speaking population of Crimea has always wanted to be a part of Russia and there has been a movement to make it so ever since Crimea was pulled into Ukraine during the dissolution of the USSR. There was a previous referredum held in Crimea on Jan 20, 1991 on restoring autonomy to the region. Over 80% of the electorate participated, of which 93.26% supported the "restoration of the Crimean ASSR as a subject of the USSR and as a party to the Union Treaty." How do you explain that result when there were not gunmen forcing the issue?
so amazingly true
so amazingly true
Then he went to work for the Russians. You don't see it that way, I know. You should slit your wrists.
Funny how PCR has made himself into a 'oppositional'
voice of thought, but now that he has got
everybody's attention, he fall's right back into the
official WSJ-ZIO talking point's and historical
revisionism.
The problem is every one of these fucking so called
ALT MSM talking heads on ZH(MSM) is also on team-ZIO,
That is the fucking problem.
One would think that veteran's today is a truth teller,
but NOT, they're so fucking full of alien bullshit, you
know that is a honey pot also ran by team-zio.
Here's the deal, the entire WEB is now owned by
TEAM-ZIO
a propoganda piece deriding propoganda......peak hypocrisy
very thin piece containing little to no factual evidence
hey haka fuck
you
haka you
fuckin
husk
way to bring it Tony, that must be your A game.....keep up the less than mediocre typing
Haterz are just going to hate, prains. We can be better.
dumbest guy on zero hedge ! ! !
@prains
In general, journalism and its like don't go in for footnotes or documentary appendices. PCR's audience is assumed to be watching what's going on. And, hopefully, not entirely depending on official information.
Do you have anything whatsoever to back up your opinion?
Maybe it's PCR that needs some facts...all he does is quote Harry Barnes...seems like a very weak argument to me.
i wasn't around in 1913 to be able to accurately describe exactly how WW1 started so i find it more than disingenuous to represent in an article "how" that war started with just opinion and then infer the same thing is happening today.
trying to give a rational argument why YOU can't learn from history <facepalm>
i'm glad you were around in 1913, please help us all out then.... and being a centurian I'm sure we can all wait while you type a word an hour
Come'on, give us the dead parrot defense now...
And no, there are no books, or other written records to check out... oh I forgot all written records lie (but centenarians don't?)
history is written by the winners only, and they created the federal reserve, in turn run by a small cabal of criminals, so if you want to pack your lunch with "history", eat all you want I could give two shits what you think, muffin herder
You're still failing to build the argumentative bridge from "history is written by the winners" to why you would not read at least one of the two books mentioned:
Barnes’ book [The genesis Of The World War] was published in 1926. His reward for confronting the corrupt court historians with the truth was to be accused of being paid by Germany to write his history. Eighty-six years later historian Christopher Clark in his book The Sleepwalkers, comes to essentially the same conclusion as Barnes.
Try harder!
Bethmann Hollweg
the politician who did most for ww1 to happen, and without any recognition by the writer of the article.
muffin
everything you have sited is after the fact supposition. Nobody you've written about was in the rooms that made the deal that started these wars. There were no minutes taken or video footage. what really happened is ALL lost to guesswork and theory....that's what this "history" you keep talking about really is, a guess. So to then put a guess as the basis of your article and call it good is weak at best. The idea has legs, the arguement you've made around it, not so much. Sorry I've hurt your feelings.
I wonder what we'd find if we got access to the records Carroll Quigley got to see; I'm guessing there is also a lot he wasn't allowed to see. But it seems from a few things I have read here and there that the elite freaks are obssessive record keepers.
the spoken word at the time is the real record and lost to time, written records still are like the Bible, an account of an allegory wrapped in a fable masssaged by those in power to be whatever they want. For example, where were the Rothschild's during WW1 and WW2 and where are the minutes to their meetings? There were none, exactly..........
Now I'm putting a story around something?
I was actually only pointing out the story CPR was posting, which you waved off without any clear reason - except maybe you prefer to choose your "truth" completely uninhibited.
Everything else you blabbering here is just the good ol' rationalization hamster at work.
muffin, muffin, muffin.....you can choose "truth", I choose nothing as true. "Truth" makes people act according to what others want to make you think is "true". 911, Iraq, Vietnam, Syria......your "history" is littered with "truths".
You can have them muffin
The most cogent argument so far. Painful but cogent.
That word... I do not think it means what you think it means.
There's no doubt that the miscalulations were made by relatively few people...maybe a few dozen at the top of the pyramid. Sir Edward Grey was certainly doing his own thing and managed to drag UK into a war that nobody understood the ramifications of. The Kaiser knew what was going on and changed his position a few times. His war minister Moltke was definitely culpable, as was the Russian war minister Sukhomlinov to a lesser extent. The Austrians were incredibly stupid and optimistic about their useless army and the invasion of Serbia. Everyone managed to get everything wrong.They miscalculated every possible move by their opponesnts.
Our leaders today seem to be similarly stupid.
Did you read the mentioned book?
You are a contemporary witness of 9/11. You have witnessed yourself the incredible lies.
You are a contemporary witness of Colin Powell, telling the UN about Saddam Husseins WMDs.
You are a contemportary witness of the Syrian escalation.
You are a contemporary witness, that the Turkish government, NATO ally, is involved in flase flag operations.
You are a contemporary witness, of what has happened in Ukraine. You have witnessed that 1000 TV stations have reported the same, while the internet has put you into the situation, to escape the news monopoly.
100 years ago, there was no internet. The news monopoly of the western globalists was total. Why do you, although you are a living witness of the absolutely incredible lies even DESPITE the internet, still believe that the history these forces have written was the truth?
What else must happen until you begin to question things?!
Clarks book is good and already destroys the myths about WWI.
But Gerry Docherty and Jim Macgregor with their book "The Secret Origins of the First World War" show that the truth is even more shocking:
They show that the established history about WWI is nothing but a lie. They show that it was Germany, who was the target and victim. That the war was intentionally planned by very few influencial people (they name them and they name the organizations, socities and secret circles).
BLACK IS WHITE.
LIE IS TRUTH.
WAR IS PEACE.
Intriguing book. Good overview here:
http://www.thehistoryherald.com/History-Book-Reviews/hidden-history-the-...
We are also witnesses to the Kosovo/Serbia fraud.
Do I even have to say it? U know we r all thinking it! I know they already have all us ZEROHEGIES under internet surveillance. The only way we can stop this Corupt Criminal Corporate Gov is...
"Formal acts of rebellion against British authority began in late 1774 when the Patriot Suffolk Resolves effectively abolished the legal government of the Province of Massachusetts Bay. The tensions caused by this directly led to the outbreak of fighting between Patriot militia and British regulars at Lexington and Concord in April 1775. By the end of 1775 rebels had seized full control in thirteen British colonies and on July 4, 1776, their Continental Congress declared them to be free and independent states" Wikipedia
Yet by 1777 the "Brits" owned the place again.
No one in the government cares what we think. This place is "Two Minutes of Hate." You pull a gun and try to do something, the media labels you a crazy or child molester, or both, your credibility is shot and the sheep keep on keepin on.
Enjoy your boot.
I would have to disagree about the date 1777. They did own us again but, it was not untill 1913. I do agree with the rest.
You have to look at where seed capital for American industry was sourced, where cultural and economic influence was obtained. These are your true power nodes. Yes the US was not directly under the king, but, by the reign of Victoria neither were the Brits.
Certainly 1913 made things official but if you look past schoolbook history the connection was never really severed, just reorganized.
Out of the frying pan, into the fire! The Yatsenyuk puppet was only just installed, and they're already pillaging the country. Apparently the revolution is incomplete.
IMF has been Jonesing for privatization of Ukrainian public enterprise since at least 2002: http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/pdp/2002/pdp07.pdf02.html
Ukraine set to privatize hundreds of state firms: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/26/us-ukraine-privatisation-idUSB...
Ukraine's government mulling privatization of energy sector: http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/194102.html
We should hear more from PCR here.
shut up we dontes wants nose nazi lovers here.
dat old roland reagan advisor loved ameriga once upon a times.now he loves the enema russkia.
pcr should udderstand ware his bread is butturd on.
we needs to do what dem jewish folks says if we dontes wants to get hurts.
dat tribe been runnin this saturn show since der giants walked der earth you could say day are the devils hench men day worship him and do his bidding.
eye say keep yer heads down and when der jews ask you to bail them in just give dem your monies.
donte cross der tribe
just look what happin to malay folks they upset der jews now they part of operation samson nuke option.
Obama is being run by the Neocons?
WHATACROCKOFSHIT!
This belongs with the alien abduction garbahje.
Of course he is, WTF are you babbling about? What do you think the Syrian operation is? What was South Ossetia? What about Ukraine? The Zionists run banking, media, and finance, what exactly is it that you don't get? You need to see mushroom clouds to understand what is going on?
The Neocons only exist within the Washington beltway, and yes a fair number of them are Jews. George Will among others, is not. I think we agree that the whole Syria/Iran theme is being run by Israel, but Barry and nearly all of his advisers are way left of Lenin. Neocons are boogie men, useful only for the New York metrosexuals to bitch about.
The extremes are like a Mobius vessel.They join where it seems impossible.
In this case, they join at Tel Aviv.
If the Neocons were running things, defense spending would be growing at 25% per year. There would be no Scumbama care, the borders would be sealed, and the ghetto would get a can of beans every other week, if they were lucky.
Half right. The neo cons were socially liberal but interventionist hawks in foreign affairs. So amnesty and big government and welfare were not scary to them. Some of them, and only som, were liberal Jews, ie. not all that observant for the most part.
You'd be half right again if you had said paleo-cons. They'd be for strong military capability and small government and entirely charity based welfare, and against military interventionism.
The confusion about this is a sad thing for the discourse about the direction of our country. Too many of us falling for the alinskyite villification number.
Nice concise analysis TBT.
Sure, this is what you get if you read the Weekly Standard, or National Review, but it's all policy wonk nonsense. No politicians are self identified as Neocons, and there is no grass roots support for it in the Republican Party. Conservatives are extinct among the Dims, so it's not there either. That's my point. This is well funded, position paper stuff, which goes no where, and certainly has nothing to do with Obama or Dim politics.
Well, let's make a definitive reference list of neocons and what makes them so, or give up and just make fun of the term and people who use it.
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dup
dup
We might start with the ones making their way to Las Vegas this weekend to suck Sheldon Adelson's cock in exchange for campaign cash. I don't care what you call them, but when Adelson says jump, they say how high. When adelson says attack Syria or Iran, it will be "yes sir, Mr. Adelson. Whatevery you say Mr. Adelson."
America (what's left of it) For Sale.
Conservatives are extinct in the Republican Party also.
You are correct that no politician "self identifies" as a neocon. But that does not mean that they do not exist as both the Dems and Repubs are basically neocon.
Presidential Administrations are on a continuum and are seamless as there is no basic or radical (which is a redundancy as the words are SYNONYMS) changes.
Billy Crystal and George Will are neocons and have helped to formulate National Policy for decades. The Welfare-Workfare-Warfare State is neocon. The PNAC is the basic format of Policy Plan which has been implemented at the highest levels of the Shadow Government. The players, pawns, are the politicians whom write laws in order for the realization.
There is no basic difference between the Red Team and the Blue Team.
Maybe the question needs be restated as whom in Government is not a neocon? The list will be much shorter and more concise.
Ron Paul was not a neocon.
Dennis Kushinch is not a neocon.
Bernie Sanders is not a neocon.
Ronald Reagan was not a neocon until after he was shot in the chest. Bush ran the White House after that.
How many more? Not many.
neocons would have no problem with obamacare
Unless it ate into the military budget. Case for Goliath says Americans pay for patrolling the NWO.
@Kaiserhoff
You make worthy points and I up-arrowed you. I have enjoyed your comments for a long time and consider myself fairly close to you in ideology. Have you considered that "Neocon" is sort of a handy politically correct catch-all term?
"Metrosexual" kind of hurts my feelings. Unfortunately, I am far too often an asexual bachelor, but never a metrosexual.
No offense meant Vic. I think metrosexual is the new "still in the closet", but who really cares?
Neocon is the the new "I blame Bush." I knew a few of them in DC. Way too close to the military/industrial complex for my taste, but they hate Barry with a purple passion. This wall to wall conspiracy crap gets in the way of rational discussion, but seems to be an unavoidable by-product of the net. At least it's not lame stream forevuh.
I find myself going thru these remarks like a school teacher with a red pen. So, I apologise if I come across as a "corrector"
Having said that. The 'Conspiracy stuff that gets in the way' I find confusing. ZH dabbles in the conspiracy with every other story. Usually a fact base article with a conspirational argument added for flavour. if the conspiracy stuff muddies the water why do you read here?
On Neo-cons, My son asked me the other day what it meant and, I figured Neo means "extremely" Cons> conservative. Extremely Conservative.
They are all names we basically give just to label a way of thinking! What is a leftie? What is a conservative? We all have our own terms of reference for these 'labels' but, we all think everyone has the same terms of reference we have in our own heads based on our personel experiences, biasness and understandings!
Actually, Neo means 'new'. They hybridized that label to separate themselves from the old style conservatives with their skinny ties and ledger books who'd always make a cost argument. They want the US to pay any price to achieve their goals. Which are not US goals.
Their case is for the American Empire as a legal/military structure to impose the neoliberal economic order on the world. That's why The Pentagon's New Map divides the earth into the 'core' and the 'periphery'. Anything not under the NWO is 'out there' and is defined as a threat.
As to conspiracy, just think back to Iraq's WMDs that were an existential threat to our nation. Both Shrub's administration and the MSM knew it was a lie from the beginning. Ignore all the 'We were so wrong!" blather, just look at all the efforts to silence anyone who tried to put our accurate information. You have to redefine the word conspiracy to keep it from applying.
The Cold War 2.0 is just another rhetoric/reality split. They talk lots of honorable abstractions while moving against a sovereign nation which has no threat against us. Pointing out the difference between what they say and what they do is conspiracy mongering? Back in high school civics, that was called citizenship.
But we're no longer citizens, we're consumers, right? /sarc
@Aussie V
You are a valuable poster who has been quoted by some of ZH's most illustrious posters. Please read scraping_by's excellent reply to your post.
You don't have down arrows, yet, because you are such a respected poster.
Cheers mate! I did read his most excellent response and, as usual, learned something! I come here to learn and to read the responses. I 'think' I learn more from the responses than the articles sometimes.
What 'scaping_by' wrote I 'get'.
I understand that a major ingredient for the success of these Elites or whatever we call them to succeed in complete world dominion is, to confuse, alienate, gather into opposing cliques, (politically, morally and intelectually) distract, and propagandise the masses so they are unable to even understand that they are being screwed while they are actually watching themseves being screwed!
Somehow??? we, the normal folk, the ones who can still muster the urge to care, have to organise, and come together to garner some effort against these people who will enslave the world and probably make it uninhabitable.
The challenge is there are only a few awake and we're geographically scattered. That could be an advatange for spreading awareness and sharing alternative informed view points, but many of our neighbours are not only duped they tend to extremely defensive when it comes to considering alternate veiws and information.
Cutting through that defensiveness is a big challenge.
One thing I've learned in my life is, that many people, maybe most, are driven by an insatiable, incredible fear. It is well hidden generally and, even unknown to them but, it is usually their compass and inspired drive with choices in their life.
But, the greatest manifest fear a person experiences is, when you challenge their worldview. When you shake the gates on their belief system. Whatever that may be. I've seen giants tremble when that has happened. And, I've seen it many times!
Thank you for a great response.
If I could write like you, JR would quote me, too!
There are real, plausible, and ridiculous conspiracies, and we have far too much of that here. Conspiracy is an easy escape into the irrational, the mindless, and a retreat from responsibility. We all have to grow up some time. What I object to the all purpose excuse for inaction, or even the responsibility to understand real motives and real actors.
That's too general, but look at the 9/11 nonsense. Some really crazy shit, just never goes away, and on blogs, there is always a market for it. Seems to be a basic flaw in the form. Blogs are not self-correcting or self-monitoring in any real sense, which is probably why their influence is so small.
Which side of 9-11 is the nonsense? The official story is nonsense? Green Arrow.
Or the conspiracy story is nonsense? Red Arrow.
Many of the more... Flamboyant theories are set up and sustained by gov't paid wonks.
Divide and conquer.
Also, it lets the MSM point and laugh at 'conspiracy'. This allows the sheep to feel good about not having to think.
On meta-analysis, you have to admire the brilliance of the control system, despite its malevolent intent.
The Neocons managed to get the best part of a million people killed by way of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria. Clearly those 'existing within the Washington beltway' can have a lot of power. Who cudda guessed?
Libya and Syria were, and remain, Obama administration clusterfucks, at least as far as the American contribution to the ongoing pain in those places. Ditto Egypt. As to the deterioration in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's also on the Obama admin ass clowns, whatever you may think about who is to blame about provoking the western occupations of those two countries.
Any thoughts where you'd like to be holed up when a few container ships with Islamic nukes in them take out a few of our major parts and end our electrical grid with an EMP attack? The death toll would be in the hundreds of millions. The mullahs are going to have nukes. This was the primal fear on the left and the right and the middle post 9-11, and should remain so.
Fully agree, kaiserhoff, that "neocon"=boogeyman in most uses of the word we see today.
As to Syria, there is a sectarian war there that's mirrored inside, and spans also Lebanon and Iraq. Shia vs Sunni. Kurd vs all. A bunch of foreign players with interests in there, mucking things up in all three countries. Israel isn't a major player, except insomuch as their tiny strip of land is the only bastion of western civilisation there and as such enjoys alliances with other powerful western liberal democratic, pluralistic open societies who prefer business over war and bikinis over burkhas.
TBT eat a dick! Try telling the Palestinian people whose land that has been stolen by the illegal Zionist occupation with their 25 ft tall concentration camp wall, outfitted with murderous guard towers manned by a bunch of inbred fuktards that Israel is not a major player! You're either an idiot or an obvious shill!
Remind us why Israel reluctantly built the wall. Start there.
Becuase of all the Palestinians they deported from their homes. The technical term is 'ethnic cleansing.' Ungrateful little buggers wanted to move back home...
Uh huh, the assholes for Allah blowing themselves up in pizza parlors and discos in Israel were trying to get home all right, to their 72 virgins. The wall stopped them doing that right quick, which explains the recourse to launching explosive projectiles instead of explosive death cultists.
It's called mossad sweetie! By way of deception..... well I'm sure you know the rest:-)
So the Intifida was a Mossad thing? Damn, son, you have got it all figured out don't you?
TBT, who blew up the King David Hotel in 1946? Islamics?
That event taught the ME that bombings will advance your cause...
Because their there illegally for one and two look into why Roger Waters calls that wall an apartheid wall! Palestinians shooting a few bottle rockets does not require depleted uranium to be dumped on innocent women and children! TBT son I won't even get started on reminding you or anyone else ignorant enough to believe your drivel. I know how trolls work, and I sure aint gonna engage in comment hijacking for your hasbara friends:-)
Sounds like you done larned yer history good in collidge, in some of those "-studies" courses, or from summa dem protest banners
TBT are you pulling a MDB post? I mean, did you forget to put a "sarc" at the end of your comment?
I am expressing multiple attitudes simultaneously, and it appears there is one in particular that draws fire. There are apparently fools here who find it evident that Israel has a lot to do with the present setup in "Ukraine". It doesn't. But we get treated to a round of Palestinian victimology that's further past it's expiration date than the Democrats' race card. Which is hilarious. And sad. And hilarious.
TBT are you pulling a MDB post? I mean, did you forget to put a "sarc" at the end of your comment?
100% AGREE!!
You must remember that one of the first things that Obama did after being elected was to hand over all raw NSA data, including that collected on Americans, over to Israel without any legal restrictions in March 2009. That was a pure neocon move as was his move to start a war in Syria based on lies about sarin:
NSA feeds raw intelligence data to Israel
By Bill Van Auken13 September 2013
A secret memo provided by former National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden to the British Guardian newspaper reveals that the US spy agency is funneling raw intelligence data, including information from intercepted communications of US citizens, to Israeli intelligence.
“The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens,” the Guardianarticle by Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras and Ewen MacAskill reports.
The undated five-page memo records an agreement reached between the NSA and its Israeli counterpart, the ISNU (Israeli Sigint National Unit), in March 2009, during the first months of the Obama administration.
While insisting that the Israelis operate with deference to the US Constitution and law, the memo adds, “This agreement is not intended to create any legally enforceable rights and shall not be construed to be either an international agreement or a legally binding instrument according to international law.” In other words, in practice ISNU and the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad are free to do as they please.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/09/13/surv-s13.html
Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/10/pers-d10.html
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You are smart to include the text AND links.
To give credit where credit is due, Seymour Hersch, that fine and honorable reporter (in the true meaning of the word) is Jewish.
Too many confuse Jew with Zionist.
And 2000 years ago too many confused Jew with Zealot as the Zionists continue the policies of the ancient Zealots as they are one and the same...looking for power to rule over the Gentile, the goyum, as cattle.
The racism fatigues me.
Most Jews which I know are quite honorable and decent people. They have a guaranteed ticket into heaven. You will be communing with them there when saved by Christ Jesus.
Zealots, on the other hand...are dishonorable and bring shame upon the chosen of God.
@ JustObserving, re: Obama handing over NSA data to Israel
One wonders if Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had some input on that given his history.
"Neo-cons" might better be described as the Zionist DC War Party*. They're not all Jews, not all Christians, not all 'left', not all 'right', not all Republican, not all Democrat, not all 'conservative', not all 'liberal', not all 'progressive.' But the *ZDCWP contains professing elements of all the above. They can work in/with any administration regardless of it's or their professed political party affiliation(The Kagans, the Gates, the Hagels, etc., etc.). Oh yeah, they're not all Zionists either.
In other words what these types publicly profess regarding politcal party or ideological loyalties can be(and usually is) complete bullshit for the rubes.
Does that clear things up any better?
btw, three cheers to PCR for once again telling it like it is.
I logged in just to down vote you TROLL. People are WAY more awake then you think. Everywhere people are opening their eyes. The Internet is working against these criminals and making douchbags like you look like,,, well a douchbag.
These threads get so long, hard to see which troll to whom you reply.
All wars are bankers wars!
Indeed! There weren't any world wars before the creation of the federal reserve.
Saw that posted a few days ago - was going to repost it here. Simple and obvious when brought to our attention.
^ for you.
"Napoleon" is a pack of lies then. So were the Muslim conquests, the roman conquests, the Greek conqueats, the Persian conquests. There was no Hannibal or Khan, no Vikings. Can't have been. No Fed at the time. QED
How many other severeign countries were fighting with napolean and france? France and who else with him conquered Europe? How many national armies were on the battlefields at any one time during the Roman conquests? Rome allied with who to capture half the world? As I recall, there were like 30 allied counties in WW2 and about 23 Axis powers (my numbers may be low, I am going from memory)
Let's see, in the world scale wars I mentioned, news and armies travelled scarcely faster than one could walk. Napoleon conquered all of Europe pretty damn fast nevertheless. They also had bankers and currency shenanigans and price fixing schemes and trade competition back then.
mentioning napoleon, are you aware that he was behind creation of central bank of france, giving control of it to his backers?
The definition of "world" has become more encompassing since the time of the Persians and the Greeks and the Romans.
Did they know of China?
Perhaps World War One was not truly a World War, to the same extent as World War Two.
Indeed.
You are an idiot.
There were a number of wars that were much larger and more devestating than WW1 and 2 prior to the creation of the Fed Reserve.
Never hear of the Golden Horde, Gengis Khan, Attila the Hun, Timurlane, the Hundred Years War etc?
They all involved a far greater part of the worlds land area as battlefields than WW1 and caused a higher death toll (percentage wise) than either of the World Wars.
Every thing in the state.
Nothing outside the state.
Nothing against the state.
jb
Not that I disagree with everything PCR is saying but he's definitely right about Harper being a US puppet and, as a Canadian, I hate that guy. Unfortuantely via senile old people and voter fraud he got a majority.
Yes cause the Libs and NDP would be better.
Wake up FFS!
Canada we don't have a choice. They are all the same.
Well duh... it's the majority aspect that is a "majority" of the problem.
We're still talking about Canada?
Highlighting his Neo-Nazi political moves, the Canadian PM will continue his unconditional embrace of Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk’s unelected government.
Adolf Harper’s immediate and enthusiastic support for the openly fascist takeover of a people’s bid for democracy is treated by the press as normal, with both Canada’s opposition parties supporting the overt commitment to neo-fascism.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/canada-pays-lip-service-to-ukraine-neo-nazi...
This is out right treason and should be condemned as such by all Canadians.
.......
A Canadian.
Too right; I went to the liqour store today (as is my wont) and at the checkout was asked "Would you like to donate a dollar to the people of Ukraine?"
Of course I said "No thank you." and the lady said "Yeah I know its stupid but I'm supposed to ask."
This is what passes for crowdfunding in Harpers Canada.
Paul Craig Roberts is one of those very few courageous American public figures like Ron Paul who are not afraid of speaking truth to those in power. As George Orwell put it, in a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
After claiming he had opposed the Iraq war, Obama sought to justify its conduct and outcome, claiming, “even in Iraq, America sought to work within the international system. We did not claim or annex Iraq’s territory. We did not grab its resources for our own gain. Instead, we ended our war and left Iraq to its people in a fully sovereign Iraqi state that can make decisions about its own future.”
The truth is that the war in Iraq was the greatest crime—up to now—committed in the 21st century. More than a million Iraqis lost their lives as a result of the US invasion and occupation, and Iraq was destroyed as a functioning society. The Bush administration openly declared that the Geneva Conventions and international law did not apply either to the war in Iraq or the previous conquest and occupation of Afghanistan, a position that the Obama administration continues to uphold.
Obama seeks to rally the world against the supposed crimes of Russia in Crimea, in which, as of this writing, two people have been killed (one Ukrainian soldier and one Russian), while opposing any prosecution of the American war criminals responsible for the immense bloodbath visited upon the people of Iraq.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/03/27/obam-m27.html
And let's not forget the about 2 million children killed in Iraq by American sanctions as revealed by CIA Iraq analyst and whistleblower Susan Lindauer - even Madeline Albright agreed that 500,000 children had been killed by sanctions by May 1996 ( as Susan Lindauer points out, UN only counted the deaths of children under the age of 5 in that 500,000 figure) and many died later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo
She (Susan Lindauer) opposed the Iraq sanctions which had killed 1.7 to 2.1 million people.
http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/video-susan-lindauer-on-advance...
Just to put +1 more to ya cause one wasn't enough.
I like PCR's stuff, but Obama is taking orders from Neocons?
95% of politicians are bought and paid for by banksters. They do what they are told to do, or the MSM (that they own) take them down. Or they simply get suicided.
My point above, exactly.
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The point is, that on the International stage, at least,
Obama is acting like a Neocon.
Yup, pulling out of Iraq without leaving a base so iran can have their way, supporting the Muslim brotherhood overthrow of Egypt, leading from behind. So very "neocon", unless "neocon"=bad people, and then I'm with you.
Right. Bankers have bought all the world's leaders (95% according to you) and presumably all the MSM, and if they don't do what they're told, the bankers will kill them. Right.
Have you ever stepped back and really given a good think to how ridiuculous that is?
Of course it's ridiculous. Which probably explains why I never heard anybody here saying it.
PCR is a loon.
How the hell he fails to mention Woodrow Wilson's handling of the end of WWI as partial cause of WWII makes this guy every bit the propagandist he's accusing everyone else of being.
"openly lied on Canadian TV that Russian President Putin had invaded Crimea," I'm sorry, what? Russia didn't go into Crimea? LOL
Russia has had a significant presence in Crimea for over 2 centuries and Crimea was a part of Russia until given to Ukraine by Khruschev.
You are trying to equate "invasion" with your own phrase "go into Crimea". You are just about as disingenuous as they come.
If I give or sell you something and then break into your house and take it back, please don't call me a burglar or a thief, for what I gave you had been mine before it was yours, after all.
The Crimean referendum had an 83.1% voter turnout of which 96.77% voted to join Russia. The Sevastopol referendum had an 89.5% voter turnout of which 95.6% voted to join Russia. EODE observation concluded that the referendum was conducted fairly. There was no bloodshed and no rioting in the aftermath, indicating contentedness. The Crimean people simply exercised their free will peacefully. How, in your mind, does this constitute "theft"? By your definition, what then was the American War of Independence? An event where Americans defined their own fate, and in a considerably more bloody manner I might add. How terrible! Britain deserves its territory back! Theft! That is your opinion, unless you're a raging hypocrite that is. [ps: if you think that people like JB and me have a hard-on for a crook like Putin, then you're mistaken. The red team is full of crooks and so is the blue team, man up and oppose them both].
Perhaps this is closer:
If I give you a daughter in marriage, then you become a drug addict and start selling everything to get a fix and then threaten my daughter, then don't call a thief for taking back what I have given you.
Not to mention that China owns 16% of the FED bank system through Bank of China. Oh well, PCR is a collapse-a-tarian like Schiff & Celente. Good grief, the US hasn't even monitized the Grand Canyon yet.
I just finished reading "Wilson" by A. Scott Berg. The poor guy was set up from day one. Lots of facts that I hadn't been aware of, and lots of between the lines stuff.
Either Wilson was an idiot,
an ivory tower academic,
or just making excuses for being a puppet.
I think that Stephan Harper's reaction to events in Crimea has more to do with the Quebec separatist movement than his relationship with Wasington. He knows that if the world accepts the Crimean referendum that they will also accept a Quebec referendum.
Question- Would you rather have
1- A Liberal government
2- A conservative government
3- syphilis
Answer- Syphilis. Because it can be cured.
There is a cure for bad government as well........
"There is a cure for bad government as well........
Not so far, I'm 70. It's always worse after every presidential election year.
LOL! Good one, thanks.
new guy
That's an interesting take. We visited Montreal for a month last June (and I have been to various places in Canada over the years). I can see how inconvenient it would be should Quebec secede. Why even the Quebecois in some cases are intolerant (of Muslims)!
Can't have that and all.
@DoChen
I envy your Montreal visit. Canada has such a high per capita of brilliant recording artists. Several of my favorite recording artists are Canadian, e.g. Ingrid StPierre, Coeur de Pirate, and Basia Bulat. The first 2 are Quebecois, I believe. Basia Bulat is Polish-Canadian. I hope that you had a chance to investigate the music scene up there.
Only a tiny bit. And I only heard a Leonard Cohen just once the whole time we were there. We really enjoyed Montreal, one of the world's nicest cities. Thanks for the names, I'll look into them and send them to my wife as well.
I think the down arrows are for me going off topic. Sorry to get you junked.
Thanks for reply!
You're welcome. No, I have earned my junks, hardly anyone identifies themselves though junking me...