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Far-Right Gains In French Election As Hollande's Socialists Admit "Unquestionably A Defeat"
A week after initial votes showed the far-right anti-Euro National Front party gaining ground in French municipal elections, it appears the ongoing disappointment in the ruling Socialists is increasing (amid record joblessness).
- *FAR RIGHT MAKES FURTHER GAINS IN FRENCH MUNI ELECTIONS
- *MOSCOVICI SAYS TODAY'S ELECTIONS 'UNQUESTIONABLY A DEFEAT'
- *MOSCOVICI SAYS IT'S 'DIFFICULT TO REFORM FRANCE'
These are the first nationwide elections in France since Hollande took office and point to rather concerning lack of support for his party and his policies (and the core of the EU); but a record high 38.5% of votes abstained suggesting major apathy as the country's north-south divide grows.
Defeat for Hollande...
France's governing Socialist Party (PS) and its allies have suffered heavy losses in the second round of the country's municipal elections, exit polls show.
President Francois Hollande's PS lost control of the northeastern city of Reims and the southwestern city of Pau and the western city of Quimper, among others, an Ipsos poll for French television predicted.
But a potentially concerning rise in nationalist fervor...
The main winner was the centre-right Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) but the far-right National Front also consolidated its first-round gains, picking up the southern towns of Frejus and Beziers, the projections showed.
Which seems to be splitting the nation...
Mayoral candidates linked to the National Front won mayoral races in the southern towns of Beziers and Frejus, while the anti-European Union party failed in its goal of winning races in larger cities such as Perpignan and Avignon, according to exit polls.
The gains by the National Front in 36,000 French municipalities on March 23 reflect discontent with Hollande after 22 months in office... as his promise to 'fix' joblessness is not going well...
Perhaps Hollande should have banned Twitter and YouTube also (for the last 2 years)...
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Perhaps a nice little war will fix the joblessness...
Cut out the middle man, kill the unemployed.
Maybe another old colony has some valuable resource, and needs "democracy" at gunpoint.
Umm...three awesome comments above that are "not awesome" if true.
Any move by Putin into Ukraine proper will put France at great risk en toto.
First off they'll lose out on all those weapon contracts. Second they're stuck with a huge and obsolete electrical generation fleet. Third they 're bogged down in Chad.
I think the English have already placed their bets on this one and are siding with the Russians if what I read in the Telegraph is true.
Unlike Iraq and Afghanistan which "paid for themselves"(?) however this one might be the gift that keeps giving.
Why are there never any "Far Left Gains"?
Oh yes, not in the New York Times style manual, so it does not exist.
Or as Sarte said, there is no enemy on the left. (Showing true colors.)
Loss of socialists in France. Peak libtards? Can we have that in the US?
Why are there never any "Far Left Gains"?
Why are there never any "People have been overcome with Common Sense" stories? Why is it always radical left or radical right? I thought those were "minoritites".
this is a good comment too. "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice" but in defense of one's nation or "national interest" it could be.
All I try and do for all you naysayers out there is try and understand the other point of view. Sometimes "what they're doing makes all too much sense." This is not say I agree with it.
"Many things appear a mystery to me" and more often than not I prefer that remain the case.
What I did read in the WaPo is that Putin's call "came as a surprise to the White House" and "they were hesitant to take the call."
Hmmmmm. Are we not talking to the Russians at all? If not...why not...and "to whom are we talking"? Certainly not the folks who are going to offer up a fanatical resistance.
I don't like France. Don't give a flying crap what they do or don't do.
That's it. That's all I got.
Perfectly acceptable.
Some of their coffee is good though.
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Nice work!
Thank you. I appreciate you grading me on a curve. That was a B+ post at best, by my estimation.
gitane cigarettes are coo too...
Not knowing anything about french politics, I am left to wonder if they define "Far Right", like the american media, as Constitutionalist or if they use the classic European definition of National Socialists(As opposed to International Socialists on the "Moderate Left")
Why is it always radical left or radical right?
Consider the source. "Right" "Left" is a false dichotomy meant to divide and confuse the more important moment between Liberty and tyrany.
Left, Right, who gives a shit? The fleecing will continue unabated.
Love that Sartre quote! He was a real bull-shitter but a smart one.
But it's not Sartre instead some obscure Russian.
Typical demonization of the criminal western media. If you are anti open borders, anti EU, anti NWO and zio then you are far right.
Awesome!
Did the article really say 36,000 municipalities?
No wonder they're not getting anywhere.
A true nightmayor.
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VIVE LE REVOLUTION!!1
They have three months to look for jobs before spending all of July in the Pyrenees and the Alps cheering on doped-up bikerfags. Then back to business as usual.
Same left/right teeter-totter as here in the U.S.S.A.
Meanwhile, immigrants legal and illegal stream in to suckle off the public teat while being used as 21st century slave labor and the corporations are propped and bailed out at the public expense.
This all could go on for decades - while in the shadows the banks and banksters get richer while bribing and controlling .gov and the middle class shrinks.
how exactly can immigrants be doing "slave labor" AND "suckling off the public teat" at the same time? They ARE the public teat based on what I see around me...
Immigrant suck off the SNAP, earned-income-credit, and emergency-room-health-care tits. WIC and more are possible too. Lets see them get those south of the boarder.
They can do both. Cash jobs under the table and get almost EVERY free public benefit going. I have seen Mexicans et al with WIC and EBT cards but certain stuff is not covered. They pull out a big roll of cash to pay for that stuff. Any benefit you can name - they can get it including social security disability. True.
I once employed an Asian PhD from a very good U.S. school who I found out was moving from job to job to avoid paying taxes. He was working as a contractor. This went on for a month until I dropped a 1099 on his ass and he freaked out. He was buying crappy duplexes and loading them up with illegals too. He figured once he had a few he could stop working. If he could engage in slavery to take it easy - he would.
Well, allow more North Africans and Eastern Europeans to come into the country....
Same will happen during the Belgium Elections.
People are sick of all those immigrants that flock all the cities.
In 10 years time crime skyrocketed over here, 1/4 is from outside Belgium and they're getting pretty agressive.
All the stories when they claim their free money znd free housing would make even the most saint of man pissed.
This week, a jewellers wife shot two of those goddamn robbers over here.
The robbers inbreds are protesting....
http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1607874
and they are laughing at us white 'faggots' giving all away to them for free. as an american living in europe, they respected me (not that i'm happy about this) because we 'kick ass'. they just laugh at europeans. white man's burden? it's funny. it's sad. they gave europe away. US isn't far behind now.
We kick ass, Putin kicks ass, yup. Everyone kicks ass, except the 'Europeans', until we catch up and start killing Europeans.
+1 million
American ex-pat in north Africa here. Before I got here I was in the bleeding-heart camp.
After 15 months my eyes are open and I am awake.
Tell us more.
Sometimes wonder what is wrong with our Society. Even the Romans were not stupid enough to finance the barbarians that were destroying their Empire. Political Correctness is a mental illness.
Too many of us spend too much time complaining of the financial costs, (which are relevant) rather than the social costs to this attitude. Imposing guilt on those who did work hard to get ahead while rewarding those that do not is the ultimate in destructive behavior. Besides the fact that those who typically receive these rewards despise those who contributed them. If there are those who advance themselves through criminal behavior, they should be punished, not taxed. Our governments are funding themselves (what's not borrowed or printed) through the taxation of vice and therefore have no interest is ending it. They would like to believe that they can manipulation society with their social engineering and not suffer the consequences of the moral hazards they have created. They are wrong.
I still think European and some elections are legit. American elections are rigged. The problem for European nations is they can make some changes and improvements but the criminal EU will not allow the nations to stop criminal open borders invasion.
Just an observasion but
Here in england never ending tidal waves of immigrants flood the citys.
Its got to a stage now that in some parts of country we are now the minority.
Yep free welfare for them here too plus have kids and get paid even more !
Rapes..murders..thefts ect
What i dont understand is WHY would a goverment or royal family would want to do this to their own country ? and to their own childrens future and heritage.
I cant believe its for the money ( paper illusion )
So wtf are they allowing it ? They cant be that dense can they ?
It's because you Brits charge too much by the hour for your labor. All same same as here in the US. They do it for the profits of the Corporations.
"Far-right" means "anti-Euro" in politics...I personally prefer "Pro-common sense" to either...
www.TopTheNews.com
I've noticed in the news, there is no 'conservative', only far right; and there is no left, and certainly no far-left, only liberal or progressive. The terms used betray the media bias. And of course anyone who wants control of their own country's borders is a "xenophobe".
I see zero functional difference between progressivism and fascism; only the suits differ.
Wow they do not sound like real socialists to me! I have never heard of socialists admitting truth. Perhaps things are very very bad for them over there....OR they were never REAL socialists to begin with.
The 'far right' or the 'lefties', yeah. Populism, fascism, communism. Stupid French. They should vote for the 'middle' aka corporatism.
I find the French a curious people.
If only they would accept their place in society and try and focus on France and not places line Libya and Ukraine they might be able to accomplish something.
Then again they're french so they need a nap and a cigarette break before doing either.
I fully agree. They have never recovered from being relegated to second division.
And your argument goes perfectly well for the next country to follow the same path.
It is sometimes best to remain humble and sort you own affairs out, before you start on others.
Well they are still at it but the USSA with their mascot the UK still accel at blowing up and murdering people in little countries if those little countries have Shit That The USSA Can Steal. Oil, gold, put the people into Red Shield central bank and IMF control serfdom.
The French military got royally sold out like the USSA military in places like Indo China and Algeria. The US soldiers then get F over by LBJ in his war for riches and his MIC contractor pals in Vietnam.
LePen's dad was in the thick of it as a French paratrooper officer in Algeria which was a nasty war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen
I think one basis for the father starting the party was the French people being F'ed over by the French elites. Sound familiar?
I find the French a curious people.
If only they would accept their place in society and try and focus on France and not places line Libya and Ukraine they might be able to accomplish something.
Then again they're french so they need a nap and a cigarette break before doing either.
Corsican referendum on independence in 5....4....3....
the MoneyChangers construct is falling apart on many fronts...
it appears that in Ukraine someone has taken on the character of Darth Vader and is goin to run for the presidency in the upcoming election...urnarveling...
keep stackin...
So, in France, the far-right would be roughly equivalent to our Progressive Democrats?
Well, no, Marine Le Pen's Party wants to stop immigration, control imports, leave the euro and, as The Economist writes, "wreck the European Union."
The Economist believes the rise of Ms. Le Pen is a warning not just to Paris but also to Brussels. Writes The Economist:
"Populist parties, mostly but not solely on the far right, are on the march across Europe, from the UK Independence Party in Britain to the Finns Party in Finland, and from Geert Wilders's PVV in the Netherlands to Alexis Tsipras's Syriza in Greece...voters are disenchanted not just with euro-induced austerity but also with a European Union that seems to get more remote and less accountable even as it becomes more intrustive. If Europe's leaders cannot reconnect with their citizens, Ms. Le Pen's success will be just a start."
Wreck the EU - she has my vote. I wish her all the best and safety.
The EU and Europe play for keeps and politicians not towing the line have a way of getting killed: Pim Fortyun, Jorg Haider, Olaf Palme, Anna Lindh.
Other than that Marine is a socialist. Of the nationalist flavor. Hollande and company are socialists of the nominally internationalist flavor. They're both statists.
The issues are very different over there so I'm not sure equivalents are going to be feasible. For example, with immigration, few European countries see themselves as melting pots awaiting contributions from other European countries, let alone Tunisia or Turkey; ethnic discrimination in employment is rampant. Juan's chance of landing a job in Utah is much higher than Mohammed's chance in Paris. Stopping immigration completely is not even on the menu in mainstream US politics, while it is very much so in Europe; open borders with everyone getting a path to citizenship is on the menu in the US, but not in Europe.
What does that say about the level of control in the US vs Euro? Europe is always ahead of us on style issues like immigration. A backlash is coming.
In Europe anti-socialist movements are being interpreted as anti-banker, or as the Church says, “a mortal danger to families, child sexual orientation, and humanity.”
Culture Wars reports on the socialists' dilemma in an article its March 2014 issue, Woody Allen and the Double Standard:
“After the most recent of a long line of anti-gay marriage protests, Interior Minister Manuel Valls warned that ‘somber forces’ were at work in France. The anti-gay marriage demonstrations were converging with the anti-Jewish demonstrations.
“M. Valls is upset: ‘We are witnessing a union of extremes, never before seen in France… [Last week] was the first time for a long time that people have screamed their hatred of Jews in the street. A block of protest is forming, a rebellion which is anti-elite, anti-state, anti-tax, anti-parliament, anti-press… but also, and above all, anti-Semitic, racist and homophobe.’ …
“Unfortunately for the regime, M. Valls’ attempt at smear tactics isn’t having the desired effect…
…The Jewish support for gay marriage has created its political opposite: radical Catholics who now hold the Jews responsible for the moral corruption they have spread through France.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frances-politics-o-hatred-move-towards-traditional-family-values-risks-being-hijacked-by-antisemites-and-homophobic-nationalists-9102851.html
living in France, I see the FN distribute inflamatory leaflets with burning cars etc on the cover, saying 'France for the French', '4 million Foreigners out', and other nationalist slogans often used. Their support is huge. Even amongst some immigrant communities ?!??! [paradox if ever there was one]. Classic scapegoating tactics for a failing society, huge unemployment, low paid jobs, mega taxes at every level, anti-entrepeneurial, aprox 50% people work for the state as 'functionaires' and revel in goverment inefficiencies and perks. Corruption locally, nationally, and with Europe. [The ex minister responsible for finance busted with swiss accounts stuffed with taxpayer cash, etc]. The lot. So, as a consequence the FN is seen as an 'antidote', because it has fewer links with big business. However it is a nasty, racist, zenophobic, homophobic,antisemitic organisation. And doesnt even hide this. The usual for a far right political group, gaining votes from the ignorant and disposessed, the stupid, and the desperate. France has a huge number of muslims from ex-empire and colonies, and racial tension is always a hornets nest. The rabid anti-semite dieudonne has huge following here, and is fanning the flames, mixing religion divisions into daily politics for his own pocket. All the people really need to do is wake up and smell the crony capitalism and multinational corruption, and target the real enemy..... but that is unlikely. Deals are regularly struck which defraud the french taxpayer and profit personal friends of the president, such as EDF selling a national nuclear recyling center to Bouyges [telecom] then changing the law to allow 12 other countries to use the facility, with the massive increased profit that entails as well as hugely increasing the km's travelled by nuclear waste [from national to international].... i could go on for hours, but dont want to labor the point.......
So which is more "inflammatory", distributing leaflets showing burning cars or actually burning the cars?
Your bias is plain to see.
+1
Always loved Bazza's posts over at the UK Telegraph which I used to like. Amrbose Evans-Pritchard sold out to the hysterical anti-Putin pro-USSA crowd.
In spite of your location, your criticisms seem to be favoring the Establishment in that Le Pen and her party are targeting the one piece of the Establishment that needs to go: Membership in the European Union.
If there isn’t meaningful opposition to Third World immigration coming into Europe, then the European middle class that built the highly significant European civilization will be wiped out forever. Le Pen and others are frantically opposing such efforts of cultural erasure by globalist insiders such as George Soros.
“A global open society,” Soros stresses, “requires affirmative action on a global scale.”
People dumping on the France and France - these people will go to the streets and they will tear shit up too. Americans will not and if they do they will get their heads slammed in by 21 century police froces that look like the army.
Americans were taught a lesson back during The Bonus Army beatdown done by scumbags Patton, McArthur, and Ike.
This article is no longer available on The Independent's site.
Information censorship is alive and well, Welder, and the removal of this article from The Independent is proof.
The Woody Allen article to which I referred may be available later in its entirety on Culture Wars. In the meantime, here’s the Culture War link for its March issue.:
The March 2014 issue of Culture Wars features:
• E. Michael Jones on Woody Allen and the Double Standard
• Michael Timmons on The Athlete as Revolutionary: Spartacus and American Sports
• Robert D. Hickson on Who Controls our Borders?
http://www.culturewars.com/
I too wonder how far right they really are? If they truly are far right, it's funny how the sheep move from one extreme to other. In the US there no longer is a far left, or even a true progressive left as everything has shifted to the right since the 1960's or 70's. The corporate media has done their job well.
Here in the US we have people who believe Obama is a socialist when he's done everything his fascist corporate owners have asked of him and nothing for labor or the working class. Many on this board are likely in this camp. But if you really look at it, he's about like Bush without the Cheney total asshole factor. The owners of the US wouldn't allow a president who might rock the boat a little, let alone one they didn't own outright.
The Zionists work to destroy the family unit as per their documents. "Two and Half Men", just read the title, says it all. It's an agenda, a world policy. I never wished to discover this as I am speaking out about and losing friends left and right, but look at the continual lies, they never end and the wars never end and who is behind it in plan view?
Some people have not yet awakened. Often too much truth all at once will only cause the people you are trying to awaken to run straight back into the arms of our overlords.
You have to do it subtly, just as they have done. Little bits at a time, little bits. When in a small business talk about taxes and the government impeding free commerce. When at the shooting range talk about 2nd amendment rights and defending your family.
When at work keep it clean, but drop little tidbits here and there. Don't go full-blown anti-kike, but do talk about oligarchs (after a time) and bankers and politicians holding ALL OF US down. Talk in terms of unity and solidarity.
W74 knows a little 37F.
Arguments turn people off. To win people over to your side you have to identify with them first as human beings, then as friends and comrades in the same struggle. Now you have credibility and influence and a bond. Bend, but don't break.
Anyone remember when Charlie Sheen finally got in trouble? His whole family had Santa Moncia/Hollywood sainthood as Martin Sheen would play his Irish Catholic roots and the Mexican roots. Not a bad actor but a phony. When his spolied brat goof ball son named the real name of the exec producer of the show - then Charlie got in hot water with Hollywood.
"Here in the US we have people who believe Obama is a socialist when he's done everything his fascist corporate owners have asked of him and nothing for labor or the working class. "
In practice there's very little difference between fascism and socialism... just a little bit of rhetoric. Stalin and Hitler got along just fine for a few years.
One is a flavor of the other. Chocolate ice cream and vanilla ice cream are both ice cream. Communism and fascism are both forms of socialism, just different flavors of socialism which is a flavor of dictatorship.
In the US there no longer is a far left, or even a true progressive left as everything has shifted to the right since the 1960's or 70's. The corporat4e media has done their job well.
WTF? Are we talking about the same United States? When I was in the military, you could not get a security clearance if you were a communist. Now, it's probably hard to get one if you AREN'T a socialist.
Major Hassan murders 13 (?) people on Texas army base (Fort Bliss or Ft Hood?) and he is treated with kid gloves and is still alive but paralyzed.
No guns for the soldiers on base except this Islamist. If I had been the MP - I would have emptied my sidearm in that MF'er Hassan or my M-16. I would have reloaded too and kept firing.
When the colonel came up and said that I was going to get court martialed for finishing off that piece of shit - I would have said "go for it colonel."
The National Front (FN) is basically middle ground.
And honestly, I don't see France as having a better party than FN.
As if Bush and Cheney are conservative. Retarded.
*MOSCOVICI SAYS IT'S 'DIFFICULT TO REFORM FRANCE'
Nothing to compare reforming Moscovici
Moscovici is checkmated by the ENA statist economy that has lived off the tax spiggot and the Euro$ debt spiggot.
And the current Oligarchy control of the world economy has the Euro statists by the nuts as all the private banks are virtually in default and living off the real economy; aka savings and taxes; the same spiggots that feed the state spending. Not enuff deck chairs on the Titanic when the music stops.
The whole Euro structure is surrogate to Pax Americana as the euro currency is subservient to global banking debt, that is Rosemary's baby of the greenback monopoly.
Now the US MIC has to choose between war and deflation. And Germany has to choose to be the bitch of banking debt or the witch of Gazprom Vampire's ball.
These guys in France don't count any more than Daladier (or Chamberlain- like Cameron), just like back in the 1930s.
The capitalist crisis has a fuse that the FED would like to kick around for thirty years to save its hegemony.
But Chindia and Russia may have other ideas, as may the Oligarchs when the blood letting starts on the Titanic.
The fight between people and crony baloney Oligarchy owned politicians will start in the surrogate nations of the Pax Americana construct; aka in Japan, in Eurozone and in the soft underbelly of the Oil patch; where all it takes is a stray match...to start the fireworks.
Calling Gavrilo Princip...
I think you mean fascist where you said capitalist. They are very different.
Come next election in 2016, I'm writing in "Fuck All Of You Assholes" for POSident.
Thanks, I appreciate the support.
...meanwhile in the US Americans get ready for Bush 3.0 era:
Influential Republicans working to draft Jeb Bush into 2016 presidential race
(The Washington Post)
Well, if we can rely on anyone to help the GOP it's the WaPo. They'd never run any speculative sotry suggesting something which the rank and file would despise.
Ron Paul truly was the last hope for America. That opportunity, it seems, has passed.
No. To borrow a phrase from the other side, We are the chance we've been waiting for. Do with that what you will but your reward will depend on your efforts.
(1) Anyone who isn't as far to the Laft as you can get, is considered Far Right in Europe; and
(2) It's hard to "reform" anything from the Left, when the Left is the problem. Which it is most places.
I'm in the camp that its oligarchy thats the problem. We've got a media that tells us that our taxes are better spent on corporate subsidy than healthcare or anything that might benefit the people. The people for their part see democracy as being nothing but a pantomime that serves up the same bullshit whether "right" or "left" get in to power.
The idea that governments should work for the benefit of the people isn't communist, its common sense. Governments, if functioning correctly, are the only thing that could prevent international companies treating the average joe like a fucking slave.
The oligarchy cannot take your loot by force legally each year.
No banker or corporation has been able to take power. Politicians have been able to sell it. Bankers financed the deal with a hefty commission. They are all part of the problem. The people being intellectually lazy and pathetically indifferent is the final piece. Like sports, you cannot fire the team. The people stay. Everyone else needs to go.
So Euro is up and I guess the CAC will be up 50 overnight on this news?
CAC gaps up LOL Dow up 50 when will this bollox end?
Wow the whole market just gapped up huge!
So the CAC gaps up on the biggest ever turn out in history for the National Front !LOL
Immigrant suck off the SNAP, earned-income-credit, and emergency-room-health-care tits. WIC and more are possible too. Lets see them get those south of the boarder.
Speaking of " a record high 38.5% of votes abstained suggesting major apathy"~
See the USA in yer recalled government motor voter Chevrolet, 5 M so far and counting.
Half the eligible voters register, half the registered voters vote.
Meaning 0 was elected by <13% of eligible American voters, not the 51.1% reported by MSM
Dire Straits Consequences:
http://bit.ly/1joPVGR
November 2014 could get interesting
Next up... surrender!
Can't escape the 'cultural enrichment' of rapes and murders that these' ahem' new citizens bring even here in Ireland, soon to be renamde Nigeria on the north Athlantic, every time I return home these days despite having the most focked economy in the world, been the number 1 indebted country (hey we're no 1 at something) the only talk is about 'gay marriage' abortion and enthusia, hard to believe that 60 sixty years ago europeans actually fought a war albeit created by the chosen tribe that you cannot mention. Some things however never change the French are the first to surrender and they're still arrogant despite it.
Srul Hersch Moscovici (Serge Moscovici, Serghey Moscovici), is a Jewish Bolshevik born in Romania in 1925. Him and his comrades blessed us, Romanians, with Communism. His son, Pierre Moscovici, continues his father's work in France. Apparently, the French electorate is just as unqualified for voting as any other.
Anything to the right of the decades of socialist/communist politics in France is now labeled as "far right."
France does not matter? No matter who rules nominally, it is the culture and history that stirs the Gauls as they stand today (Viva la France;they have forgotten just why; oh yes, the Huns made us this way). Better you try not to think of Germany (it's has own kind of rot, but orderly rot, unless you open a skull or two and the mush runs out all over your shoes), Italy (not really a state, but a collection of bad neighborhoods) That leaves Spain, Portugal, and Greece which are being acquired by Disneyland as a last attempt to restart the economies of the EU. Ireland? It has had gay marriage for centuries, and just found out it was questionable for certain religions.