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German Executives Denounce EU/US Leaders Over Russia Confrontation
With at least 300,000 German jobs dependent on business relations with Russia, it is hardly surprising that, as Reuters reports, several top German executives have criticized the strategy of the U.S. and Europe in dealing with Russia fearing the consequences for their businesses. On the heels of Siemens CEO's comments (as we noted here) that "you don’t want to sanction anyone you depend on,” a number of other senior German executives have commented that that great change could be achieved if the West cooperated with Russia rather than being confrontational. Deutsche Post's Appel summed it up, "Since we don't have major sources of raw materials in Europe, we will always be dependent on others... and it seems questionable to me whether dependence on the Middle East or Venezuela would be better than that on Russia."
Russia is Germany's 11th biggest commercial partner, with trade reaching 76.5 billion euros ($105 billion) last year, according to the trade association Ost Ausschuss.
Many companies are worried about losing out on business if further sanctions take effect. Some 300,000 German jobs are linked to business there and Europe's biggest economy depends on Russia for 35 percent of its gas.
But more executives are concerned that the West's confrontations with Putin will have unintended consequences...
Steelmaker ThyssenKrupp's Chief Executive Heinrich Hiesinger told daily newspaper Die Welt that the events of the past had shown that great change could be achieved if the West cooperated with Russia rather than being confrontational.
"Now we have a situation in which Russia feels that its back is against the wall," he said in an article published on the paper's website on Saturday.
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"Many German companies that invested in Russia last year or wanted to build production sites there have now given up their plans or put them on ice," Bernd Hones, Economic Correspondent at economic development agency Germany Trade & Invest in Moscow, told weekly paper Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung.
He added that German corporations had the impression that Russian industrial firms did not think it politically appropriate to do business with German companies.
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Some non-industrial German companies, such as retailer Metro and drugmaker Stada have said they would continue to invest in Russia as long as threatened G7 sanctions do not disrupt business.
Herbert Hainer, chief executive of sporting goods maker Adidas, told Die Welt that he believed the West waited too long to start talks with Putin when tensions between Russia and Ukraine rose.
"We should ask ourselves if someone like Putin shouldn't have been part of the process much earlier, instead of holding off with talks until it's too late," he said.
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Eckhard Cordes, head of Germany's Committee on Eastern European Economic Relations, warned that some trade with Russia could shift to China if Europe turned its back on Russian gas.
"Russia would find new sales markets in China if Europe limited its energy imports," he told Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung, adding such a development could not be in Europe's interest.
But German politicians are not amused...
Siemens CEO Joe Kaeser acted “a bit off-key” by meeting Putin in Moscow on March 26 to discuss business ties, ARD television quotes Economy and Energy Minister Sigmar Gabriel as saying in interview today.
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Gabriel added that they must avoid impression that European values, including inviolability of borders, are for sale
But perhaps they should listen to Deutsche Post's CEO's comments:
"Since we don't have major sources of raw materials in Europe, we will always be dependent on others," Appel said.
"And it seems questionable to me whether dependence on the Middle East or Venezuela would be better than that on Russia."
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"you don’t want to sanction anyone you depend on,”
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Of course the German Executives are angered; Russia is a huge trade partner. They do not appreciate the Nulanders fucking up the business environment to carry on their shabby agendas.
"They do not appreciate the OCHOOMA fucking their business environment"
There, fixed it for ya...
"Fuck the EU." (Remember that one?)
"Yeah, fuck you right back, America" seems to be the underlying message from Europe.
This administration's behavior can't be fully explained by incompetence. Even incompetent people arrive at the right asnwer by accident occasionally.
Ooooookay, so this is what the oligarch soros meant Germany brought in line...
or this is germany's response after getting a 'negative' to the question of whether ukraine's gold was being sent to them
Obama is in Saudi Arabia right now having his knuckles wrapped. If Oatar's gas gets through Syria to Europe, Germany will tell the Russians to fuck off. Its a big "if" though and one that should keep Obama up all night.
Why would Germany tell Russia to "fuckoff" ? There's more business through that route than just the gas. Russia is a far larger country, and population than Quatar.
It was shorted to China, didn't you see last week's chart?
Oh, my bad. That was MH370 gold.
Wrong gold, Ukraine gold was the week before.
Did you see that chart?
Who's up next?
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=4614
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Obama’s Ukraine Fiasco Will Trigger US-EU Economic Ruin…As expected, there is a deep power conflict between the industrials and the fascist financials. Hopefully the voice of the industrials will be strong enough to reduce the tensions and bring some good old common sense back on the table.
Create enmity between Germany and Russia - is the main goal of Washington.
Thus, Washington achieves its goals of world domination, through a policy of "divide and rule". Here and now we see a classic example of this policy of Washington.
You mean we see it failing?
Bingo! As Deutschland goes, so goes the EU.
The Anglo-American alliance is shitting its pants for that reason, and why they bugged Merkel.
Except that she's too stupid to realize this and too timid to do anything about it, and "our" side knows this. Hopefully smarter German heads with a better pay grade than hers have figured this out, and read her the "Riot Act".
If one would want prove the EU politicians are not only unelected, but are also acting against the will of the EU people, this would be a nice example.
One might ask why the EU politicians (technically they are not politicians, since no one voted for them and there is no possibility to vote them out) take positions 180° against the EU people and important EU companies.
I think the NSA is key here. These CEO's who have spoken out, must be honest people that have nothing to hide from the public. The politicains on the other hand...
You can vote the current lot out between 22 and 25 May 2014, they'll be replaced with different people reading the same script. No different to any other election/"democracy".
BS the commision is the only real power. And no elections there!
EDIT: but you are right, elections would not change anything, if they could they would be illegal.
I am reminded of a tee-shirt that I once saw:
"Shit happens.
Hindu says, "This shit has happened before."
Judaism: "But why does this shit keep happening to me?"
Christianity: "Because it's your fault."
Buddhist: "But what is the sound of shit happening.""
Go figure.
Sikhism: When shit happens, it is righteous to take up the sword.
Islam: "When sh!t happens, it is the will of Allah!"
That's alla ta shit!
It's...
Atheist: "Shit happens"
Aye
"If shit happens how much and how can we profit from it ?" who said that ?
'cause they might be the ones who instigate the next shit.
Ah thanks you for that. The spongeholes are spreading and details keep slipping through!
How about some fucking courage Krauts!
Not that I agree with all this
NATO is fucked when push comes to shoves
Oh I don't know. Looks like they're taking a middle road.
More balls than Barry, but less than Moochelle.
they could do worse than to throw their lot in with russia, crack the nato alliance, and keep all of those US nukes parked on their lawn as compensation for the 'missing gold'
Downvotes for queen 'quatch?
Stockholm syndrome.
Yeah...it is a little late in the game to be raising this issue.
If Putin really does "bust a move" here I wouldn't want to be Poland..."otherwise known as the German Buffer State."
Could be looking at a Northern War too...run right out of Stockholm actually.
France is ucked here no matter what happens.
There is no way I want my money in Europe (save krona) right now.
Maybe Espana.
They love their Bullfighters there...
Figures that a dumb ghetto buck like obanga would take the side of the swastika wearing goons in Kyiv and weaponize them no less. As Lavrov said, this is not 1978, your sanctions are as limp as Onyango's teeny little c9ck.
Also, turning a blind eye to censorship of Russian news in ukraine of Nazi thugs beating on Christians makes your democracy rant hollow.
These are good people in Kiev. "And that will be their undoing" as was said in the movie Highlander.
The words "Russia" and "vast" really to go hand and glove.
I wonder what do Germans mean when they say 'West'?
Asia starts east of the Rhine.
Lean over for the Neomunchcons...
German Executives. Right
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The Germans are the natural partner for russia - NOT the USA - which is a WWII relationship set up under duress as a vestige of post war neutralization of russia
if europe is to breakout of its tailspin - the EU needs to get out from under the dictates of the US and debt to USA federal reserve with an end to NATO and a eurasian trading block of china and russia / iran and many others waiting to join
Merkel will have to lead the way for her people and get rid of the baggage of the neo-cons and obama
At least Austria has mountains.
"There ain't nothin' but the Autobahn between Moscow and Berlin."
And. "We could be going for the record here!"
Interesting how quickly India threw their hat in the ring with Putin... and how the US msm swept it under the rug.
Imo, industrialists in Germany have more clout than their western counterparts... and since they work closely with their employees and their unions, and have influence over their employees, Merkle will come under a lot of pressure to go along with the industrialists wishes.
Which is most likely what Merkle wants but will not say at this time.
Merkle seemed to be the EU leader most pissed to find out the NSA was spying on her in every possible way. Angela is a very cagy pol... Perhaps having 'her' industrialists come out in favor of 'business first' is her way of moving a pawn on the board without using her own hand.
At any rate Angela and Putin have had a series of private meetings over the years and have not said what they discussed. The two also have a lot in common. I believe that they are about as close to being friends as any two pols can be.
Who believes that Merkle will throw Putin under the bus, giving up trade with Russia?
The game is morphing from nickle-dime-quarter to table stakes.
I wonder if Putin was Merkel's boss when she was in The Stasi.
"The two also have a lot in common."
They both have nice moobs.
There are many Germans in Russia. From Katerine invited to farm, bankers and other.
My Lady is attorney, real German blood. Her family was bankers arrived under Katerine. They married inside Germans exclusive.
One region Russia has more real German dna than Germany.
Governor of Tomsk Oblast is German, and others in Russian high positions.
/conspiracy mode on
This is where the Snowden revelations might come in.
How many of the top-politicians would be 100% clean of corruption in one way or an other? Remember these people are flesh and blood like the guy next door. They are surrounded by lobbyists and big money on a day to day basis for years and years, they also have friends and family asking them favors every now and then..
Therefore it is hard to imagine that even the decent ones have never ever done something that could be used against them. If not they would be inhuman, surely at one point the used there position to help a friend or relative, and some may have done much worse things.
The beauty of the Snowden case is, that they do not have to even know all the dirty secrets politicians might have, if they would want to confront every single politician, they would have to provide details on what they know, they would also risk blackmail practices being exposed.
Thanks to the Snowden revelations, they don't even have to proof they have blackmail material. It doesn't matter if they have, it's enough the politician knows he has crossed the line somewhere while using fax, email, phone, bank-accounts..
/conspiracy mode off
If one would go with such a ridiculous conspiracy theory, the talk of what the EU interests are and what will be good for EU economy would become irrelevant.
Russia and Germany are the guarantors of peace in Europe. Germany needs to keep Russian energy flowing and Russia needs the revenue. In reality Germany has no problems with giving Russia its natural sphere of influence, but they need to keep up appearances for now.
And quietly move away from the Merkan form of hegemony practiced at the end of a barrel.
Lord knows there's no history of that from Germany or Russia!
Seriously, if you are a German or Russian and you see Obama as the President - you have to think the USA is over and done. This is not because he is half black though I think it is 25% or less. He is a puppet but still. Maybe someone like Allan West or Thomas Sowell not NWO Colon Bowel. The blind black man and Democrat who ran NY state as governor is better than Obama.
Europe and Russia must know that the elites will implode Amerika soon. The Germans would be fools not to make nice with Putin. He is rational, sane, intelligent and you have to be careful but you can work with him.
Obama, Biden, McCain and Amerika are a joke with their shitty high tech, internet, cloud storage/hosting and software infested with NSA bugs. Just call it USSA shitware.
Eastern Germans more than 30 years old might have a bone to pick about returning to the warm embrace of Muscovy.
European Values?
At least someone still has common sense and VWs that get 48 mpg and go 795 miles are 0% 60 month APR
What a model of Volkswagen?
Jetta and Passat TDI Diesel's; they've been running a lot of ads for them in the U.S. recently.
And cost what, 1/6th of a tesla?
Now if we can only make them run cleanly on bituminous coal we'll be in like flynn.
Passat's are now made in Tennessee but I am not sure about the TDIs. They made it look more American which was a negative. Almost all the transplant manufacturers have done well in the USA. VW was in PA in the 1970s but that blew up. The word is VW in Tenn is not doing great. The UAW lost the vote but VW pandered to the UAW a lot.
I think VW's sales are soft. The VAG Group is VW, Audi, Lamborghini, Seat, Skoda, Bentley and they scooped up Porsche. I think Audi is the big money now for VAG though I think BMW is a better car than an Audi with lower depreciation than an Audi.
All the German stuff is overpriced and the parts might as well be cast in gold as they are so expensive. Everything else is not much cheaper either.
I read something that many Americans may never buy another new car in their lifetime if things get worse.
There ARE still Holocaust surivors living today. Weird, yeah....that shit didn't happen too long ago. Can ZH ask some of their contributors to interview someone still living, who was around and can remember how things were and events took place to give us a glimpse of how history repeats itself and how ironically, the US is becoming Nazi Germany.
USA does what it always has done. US entry into WW2 was preceded by economic sanctions on Japan, Japan then assumed the US would use its navy to move against Japan if Japan moved against British colonial holdings. After all, USA had already been supporting Britain against Germany. So no, USA isn't "becoming" anything, it is what it always has been.
Good point. Upvoted.
"After having its entire fleet of B-17's wiped out while sitting on the ground."
Hmmm. What other plans fail to survive the first point of contact? (Hint, hint: all of them!).
Oh, and "we gotta a Divided Command" right now too?
His last name is Spector and he was an historian of WWII who talked about the "war" within "The War" in the Pacific Theater.
I highly recommend all his books...he also was a former Professor of mine at George Washington University where I did my Graduate work.
I feel like I'm working on my PhD here of late.
Oh give it a f**king rest already. This is the same shit I used to see over at Free Republic with baby boomers and oldsters talking about WW2 and other BS with B-17s.
Nonsense. Every war is the same. Banksters and corporations engaging in mass murder for money and power. That is it. Period, end of story. Professors? More ***king politicians in acedemia who live off taxpayer money.
B-17 as in Boeing as in Boeing who knows what actually happened to their 777 which is one of the safest and most reliable planes. That is probably all fly by wire and can be taken over by an AWACS plane controller or even over sat link. You cannot tell me that Boeing monitors everything in real time on all their planes even if systems are shut off. They know.
It is all about business.
Austrian Holocaust survior said last year Hitler promised like an American politician, created many new government agencies,
cloaked himself in the flag and patriotism, fought terrorists, gave great speeches, grabbed guns, nationalized industry, paid snitches, put women into the workforce, redistributed income, socialized everything, went to church, went to war and was elected by 98% of the vote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quhNvOXBCMs 6:38
That was no German flag phucker.
And Germany does have a Bundeswehr and conscription...so they can call up a large number of "reservists."
They haven't had to do this since WWII of course.
ATG... some good points but I don't believe Hitler received more than 45% of any vote prior to declaring himself glod in charge of the world.
'gave great speeches' was his winner.
and... you left out 'surrounded himself with other dreamers, lunatics and a variety of square pegs seeking round holes.'
People truly do go mad in crowds and slowly return to sanity individually... at least, those who survived the madness.
Yes. In the second round of the 1932 election (Weimar Republic law provided that a candidate needed to receive an absolute majority of votes), Paul von Hindenburg of the Independent Party and an incumbent, received 53.1% of the vote, or 19,359,983; Hitler of the National Socialist German Workers Party or Nazi Party (NSDAP), 36.7% or 13,418,517, and Ernst Thalmann of the Communist Party, 10.1% or 3,706,759 votes.
Hindenburg played an unwitting role in the coming to power of the Nazis by appointing Hitler under political pressure as Chancellor of Germany in January 1933.
Although Hitler lost the presidential election of 1932, he succeeded Hindenburg as head of state only two years later, when Hindenburg's death brought his term to a premature end in 1934. After the president's death Hitler abolished the office entirely to replace it with the new position of Führer und Reichskanzler ("Führer and Reich Chancellor"), and cemented his dictatorship. Thus Hitler used the presidency to aid him in his goal of over-throwing the democratic system and establishing a totalitarian regime.
Richard Edward Noble, concluded from his review of James Pool’s book on “Who Financed Hitler” that “fear of Communism or anti-Communism was the chief motivational concept behind the rise of Nazism and Adolf Hitler. From the man in the street to the captains of industry and the nobles and aristocrats the hatred, fear, and spirit of anti-Communism was common."
And, this, from Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Anthony C. Sutton:
p163 : WaIl Street financed the German cartels in the mid-1920s which in turn proceeded to bring Hitler to power.
“[The] build-up for European war [WWII] both before and after 1933 was in great part due to Wall Street financial assistance in the 1920s to create the German cartel system, and to technical assistance from well-known American firms ... to build the German Wehrmach.
... The contribution made by American capitalism to German war preparations before 1940 can only be described as phenomenal. … Wall Street establishment financiers ... directed the activities of American I.G., the I.G. Farben affiliate in the United States promoting Nazi propaganda.”
I've been reading 'Tragedy and Hope", too. A lot of chilling similarities are going on around us.
I enjoyed Shirer's 'Rise and Fall of the Third Reich'. It was written as events occured and from Berlin where shirer was a reporter for a Brit paper (perhaps he was a spy as well) but he left Germany about the time hostilities began between GB and Germany.
It reads like current events, probably cause Shirer was a news reporter. Some really bazzar stuff happened like the 'phony war' period and during the build up to operation Barbarosa.
After the Germans invaded Russia Stalin thought he was going to be executed and went into seclusion for several days. Stalin would not believe his own intelligence that were telling him of an enormous German build up in prep for an invasion.
What is happening now is fairly tame by comparison... but could change quickly.
It's a must reading for anyone who has the intellectual curiosity to find out what's really going on. Dr. Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown University, in this tome spilled the beans on the plot to destroy the United States.
Hitler never received even close to 98% of any vote ever.
He was made Chancellor after Hitler lost the previous election only receiving 36% of the vote. Hindenburg and the other members of the German parliament made him Chancellor believing they could control him. He accepted the Chancellory and the rest is history.
He did unite the Germans by gaoling his political opposition, starting many State projects, thus almost removing unemployment and using effective propaganda. Germany was a Country waiting to be taken hold of. He made a move and took control and they loved him for a while.
No, Azwethinkweiz. Ironically, the U.S. is becoming Bolshevik Russia.
And the reason is “the favorable double standard afforded 70 years of Stalinism versus 10 years of Hitlerism was created by Jewish and liberal support for Lenin, Stalin and the Bolshevik Movement.”
That’s according to Dr. Robert Hickson, USA (ret.), a 1964 graduate of the U.S. Military Academy, retired U.S. Army Special Forces officer, and Vietnam War veteran who following his retirement served for many years in the intelligence and special-operations communities in varying capacities.
For more than 70 years, the Soviet Socialist Empire was America’s enemy, and primarily these enemies were Jewish Soviets: "the Central Committee of the Supreme Soviet of 1935 contained 56 men of which 53 were Jews and 3 were atheists married to Jews.” (Nationalist Times, American Exceptionalism)
But if you're still interested in finding an interview with “Holocaust survivors living today,” the Holocaust Industry is producing them now more than ever – appearing almost every week in a newspaper or magazine that I happen to see. Perhaps you can pull together lots of them by just making a simple Internet search.
As for living in Nazi Germany, we are obviously living under increased Bolshevism. For a confirmation starter, check out those who hold the most important positions in Obama's Administration.
this is beginning to look like one more half ass american adventure never thought thru what the consequences could be
You mean like the last 14 years of US government policies and actions? No, better yet, like the last 60 years of US fuckupmanship.
I have a suggestion... a new term for half assed American adventures... let's call it/them 'New American Crap Shoot'.
So far most have been snake eyes or treys but if the clowns keep at it sooner or later they will come out roll a seven or eleven... eventually... maybe?
Hmmm...$40 Billion from Russia to Germany in one year.
That's $15 Billion less than ONE MONTH of tapered FED QE!
Something tells me more U.S. taxpayer debt obligations are going across the Atlantic.
We're going to be paying not only for a neo-Nazi putsch but to prop up European banks, corporations, and ironically Gazprom.
How about we just stay out of it and end the FED?
I can dream, can't I?
What do we call a mass shared dream?
An effective visionary plan
http://bit.ly/1joPVGR
It is all about the raw materials. Russia says invest, but receivership is in GOLD.
Economics trumps Obama's community organizing.
The US fiat will be so devalued soon enough.
Russia, China and others need to rush moving the financial centers from the US to Asia.
A game of who can destroy each others economy.
This has nothing to do with Business.
It's all about control of the Money Supply by the Ferengi and of course backing up the Reserve Currency with Guns.
As usual, Pepe Escobar covers this well:
Why the EU can't 'isolate' Russia
Demonized 24/7 by the sprawling Western propaganda machine as a ruthless aggressor, Putin and his Kremlin advisers just need to play Sun Tzu. The regime changers in Kiev are already mired in a vicious catfight. [1] And even Ukraine's acting Prime Minister Arseniy Petrovych "Yats" Yatsenyuk has identified the gloomy times ahead, stressing that the signature of the economic part of the association agreement between Ukraine and the EU has been postponed - so there will be no "negative consequences" for industrialized eastern Ukraine.
Translation: he knows this will be the kiss of death for Ukrainian industry, on top of it coupled with an imminent structural adjustment by the International Monetary Fund linked to the EU (maybe) bailing out a bankrupt Ukraine.
Asia Times Online's Spengler coined a formulation: "A specter is haunting Europe, and that is the specter of a Russian-Chinese alliance at the expense of Europe." The alliance is already on - manifested in the G-20, the BRICS and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. There are military technology synergies on the horizon - the ultra-sophisticated S-500 air defense system is to be unveiled by Moscow, and Beijing would absolutely love to have it. But for the real fireworks, just wait a few weeks, when Putin visits Beijing in May.
That's when he will sign the famous $1 trillion gas deal according to which Gazprom will supply China's CNPC with 3.75 billion cubic feet of gas a day for 30 years, starting in 2018 (China's current daily gas demand is around 16 billion cubic feet).
Gazprom may still collect most of its profits from Europe, but Asia is its privileged future. On the competition front, the hyper-hyped US shale "revolution" is a myth - as much as the notion the US will be suddenly increasing exports of gas to the rest of the world any time soon.
Gazprom will use this mega-deal to boost investment in eastern Siberia - which sooner rather than later will be configured as the privileged hub for gas shipments to both Japan and South Korea. That's the ultimate (substantial) reason why Asia won't "isolate" Russia. ( See Asia will not 'isolate' Russia, Asia Times Online, March 25, 2014.)
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-270314.html
Germany should just shut up and keep paying reparations to Israel.
If that pissed a German off, GOOD! Grow a fucking pair of balls and a spine and tell the Zionists to go to hell already!
Get rid of that irrelevant bitch Merkel.
Suck my dick, bitch.
re Germans should grow a pair of balls an tell the Zionists to go to hell....
Now that is some nerve!! LOL!!!
Geez... the USSA politicial "elite" spends more time at the Wailing Wall than in Congress - and has funneled more in 'Aid' - courtesy of the US taxpayer - to Israel than Germany will ever pay in reparations. Not to mention the trillions spent for Israels wars - with the economy destroyed the process.
Has there been so much as a 'peep' from dumb USSAians?
And here you are - preaching to the Germans! Oh man..... this is too funny!!!
Meditate on this:
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? - Luke 6:41
you're welcome - any time ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDR9nCq3Ijs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsx2iwdFwaA
Steal Germany's gold and then ask them to sacrifice jobs. You must be freakin verrückt.
If only they cooperated as they did in 1938, the war would have been averted.
0bama has used all his red lines to paint himself in a box. His red lines may as well be green lights. And Europe puts up with it because they're puppets.
" Europe" (which is an entire Continent btw) "will calculate its response accordingly." (we'll see if they're as good as the Americans tho. They seem to be a little on the slow side right now.)
One could argue "Europe" was a victor in the Cold War.
Certainly Europeans have claim "to the East."
Some going back a thousand years or more actually.
OK. Which giant corporations win this economic war? As a little guy I don't really care as long as some idiots don't start ww3.
Who can collapse the other's economy.
A serious transportation breach (surface to air missiles, both Russia and China supply these to extremist, So did the US) would halt all air transportation for a while as it would months for countermeasures to be installed. This is a frightening thought,
fearing the consequences for their businesses.
and then I stopped reading. Really like I give a fat rats ass about some german's business. The only reason they are saying anything is because it might hurt their pocket books.
I am sure the businesses that stand to benefit are oddly silent about it.
you don’t want to sanction anyone you depend on
But Obama isn't that smart, he'd sanction the water if his pants were on fire.
Can't Prescott Bush's adopted kid help the Germans out? oh wait - that help in Ukraine is how they got here in the first place.
Simular to the bankiers crisis: Politics has loosen it's primacy over concerns.
The EU is representing that circumventing of national Parliaments in a perfect way.
Apparently Germany needs to be taught The Lesson a third time.
"several top German executives have criticized the strategy of the U.S. and Europe in dealing with Russia"
omfg!!!!
several? several! ? severallll!!! ?
thanks for the insight.
:)
Fuck the German politicians. Scum.
germany being pulled east towards russia was a long planned and perfect strategy from putin.
this is not simply puting though. russia has cooperated with china in making this happen.
china too has , over many years, been trying to pull japan 'east' away from the u.s.
germany and japan , both still hosting over 50k american troops each, and both undeniably dependent upon the world order established by the united states since ww2-------are the primary buffer of the west to the east. they are the the body shield of the u.s. agianst russia and china in any major war.
HOWEVER. the russians and the chinese are going to make sure to do their best to pull both out of the grip of the u.s.
germany has been most clearly proving the more obviously willing party to be seduced through trade/energy and general diplomatic overtures of sino-russo axis.
the japanese, much more fiercely nationalistic and xenophobic are proving far more resilient ---especially since they know deep in their hearts how deeply the vested grudges are held by the chinese.
the germans are in no real position to question the russians, because their memories are much more easily forgotten , despite how they have not forgotten what hitler did to them and their people in ww2.
somehow the germans seem to be more forgiving, perhaps its because the east germans are spread out and amongst them.
it is remarkeable however that the japanese have been this resilient.
the real question is how russia tries to pull germany away from the EU, or rather the EU away from the U.S.
i'm not so sure russia has too many plans other than using the weakenss of the west TOO MUCH DEBT against itself.
putin and china don't have to worry too much about the self implosion of the west, they just have to continue playing their strong suits ( cheap energy and cheap labor ) ---while simultaneously keeping their nuclear arsenals up to date.
where does this all go? i think one possibility is the financial implosion of the u.s. will open up enough resources for the rest of the world . so long as it doesn't lead to catastrophic world war.
but the turning of germany is the first post-berlin moment since 1992 of any significant on a geopolitical level.
i would not even say 9/11 was of much significance , as it was mroe or less a predictable extension of vietnam policy of post imperial u.s.
really----not all that surprising geo=politically.
Auslanders Raus!
There are the small matters of the US empire, the EU sub empire, growing appetites for corruption and consumption unmatched by production, thumb on the scales trade, and control of everything.
Evokes more nostalgia than humor though.
"you don’t want to sanction anyone you depend on"
Which is why you don't want to be dependent on one country for your energy. Especially a country with a perenially-bruised ego and ambitions of superpowerdom.
"...a country with a perenially-bruised ego and ambitions of superpowerdom" You're talking about the good ol' US, no?
Did someone say G-6 ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXGPzDq45gM&list=FLLgflds5SL27_E1IMnurh3... concerns "russian problem" ---Jim Sinclair on why the Russians are not worried, and how we might shoot ourselves in the foot.
Hi Tyler Durden . very pleased to see the explanation. waiting for other interesting posts at a time when that will come.
From bvba Woodstone
Good job, Merkel. You just fucked your people: 1) it will me job cuts due to economic ties severed by this stupid ass scuffle, 2) the increase in energy costs will be a tax on all Germans, and 3) increase in government spending will result from increased military activity. Memo to Merkel, stronger economic ties with China and Russia will result in a stronger Germany since Germany needs resources from Mother Russia and market to sell goods in China. Don't listen to our (American) leaders. They will only lead to a path of demise
Germany, don't bite the hand that feeds (U energy).
Germany becoming 'aware', becoming a big player and countries such as France, England and the US trying to contain Germany and pushing it into a corner contributed to the outbreak of two world wars. After the collapse of the USSR the policy of the West was to disrupt Russia and trying to contain it. History perhaps does not repeat itself but it certainly rhymes. If the policy now would be to pressure Germany into complying with sanctions (a way to contain Germany) then Germany might seek solace in the arms of another country that they try to contain now: Russia. The growth markets could be Russia and China and an alliance between them would mean that they would control Eurasia with its resources and its markets . Important therefore for exports of German products.
America in the recent past had hinted that Europe was not so important for them anymore in regard to the market and that they wanted to focus on the Asia. Europe might think the same now. Don't be surprised if old alliances unravel.
So really, what is surprising about the MIC bitching because thier best customers are being sanctioned? Industrialists don't give a rats ass about who is occupying a country, just whether they are a customer.
Putin could take everything to the East of Germany and the Industrialists would still be against sanctions as long as Russia is thier customer.
If I recall correctly, American Industrialists were against sanctions on Germany prior to Pearl Harbor.
Have the Germans ever met a diktator they didnt like?