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Nigel Farage: Europe Has "Blood On Its Hands" Over Ukraine

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"We should hang our heads in shame," UKIP's Nigel Farage blasted during last week's debate with Britain's Deputy PM Nick Clegg, adding that it was the British government that had encouraged the EU to pursue "imperialist, expansionist" ambitions in Ukraine. Clegg's comments on how the EU had turned "fascist dictatorships" in eastern Europe into democracies were met with derision from Farage who exclaimed, "we’ve given a false series of hopes to a group of people in western Ukraine and so geed up were they that they, actually, toppled their own elected leader."


Via RT,

When the debate touched upon events in Ukraine, Clegg said that he was proud of the EU for reaching out to ex-Communist states in Eastern Europe and former “fascist dictatorships” on the Mediterranean.


Those states only managed to turn into “democracies because they became part of the family of nations within the EU,” Clegg said.


But Farage responded with a completely opposite stance toward the armed coup that ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich in late February.


We should hang our heads in shame,” Farage said, adding that it was the British government that had encouraged the EU to pursue “imperialist, expansionist” ambitions in Ukraine.


"We’ve given a false series of hopes to a group of people in western Ukraine and so geed up were they that they, actually, toppled their own elected leader," he said.


With over 100 people killed during the Maidan standoff in Kiev, the European Union “does have blood on its hands” over Ukraine, Farage said.


“I don’t want a European army, navy, air force or a European foreign policy. It has not been a thing for good in the Ukraine,” he said.

Farage won the debate; but...

The deputy PM accepted defeat as he appeared on LBC’s weekly phone-in Friday morning, but hurried to make up for it by attacking Farage over his remarks on Ukraine.

Clegg said he was “extraordinarily surprised, if not shocked” to hear the claim that the EU was responsible for the bloodshed in Ukraine.

To suggest that somehow it is the EU's fault that the Ukrainian people rose up, as many did on the streets of Kiev, against their government seeking to claim greater democracy, greater freedom, is such a perverse way of looking at things,” he said.

Clegg said the UKIP leader’s words showed “quite how extreme people can be… when their loathing of the EU becomes so all-consuming that they even end up siding with Vladimir Putin in order to make their point.”

Clegg promised that he would raise Ukraine again in his second televised debate with Farage, due to take place next week.

We look forward to Nigel Farage's rebuttal to the status quo vigilantism once again...


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Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:13 | 4612421 Sabibaby
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Some politicians will deny it all they way up until the end, no matter how much of an ass it makes them appear.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:34 | 4612459 Latina Lover
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The EU misled the Ukrainian youth into thinking they would be allowed unrestricted visa's to Europe, knowing full well that most European countries do not want them.  Even worse, they are stuck within a country that is being IMF'ed, ensuring far worse living conditions.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 02:34 | 4613016 Cap Matifou
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The genius bureaucrats just forgot to factor in that little variable called Russia.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 03:47 | 4613161 Haus-Targaryen
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See, this is why Clegg's is not only mildly incorrect, but it is fundamentally misleading.  This is not surprising given he entered a debate to logically debate the existance of the quasi-pseudo-nationstate/tradeunion/customs union/whatexactlyisitbutithasembassiesanditsownpropagandaarm, that and the fact he is Nick Clegg, and telling the truth about the EU would be the end of him. 

Those of us who loath the EU with every fiber of their being (I being one of them) don't hate the EU for hating the EU's sake -- but we have reasons why we hate it.  Just like we have reasons why we hate what the United States has turned into, just like we hate the faux-banking system, just like we hate the UN, this religion called "Global Cooling", erm, soooo 1970s, "Global Warming", Climate Change, Central Banking, etc., etc., -- the list goes on. 

We hate them, not because they exist, but they are ideas that require MAJOR societal change to impliment (at major social cost) -- yet the media, our politicians, etc., etc., pass off and skim over these ideas -- that should be debated -- and pass them off as foregone conclusions. 

At work, one of the new videos they released is why XYZ Company is so great (don't get me wrong, I love who and for what company I work for) but part of the dialogue is "den Euro retten" translated into "to rescue the Euro," completely ignoring the fact that maybe it shouldn't be rescued, and perhaps we could make a lot of money if it fell apart.  No matter. "Save the Euro!" "European Unity" "Either we surrender power and sovereignty to Brussels, or, World War III"

I am ranting now, but sum it up to say that Farage doesn't side with Putin just because he hates the Euro and the EU, which is how some LibLabCon think tank told him to spin it before the debate, but because Putin, in this instance is correct.       

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 09:16 | 4613465 Rafferty
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My sentiments exactly, if it's any consolation to you.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 03:51 | 4613166 BorisTheBlade
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Wouldn't be the first time.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 07:44 | 4613316 RadioactiveRant
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You're not distinguising between European people and European business. European people don't want any more people competing for their jobs when most of them feel nervous enough as it is. European business, however, would love a new army of slav(es) that will sleep 6 to a room and work 14 hours days 7 days a week for a pittance.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 23:27 | 4612870 buyingsterling
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Nigel Farage: Who are You

UKIP special from BBC4, 52 minutes, brand new

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 23:57 | 4612926 Four chan
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hes the man thats who.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 02:09 | 4613086 A Nanny Moose
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If the opportunity ever arose, it would by my honor to buy Nigel Farage a round of beers.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 07:54 | 4613324 RadioactiveRant
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Son of a stock broker, that became a commodities trader working at Drexel Burnham Lambert until they went tits up in 1986, on to Crédit Lyonnais 'til they nearly collapsed in 1993, joined Refco who filed for bankruptcy in 2003.

For any fans of Only Fools and Horses, Farage is a living, breathing Uncle Albert.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 09:18 | 4613469 Rafferty
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Didn't know that about Farage.  But remember, despite all the disasters Uncle Albert always survived!

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 02:14 | 4613092 frenzic
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Wake the fuck up he is a politician no matter the show he puts on he is a politician, don't keep falling for the same shit everytime. Yeah I like the sound coming out of this one too but in the end that's all it will ever be, sound.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 02:27 | 4613100 frenzic
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downvote away sheep

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 02:59 | 4613123 Aussie V
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He may be a Politician however, he has been a guiding light of truth and direction in a sea of lies and confusion in Europe for the past few years.

He has proven to have balls, honesty, and insight. He may be a Politician but there have been some honest ones over the years who have proven themselves "above the crowd."

How about Panamanian General cum unelected President Torrijos? How about ex Guatemalan President Jacobo Arbenz? How about Ecuadorian President Jaime Aguilera? Bolivian President Evo Morales? Personally, I'd add Hugo Chavez to that list.

Even if you don't agree with their policies, they have proven to have been honest and some have given their lives for that rare trait.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 08:29 | 4613364 MrsMerkel
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I'm afraid I don't see it.  I used to be a fan of Farage and UKIP, and of course I still enjoy his rants in the European Parliament.


He and his party have demonstrated a complete lack of consistency and principal in their stance towards Scottish independence,  by deriding the Scottish Nationalists as a bunch of racists.  Yet the same desire for self-determination, decentralisation, and local empowerment (apparently!) forms the basis of his own party.

Makes me think he's full of shit and in fact just pandering to peoples fears (in this case of change, foreigners, etc). So yes, just like the other politicians.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 12:23 | 4613979 Diplodicus Rex
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Mrs Merkel

I am Scottish and live in Scotland so I feel qualified to challenge your assertion. Scottish people in general and nationalists in particular are indeed racist (although the use and etymology of the word itself requires further examination). They "hate" the English with a passion. There are various reasons for this, some historical, but for the most part they are a product of jingoistic nationalism which is very damaging for any country. What it means is that Salmond can attract votes simply by flourishing the St Andrews flag so stupid are the populace. He is just as communist and authoritarian as any English government. The root cause of this is that the average IQ in Scotland has fallen rapidly since the cancer of the welfare state overtook us. Gone are the days of the Victorian era when Scotland punched above its weight in the world with its engineerng prowess and entrepreneurship. Now we have a population of entitlement queens who want everything "beacuse they deserve it" and because " the English are bastards".

If UKIP put up candidates in my part of the country they would get my vote. If the party policy is to reduce the size of government I don't care by which means they do it, as long as they do it.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 14:08 | 4614350 MrsMerkel
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Thanks for the response.

I wouldn't disagree with your assertions and am a fellow lover of small government.

My point was more about the intellectual integrity of Farage; irrespective of whether the SNP platform is inherently racist, they are making the same claim for self-determination as he is trying to do for the UK within the EU.

To dismiss the independence movement on the grounds of racism would surely invite the same objection to the UKIP.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 06:03 | 4613242 dogismycopilot
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fuck mate, if your going to deal with politicians, may as well deal with those who are wolves in wolves' clothing.

UKIP rocks

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 04:01 | 4613175 TWSceptic
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He's actually a businessman, unlike the career bureaucrats in the EU and US.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 04:41 | 4613193 disabledvet
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Apparently he has business interests in Russia.

Not saying that's a bad thing...just saying. anyone goo a do anything here or what? It ain't like Nigel is saying anything other than "Putie Bitch" time.

What's next...a trip to the White House talking about a great job?
Followed by more talking.
Then more talking .
Then more talking.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 08:01 | 4613330 RadioactiveRant
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A failed businessman; three out of four of his former employers collapsed.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 12:26 | 4613988 Diplodicus Rex
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Have you considered the possibility that he was fighting the banksters from the inside and crashing the businesses of the skimmers?

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 09:20 | 4613476 Rafferty
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Probably true, they all seem to get corrupted eventually.   Still, by a mile, (1500 kilometers!) he's the best we've got.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 09:42 | 4613523 jwoop66
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gotta agree with frenzic.   Farage is the shit, no doubt; but don't be so quick to fellate the man.   If he continues to do what he is doing, great.  Keep him there, and keep him strong.   Just ease off on the puppy love for a politician.


If you need to worship something, find Jesus.    Farage is just a man.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 02:09 | 4613087 thamnosma
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Fuck the BBC

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 06:57 | 4613267 Reptil
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Does the BBC report on the marches and protests in Spain? In Portugal? No they did not.
The state media like BBC (and NOS in the Netherlands) serve the goal of keeping the citizens UNinformed.
Instead of building bridges of knowledge, they're actually working to keep the citizens in the dark, and divided.
How many spanish are aware that Clegg said their hard fought democracy is a product of the European Union?
An obvious lie, so removed from reality that it gains credibility in the upside down world of european politics.
The spanish themselves built a democracy, departing from the Franco era. Shameful, but not surprising to hear this from a british politician.
Credibility will be lessened once the situation in the Ukraine devolves into chaos. So politically it is now their "strategy" to repeat the fantasy story.

Concluding: The british and spanish politicians are just playing games. NOTHING they say can be trusted. No I don't trust UKIP either.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 06:54 | 4613272 inky
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BBC scum is the british goverments propaganda mouthpiece aimed towards the sheep.constantly telling blatent lies to influence the mindset of the voters.

Also to top it all,the sheep have to actually pay for this! (tv licence) to the bbc so they can listen & watch the lies.

Well either that or get fined £1000 or be thrown in prison.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 07:58 | 4613328 RadioactiveRant
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I hope it doesn't spoil your invective but it was Channel 4 that broadcast Nigel Farage: Who Are you? so it was commercially funded.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 08:54 | 4613379 Reptil
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Channel 4, Cuarto ... they're all at it, it's not just state media.
"Government good, protest bad, and the rest is filling"
Here's Telecinco painting the (mostly very peaceful) #22m protest black.

to nuance this, RTL Netherlands op-ed has a more critical approach to the Ukraine situation (compared to state tv which was decidedly anti-Russia)
but still doesn't name the meddling of the neo-cons or the 5 billion in "democracy-support", nor the damning phone conversations, so it's half truths mixed with propaganda headlines as "Ukraine won't give up" "America and Ukraine working together to curb nuclear armament" and crap like that.

Of course NOTHING about the protests in either Spain, Portugal or Italy.
Can't tell anyone....  people might get ideas that we're all not in such a different situation.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 09:27 | 4613486 Rafferty
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All the stiff uper lip type of Englishmen who made the BBC synonymous with excellence in broadcasting have been replaced.  By Jews at the top and by various coloured minorities at presenter and 'journalist' levels.  That is why it's now a mere mouthpiece for multicultural anti-White PC propaganda.


Mark down another victory for the Long March Through The Institutions.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:13 | 4612422 MonsterBox
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Need. War.  If not Syria, then Ukraine.


Tue, 04/01/2014 - 03:29 | 4613150 beaglebog
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Meanwhile, NBC reporter says that there is no evidence of Russian military build-up on borders of Ukraine.


He did the unthinkable, he took a look for himself.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 03:52 | 4613167 bradya
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Oh, I like that kind of reporters - "I havent seen anything myself"... :)

Never ever reporter will get a permission to see real war preparation in Russia, unless it is allowed.

Seems like not yet allowed, he will be allowed though couple days after the Russian invasion into Ukraine.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:15 | 4612425 tom a taxpayer
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Nigel speaking truth to power.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:47 | 4612500 Berspankme
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Did Clegg have Tony Blair's penis in his mouth during the debate or did he wait til after?

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:50 | 4612798 Seer
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Power KNOWS  what the truth is, and it could give a shit whether anyone speaks it or not (esp AT them).

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:15 | 4612426 ebworthen
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The U.S. has as much or more blood on their hands; Kerry, Nuland, McCain, etc.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:03 | 4612534 Ignatius
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Yes, "swimming in" blood is more apt.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 02:49 | 4612896 Rakshas
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I'm trying to teach my children to think for themselves, though often they end up teaching me in this regard internet kiddies what can you do ? My oldest boy not even 10 yet often asks me about 911 and specifically Building 7 - where are you getting this stuff I ask him - oh me and a few of the kids at school were talking about it; do you know what happened, he asks ....... WTF man how do you answer that?

At any rate it seems the child is intent on learning a truthier form of history than he is being offered by the "educational system" and i fear that in his quest he will learn the painful truth - there has never been a time in modern history when we were not swimming in the blood of anybody who got between us and that which we believed was somehow endowed to us by god.

I bought him a t shirt to think about .......homeland security since 1492

and a box of leg go - poor kids ........ I also taught him how to bury silver bars that may become a useful skill set  in the near future.......

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 09:30 | 4613493 Rafferty
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Rakshas, that is the most reassuring, nay inspiring, comment I've read for many a long day.  There's a new-found spring in my step!

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:16 | 4612428 Bryan
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Aw, I was hoping for a video.  I just love to watch the way he taunts and spanks the opposing side.


Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:16 | 4612429 Pairadimes
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That's my boy.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:29 | 4612461 Ckierst1
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This isn't the first time that this has happened by a stretch.  The west whines for fair elections, gets them and the winner does something they don't like and then they get pissy and depose him.  Haiti is a recurring case in point.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 03:29 | 4613149 MiTasol
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Tue, 04/01/2014 - 09:31 | 4613496 Rafferty
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Tue, 04/01/2014 - 13:41 | 4614249 Zerozen
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1950s Iran.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:34 | 4612466 krispkritter
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Frankly the 'political class', for the most part, sound like a bunch of self-serving pussies who instigate wars but will not serve, nor send their own to serve, therefore they should be removed from the process altogether.  If a person in a position of power is not willing to put their life and the lives of their own on the line, then they should not be speaking for the persons affected by their decisions.  Put up or shut up.  When the 'you and I-class' work through the day-to-day BS, taxation, regulation, etc. and come out the other side with something to provide for our families, there should not be a separate class of parasites that get to pick and choose 'winners and losers' in everyday existence. Fuck Corzine and his ilk. Fuck Obama and his cronies.  Fuck the EU and their 'equality'.  Most of all, fuck the 'globalists' that pad their pockets on the backs of the working-class, no matter what the country. 

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:55 | 4612807 Seer
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Once again your party pussy-ness shines through...  Not a single mention of the other side of the coin...

And then one of his spawns became POTUS.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:37 | 4612474 Pairadimes
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Here is a link to a video summary of the debate prepared by the Telegraph. For added fun, note the media bias against Farage parroted by the Telegraph journo who narrates the piece, despite the survey results which say that Farage pummeled Clegg in the debate:


Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:42 | 4612483 vic and blood
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Nigel Farage is a gifted speaker and debater. Sometimes I wish that I could know a politician's heart a little better. Politics is an adversarial game. He is in a minority party and needs to peel away votes. Just as two lawyers go at it in a court room in an adversarial system, and we hope that the truth comes out, a good lawyer would also have exploited this angle, no matter his personal convictions.

Does anyone have any insight into Nigel Farage's values before he entered politics?

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 23:22 | 4612858 YHC-FTSE
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I think that's an astute comment.  I think I may have judged him too early by his city background and the company he kept early in the UKIP movement - I used to think he was a bigoted clown and media git in the pockets of the banksters, but over the years he has made some great speeches and I can't help my admiration for his efforts. I am always wary of politicians on principle, but I must confess I like him. One telling clue to his values: He was one of the guest speakers at a Simon Black meeting (In Chile?) last year, and the other guest speaker was Ron Paul. Anyone who hangs out with Dr.Paul is ok in my book. 

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 09:34 | 4613505 Rafferty
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Very perceptive question.  Frankly he doesn't strike me as a committed individual having strong personal commitments.  Could a nice juicy offer induce him to come on-side?  I fear so but meanwhile he's the best we got.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:41 | 4612486 b_thunder
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I like good ol' Nige, but Clegg is right:  there's no level too low for certain politicians.  Ukraine rewceived ZERO dolalrs/pounds/euros and ZERO weapons from the west.

They came ontothe strweets to oppose the corrupt president (who boght the electiosn with Putin's cash) and was fleecing the country.  What's wrong with that?

By the way, it was the Ukrainian Parliament that impeached Yanukovich.  Also, unlike the Crimean "referendum", the impeachment hearings and the vote were not held under the barrel of masked gunmen. 


And for ZH, the SUREST way to be wrong, lose credibility, lose readers, lose clicks and ad dollars is to reprint stuff from various propaganda networks.  because by doing so you reprint propaganda, which is almsot never is the truth.


Why only RT?  Why not reprinting government propaganda from Venezuela or Argentina?  How about Zimbabwe?



Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:47 | 4612499 naughtius maximus
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I know right? ZH must have lost a billion readers over this issue

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:58 | 4612520 JustObserving
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Why not reprinting government propaganda from Venezuela or Argentina?

How about propaganda from New York? Will that make you happier?

Yeah, the very New York Times that published all the lies of Judith Miller that led to the million plus deaths in Iraq. Yes, the very same New York Times that clears its stories with the Pentagon. Yes, the very same New York Times that refused to publish the Guardian story that Obama signed an agreement with Israel in March 2009 handing over all the NSA data collected on Americans without any legal restrictions. The credibility of the New York Times and its propagandists is less than zero to put it mildly.

On Monday, the Times public editor Margaret Sullivan was compelled to respond to a barrage of emails from readers demanding to know why the newspaper had failed to write one line about the secret NSA documents released by Snowden showing that the agency was funneling raw data, including the telephone calls, emails and other online communications of American citizens, to Israeli intelligence.

“Friends of mine who never before believed that newspapers suppressed the truth are shocked by the evidence before them,” wrote one reader.

Sullivan reports a discussion on the matter with managing editor Dean Baquet, who told her that the story wasn’t “significant or surprising” and that the paper had more important things to do, such as “cover the turmoil in Syria.”

In other words, the NSA-Israel story was news that didn’t “fit” the Times overarching propaganda line in favor of a war in Syria that is intimately bound up with Israeli interests.

Page 1 Times story by Judith Miller and Michael Gordon cites anonymous administration officials saying Saddam has repeatedly tried to acquire aluminum tubes "specially designed" to enrich uranium. "The first sign of a 'smoking gun,' they argue, may be a mushroom cloud."

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 23:37 | 4612892 JR
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Leftist propagandists spawned by the New York Times are legion. Among the most notorious was Walter Duranty.

Mark Y. Herring describes Duranty in his review of S.J. Taylor’s book Stalin's apologist : Walter Duranty, the New York Times man in Moscow, appropriately entitled Useful Idiot”:

“As Fascism rose in Europe, and Japanese jingoism emerged in the East, Duranty wrote glowing accounts of Stalin's Five-Year Plan. Almost single-handedly did Duranty aid and abet one of the world's most prolific mass murderers, knowing all the while what was going on, but refraining from saying precisely what he knew to be true.

“As Stalin exiled untold numbers of Soviet citizens to die in Gulags, the Soviet propaganda machine glossed this over, never expecting to get a reasonable hearing, but prepared to deny everything. Duranty's acceptance of the official line exceeded even Stalin's wildest expectations…

That his own paper, the New York Times, refuses to acknowledge his perfidy only makes the read all the more savory.”

At first unsuccessful while covering events all over Paris, Duranty recounts that “luck broke my way in the shape of the great Russian famine which threatened to cost about 30,000,000 lives, and probably did cost 5,000,000 or 6,000,000 including deaths from disease.”

The Ukraine mass starvation of 1932-33 killed up to 7.5 million,. Says Herring, it “did not prove too lucky for the Russians, neither then, nor over the next seventy years. But it did help establish Duranty as the premier reporter in Europe, and the number one Useful Idiot for Lenin first, and later for Stalin.”

(Duranty wrote in a New York Times article dated 23 August 1933, that "any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda” although he knew thousands there were already dead and millions more were menaced by death from starvation. Malcolm Muggeridge, a correspondent for The Manchester Guardian, called Duranty a "liar.")

On the basis of these lies and propaganda, Duranty was given provisional admittance to the Soviet Union…which grew to several years as he rose to stardom at The Times.

Herring writes that earlier, “when, in 1930, Duranty saw firsthand the exiled kulaks, he dismissed it, saying ‘[I've] seen worse debris than that, trains full of wounded in the Front in France going back to be patched up for a fresh bout of slaughter.’

…Duranty even linked Stalin's persona to the survival of the Communist Party and, ultimately, the Soviet Union. The irony was apparently missed by Duranty: that a man single-handedly responsible for tens of millions of deaths of his own people could be inextricably linked to their survival. Just how many eggs it took to make this omelet, Duranty was happy to let Stalin decide.”

Duranty was awarded the Pulitzer Prize in 1932.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:22 | 4612535 Mine Is Bigger
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From what non-propaganda networks are you getting your information?  

The Crimean referendum would have resulted the same without Russian military presence.  Most people there saw the presence as not threat, but protection from Western Ukraine intevention.  If you think otherwise, you are not getting the right information.  If you ever been there, you would know Western news reporters, flying into Kiev and filing from there news reports about Crimea can't get the right perspective.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:08 | 4612541 Carl Popper
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A huge majority of the parliament voted for impeachment.  This was no AstroTurf revolution. 

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:35 | 4612752 Mine Is Bigger
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A huge majority of opposition party members because politicians supporting the previous government either went into hiding or were threatened by right-wing thugs.  Yes, it sounds very democratic.  Besides if a huge mojority makes it right, why is the referendum in Crimea deemed illegal?

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:25 | 4612592 Omen IV
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"Ukraine rewceived ZERO dolalrs/pounds/euros and ZERO weapons from the west."


obviously you wish to disregard Nuland and her $5 billion from the american jackals - which bought the bullets on maidan square which murdered 72 people shot in the back from the same trajectory - the Philhormonic Hall  - controlled by the nuland appointed security minister

you are such a low life!


Tue, 04/01/2014 - 00:41 | 4612993 Phuk u
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Omen, no doubt you have been enlightened like so many others on ZH by RT. I doubt you have been

to Kiev and I doubt you have seen the numerous videos available on the subject of snipers. Its

seem very clear from which direction the bullets were coming from. I would prefer if both Europe

and the USA as well as Russia would allow Ukraine to sort their own affairs out and keep out of it

but years of Russian interference causing the corruption of the politicians and the economy have made this impossible.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 02:27 | 4613099 adonisdemilo
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Clegg couldn't possibly be right, the man is a complete and utter fool. he's never been right about anything that I've seen him say or do in his entire political "career".

He is  a Liberal after all, that well known bunch of weirdo tree huggers and perverts.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:44 | 4612493 naughtius maximus
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Greater democracy and freedom? Oh kay doe kay

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:51 | 4612504 Treason Season
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Clegg is just another faggot Dutch pedophile Manchurean mind controled Rothschild puppet.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:22 | 4612582 tony wilson
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you maybe corract nick clegg is a child wrangler and a broke back pimp.

but he got a real nice smile

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:53 | 4612507 william114085
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zionist day they will be swinging

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 20:56 | 4612513 WTFUD
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Clegg is the Dregs ( least valuable part ) of society.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:03 | 4612531 Mine Is Bigger
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Oops, double post!

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:14 | 4612560 Paracelsus
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I think it was 1956 in Hungary the locals rose up after listening to Radio Free Europe and VOA,Voice of America (CIA funded) broadcasts that promised western support.

The people were literally looking heavenwards thinking the 82nd airborne was going to be dropped on Budapest.They were so certain that the west would not have dropped them in the sh#t.The locals had a close encounter with some Russian tank treads and the VOA lads said "Hoocoodanode?".


Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:16 | 4612567 tony wilson
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farage is the new hiltler he likes putin who is also the ne hiltler.

the govmint must do something about all these new hitlers.

they need to clone some churchills and montys and pattons and der bloke in der wheel chair dat said pearl harbour infirmy infirmy the japs av got it infirm me presdent john voight.

we needs to combats the hitler menace america also needs to give israel money so they can open up the embassies again instead of hiding in der air raid shelters.

i here they are chilling out watchin a movie called the samson option.



Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:30 | 4612605 naughtius maximus
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With all these new hitlers where are the piles of dead bodies and gas chambers? Is it too early still? 1938 esque? How long does a hilter take to properly ferment? Is there a vintage hitler ready yet?

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:22 | 4612720 vic and blood
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This is serious! These new Hitlers are popping up like spotted knapweed and Dalmation toadflax. As soon as we destroy a Middle Eastern country to stop a new Hitler, another one pops up next door. Putin wasn't even on Israel's to do list. I was under the understanding that we only have to stop the new Hitlers in Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iran, and then we are done.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:39 | 4612774 Aussiekiwi
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You don't think that maybe the Wests invasions of middle eastern countries might be making resistance stronger, every time a drone drops on a wedding party the survivors are far more likely to become anti western resistance fighters, terrorists to the west. Every time somebody's child is killed accidentally by western drones or a disabled child is born as a result of left over US Uranium in shell casings, new hardcore resistance fighters are born.

I am very pro western democracy and freedom but I wonder if we have lost the plot along the way.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 01:40 | 4613058 Brit_Abroad
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If I were you I would reconsider that pro western democracy and freedom thing.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:34 | 4612613 vic and blood
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@ Tony

Check this out. Schaeuble comparing Putin to Hitler. This is some serious escalation.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 01:11 | 4613031 Joe A
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That is because he himself was compared to Hitler in Greece. He wants to pass on the stigma or else it might stick.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:09 | 4612687 vic and blood
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I read your comment again and laughed some more. One of your better ones. Is there an award for faux semi-illiterate satire?

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:32 | 4612759 Aussiekiwi
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Very funny comments Tony, i particularly liked the air raid shelter comment, 5 stars.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 06:05 | 4613243 Mi Naem
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Funny that 7 (and counting) downthumbers did not get it. 

Most also do not seem to understand that whoever uses the "Hitler" card first (seriously, rather than in satire) loses the debate by admitting that they are all out of relevant points. 

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:34 | 4612612 PacOps
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Fritz Kraemer has a few thots about this!


America's Secret Weapon to Stop Russia

Today Ukraine is threatened by a large Russian force on its border. The Crimea has been annexed by Russia, and Russian forces are consolidating their hold on the province. Despite assurances by the Russians that they have no interest in invading Ukraine, it is easy to be dubious of their claims. Capability doesn’t lie, and intent can change in a heartbeat.

Many have already said that there are no military options in the Ukraine crisis. While Western Europe and the United States do not desire conflict with Russia, the lack of action supporting Ukraine is actually a provocative gesture that invites escalation by the Russians. Fritz Kraemer, a little-known but highly influential strategist in the Pentagon best known for his many years as advisor to numerous secretaries of defense, believed that there were two ways to be provocative. One way was to be threatening, and in so doing provoke an enemy to action. The other way was to appear weak, and thus to provoke an adversary into a similar risky misadventure.

Kindly do not shoot the messenger.


Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:50 | 4612643 vic and blood
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That is a military industrial complex publication. They are hammers looking for nails. The asinine plan to put F22s in the Ukraine is too provocative. It amounts to a declaration of war. Risk WWIII because some genius thinks the Russians want to invade Ukraine?

The author of the article uses the word "annex", which is inaccurate, and failed to mention words such as referendum or self-determination. The word "annex" alone tells me all I need to know about the author.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:55 | 4612657 PacOps
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Of course it is. And he has the ear of SecDef which is a good enough reason to at least take a look at his thinking.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:02 | 4612670 vic and blood
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His thinking is pretty scary. I despise those types and their thinking.

I am grateful, however, that your contribution let me look at those people's twisted minds. Thanks for the link.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:24 | 4612731 Anusocracy
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Previously the Autonomous Republic of Crimea that voted to separate from Ukraine.

au·ton·o·mous (ô-t?n??-m?s)
1. Not controlled by others or by outside forces; independent: an autonomous judiciary; an autonomous division of a corporate conglomerate.
2. Independent in mind or judgment; self-directed.
a. Independent of the laws of another state or government; self-governing.
b. Of or relating to a self-governing entity: an autonomous legislature.
c. Self-governing with respect to local or internal affairs: an autonomous region of a country.
4. Autonomic.

autonomous (???t?n?m?s)
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (of a community, country, etc) possessing a large degree of self-government
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) of or relating to an autonomous community
3. independent of others

It's not that hard to understand.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 00:46 | 4613003 Phuk u
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Makes it more absurd !

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 02:08 | 4613083 PacOps
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@vic and blood

You are most welcome.

We never know what the other guy has in his hand. But if he tips it, it might be wise to consider his thinking - twisted tho it may be.

I am as anti-war and pro-veteran as anyone here. Participated in the Cuban Missile Crisis and then spent 4 years in Vietnam.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:03 | 4612664 vic and blood
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From your article: "the lack of action supporting Ukraine is actually a provocative gesture that invites escalation by the Russians"

The author of your article should pay attention to the news. The Russians are slowly demobilizing troops near the border.

"invites escalation"? Seems the Ukraine, EU, and USA are doing all the escalating.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:29 | 4612748 Aussiekiwi
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Russia has no interest in invading the Ukraine and is starting to pull back its units that were only there as a show of force to protect Russians within the Ukraine.

There was a referendum in the Crimea and the Crimea voted democratically to be part of Russia, I believe that is called self determination, as opposed to western dictators dictating who will rule.

Contrast this with the debacle of the US invading Iraq on false pretenses and the million people who have died as a result, strange I did not see any sanctions being placed on the US for this.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 23:32 | 4612882 Seer
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The US (same coin as the EU except that it does the muscle work) has been invading countries, bombing wedding parties and droning children and harrassing Russia for decades (refer to writings by Brzezinski).  Yeah, Fritz, you piece of dog shit (appologies to my dog, as my dog is good and its shit is likely far more valuable than Fritz), it's the Russians!

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 21:37 | 4612619 WTFUD
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As tempting as it might be for a few ( journalists / reporters ) to offer the Sheep a modicum of truthiness, when your sole income is derived from gubberment ( bbc {taxpayer tv } ) and BankerCorp well. . . .

Just a laugh ( to be fair have only caught 60 seconds on YouTube ) could someone advise the students who participated in the Arizona 'RIOT' not to turn up against 'pig thugs' in shorts&sunglasses.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 22:39 | 4612756 Jack Burton
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While evidence that the Urkrainan extreme nationalists and Right Sector parties of West Ukraine were funded by the EU and USA. Even to the point of open admission of spending 5 billion to fund this and the open secret that the protestors were in fact hired employees of the USA and EU, the wage for a basic foot soldier was 40 Euro a day, and fantastic sum by the standard of Unrainian wages. A mountain of video evidence from both Right Sector and independent sources showed extreme levels of protestor violence, such violence committed in a Western Capital would have justified shoot to kill orders to police. The evidence from western leaders in the Baltics that all Maidan shootings were committed by the same group of snipers, all of whom operated from one major building that was held by the Euro Miadan armed forces of the revolution. The near instant recognition of the very first revolutionary leaders of Miadan as a legal and legitimate government by ALL NATO members at the same instant showed coordination with Miadan. Also, leaked phone calls show Americans were the organizing force behind the Miadan government selections. The attempt of the Euro Miadan revolution to coordinate the bussing of large groups of Miadan footsoldiers to Crimea right after the Miadan government was installed, showed coordination and funding that the EU and USA insured flowed into the revolution. All this while NATO claimed Russia was involved in the supression of the free people of Maidan.

We all know how it played out as Putin used his Sevastopol Navy and Marine forces to aid self defense forces of a declared independent Crimea and it's soon to be held election. Maidan protestors were met on the Crimean border and shown the way back to Kiev. The west's Maidan footsoldiers collected their 40 Euro pay, but did not penetrate the Crimean borders except in small groups which were disarmed and shown the door.

NATO's planned coup was a great success, all power was transfered to the right sector troops and the IMF economic team that was already set up to transition to rulers of Ukraine. The fast action of Crimea totally destroyed the NATO take over of Sevastopol as the primary NATO naval and Air Base on Russias southern flank. The Crimean missiles bases and tactical nuclear weapons bases never got past the planning stage as Russian Marines secured the Crimea and seem unwilling to allow NATO to spend 30 billion dollars on missiles, air bases and a naval complex that would secure the Black Sea as NATO's back yard pool.

The western media was totally involved in reading NATO, EU, State Department, CIA, IMF and Neocon press handouts. The mad drive to get a war ginned up seemed on track, until popular opinion in Europe and America failed to be driven into a pro war mood sufficent to back armed intervention. These failures of NATO and the Media has driven them into an irrational rage and insane anger and complete collapse of reason. Having lost the big game, a game they were sure they had won, has sent them into a mad frenzy of uncontolled rage. Their failure has unleashed these fools to engage in a vast campaign of lies, threats and unbridled lust for shots to be fired. CNN and BBC as official organs of state propaganda have exposed themselves as simple agents of government control, of spinning lies and covering up for NATO's drive for war. NATO has won many great victories in their defense of Europe. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Serbia and others have all felt the boot of NATO air strikes on their necks. NATO openly funds Al-Qaeda and brags about it. They funded Muslim terrorists in Kosovo while bombing Christians in their homes, communter trains, bridges, hospitals, radio stations and on the streets of Serbia. Killing many hundeds of christians in support to Al-Qaeda. We see this now in Syria, where Christians are murdered and NATO arms, funds and trains the killers. This is freedom spreading.

All the rage of NATO is frustration over Russia having the modern defensive weapons it needs to defeat the NATO bombing of Crimea and Russia, not being able to kill, NATO can only cry like babies whose toys have been stolen by evil Putin. Russia has no right to own advanced defensive missile systems in large numbers, no right to sport some of the world best fighter aircraft, or to have well armed troops with advanced infantry and anti aircraft systems attached to every army unit. Nope, NATO is insane with rage, because the bully boys of NATO air forces don't look set to repeat the great air victories of Libya or Serbia. Once the Georgian assault on South Ossetia was destoryed by Russian intervention, NATO was hopping mad, only to find themselves even more checked ibn their drive to the Crimea. Like a woman scorned, hell has no fury like a NATO failure to bully and kill their targeted peoples.

That really is just too bad.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 23:00 | 4612818 booboo
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The fascist always invade their own country before spreading their plague outward. The Nazi lovers in Kiev and in DC are the problem.

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 23:38 | 4612895 syntaxterror
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Is this dude elible to run for President of the United States of Food Stamps?

Mon, 03/31/2014 - 23:40 | 4612901 WTFUD
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I demand a 3rd & 4th opinion or preferably a double act, two voices of reason are better than one ; enter stage left and right with toothy sincere grins Tony (Bastard) Blair and Bungalow Bill Clinton.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 02:39 | 4613109 beaglebog
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UK press is, today, running a smear campaign against Farage.


Link to one such story ...


The tack of this particular article is that Farage might have a dodgy relationship with RT ... and, by association, with Putin... and Putin is Russian ... and Russians are evil ... ergo, Farage is evil.


The good news is that the overwhelming response of the readers is, "Fuck off, we don't believe a word of it."

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 16:20 | 4614894 Jack Burton
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Good find "beaglebog". You are correct, the western media is now smearing Britain's true British patriot. The liars and smear artists are doing the bidding of the elite banker class and the military industrail profit centers that grow fat and rich off of the UK taxpayers, all under the transparent lie that THE Elites are protecting Britain from enemies. Ha! The enemy is at home in the financial towers of Canarey Warf, in the Offices of the City of London, where bankers and military industrialists plot their crimes and theft, manipulate markets for their theft and rob tax payers of billions while claiming to be defenders of freedom. All lies! Britain is now a growing thrid world hell hole being run into the ground by the elites whose lust for theft and lust for criminal profits from a rigged fake market systems know no limits.

Farage dares to speak the truth, his words are dangerous to the eiltes whose desire to rob average Britains of everything thing they may have, their lust to turn Britain into a Muslim state, to cheat and lie to and destory traditional British society and the British ethnic entity. Anglo Saxon and Celtic, Viking and ancient neolithic peoples. All must be destroyed for the sake of a multi culutural sick and evil society imposed on Britain to allow the police state and financial theft state to impose complete control on this non united mass of culture deprived peoples, whose British Heritage is simply an evil white man's ethnic entity that stands in the way of one world government ruled over by financial elties using police and military, their liar media and large spy and secret police repression system. What type of people rule Britain? Evil, greedy liars and thugs, as Ronal Reagn once said about the USSR, and which we can now say about the Washington DC and London axis, "They are the focus of Evil in the modern World."

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 04:01 | 4613176 bradya
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Is giving a hope a crime?
Is not expecting of "Russian brother" to stub Ukrain in the back a bad thing?
People in Ukraine fought for their freedom, they fought for nothing if EU will let Russia to occupy whole Ukrain now.

Hundreds of heroic Russians and Ukranians in Maidan, won a freedom for tens of millions of Russian and Ukranians in Ukraine.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 05:36 | 4613230 inky
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Cameron --> comes from a long line of banksters.


Clegg --> father was a bankster.


George Gideon Oliver Osborne --> well.. is a banker puppet out of touch nasty twat.


Nigel farage --> The change england desperately needs.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 08:49 | 4613407 Gyoza Mimi
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Hm, given that Farage cannot exist on his own - he can merely action as an opposition devoid of iown deas but poo-pooing everyone else's with a handful of standartized message along the lines of "EU is evil" - then I wonder what kind of change he'd bring.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 08:44 | 4613396 Gyoza Mimi
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Farage is a clever man acting like a fool all in the name of making the "mad hatter" UKIP even crazier than it already is. Does anyone expect him to say anything besides "EU eats babies for breakfast"?

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 08:52 | 4613414 inky
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Nigel Farage for prime minister

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 09:48 | 4613542 smacker
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Clegg is an EU-ite from his collar studs to boot laces. It can do no wrong.

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