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Russian Platoon Withdrawing From Ukrainian Border, Russian Defense Ministry Says
Overnight, AFP reported that Russian forces have begun a gradual withdrawal from the Ukrainian border, citing a Russian defense ministry official. "In recent days, the Russian forces have been gradually withdrawing from the border," the Ukrainian defence ministry's general staff spokesman Oleksiy Dmytrashkivskiy said in a telephone interview. Moments ago, Reuters confirmed this story:
- RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS ONE INFANTRY BATTALION IS WITHDRAWING FROM REGION NEAR UKRAINIAN BORDER - RUSSIAN STATE NEWS AGENCIES
And Bloomberg added:
- RUSSIA: PLATOON HEADING BACK TO SAMARA REGION FROM ROSTOV: RIA
- RUSSIAN PLATOON RELOCATING AFTER DRILL IN ROSTOV REGION: RIA
So is Putin de-escalating, and now merely biding his time until the Ukraine elections when the population, suddenly facing 100% price increases in heating costs, capital controls, and a collapsed economy will have to empower the current government to continue the status quo? Or just another headfake to show that even Putin is malleable to "negotiations"? Or, as the official explanation says, it was merely the end of a drill, and the platoon will now be stationed elsewhere along the border?
Stay tuned to find out.
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Is not a platoon about 45 men?
Bloomberg/Tyler says platoon, while Russia/Reuters says battalion.
Withdrawing....forward?
No.. Just for lunch and some hookers!
But I think Putin is really using this Ukrainian conflict as a near real war exercise for the Russian military to get it in better shape especially with its officers, communications, logistics support, equipment, etc after many years of being dormant. Russia has not had the wars which have kept the US military in good readiness so Ukraine is an opportunity to do that.
< "Two steps forward, one step back." Stalin
< "All warfare is based on deception" Sun Tzu
Withdrawing. Putin is correct. They pulled back 50m and dug in again.
Look at the bright side, instead they could move Russian-Ukrainian border closer to Brussels.
".........suddenly facing 100% price increases in heating costs, capital controls, and a collapsed economy ..........."
Those kinds of things didn't stop people from re-electing the Obama regime.
If if its a battallion, that's not very important. Russia has apparently moved a LOT more men and materials over the last month or so.
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http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=4614
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Obama's Ukraine Fiasco Imperils Economy
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Yup, an infantry platoon is from 40 t0 48 men, a company about 200 men, while an infantry batallion is about 800 men.
A platoon is commanded by a lieutenant. a company by a captain, while a batallion is commanded by a lieutenant colonel.
Headline reads 'platoon' but in the text of story it reads 'battalion'...
platoon = 9 to 100 members depending on type; ie, engineers, infantry, etc
battalion = 300 to 1,200 members comprised of several companies again depending on type and primary mission
company = 3 to 6 platoons depending on type; ie, artillery, rifle, engineers, etc
brigade = 3 or more battalions
army = a hell of a lot of GIs and officers
In addition to this confusion each country has it's own composition of these units.
I looked this stuff up on Wiki and hope you appreciate it... but I was also curious
Did you look up US military breakdown. Russian forces have a lot less people in a companys, battalions and regiments then we have. So a battalion is nothing compared to what they moved up over the last few weeks.
Yes, I googled US military breakdown and it said "when the Jeep stops running"...
Hey, I don't want to be an expert on this Army stuff... Just trying to provide a bit of basic info... I was in the Navy. You look it up and post it if you like.
putin to the world:mind fuck, have you ever been mind fucked? i'm doing it to you now!
I think Putin saw the IMF's proposal, and need only bide his time, before the Russian speaking part of Ukraine is demanding to get annexed like Crimea.
Why spend all the money on a military invasion, loss of life, bad PR, when, all Putin has to do is let the IMF turn Ukraine into Greece, just with a lower starting point? Oh and Putin gets billions from Ukraine the IMF and the USSA as well as the EUSSR in backed loans from Ukraine.
Seems like Putin could spend a ton of money, and lives and get the Eastern and Southern half of Ukraine, or less Maiden run the country into the ground Greecian-style, and then in 6 months to a year, sponsor a few revolutionary groups (who knows, maybe Right Sector will get a new PR manager, and get recycled) and start demanding sucession and subsequent annexation?
Yet again, Putin+1 USA-1 EU-lolasiftheyevencount
Why destroy Ukraine, the EU ,and IMF have it in hand.
If you are Putin it pays to allow this to play out. First the IMF goes to Ukraine. Then it imposes economic reality on the country. The people suffer but the IMF transfers huge amounts of money (taken from the EU and the USA) to Ukraine. Then Ukraine gives it to Russia to pay overdue gas bills. The people riot over horrible economic conditions, Putin moves into eastern and southern Ukraine to "protect Russians". Putin gets what he wants (southern and eastern Ukraine)and the EU and USA pays for it.
They are going for an "IMF Riot" in Ukraine...
When a nation is, "down and out, [the IMF] takes advantage and squeezes the last pound of blood out of them. They turn up the heat until, finally, the whole cauldron blows up," as when the IMF eliminated food and fuel subsidies for the poor in Indonesia in 1998. ... This economic arson has it's bright side - for foreign corporations, who can then pick off remaining assets, such as the odd mining concession or port, at fire sale prices. - Greg Palast
For some reason, I cannot edit my own post. I apologize for the horrible spelling.
Once someone has replied to it, it's no longer editable.
Too funny.
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Russian patriots 'thank US for Crimea'
Mar 28, 2014
A group of supporters and activists from the Russian Great Fatherland organisation gathered in front of the US consulate in St. Petersburg on Friday to "express their gratitude" to the United States and President Barack Obama for aiding Crimea's joining the Russian Federation...
Putin has a large wheel on one wall of his office. Wheel has 2 arrows on it. Arrow pointing to right labled "GAZ OFF" and arrow ponting to left labled "GAZ ON"...
NSA has secret camera in Putin's office. US, EU, NATO screw with Putin till camera sees Putin get from behind desk and approach large wheel at which time they stop screwing with Putin... Putin returns to seat behind desk... pretty secretary resumes position on Putin's lap... not sure about last part but it makes for a good mental image.
rubles gas and guns bitchez
With another 100,000 troops still on Ukraine's Border with Russia....
Well, that is a large constituency that has just departed so if any lines are to be drawn here they will clearly be seen electorally.
Ukraine is a..."non-normative" State like Iraq everyone agrees "there is a Capital here"...but there is a question as to where the "country"(as in Nation) is exactly.
Again..."two go in, one come out" here.
He's playing washington like a fiddle. I think he knows Ukraine wont want austerity and 100% increase in gas price - he knows the election might turn his way in getting the banksters out. This is also more time to cement deals to kill the petro-dollar, he's letting the Washingtom circle jerks hang themselves. Wonder what Bazel will do.
I think you're exactly correct. There's no way the eastern parts of Ukraine will find the EU acceptable once they have to endure it.
Brilliant chess playing by Putin. More lulz from the West. It's like sending Prarie View A&M to play the Seahawks.
The hard push gate rattler..
Going to wale up one morning and there's going to be 200K parked all along their western borders. That will be done vewy vewy quietly..
My how times have not changed.
Interesting, Armored infantry vs. the printing press.
Why would this time be different.
This has all been done before. You were probably still shitting yella when it was happening though..
Ignorance is bliss.
My guess is that this situation won't last too long, either Putin will have to invade or he will pull forces back to barracks.
My main reason for this thought is that it is difficult to keep troops in the field for too long just hanging out. You can't just keep them sitting on the border in tents and field conditions without a mission.
Self determination through suffering. Putin just has to be reactive here depending who screams the loudest to make the suffering stop unless the Ukrainian people caught in the middle decided they have had enough and start cleaning house themselves internally of every last one of those assholes in the government right now. This story is coming to many a country near you real soon.
Also who cares if they are right on the border or not, heck within a few hours multiple airborne divisions can fly from anywhere in Russia and be dropped all over Urkaine. A day later and a 100 miles and all the armored divisions can race right back to and through the border.
we have to bee vigilunt with putin the bbc and cnn must watch him close.
i remember seeing a bbc show about herr hiltler and the bbc said he withdrawed and went home to berlin but the nazis wher hiding in the bushes.
they then invaded israel and killed all the jewish peeoples.
we cannot afford anudder hollow caused i donte think i could take the a new spilberg movie on putin.
it wood be nice to have bradley coopers and gwywith paltry play putin and his wifes
he even has his own "Putin Youth" movement, scary stuff
I support Putin youth and anything else that stops the advance so called "US hedgemony". Let's face it, many of us don't like our Government and are thrilled to see someone stand up to them, whereby hopefully forcing them to focus on their own moral and financial bankruptcy. And let's not forget, the progressive-globalist-bankster war bridgade is BIG FUCKING TROUBLE in now; France, Italy, UK and one would hope in the US with Rand Paul.
I would support a movie featuring Daniel Craig in two roles...Bond and Putin.
.daniel craigs is an reel lives homosexualist
the russians wood riot if craig played the slayer of the puff the banner of the gay adopters
mr putin.
He's married to Rachel Weisz, so... no.
Why would Putin want the rest of the Ukraine?
Let Europe adopt a bankrupt new member.
this is really not much of a story as the more important and telling aspect was that the negotiations between Lavrov and Kerry in Paris did nothing to change the situation and any kind of "deal" remains as unattainable as it was before the Crimea referendum so essentially nothing has changed.
in fact, even our own MSM (much to my shock and surprise) has already shot the "massive pending Russian invasion" myth full of holes. a crew from the NYT or LA times (i forget which) traveled the entire border between Russia and the Ukraine and found nothing near the 100,000 troops that Washington and Kiev has spent the last month hyping. even the locals they interviewed along the way, on both sides of the border confirmed that no such forces existed beyond those which had previously participated in an exercise but had long since returned to base. the border has been, according to the locals being interviewed, a very quiet and normal place. they even took the crew to a spot which appeared in one of the videos and pointed out where tracks which were purported to have come from heavy Russian armor where in fact the result of construction equipment.
much like the "proof" of the Assad chemical weapons attack, the massive amounts of you tube videos purporting to show large scale Russian military movements are questionable at best. for example the tanks in almost every video and snapshot, appear to be older model t-64's which the Russian military no longer uses but do make up the back bone of the Ukrainian armored forces. which begs the question who's military are we seeing in those videos and why are they constantly being hyped as a Russian invasion force?
it's ironic that Washington and the west has spent so much energy trying to paint Moscow as an arrogant villain, blinded by misplaced ambition and out of touch with reality when in fact the exact opposite is true. it is the western powers especially Washington that, either out of willful arrogance and their delusional myopic worldview or worse still intentional provocation, does not see the danger these foolish and short sighted actions are putting us all in.
Lavrov made it very clear in a recent interview with RT exactly what this is really all about, all the military drills conventional and nuclear, the annexation of Crimea and the tensions over the Ukraine. when Putin says he has no intention of invading the Ukraine he is telling the truth, there will not be an invasion, if the Washington and NATO pushes it's agenda to hard in Kiev, if they violate the last barrier that brings NATO to Russia's front door...
well, lets just say Lavrov made it a point to show on a map all the NATO military bases currently surrounding the Russian federation, he also pointed out how those bases represented the lies told to Moscow that NATO would honor the strategic balance born out of the cold war, a creeping invasion and aggression now coming to a critical mass. you may have had to read a little between the lines to understand what was most the important message in that interview, but not much. all the drills, all the military build up all the dress rehearsals for preemptive nuclear strikes have nothing to do with the Ukraine.
they are a warning, maybe the final one aimed at the west, one last chance to restore the balance and avoid what was two decades ago unthinkable.
we know what "deescalation" really means in terms of official Russian military doctrine, lets hope the situation does not deteriorate to the point where Moscow feels it has no other choice that to exercise that option.
Putin will just wait for the Ukrainian economy to collapse, then riots will happen, then he will have his casus belli...
Welll played Putin, notice all the focus was moved from the Crimea to a possible Russian invasion of the Ukraine, now Putin will trade his good intentions in slowly moving back with no further sanctions, the current ones have absolutely no impact on Russia anyhow and at the end of the day he ends up with the crimea for absolutely no cost.
Once again the West was hopelessly out played and the West now has a moral responsibility of supporting the Ukraine which will cost Biliions of dollars, that will flow to Russia in return for over priced gas.