Saudi Arabia Passes New Law That Declares Atheists "Terrorists"

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Nothing like being close allies with one of the most despotic, Medieval and backwards societies on planet earth.

Never forget, the USA brings democracy to the world!

With the exception of puppet governments sitting on billions of barrels of oil reserves and disturbing ties to the 9/11 attacks. Those governments we love.

From the UK Independent:

Saudi Arabia has introduced a series of new laws which define atheists as terrorists, according to a report from Human Rights Watch.


In a string of royal decrees and an overarching new piece of legislation to deal with terrorism generally, the Saudi King Abdullah has clamped down on all forms of political dissent and protests that could “harm public order”.


Article one of the new provisions defines terrorism as “calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based”.


Joe Stork, deputy Middle East and North Africa director of Human Rights Watch, said: “Saudi authorities have never tolerated criticism of their policies, but these recent laws and regulations turn almost any critical expression or independent association into crimes of terrorism.


The organization said the new “terrorism” provisions contain language that prosecutors and judges are already using to prosecute and convict independent activists and peaceful dissidents.

Let’s not forget that just last week Obama was over in the Kingdom cuddling up to these creepy authoritarians.

Our foreign policy is a joke.

Full article here.

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JustPrintMoreDuh's picture

Everyone not in 'the club' is a terrorist.

THX 1178's picture

Disturbing Ties to 9/11? You mean the Saudi govt or the US govt?

asdasmos's picture

What a backwards leadership....

Jack's Digestible Ideas's picture

Too many mouths to feed. The more terrorists we can destroy, the better.

kliguy38's picture

Whew! for a minute I thought they were going to go after goldbugs.....that's prolly next on the list.

wee-weed up's picture



Not to worry...

Obozo and his NSA, DHS, FBI, etc will easily beat...

Those Saudis at declaring who are called terrorists.

zaphod's picture

"Nothing like being close allies with one of the most despotic, Medieval and backwards societies on planet earth. Never forget, the USA brings democracy to the world! With the exception of puppet governments sitting on billions of barrels of oil reserves and disturbing ties to the 9/11 attacks."

Well to be fair to the US, this is probably the future for Europe, so the US just might be hedging for the possible situation where Europe transitions to a medieval Islamic society.

weburke's picture

the EU treaty refers to people as "subjects". not citizens. 

romans dont actually like the muslim thing. but it works as a prison management system.

idea_hamster's picture

Article one of the new provisions defines terrorism as “calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based”.

So funny that the US definition is the exact opposite -- calling for a value system based on anything but Federal Reserve Notes, or suggesting the validity of the Islamic religion?  You just made the short list....

Wait ... not "funny" ... the other thing.  Orwellian Nightmare.  That's the term I was looking for.

War is peace, y'all, and we have always been at war with [insert].

ILLILLILLI's picture

King Abdullah: "You're either with us or against us."

Somehow, this sounds familiar...hmmm.

old naughty's picture mean he was

Oh, that visitor last week. 


Keyser's picture

Fuck the arabs and the camel they rode in on. If they weren't lucky enough to be born sitting on top of the world's largest oil reserve, they would still be burning camel dung for heat at night.

StychoKiller's picture

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."

Ghordius's picture

bullshit. "the EU treaty refers to people as "subjects". not citizens."

utter, unbelievable bullshit

actually it's the British who are generally referred as subjects (of the British Crown). but for sure not in EU treaties (plural)

there are references to subjects in the EU treaties. in the sense of being subject to the treaty. and no, then it's countries, not citizens


meanwhile, this Saudi law is a perfectly good example for a conservative stance getting extreme

Uncle Remus's picture


meanwhile, this Saudi law is a perfectly good example for a conservative stance getting extreme

Well, you do have an English sense of understatement.

Anusocracy's picture

Their behavior certainly casts a bad light on their God.

Just the idea that their God would tolerate subhumans like themselves boggles the mind. Can these people even think?

BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

It's a tough lesson for theists to come to grips with but god only exists in thoughts passed from generation to generation. That's why all this shit makes no sense, why there is so much in the world that defies the existence of god in the external physical world. All the stuff that theists must ignore in order for their internal universe to match the external one. This is where statements like "What a tradegy little Johnny died of cancer at 8, god must have had a special place in heaven for him" come into play. 

The fascinating thing is that the "meme" or idea of god includes the concept that god exists in the external physical world. Once this idea is implanted in the early human mind and reinforced over and over again the thought itself becomes physically instantiated in the brains neural network. By then, in a sense, you can say that god does exist in the physical world but we seldom distinguish god as a mesh of neurons and axons bathed in Serotonin and Dopamine among a miriad of other chemicals.

If there was a god humans would be aligned absolutely, categorically and completely with each other in their belief and worship, this is surely self evident. This is one of the most powerful indicators that the concept of god is nothing more than a cultural tradition passed from generation to generation. Most ironically the very notion of god and belief and worship is subject to evolution. If there was a god this also would not be the case. Worship would be static and unchanging unless of course god morphed over time.

Funny thing about theists is they all think their god is the one, Muslims are just more likely to kill for it at this point in time. Go back a few hundred years and tell the Inquisition that they could shove their god up their asses though and death at the hands of a Muslim would be merciful.



Zerozen's picture

Bringontheasteroid - I think in the post above and in your posts below you conflate religion with god. Religion is a (non-scientific) search for god/attempt to understand god but if religions have contradiction, anachronisms, etc. in them that does not prove that no god exists. Most of what you're writing about doesn't touch on god at all, it's just criticism of religion.

FWIW I'd rather be a theist than an atheist for 2 reasons: 1) Pascal's wager and 2) because atheism is an inherently irrational belief position. Atheism means the belief that god does not exist, but you can't prove that something doesn't exist, ever. That's a commonly known maxim of logic. If I have no hope of proving my position, then just how much sense does it make?

I've met plenty of religious types and some atheistic types over the years. Usually the very religious types, while not very open minded, aren't pushy or offensive, in my personal experience. The atheists though have been almost to a person insufferably arrogant, pushy, know it alls. Sometimes verbally offensive too.

P.S. I don't practice any particular religion.

XitSam's picture

oh good grief. 1) since the different gods have different, mutally exclusive, requirements for infinite gain, which should I believe in? Catholic? Baptist? Mormon? Hindu? Muslim? Flying Spaghetti Monster?  2) Just a variant of Pascal's wager.

In my experience, religious types are the pushiest, arrogant, close-minded, know-it-alls. Who knocks on neighborhood doors to tell you they are right and you're not? Not the atheists.  Some athiests do react, but it is because the religionists are so pushy. 

waterhorse's picture

"In my experience, religious types are the pushiest, arrogant, close-minded, know-it-alls." 


That's why Australians call them "god-botherers."

Keyser's picture

All the down-arrows are too funny. ZH members are usually sharper than the average Joe. You would think they would be a bit more tolerant of theological topics with the knowledge that there are over 5400 separate deities worshiped on the planet today. Especially when it comes to geo-political trends. I guess not. 


MeelionDollerBogus's picture

LOL. I wasn't going to reply but someone walked by my desk and in an instant said FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER seeing this at the computer.

So... there it is...

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

"Atheism means the belief that god does not exist, but you can't prove that something doesn't exist, ever"

No, it isn't. I am an atheist and I can not have, contain, that belief in my body/mind whatsoever. That's why I'm an atheist.

45Condor's picture

I think Nietzsche summed it up best with God is dead.

The only down side to this was to give to man the Will to Power, and which the despots seized upon under the guise of religion/occultism/delusion… call a belief system what you want.

I’ve never met an atheist that wanted to tie me to a rack before disembowelling me, or lash me to a bloody pulp before chopping my head off.

DannoH's picture

Wait, I thought it was Trent Reznor who said that...

Keyser's picture

Much like the difference between a stoner and a drunk. Which do you think will become violent the quickest?


buyingsterling's picture

Whether you realize it or not, your position boils down to this: the infinite energy that birthed the universe (Wikipedia says it began as a singularity of zero volume and infinite energy) is mindless, becauuse you say it is. Dead matter can lead to free-willed thinking minds in the relative blink of an eye, but an eternal energy (infinite energy can't be bordered by time) must be mindless.

BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

I would has it a guess that nobody really has a clue what caused the universe to arise. Even if some super advanced alien civilisation knew what caused it and wrote it down in a book and gave it to us I suspect even then we wouldn't understand it because our language is rooted in the macro world and vastly limits our ability to understand anything beyond it.

Let's say for arguments sake that there are trillions upon trillions of universes like ours popping into existence and evolving over trillions of years, some to expand forever and eventually fizzle out, some to exist in a steady state, others to eventually collpase back in on themselves.  Let's say for arguments sake that throughout these universes there have been trillions of advanced civilisations that would make humans look like cockroaches in comparison. What then. Is there a god that gives a particular rats ass about humans.

No, the atheist does not deny the existence of god due to some misplaced guilt or non-realisation of some obvious truth, they deny the existence of god because it's stupid.

I find your terms fascinating: "Dead matter can lead to free-willed thinking minds in the relative blink of an eye". Maybe the universe is teaming with free-willed beings. Maybe life is inevitable as day following night. Maybe it's not something special at all. Always, people are consumed with emotional bias based on their meagre experience. If there are a trillion civilisations in just this universe what then.

Just look at the world around you and take the fliters of emotion off. Just look with no preconceived ideas about sunsets being a gentle caress from gods paint brush for example. Just look. I don't see a god. If a big face appeared in the sky then I'd change my mind but so far, nothing.

toys for tits's picture

The definition of the universe is all existing matter considered as a whole.  How can there be universes and what would be the "line" that would segment them.

Humans can't even comprehend the dimensions of this universe so to theorize others is an exercise in futility.

All theories about the origins of life require a belief system.  So if you don't believe in god you still have to have faith that life generated from non-living matter, which is something that humans can't even assist in happening.  To me this is more of a stretch to believe than believing that a creator exists.

To me the more science discovers, the more I believe that the earth was created to sustain life and that we are the only life of this kind in the universe.  Just because I believe this way, don't lump me in with those idiots who think the universe is only 6000 years old.

However, I don't believe that humans' religions are the pathway to God.  IMO they are only second to mosquitos as causing the most human deaths.

BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

"All theories about the origins of life require a belief system"

No they don't, theories about the origins of life that are based on science are not belief, they are a pursuit of knowledge based on models that are tested by observable facts.

Drachma's picture

It seems that your whole worldview is sculpted by one thing; that human science, as it is in our society, is infallible. That is a belief system itself. Everything I've read from your posts on this page makes me think you are young, naive, watch too many NOVA, DiscoveryChannel, ScientificAmerican and National Geographic programs and believe everything you are told by 'scientific authorities', your own personal priesthood.

ebear's picture

"It seems that your whole worldview is sculpted by one thing; that human science, as it is in our society, is infallible."

I don't see where he says that.  That's nothing but a straw man.  FAIL.

Say, what is it with you godsters anyway?   The minute someone on here makes a case for science and the secular way you gotta jump right in and defend your god?   Why so threatened?  Faith not strong enough to just let it slide?  I mean, seriously....

Keyser's picture

The flaw in the "god" logic is that even if there is an "ultimate being", what says that we as a species as supposed to worship this being? The scribbling created by man, drawn from here say conclusions, 100's of years after the fact? And then take it on faith? 

Dugald's picture


The trouble with ZH is that it does so encourage windbags and those suffering from verbal diarrhea 

ebear's picture

"So if you don't believe in god you still have to have faith that life generated from non-living matter"

We may lack an explanation at present, but we'll eventually figure it out.  After all, matter is demonstrably self-organizing, so there's no reason to invoke an external agent simply because we don't have the answer right this minute.  It's a problem for future research.  No big deal, unless you're one of those people who has to have an answer for everything and just can't deal with uncertainty.

Bangin7GramRocks's picture

Holy shit! Are you Neal DeGrasse Tyson? You spit some serious game! Well said.

SelfGov's picture

First the universe just existed.

Then it realized it existed.

Then it realized it could realize.

Then it tried to realize its self to discover what it was.

Then it blew up...

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

If you look at the universe from the largest zoomed out view possible the face appears from the constellations of galaxy clusters.
It looks like this (link)

SelfGov's picture

Nothing could be further from the truth.

If the super-natural does not exist then...

Nothing is super-natural.

If nothing is super-natural then...

Everything is natural.

Consciousness falls into the category of everything.

Another word for natural is inherent.

Therefore, consciousness is inherent to the universe its self. It is a naturally occurring thing.


SelfGov's picture

I am literally a bit of conscious universe replying to its self.

I am the universe bewildered by the fact that the universe has the capacity to be bewildered at all.

"Whatever will bewilder me."

Skateboarder's picture

Come on now, be a good pagan and pay your respects to the spirits. They've been around a lot longer than you or I, and a lot longer to come they shall be.

(borrowed from my post below)

"These spirits aren't your enemies - but neither are they friends,
Do not dare insult them lest all nature you offend."

Headbanger's picture

I agree!  Humans need rules to live by or else it's chaos.  That's what God and Satan (or take your pick of any other such deity and demons) are all about really. Concepts of good and evil for us to live better.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

Religion: rules to kill by, not rules to live by.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

It's very sad and tragic that so many sheeple -- billions of them -- need to believe in either "The Bribe of Heaven, or the Blackmail of Hell", to behave like decent human beings.  And even then this is not assured, it seems.  Kirk needs neither.  Fuck the gods!  They are just misunderstood space aliens.  There is no fate but the one we make.

Not only would I ask for some "ID" from an entity claiming to be of divine substance or possess the Power Cosmic, but would not tolerate, worship or even bow down to such an insecure and anthropomorphic Uber-Bully.

Sure, "god", please step right up to our X-Ray system (to see if you're made of metal, polymers or flesh), while we look at you in the IR spectrum with a FLIR system.  Now keep still lordy, while we do an MRI scan on you also.  And roll up the sleeve of your nice space suit, so we can get a nice DNA sample.  And, in case you're made of nanobots, no problem either.  Our body fluid sample will be viewed under an SEM (scanning electron microscope), to see the structure down to the atomic level, and undergo forensic analysis of material composition.  If you emit ANYTHING in the EM spectrum, we'll pick it up. And please let these nice men -- Scotty, Spock and our team of scientists and engineers -- check out your shuttle craft, and let me inspect your space ship.  And THEN we'll talk about who is "divine" and who only pretends to be.

Even I can impress a bunch of smelly goat/sheep herders from 3000 BC to 1500 AD with a Light & Sound show -- with regular Earth tech.  You can see better shit in Vegas.  Pfff.  Sheeple!

thestarl's picture

Me Kirk I'm an atheist and personally I think all these people that worship whatever are just afraid of their own mortality.

Wile-E-Coyote's picture

I was brought up a Catholic, they actually beat the inquisitive side out of you at an early age. You learn to stop asking akward questions and accept everything you are told. A form of brain washing. All religions are based on deception and used for control, that's why this new edict has come out of Saudi. They must be having problems with people and independent thought.

thestarl's picture

So was I but these catholic arseholes have so much to answer for.Look at their approach to contraception,paedophilia,celibacy,support of ultra right wing ideals you could go on and on.

Islam yeah fuck them to.


Liberty2012's picture

Religion and God are not the same thing. Its a very common mistake.