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Saudi Arabia Passes New Law That Declares Atheists "Terrorists"

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Nothing like being close allies with one of the most despotic, Medieval and backwards societies on planet earth.

Never forget, the USA brings democracy to the world!

With the exception of puppet governments sitting on billions of barrels of oil reserves and disturbing ties to the 9/11 attacks. Those governments we love.

From the UK Independent:

Saudi Arabia has introduced a series of new laws which define atheists as terrorists, according to a report from Human Rights Watch.


In a string of royal decrees and an overarching new piece of legislation to deal with terrorism generally, the Saudi King Abdullah has clamped down on all forms of political dissent and protests that could “harm public order”.


Article one of the new provisions defines terrorism as “calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based”.


Joe Stork, deputy Middle East and North Africa director of Human Rights Watch, said: “Saudi authorities have never tolerated criticism of their policies, but these recent laws and regulations turn almost any critical expression or independent association into crimes of terrorism.


The organization said the new “terrorism” provisions contain language that prosecutors and judges are already using to prosecute and convict independent activists and peaceful dissidents.

Let’s not forget that just last week Obama was over in the Kingdom cuddling up to these creepy authoritarians.

Our foreign policy is a joke.

Full article here.


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Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:09 | 4616027 JustPrintMoreDuh
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Everyone not in 'the club' is a terrorist.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:10 | 4616031 THX 1178
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Disturbing Ties to 9/11? You mean the Saudi govt or the US govt?

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:15 | 4616043 asdasmos
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What a backwards leadership....

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:15 | 4616046 Jack's Digestib...
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Too many mouths to feed. The more terrorists we can destroy, the better.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:17 | 4616049 knukles
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Cass Sundstein wuz here

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:23 | 4616062 kliguy38
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Whew! for a minute I thought they were going to go after goldbugs.....that's prolly next on the list.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:39 | 4616084 wee-weed up
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Not to worry...

Obozo and his NSA, DHS, FBI, etc will easily beat...

Those Saudis at declaring who are called terrorists.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:52 | 4616125 zaphod
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"Nothing like being close allies with one of the most despotic, Medieval and backwards societies on planet earth. Never forget, the USA brings democracy to the world! With the exception of puppet governments sitting on billions of barrels of oil reserves and disturbing ties to the 9/11 attacks."

Well to be fair to the US, this is probably the future for Europe, so the US just might be hedging for the possible situation where Europe transitions to a medieval Islamic society.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:57 | 4616135 weburke
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the EU treaty refers to people as "subjects". not citizens. 

romans dont actually like the muslim thing. but it works as a prison management system.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:10 | 4616154 idea_hamster
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Article one of the new provisions defines terrorism as “calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based”.

So funny that the US definition is the exact opposite -- calling for a value system based on anything but Federal Reserve Notes, or suggesting the validity of the Islamic religion?  You just made the short list....

Wait ... not "funny" ... the other thing.  Orwellian Nightmare.  That's the term I was looking for.

War is peace, y'all, and we have always been at war with [insert].

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 01:20 | 4616233 ILLILLILLI
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King Abdullah: "You're either with us or against us."

Somehow, this sounds familiar...hmmm.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 03:55 | 4616403 old naughty
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Oh, that visitor last week. 


Wed, 04/02/2014 - 07:28 | 4616537 negative rates
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Is there a church bell in the White House?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 16:55 | 4618661 Keyser
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Fuck the arabs and the camel they rode in on. If they weren't lucky enough to be born sitting on top of the world's largest oil reserve, they would still be burning camel dung for heat at night.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 06:58 | 4616514 StychoKiller
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"Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 07:40 | 4616542 Ghordius
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bullshit. "the EU treaty refers to people as "subjects". not citizens."

utter, unbelievable bullshit

actually it's the British who are generally referred as subjects (of the British Crown). but for sure not in EU treaties (plural)

there are references to subjects in the EU treaties. in the sense of being subject to the treaty. and no, then it's countries, not citizens


meanwhile, this Saudi law is a perfectly good example for a conservative stance getting extreme

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 16:54 | 4618682 Uncle Remus
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meanwhile, this Saudi law is a perfectly good example for a conservative stance getting extreme

Well, you do have an English sense of understatement.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:01 | 4616142 Anusocracy
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Their behavior certainly casts a bad light on their God.

Just the idea that their God would tolerate subhumans like themselves boggles the mind. Can these people even think?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 02:08 | 4616272 BringOnTheAsteroid
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It's a tough lesson for theists to come to grips with but god only exists in thoughts passed from generation to generation. That's why all this shit makes no sense, why there is so much in the world that defies the existence of god in the external physical world. All the stuff that theists must ignore in order for their internal universe to match the external one. This is where statements like "What a tradegy little Johnny died of cancer at 8, god must have had a special place in heaven for him" come into play. 

The fascinating thing is that the "meme" or idea of god includes the concept that god exists in the external physical world. Once this idea is implanted in the early human mind and reinforced over and over again the thought itself becomes physically instantiated in the brains neural network. By then, in a sense, you can say that god does exist in the physical world but we seldom distinguish god as a mesh of neurons and axons bathed in Serotonin and Dopamine among a miriad of other chemicals.

If there was a god humans would be aligned absolutely, categorically and completely with each other in their belief and worship, this is surely self evident. This is one of the most powerful indicators that the concept of god is nothing more than a cultural tradition passed from generation to generation. Most ironically the very notion of god and belief and worship is subject to evolution. If there was a god this also would not be the case. Worship would be static and unchanging unless of course god morphed over time.

Funny thing about theists is they all think their god is the one, Muslims are just more likely to kill for it at this point in time. Go back a few hundred years and tell the Inquisition that they could shove their god up their asses though and death at the hands of a Muslim would be merciful.



Wed, 04/02/2014 - 02:09 | 4616285 asdasmos
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Wed, 04/02/2014 - 11:28 | 4617419 Zerozen
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Bringontheasteroid - I think in the post above and in your posts below you conflate religion with god. Religion is a (non-scientific) search for god/attempt to understand god but if religions have contradiction, anachronisms, etc. in them that does not prove that no god exists. Most of what you're writing about doesn't touch on god at all, it's just criticism of religion.

FWIW I'd rather be a theist than an atheist for 2 reasons: 1) Pascal's wager and 2) because atheism is an inherently irrational belief position. Atheism means the belief that god does not exist, but you can't prove that something doesn't exist, ever. That's a commonly known maxim of logic. If I have no hope of proving my position, then just how much sense does it make?

I've met plenty of religious types and some atheistic types over the years. Usually the very religious types, while not very open minded, aren't pushy or offensive, in my personal experience. The atheists though have been almost to a person insufferably arrogant, pushy, know it alls. Sometimes verbally offensive too.

P.S. I don't practice any particular religion.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 12:11 | 4617556 XitSam
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oh good grief. 1) since the different gods have different, mutally exclusive, requirements for infinite gain, which should I believe in? Catholic? Baptist? Mormon? Hindu? Muslim? Flying Spaghetti Monster?  2) Just a variant of Pascal's wager.

In my experience, religious types are the pushiest, arrogant, close-minded, know-it-alls. Who knocks on neighborhood doors to tell you they are right and you're not? Not the atheists.  Some athiests do react, but it is because the religionists are so pushy. 

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 12:16 | 4617575 waterhorse
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"In my experience, religious types are the pushiest, arrogant, close-minded, know-it-alls." 


That's why Australians call them "god-botherers."

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 16:59 | 4618699 Keyser
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All the down-arrows are too funny. ZH members are usually sharper than the average Joe. You would think they would be a bit more tolerant of theological topics with the knowledge that there are over 5400 separate deities worshiped on the planet today. Especially when it comes to geo-political trends. I guess not. 


Thu, 04/03/2014 - 12:57 | 4621547 MeelionDollerBogus
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LOL. I wasn't going to reply but someone walked by my desk and in an instant said FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER seeing this at the computer.

So... there it is...

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 20:29 | 4619402 MeelionDollerBogus
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"Atheism means the belief that god does not exist, but you can't prove that something doesn't exist, ever"

No, it isn't. I am an atheist and I can not have, contain, that belief in my body/mind whatsoever. That's why I'm an atheist.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 02:15 | 4616294 45Condor
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I think Nietzsche summed it up best with God is dead.

The only down side to this was to give to man the Will to Power, and which the despots seized upon under the guise of religion/occultism/delusion… call a belief system what you want.

I’ve never met an atheist that wanted to tie me to a rack before disembowelling me, or lash me to a bloody pulp before chopping my head off.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 09:43 | 4617004 DannoH
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Wait, I thought it was Trent Reznor who said that...

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 17:01 | 4618702 Keyser
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Much like the difference between a stoner and a drunk. Which do you think will become violent the quickest?


Wed, 04/02/2014 - 02:16 | 4616298 buyingsterling
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Whether you realize it or not, your position boils down to this: the infinite energy that birthed the universe (Wikipedia says it began as a singularity of zero volume and infinite energy) is mindless, becauuse you say it is. Dead matter can lead to free-willed thinking minds in the relative blink of an eye, but an eternal energy (infinite energy can't be bordered by time) must be mindless.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 03:03 | 4616343 BringOnTheAsteroid
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I would has it a guess that nobody really has a clue what caused the universe to arise. Even if some super advanced alien civilisation knew what caused it and wrote it down in a book and gave it to us I suspect even then we wouldn't understand it because our language is rooted in the macro world and vastly limits our ability to understand anything beyond it.

Let's say for arguments sake that there are trillions upon trillions of universes like ours popping into existence and evolving over trillions of years, some to expand forever and eventually fizzle out, some to exist in a steady state, others to eventually collpase back in on themselves.  Let's say for arguments sake that throughout these universes there have been trillions of advanced civilisations that would make humans look like cockroaches in comparison. What then. Is there a god that gives a particular rats ass about humans.

No, the atheist does not deny the existence of god due to some misplaced guilt or non-realisation of some obvious truth, they deny the existence of god because it's stupid.

I find your terms fascinating: "Dead matter can lead to free-willed thinking minds in the relative blink of an eye". Maybe the universe is teaming with free-willed beings. Maybe life is inevitable as day following night. Maybe it's not something special at all. Always, people are consumed with emotional bias based on their meagre experience. If there are a trillion civilisations in just this universe what then.

Just look at the world around you and take the fliters of emotion off. Just look with no preconceived ideas about sunsets being a gentle caress from gods paint brush for example. Just look. I don't see a god. If a big face appeared in the sky then I'd change my mind but so far, nothing.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 04:05 | 4616407 toys for tits
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The definition of the universe is all existing matter considered as a whole.  How can there be universes and what would be the "line" that would segment them.

Humans can't even comprehend the dimensions of this universe so to theorize others is an exercise in futility.

All theories about the origins of life require a belief system.  So if you don't believe in god you still have to have faith that life generated from non-living matter, which is something that humans can't even assist in happening.  To me this is more of a stretch to believe than believing that a creator exists.

To me the more science discovers, the more I believe that the earth was created to sustain life and that we are the only life of this kind in the universe.  Just because I believe this way, don't lump me in with those idiots who think the universe is only 6000 years old.

However, I don't believe that humans' religions are the pathway to God.  IMO they are only second to mosquitos as causing the most human deaths.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 04:52 | 4616432 BringOnTheAsteroid
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"All theories about the origins of life require a belief system"

No they don't, theories about the origins of life that are based on science are not belief, they are a pursuit of knowledge based on models that are tested by observable facts.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 09:03 | 4616819 Drachma
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It seems that your whole worldview is sculpted by one thing; that human science, as it is in our society, is infallible. That is a belief system itself. Everything I've read from your posts on this page makes me think you are young, naive, watch too many NOVA, DiscoveryChannel, ScientificAmerican and National Geographic programs and believe everything you are told by 'scientific authorities', your own personal priesthood.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 09:27 | 4616944 ebear
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"It seems that your whole worldview is sculpted by one thing; that human science, as it is in our society, is infallible."

I don't see where he says that.  That's nothing but a straw man.  FAIL.

Say, what is it with you godsters anyway?   The minute someone on here makes a case for science and the secular way you gotta jump right in and defend your god?   Why so threatened?  Faith not strong enough to just let it slide?  I mean, seriously....

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 17:05 | 4618721 Keyser
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The flaw in the "god" logic is that even if there is an "ultimate being", what says that we as a species as supposed to worship this being? The scribbling created by man, drawn from here say conclusions, 100's of years after the fact? And then take it on faith? 

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 05:42 | 4616466 Dugald
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The trouble with ZH is that it does so encourage windbags and those suffering from verbal diarrhea 

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 09:10 | 4616849 ebear
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"So if you don't believe in god you still have to have faith that life generated from non-living matter"

We may lack an explanation at present, but we'll eventually figure it out.  After all, matter is demonstrably self-organizing, so there's no reason to invoke an external agent simply because we don't have the answer right this minute.  It's a problem for future research.  No big deal, unless you're one of those people who has to have an answer for everything and just can't deal with uncertainty.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 05:55 | 4616472 Bangin7GramRocks
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Holy shit! Are you Neal DeGrasse Tyson? You spit some serious game! Well said.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 11:01 | 4617315 SelfGov
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First the universe just existed.

Then it realized it existed.

Then it realized it could realize.

Then it tried to realize its self to discover what it was.

Then it blew up...

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 12:40 | 4621493 MeelionDollerBogus
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If you look at the universe from the largest zoomed out view possible the face appears from the constellations of galaxy clusters.
It looks like this (link)

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 10:53 | 4617283 SelfGov
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Nothing could be further from the truth.

If the super-natural does not exist then...

Nothing is super-natural.

If nothing is super-natural then...

Everything is natural.

Consciousness falls into the category of everything.

Another word for natural is inherent.

Therefore, consciousness is inherent to the universe its self. It is a naturally occurring thing.


Wed, 04/02/2014 - 10:55 | 4617296 SelfGov
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I am literally a bit of conscious universe replying to its self.

I am the universe bewildered by the fact that the universe has the capacity to be bewildered at all.

"Whatever will bewilder me."

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 02:31 | 4616316 Skateboarder
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Come on now, be a good pagan and pay your respects to the spirits. They've been around a lot longer than you or I, and a lot longer to come they shall be.

(borrowed from my post below)

"These spirits aren't your enemies - but neither are they friends,
Do not dare insult them lest all nature you offend."

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 09:00 | 4616808 Headbanger
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I agree!  Humans need rules to live by or else it's chaos.  That's what God and Satan (or take your pick of any other such deity and demons) are all about really. Concepts of good and evil for us to live better.

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 12:52 | 4621538 MeelionDollerBogus
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Religion: rules to kill by, not rules to live by.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 03:33 | 4616373 Kirk2NCC1701
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It's very sad and tragic that so many sheeple -- billions of them -- need to believe in either "The Bribe of Heaven, or the Blackmail of Hell", to behave like decent human beings.  And even then this is not assured, it seems.  Kirk needs neither.  Fuck the gods!  They are just misunderstood space aliens.  There is no fate but the one we make.

Not only would I ask for some "ID" from an entity claiming to be of divine substance or possess the Power Cosmic, but would not tolerate, worship or even bow down to such an insecure and anthropomorphic Uber-Bully.

Sure, "god", please step right up to our X-Ray system (to see if you're made of metal, polymers or flesh), while we look at you in the IR spectrum with a FLIR system.  Now keep still lordy, while we do an MRI scan on you also.  And roll up the sleeve of your nice space suit, so we can get a nice DNA sample.  And, in case you're made of nanobots, no problem either.  Our body fluid sample will be viewed under an SEM (scanning electron microscope), to see the structure down to the atomic level, and undergo forensic analysis of material composition.  If you emit ANYTHING in the EM spectrum, we'll pick it up. And please let these nice men -- Scotty, Spock and our team of scientists and engineers -- check out your shuttle craft, and let me inspect your space ship.  And THEN we'll talk about who is "divine" and who only pretends to be.

Even I can impress a bunch of smelly goat/sheep herders from 3000 BC to 1500 AD with a Light & Sound show -- with regular Earth tech.  You can see better shit in Vegas.  Pfff.  Sheeple!

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 04:48 | 4616428 thestarl
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Me Kirk I'm an atheist and personally I think all these people that worship whatever are just afraid of their own mortality.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 03:50 | 4616398 Wile-E-Coyote
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I was brought up a Catholic, they actually beat the inquisitive side out of you at an early age. You learn to stop asking akward questions and accept everything you are told. A form of brain washing. All religions are based on deception and used for control, that's why this new edict has come out of Saudi. They must be having problems with people and independent thought.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 04:59 | 4616435 thestarl
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So was I but these catholic arseholes have so much to answer for.Look at their approach to contraception,paedophilia,celibacy,support of ultra right wing ideals you could go on and on.

Islam yeah fuck them to.


Wed, 04/02/2014 - 09:31 | 4616955 Liberty2012
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Religion and God are not the same thing. Its a very common mistake.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 12:17 | 4617573 XitSam
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Where was Wile talking about god?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 04:17 | 4616412 toys for tits
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You make a lot of presumptions about what would human life would be like if god existed.  I guess that's your belief system since you have no evidence that is the case.


What if god doesn't interfere with humans because he's giving humans plenty of time to try all types of self-government in order to prove that humans are incapable of ruling themselves?


If the story of Adam and Eve and the serpent is true, God's right to rule humans was called into question and it would take a lot of time to settle since there could be the claim that humans didn't have enough time for the experiment.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 04:38 | 4616421 Seer
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"What a tradegy little Johnny died of cancer at 8, god must have had a special place in heaven for him"

I don't "join" institutions (well, marriage) or groups because my mind needs to be free.  But... that don't mean that I cannot see valid meaning/points in things that theists and others might practice.

In this case (that I quoted above) it's all about a coping mechanism.  My wife is from the Philippines, where Catholicism is huge (and, well, I'm a little more upbeat about things with Franics showing up [I can better relate to him than the other popes]), and when you see the crushing poverty there you realize that there's little other to do about it than accept it somehow: those thinking that the removal of corruption there would "solve" their problems just doesn't understand things about the human condition.

I've known quite a few atheists.  One was a good friend of mine until I found his extremism to be too much.  And I have some really good friends who are southern baptists; they've been my friends for many years and I expect that to stay that way, even though I disagree with many things their religion espouses (or doesn't).  The difference has to do with whether I can experience life with people without having them need to cram their "beliefs" down my throat.  I have my own beliefs and I don't feel that I need to "share" them: one finds one's way not by instruction, but by experiencing life.  I'm NOT a fan of evangelizing: again, I think it's for the really insecure.

If it projects power then it's about POWER.  And if I'm getting this thing right, God is the only power (and, I tend to believe, no one should portray themselves as power over others because that's God's job).

J.C. Squire wrote (

God heard the embattled nations sing and shout
"Gott strafe England" and "God save the King!"
God this, God that, and God the other thing –
"Good God!" said God, "I've got my work cut out!"

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 09:38 | 4616980 Liberty2012
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I would like to hear from those down voting your comment. Is it from both "sides"?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 11:04 | 4617330 SelfGov
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The belief cramming atheists aren't actually atheists since they're technically still trying to convince themselves of what they claim to believe.

Once they accept what they believe they become true atheists who tend to not be nearly as vocal about it.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 11:48 | 4617477 Zerozen
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Well said.

I suspect for the most part that'll never happen though because to convince themselves they'll need to be able to have a non-zero probability of proving that a god doesn't exist (proving a negative).

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 20:10 | 4619321 MeelionDollerBogus
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Actually it's a disproving of a positive: others define what a god is & the external world defies those definitions. The atheist need only connect A to B,  believer to fact, to dispel the god delusions.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 08:45 | 4616757 Liberty2012
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What you say is true of course, given your definition of God. Some of it is independently true.

"If there was a god humans would be aligned absolutely, categorically and completely with each other in their belief and worship, this is surely self evident." - only if your purpose is to have people be robots

"Most ironically the very notion of god and belief and worship is subject to evolution. If there was a god this also would not be the case. Worship would be static and unchanging unless of course god morphed over time." - again only if the assumption is a God who wants only adoration

A significant portion of my definition of God is Life, Truth, and the goodness of both. All three are essentially the same thing. All are both simple and complex at the same time.

The best description I've seen of God in the physical sense was in a book about the frontiers of physics. Particles being in two places at once, communicating instantaneously. Part of their theory went something like this. The world attempts to become perfect. At some point along infinity it does, and everything starts over again. The Big Bang doesn't make sense. Nothing becomes everything. We can never know everything.

Life itself is a paradox.

The common denominator that I see in the purpose of human beings is the discovery of truth. We are all striving to make sense of the world, to see what fits, to find words that describe reality.

In the end, Life is Beautiful, Life is Good. Truth does exist.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 11:02 | 4617321 Zerozen
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It's a tough lesson for theists to come to grips with but god only exists in thoughts passed from generation to generation.

That's not a fact of any sort, it's just your conjecture.

If there was a god humans would be aligned absolutely, categorically and completely with each other in their belief and worship, this is surely self evident.

Why do you think this should be self-evident? This doesn't make sense. Would you consider the following to be self-evident as well?: "If there was a government, then all citizens should be aligned absolutely, categorically and completely with each other in their political beliefs." That's basically the same line of thinking. If something exists, we should all observe it in exactly the same way.



Wed, 04/02/2014 - 02:02 | 4616276 caustixoid
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wo there sparky!  You using "God" and "think" in the same sentence? 

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 02:14 | 4616291 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Haha, too true. It's insidious though, god is implanted in the young brain so you can't really blame theists especially the ones who lack critical thinking. It just isn't their fault and no amount of debate can unwire them.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 02:24 | 4616306 buyingsterling
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True. And also true of atheists. Particularly because many atheists are driven to accept 'the logic' of atheism because of misplaced guilt about what they are doing with their genitalia. Sorry, but it's true. (probably not about you, though, unless you're strictly going by the odds (and the fact that outspoken atheists are the ones with the most misplaced guilt. It comes from being at war with your conscience, so it's there even if one despises and mocks religion.))

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 02:44 | 4616323 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Mmmmm, I think you've got that back to front. Atheists are the last people to feel guilt about sex, gawd, I thought that was a no brainer. The bloody churches are obsessed with what happens with genatalia, especially catholic priests. Guilt is a childish emotion that has no place in the mind of a mature adult when it comes to sex between two consenting adults. I mean come on, what the hell does it matter where you stick it as long as the other consenting adult agrees to having it stuck there.

Churches are all about control and what blows me away is that a vast majority of people defend their own servitude to the church. A relative recently asked me why I don't go to church. To be civil and diplomatic I just said "Because I can't be bothered" as I was thinking "Because I don't want some dumb cunt telling me how to live my life, for fucks sake, we're adults aren't we".

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 02:52 | 4616333 Skateboarder
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Is you a sinner or is you aint?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 03:06 | 4616348 BringOnTheAsteroid
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I feel obliged to be a sinner, otherwise jesus died on the cross in vain.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 02:53 | 4616334 45Condor
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My feet feel more firmly placed on the ground of reality when I place my trust in the theory of gravity, rather than creationism.


...a stand that I take in private, and thus wish would be respected by those that feel the urge to proselytise.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 05:14 | 4616444 Seer
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"Churches are all about control and what blows me away is that a vast majority of people defend their own servitude to the church."

That "control" could also be "structure."  And, are there any institutions not premised on existing forever (and growing)?

"I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." - Bertrand Russell

And one of the most profound "quotes" I've ever encountered:

Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs

- Gloria (Rosie Perez) from the movie White Men Can't Jump

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 20:03 | 4619277 MeelionDollerBogus
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absolute utter nonsense. An atheist can't believe in god the same way an atheist can't believe suns are made of cotton-candy.
It's nonsense and only stupid people can be tricked.
The gawd-story is so utterly opposite of possible only a truly stupid person would fall for it at any age.

Religion is mental illness. Atheism is lack of that illness. Making up a special word for it is like making up a special word for people who haven't been hit in the head with hammers, haven't been half-killed with cancer.

Sat, 04/05/2014 - 20:38 | 4629041 PT
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Explain modern technology to cave people.

Just because you don't know how it works, doesn't mean it is impossible.  Anyone who knows the history of science should know that very well by now. 

Sat, 04/05/2014 - 20:49 | 4629064 FredFlintstone
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I think your logic is faulty. If religion is a mental illness, then atheism is its mirror image and an illness of another kind. Agnosticism would be the absence of either illness.

Sun, 04/06/2014 - 16:06 | 4629532 MeelionDollerBogus
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The mirror image of mental illness is perfect health.

An agnostic is someone who actually does have belief, can't block it out, but doesn't want to say it out loud. Are imaginary friends sane?

a) no

b) yes

c) I dunno George

What the fuck do you think? The fact we even have to ask the question like that's serious shows that humanity as a species iz Fail.

It's equally sensible to ask for the chemical composition of unicorn shit, to ask how many cheezypoof molecules form the surface of the moon or what is the smell of the ice cream sprinkles the stars are composed of. Utter nonsense.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 07:20 | 4616532 PT
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Do I really have to drag this up again?

There you go, straight from the horse's mouth.  God doesn't exist but society works better if we pretend he does etc etc etc.  Knock yourself out, from the atheistic scientists' points of view. 

Just don't try to tell me that atheism has some kind of "logical high ground".

Perhaps my car would go further if I just pretended that it had more fuel ... 

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 08:20 | 4616648 tony wilson
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you come here shitstain and you quote the rothschild own new scientist as proof of anything.

you are the one living in a bbc fucking fantasy land.


Thu, 04/03/2014 - 08:59 | 4620752 PT
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Now I'm confused.  Does that mean you're Christian or atheist?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 06:51 | 4616505 Bankstein Swiss...
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Come on dont try to make it look like you still did not realise that their God is Your God too.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 08:24 | 4616662 tony wilson
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their programmed cia,mi6 mossad behavior certainly is meant to casts a bad light on their God.

fixed it for ya isaac

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:24 | 4616067 WillyGroper
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If only he'd eat a ham sandwich.


Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:31 | 4616081 MeMadMax
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Ochooma is taking longhand notes...

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:17 | 4616052 Skateboarder
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Reminds me of rule by organized religion as strictly enforced since forever ago, all the way until the Age of Enlightenment and pre-industrialization.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:02 | 4616143 Space Animatoltipap
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The funny thing is muslims are atheists. Just some hot headed blablabla about God does not make one a theist.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:28 | 4616180 Buckaroo Banzai
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The muslim god is Satan.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 05:16 | 4616448 Seer
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Thanks for giving me reason to not look to join your cult.

Haters... folks painting with big brushes.  Rarely is there ever their own thought inside their heads...

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 06:52 | 4616507 Bankstein Swiss...
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Wed, 04/02/2014 - 08:27 | 4616680 tony wilson
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if the muslim god is satan banzai

what is the jewish saturn connection

who are the fallen ones.

are the jews not satnists as well?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 11:11 | 4617357 Crawdaddy
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Where did Islam come from? Was it created to counter the falling influence of the Roman church and state?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 19:55 | 4619243 MeelionDollerBogus
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the muslim god is the christian god - same god - and it is satan.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 09:59 | 4617061 Liberty2012
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+1 Great comment Space Animatoltipap!

Some are. The opposite is also true. Some atheists do believe in God.

All depends on who is using what definition.

My perspective - the main divide or rift is those seeking truth vs those who worship anything mindlessly

Responsibility vs abdication

Thu, 04/03/2014 - 09:01 | 4620757 PT
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a - theist.  Look it up.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 19:53 | 4619230 MeelionDollerBogus
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Ya it does.
To be an atheist you can't have any faith in any gods of any sort at all. Ever.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 08:16 | 4616632 tony wilson
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that is part of the tavistock programming.

part of the process

you folks do understand this family the house of saud these rapists are jewish.

how fucked up is that.

and as for the muslim thing a programming mi6 thing

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:16 | 4616048 DaddyO
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Wed, 04/02/2014 - 12:22 | 4617604 Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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And these assholes (among others) are why I do my best to avoid using oil.  I'd much rather have my car, house, etc. powered by dirty American fuels (which create American jobs) than Devil's Piss from Camelfuckerstan.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:50 | 4616123 prains
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what a bunch of fucking goat herders!!


my god is better than your god fucking bronze age bullshit, how is it fucking stoopid rules the world???

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 05:34 | 4616459 Seer
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"what a bunch of fucking goat herders!!"

As a farmer I take offense to this.

If there were only more people busy herding goats and doing constructive things AND doing less preaching and telling others how they should live their lives, how or what they should believe in things would be a heck of a lot better.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 01:48 | 4616252 JuliaS
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Dawkins Akbar!

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 05:50 | 4616470 Bangin7GramRocks
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Pretty consistent truth. Men who wear dresses are not very tolerant. How long til we bring some freedom to those fucking people. America! Fuck Yeah!

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:11 | 4616032 tony wilson
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THE mi6 run RITE ROYAL JEWISH HOUSE OF Saud Passes New Law That Declares Atheists "Terrorists"


fixed it for ya

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:10 | 4616033 Skateboarder
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That makes agnostics 'enemy combatants'?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 03:08 | 4616350 BringOnTheAsteroid
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That was clever.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:10 | 4616034 FieldingMellish
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"Let’s not forget that just last week Obama was over in the Kingdom cuddling up to these creepy authoritarians."


They have to learn the behavior from someone.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:10 | 4616035 Kirk2NCC1701
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But Captain, you'll be declared a terrorist, if you beam down to Riyadh!

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:21 | 4616058 Kirk2NCC1701
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Trust me Scotty, if I beam down to Riyadh, it won't be me who will be in trouble.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:10 | 4616037 TBT or not TBT
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We're doing our 72 virgins and non virgins in the herebelow, to be sure.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:12 | 4616038 Tracerfan
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The U.S. fully supports this evil oppressive regime, which recently invaded Bahrain without even a whimper from the hypocritical U.S.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:19 | 4616055 knukles
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Halt who goes there my enemy or my enemies enemies enema?
Oh shit...
I dunno anymore

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:13 | 4616039 Oh regional Indian
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The House of Fraud!

The house of Saud!

Saud in Arabic means to deal. They are just a bunch of dealers. In the White House and the House of Saud/fraud. 


Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:14 | 4616040 Spungo
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I don't understand why we're allied to Saudi Arabia. Can't we just invade them and jack their shit? 

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 03:13 | 4616354 kurt
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Some Texas by way of Connecticut families have pledged their cloven hooves to them in a ritual using semen and blood.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:15 | 4616045 tony wilson
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nice video on malay airline fakery with the usual agenda stitched in

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:37 | 4616097 0b1knob
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The woman (actor?) is the girlfriend of Philip Wood?   Philip Wood has allegedly been posting messages from Diego Garcia where he is being held as a prisoner.

This case just gets stranger and stranger.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 04:59 | 4616434 No Euros please...
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Yeah, strange how those witnesses in the Maldives that saw the flight on its way to Diego Garcia were "mistaken" and never mentioned again.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 05:14 | 4616443 francis.sawyer001
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Here in Malaysia the locals are saying that known CIA and MOSSAD agents were seen boarding the plane as passengers.

Another twist is that  the orginal 'good night' has now been pulled as the wife has said "That voice is NOT my husband", so Malay CIA, found an old tape of hubby sayin 'good night' and has issued a new transcript, so at least the pilots voice matches.

I would say that that majority every in SE Asia see this a as CIA/MOSSAD operation, to grab the plane, and its contents.


I agree the Philip Wood story is strange to have sent out a message 10 days later, one thing you can do is get the 'black' photo and then using MS-PHOTO mgr you can re-color and amplify, and its a pretty interesting image.


I would say that given that all content on INTERNET can be faked, but given eyewitnesses seeing the  plane fly low all over ASIA in the South, and given that witnesses are saying they saw CIA/MOSSAD men at the airport and they were given the 'extra seats', the mystery passengers.

Given its now clear the first 'good night' did not come from the captain, it can be assumed that the CIA/MOSSAD passengers took control of plane and passengers and took them 'somewhere', and certainly by now  long gone from diego-garcia,... Shit probably repainted the plane and all.

Almost all Austrailia & ASIA media are now reporting MSM that the CIA/MOSSAD stole the plane.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:30 | 4616077 stant
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dune    bitchez               by the way i am christian

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:35 | 4616086 Emergency Ward
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The US Ruling Elite envies them for their style of government.....right, Cass Sunstein?

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:48 | 4616119 franciscopendergrass
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Fuck it.  We just go full monarchy.  At least, Kings and queens get their heads lopped off and there is regime change.  This every four-years-the-same-assholes-in-charge regardless of political party allegiance shit is getting stupid

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 07:36 | 4616543 PT
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I've been waiting to say it, but if anyone called "Bush" or "Clinton" is on your roles in 2016 then I will forever say the US is a "Timeshare Monarchy".

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 07:49 | 4616557 GetZeeGold
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Cut us some slack...we're running out of Skull and Bone members. It's not that big of a cult.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:33 | 4616087 Flagit
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soo, what IS the definition of an infidel?

do i just have to believe in something, or is there an approved list i have to choose from?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 19:45 | 4619208 MeelionDollerBogus
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Like all religions it's loaded with booby-traps & hypocrisy.
#1 an approved list of beliefs can not be deviated from but you can learn it
#2 an additional list of violations shall be used to justify civil-war religious-wars  between sects and some details may be hazy or change occasionally
#3 a list of approvERS will appear, without you being sure every time who that is, and you'll never know their reasons for sure, but if they decide you're not approved, you die.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 20:47 | 4626991 Flagit
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but if they decide you're not approved, you die.


thx a Mellion!

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 20:55 | 4619522 GuyJeans
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From an Islamic perspective, anyone who is non-muslim is an infidel (kafir).  The punishment for disbelief is clear in sura 5:33 . Muslims are not allowed to take non-muslims as friends, sura 3:28, 4:144, 5:57  .  The athiest is the worst of all since at least the Mushrik (those who commit shirk) believe in a God.    Dont tell anyone else these things or you might be labeled an islamophobe and intolerant.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:36 | 4616088 socalbeach
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How could the Saudis be backwards if 19 of them armed only with boxcutters were able to outfox NORAD?

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:37 | 4616093 4 Freedoms
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two words....."inside job"

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:41 | 4616106 franciscopendergrass
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If it wasn't an inside job, at least the assholes used it as a justification for some of the worst atrocities since WW II and the greatest destroyer of the Constitution since FDR.

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:49 | 4616121 socalbeach
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If it wasn't an inside job, there's probably something to this Allah stuff afterall.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 07:39 | 4616545 peter4805
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Two more words: "Building seven"

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 19:30 | 4619159 MeelionDollerBogus
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2 planes, 3 buildings - easily plausible. It's terrist sky-bowling, the famed 9-11 split.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 08:34 | 4616711 tony wilson
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hey your a liar fella!

my daddy has friends in der nsa and day told us dat 911 was done by sadam hussein the dictator and der assad fella from syria and putin supplied der box cutters whatever day are.

i also saw a top secret drawing done by israel fella netanyahoolio which he drawed some brown fellas in der cockpits wid putin lookin on in der background very scarey

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:43 | 4616092 franciscopendergrass
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Why are we allies with Saudi Arabia?  Let's go over the .gov criteria for bad mouthing a country.

Lack of democracy - Check

Lack of free speech - Check

Lack of religious freedom - Check

Human rights abuses - Check

Lack of women's rights - Check

Lack of transparency - Check

Islamic - Check

Supports terrorism - Check

Lack gay rights - Check

Lack of free speech - Check 

Let's go over criteria for US invasion

Islamic - Check

Authoritarian - Check

Has oil pipelinies - Check

Has oil - Check

We should have denounced and attacked Saudi Arabia a long time ago.  I guess if the US oil companies and military industrial complex says no.  We can't invade or denounce.  



Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:48 | 4616208 Buckaroo Banzai
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What are you talking about? We are almost exactly like the Saudis. A few minor differences.

Lack of democracy - Check

Lack of free speech - Check

Human rights abuses - Check

Lack of men's rights - Check

Lack of transparency - Check

Anti-Christian - Check

Supports terrorism - Check

Lack of heterosexual rights - Check

Regarding your criteria for invasion: we only invade SECULAR arabic states. Any arab state firmly controlled by Islamists, we either leave alone, or support covertly and/or overtly. Afghanistan was the exception that proves the rule.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 01:12 | 4616224 franciscopendergrass
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I completely agree with you.  The government lives on its own hypocrisy and uses all this for oil and to support the dollar.  Man, same team same fight.

By our criteria, the government should invade itself.


Wed, 04/02/2014 - 19:28 | 4619152 MeelionDollerBogus
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America is very strong on christian & heterosexual rights over anyone else's, but your list is otherwise fairly good.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 03:10 | 4616351 kurt
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Slave Holders - Check

Hand Choppers - Check

Sodomists - Check

Prickwad Sons Who Never Worked a Day In Their Lives - Check

Little Girl Rapers - Check

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:37 | 4616095 mccvilb
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Does anti-theist qualify?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 01:34 | 4616245 Skateboarder
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Sabbat - The Best of Enemies

Definitely urge anyone and everyone to listen to the album Dreamweaver, from which this is quoted:

"These teachings that you deem so sacred bcome words devoid of meaning,
When compared unto a faith that preaches something worth believing.
What is to become of us when truth is turned to lies?
Will none remain to wipe the tears when Mother Nature cries?

When living your life like an arrow in flight
You must always accept that the end is in sight,
Be grateful at least for the fact that you knew you came to death - he did not come for you.

You are like targets who sit and await - patiently suffer the arrows of fate,
Saying 'I am but mortal and destined to die - I can change nothing so why should I try?'
Each morning you wake is an 'ember day' dawning,
Your penance for living in permanent mourning.
By erst while ideals your hearts are enslaved,
You crawl out of the cradle straight into the grave.
What reward is a banquet of red wine and bread,
When you hunger for life - but on death you are fed?

Do not underestimate the task you undertake,
Overcome your hopes and fears and meet them face to fate.
These spirits aren't your enemies - but neither are they friends,
Do not dare insult them lest all nature you offend.
They who were here before us will remain when we have gone,
And though we're long forgotten still their memory will live on.
Perhaps one day mankind will see the error of it's ways,
And in it's future glimpse reflections of our yesterdays."

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:38 | 4616099 Toxicosis
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That'll blow my chances for some sweet Saudi princess ass.  Listen here Abdullah, I'm not just a non-accepter of any or your's religilous faith's or what not, I'm an extreme atheist.  But you can rub my buddha belly if you like and make a wish. 

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:43 | 4616110 franciscopendergrass
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"Sweet Saudi princess ass?"  Is that better than Jewish American Princess (JAP) ass?

Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:54 | 4616128 Flocking swans
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We Be Xcuptional and we jus prey on there soles...


Tue, 04/01/2014 - 23:57 | 4616134 ExploitedCitizen
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What about those pondering life, reflecting on philosophy, trying to figure out which religion best serves their soul and humanity?

Does undecided count as atheist to them?

Perhaps the prospect of a circumcision, followed by taking on anachronistic ideals doesn't resonate with one?

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 10:33 | 4617221 Liberty2012
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Anyone who limits thought is for control / slavery

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:14 | 4616146 mccvilb
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According to the strict sectarian definition to be considered a true Saud your mother has to be a camel. Sorry O-B Wanna be Can O-be, also, two humps don't count.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:06 | 4616149 The Shodge
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Ah, with laws like that I would not be surprised if SA was an allie of the US.. oh wait...

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:32 | 4616151 Kirk2NCC1701
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Just tell them you worship a different deity: The Laws of Nature.

And, on occasion, Kirk has been known to be a Sun worshipper. Sun worshipping is best done in diads (pairs), wearing special garments or suits, annointing oneself with holy oil, and performing ritualized movements -- including Wax On Wax Off.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:18 | 4616168 Haager
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I'm not that much surprised that some countries would tie me in2 something that could be called a terrorist, but the reason therefore amazes me. How many known terrorists on the black-lists are/where known to be atheists (Dictators don't count, even if they are/were true atheists which I am doubting)?


On the other hand, this news is brought to us by HWR, which are known for their slightly biased view and reports about Syria and Russia, so I add some grain of salt here, too.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:22 | 4616173 joego1
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Yeah and Obama just handed the keys to the internet to these crazy MOFOS;

If you want to see where it's going just get a ticket and fly to Dubai and the Muzzy's will tell you about how your head will roll if you talk bad about their religion on the internet.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:58 | 4616220 mccvilb
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Some scary shite. We better enjoy it while we can. I'm guessing a private I-net already exists for the chosen ones. It's gonna be every man-jack for hisself, matey, Arrghh. What does five thousand miles of fiber optic cable cost these days? Now here's where crowdfunding would work.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 01:15 | 4616229 joego1
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Unfortunately it will be web sites like this one that will be blipped out of existence first.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 18:29 | 4618959 MeelionDollerBogus
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The design of the internet has never prohibited which connections you can make, it's only a matter of what cost you can afford so you can lay wires or set up transmission devices & routes.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 00:26 | 4616174 chindit13
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Saudi Arabia already has a law stating that the practice of any faith other than Islam is punishable by public beheading.

In the 1990s, the Mutawwa (Committee for the Preservation of Virtue and the Elimination of Vice) raided a private Christian prayer meeting being held by a group of Filipino laborers and nannies, who were already of the Christian faith.  The two "ringleaders" were sentenced to death, which---ironically or coldly---was to be carried out on 25 December.  Only intervention by the US on behalf of the "guilty" got them deported rather than beheaded.

There are no churches allowed in Saudi Arabia.  The importation of any religious paraphrenelia (e.g., Bible, Teachings of Buddha, Torah, Rig Vedas, etc.) is illegal. Heck, even stuffed animals were (are still?) not allowed, since the Ulema is uncomfortable with representations of living things, and they ruled that since stuffed animals might have a soul, they would thus require a visa for entry into the kingdom.

Of course the Saudi Government regularly funds the construction of mosques around the world, including one within earshot of the Vatican.

Many years ago, a Pan Am flight was on approach for landing in Riyadh.  The flight attendant came on to do her speech and ended with "the temperature in Riyadh is 40 degrees Celsius and the local time is 500 BC."  She lost her job.

Anybody here ever drive from Jeddah to Taif?  How about them road signs, eh?  "non-Moslem Turn-off Ahead" and "non-Moslems Must Take Next Exit" as Mecca approaches.

When the US finally needs the oil, it will simply take it (CrashisOptimistic might agree), and on that day, I probably will cut the MIC some slack.

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