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Fort Hood On Lockdown After Shooting, Multiple Victims Reported; Shooter At Large - Live Webcast
Fort Hood, Texas, was was the place of an infamous mass murder that took place in November 2009, when 13 people were shot by a US Army major in what is the worst shooting to ever take place at an American military base. Moments ago news hit that there is another reported shooting situation at Fort Hood with the shooting suspect said to still be at large.
- FORT HOOD, TEXAS, CONFIRMS SHOOTING INCIDENT ON POST: KVUE NEWS
- FORT HOOD, TEXAS, ON LOCKDOWN AMID SHOOTING REPORTS: KCEN TV
- FORT HOOD, TEXAS, SHOOTING SUSPECT STILL AT LARGE: KCEN TV
- FORT HOOD, TEXAS, VICTIMS IN BATTLE SIMULATION CENTER: KCEN TV
- FORT HOOD, TEXAS, HAS `MULTIPLE VICTIMS' AMID SHOOTING: KCEN TV
According to a KCEN witness accounts describes the suspect as a white male with a gray Toyota. Live webcast from KCEN.TV below:
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I'm moving to Mexico ....
East sounds a bit better nowadays
< "Work place violence."
< "False flag."
..."when 13 people were shot by a US Army major"
...allegedly
prolly a Russian......... thank goodness they don't allow weapons on base
Shelter in Place, bitches and don't run with scissors.
Great.
Now we're going to have to have a Department of Homeland Military Security to protect the military from terrorists.
I am really sick and tired of this "SHEltEr in Place" crap!
by John Galt
April 2, 2014 19:10 ET
Here is my “shocked” face:
From NBC News and NBC-5 in Texas:
Shooting Confirmed at Fort Hood Army BaseFrom the link above:
Let me get this straight; again…An active shooter on a front line military base is roaming free and could have killed or wounded up to 8 soldiers and the son of a bitch is still alive?
Let us all take a moment and reflect on the following statement from the news story linked above:
I for one understand telling non-military personnel, medical personnel, etc. to shelter in place. Why the fuck there was not an automatic dispersal of all Military Police or better yet several squads to hunt down and kill the “shooters” on sight is beyond me. After the Islamofacist Nadal Hassan killed those poor bastards while Obama was speaking about the glory of the Native Americans and no preps put in place to secure all US military bases is not a massive mystery; Obama could not give a shit if American soldiers are killed to protect his regime nor if they live, die, go bankrupt, get injured in training, wounded in combat , nor their paychecks showing up on time. One more time for you stupid assess in the military who voted for Obama:
He could not give a shit if you live or die.Why these stupid bastards in Ft. Hood of the 1st Calvary Divisoin have not turned their turrets and marched towards Washington, D.C. to remove this communist son-of-a-bitch who adores Islamist terrorists and violates the Constitution more than we take a dump on a daily basis is beyond me. They have an oath and thus far they have not fulfilled it to protect us from all enemies “foreign and domestic” as they all swore to do. Until they do, sorry guys, you deserve to be targets for this administration’s Muslim Brotherhood type anti-American terrorist friends so keep dying bravely and make those YouTube videos to make the sheeple all feel sorry for you.
If I were the Russians, screw invading the Ukraine; head to San Antonio, put dishrags on your heads and the turrets of your T-84 tanks and march right up I-35 to Fort Hood. The pussification of America guarantees you’ll win in less than a week and MSNBC will declare you were justified in your actions.
Hear hear!
How do you really feel?
While they're sheltering, who's coming in?
Albequerque P.D.?
Also, if you guard/serve Nadal Hassan, grow a fuckin pair and take care of that already.
OT: Dual citizens. 1)Federal Reserve 2)CONgress 3)"Treasury"
Collecting a paycheck/pension seems to outweigh that whole quaint oath thingy, in some cases.
Hey, I think I get it now.
"Shelter in Place" is an anagram for "Sheep in t Cellar".
"Shelter in place" = "Enjoy forced anal."
So the NSA didn't figure all this out before it happened. Why are they consuming $$, oxygen and resources to exist as an entity ????
Good old USofA................... BORING.
Don't forget all that WATER.
Dude, NSA wants to watch your porno and your wife's/GF's bowel movements. WTF would they give a crap about real terrorism?
Update:
The unknown shooter or shooters who have yet to be identified as to whether they are male or female, old or young, race, color or creed, political affiliation or education level, whether they're in the military or not, citizens or not, but most certainly based upon our assumptions are white, Christian, right wing, Tea Party members, gun loving, racially biased, hateful and homophobic have been assumed to have purchased an AR-15 from their local hardware store along with 1,000 rounds of ammunition, 3 dozen 30 round magazines and 2 Gadsden flags. We'll know more once we have figured out who these people even actually are.
More at 6 o'clock.
Even better, early reports from Dallas NBC affiliate is that there are two shooters. live interview with mystery soldier "Tyler"
http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood
Tyler is that you???
That's 1000 armour piercing rounds of ammo. Fixed it for you.
Wait - you guys have TWO Gadsden flags? Son of a ...
"Don't Tread On Meh"
>> In an unrelated incident two off duty sheriffs deputys have been apprehended after a brief chase through the the woods surrounding the daycare center..... what's that ..... we used that one already.... shit.... ok open another can of bullshit for me..... In other news ...>>>>
Rock on Bitchez
Looking forward to reports of multiple shooters reported on the hill or the Shithouse....... duz that make me a tourist, a constitutionalist or a hopeful idiot??
I am not claiming a conspiracy in any way, shape or form, especially given the very preliminary information of this breaking news, but my cynical, jaded older mind (30 going on 70) can't help but wonder at all the odd events (missing airliners, stock market scandals, etc.) that just happen to "cluster" at just the right moments in history to create all manner of distraction & cover for much higher crimes taking place at much higher levels against the citizenry, perpetuated by the inner sanctum of the elite who meet to beat (at places like Davos).
Just a thought.
May Day (the 1st of May) has always been the prefered date for the Illuminati to start or reveal something. So beware the first of May.
Which is also Communist Labour Day and the dance of the Maypole day.
In Chicago, it's called "Dick Durbin Day".
Planes into skyscrapers is a conspiracy--a shooting on a military base is just a shooting.
If I'm a Russian or Iranian general witnessing a 14:1 kill ratio against US soldiers on OUR base, I'd have a boner about a potential war now.
Gun free zones.....bytchez!
Here are the likely consequences... The post commander gets a promotion, more Muslim outreach and sensitivity training, it becomes instantly 5 times as difficult to conduct live fire exercises anywhere in the military, DOD blames Christian bigotry, Base security gets bumped up but the personnel needed to secure a facility like Fort Hood gets cut in half because of "sequestration"... Oh and the next Post commander will likely be named General Mohammad Hassan or something similar for appeasement purposes. So glad I got out when I did.
Why is it always Ft Hood? What is really going on there?
We must get guns out of the hands of military personnel before there's another mass killing!
You can't fight here, this is the BATTLE SIMULATION CENTER!
You! Yes, you, soldier! What makes you think you can be issued a weapon? Your micro-chip record indicates that you've not yet completed the non-excusable mandatory courses in diversity, GLBT training, underprivileged appreciation, poverty enhanced living, post racial harmony baiting and hate management, constitutional destruction, civil disobedience arrest of civilians, domestic terror training, facilities withholding from innocent bystanders, lawless behavior justification and same sex unprotected practices.
Not to mention, you are not a registered democrat, nor have you voted democratic in the last 4 election cycles, says the secret information accumulated on you by the security apparatus.
In fact, I'd say, soldier, that you're beginning to look more and more like the enemy every moment....
Guard!
Oh good, I was worried you died Monday. Glad you are still with us.
these things are starting to happen with some regularity fuu.
these military posts existed before there was a town or State even...let alone "major metropolitan area." but most people don't know their history too well and figure "we were here first" and "the military folks came later."
even a cursory glance of the books says that is a totally false construct however. "might want to start cutting back on all the prank phone calls."
Does anyone remember what was in the news the last time there was a Fort Hood shooting? You would think they would have that place on careful watch, you know, the same way they were really careful with the WTC.
just saying.
Were I in the Army, I'd rather do a tour in Kandahar than serve my time in Ft. Hood.
At least there, I could maybe after checking the rule book and contacting my CO possibly fire back.
like on 9-11-01? that was a cool training drill, then it got out of hand
We can't secure our own borders and we can't secure our own military bases, but by God we can stick our noses into every goddamn country on the face of the earth and tell the people of the world how to run their shit.
Uncle Sam is one stupid, arrogant motherfucker.
The US sends a ship into the Black Sea for "excercises."
Putin sends spetznatz into Fort Hood in response.
It's 1914 all over again except this time its deja vue and rhymes.
I posted this earlier today McMolotov. Pretty funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJSI48gkFc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4L8QMNJyiU
Nailed it. To the wall.
"Otto" in a Fish Called Wanda. Kevin Cline's finest hour.
"Why do we war in Russia" you ask?
ummmm..."because we phucked up somewhere along the line"?
I say again! "Lincoln was a failure"!!!
The dude abides.
Who is this "we" you speak of? I have no borders, and I have no military bases.
"Personell ordered to shelter in place"
They are fucking military and they are ordered to shelter in place?
This fucking country is GONE! Soldiers that can't protect theirselves. Fucking useless government that runs this country! They are soldiers LET THEM DEFEND THEMSELVES! GIVE THEM THEIR WEAPONS BACK WHILE ON BASE AND THIS SHIT WILL NOT HAPPEN DUMB FUCKS!!!!
Boston Strong! Grab yer scissors!
And yer childrens and yer ankles and get the fuck out of your own house.
We're gonna conduct an illegal search at gunpoint.
Precisely my initial thought too Salvador. You're the FUCKING MILITARY, sheltering in place? Grab a weapon, hunt that fucker down, and KILL HIM. He/she immediately became the enemy.
Even the military have become obedient sheep.
Easier to shoot a stationary target hence shelter-in-place the worst mental conditioning we're being fed.
All these events are working on generating fear and poor survival reactions.
As a frequent traveller my older neighbour is convinced I should be worried about more planes going missing, I'm not. So now she's worried about my lack of concern and is most likely going to support increased "security" measures even though she is not at risk.
Twisted.
I feel sorry for the poor fool who challenges my survival reaction. I don't shelter in place, I lay in wait where I decide.
Me too. And the night vision goggles makes it...oh so fun! ;-)
Miffed;-)
The fight or flight response is being conditioned out of us.
Its all about waiting for the 'authorities' to do something, to rescue us, to fix the problem. Didn't folks around the world watch the travesty that was Katrina? Hint: the 'authorities' intentionally delayed response, made the situation worse, and the Shock Doctorine was subsequently employed.
We're giving away our personal power and responsibility voluntarily.
Great rant +1
But you misspelled cuntry.
"Personell ordered to shelter in place"
They are fucking military and they are ordered to shelter in place?
you are an cruel aminal
you want to put are heroes into harms way
these seels in fort hurts
they are inoscents godamit
let dem hide in peace
It's been like that for a long time. In my Dad's day as a company commander in the Army (early 60s), soldiers slept in open bay barracks and all the weapons were stowed in racks in the middle of the bay. By the time the 70s rolled around, weapons are locked up in arms rooms with alarms on them so no one can get to them unless the room is ordered open. The only troops routinely armed are military police. When I was stationed in Germany in the early 90s, our gate guards' only weapons were flashlights with colored cones on them (and they wore reflective vests, very important for safety). By contrast every German army kaserne I went on, which was a lot in my time, no matter how small, had armed soldiers at the gates with loaded rifles and the duty officer had a loaded pistol. A friend of mine who was an officer in the French Army I met one time at Grafenwöhr, he was carrying a loaded pistol as a matter of routine, when I ran into him in the clothing sales shop! Unthinkable for us. I think it's simply a matter that the USG doesn't trust its own troops with weapons except on the battlefield, probably out of a combination of fearing what they might do, but even more so bureaucratic and pussified "leaders" fearing a bad mark on their careers if there's an accident.
Since 2000 I believe TPTB cracked down heavily on the possession of private firearms on military installations and in quarters. When I was still in, as an officer I was permitted to keep my own firearms in my own quarters on post. This is no longer true, I think. You definitely can't carry. I work as a DOD civilian now and have a carry permit, but I can't bring it on the premises, even in the parking lot, and there are big warning signs specifically aimed at that, and our FPS DHS goon police inspect.
It's a terrible travesty and another sign of how ridiculous this country is now, but it was a long time in the making.
Slowly boil the frog! (remove arms and rights)
our advance guard reduced to cowering pussies by gov't decree,
maybe some of these kids will get it, their only kill targets are Zio-approved
I feel safer in Juarez than Albuquerque.
So you can have a cartel murder you and/or pay endless bribes to the po po? LMAO! Mexico is NOT better.
The Pentagon and the US Military have sold out The Constitution, the American people and the enlisted soldiers, sailors and airmen. Cowards. Troops on base should be allowed to have firearms to defend themselves. The Pentagon and military plus the alphabet agencies are a joke.
One could have written this script! Next will be NYC.
Weren't there some mainstream mentions (in the last week or two) of a possible event like this?
Like this:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/01/ex-army-recruit-who-threatened-ft-h...
Maybe Obummer forgot his geography when he said Manhattan
So, I switch to CNN five minutes after ZH runs this headline, and they are blabbing about Malaysia 370 still. "Headline News" my ass.
ZH, on the other hand, has a strong pulse versus palsy.
Zerohedge is just closer to the Lincoln Tunnel.
Are you saying that ZH is front-running the news?
they're not.
reddit is faster - http://www.reddit.com/r/news http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/
Maybe, but at least ZH isn't full of snarky, sarcastic assholes.
/snarksarc
:-)
the comments are both funny and pathetic (there and here), but every now and then you find a gem...
Is this the same reddit that repeatedly removed stories about gov agencies paying trolls to infiltrate and disrupt websites such as here, and, obviously reddit?
probably
I am moving to Russia
That is the conservative Christian south. Guess there ain't goin to be no forgivin, today.
I'm sure this one will be a Russian born solider. Keep your heads low ZeroHedge !!!!!!
Emergency casting is currently underway. We'll know more after dress rehersal and final video editing.
i blame global warming
I blame Bush.
Some people claim that there's a woman to blame...
No woman, no cry!!!
Turn it back, I like that song.
Definitely Bush, Definitely.
Actually blame Clinton, he is one who put the order that soldiers can't carry weapons on base. Bush never recinded the order but he was happy to play the rah rah patriotism card while sending them all out to get killed. God forbid people trained to use weapons are allowed to carry them on base...... Tells you more about what they think about the military in general. They are scared of them also.
I blame guns, and gun culture.
The weather
Is it too late to blame the Polar Vortex, or has that been done too many times already?
I blame the vaginal tampax vortex. It's a 4 week cycle that no weatherman can predict.
And to think mr miffed survived with 3 females and a household full of guns. He should have received the Nobel peace prize instead of Obama.
Miffed;-)
Love ya Miffed. Winter seems to be finally breaking here. Snow is still piled up to my lower ass cheeks but a good Chinook wind should take care of that.
Lucky asshole! We're very very dry. Had some rain this morning but it's not enough. Damn, I better escape while I still have the time.
Oooo... Its the Big One... You hear that Angus ... I'm comin' to you, I'm comin' home to Canada! ;-)
Miffed;-)
Keep in mind, most soldiers are not armed (by rule)... so when living in the states, on their military base, they are as helpless as school children and folks in a no-guns-allowed theater.
From Snopes.com
A change in U.S. Army regulations issued in March 1993 (just two months after President Clinton assumed office) did affect the issue of personnel carrying firearms on military bases, but that change in regulations was issued by the Department of the Army and was not implemented by President Clinton via an executive order. Moreover, that change in regulations came about in response to a U.S. Department of Defense directive issued in February 1992, during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, and not at the sole behest of President Clinton.
Additionally, that change in regulations (which applied only to the Army, not other branches of the U.S. armed forces) did not ban the carrying of weapons by soldiers on Army bases; it restricted the authorization to carry firearms to personnel engaged in law enforcement and security duties, and to personnel stationed at facilities where there was "a reasonable expectation that life or Army assets would be jeopardized if firearms were not carried":
a. The authorization to carry firearms will be issued only to qualified personnel when there is a reasonable expectation that life or Department of the Army (DA) assets will be jeopardized if firearms are not carried. Evaluation of the necessity to carry a firearm will be made considering this expectation weighed against the possible consequences of accidental or indiscriminate use of firearms.b. DA personnel regularly engaged in law enforcement or security duties will be armed.
c. DA personnel are authorized to carry firearms while engaged in security duties, protecting personnel and vital Government assets, or guarding prisoners.
I guess George H. W. Bush had watched to many reruns of the movie Dr. Strangelove on TCM.
Snopes...... Lol
If y'all do some research, you'll find Snopes to be affiliated with...
Are you ready?
George Soros
Yeah, but when was the last time you saw George Soros at a military base shooting random moving targets?
I only posted this to get more Google hits for "George Soros". We need to take aim at old George and make him suffer with testicle ailments before the old fucker escapes us with natural death.
Well, may be he could venture to Africa during this Ebola outbreak. Ebola would do quite a number on those old testicles besides other rather disgusting things. See, Microbiology is Fun!
Miffed;-)
Folks - The Bushes and the Clintons are **VERY** good friends. Poppy said Bill is like a son. Bushes, Clintons and Obama work for the same people and we do not have real elections.
I think the Reagan elections were the closest to reality. Anything after that is totally rigged.
Huh? Aren't soldiers, by definition, "qualified personnel" when it comes to firearms?
Damn, it's mighty curious that Drudge had a story on this last week:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/01/military-hunts-one-time-recruit-pla...
who is the cia trying to murder now?
Anybody that steps in front of their bullets.
You see, its not the CIA's fault if you happen to wander into the trajectory of the bullet from one of their "active shooters".
Muzzie with a gripe?
Do you get a medal if you survive an army fort shooting spree?...
Beer at the Wart House
White Boy? Well fuck me naked!
I'll believe it when I see it.
Per comrade Obama - this is not an act of terrorism unless it's a white american guy in which case it is by definition. That is as long as he's not muslim - in that case he has been wronged and the victims had it coming. Or gay - that's OK too.
You forgot right winger and christian. That gives the left cover for all the terrorists they seem to breed.
Wow somebody really needed a distractor event on a Wed... Look around and see what is being obscured...
So, you have to ask yourself, WTF is going on at Ft. Hood that sends poeple over the edge?
Pork cutlets? A shortage of Burkas?
a concept called false flag
point
endless distraction
so the jewish rapists can carry on
.
Another "Gun Free Zone".
Basically high coporate US Military Officers dont trust enlisted or officers with side arms.
So the hundreds of thousands of public shooting, private shooting and low gun law states have higher trust levels then the US military. Whats that tell you?
Anyone still left in the military is a fucking brainwashed idiot or a masochistic bastard. I, for one, will not fight for corporate overlords, or spill my blood or blood of victims for those fuckers. I've lost enough friends to these fucker's evil schemes.
Who did it? Who knows. It could have been the .gov trying to rally the support they can behind their next invasion and murder spree in a new country. It could also be someone who cracked. Making your living murdering people for the profit of others is likely to cause mental problems.
It's fucked, It's all fucked.
Good friend of mine was a Marine Captain who's been gung ho since his dad died in Vietnam. I was at his Quantico grad and you've never seen a bigger flag waver. Well, that was mid 90's. Now? I can hardly believe the 180 he has made. 3-4 tours over there and he's quoting stuff I won't dare type here. Though I agree with him 100%, it's still hard for me to believe the stuff that he says now. Everybody knows save for the fact that most don't realize it. The debate should be whether or not there's a legitimate debate.
Any parent who allows their kid to join is guilty of child abuse. I talked a distant relative out of enlisting. Once you are in - they own you. They will kill you without hesitation. The military brass are just as evil as the govt and alphabet agencies. Now all run by dual citizens.
Now, just five days ago there was a news story that the military was on alert for someone who was going to commit jihad. Then maybe Monday there was news they were cancelling the alert. And now today, bang bang.
Have to wait until we see just what kind of nutjob we have this time, but round up the usual suspects.
High pitched lalalalalalalalalalala, followed by Allah Huq Akbar, followed by death to the infidels, followed by releasing a video of the shooter claiming martyrdom, followed by the President Of The US pronouncing confidently that this is just your run of the mill "workplace violence".
Clearly young Durka Durka was just venting because his wife left him because she wasn't into daily beatings. We should try to be more understanding of those who have different social mores.
Every man needs a good chattel wife who's into daily beatings.
Those people are fucked up. Even by my standards. Still, good for another 10 points on the e-mini. The beatings, not the shooter.
When the Clinton Admin. took guns away from active duty military personnel on bases this was going to happen. They don't call them peacemakers for nothing. And did they learn nothing from the last 'workplace' violence from the Alluah Akbar types? A-Q and Muslim Brotherhood apologist spokespersons from White House in 3...2...1...
Don't worry, servicemen and women, the police are on their way to save you!
When seconds mean the difference between life and death, the police are only minutes away!
Toyota Camry implicated. Patriots buy GM.
Edit: Sorry. This shit is real. And tragic.
Warm Up folks!!!
Like Fort Hood part I, Aurora Colorado, Sandy Hook, the Boston Marathon... All warm up drills for your pleasure and amusement that you get to pay for until the next big Hat Trick comes....
Enjoy the show(s) at your expense!
Let me guess-the victims were not allowed to be armed, right?
BREAKING NEWS: Something bad happened, somewhere far away from you, that doesn't affect you or anyone you know. Please get caught up in the media hype for days while ignoring issues in your own community that you could actually fix! Thank you. This message was brought to you by the Mainstream Media.
Hey, another "Two shooters were seen. Only 1 was found in a drugged state/or suicided, the other shooter did not exist" story!
AR shotgun for sure.
Hey lakecity, I haven't been in the market for a while and still have a few LC1 cans I paid about $130 for. They were up to $400 last freakout. Did they ever drop back down to "normal" price or are they still up there? thx
check out cheaper than dirt.
supplies seem to be back.
Where's a Drone when you need one :)
ohh my
ohhhh my
ohhhhhhhhhh
my
the humanity
the humaity
wees needs cnn andesun coopers dare wid der green screens to get der trut
Did he use a nailgun, because I hear they are all the rage.
What could it be about Fort Hood that encourages people to shoot other people with guns?
Sophia the reporter is smoking hot!!
Wow! Ft. Hood needs the TSA?!
/sarc
Gun control gun control gun control.
Just warning what the media message will be.As usual.
Keep stacking em baby. The New Bolsheviks want the guns before they can carry out there 100M+ purge here.
it's the neo - Bolsheviks.... been talking about them for months...
"Gun control is Latin, I mean establishment and 'tribe,' for "gun centralization."
"You can have my guns when I have yours."
"I have two problems with this story. First, FOX News reported the shooter was "neutralized." So why look for this other guy except he is a convenient Muslim to place the blame on? Second, given that the guy they are looking for was kicked out of the Army, how is he supposed to have gotten onto the base?
UPDATE: The official story has been updated. Now they are saying there were two shooters, one of whom was killed, and the other one, the Muslim is at large, having successfully (we are told) walked onto a secure Army base, shot some people, then escaped again.
This reeks of a setup." Mike Rivero WhatReallyHappened.com
And anyone in uniform working this as a "psyop" like everything else you motherfuckers do these days, I hope you are the first that get sent to Ukraine when they start mass call ups.
You're a disgrace to both the uniform and the flag!
May anyone who continues to participate in this charade after the truth about 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria burn in hell!!!
We must amp up Diversity... it's great for the country, productivity, and .... everything... right..?
Oh boy Feinstein probably dropped her cocktail and pulled out her buttplug to study the 'guns are bad' teleprompter speech for tomorrow am.
Killers killing killers. It's enough to bring a tear to your eye.
Charles Whitman would have picked him off in a heartbeat and that would have been the end of the story.
You can't have soldiers with weapons on a military base, just wouldn't be prudent.
Not nearly enough fatalities
These guys are not the problem, far from it, that's like blaming the fist for punching you in the face - the direction comes from elsewhere and that is where you need to focus attention, cut off the hand yeah that works for ever so briefly then the cunt in charge simply beats you with the stump or worse hires another hundred or so fists to pummel you..... no decapitation solves the issue best I think.
Fuck DC, Fuck the NAZIONISTS and fuck the Banksters all of them return them to the dust from which they came.
And I'd like to give a special shout out to the Branch Davidian survivors that managed to escape the bullets, gas and flames graciously provided by the kind folks over at fort hood. There's a special place in hell for these murderers.
Hello Wesley....... http://www.brasscheck.com/clarkatwaco.html
Oh, I get that mentality, however it's not a conscript force pressganged into service. It's a volunteer force that knows exactly what they are getting involved in. "Just following orders" is not an excuse and they are all just as guilty as the ones who issue orders. The only heros in uniform are the ones who leak and the ones who frag officers. It's all just a gang of murderers.
I'm sorry if this offends your sensibilities, but them's just the facts.
In a conscripted force, there is no choice other than slacking off or defecting. Slacking off is the better option as it impedes.
In a volunteer force, there is no excuse, none. Unless these footsoldiers have been wiped clean of all thought and willpower to the point of being "tools" no different from the guns they carry, there is no excuse. And if that's the argument being made, they are also unfit to return to genpop and should be disposed of.
?????????
You didn't get the Waco reference I take it....... no worries most folks don't.
However your statement "Unless these footsoldiers have been wiped clean of all thought and willpower to the point of being "tools" .........." yes exactly correct; but this is essentially the case with any professional military force if they are to have any chance of success in the field of battle - therein lies my issue - why are these guys in the feild at all outside the continental US.
My other issue is the military forces swear an oath to uphold the constitution of the US but I am sure they cannot have read it ever otherwise they would march on DC and prosecute the entirety of the politcal structure with extreme prejudice then follow on to wall street and finish the job - Israel would be allowed to reap all it has sown and so on....
I maintain the problem lies with those giving the orders and financing these incursions into other countries, the vast majority of military personnel having seen battle once do not wish to see it again whereas those psychopaths in power having nothing to risk on the field of battle and treat it like a sport.
Personnel from this base were deployed at Waco and ended up murdering American citizens for reasons as yet unknown but absolutely not for the bullshit that was pumped to and distributed by the MSM, again the orders came from above and according to the FBI FLIR video taken during the assault it looked like the order was "a no survivors please" scenario; according to Whitehouse insiders this order came from Hitlery Cunton........
Keep guns out of the military!.....Rocks and sticks are OK...