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Martin Armstrong Warns Of 2016 Constitutional Convention
A very interesting political development has taken place, but you can bet the Democrats will fight tooth-and-nail to prevent it. This week the state legislature of Michigan became the 34th state to demand a “Constitutional Convention” in the United States. Pursuant to Article 5 of the US Constitution, if 2/3rds of the states call for such a convention, (meaning 34 states) it MUST take place. We will see if this is actually honored. At the very least, there is no time requirement so this could be dragged out for years.
Nevertheless, in such a convention, the ENTIRE Constitution is subject to review and can be altered and changed. This could be everything from installing “social justice” to the dissolution of the federal government. Everything is on the table as if we were back in 1776 Philadelphia.
This is an unprecedented event to amend the U.S. Constitution emerging from the states. Normally, Congress proposes a bill to amend the Constitution as was the case with income tax. Keep this one on your radar – we are looking at the potential for real change good or bad.
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Even if everything went perfectly - - - why would they uphold a new *&^% piece of paper, when they don't uphold the current &^%$ piece of paper.
Tyler,
Where is the front page story about SCOTUS lifting the cap on Corporate political contributions!?!
I told y'all that the 2014 and 2016 elections were going to be critical... well, now you know
There is a no "Constitution" or real elections. The USSA is a joke.
How so ?? Right now we have NO Constitution. At least with a convention of states we have a chance to make things right. I say go for it ! If it goes bad then it is tar and feather time.
If they allow it to happen peacefully, you can damned well bet it'll be bad for We The People.
What's truly ridiculous is that people believe their rights are 'granted' or can be taken away from them based on a piece of paper or the declarations of government lawyers in black dresses.
If/When the American people figure out where their rights come from and who guarantees them - - - maybe they'll stop being slaves. But, of course, that might interfere with t.v. time.
This is for the first post and the mindless 90 thumbs up - You guys complained about all that is wrong with the government and yet you spent not a second to understand what this Convention of States is all about before you post your smart ass comment.
How come no one is doing anything blah blah blah .well someone is doing it now -
http://patheoslabs.com/conventionofstates/
JoNoBo - MIndless ? No sir... real politic. Let's start upholding the present Constitution before we start thinking about fixing something that is not broken. What is broken can be traced back to the Great Society programs on steroids, which led to "rights" and "social justice" cause celebre, but in fact are nothing else than neo Bolshevik tools to obfuscate and gain power and money (printed at that!).
So you are getting lost in the theory... the 90 upvotes are considering the practice.
The Amended US Constitution (2013/4) - work in progress.
America is the nation of Gentiles, as discussed in the Bible, a Christian nation, governed by Christians and only Christians, the second invitation to the table of the Lord.
Clarifications to the powers of the Executive Branch.
(1) No American troops or forces shall be deployed in hostile action
outside the borders of the United States without a formal declaration of
War from Congress.
(2) Executive orders are limited in scope of authority to the President's
subordinates in the Executive Branch. They can never spend money or change laws.
(3) The President shall have line item veto authority on all spending
matters.
(4) The President is required to be a Christian.
Clarifications and changes to the powers of the Legislative Branch.
(1) All members of Congress are required to fully read each Bill and
all Amendments, in full view of Congress, before voting on them. Any
member who fails to do so shall be subject to confirming investigation
and permanently barred from public office by the Vice President or
the Speaker of the House.
(2) Amendments to a subject Bill are limited to the the scope of the Bill
itself. One subject per Bill.
(3) Congress shall have no ability to exempt themselves from legislation.
(4) There shall be lifetime limits of 20 years service for the Senate
and the House of Representatives.
(5) Federal Funding granted to any state is limited to 10% of that states
last budget minus previous funding.
(6) Taxation can only be applied to consumption, ie. a national sales tax. This is a single tax
and there can be no other tax. Congress controls only the tax percentage.
Changes to the powers of the Judicial Branch, at all levels
(1) No courts proceedings are to be secret. All courts will be public in all cases, at all times.
(2) Incarceration of any kind is limited only to criminal matters.
(3) Courts are required to rule on pending cases within 1 year of acceptance
or the defender shall be the victor and the case closed with no appeal.
(4) Courts shall have no power to compel obedience to civil orders.
(5) There shall be lifetime limits of 20 years public service for Judges.
(6) A Judge cannot override the will of the voter.
Required Constitutional Review
All new legislation signed into authority by the President do not take
effect until an assigned Appeals Court has declared it to be Constitional. A ruling
of "UnConstitutional" has no recourse and voids the law. Once the law
passes the Appeals Court, it proceeds to the Supreme Court for a final
ruling.
Other Changes:
(1) The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 is repealed.
(2) The 14th, 16th, 17th, 19th, and 26th Amendments are repealed.
(3) Voting is limited to paper ballots by verified US Citizens.
(4) Weaponized Drones are outlawed.
(5) Political parties are outlawed.
(6) Taxation shall be limited to buying and selling between
individuals. All other forms of taxation are not permitted.
(7) Repeal Medicaid and all forms of Government intervention into medicine.
Christian nation:
The United States was founded as, and remains, a Christian nation.
(1) Marriage is between two people, born as male and female.
(2) The Father is head of his household and Child Support/Alimony/other
costs cannot be forced on him (or her) by the state as they violate the
12th Amendment.
(3) Abortion is outlawed.
(4) Separation of Church and State is not Constitutional and is abolished.
Bill of Rights
American citizens have rights that do not need to be invoked. They are
always present as free men and cannot be removed by human authority.
The First Amendment is clarifed to note that Atheism/denial of a
Supreme Being is not a religion and has no religious protection under the
law.
The First Amendment is further clarified to say that freedom of the press
is limited to the accurate reporting of truthful matters. No such protection
exists when presenting opinion as fact, convicting a citizen before trial,
or other news manipulation.
The Second Amendment's protection is clarified so that no local, state,
or federal government has any authority to license, seize, monitor, list
ownership, investigate, or regulate personal firearms of free men. Open
carry and concealed carry is permitted for all free citizens throughout the
United States.
The Fourth Amendment's protection is extended to all manners of personal
devices, personal communication, and airspace around them. Going about in
public is not a reason for authorities to check a citizen in an electronic
scan, video, or photograph.
The Fifth Amendment's protection is extended to civil cases as to a witness
testifying against himself.
Requirements of American citizens
(1) All people are required to speak fluent English before they can gain
American citizenship.
(2) Those found to reside in America illegally are barred for 10 years from
obtaining American citizenship.
(3) The Bill of Rights applies only to American citizens.
Without a Constitutional Convention they've managed to ignore (trample) the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments (at the least).
Not sure why TPTB would follow through with a convention unless they want to make the shredding of individual liberties and rights official.
No, we are just going to shred the ones who run the country today.
What I can't understand about the US is the following (Americans help me out here because I might not know the subtleties of the expansive United States).
If US kids in school get taught about the US Constitution and so forth, then how can a society (i.e. The USA) end up with:
a) a Government that does not seem to represent the US people
b) a culture in which the best graduates want to work in institutions that undermine the original idea of the Constitution (NSA, Wall St, federal agencies, federal law, IRS, intelligence agencies, corporate media
c) a society that thinks it can interfer with all other sovereign countries in the World (this was never intended in the Constitution)
OK, you can say that your Government has been hijacked etc, but why, in that case, do you not take your Government back?
...and don't say because of X-Factor, dumbing down, something in the water...etc... You could say power hunger, money, wealth, corruption, selfishness, etc...but if this is so, then why were the Founding Fathers immune/above such impulses?
Do you not still have elementary and high school teachers (and for first year freshers) who teach and uphold the Constitution?
Do you not still have elementary and high school teachers (and for first year freshers) who teach and uphold the Constitution?
I didn't, and that was decades ago in a "good" school.
USA = Land of Bernays, supercharged with TV and fully-owned media.
And scrips. Lots of scricps.
Pharmville.
No, you have teachers who preach that the Consitution is a 2+ centuries-old document written by white slaveowners who had no way to imagine the complex world in which we live today, and therefore the US has necessarily evolved its written, carefully prescribed Constitution into a living, breathing document that allows our wise leadership and insitutions to evolve with the changing time ... ignoring several millenia of human nature, which the framers very well understood.
Why do we not take back control??? This is how it is done in a civil society.
TV and Hollywood is for idiots who support the lies. I bet 75% if ZH posters have TV and watch Hollywood's crap. Don't complain if you enable the ENDLESS lies.
Good question.
Potato chips, video games, consumerism, Ritalin/Prozac/Oxycontin, massive propaganda, faux patriotism, juvenile narcissism.
And as others have mentioned, a cadre of intellectual neophytes who believe in fascism/socialism/communalism in schools.
Cacete de Ouro - good questions. Ex NYC teacher John Taylor Gatto has done a lot of work in this area. Basically, beginning around the late 1890s-early 1900s education was taken over in America by very wealthy private interests. They did this using foundations and their objective was to destroy the teaching of true American history and critical thinking skills in the US schools. The objective of these wealthy interests using such foundations as Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford, etc was to produce compliant factory workers who would not pose a competitive threat to them or their off-spring. They did Not want strong, independent people who were informed and active citizens of a democratic republic. They took control of colleges of education, and altered school cirriculum without any input from parents or students. Many of the same people behind this agenda also justify their control of the society under ideas of eugenics. That is, they think they are genetically superior to everyone else because of their money. (A rather ridiculous and nasty way of thinking that spawned great horrors in the 20th century). - - - So, these efforts have been going on for more than a century. The mandatory public 'schooling' system has been used as a weapon against the American people.
More talented students are often directed into specialized fields where they serve masters that they may be unaware of. They are compartmentalized and know little outside of their own narrow specialities. Even if lawyers, doctors, or scientists - - - they are little more than technicians with little understanding of the overall system in which they serve.
As for the teachers . . . education department students are often the least talented students in university. Few that I met knew anything about the US Constitution. Many just put in their time till they get retirement. Those that are talented and care are usually beaten down by the system. Often the good ones quit in frustration. It is an evil system to make people unaware of the freedom they have lost.
There has been an even stronger push to bring all students into the indoctrination system. The federal government is pushing more 'standards' which teach students less & further dumb them down. They are targeting those in private schools and those that school at home. Of course, they make up all sorts of lies and say this is for the childrens 'benefit'. They are constant and outrageous liars.
In my opinion, the two most destructive forces against American freedom has been the public 'schooling' system and television.
Thomas Jefferson proposed that all Amerians be given an education (for free) on what it takes to be a free & independent citizen of the democratic republic. Unfortunately, his proposal was turned down.
"If you expect a nation to be ignorant and free, you expect what never was and can never be." - -
Thomas Jefferson
never happen as long as the criminal syndicates known as the Republican Party and Democrat Party have control of the Federal Gov.
Those two abstractions are merely a means to an end.
If the true PTB want another coup, this will be the finest tool at their disposal.
Just like the first coup in Philadelphia.
<-- But I trust the Red Team!
<-- But I trust the Blue Team!
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+1 for keeping the +1 invisible.
edit: Someone else, however, is apparently a dumb fuck who prefers a red dildo up his ass.
But the blue one is too cold.
Err, was that out loud?
This should be a trick question captcha. Any vote redirects to http://trololololololololololo.com/
Lets do it!
Party like it's 1776...
Fend the Ed !
Yes, give the government a new consititution to ignore.
My nomination for the best comment.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/01/21/20-states-vote-to-support-cons...
It was 20 in January, you mean we added 14 states in 4 months?
This has been the best kept secret from the american people if this is in anyway true. It sure isnt findable by googling
I think this part is the kicker, "20 states that have already voted to support a constitutional convention under Article 5 for passing a federal balanced budget amendment."
I will assume that the other 14 did so for other reasons, starting back in the 70's (if memory serves). Once a state votes yes, there's apparently no undo procedure, so they just add up over time.
And now we've reached a threshold.
I need more popcorn.
I recon Armstrong to be the most Enlightened man on Earth today.
He served time after being set up by TPTB - so he must have some Veritas
The US is full of serfs & mental midgets.
Free stuff for everyone!
Hail to the victors valient,
Hail to the conqu'ring heroes,
Hail, hail to Michigan ....
(opps sorry, wrong blog)
At least the states still have to ratify any amendments proposed. If they try to pull a fast one like they did after the articles of confederation, it'll be civil war time.
Not to mention a number of states have rescinded their call for a convention, so there's a constitutional issue there as well.
Balanced budget amendment looms.
I'll take bets on that.
Only as either scapegoat for economic collapse, or as justification for either asset seizure from "the rich" or massive tax increases. Just to balance out current federal spending they need to increase revenue 27% overnight, and the BBA would give them the excuse to do so.If they don't, they have to cut spending by 21% across the board.
Any way you cut it, the country is going to implode economically. The BBA gives them cover for the sins made over decades of corruption.
Texas should be the first state to secede.
Hey, take a number like everyone else, Georgia first.
To hear my uncle tell it, he's waiting for a second state to secede.
"Me and my uncle went ridin' down, South Colorado, West Texas bound"
I'm thinking Nebraska. If they can do it, anyone can!
The only amendment logically possible is the balanced budget amendment, which most state constitutions already have. I hope to God that this develops into a reality.
...well, there is also that one amendment that talks about the right to keep and bear arms. just sayin'
There are other possible amendments, like term limits for Congress, ending the Federal Reserve, abolish the IRS. Article 5 was inserted in the Constitution as a way to bypass a Congress that has gone tyrannical berserk and will not control itself. Your State Reps are a lot closer to grass roots than D.C.
Right, everone gets a 1 term limit. Add onto that, like the congress critters in NH,...no pay, it is a volunteer job.
Really! Only 1! How about:
I am sure we can think of lots more.
"Only 1 spy agency with a budget no more than .01% of the federal revenue"
Make that 0.0001%, and everything they do must be voted upon by all registered voters.
Bro, I agree with all of that and if it would pass in a convention with 3/4 of the vote that would be great but I don't think any of it will happen because conservatives are split on how they feel about being seen as overreaching. The balanced budget amendment would be the one most likely adopted under article 5, that's all I was saying.
I wish the article had some more information on the process of selecting the convention delegates. This could be very good or very bad, depending on who chooses who gets to go. Big time agendas could be pushed.
It's the last vestige of States' Rights - so the power lies and varies with each individual State.
Like any other political thing, it's all about power. I think that the states will grab the power back. That brings the power brokers back to our neighborhood. That is a good thing. The closer to home, the more we can control them.
It would end up the opposite of what the one worlders want.
I think the states want to grab power back, but don't underestimate the level of corruption in government. Many of the delegates will be promised millions and power in order to sell out the last legal block to a totalitarian US.
Agree. My state rep actually returns my phone calls.
He's accessible,and accountable. Axe the 17th amendment
Goodbye Bill of Rights, especially the 8th, 6th, 5th, 4th, 1st, and - ABOVE ALL ELSE - the 2nd Amendment.
Honestly, if we were ever to have another Civil War, I would readily expect such a Convention to precede it.
You have to be kidding, there are way too many gun owners for the states to dump the 2nd. If they did, as soon as they got home, they'd be shot.
Lin S - This I think is the plan. A PTB takeover of the convention to hasten a new "civil" war (is any war civil?).
You need not worry. First, there will never be a convention. The whole point of trying to have a convention has been to get a balanced budget amendment. Democrats will do everything and anything to prevent that, in so much as a balanced budget amendment would require entitlement cuts. Second, there are, at least for now, a plurality of pro 2nd amendment states.
"The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper." -- George W. Bush
you got a source for that quote?
Yep. George W. Bush.
fuck off troll
http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-goddamned-piece...
Ditto to you, my fine feathered friend of mass-murderers.
As far as your source is concerned:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2923825/posts
"Factcheck.org -- A Fraudulent "Fact Check" Site Funded By Biased Political Group"
Duckduckgo the quote. Should be a snap fory ou.
Repeal both the 16th & 17th Amendments and close down the creature from Jeckyl Island!
Repeal of the 17th is definitely on the agenda. So is 3/4 of states being able to overturn Supreme Court decisions within 2 years. So is a balanced budget capped at 18% of GDP as well as automatic sunset of Federal agencies every several years so that they have to re-justify their existence. And 12-year total term limits for Congress critters and Supreme Court justices.
This is a good thing, given that the alternative is a federal system continuing to run out of control until societal collapse.
>>>3/4 of states being able to overturn Supreme Court decisions within 2 years.
Not that it matters in Modern 'Murica, but Congress already has the power to specifically limit the jurisdiction of the federal courts - i.e. Congress currently has the power to exclude specific issues from judicial review. I can't cite the Article, but this topic is most often mentioned when "birthright citizenship" is discussed. Congress, if it chose, could further define the nature of US citizenship, clarifying that "born in the US and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" does not include all persons merely birthed in the US, and Congress could include a provison that this refinement of law is not subject to review and (re)interpratation by the federal judiciary.
Alas, enacting such a law might preciptate a "constitutional crisis", but I have firmly believe that the framers of the Constituion did not intend that the Supreme Court would be the supreme author of federal law, superceding Congress itself.
You have to make it unconstitutional for the government to borrow money. Unless that is included, this ConCon is lacking and a horrible idea.
A balanced budget amendment is the reason there has been a push to have a convention, which is why it will never happen. A balanced budget amendment would most certainly require entitlement cuts, which is a red line for the democrats to go nuclear.
Congressional term limits?
My dream scenerio: Eliminating central banking. Eliminating the income tax.
I side with the south! Rebel yell!
We shall rise again!
do we get a link to a source of this big news?
The interwebz is apparently not your friend (or perhaps it just unfriended you in the last two days)
I hope for a balanced budget amendment, and serious term limits. While we're at it, how about getting rid of the President and White House? Didn't we get rid of a King some time ago?
What. The. Actual. Fuck.
Son. You'll get minimum debt requirements, debtor prisons for everyone else, and legal slavery.
You're a clown if you believe this would ever take place, or make a difference in this country.
Think about it. It takes 66.6666% of the states to agree upon each item. There are more red states than blue states, although the blue states have massive populations of freeloaders. We will get a remodeled constitution, where the conservative states have an advantage. anything way liberal will never make it through. We may end up with states (blue ones) secceeding from the union. Or maybe it'll be the other way around. Then the red states will excell as their own countries and the union will end up in 3rd world status because of too many freeloaders, too high of a tax burden, and just plain blue state idiocy.
Yeah yeah, all that.
Corporations will take over the entire process and the results will become our living nightmare forever.
How about we honor the one we already have?
We really need to get the deck loaded on this one, because the Supreme Court appears to not understand english written in the late 1700's.
I want a seat at the table. Dump the FED, outlaw central banks, Income Tax, strengthen the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 10th Amendments. Also, change the wording from regulate interstate commerce to regulation of interstate commerce is hereby a state function only. Add in that any and all taxes must be voted upon nationwiide by property owners of the states. Last but not least, no bank may use depositors funds to invest/gamble on Wall St, they must, by law, be segregated upon penalty of death by hanging of the bank CEO/President (can't pass the buck down to a mid-level employee that way). Oh, and something about how fiat money will never be used in the USA. Did I miss anything? Please add your comments below.
I completely forgot something, sorry everyone. Anyone classified as an illegal alien do not qualify for any benifits that the actual citizens of the USA merit, and must be deported immediately, regardless of how long they have been here against the law (and in the words of the wicked witch of the west.."and your little dog too!".
"Add in that any and all taxes must be voted upon nationwiide by property owners of the states"
ONLY property owners may vote, NO EXCEPTIONS! Unless you got skin in the game...
Also, I really don't care what your alliances are: ethnic, religious, GLBT, etc., you must have a stake to have a say!
We need an end the FED ammendment, a currency tied to real assests or real assests as currency ammendment, term limits, end lobbying, give each politician a cap on spending during an election - who can raise the most should not be who wins, right to bear arms - period, abolish the irs, flat tax, seal the borders, drug testing for welfare recipients, voter id to vote, ban Islam.
TT - indeed a good start, and not that improbabe either....y'know after the coming reset.
Corporations will take over the entire process.
Hah! Hahahaha ha ha! HHHHAahahahaha!
Fuck yeah!!1!! Oh fuck yeah. Bring it you corrupt faggots! Just bring it like white men, bring everything you got. No shitting around this time, Wall Street faggots. I wanna see what kind of shit you really got, you corrupt bunch of ass munchers.
And I've got so much soul-suffering hell-fire lined up it will take 200 fucking generations for your survivors just to find your motherfucking ashes.
Don't even fuck with the cougars.
c_w, you really do need to learn to express yourself and tell us what you really think.
Conservatives & most Libertarians would be OK with a convention but the libs will go stark raving mad!
Um... NO A con-con is a fucking stupid idea. That can't possibly go wrong right? right......
I wouldn't trust any politician to make a fucking grocery list must less a re-write of the US Constitution. No, this is a very very bad idea and at best a diversion. The Tree of Liberty is parched, not dead.
+1000 to you and the good doctor below. At least some of us are thinking clearly.
If anybody thinks any thing good will come out of this they are fucking nuts. I can guarantee that the democraps will try to get rid of the twenty-second amendment. Who knows what the republicrats will do to the first and the second. They will all do what their corporate asshole masters tell them to do.
Doc, No one can argue that we are not in a constitutional crisis. Obama has amended on his own the ACA over thirty times by executive order. I'm not saying I trust any of these people but the Constitution does call for this under these circumstances. The will of the people simply does not matter to the ruling elite. What I believe will happen eventually is that the sides will become further divided and civil war will result. The divide is going to be dramatic.
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Then why pussy-foot around with political posturing and rancid smoke blown up our collective ass?
Right on! I say a pre-emptive strike is the best move foward against the PTB.
i think it could take place and could change the country. The Covention would materialize when one party has a supermajority of Governors
Corporations will take over the entire process.
You will die alone and forgotten in debtor prison and never know why.
Damn Straight!
Come to Washington in May.
And let's clean out cesspool once and for all -For a change!
https://waveofaction.org/job/col-harry-riley-washington-d-c-solutions-operation-american-spring/
This won't end well.
Let's have an amendment giving corporations the right to vote and hold office.
Can we get one that describes how to administer the corporate death penalty? I'd hit that.
We are definitely screwed if this comes about and the same assholes currently in Washington call the shots . . . . . unless the People have direct input as to the outcome of such a convention.
Its a complete bypass of D.C. They sit and watch and/or snipe.
Nobody knows what the process would be. If the country develops political will to have a constitutional convention, the result will be an effective abrogation of all law. The country will descend into such chaos and political paralysis we might even suffer a foreign invasion.
They can start by instuting a flat tax and disbanding the IRS
Assuming reintroduction of sound money, I consider national sales tax (not to be confused with VAT) a better proposal than flat tax. It would stimulate savings and investments.
. . . . . I consider national sales tax (not to be confused with VAT) a better proposal than flat tax. . . . .
A national sales tax in lieu of the current income tax, or a flat tax, is a good idea as long as living essentials such as heating fuel, food, etc. are exempt from the tax. Otherwise the sales tax is much more onerous than the current tax system on lower income people versus those that make higher salaries, particularly the "1%" crowd.
@Dickweed. Dude: learn about the FairTax (HR-25). You'll like it!
ANY income tax-- flat or otherwise-- is tantamount to slavery.
Agreed -but we need to exempt beer too.
repeal federal reserve act - abolish the Fed
repeal NDAA
repeal patriot act
repeal affordable health care act
re-establish the rule of law
- immediately start following the Constitution, follow verbatim – no exceptions
- review all laws – eliminate those that don’t make sense and are too intrusive
- prosecute anyone who ignores the law
- prosecute the crime center banks for fraud, money laundering, etc, then shut them down
shut down the NSA, CIA, and FBI - and start over with new agencies and all new people loyal to the Constitution
re-open the 911 investigation, with all witnesses present
disclose gold reserves - walkthru/audit fort knox, etc, with live video
establish term limits for Congress: reps 4 terms, senators 2 terms
establish term limits for supreme court: 2 terms or 8 max years (same as president)
make it illegal to get campaign money from all banks & corporations
place a cap on campaign money
establish a public well-known website disclosing each individual campaign contribution for each candidate
close down IRS
close down EPA
close down dept of education
close down dept of (all other complete-waste depts)
abolish all "federal regulations" and start over with a list of just 10
abolish "US tax code"
abolish federal income tax
create a federal sales tax of 5%
reduce capital gains tax to 5% for any and all cap gain types
adopt the Levin “Liberty Amendments”
all good.
Problem is, NONE of them fit the liberal cuntrag pinko progressive la taint lick agenda...
Yea, that's all well and good, but exactly how many government officials have any incentive to do that? Less than a farmer can count on one hand that suffered a tragic accident in the grain auger...
Change the Constitution? What Constitution?
Anyone who thinks this is going to end well is fucking retarded. What percentage of your state and federal reps aren't completely bought off douchebags???????? You want tyranny? Just wait till it's ratified in a CON-CON.
Clap harder and wave that fucking flag with all your life; see you in zee camp...
People around are evenly divided between those who think clearly and deliberately about important questions, and those who have actual shit for brains.
The odds are in our favor then. Only 30% executed the Revolution.
They'll turn it into a globalist/bankster lobbyist circus where one page ends up being 50 with everything changed to appease the multinationals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4ddyGNINr4
Something tells me this would end in Civil War and chaos.....
as if we aren't already on that road?
You are right. Actually, it might even begin with civil war and chaos.
RTFA
"A similar issue came up during the debate over the Equal Rights Amendment, which stalled and died in the 1980s. Some states voted to ratify the amendment but then changed their collective minds, and voted to rescind their ratification. The Supreme Court ruled that the rescissions were valid in Idaho v Freeman in 1982, and the ERA ended up dying on the vine partly as a result. The first arbiter of this question will be Congress itself, but any legal action challenging the validity of the count at 34 would likely refer back to the 1982 decision. It’s more likely that the count is 23 rather than 34, in practical terms."
Supreme Court can't read English and also can't count either.
Every coin will be inscribed with "The common good before private need". Gosh, I've seen that before somewhere... "Gemeinnutz geht vor eigennutz"
Oh yea, here:
Inscribed on the coins of the 3rd Reich...
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=14491.15
The future will be bright with the flames of innocents being thrown into the fire.
The 2/3rds can draft normal amendments, but then subsequently 3/4ths of the states must approve/ratify.
Its a total bypass of the motherfucking authoritarian federal central motherfucking (oops, said that already) government.
Built right into the Constitution
A Beautiful thing !
Check out: The Liberty Amendments - Mark Levin
If you think anyfucking thing in this country can be fixed from the top-down, you're a deluded stupid fuck. Have your read about the rampant corruption in DC, have you ever read a fucking history book? Have you ever heard of the word "ENTROPY" related to diminishing returns of a system? You think that's going to suddenly get fixed with magic fairy un-fuck-it dust? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Mark Levin is a political hack talking his own book.
Stop worrying about the goddamn idiots in mordor on the potomac. Ideally, they will stay in gridlock until each of our communities and some states can get their shit together. Then they can all starve in their Alexandria condos.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but sometimes people need to be shaken from their paradigm. My dickheadness comes from a place of love :-)
this is a bypass of DC - its all done by the states, nothing to do with the corrupt clowns in DC - if you didn't know that, then you are a stupid fuck (sans deluded) - have you ever read the fucking Constitution? and if you are a lazy fuck also, then you won't do anything about it except bitch and moan like here
See my comments above. So you mean the same state representatives that are just as corrupt as the fuckers in DC are going to fix this?
There's plenty to do. Prepare for the system to collapse and develop parallel local systems to take over when the system breaks. Rome, the Soviet Collapse, etc are all instructive histories that mirror our current trajectory. History is pretty clear. The patterns are crystal clear. Understand reality and deal with it.
Read Taleb, Nial Ferguson, Chalmers Johnson, Gibbon (Rome), and Chris Hedges-(need some left thinking to analyze from a different worldview, though I don't agree with him on many things).
Oh, and you obviously haven't read article V carefully enough. Read it again, slowly... If you don't think that could be twisted into evil, you're not thinking hard enough.
Exactly
This could be the beginning of the end or the end of a new beginning. Definitely an interesting development.
"Nevertheless, in such a convention, the ENTIRE Constitution is subject to review and can be altered and changed." Not sure where you find authority for this proposition. There are only questions about this procedure. No answers. I think before a convention could be successfully convened by "application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States", there will be a legal avalanche that will transfix the federal judiciary for a decade. At a minimum, the Supreme Court will have to determine whether a legislature must merely ask for a convention or must propose some topic or amendment to be considered at the convention. How are delegates chosen? Whose law governs such a process? What law, if any, governs the conduct of the convention itself? How is the chair of the convention chosen? What officers should there be for the convention? How are proceedings recorded and reported? Who has the authority to propose acts for the convention? What are the rules of debate? What are the rules for voting and passing acts, for heaven's sake?! If such a convention is convened, by some miracle, there will be lawsuits filed, argued, decided, and settled every hour of the convention, so it will take a year to decide whether there is quorum. A hundred lawsuits will be filed every time somebody tries to make a proposal. In sum, this "application" process is completely unknown, undesigned, untried, untested, undeveloped, unprecedented...and unwise.
Many valid questions here. And some are unknown except by looking at the prior convention for guidance.
Almost certainly the state legislatures will appoint the delegates for their state. After that, so long as those assembled can agree that what they are doing is legitimate and they do it following some recognized rules or order, debate and administration and then can pass some statement or action by a majority then it ought to be sent to the states for consideration.
At that point, 3/4th of the states would need to take it up and pass it in substantially similar form as it was reported out of the Con. Con. After that the Archivist of the United States will have to decide if it gets certified and added to the official print. He then sends that to the Director of the Federal Register, which notifies Congress to the new rules of the road.
My only real objecton to the comment of yrbmegr is that this is an unwise path. I'd argue that the current course is more unwise.
This is the most dangerous thing America can do. If a Constitutional Convention is held, it will result in Civil War here in America. That much is sure.
no no. They'll find a way to make it impossible to organize or even think clearly. I can think of 500 ways to destroy effective engagement. All they would have to do is mandate a national education curriculum that pushes alternative historic narrative, and within ten years "revolution" will be something only perverted degenerates do in defiance of a just God.
Better to sunset the Constitution than continue to ignore and pervert it. Reinstate the Articles of Confederation and nuke the District of Contempt.
No need to nuke'm; like most of the north eastern seaboard they'll have their hands full just trying to figure out how to stay fed and warm through the winter...
Halt the trucks. Ive almost 30 years running meat, produce, seafood, grocery and all kinds of mission critical crap to the whores in the North East who never provide much freight back west.
Stop the trucks a week and watch the cities burn by the second week.
This is the last best hope for the Red states to wrest control of the country away from the liberal judges. The Red states far outnumber the Blue, so if it happens, the battle will be to pick representatives from the Red states that are not already bought and paid by special interests. It might also take a Republican victory in one of the next elections in order to get anything moving forward - because while we are supposed to have a Convention - there are not a lot of guidelines on how to do t.
Red = blue. Both view us as their serfs. The idea that Red is somehow different than Blue is a source of our problems.
All the scumbag political criminals in Michigan need to do is stop taking federal money and stop sending Michigan money to the federal government. Then they can tell the federal government what to do. But that would require integrity and courage...
"In such a convention, the entire Constitution is subject to review and can be altered and changed."
Repitition does not turn bullshit into truth. Utter nonsense.
Bullish!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_A._Armstrong
He is cited in Wikipedia.
His prediction models read like a best-fit ex post facto. I don't know if the Economic Confidence Model™'s prediction abilities can be applied to any one market at finite point in the future.
Exempli Gratis - Going forward or back 3141 days (8 years, 220 days) from October 19, 1987 (294th day of 1987) puts one at the dates,
March 14, 1979 or
May 28th, 1996 (149th day).
Well, March 14th is Pi-day, but that's about it. Nothing happened on that day in 1979. Might be his error in calculation- started with a pi-date and kept adding a pi multiple to it. It has a "Gann Fan" feel to it though. Anyway, broken clocks are correct exactly twice a day.
May 28th, 1996 - Nothing happened either.
Alright, one last check: I will try 6282 days from 10/19/1987: 17 years 75 days. Puts us at January 4th, 2005. Nope- still nothing.
#1 on the hit parade will be guns, the right to keep and bear. No matter which side calls for the conventionm billions will be spent to hijack it's true purpose and get rid of this "archaic" litle paragraph. If you want your guns you better bring em cuz you're gonna need 'em
This is aimed squarely against the second amendment.
Watch, during the convention, AIPAC will show up and demand that the new Consitution mandate that Israel be defended by the USA, given incredible sums of taxpayer money, and be recongnized as a "Jewish" state.
Wait, these things have already happened? Well neverfuckingmind then.