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Martin Armstrong Warns Of 2016 Constitutional Convention
A very interesting political development has taken place, but you can bet the Democrats will fight tooth-and-nail to prevent it. This week the state legislature of Michigan became the 34th state to demand a “Constitutional Convention” in the United States. Pursuant to Article 5 of the US Constitution, if 2/3rds of the states call for such a convention, (meaning 34 states) it MUST take place. We will see if this is actually honored. At the very least, there is no time requirement so this could be dragged out for years.
Nevertheless, in such a convention, the ENTIRE Constitution is subject to review and can be altered and changed. This could be everything from installing “social justice” to the dissolution of the federal government. Everything is on the table as if we were back in 1776 Philadelphia.
This is an unprecedented event to amend the U.S. Constitution emerging from the states. Normally, Congress proposes a bill to amend the Constitution as was the case with income tax. Keep this one on your radar – we are looking at the potential for real change good or bad.
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I think Ben Franklin wanted to keep all Jews out. Better put that Amendment back in.
Are we a Constitutional Republic. A Lawless Banana Republic. I'm cool with either , just need to know which one and I'm ready for the Reset.
My suggestion: the US needs a new ground routes of local groupings who come together with a common purpose to debate what is wrong with the country and then come up with solutions in each distinct group. Meanwhile, liaise between groups to get a common understanding, and then mobilize larger state and inter-state groups to pursue change if need be. Then if the momentum takes, it will develop into a fully fledged movement that has evolved from the real yearning for change.
They allowed dueling at the last one, it sped things along.
Hell yeah.
Maybe I'll bring an axe. Terror clears the mind. You would not like the look of me standing a head taller than everyone else, glowering over the crowd like a scheming Viking, shouldering a black double-bite battle axe.
I could weld one together in an afternoon. I am fucking going to do it. If they bring it, then I'm ready for their bullshit.
Fuck yes cougar_w!
Law 4. I am with you all the way.
HAHA . . . as if anyone pays attention to the Constitution.
All the easier.
I say we do it. 30th Amendment: All Keynesians are to be shot on sight. 31st amendment: if you didn't pay taxes the year before, no voting. 32nd amendment: zerohedge is required reading for 1st through 12th grade. 33rd amendment: The government cannot force a citizen to buy random shit. 34th amendment: Just because you broke into the country doesn't mean you get free shit like citizenship and social security so GTFO. 35th amendment: every household is required to contain at least one of each of the following... Semi automatic rifle, semi automatic pistol, 12 gauge shotgun, compound bow, 20 lbs of c4 explosives. Just in case the free shit army decides to 're group after this convention someday. 36th amendment: fuck you Yellen.
“It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. . . . The freemen of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much, soon to forget it. . . .”
? James Madison
Nothing brings out the loons, the crackpots and the uninformed like a potential constitutional convention.
first thing to go will be the right to bear arms.
There is nothing to change. They need to follow the existing Constitution.
57 states. King Obama said so.
2/3s of 57 is 38. We are 4 states shy of a convention.
You fucking rock.
Abolish the current Federal Government, repudiate all debts, and restart things based soley on the Constitution.
That would shock the world.
And when it goes badly, there will be seccession. Obama and the two parties of shit will screw this up badly.
Who is the economic advisor to these states? Who is the psycholisgt and/or socio-economic advisor to these states? Which group or representatives will lead the convention Tyler? We need to know because the implications can be catastrophic as it can be liberating.
Tyler, you have it all wrong and are doing great damage to the effort to organize this convention. It is NOT a Constitutional convention. Get that? It is an Article V CONVENTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROPOSING AMENDMENTS. Big, big difference.
A constitutional convention would be for the purpose of INTRODUCING or REPLACING our current Constitution in entirety. This convention would not take place until everyone agrees on the agenda of SPECIFIC amendments to be introduced. It CANNOT be a runaway convention because it takes 2/3's of the states to ratify the proposed amendments. IT IS A LIMITED SCOPE CONVENTION!
This is the only way that the states can get around Congress. It is empowered LOCALLY and Congress has no roll other than to arrange for the event to take place on a certain date when the states tell Congress to do so. If they don't, the states will do so themselves. Congress would then be in a state of suspended existence as they would be paralyzed with fear knowing that the entire purpose of the convention is to strip much power away from the federal government and they would be know what the proposed amendments contain.
Geez. Read Levin's book already because you obviously haven't. The US Constitution has already been repealed! We have a runaway Congress already! So how much damage could an Article V convention do to what has already happened? What is the alternative?
We are down to either making use of the constitutional option that our founding fathers provided for us in anticipation that the states would someday find themselves in the situation that they are in today or we can just go right into armed insurrection. Pick one. Restore the Constitution using the powers laid out within it or start shooting.
Again, read the book. It's a quick read and like all of Mark Levin's books, they are easy to understand and written in an engaging prose.
Double post. Sheesh. POS Server on the other end of Fiber. Amazing.
It is not just "Getting around." It is THE Ultimate in crafting a powerful Majority of the States to make changes where ordinary process is impossible.
It is a double edged sword. There are changes that are going to be good for the Nation and there is a chance someone is going to fuck it up.
Jesus, how many shills are on here flogging that stupid book?
Do you believe that an amendment could not be "The existing Constitution expires immediately upon ratification of this amendment"? What is the source of that belief?
Do you really believe the federal government would allow, or listen to, what some states demanded after some random get-together, outside the existing system?
Thanks. Exactly what I hope for
Is there anything more fkd up than the idea of the baby boomers re-writing the Constitution?
Millennials.
I trust the millenials far more than the fuckups of the allegedly "greatest generation" who dug us into this fucking hole. Good job, guys.
WHY?
They don't use the one they have now!
Barbra Streisand - The Way We Were (1975)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-KPGh3wysw (4:53)
Is there a difference in the fed, state, county, or muni in how they milk you?
I live in NJ so to me they're all the same crooks but I'm sure that's all over the US.
(2008; a darkened room in VA. Bath House sits alone in a chair, under a light).
"Bath House, we must choose you or Hitlery during our Burgerbuilder meeting. To be frank, we have some reservations about Hitlery. She is, after all, a native born citizen. She may get...cold feet when the time comes."
"Not me, sirs! I fucking hate America! Hey! Who's my best pal? That's right, u-s flag-stomping Billy Ayers! And, I am not even close to an American! You need the black vote. All they will see is a dark skin and think I am one of them instead of a chinoid and arab."
"Are you willing to follow ALL our orders, to even look like a fool, incompetent, and a spendthrift? You must do this so we can finally destroy America."
"Hell, yeah! Can I play golf, do drugs and blow money on my boyfriends and expensive travel?"
"Yes....just keep the down low...down low, as you folks say."
"Awrighty then! I'm yo nicca! mofos!!!"
"Yes, you certainly are, Bath House. We think you will work out just fine."
(fade to black).
+1,000 Lakecity55
It's as if you were right there at the meeting ...
The CIA, NSA & military industrial complex will respect any changes we perceive as positive to the constitution? Really? Anyone think that those whom manipulate things behind the scene and not-so-behind-the-scenes will adhere to any of this?
Its unrealistic 'hope'. Even if positive constitutional changes did take place quickly... NSA, CIA and the MIC will hold on to their reigns and continue to manipulate anyone that happens to be influential in govt positions...
unrealistic hope...
The elites and their government shit all over the Constitution. Amending it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. When there is revolution in the streets, then we have something to talk about.
A nation of idiots and sheeple like we have does not need to repeal the Constitution. The elites are doing fine by just ignoring it -they own all the scum politicians -they elected them. A Constitutional convention would just allow these syphyllitic, diseased pervert politicians the opportunity to do the bbidding of their masters in exchange for more bribes, whores, little girls (or boys). Avoid the Convention -it would be a farce -much like the national Demoglican Republocrat conventions (which I have refused to watch for the past 20 years. I think we are screwed. I just hope there are enough guns, patriots (or at least angry, hungry people) to get rid of the elitist scum who have raped america and hopefully get us back on the right track.
But they have one or two problems with the old constitution:
Freedom of speech. They need a hate-speech amandment. Since the news monpoly has broken down thanks to the internet, alternative media are more and more dissecting the myths and one after the other is exposed as blatant lie, where often the oposite is true. Just think about all these hate spewing conspiracy theorists.
This freedom of speech thing also makes it difficult for vassal regimes, which are already a bit further in their development of more and better freedom by forbiding any mentioning of Zionist and Jewish influence on the society or resistance against White-genocide as "hate speech", to prosecute dissidents, if they post on US websites located on US servers.
So you will understand, that this definition of free speech is a relict from the past, where no internet existed and not every terrorist could spread his hatemongering, and urgently needs to be reformed to reflect modern technology. In fact it would mean more freedom for everyone!
And the other problematic thing is the right to possess or carry a weapon. Not necessarily the weapon itself, but the whole male and traditional role figure that is connected with it. It must be avoided, that the White boys see the father as defender of the family, when he should be on a gay parade. This reactionary tradition is not so good for the goal of the neo-Marxist gender mainstreaming to remove the last remnants of traditional values from former White societies.
These two things seem to me the most problematic ones that really should be adressed, if the progress of USrael into the 21st century should not be hindered by rednecks and yesterday losers.
Support the changes, support our freedom!
We sure as hell do not need a convention. We need some rope and some balls.
Are people still listening to Martin Armstrong? How come he seemed more on the ball from inside prison walls?
Constitution, wazzat, isn't that an old boat they have in Boston or something?
But if they have a convention let's have a ZH suite with hookers and a printing press, sounds like a good time to me.
The assessment that the entire Constitution is up for grabs is false. The convention would be able to propose up to 3 amendments to be considered by the states for ratification. Granted, the amendments could be quite comprehensive, however, the states would send their deligates along with the scope of the alterations to be discussed. The states can recall their deligates as well. The historical example, the Philly Convention, is a good example: the states specifically authorized their deligates to write a completely new Constitution, no merely tweak the existing one. Even if the convention produced one amendment, the "Right! Scrap that long bit above, we're all unarmed Communists now!" Amendment, it still must be ratified by the states.
I think your all fucked. Hard.
Probably - as all the non-Republics will make suggestions what the USA should change. From SA adding a right to social assistance and recognise the injustices of our past (gutting any Republic they once had) to France's "No body nor individual may exercise any authority which does not proceed directly from the nation." which strips the individual of sovereignty, they all will want to make their changes to 'bring the USA into the family of nations.'
tax ngo's, non profits, churches, charities, capital gains, off shore companies doing business in US
ban dual citizens in government or contractees
limit to one term senate and congress, 5 years one term for supreme court, no go backs.
move all electioneering to public bandwith TV, make it free. No paid consultants or advertising
No lobbys
Corporations are not people and don't have free speech
One citizen one vote
Bye Bye 2nd Amendment..?
Any proposed amendment would still need to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. That means just 17 states could block any proposed amendments
Congress will ignore it and claim that all 34 petitions are not identical therefore Article V conditions are not met.
What "Constitution?"
Armstrong is pretty;
In our Culture of Corruption all rights and wealth will be lost. You cannot possibly think any of these traitors will pass anything good for the American people.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin262.htm
"... the constitutional remedy which I contend is actually “necessary” at this juncture in the course of human events, and which the Constitution itself tells us is “necessary” at all times—that is, revitalization of “the Militia of the several States”—does not posit, let alone require, (in Mr. Baldwin’s words) “having to use force”, in some “revolutionary” manner, in order to enforce the Constitution. The Constitution itself delegates to the Militia the authority and the responsibility “to execute the Laws of the Union” (and the laws of the several States within the States, especially to the extent that those laws might contravene “the Laws of the Union”). This authority and responsibility is thus to be exercised within the Constitution, perforce of the Constitution, and for the purpose of enforcing the Constitution—not extra-constitutionally let alone un-constitutionally.
And it is an authority and responsibility to be exercised by the Constitution’s very principals, WE THE PEOPLE themselves, not simply by their incompetent and even disloyal “representatives” and other putative “agents”. As I have written several books on this subject, I need do no more than remind readers of this column that printing has been invented, and that they should take advantage of this invention."
-- Dr. E. Vieira Jr.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Purse-Sword-Edwin-Vieira/dp/B003FSTVI6
In the CURRENT political environment, I don't see this as something to be alarmed about.
The end result couldn't be much worse than what we're living with right now. I'd hope they could at least reign in the federal government, and remove any perceived question from the 2nd Amendment; reducing it to only one sentence: The Right of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed.
Congressional Term Limits should also be proposed.
Well found a new career objective is to be named as a delegate in your state for the Convention. We can drag out for decades and really have a good party. Plus remember anything that comes out still has to be ratified by the states taking further decades. This will be great employment opportunity and cannot wait for my appointment.
As much as I would like to see some changes, I cannot help but shudder at what types of amendments would come out of this given our uninformed and propagandized sheeple.
And, we have a fantastic constitution now that gets routinely ignored, so it seems kind of pointless.
What are the odds of our right to bear arms surviving this? What liberties can be added - we have the bill of rights and it is trashed moment by moment by all the alpahabet soup of crap organizations like the NSA/CIA/FBI/DHS.
Those supporting this please tell us what good you see coming from this.
How is this one? I just wrote it.
The Armed Citizenry Amendment
The intent of an armed citizenry and of the right of the people to keep and bear arms is not sufficiently clear and protected in the Second Amendment, and thus a deeply entrenched culture has evolved where the government feels it has the right to disarm us, spy on us, indefinitely detain us, and even assassinate us. As a proportionate solution to such extreme and such deeply entrenched culture, and as a solution to the lack of clarity and protection in the Second Amendment, I therefore propose a new Freedom Amendment:
The Armed Citizenry Amendment
In a nutshell, the federal government might still develop and purchase military technology, but the actual defender of the states and the people, would be the states and the people – not the federal government.
The convention could only propose amendments. The only difference from the ordinary process for amendments is that Congress doesn't have to approve them. Any particular amendment still needs 3/4 of the states to take effect.
The problem with having a convention is that the call from the various states to have a convention has occurred over such a long timeframe, decades, and the fact several states have rescinded (and in some cases renewed) their call for a convention. The issue will get litigated to death and end up at the supreme court. Good luck getting 5 votes there. There'd be a better case if 34 states made their requests in a shorter timespan, say, a year.
"but you can bet the Democrats will fight tooth-and-nail to prevent it."
Are you kidding me? Democrats would be licking their chops to use it to their advantage.
The constitutional guarantee to a national convention is currently suffering subordination. Based on the rule of law the Article V Convention is mandated, which means every Congress is in violation of the U.S. Constitution until the Article V Convention is convoked.
Standard parliamentary procedure is not some sort of chaos. Someone proposes an idea, it suffers debate, the question is called, and it's voted up or down. The Article V Convention does not and cannot rewrite the Constitution because whatever is proposed must be agreed to by a majority of the delegates, and then agreed to by 38 states. If someone or some group did want to re-write the Constitution, they'd first have to propose an amendment allowing for that, get it ratified by 75% of the nation, then come back and propose their new constitution, and then get that ratified. The Framers did not leave a self-destruct button in their masterwork.
The constitutional process of convoking/convening a federal convention would elevate political discourse above corporate sound bites because discussion will be about first principles, amending the Constitution--a profound task. Any insincerity will be seen and exposed. The convention itself creates a dynamic that corporate interests can't control, its procedures contrast sharply with the modus operandi within Congress: a convention is a unicameral assembly with no conference committees required to reconcile divergent House/Senate bills. There are no labyrinths of autonomous standing committees with autocratic chairpersons to pass through, and no filibuster to overcome. A convention will initiate reforms Congress never will. Indeed it's the great fear of corporate interests: a runaway convention of the people, by the people, for the people.
Delegates to the convention are not there to reinvent the wheel, but simply to propose amendments. Delegates will have a fresh point of view, the election they come from will have been specifically targeted to deal with what should be done. They're there to propose amendments and then return to civilian life, so they won't be studying polls nor looking for future campaign contributions. More importantly, whether or not delegates reach consensus on amendments today, it's the constitutional process which will save us. It will create a dynamic the same as telling a corrupt accountant an outside audit is to begin, which is really all a convention is, a second opinion. At the same time it will re-educate the nation about the Constitution itself, and why it was written the way it was. It will awaken a sense of confidence and participation in the people, which will flow back into and reinvigorate the regular political process, while at the same time calling the bluff on those who only talk about the Constitution.
For those who don't understand it, it's clear now to many that America is in the hands of a corporate syndicate which controls everything and even writes laws or deregulates law through the legislatures they put in place. This makes what they do "legal" and makes it impossible for the people to hold them responsible. They own everything, including the media, the nation's only source of information, so it's easy for them to brainwash the public. They tell people that any attempt for the government to assist its citizens, in any form, is socialism but they give themselves tax breaks, atop the billions they siphon, and when their businesses run aground, they get billions of government dollars to help them out. They're so brazen that it's clear they've realized we can't do anything about it. The question is, are they right?
We're all taught that the Declaration Independence and Constitution are our two most important founding documents, what we're not taught is that the former was written into the latter. The genius of the Constitution is that it provides for a peaceable break from the inevitable consequence of institutionalized corruption. Whether or not 38 states can agree to any one idea for a 28th Amendment, it's the constitutional process of convoking and convening a convention which will deliver us.
(source) also, Lawrence Lessig
martin armstrong can no more predict the future with his magic computer model than i can. he is a twenty-first century alchemist at best. good luck with that, marty.
it's fine the way it is
1. A Con-Con has as much chance of screwing us as it does of saving us.
2. What makes you think the federal government will comply with a new document or new amendments any more than it complies with the current document and its amendments?
3. Historical correction: the Philadelphia convention was not held in 1776, it was held in 1787. They were tasked with amending the Articles of Confederation and ended up drafting a new Constitution. Refer to items 1 & 2.
.....after which each State held a vote on the proposals. Only when the required number of States agreed did the new Constitution take effect.
"Nevertheless, in such a convention, the ENTIRE Constitution is subject to review and can be altered and changed."
Actually, the only thing a convention can do is propose changes. Ultimately a vote must be taken in each State to either affirm or reject the proposal. Only then, if the required number of States have voted in favor, will the proposal take effect.