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DoJ Confirms "Insider Trading" Probe Of HFT

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And all it took for the FBI, the SEC and now the DOJ to figure out the casino was rigged all along, was for a Michael Lewis book to do their job for them.


As WSJ reports,

The Justice Department is investigating high-speed trading practices to determine whether they violate insider-trading laws, Attorney General Eric Holder is expected to tell lawmakers Friday.


Mr. Holder, in prepared remarks, said the practice has "rightly received scrutiny from regulators."


"The department is committed to ensuring the integrity of our financial markets," Mr. Holder said in testimony about the Justice Department's budget before the House Appropriations Committee. "We are determined to follow this investigation wherever the facts and the law may lead."


The Federal Bureau of Investigation said earlier this week that it is probing high-frequency trading. New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and the Securities and Exchange Commission are also looking into the practice.


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Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:39 | 4624555 i_call_you_my_base
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Maybe Holder will deem HFT TBTF and selectively enforce the law.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:41 | 4624575 eclectic syncretist
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maybe market volume will plummet now.  And what would happen then?

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:45 | 4624590 ArkansasAngie
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Why, the market will go up.  Little volume is much easier to manipulate.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:48 | 4624606 bania
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Maybe Lewis can write an illustrated version of "Where's Corzine" next?

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:55 | 4624622 BaBaBouy
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Howlder Is Now Involved???

Wow, I Actually Had Hopes Something Would Get Done...

Dream On... Bitchez...

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:58 | 4624668 Thought Processor
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What a complete circus this is.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:59 | 4624676 pemdas
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As an individual investor, here is a HFT issue I see often: 


            I put an order an order in for 5,000 shares at $7.00. They sell me 1 share at $7.00, then step in front and buy 4,999 shares at $7.0001, knowing they can most likely sell to some other retail buyer at $7.01 for a $35 profit, or at worst, if the market turns, sell to me at $7.00 for a 50 cent loss. Nice odds. My only recourse is to cancel my order, but then I end up paying a 100% commission for 1 share of stock.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:35 | 4624778 Rock On Roger
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You are a speculator, not an investor.

Quit speculating, money for nothing.


Stack On

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:49 | 4624824 fonestar
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If Eric Holder is on the case does this mean he will be delivering HFT servers to Wall St.?  You know, to see if they get used and where they wind up?

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 11:39 | 4625002 Fish Gone Bad
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Let's see, has Holder done anything about MF Global yet?   

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 13:35 | 4625486 SamAdams
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Lip Service....  Like Feinstein whining about the NSA spying.  It's just BS politicians use to make it seem like they have the people's interests at heart.  Absolutely nothing positve will result of either of these traitor's words.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 15:42 | 4626084 macholatte
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Hand  over some big Campaign Contributions and the Problem Goes Away.

-- Erik the Holdup Man

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:49 | 4624826 Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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Put in a Fill Or Kill limit order.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:51 | 4624830 I am a Man I am...
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that's what limit all or nothing orders are for

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:10 | 4624706 RafterManFMJ
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What a macabre circus this is.


Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:13 | 4624718 crazzziecanuck
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Indeed.  $0.25 and a DoJ investigation let's you use a payphone.  DoJ "investigations" are just busy-work to make it appear they're doing something.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:29 | 4624755 RedHarley
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I expect a few FBI raids on the firms of Obama donors to make sure any evidence ends up in the same dustbin as all of the stuff they took at Solyndra.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:59 | 4624673 Bindar Dundat
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Something will be done, justice will be served. Brad will be charged for his actions at RBC.  

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 11:21 | 4624934 Blues Traveler
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The Jinn's media strategy is working nicely, the press can cover this through Nov elections, see the gov does care about the people.  Well actually mr holder, how much money does the HFT actually make on 50 shares of IBM.  You get it, this is not about the Lilliputians, this doesnt impact them. It is something bigger.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:46 | 4624594 Rainman
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Public pension funds go boom.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:38 | 4624785 Two-bits
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Not to worry Rainman, have you heard about the MyRA program?  We can protect your future from deceptive public pension funds, and tuck away your nest egg in safe US Treasuries.  Sign here and the automatic payroll deduction can begin. 


BTW, do you have health insurance?

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:43 | 4624580 Two-bits
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If now, after sidestepping so many other issues, Holder decides to make something of this, we can know for certain that the collapse is baked into the cake, and that this failed British spin-off is really dead.



Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:48 | 4624604 jcaz
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For Holder to sidestep anything, he'd actually have to understand that something is going on-  ain't gonna happen, he's paid to be Sgt Schultz....

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:54 | 4624644 Two-bits
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Which proves my point.  He is incapable of independant logical thought, and he is directly controlled by his handlers. A sock puppet with googly eyes. 


Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:55 | 4624652 Winston Churchill
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More like Inspector Clouseau in blackpaint..

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:11 | 4624708 Poundsand
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Wrong, it is time to get a big bump in those Democratic election campaign donations.  They were starting to slide and legal extortion is always the best way to go.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 11:52 | 4625046 SDShack
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Bingo, I was thinking the same thing. Holder and the 0zer0 administration is just a 3rd world cop, shaking down citizens and businesses with the threat of serious time, just to get more payola to dole out to their sycophants.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:49 | 4624595 Sudden Debt
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depends on the incentives he'll receive at the HTF kickback meeting he's organising this weekend. Nothing is set yet, let the bidding begin!!


My 2 cents? The HTF will pull the plug for 1 hour, the market will crash and at hour 1.00001 they'll be granted all the inside info and a chair at the FED and continue their business.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:28 | 4624756 Bangin7GramRocks
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I think that you are right. It would take about an hour for the computers to show who really controls the economy and the investigation would end promptly. Maybe a .5% fine of profits would be a suitable tithe to make it all go away. The big banks just whisper the word derivitives and the gubmint shits its pants. Same thing.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:52 | 4624636 GolfHatesMe
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Look the Fuck out!  You didn't tell me you were calling the Wolf!

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:11 | 4624711 Jumbotron
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Holder is not going to do shit because there is too much money to be made....not to mention the whole system will more rapidly collapse in the coming years once you eliminate HFT or severely restrain it due to regulations. 

This is just to scare the rogues in the system to go underground and be smarter so as not to embarrass the SEC any further......and to not take any more time away from their porn watching activities.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:36 | 4624781 EverythingEviL
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What a fucking joke.  Like those assholes haven't known about this shit for years and they aren't all in on it.  They tweet out a bunch of shit like now they are going to do something about it because a book has made it public knowledge.  Fuck all of em.  This will be backpage news in a couple days for the mainstream again and they can go back to business as usual

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 13:22 | 4625430 sgt_doom
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And all it took for the FBI, the SEC and now the DOJ to figure out the casino was rigged all along, was for a Michael Lewis book to do their job for them.

What total bullcrap:  the point of Lewis' book is to focus ALL the attention on that small sliver of how the market is rigged, instead of publicizing the majority of the true rigging:

their internalization business, or how the top brokerages funnel 100% of their retail stock sales/trades, almost every day, to the top banks and hedge funds, where they do the matching, and have all the knowledge of said retail stock trades, on their internal systems (hence they are called the internalizers), also known as "dark pools."

(Plus, there's the DTCC's Stock Borrow Program, which allows for virtual naked shorting of stocks.)

The purpose of all of Mikey's books are to refocus or redirect away from the serious stuff, his book on the financial meltdown concentrated on the subprime market, pretty much to the exclusion of all else, the really important stuff, which would have put the banksters away for life.

Speaking of those banksters, the DOJ invokved the Law of Fraudulent Conveyance against an oil corporation for financial machinations to avoid paying fines --- all correct --- but the very same law is what all the banksters violated and could just have easily been used against them (as Prof. Michael Hudson [] remarked upon long ago!

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:41 | 4624569 digitlman
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5 years too late, fucking Place Holder.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:46 | 4624593 dow jones 20000
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does this explain why the S&P just pooped itself?

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:51 | 4624628 Sudden Debt
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well... whenever a comet will hit earth, let's how we see it 20 years in advance...

they'll probably even first IPO it as a metal mine before they'll even call it a comet...

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:41 | 4624571 Dr. Richard Head
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Aren't they investigating the IRS for going after "conservative sheep groups", Benghazi, torture, NSA warrantless wiretapping, gun running, drug money laundering, etc, etc.?  Yeah, bury it all in an investigation and continue the fleecing and murdering.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 11:57 | 4625063 SDShack
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I heard Holder is going to appoint John Corzine as Special Prosecuter to investigate HFT.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 13:52 | 4625532 Tale2cities
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Yea and Obama said right after the IRS scandal broke "But I have got no patience with it, I will not tolerate it, and we will make sure that we find out exactly what happened on this,"
IRS responds it will take years too respond accurately to congressional requests for LLearner emails,etc.
You know,we can't talk about it because "there's an ongoing investigation"
Yea keep those investigations open forever,and never allow the truth to emerge. I hate all of those DC fuckers

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:42 | 4624577 firstdivision
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HFT was really a small time game compared to the Insider Trading still going on by banks.  Oh wait, I forgot, the "Chinese Wall" prevents IBD and Prop from talking...

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 13:23 | 4625441 sgt_doom
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Thanx, firstdivision, you are exactly on target!

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:42 | 4624579 Fix-ItSilly
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Insider trading?  Are they really going to indict the exchanges who provided different update rates on quotes when bribed?

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 13:26 | 4625452 sgt_doom
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Well . . . since all the financial exchanges and clearinghouses are owned by the banks and their oil companies, it seems highly unlikely, but should it be so, it will be done in such a manner that the exchanges get their fines back --- business as usual.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:44 | 4624582 HRamos_3
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I'm pretty sure that the facts and the law will only lead to extra monies in Place Holder's pocket. So yea, bullish.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:45 | 4624587 Ban KKiller
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Holder is a coward who is bought and paid for. Wall Street will stay rigged as the greedy are rewarded. Is Greenwich fire proof?

James Madison was a revolutionary at 23. 

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:46 | 4624596 SheepDog-One
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AH I in other words it will all be swept under the rug.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:47 | 4624597 Bearwagon
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Probing? Like, with one of these famous anal-probes, usually said to be used by aliens?

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:47 | 4624598 Shrapnel
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Now that Holder is on the case, I definitely expect nothing to change.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:47 | 4624603 Sven Sikztu
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the algos are trembling in their databases

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:51 | 4624605 Dr. Engali
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"And all it took for the FBI, the SEC and now the DOJ to figure out the casino was rigged all along, was for a Michael Lewis book to do their job for them"


They knew it was rigged all along, and they embraced it because the robots helped churn the "market" higher. The book doesn't have a thing to do with their current actions. It would not have seen the light of day if the .gov MSM propaganda machine didn't have something up their sleeve.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:56 | 4624659 Billy Sol Estes
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This is truly the saddest indictment of our country. The truth only comes out when books move up the Amazon best seller's list for our 'Legal? System' to take action.

That there is more than enough evidence that they knew it was going on but were waiting for the public to catch on before acknowledging it.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:51 | 4624609 Max Cynical
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Hopefully this will be handled as efficiently as the CFTC investigation of silver manipulation.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:49 | 4624610 Midnight Rider
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He'll be too scared to do anything about it.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:49 | 4624611 nickels
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Government by "60 Minutes". I wonder if they realize they've got their hand on the tiller?

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:49 | 4624614 Theta_Burn
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Eric "Dick" Holder. can you feel the representation America?

Over/under on indictments....anyone?

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:50 | 4624617 Judge Crater
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AG Holder will now hand in his papers and become a partner at a white shoe law firm that has high frequency traders as its clients.  The revolving door keeps revolving.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:51 | 4624621 Son of Captain Nemo
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Oh my goodness gracious...  What a precious gift we have in AG Holder!

He'll fix it!!!

Right after Fast & Furious..., IRS..., torture...

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:01 | 4624629 headhunt
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Poor DOJ and SEC; there is so much online porn they have to review and now this.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:52 | 4624631 Billy Sol Estes
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Oh this will SURELY change things.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:57 | 4624642 Cangaroo.TNT
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"We are determined to follow this investigation wherever the facts and the law may lead."

To borrow from the movie Night Patrol:

The mayor always said he wanted to drive all the postitutes out of town.  [Mayor drives by in a car full of prostitutes].

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:55 | 4624650 pragmatic hobo
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... with holder in charge what could possibly come out of this?

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:56 | 4624656 centerline
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This whole mess just gets funnier by the minute.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:57 | 4624661 NDXTrader
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At what point do these guys realize they are going to be the sacrificial lamb and stop trading? Every algo could be a felony with Holder at the wheel. The minute Goldman turned it was time to turn off the machines. It would be interesting if they decided to burn the place down on the way out

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:58 | 4624663 asscannon101
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Well, if Eric 'I Don't Know' Holder is on the case, then say no more...

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 09:59 | 4624665 MiniCooper
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Why is the DOJ launching an investigation into HFT and 'insider trading'?

I have never heard an allegation being made about HFT and insider trading.

The issue that needs to be investigated surely is the allegation of 'front running'?








Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:02 | 4624684 The Abstraction...
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Those are my two campaign websites to sue the banks for silver price suppression via HFT.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:01 | 4624682 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Give unto Caeser his clawback on the skim. This is what broke governments do when they can't squeeze anymore blood out of the plebian stone.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:02 | 4624683 Seasmoke
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I would have left the country before 60 minutes was over. That was the signal , the jig was up. 

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:04 | 4624687 Clowns on Acid
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Yeh cause the IRS and Fast and Furious and benghazi are all figured out.... let's move onto HFT trading.... Holder you feckin' corrupt cwunt. You belong on the Zimbabwe High Commission.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:04 | 4624688 Son of Captain Nemo
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"And all it took for the FBI, the SEC and now the DOJ to figure out the casino was rigged all along, was for a Michael Lewis book to do their job for them."...

Now.. Now... Wouldn't have taken place without the sound journalistic integrity of Steve Kroft at none other than "60 minute" that made this dream possible?

Somewhere between starting the next World War with Russia and China his mug needs to be on the next cover of TIME magazine with Pulitzer scribbled at the bottom...

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:04 | 4624689 Seasmoke
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I was going to vote for all the Republicans in November. But now that Obama is going after the bad guys. I'm voting for all the Democrats. 

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:47 | 4624820 Billy Sol Estes
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In very fine print at the top of each ballot it says, "All parties listed below fall under the Scum Party."

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:11 | 4624713 Milton Waddams
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The flash crash was when exactly? Oh yeah, 2010. I'm sorry but what was clowngress considering at the time, when the flash crash happened? Oh yeah, auditing the FEDERAL RESERVE.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:13 | 4624717 Seize Mars
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Pfft. Eric Holder? Oh yeah he'll get to the bottom of this alright.
Mr. "I'll give guns to criminals so I can impugn the second amendment" Holder.
Eric. Fucking. Holder.
Communist traitor fucking scumbag.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:14 | 4624719 Yen Cross
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   That cock sucking shyster Holder is the last person that should be investigating anything... Benghazi, IRS, Fast & Furious, jetting around on the taxpayers dime ect...That parasite should be locked in a steel chest and thrown in the Mariana Trench!

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:37 | 4624736 El Hosel
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Wow,  The DOJ is Trying to figure out if Organized Front Running the US Exchanges is Illegal. Very ambitious.


      Deja Vu

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:33 | 4624771 flacorps
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Nobody will go to prison.

But some congresscritters will see a serious uptick in their campaign contributions from the HFT crowd.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 10:39 | 4624792 alangreedspank
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"Hey buddy, we're looking to write some new regulations regarding your industry and we really want to make sure you end up on top after we're done you know. BTW, how much did you say you were going to donate to our campaign exactly?"

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 11:03 | 4624869 tradewithdave
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Himpton Doctrine... Planned demolition version.

Put Lanny "ripple effect" Breuer on the case. Better yet bring back Bart "the mullet" Chilton. He perfected the measurement of investigations in dog years.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 11:09 | 4624889 joego1
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This will be the dead skunk evidence held up high for all to see justifying Obozo Bonds. Everyone needs to be safely tucked into  treasuries and saved from the evil weasels of street.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 11:11 | 4624900 Incubus
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insider trading lmao.


And politicians can do it without fear of reprisal. 







Fri, 04/04/2014 - 11:16 | 4624919 madcows
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What's that?  Holder is on the Job?  He must be looking to learn some dirty new tricks he can utilize in future political endeavors.  Fucking criminal should be hanged.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 11:21 | 4624926 Quinvarius
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The guy who already announced he will never prosecute a banker is doing an investigation?  Eat a dick, Holder.  You are just looking for payola.  The best we can hope for is that tyou are scaring the turds who cannot afford your bribes into turning off their machines.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 11:51 | 4625042 dexter_morgan
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Well, if Holder is on it, then the HFT's have nothing to worry about based on his track record.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 13:06 | 4625044 NuYawkFrankie
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Holder's first "probing" question to the HFT outfits:

"What were you thinking...  none of this had to happen - why wasn't I getting MY cut?"

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 12:18 | 4625145 paint it red ca...
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"DoJ", WTF

What year is this? Have I suffered amnesia and woke up 20years from O' potus and Holder justice??????

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 12:50 | 4625294 kchrisc
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Just another dog and pony show to limit the damage to the muppets' confidence in the whole scam.

And how is Holder finding the time while he is so diligently investigating Cozine?!


Fri, 04/04/2014 - 14:23 | 4625645 naughtius maximus
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Someone got unpopular with the politburo all of a sudden.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 14:26 | 4625654 divide_by_zero
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If Holder is on it, then he's only going to use this as an opportunity to extract campaign money.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 15:13 | 4625929 SmittyinLA
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If the feds are involved we can be assured settlements, plea deals and non-prosecutions are eminent, these people may even get suspended with pay like those crooked on the take CA senators

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