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Pro-Russia Protesters Seize Government Building In East Ukraine, Demand Autonomy
While the general sentiment may be that Russia has put its territorial expansion plans vis-a-vis Ukraine on hold, if only for the time being, pro-Russian protesters in East Ukraine, whether premeditated or spontaneous, seem to have not gotten the memo. Earlier today, in a repeat of events that took place just as the pre-Crimea annexation plotline hit a fever pitch, dozens of pro-Russia protesters in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk stormed the regional government building on Sunday and hung a Russian flag, demanding once again for autonomy from Ukraine.
The hometown of pro-Russian former president Viktor Yanukovich, Donetsk has seen tensions rise, as they have across mainly Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine, since his ouster and the installation of a pro-European government in Kiev.
Pro-Russia protesters, who had been protesting on Sunday stormed the administrative building in Donetsk, hung a Russian flag over a second-floor balcony. Around 1,500 protesters who had surrounded the building cheered, chanting "Russia!".
A Reuters reporter said around 500 police stood by without interfering.
In the nearby city of Lugansk, protesters also stormed the offices of the state security services. No injuries were reported at either location.
Pro-Russian demonstrators have held rallies in eastern Ukrainian cities in recent weeks, not far from the border with Russia where Moscow has gathered troops and boosted their numbers to tens of thousands.
That this is happening days after Gazprom announced it would hike Ukraine gas prices by 80%, effectively launching the nation into energetic, pardon the pun, and hyperinflationary turmoil, is hardly a coincidence: after all what better way to capitalize on what is certain to be a broad popular revulsion against the new "hope and change" government (which is the same as the government from years ago) which is squeezing the last hryvnia from the embattled population, than to remind the furious population that Uncle Vlad can make it all better, if only the various regions hold a referendum to secede from Ukraine and re-enter the second coming of the USSR.
After all, it worked without a hitch in Crimea.
And this is how it may work in the first major city in Eastern Donetsk that appears set to shift to a Russian allegiance.
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The difference in standard of living between Ukraine and Russia is same as between Russia and USA.
No wonder people want to join Russia.
Average salary in Ukraine about $300 per month. Average salary in Russia about $800 a month.
One wonders if the protesters are being paid well also.
Hmmmm.................
No. They are seeing across the border in Crimea that salaries are going up and pensions.
So they want the same to happen to them.
It is an instantaneous way of raising your standard of living by just changing the jurisdiction without moving abroad.
correct Belrev.
Guess Putin didn't appreciate Barry's warning of sanctions for his oil deal with Iran. Folks, starting to look like this is on, for real. Got your stacks? Me too, think our day is FINALLY at the door.
Everything through proxies. The real game is a long way off. It will be that way untill it no longer suits them to be that way, which may be a while off.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The idea that this is a game through proxies assumes that the leaders involved are actually intelligent.
AHH, here we go!! Pukin will say it's about protecting the people, just like the demonrats say it's about the children! Soon, very soon, Russian tanks will be on those streets too.
Oblahblah, is going to do nothing.
It will be too late, when Russia decides to go full retard, militarily and economically.
I arrowed up just for the " obam will do nothin " part
Your admission of stupidity is appreciated.
Come on people. The stakes are too high for there to be no state involvement on either side of this.
Think.
At the very least, if you are Russia you have some of your people in country handing out Gatorade and Orange slices to the protesters. Metaphorically speaking that is.
You would have to be pretty naive to think that there is no 'Lubrication' being applied to either side in here.
The Eastern Ukraine is filled with Spooks at the moment from both sides. Don't think for a moment they are just sitting around doing nothing.
I will say that I do not know the truth of the reality on the ground at the moment, but then neither do any of you. Therefor it is wise to at least leave open the possibility that the situation is perhaps a bit more complicated than what is being pushed thru the MSM outlets.
Recent (and not so recent) past history with regard to the above types of events requires one to dig deeper. Ask hard questions.
What is at stake?
Who are the stakeholders?
Who has the real power on each side?
Who is backing each side (at every level)?
What is the end goal?
I will humbly submit that the "people of the Ukraine" are not the ones that are running the show in here. Though it would be nice if they were. There are frankly too many outside players involved now.
There doesn't have to be russian state involvement.... ban the Russian language, raise gas prices by 50%, cut pensions, tax savings, depreciate the currency by 20% and then tell everyone how lucky they are to be liberated by an illegal gang of thugs who are selling you out the IMF/EU/US bankster interests.
Oh Hell yes, I would be protesting too!
Embrace the suck Ukies, at least you are not being Obama Cared.
I logged in just to up arrow your statement.
Your admission of stupidity is appreciated.
Sounds like you've already beat everyone to 'full-retard'.
Kinda like US tanks in numerous countries?
Try something other than your neoshitcon propaganda.
What would you like him to do, specifically?
Jump?
What? When nailguns are all the rage? :>D
I just don't see Putin as a retard. That's Obama's level.
It is obvious only one side is intelligent...
I believe the proxies of 1914 took about 7 weeks.
if I've learned anything, it's don't get between a dog and its meat... get between an old russian and their pension and they'll burn a hole through you to get what's "rightfully theirs"... fucking communism habits die hard, folks
LOL. Being Russian is so great that the people of Russia refuse to procreate.
the neo-nazi thugz were paid handsomly by they EU and USA; in fact, the latter threw down $5billion recently...the pro-russians are doing this because they know the EU will Cypress their nation or even worse with the help of the IMF...
The USA and EU funded every protestor on Miadan to the tune of 30-50 Euro a day depending on their rank. Higher leaders were given thousands. This was a fortune in a nation where a day of hard labor returns a fraction of that. The western propaganda does not report this, even though they know it is fact.
So if the US Governemnt, who rules Ukraine, via an IMF puppet sends it's thugs to attack Russians in the East, that is when things could get out of hand. As far as 80% gas hike, all Russia is doing is asking market rates, Ukraine has sucked nearly cut rate gas from Russia since independence. Why should Russia financially support American Ukraine, or rather NATO Ukraine. Soon to be an economic colony of Germany. Wait till the fascists of West Ukraine wake up to reality, the west will not pay their 30-50 euro salaries forever. The new German economic rulers and the IMF will want the protestors to make subway sandwiches at minimum wage for the new German colonists. Watch, this story isn't over, it has just begun. Iraq on Dneiper.
Enjoy your applause (the audience here isn't particularly demanding), but if I may make one small point....that $5 billion was handed out over a period of 23 years, during times Ukraine was headed by people both favorably and unfavorably disposed to the West. That works out to about $18 million per month. Apparently---if one is to follow your insinuation to its conclusion---the aid (which covered a host of things including infrastructure improvements) was kind of like a 1980s style turbocharger: lots of lag.
Incidentally do you hold Putin in contempt because he tried to topple Yuhchenko by poisoning him with dioxin? Oh, and whom will you support when the Chechens demand a referundum on their sovereignty?
Enjoy your applause (the audience here isn't particularly demanding), but if I may make one small point....that $5 billion was handed out over a period of 23 years, during times Ukraine was headed by people both favorably and unfavorably disposed to the West. That works out to about $18 million per month. Apparently---if one is to follow your insinuation to its conclusion---the aid (which covered a host of things including infrastructure improvements) was kind of like a 1980s style turbocharger: lots of lag.
Incidentally do you hold Putin in contempt because he tried to topple Yuhchenko by poisoning him with dioxin? Oh, and whom will you support when the Chechens demand a referundum on their sovereignty?
Looking at Thought Processor's down votes, it seems a lot of people think "Russia must be good because they are the opponent of the West"......that's the same logic as "Berry Soetero must be good because he is the opponent of The Shrub".
The main difference between Russia and the US is that everyone in Russia has the right to be corrupt....in the US, only the ruling class gets away with it.
When only the top 1% are corrupt it is called Fascism, when everyone is corrupt it is called Democracy. Whats your point!!
Are you obtuse or trying to be witty? My friend and I were driving in Kiev one day. We got in an accident, my friend's fault. A few thousand dollars worth of damage. Cops showed up, gathered evidence...one of them told Valera he would find the other person at fault for $100.
Cool anecdote, bro.
That's just another reason not to have government.
I don't know weather to up vote or down vote that. Did your friend pay the hundred??
Nudelman / Soros and other assorted neocons started this with their Kiev NAZI putsch. If Putin allows them to succeed, he can kiss his Mother Russia goodbye with NATO antiballistic missiles on his western border touted in the West to "protect Russia from Iranian aggression."
That's why Russia is fast building a new class of Fleet Ballistic Missile submarines. The only true insurance policy left. They no longer need to sail the open seas to find firing postion, they need only operate in protected regions with air and sea cover. USA knows the value of these wepaons, and invests heavily in them. Russia will probably boost this spending if Ukraine hosts Anti Ballistic Missile systems in Ukraine. The new cold war, making arms makers happy, is about to explode onto an austerity ridden Europe and a money printing, petro dollar dependent, USA. The only difference is Russia buys it's weapons with cold har cash, the USA must borrow half of every dime spent on weapons.
A textbook case of "what's good for the goose..."
That, and "payback IS a bitch". Always !
Hahaahhaaahha.
Nice weather!
Lots of Maidan/ State dept money is in Russian hands. They are not stupid. Stupid is not who gives, but who not takes :)
Meanwhile:
http://novorus.info/
Currently under attack, but wait for it... 20 mins ago it was OK
Bring the maps again!
http://openrevolt.info/2014/03/15/alexander-dugin-now-we-can-sum-up-the-...
Assume much?
You assume too much.
Media will dumb you down...
One wonders if the protesters are being paid well also.
Not sure why all the down votes. The ZATO/BIS empire is conducting full-spectrum war against Russia. If Russia were not trying to destabilize Ukraine by means fair or foul they'd be idiots. Rule #1 - there are no rules.
Russia is actually classified as a high-income country with a growing middle class. Ukraine, not so much.
http://data.worldbank.org/about/country-classifications/country-and-lend...
And the entire difference comes from energy exports. Take a look at their demographics and you will find they are both circling down the drain. Disappearing at the rate nations do when they fail to propagate themselves into the future.
Well, yeah. But that's only because the financial system destroyed the wealth of farming. In many points of history, farmers were always the richest in society, which is why the aristocracy and powerful siezed farming land as much as they could. As for a collapsing demographic in Russia, that's no longer the case anymore.
Most people were farmers and/or raising animals during most of the span of what we call civilization. Now this activity is no longer so labor intensive. It is however more capital intensive. Due to technology. The bankers didn't cause technology. Inventors and innovators did that.
I sort of have to disagree somewhat there. It's more than technology because technological progress was rather steady. The technology just shifted which group of parasites lived off the work of others. In the Roman Empire, through to the French Revolution or so, it was the aristocracy. Today, it's the really the rest of society but primarily the financial system. Or we could agree that people like Jaime Diamon is now the Duke of Connecticut or some other useless title. lol
No. Modern banking kicked in grosso modo 900 years ago in the Italian city states, such as sienna, which is surrounded by farm land. Lived from that or died from it, because most humans were engaged in that. That continued to be true for hundreds more years, until the industrial revolution started manufacturing MACHINES made in factories operating on steam power. Farmers bought such equipment to make their work more productive. Less human labor and animal labor per unit output.
"Farmers bought such equipment to make their work more productive."
This glosses over a very important fact. Farmers were poor. Dirt poor. Grapes of Wrath poor. So how did they afford to modernize and mechanize in the era preceding mass subsidization? Credit, of course, which reduced legally free farmers (no longer legal serfs) back into servitude, debt-serfdom.
Creditors (bankers) always get their pound of flesh. Always.
Farmers were poor. You got that right.
I think this is lost on people.
economics in the long run, operates the same way the capital markets operate.
Derivative products are established to trade because they allow the traders MAXIMUM control over taking advantage of the underlying dynamic.
the derivative is the leading edge most sophisticated technology , allowing the most sensitivity, as well as the most risk of implosion resulting from using it
over time, the history of mankind is the establishment of predictable methods of getting food ( this included technology for killing other human beings and every other possible technology that exists-----in the end they are all for FOOD)
advanced technology is the 'derivative' of any society.
a society's more wealthy secure use of the 'advanced technology' in order to compete out those using the existing technology.
this is in fact a generic method of describing history. the use of advanced technology is not always sufficient for any given operator in a society to thrive relative to others, or for any given civilization to outcompete another,
but in the long run----technology is the defining factor of human civilization as it allows for logistical organization of all factors allowing for more food production.
the biggest difference NOW. is that with the rise of AUTOMATION , TELECOMMUNICATIONS, and robotically based miilitaries.
the newest set of technolgoies will evnetually ( perhaps 1000 years from now )
allow for a smaller and smaller group of people to control the entire food supply.
if you haven't read about the insane level of research and engineering investment going into automating those most laborious parts of farming and harvesting and transporting goods to market----------than you haven't been paying attention.
'smart' internet connected automation is being applied to
fruit picking
tractor operation
harvest of grains
transport from farm to processing centers ( trucking )
'smart' watering on as needed basis by drones.
pesticiding ( in japan theyve been using helicopter drones for a long time)
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It took the united states about 100 years to go from over 30% of the labor force ( some say close to 40) ---to UNDER @2% of the labor force for agriculture.
http://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timeline/farmers_land.htm
------now ------the rise of automatiion and robotics will SPEED UP the rate at which delaboring of the gobal agricultural stock occurs.
if the u.s. was near 70 million people 100 years ago with approximately 20 million workers in agriculture and today at 310 million there's less than 6 million people in agriculture and almost ALL OF THAT occured without internet connected drones------
what do you think is going to happen in the rest of the world?????
the u.s. was an industrial nation even 100 years ago. the rest of the world was closing in on 2 billiion people 100 years ago, with a MUCH HIGHER percentage dedicated to agriculture, probably at least 50% in many countries if not more.
so you have about anywhere from 500 milllion to 1 billion people or so in the world around 1920 working on highly labor intensive agriculture.
the industrialized nations begin taking their rates down radically through mechanization and use of telephones . the internet is embraced around the year 2000 and drones around the year 2010.
if you have not read about the biggest migration of human beings by number in history------it occured in the past 20 years in china, where agricultural workers are pouring into cities by the tens of millions every years. hundreds of millions per decade . and this trend is NOT STOPPING.
in 100 more years, the advaced technology of telecom and automation will most definitley lead to the delaboring of the global agricultural system.
in that scenario, you really will have the worlds population having labor problems. it is already occuring.
but the upside is #1----more people can learn computers to create more technology.
#2 birthrates drop precipitously where labor demand on farms is no longer a primary motive for breeding more children.
the alex jones channel frequently talks about 'agenda 21' as some massive UN conspiracy . alex jones is not necessarily an idiot or a dodo and he is selling panic. it is not a conspiracy that TECHNOLOGY has taken the floor out from under labor demand in the agricultural sector.
if you like labor intensive farming and you want to work your field , go ahead, but generically-------this technology is considered useful to many people. and principally, it allows for institutions and peopel who use it to outcompete those who do not. SO ITS HAPPENING WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
IN A WORLD OF 7 BILLION PEOPLE , with countries like india STILL employing 51% of their 1.1. billion people in agriculture
THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE MORE RAPIDLY THAN THEY DID IN THE PAST because of drones and telecom.
THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE MORE RAPIDLY THAN THEY DID IN THE PAST because of drones and telecom.
As long as The Singularity loves me, feeds me and tucks me in at night, I will be content.
Ask ADM or Monsanto or Kraft foods et al whether the wealth of farming was enhanced or diminished by the application of capital from financial markets. Norman Borlaug's green revolution REQUIRED the application of capital to feed humanity. Also, farming is fucking backbreaking dirty miserable risky work done the old way. Ask a sharecropper, slave, or peasant of two hundred years ago. Or read about it.
That's only because oil has been so cheap for so long. Take that away and let's see what happen to all of them. Not to mention the large amount of subsidies they receive.
I have a fairly large garden (at a community garden) and it's not as bad as people are led to believe, especially when you don't have to care for livestock.
What people don't like is they have an aversion to actual physical work, or claim it's too hard to start. Community gardens are popping up everywhere but people seem to not be interested. For too many, the convenience of just going to the supermarket and buy whatever overpriced crap they sell is easier in addition they can pay for fresh items out of season. Worse than that, everyone knows sacrifices need to be made but everyone is wanting the costs to be pushed onto someone else.
No again. The productivity of farming began its unprecedented leap upward back in the coal/steam era of the industrial revolution. Better plows helped even back when this was still done using draft animals(before the petroleum era!). Better machines for harvesting, threshing, conveying, transporting, counting were in widespread use before the first diesel tractor plowed its first row. Slavery, widely used in farming for millenia before the great and fairly SUDDEN (in the long sweep of history) technological acceleration , became less economical as human living standards and human productivity (using ever better tools and technology) increased.
plow on commercial scale ruined farmland..
all since has been nothing but mine the soil...
the fuckin russians do not need to be lectured on food security by fat fucking arse murdering monsanto execs.
While many in the world are completely dependent on large scale agriculture, the Russian people feed themselves. Their agricultural economy is small scale, predominantly organic and in the capable hands of the nation's people.
in 2011, dacha gardens produced over 80% of the countries fruit and berries, over 66% of the vegetables, almost 80% of the potatoes and nearly 50% of the nations milk, much of it consumed raw.
http://naturalhomes.org/naturalliving/russian-dacha.htm
You drive your own oxen-team (horses only if you're lucky), sunrise to sunset? Sow seed by hand, every acre? Tend your own crops? Fertilize by hand using only locally available natural materials? Water with buckets from a well or irrigation ditches dug manually, you reap by hand with wood (yes, wood) or iron tools, you don't use any artificial pesticides, fungicides, or herbicides, and you grow only with your own seeds or those of neighbors, all of this more or less every day?
That is what "the old fashioned way" means - low-tech, low-energy, low-yield (yields as low as 2:1 to 4:1 were the rule), VERY high labor. It is not a matter of debate that agricultural labor is unhealthy, it is a matter of archaeological and anthropological fact.
I too maintain a garden, but I am under no illusion as to the extremely vast difference between modern gardening and pre-industrial farming.
Modern factory farms are indeed a result of cheap energy, extensive mechanization, lots of technology, and enormous amounts of wealth and thus political influence. Without the cheap energy, political favor, and economic subsidy, they go the way of all dinosaur monopolies, and good fucking riddance to them. But it's quite uncertain that even the best modern organic agriculture methods can suffice to produce similar yields with a similar cost (possibly for economic, rather than agronomic reasons). And that would be rather bad news for the majority of the world which already struggles to afford food at current prices.
Ever been to India? I have. They haven't had a famine there since the British were forced out and vritually all farms are "oxen-driven" and labour intensive. They do not rely on machinery and fossil fuels as we do.
The idea that farming is drudgery is a bit of a myth, largely because of the rise of industrialized monoculture.
It's also a factor in why we have obesity and health problems.
The problem with modern food is the incredible number of middlemen between the field and the plate.
da... its about the money..
"The idea that farming is drudgery is a bit of a myth"
History doesn't care what you believe, and it's quite explicit that farming is worse than "drudgery", which is an insult to poor farmers (a tautology) everywhere.
Farmers have never in the human history been properly appreciated or compensated for their essential labor, instead they have been treated as the dregs of every agricultural civilizations, they were either the slaves, serfs, or simply rural destitute poor, disdained by everyone else, robbed, pillaged, ground into dust, and yet expected to feed everyone. The nature of the work is exploitable - you are tied to your land forever, and you can't protect it (being poor and/or a slave or serf), unlike virtually any other profession.
Yes the current structure of the agricultural economy is a joke, but it has always been a joke, to put it lightly, and if you think the advent of middlemen is anything new, you are deluding yourself (we know the history of farming precisely because of middlemen - tax assessors and collectors, reeves, managers, etc. who employed scribes - literate farmers didn't exist). For most of agricultural history, many farmers didn't even own their crops, land, animals, or tools.
As for India, to the extent they've modernized agriculture without becoming wholly dependent on mechanization and fossil fuels (dubious), good for them, they're still being exploited by a corrupt Fabian socialist state while working harder than just about anyone else.
Keeping up with your tweets and updating your Facebook page - now that is drudgery.
You don't need team of draft animal unless produce above own needs for market...
Somewhat exception is by Swiss Braunvieh cattle tri-purpose for milk, meat and also used draft, but for basic only, not for extended tillage grain production. Swiss very healthy on this high altitude lifestyle..
Most grain is not so healthy. Especially big ag grown gmo and chemical..very terrible.
Buckwheat as common to Russians is...make natural blini pankake...
"You don't need team of draft animal unless produce above own needs for market..."
No farmer in prior to 1900s had either the right or the ability not to produce for market. How many times must this be reiterated? They were serfs, Latin servus, translation "slave" (same applies outside of Europe, without exception, though the legal nuances were lacking in some places).
To the extent they farmed grains, they used plows and draft animals as much as possible. Rice farmers had it the worst, for the unique nature of their work in having to plant, by hand, entire paddies, often terraced into hillsides, again by hand, though northern Europeans got to contend with a poor climate and tough clay-rich soils which technology took quite some time to master (heavier iron and steel plows, etc.).
"Most grain is not so healthy. Especially big ag grown gmo and chemical..very terrible."
Absolutely. But it grows well (thanks to 1000s of years of selective breeding) and has very high energy density ratios (wheat being the highest ever acheived prior to the GM era). Stores well relative to vegetables and fruits (no preservation needed, just drying), and will keep you alive. Great for feeding large subsistence populations, but history shows us these populations were chronically unhealthy.
Ask a member of the Amish how they feel and you may be surprised. Farming is risky regardless of technology, but it's only miserable if you're working for someone else. Shall we talk about the miserable lifestyle of the rest of society?
Haven't you heard? The Amish are terrrrists, what with their raw milk weapons of mass destruction.
How much of their income have the Amish had to spend on defense over the last century or two? However impressive a microcosm they have there, it doesn't exist in isolation from the environment it very luckily exists and persists within. They wouldn't exist, say, in Ukraine or anywhere in the ex-USSR, for example.
Actually...there are much similar..90% of potatoes consumed in Russia are grown on family plots.
No GMO...natural raw milk, cheese other and meats fresh daily basis...
Is why income can go further...unless where Russians are preverted to full western ways and think they need MacDonalds, consumer crap and compete to borrow money...
Most Russians do not borrow to buy things they do not need....
You know Katerine brought the Germans in for farming? mennonite and other and many there now..Many Germans in Russian govt and high positions. Governor of Tomsk Oblast is German. Tomsk is big IT city.
It looks you know not much about subject....
Why spend income on defense to attack other countries?
Many Amish, Hutterite and Mennonite people have their roots in Ukraine.
So whats up with Polyface Farms? The outlier or the future? Fuck Monsanto.
Ooops. I mean frack Monsanto. Fracking is much, much worse than fucking.
The US still leads the world in farming -- cubicle farms and Animal Farm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT5i5zeG51g
Yeah - do it yourself . Putins stopped demographic decline and improved lives of Russians, wich have been robbed by CokeClintonites and Boris Wodkiewitch Jelzin.
Read the figures - how about CIA Factbook ? ( I've heard bunch of commie-moles there, publishing russian propaganda ).
Too late. Russia as in the Russian people are fucked. Demography is a long game.
You sure like to come back to this shit.
Well, I have news for you: EVERYTHING is reversible.
Want proof ? Look at Detroit, how it was and how it got.
Or to US for that matter...
And US/West demographics is a ugly dumping ground with illegal extras taking from others...
Better worry about that....
Energy IS the future and has been for 100 years. The control of said energy is the point of most of the world's conflict.
Demographics isn't a big deal, unlike the US it's about quality rather than quantity.
Immigration to the rescue. Demographics is a huge problem for Russia - if its economy is to be reasonably modern (requiring ever-expanding debt and tons of cheap labor). The estimate I read was that their population will level off around 2050, but that was already some years ago. Drug use and preventable diseases are honestly as big an issue at this point. China has the same problem, working age population has peaked so demographics will be working against them for some decades, but you don't hear much about that even from those who profess to doubt the Chinese miracle. A smaller population could work to Russia's advantage if it abandons the growth meme, but then any pretension to superpower status is forfeited, so given its position Russia is much more likely (obviously, as we are seeing) to attempt to become the regional hegemon, which means its economic lifeblood (energy exports) will be diminished at an ever faster rate. Just like Saudi Arabia, it's game over when the energy exports start to decline.
Selective immigration would solve some of Russia's demographic problem, and contract workers from India and China could supply cheap labor for modernization. The Russians seem to have made good use of immigrant labor in the build-out of Sochi. Countries working together for the mutual benefit of all, a foreign concept to most Americans.
Drug use is a symptom of the disease of poverty, which is mostly cured by decent-paying jobs. Pill-popping Americans should know this all too well. Endless growth is a fallacy of capitalism. Intelligent management of growth and resources can keep the party going for many decades, especially if kept away from the tentacles of Western banks. Crushing debt is the result of greed and mismanagement.
Russia is the exact opposite of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia's resources are limited to oil and sand, and the oil's been pumping for the last 50+ years. In case you haven't seen a map, Russia is a huge fucking country with an abundance of resources that it is just starting to exploit. They also don't have religious fanaticism on which to waste their time and brain cycles.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe Russia doesn't want to be a superpower? I think China and Russia would be content with being major players, which they already are. Not everyone is jealous of the US. In fact, Americans should be viewed with pity. Revolving trips to strip malls to buy cheap plastic shit on credit to console themselves over what might have been if they hadn't sold their souls.
One of the debate was who had the best growing economies - China or India. China cheap manufacturing (low low margin to no profit margin) versus India phone rooms and programmers. Chinese computer programming is good but knowledge of English helps a lot.
The conclusion was India supposedly had the better model. Russia has many advantages along with neighboring countries.
1. Smart people. Good education.
2. Less feral populace than the USA. See USSA leader.
3. Energy.
4. Decent food production.
5. Neighboring countries with some cultural similarities. Mainly Christian people.
6. Tech savvy young people.
7. Strong enough military and weapons to deter scum like ZATO.
Russia does not have an easy road but Putin is pretty smart. If he can become a good friend and partner with neighboring allied countries then Russia can pull themselves Asia and Eastern Europe up. Good relations with Scandinavia and Germany will be a big plus as well.
My money would be on Russia. I would bet 85% of the Americans posting here still watch TV and Hollywood's shit like dumb sheep enabling the criminal matrix. Americans who watch TV are even lower than sheep because at least God gave humans a bigger brain.
It is so ironic, the West plotted and schemed to overthrow the elected Government, now that they have they will need to continually prop the country up with Billions of dollars every single year, much of it to go to Russia's Gazprom, if they don't the people, primarily in the East of the Ukraine will want to be ruled by Russia, in order to refuse the people of the Ukraine their right of self determination the US will reveal itself as a dictator and hater of freedom, just to add a little salt in there, the east Ukraine is where 90% of all the resources are and Putin comes out looking like a hero...and lets not forget he got the Crimea back with hardly a shot, something the US could never do, no wonder Obama is pissed, I would be too.
The West will not be propping "Ukraine" up. All the proposed "taxpayer" money will be making an electron round trip to German banks so Ukraine does not default on their bond payments. When you consider Deutshe Bank's leverage, it is critical.
What's the average monthly welfare 'salary' in the US again?
Could you imagine Nuland and McCain in the middle of that crowd tying to hand out free bread ?
F Nudelman, McCain, O, Zato, EU-SSR, banksters.
"Hey Vlad, now that you've rightfully got Crimea back, what are you gonna do?"
"I'm going to Donetsk-neyland!"
GO PUTIN!
These Russians just don't get it, do they? Fuck this. It's time to frighten the fuck out of them for real. Send in Moochelle.
What nerve! Any claim to independence will not be honoured by the West.
Nobody needs to ask West. It is between Russia and East Ukraine. If they apply and Russia accepts it is a deal. The rest is irrelevant.
Yeah but...but..we are exceptional! They are supposed to listen to our exceptional selves!
It is the cummunative property of exceptionalism.
If you are exceptional,
everything you think is exceptional....
No more Mr nice guy,send Hilary in.
Yeah but...but..we are exceptional!
Exceptionally stupid, maybe.
This agression cannot stand, man. Next thing you know, sovereign countries will be trying to buy crude with their own currencies or products. What's this freakin' world coming to.
It's starting to get warm outside. If it doesn't happen by this Summer. It will never happen.
There won't be any more winters?
"dozens of pro-Russia protesters"
wrong, dozens of russia-financed civilian provocateurs and FSB operatives. 1500 total. in a city of 1+ million people. 0.1% - that's all that Putin was able to afford to "buy." LOL.
Interestingly, they gathered in front of the Lenin monument. Since USSR fell they used to gather there every may 1 with banners "Lenin, Stalin, USSR." I suppose now they have to make new banners "Lenin, Stalin, Putin, USSSR"
F*%^ing degenerate country and degenerate people. What r u gonna do... (answer: nuke 'em before they nuke the rest of the world)
Most of the protestors in Kiev were bussed in.
Demographics, another fact that useful idiots omit. Even Wikipedia admits Russians are a majority in Donetsk.
Start crying "bloody murder" first when/if you see pro-Russian rallies in L'vov.
If you wanna say fucking, just say it, no need for self-censorship, ya stupid cunt.
He can't say fuck but can advocate nuking a country...
He's been here more than 4 fucking years, and he's still a fucking fucktard. I guess you really can't fucking fix stupid.
Wow!! You obviously suxed some bad Juu kok last night, get over it. I'm sure a parasite like you watching your ill gotten gains in the market evaporate dont help. Move back to Israel!!
History of ukraine - an invention of the Germans -
http://tarpley.net/metaphysical-doubts-concerning-the-existence-of-moder...
You want to drop a nuclear bomb on a bunch of people? What is wrong with you?
Hey b_thunder
Nice minus you be sportin.
The only country which has ever nuked another, is America.
The lands now called "East Ukraine" have been Russian and part of Russia for centuries. It's about time the political boundries were redrawn to reflect who's actually living there.
Not really. The borders of Europe have been a lot more fluid over the last 500 years than people think.
I like how one Moscow professor put it. The Ukraine is like an island. As the empires receed the island gets bigger, but when the surrounding empires (Poland, Lithuania, Russia) were on the rise, the island disappeared.
Seems that with the rise of Russian wealth, some in the Ukraine realize that their future is better than the east than it is looking at their futures. A future that looks more like Greece by the hour.
" Compound the vicious catfight among dodgy factions in Kiev, from fascists to Saint Yulia "Kill all the Russians" Timoschenko; Gazprom raising the price of natural gas by 80%; and the International Monetary Fund about to unleash some nasty structural adjustment that will make Greece look like Cinderella playing in a rose garden, and all that Moscow needs to do is sit back, relax and watch the (internal) carnage."
http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-03-040414.html
Greece ? Disneyland in comparison. IMF will obliterate them ....
The word Ukraine literally means border lands.
again..."conventional military forces build up proceeds apace." You don't want to be living 80 miles on either side of that border.
Neo-Confederates should take over the Capital of Georgia in Atlanta and demanded autonomy from the USA. There is a Government in Waiting ready to re-establish the Confederate States. The Confederate States never surrendered or officially rejoined the United States. The only paper signed was a cease fire.
http://dixienet.org/
I kinda like the 14th amendment though. Can we we have a confederacy 2.0, practicing small r republicanism?
Frack the 14th, nothing but the Nurnburg Laws writ small.
The USA has a single party system. The Republican and Democrat party's are a farce. They are only there to make it appear there are two party's. The real party in control of the political system in the USA are the Progressives. They are in both "party's" and use both to inflict their policy’s on the citizens. The USA is on the brink of collapse. One way or another the 50 state nation will break up the same way the Soviet Union did. The Confederates are ready for it. The other states are not. It's going to get really ugly north of the Mason-Dixon line once the collapse hits.
Throw in Colorado and Idaho and its a deal.
PS New Hampshire too. Love their motto.
I for one would welcome the seccession of the South. The poorest states are all in the South, so leaving would certainly be a help to the rest of us. Good luck.
Nice pictures, you cannot even see the chessboard.....
I sure didn't see this coming.
))))))While the general sentiment may be that Russia has put its territorial expansion plans vis-a-vis Ukraine on hold, if only for the time being,((((
Bullshit. Russia never had any "territorial expansions plans" until the bully USA start to destabilize and take over. Russia is in defence mode you ass.
Propaganda bullshit.
Russia is definitely in defensive mode with all this unrest, instigated and planned by the West, on its doorstep. Whether or not all of the following claims are true is uncertain, but if they are, Russia has a lot to worry about (h/t Fractal Parasite):
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Attack Russia via Ukraine before the US economy collapses
It looks like the propaganda is even starting to infest ZH. All part of building public consent for military intervention. Most Americans couldn't have found Syria on a map, but anyone over the ago of 30 has had "Commies = evil" drilled into their skull since birth. Next step is to have TBS play "Red Dawn" and "Rambo III" on a loop.
Putin wasn't looking to expand but would be crazy to turn down East Ukraine if things move as quickly as Crimea. He is already three moves ahead of the US, if he waffles it will give the US time to launch some black ops. He needs a buffer zone.
I don't think the US can risk overt action yet, but it can definitely bus in some of its al-Qaeda mercenaries from Syria to stir up a shitstorm.
Look at the client at south . Musical chair of turkish growth is over, Erdogan has bunch of doped Jihaddis in his motel and the lot of protestors on his back. He could easily do something to save Tatarians on Crimea. Especially if Quatar still write the checks ...
I don't think the US can risk overt action yet, but it can definitely bus in some of its al-Qaeda mercenaries from Syria to stir up a shitstorm.
Nah! They are using the far more expensive Blackwater in Ukraine. Problem is that while they are excellent killers, few speak Ukrainian or Russian, so are rather obvious on those rare occasions when they choose to speak rather than just shoot. Crank up the presses, Janet.
The problem with that is the first Blackwater fucker that ends up dead can be publicly traced back to the US. Even better that al-Qaeda would stick out like a sore thumb, the US can continue its "War on Terror" excuse to move in some drones pronto and "protect" the Ukrainian people.
I upvoted you twice.
dup
This is the result of a very clever and complex strategy, engineered by CIA and Pentagon. Yet, the weak point of this brilliant move is that noone in DC do know what it is supposed to achieve, except a great Putin PR campaign.
Goal No 1 was simply to embarass Putin and Russia during the Olympics
Goal No 2 was to vacate the Russian bases
Goal No 3 was to turn Belarus and Transcaucasia into a battlefield
Other goals are somewhat contradictory, depending on the players in the West, the EU wants a puppet state and to pressure Russia economically. There are people in Canada, Germany and the US supporting individual oligarchs with their private intentions, i.e. maintaining the status quo and throwing Right Sector and Maidanists under the bus. The people around Nuland etc. would have loved the turn Ukraine into Libya, or even better Yugoslavia redux, humanitarian catastrophe and all while blaming Russia.
Well, considering how those Western nababs were stunned at how Putin swiftly reacted, without even a bloodbath, i think whatever they were planning, it did not end up at they expected. My guess would be to create a mess between Germany and Russia, which would explain why and how quickly this great humanitarian nation that UK is asked for economic sanctions from EU against Russia. This quite did not work out.
Anyway, whatever the promises made to the Kiev clique, IMF, EU or US won't fund it. As from now on they're in charge, it is enough to make the whole Ukraine unstable and unable to find its way out for the next years coming. Second thing : noone, in Moscow, Brussels or Washington gives a damn about this third world country on the long run. Russia is satisfied as long as she runs the pro-russian part and let the western one being quickly heading to middle age war lord era.
No one talks about Ukrainians who wish to be free of both Russia and the EU/USA.
Apparently the only ones who want that are all Soros stooges.
The losers here will be the citizens of Western Ukraine.
Russia won't consider them legit, YOU don't consider them legit, energy prices have doubled, and Europe sits and watches.
+100
"My guess would be to create a mess between Germany and Russia, which would explain why and how quickly this great humanitarian nation that UK is asked for economic sanctions from EU against Russia. This quite did not work out."
Bingo! That's xactly what is happening in da mom. Degenerated american sock puppets from chistian democrats and "sister party"
from Bavaria and their incorporated presstitutes just fired shitcluster of antirussian slurs and menaces. German populace, armed forces and industry are not amused at all - but they don't count ...
The all fuckin' world lameass media sounds like briefed from AIPAC, but the quality of braindamaged propaganda made in Germany is able to induce PTSD even by the 10 years old retarded children. And no, nuthing is moving here.
Well, considering how those Western nababs were stunned at how Putin swiftly reacted, without even a bloodbath, i think whatever they were planning, it did not end up at they expected. My guess would be to create a mess between Germany and Russia, which would explain why and how quickly this great humanitarian nation that UK is asked for economic sanctions from EU against Russia. This quite did not work out.
Anyway, whatever the promises made to the Kiev clique, IMF, EU or US won't fund it. As from now on they're in charge, it is enough to make the whole Ukraine unstable and unable to find its way out for the next years coming. Second thing : noone, in Moscow, Brussels or Washington gives a damn about this third world country on the long run. Russia is satisfied as long as she runs the pro-russian part and let the western one being quickly heading to middle age war lord era.
And just what would anyone expect given the prospects of turning it into another third-world block wasteland looted courtesy of the IMF?
Sure would have been nice if the EU/NATO contingent hadn't made things worse by selecting a Neo-Nazi government for them that wasn't on the 2010 ballet to begin with???
Needless to say i'm enjoy the VOA minions in the German Press that are facing the relentless barage of resentment from the vast majority of thinking German peoples calling it for what it is. Can't speak for Poland but let's just hazard a guess that it's probably the same there as well.
This does now put Putin in an interesting postion, far more than the Crimean episode....If he does decide to intevene and ultimately annex Easterrn ukraine then the sanction comedy gets real very fast...but if he does nothing then he is at risk of actually looking weak at home, and by his neo-con Generals...
neo-con generals?
We all know who owns Reuters (hint - they have a warm spot for Luciferian sacrifice rituals), but let's take a look between the lines of the Tylers' copy.
That this is happening days after Gazprom announced it would hike Ukraine gas prices by 80%, effectively launching the nation into energetic, pardon the pun, and hyperinflationary turmoil, is hardly a coincidence:
So, is this to mean that Putin should continue to subsidize the neoNAZI, Nudelman regime in Kiev with huge discounts below Euro market prices? The same government which will probably run a "candidate" for President, a psychopath bitch, shortly who advocates the extermination of the Russian ethnic groups with nuclear weapons?
And this is how it may work in the first major city in Eastern Donetsk that appears set to shift to a Russian allegiance.
Donetsk is largely ethnic Russian and was part of Russia before Khrushchev ceded it to Ukraine in the 1950's. But under the USSR regime, it was like ceding the CT Berkshires to NY state.
While the general sentiment may be that Russia has put its territorial expansion plans vis-a-vis Ukraine on hold, if only for the time being, pro-Russian protesters in East Ukraine, whether premeditated or spontaneous, seem to have not gotten the memo.
Maybe they "haven't got the memo" because it was written by the NY Times and the Washington Post. But let's compare the Nudelman/Soros sponsored fatalities executed by their neoNAZI snipers in Kiev with the protests so far in Donetsk.
Nudelman / Soros death toll - At least 70, mixed between their own (30 Euro per day) protesters and unarmed police.
Pro-Russian fatalities occurring in Donetsk - 0
Hey Tylers, how about a little more "fair and balanced" with your copy? We can get all the horseshit we need from the MSM controlled pressitutes.
Kiev strong-arm tactics being used in Eastern Ukraine also have produced some questionable appointments, i.e., totalitarian, revengeful, self-seeking, in-your-face oligarchs.
New York Times, Ukraine Turns to Its Oligarchs for Political Help:
KIEV, Ukraine, March 2, 2014 — As tensions rose on the streets of the Russian-speaking eastern portion of Ukraine, the response of the new government in the capital on Sunday was not to send troops, but to send rich people…
The office of President Oleksandr V. Turchynov announced on Sunday the appointments of two billionaires — Sergei Taruta in Donetsk and Ihor Kolomoysky in Dnipropetrovsk — and more were reportedly under consideration for positions in the eastern regions.
The strategy, which Ukrainian news media are attributing to Yulia V. Tymoshenko, a former prime minister and party leader, is recognition that the oligarchs represent the country’s industrial and business elite, and exercise great influence over thousands of workers in the east, which is largely ethnically Russian.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/world/europe/ukraine-turns-to-its-oligarchs-for-political-help.html?_r=0
Sergey Taruta, the businessman now in power as the new governor of Donetsk Region, RT reports, “ is estimated to be worth around $2 billion, putting him among the top-10 wealthiest people in Ukraine. He heads ISD, one of the biggest mining and smelting companies in the world, and also own Donetsk-based Metallurg Football Club.
According to a March 5, 2014 report from Tablet, A New Read on Jewish Life: “’monsieur` Ihor Kolomoyskyi—either the second or third richest man in Ukraine— is not unique, but he is a figure of colossal wealth and importance in Ukraine’s industrial behemoth of Dnepropetrovsk. Along with his friend and fellow oligarch Vadim Rabinovich, Kolomoyskyi also founded the successful Jewish News One TV station. He has also helped fund and recently inaugurated the Dnepropetrovsk Jewish cultural center, the biggest in the world. In a press conference that Kolomoyskyi held four days ago upon being appointed governor, he admitted that he had been put into place as part of a campaign of “expanding government outside of the purview of traditional politicians.” He also acknowledged that part of his job as the newly appointed governor of Dnepropetrovsk was to “tamp down separatism,” and spoke out against a century of Russian-driven partition of the land. Many Ukrainians assume that he had taken up the position mostly to protect his myriad business interests from being expropriated by the new regime.”
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-oligarch-rule-governors-512/
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/165099/putin-defends-ukraines-jews-slams-ukraines-jewish-oligarchs
A REFERENDUM: are the ultimate true expression of the will of the people. That why Govts hate them.
And in other news... The Country that had 140,000 murdered by the same EU/NATO contingent is making progress pushing the "like Neo-Nazi" types out of it's territory is winning hearts and minds of those FSA members still on the fence.
Per Mike' Rivero's post SANA is having troubles getting the word out through the VOA blocks but if you're patient it should eventually load
http://sana.sy/eng/21/2014/04/06/537372.htm
"Cases of 285 gunmen who turned themselves in and handed their weapons over to authorities was settled in several areas in Homs and Hasaka, a local source said Sunday.
The source told SANA The gunmen are from Deir-Baalbeh, al-Rastan, al-Zohouriyeh, al-Jdeideh al-Sharqyieh and al-Freglos and have turned themselves in with the endeavors of National Reconciliation Committees."...
If it wasn't for Russia the U.S./Israeli Saudi Arabia crowd would have tripled the number of deaths in that Country by now!
It’s understandable that sentiments in Eastern Ukraine rest with Russia in light of the heavy-handed, crushing moves against them coming from Kiev; and this would prompt activists to create a situation to put this to Putin whether he would welcome it or not.
From RT: “One of the first laws the new government revoked was the regional status of the Russian language which sent a clear message to the people in the country’s east…pro-Russian rallies are taking place almost every weekend in major cities in the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine since the nationalist coup ousted Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovich, in late February.”
But, according to Israel Shamir, Putin is a cool cucumber who does not react rashly; nor has he displayed any intentions of expansionism.
Writes Shamir:
Nobody expected events to move on with such a breath-taking speed. The Russians took their time; they sat on the fence and watched while the Brown storm-troopers conquered Kiev, and they watched while Mrs Victoria Nuland of the State Department and her pal Yatsenyuk (“Yats”) slapped each other’s backs and congratulated themselves on their quick victory. They watched when President Yanukovych escaped to Russia to save his skin. They watched when the Brown bands moved eastwards to threaten the Russian-speaking South East. They patiently listened while Mme Timoshenko, fresh out of gaol, swore to void treaties with Russia and to expel the Russian Black Sea Fleet from its main harbour in Sevastopol. They paid no heed when the new government appointed oligarchs to rule Eastern provinces. Nor did they react when children in Ukrainian schools were ordered to sing “Hang a Russian on a thick branch” and the oligarch-governor’s deputy promised to hang dissatisfied Russians of the East as soon as Crimea is pacified…
While these fateful events unraveled, Putin kept silence…
The American neocons arranged the coup in Ukraine and sent the unhappy country crashing down, but the first tangible fruit of this break up went to Russia.
A new Jewish joke was coined at that time:
Israeli President Peres asks the Russian President:
- Vladimir, are you of Jewish ancestry?
- Putin: What makes you think so, Shimon?
- Peres: You made the US pay five billion dollars to deliver Crimea to Russia. Even for a Jew, that is audacious!
Five billion dollars is a reference to Victoria Nuland’s admission of having spent that much for democratisation (read: destabilisation) of the Ukraine. President Putin snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, and US hegemony suffered a set-back…
Regarding Novorossia, Shamir writes: “While Crimea was a walkover, the Russians are far from being home and dry. Now, the confrontation moved to the Eastern and South-Eastern provinces of mainland Ukraine -- called Novorossia (New Russia) before the Communist Revolution of 1917. Alexander Solzhenitsyn in his later years predicted that Ukraine’s undoing would come from its being overburdened by industrial provinces that never belonged to the Ukraine before Lenin, – by Russian-speaking Novorossia. This prediction is likely to be fulfilled.
Who fights whom over there? It is a great error to consider the conflict a tribal one, between Russians and Ukrainians. Good old Pat Buchanan made this error saying that “Vladimir Putin is a blood-and-soil, altar-and-throne ethno-nationalist who sees himself as Protector of Russia and looks on Russians abroad the way Israelis look upon Jews abroad, as people whose security is his legitimate concern.” Nothing could be farther away from truth: perhaps only the outlandish claim that Putin is keen on restoring the Russian Empire can compete.
Putin is not an empire-builder at all (to great regret of Russia’s communists and nationalists). Even his quick takeover of Crimea was an action forced upon him by the strong-willed people of Crimea and by the brazen aggression of the Kiev regime. I have it on a good authority that Putin hoped he would not have to make this decision. But when he decided he acted…
The majority of people of Ukraine would probably agree with Putin, irrespective of their ethnicity. Indeed, in the Crimean referendum, Ukrainians and Tatars voted en masse together with Russians. This is a positive sign: there will be no ethnic strife in the Ukraine’s East, despite US efforts to the contrary. The decision time is coming up fast: some experts presume that by end of May the Ukrainian crisis will be behind us.
http://www.for-the-fans.com/putins-triumph/#more-384
Shamir once wrote for the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz and reported from Moscow during the Syrian crisis. Israel Shamir can be reached on adam@israelshamir.net – http://www.israelshamir.net
Noon, hundreds of stories posted but nary a word on CNN's website.
Opa! Amazing poll at the Independent:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/
The Question: Who is your favourite world leader?
Everyone’s Results: David Cameron, 2%; Barack Obama, 4%; Angela Merkel, 8%; Francois Hollande,1%; Vladimir Putin, 82%; Shinzo Abe, 1%.
And the media call the US/EU/Japan leadership representative government.
As The Saker says: “And for me this poll, just as the other one I posted, shows that when we say that 'the Anglosphere' does this or that we have to stress over and over again that we are talking about the power structure, the 1% running the Empire, and not the Anglo people who both in the USA and in the UK seem to have a very different view of these matters than their rulers.”
Results are invalid, Obama should have polled behind Robert Mugabe.
As expected.
Something else that is 100% expected is the coming east/west tension in Moldova with Transnistria also deciding to join the Russian Federation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria
Then throw in Gagauzia too where people in a recent (Feb) referendum voted overwhelmingly to side with Putin's EEU rather than the EU (70% turnout, 98.4% pro Russian vote, similar numbers to Crimea): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauzia
Again, Russia doesn't actually have to do anything. Just wait it out and more former USSR regions will come begging to join Putin's EEU rather than face the economic pain that awaits on any other path.
Of course Russian people making the obvious choice will be painted by the Western media as coercion.
At this rate, Berlin will be asking to join Russia by August.
Better late than never, they've both matured over the past 70 years.
And it's not out of the realm of possibility, I think the Germans are fed up with the EU and NATO.
Putting lipstick on the "pig".
How can anybody associate with America at this point?
In addition to the rampant Israeli boycotts of goods and services taking place in Europe, the same needs to happen for the U.S., U.K. and Canada!
http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Kamikaze_Economics_and_Politics_of_Forcing_Austerity_on_the_Ukraine/34299/0/38/38/Y/M.html
'West Ukraine was annexed to Russia from Poland in 1939 by Stalin'
http://us-russia.org/1982-the-battle-for-ukraine.html
Note: East/West Ukraine *Crimea was a soveriegn-- Quote: WWII revealed large groups of the populace, such as the Ukrainians, susceptible to Western-- in this case, German-- influence. end excerpt ~ half way down http://www.presidentprofiles.com/Grant-Eisenhower/Harry-S-Truman-Foreign-policies.html
Maps (before and after) :: 1939- 40 Territory Changes -- 1938- 48 Territorial Changes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ribbentrop-Molotov.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EasternBloc_BorderChange38-48.svg
Lastly, Pepe Escobar and his 'Roving Eye', pretty much sums it up months ago-- http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Others/Escobar.html
Ps. The East and South are a given... and the Ukrainian people won't become slaves to EU or IMF/USSA! Period!!! jmo
again, as always... Thankyou Tyler