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Crimea 2.0: Donetsk Activists Declare Kiev Independence, Request "Temporary Peacekeeping" Support From Putin
Update with Ukraine's take: SEPARATIST ACTION IN EAST UKRAINE SHOWS "SECOND STAGE OF RUSSIAN SPECIAL OPERATIONS AGAINST UKRAINE" IS UNDERWAY-UKRAINIAN ACTING PRESIDENT - RTRS
Less than a month after the Crimean referendum which pulled the region away from Ukraine and ceded it to Russia, another east Ukraine regional city, Donetsk, has just declared its independence from Kiev following the previously reported mini coup yesterday in which pro-Russia activists seized the government building in the city, as well as the other two regional capitals. Specifically, as RT reports, today at 12:20 local time, a session of the people's Council of Donbass (Donetsk region) took place in the main hall of the Regional Council and without the police (whose allegiance to Kiev also appears to be non-existent) intervening, unanimously voted on a declaration to form a new independent state: the People’s Republic of Donetsk.
Sure enough, promptly thereafter the Council of the new republic issued an address to Russian President Vladimir Putin, asking for deployment of a temporary peacekeeping force to the region. Just like Crimea.
And so another city pulls away from Ukraine and gives Russia the go ahead to create a toehold in East Ukraine, just according to Putin's plan.
The Council proclaimed itself the only legitimate body in the region until the regions in southeast Ukraine conduct a general referendum, set to take place no later than May 11.
The Council in Donetsk issued an address to Russian President Vladimir Putin, asking for deployment of a temporary peacekeeping force to the region.
“Without support it will be hard for us to stand against the junta in Kiev,” said the address.
Rallies in support of the federalization of Ukraine continue in a number of cities in southeast Ukraine. Thousands of citizens have joined the protests, demanding the earliest possible federalization of the country.
Ukraine’s Ministry of Interior said that last night unknown persons stormed the Security Service of Ukraine building in the city of Lugansk and seized a weapons warehouse there. During the night’s clashes, nine people were reportedly injured.
Rallies in support of the federalization of Ukraine continue in a number of cities in southeast Ukraine. Thousands of citizens have joined the protests, demanding the earliest possible federalization of the country.
Ukraine’s Ministry of Interior said that last night unknown persons stormed the Security Service of Ukraine building in the city of Lugansk and seized a weapons warehouse there. During the night’s clashes, nine people were reportedly injured.
In the city of Kharkov protesters erected barricades around the buildings of the city and the regional administrations and the regional headquarters of Security Service of Ukraine.
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And this was recorded moments ago in the other east Ukraine city of Kharkiv which appears set to be the next major regional center to fall to pro Russian sentiment and complete the preliminary annexation of the east part of the country.
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The ruble is sliding on the news, while wire services reported that Ukraine leader Tymoshenko will fly to Donetsk. Hopefully she will be safe upon arrival.
Update: moments ago seen above Donetsk. One assumes these are Ukrainian Migs.
BREAKING #Donetsk today: fighters in the sky @skhakirov | PR News #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/Vu1TYYuoO9
— Euromaidan PR (@EuromaidanPR) April 7, 2014
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Let Freedom ring
Twenty twenty twenty four hours to go
I wanna be invaded....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQeo3OfuEDM
Yats better get evacuated by the USAF, or be clubbed to death by Polish-backed Svoboda.
Yeah, Yats the Yid is about to be clipped again....
There's a nice government building in Lemberg...
I wonder if the CIA thought $5 Billion was all they needed to spend here
Gunna need a whooooole lot more to clean up this one
BERNANKEEEEEEEEEE!!!! (helps to imagine James T. Kirk voice screaming KHAN!!!!)
5 Billion doesn't go as far as it used to.......... Fuck eh.....
I'm sure the "fiscally responsible" and "freedom loving" Tea Party will print some more devalued USD for the non-elected government of Ukraine.
*sigh* moar warfighters in the making.
Anyone else noticed that soldiers are becoming warfighters? Enemy combatants.
I guess that is what you get from a mercenary army (yup, any voluntary army is mercenary, saying we will willingly take and give blood for money, f@#$# the nonsense patriotic nonsense)...
Bought and Sold-iers...
ori
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/peace-in-pieces/
Ukraine needs nuclear weapons. It's a survival imperative.
So does Iran. So did Iraq. Nuclear weapons are weapons of peace.
Soros Chequebook is unlimited...as limited or unlimited as USgov...i would do more to supress the price of oil...the Slav of Great Rus hath no greater fear.
These idjuts opened the bottle and are now pitching a fit because the djinni refuses to slide back in, and is now persuing it's own agenda. Too bad, so sad! :>D
look, all they want to do, is to put a clown in charge, so he can authorize all the docs they need,... to let them take the peoples gold ...let them take the peoples hearts, souls and wealth (all of it)....bury them in debt...starve them...obamacare them...and set up a u.s military base to save them.....thats all they want...thats all....
'Gunna need a whooooole lot more to clean up this one'
precisely the idea
yeah this is definitely NOT Libya!
Here comes the counter revolution.
After stealing the Ukrainian gold and robbing the treasury of $70 billion, there really is no point for the Nulanders to continue supporting the Kiev Kriminals. Putin took away their biggest Prize by reuniting Crimea with Russia, so better to cut any further potential losses quickly and call it a good payday.
Note that Crimea offshore sea region is believed to have tens of BILLIONS of dollars in Natural Gas and Oil reserves, that would have made the Ukraine energy independent. Gazprom would have been cut out of the action, their contracts with europe largely replaced by US/European multinationals exporting black sea oil and gas to europe. Given how the US government routinely abuses its domestic slaves, did you really think they care about democracy in the Ukraine?
I'm quite sure that Ukraine will demand its gold back and be placed in the que right behind Germany. Figure 20 years.
Rule 1: Line up in an orderly fashion!
Rule 2: Bend over
Rule 3: shout - " thank you sir may I have another "!
Rule 3: Spread'em
AMEHb!
Trading your place from the Lion's Den into the Lion's mouth, is the NKI...well at least you'll have NG to keep warm in the winter.
Will the "Braided One" be flying Maylasia Air to Donetsk?
She better make sure her Black Box is fully charged before the flight.
EuroMaidan slut.
When is Georgia going to vote to join Russia and invite them to station Topol missiles in Atlanta ?
When asked if John Kerry would be traveling to the troubled region his representatives had no comment but released this cryptic message.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7khQNR7s1Ho
Russia's official policy on Eastern Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Where is the Trololololol man when you need him?
Right after the battle at Waterloo.
Perhaps the more relevant question is: When is Texas or the South going to vote to secede from USSA?
When will Utah or any number of Fly-Over States vote to do the same?
IOW...
When will a "homogeneous groop of people" -- representing "We The People" -- take over the Capitol and the WH via a Kiev-style coup, and re-claim them from the current regime of corrupt extremists (also a "homogeneous group" of sorts), who have taken over our Constitutional Republic via stealth, bribery, blackmail and deception?
I'm waiting for all those chest-beating, fearless, gun-toting freedom and freedumb lovers to come out and manifest their resolute fearlessness and "do the right thing". Nothing? No? Is that all there is? Is this all we have in the USSA: only amusing, sarcastic, clever or outraged keyboard and mouse clicking blogo-rebels? Still waiting for Occupy 1.0 to grow into Coup 2.0. Do I hear anything? [crickets]
"Land of the Free and home of the Brave" is as "Land of the Free and home of the Brave" DOES. All else is... "Land of the Armchair Rebels". -Kirk out.
Great idea! You get the party started and we will be right there behind you big guy.
Im with ya kirk, but when something does happen, and it will, the event will be spontaneous and will certainly not happen while the sheeple are still so comfy in their present state. Patience grasshopper!
Did Texas have a referendum in 1846 ? The British spent a long time trying to keep Texas independent.........
BTW what is the Russian version of The Monroe Doctrine ?
Texas is no longer a "homogeneous groop of people". But it will be within a few generations. They'll be brown, wearing sombreros and speaking Spanish.
A master move. High pressure towards Federal Ucrania.
Our Ultra-nationalist friends at Kiev hate this option, but right now every alternative is much worse for them.
They can't send police or army to slam that people form those local gov. buidings. ¿What police? ¿What army? ¿What would happen if they try?
And it's the same method Kiev used to take government, accepted by USA and EU. Two months ago we called that "Democracy rising" Hmmm.
Federal Ucrania is the most likely endgame.
It must be Federal Ucranium that you're thinking of; Federal Ucrania is gramatically incorrect... :)
BTW, the method might be the same one that Banderastan zionazis employed in Kiev, but motives in Donetsk, Kharkov et al. are much different: the latter is called voting with your wallet.
Ukrainskie Federatsie. Sounds better than pig-latin.
If it's just for the sound, I'd vote for "Prysnipissnipasnytarsk". ;-)
oops! It's my poor english. ("Ucrania" is "Ukraine" in spanish.)
Gretings from Spain.
in your fucking face west. we don't want nato or your fucking bankers. we got our own, and it is our own type-russian mafia-we understand them quite well... i works for us, we like our bankers, so fuck off squid and jpm...
Yeah....but we have Spiderman towels.
Howsa bout some cufflinks?
Tap tap.....is this thing on?
what is ironic is democracy is working over there. over here it is a distraction while corpration merges with the state(another corporation). seizure of assets via taxes, fees, mandated laws which are stealthy rip offs(ethanol) until the last drop of your excess labor is taken...
Nice reach back to the Spanish Bank debacle. I like your style.
I hereby declare independence so I can pay taxes to myself.
That is the logical conclusion that we must draw from these shenanigans.
Speaking of drawing: I wonder how many rounds of golf Barry will get in before starting the line drawing with his magic red crayon.
Do you think he has any other colors in his crayon box?
"Do you think he has any other colors in his crayon box?"
Yes......yellow.
@ beagle of,
How about opening up a nifty 501c 3?
And I declare myself to be "The Church of Latter Day Enterprise" and its Captain as its Prophet and Leader, and to be declared a Non-Profit Organization (NPO) for taxation purposes. The Captain speaks directly to the omnipotent God Q (from the 11-dimensional Q Continuum), and none may come to Q, save through the Captain and his divinely-ordained monopoly -- er "infallible primacy".
There are a lot of such enterprises out there that have now become "defacto NPOs", that we might as well stop pretending to have a "capitalist enterprise" and re-position our ventures as "official NPOs" - and finally realize some semblance of profitability... like the LDS crowd in Utah.
p.s. The above metaphors aside... Why do you think that the US has more churches than any place on earth, and even small towns have tons of them? What, because its members are "true believers" and live saintly lives? No, it's for lifestyle + taxation purposes of the church leaders. Why do you think so many ex-pastors are now is Sales? As one such ex-pastor recently told me: "If I can sell them religion -- and invisible and unprovable product -- I can sell them ANYTHING!" True that.
/s
Futures Bullishing
Here we go...
Wow, this is spinning out of control real fast. I'd tend to assume that there is no professional care taken of the spin this thing unfolds. And if that's case, we're in for a rough ride and a few surprises. Hold on to your massive Rhenium hats. (Or at least put on some tinfoil stat.) :-)
I spot a trend...haha fuck you bankers!
Wow, this is spinning out of control real fast.
if you like west bankers fucking everybody over-imf style, and are pro-nato...
Not if you look at it from a more professional perspective: There can be no doubt, that the west bankers, the IMF and NATO tried to spin this thing - and failed miserably. If you like them has nothing to do with it.
@ Bearwagon,
One can only wonder as to who's next in the Bankster Dead Pool Game.
soon the people's republic of brooklyn and the common wealth
of massachusetts will be requesting that ""Temporary Peacekeeping"
Support From Putin", if they ever realise what the fed has planned
for them. .....
Narodnoja Respubliki Brooklyn. Does have a nice ring to it.
Your gonna need a peacekeeping force to protect you when you vote for seccession. Obama won't hesitate to light your ass up in a Lincoln 2.0 brand of ignoring the constitution and will of the people. (What is all this fuss about free association anyway?)
It might even get his face on the blank spot on that big ass rock in South Dakota.
They must have read ZH and know what happens to countries once Goldman Sachs gets them in their tentacles.Hope they have a few bankers that they can prosecute in the liberated parts of Ukraine.
The more the secessions and rebellions for freedom take place under the guise as a revolution against bankster occupation and the NWO the more likely it will spread to the West. If I were Putin I'd prosecute some Banksters big time.
@ q99x2,
Arrest, Indict, Tri, Convict & Execute.
Wow. I had my doubts about our dear comrade Vlad but this stuff is straight from the good old Soviet playbook. They're not even trying to hide it anymore. The world is once again at the mercy of two absolutely insane blocs hellbent to vie for supremacy. Jesus fucking christ. The people on both sides are insane and there's no way to escape their influence.
Yeah - right. One "bloc" a 100 km from its border and the other on the far side of the planet. You know enough geography, DS, to figure out which one is which?
I plan on becoming the Person Republic of Seasmoke.
You need to let us know when you start issuing passports.
What's good for the goose...
you just don't do this in the 21st century.
Can you say that in Yiddish??
Kiev's junta is saying the pro-Russians have been cleared from the gov building in Kharkiv.
http://news.yahoo.com/pro-russians-cleared-govt-building-ukraines-kharki...
LOL
Que our little teleprompter in chief who will fart in their general direction and hint a red line in the sand.
It is starting to look like Ukraine is moving towards a civil war. Lets hope Obama does not get us or NATO involved in the middle of this! More about the issue of borders and the ugly spill back that can occur in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-issue-of-sovereign-borders.html
re Lets hope Obama does not get us or NATO involved in the middle of this!
NEWSFLASH! USSA/Obomba & Nato STARTED this and are in it up to their necks.
It's THEIR tripwire/pretext for THEIR WW3 - and you are on the menu
Thanks for pointing out that my comment was poorly worded. The time to edit my comment has passed so let me walk it back and add "FURTHER INVOLVED." I have no doubt as to the fact that we are messing where we have no hand and no business. The article about borders that I have linked to delves into self determination. We should all just try to get along.
nothing personal - gracias ;)
We should all just try to get along.
Fuck you. This is Fight Club.
When they start piling up old tires you know it's bad. lulz
In Kiev they used new tires.
That's what that $5 Billon was all about.
"Lookie here! Tread on me!!"
until they become neckties...
No, that would be the Kneegrows who do that.
Stocks to observe in the coming weeks:
Long on Good Year and Continental.
Short on IMF
Dumb question: if they calculated that loan based on a certain output, how will that pan out if the country keeps shrinking? Let's say this continues until there are only 10 people left with a loan of 20 billion...
Maybe Greece should start spliting until nobody has to pay anything back to the Bankstas.
And Naturally Gold and Silver firm up on this development....no
if this gets hot-everything goes down-keep your powder dry.
fear will be selling and gold which is real money goes down on margin calls of paper.
just the way it is...
Watching the video does anyone else find strange that the cameraman is amongst the crowd holding the Ukraining flag, which judging by the video seems to be a minority, and that they seem to be forming a cordon around him and keeping the cops at bay? Starting from the 2 minute mark it looks like there is a small mob protecting the cameraman.
Hang that snivelling little weasel RatsenYukSacks
Has everyone noticed how little stawk futures care about this?........BULLISH.
Moar war, moar fiat........gold should take a real bashing........ah, there we go, back under 1300 cause ther is nothing happennig.
Patience, Grasshopper???
When vlad's boys show up in the troop carriers with their cocked and locked ak's they will quickly start waving the russian flag and disappear inside the buildings post fucking haste.
Most of Ukraine was once part of the old Russian empire, so it makes sense that eastern Ukraine wants to return to the fold; especially since they've been prodded with the stick of economic death- IMF/EU austerity. Putin is all but guaranteed to obtain East Ukraine. It reminds me of Hitler reunifying Germany after it had been fragmented due to the Treaty of Versailles, the people in those contested areas wanted to rejoin Germany.
Hitler was one smart mofo, until Britain, France and Poland finally goaded him into war. Oh yes Poland was quite the belligerent state back then. You see Poland was granted some German territory, territory which was part of the old East Prussia and this split the north-east of Germany in two. This was known as the Polish Corridor. Germany lost the port city of Danzig which became semi-autonomous.
So fast-forward to Hitler's time and for several years he and his government tried in vain to seek permission from the Polish government for the construction of a major roadway connecting Germany to East Prussia, a roadway running right through the Polish Corridor.
Poland is kind of analogous to Ukraine today since both states were partitioned up. Get this the Polish government were never informed by their British and French allies about the secret Nazi/Soviet pact. The Polish government wanted to invade East Prussia and it figured it would be able to do so since it had British, French and Soviet support. That's why the Polish government always turned down the German proposal of the Polish Corridor roadway, that's why the Polish government maintained a belligerant tone to Germany until it was too late. And the rest is history.
Hitler made two big mistakes: he never conquered Britain and he never consolidated all the German territorial gains before the invasion of Russia. He never had a nuclear trump card. Putin does and that's why all the West can do is hiss and plot. I feel sorry for the West Ukrainians because with East Ukraine gone most of the manufacturing base is gone. Plus with the IMF about to impose Greek style austerity and Russia pushing up gas prices, what's left of Ukraine is going to crumble and those people are going back to the third world.
Ukraine is the prelude to WWIII as Poland was the prelude to WWII. Both countries torn in two, and both countries totally shafted by their 'allies'. But WWIII ain't going to be hot, it can't be not when both sides have the nukes. It's going to be economic: the Anglo-American fractional banking vs Russian/Chinese gold or resource backed currencies?
I hope to God that Russia and China are not just allies of convenience, but it is a real alliance because if it isn't then it will crumble and the last hope for a decent solution to Zionist/Bankster/American hubris will vanish. If Russia and China would only ditch the dollar and trade via a basket of currencies, then the rest of the BRICS would follow and Germany would follow to. With Germany joining so would the rest of the EU. It would be an economic alliance of the old world, or mostly Eurasia, and it would ensure the death of the dollar's global currency status.
The US will downsize, it will be kicked off the global stage, heck! Maybe a little lesson in humility will cause the US to actually care for its founding principles plus its constitution. Of course Israel becomes isolated. With NO allies and its financial and military backer gone, Israel will fold and several tense years later the old state of Palestine will be reformed; a country for Jews, Christians and Muslims as it was always meant to be. The Zionists will be stuffed, since they have no foothold in Russia or China.
Maybe that will sort out the Middle-East but I think this war before Sunnis and Shias will simmer on for a few hundred more years. But most of the old world would be sorted out. I would like to think that after two world wars, the (in this potential future) collapse of the US and Israel will serve as a reminder that one nation cannot globally dominate. I would like to believe that such an economic alliance would lead to deeper ties in the old world. Maybe ties strong enough that we can move on from all of this nation bullshit.
It's either that or a God damn awful mess caused by the biggest pile of bullshit and hubris mankind has ever devised. The US will fuck up, it's gone down the Japan route and we know how close Japan is to economic annihilation. It's up to Russia, China and Germany to band together and work out a new trade agreements when the dollar collapses. If the big three of the old world fail to do so then every country is going down because there is no other dominant country whose currency will be globally accepted. It will be an diabolical fight for the scraps because a disunited Europe does what it always will; war, war and more war.
But a Russian/Chinese/Germany alliance may be the difference between a painful transition versus a catastrophic transition.
Well that's my vision anyway.
plus one
the violent overthrow of the elected govt could not have been done without the tacit consent of many western Ukrainians (Svoboda/Fatherland supporters I guess we could call them). Now these same people are throwing hissy fits about the break up of their country? They fucking brought it on themselves, dont feel sorry for them! Ethnic Russians were relatively content living in the Ukrainian state so long as their language, culture & economic status was secure. These things are definetly insecure now with the Putsch regime & IMF calling the shots from Kiev.
Of course Israel becomes isolated.
END QUOTE
Israel is moving into some form or alliance / partnership with KSA. Both have concerns over Iran - Israel over the security issue and KSA over the Sunni / Shia religious issue. Both are less than happy with the USSA due to its failure to decisively intervene in Syria.
KSA is also developing a strong relationship with China due to growing energy demand and declining USSA imports. This creates potential friction with Russia as both are targeting eastern markets for energy sales. Plus there is the potential for religious conflict with Russia attempting to suppress Muslim politics in various oblasts and KSA seeking to advance muslim interests in general and Sunni interests in particular.
What is clear is that the growth sectors of the world economy lie outside the Atlantic Union (EU, UK, USSA). My bet is that corporate interests in USSA prevail and the political swagger (walk softly, talk loudly, and carry a marker for creating red lines) of the politicians will be silenced as it will interfere with corporate profits which will demand participation in EurAsian growth.
KSA power is almost spent, it cannot compete with Russia's oil and gas exports. Lest we forget this newfound cooperation between Israel and Saudi Arabia is a case of rather strange bedfellows. Zionism and Wahabbism working together? No.
On one side you have Jews who have forsaken the Torah, and on the other you have Muslims who have forsaken the Quran. They have no love for each other and they would be ripping each other to pieces if it weren't for the fact that they both need the US.
I really hope so. It would even be possible that the americans kick out the 0,01% but how it looks now it might also be a civil war.
I disagree on one minor issue: With an emerging China-Russia-Germany alliance, the dollar may be toast but that doesn't mean the country can't rebuild it's economy on a very different basis. (since we're looking into crystal balls now)
We're all playing the bankers' games which is usury, resource extraction, technological development in one (nasty) direction, and neo-feudalism.
I'm just saying it doesn't have to be, and once freed from this idea, this psychological state of fear, the USA might regain it's original composure fairly quickly.
The alternative is rather grim indeed.
@ The man with the po...,
Phenomenal brief. We can only hope for a scenario such as the one you presented to save mankind.
Israel will release the dogs of nuclear destruction before they submit to the muslim fascists.
The USA's only hope is the destruction of the communists who have usurped the freedoms of the people in the name of 'greater good' (Their greater good of course.).
Russia and China have tasted the fruits of capitalist economic success, any alliance is of economic convenience and if you get your wish of a collapse in the USA their alliance will disintegrate as they fight for scraps in an effort to stay afloat.
Everyone underestimates what the economic collapse of the USA will have on the entire world; watch what you wish for in your thirst for 'Zionist' blood.
seems blood lust is not just for yews, headhunt, yews are the most exclusionary people you can meet, excepting the chinese , sunni and shite, upper west side blue bloods and boston mayflower decendents, radical black panthers and nation of islam, but I repeat myself..now for the queen and nobility of the EU, they know how to keep the rif raf out, right Diana?
no?
The human condition is by its very nature exclusionary.
From the school yard to a countries borders, sides are picked and lines drawn.
The norms (and abnormal) of a society determine this exclusionary process no matter the twisted logic, the norm becomes normal.
A room or country full of psychopaths will produce its own 'norms'.
I can just hear Obama now: "Let me be clear, there will be serious consequences. McDonalds will with-hold all special sauce for their Big Macs."
I've posted before that this game is not over in Ukraine. It was off the news cycle for a couple of weeks allowing for regrouping and infiltration. Putin will take the eastern portion of the country and effectively cut off EU from the Black Sea.
Again, this game is not over and I hope it will not end in a global conflict... the unknown here is the reaction of Obama's handlers. Will they go full retard?
They do not expect resistance.
They will attempt to strike back, or at least strike the American populace.
(They know they will lose nuclear war with Russia...not that this fact will impress those folks, but they know their hideouts will be burned & smoked out too.)
If there is a global conflict I don't believe it will go nuclear. Contaminating land with radiation is pointless and makes it useless... no, I think they will go "economical" globally and regionally "conventional" to annex territory. It is still about territory and access to resources.
Contaminating land with radiation is pointless and makes it useless.
Huh? You every hear of Fuckyoushima? Coming to a West Coast theater near you. The rabbit hole goes deep, Grasshopper.
@ Lizard
And what precious resources have been damaged by Fuku disaster? The West coast??? Pueeeeese.....
No, my padawan, it is about resources and Ukraine has a freaking' crap load... In reality, they could have been almost self sufficient if the pricks on top would not steal...
It already is nuclear with Fukushima.
The complete absence of a "Marshall plan" to mitigate the disaster, the past 3 years reeks of intent.
Who's downwind?
We all are.
Time to call in our secret weapon. Send in Nuland and McCain to Donetsk to hand out free bread------this time without Blackwell protection. Result would be Nuland / McCain kielbasa served up on free bagels. It seems Obama foreign policy is " Hey guys do anything you want---just keep up campaign contributions. Not a good strategy for playing chess or maintaining world peace and order. Don't we have enough problems to resolve after recent ME wars costing over a $ trillion , a debt ridden economy, unemployment, income disparity , etc.? Is this change we can believe in ?
Result would be Nuland / McCain kielbasa ...
Good idea to keep the kielbasa separate. Nuland could be marketed as certified kosher. McCain as crypto-Kosher with lots of pork and GMO filler.
The War Department could send McCain, Obama and Samantha Power with suicide-bomb vests and dead-man switches to demand the Russians go home, or else.
menawhile back at the nevada ranch.... hundreds of federalistas are fighting to protect the rights of the range turtle versus a cattle rancher whose family has lived in and ranched the valley since the mid 1800's before the BLM existed. Feds have taken his cattle and now plan to use brute force to evict him... ruby ridge redux... but we sure as shit are williing to use nato to promote "freedom/serfdom" in the ukarine.... big mistake in not holding elecitons... russia is using "elections" vs troops to take ukraine back...region by region... fucking stupid kerry/obama dont see the obvious.. hey wash dc fucktards... putin sends in 100 or so elite special force to seize govt bldgs and then declare/request independence and support from russia... kind of like the bay of pigs was supposed to work out ... meanitme obama threatens western europe if they set up an autonomous communications system to circumvnet nsa spying.... this guy is believing his own press clippings....you know, nobel prize winner, messiah, uniting, great leader, genius.... fact is he isnt qualified to hand out paper towels in the mens room along the jersey turnpike.. IMPEACH before its too late.
"Environmentalists"
Green on the outside, Red on the inside.
Careful Vlad, it's hot.
Actually, no, it isn't at all this time of year over there...But seriously, what can West do? He's got Obo by the balls, Merkel by the boobs (although she wouldn't mind, words say here in Europe...), and Ukrainian leadership...yeah, what happened to them? Nah...walk in the park Gorky park
Average Ukrainean salary is $300. The average Russian is $800....with better benefits. Let's see. Join the IMF debt heroin junkees or go with energy independent Russia?
Decisions decisions.........
Gereeoen. Not Heorin. Russians cant´t pronounce the G any word begins with. Comes out like a Chhh. Cheeeroeeen , tavaritj.
Cheerio-n
For the kids.
Not exactly correct. Russian has a perfectly good hard G. It doesn't have a soft G/J sound like in German or journal. It doesn't have a soft H but does have a hard H which is written with the Cyrillic X. But you are correct that Russian, strangely, does write and pronounce "heroin" with a hard G first letter rather than a hard H "X." May be useful information for the USSA soldiers guarding the bankster/CIA poppy fields in Afghanistan.
The closest Russian gets to J is DZh
Ukraine, (whatever is left) relic of the cold war
.
Russia won bitchez!
This could be a divorce where a restraining order leads to tragic consequences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3kK2l4on9w
Can we get some of these unknown persons here in the USA to overtake our government? Seems the uhmahrikahn people are too lazy to do it.
FZRkid - Another "Americans are lazy" comment. You obviously haven't studied charts of productivity by nation. This reminds me of comments about how Americans use 25% of the worlds oil with 4% population. For decades America WAS 25% of global GDP. And we Americans are supposedly the morons?
Holding the reserve currency means policing global trade. The detriment of the peg is the ability to live beyond means and it is absolute power. As we know power corrups and absolute power corrupts competely. No worries, global leadership decided back in the 90's that China would become the new peg. And our leadership is too concerned with their own investments in multinationals focused East (helps our stock market but not the real economy). It is said a man cannot serve two masters, he will love one and despise the other.
All that said I think the true US GDP shrunk to $12 T after 2008. It is still
a massive economic base to rebuild and the funding for politicians to be bought and offer unlimited goodies will shrink, cuts are already happening and look at what is being proposed in shrinking the military. Same thing the UK did in the 1920's and early 30's as the peg went to America. If the US prints after no reserve currency hyperinflation would ensue. That would end the Federal Reserve franchise in the US. Think they want to abandon a slice of $12 T? I don't.
I don't envision guys with hunting rifles being able to take out an advanced air force, space weapons or other newer technologies. Americans are finally waking up these last five years we all were hosed - badly and the
biggest issue is actually the trade imbalance where Superpacs (multinationals) keep funding investment East. That is slowing as China begins its own depression. But there are many laws crushing the little guy for the big. With no reserve currency deficits certainly DO matter. Taxes by the little guy DO matter and at that point so will there votes.
There is a difference between laziness and withdrawing consent, no? Wait until a big portion get there tax bill with a fine (tax) from not being able to afford insurance. A big portion woke up to fascism with 60% increase in health insurance this last year and a law ordering them to buy it.
Time will tell the response, but I see it as economic action by groups not one of revolution. The Bolchevik Revolution showed such actions in a modern state as futile. The Soviets remembered those lessons and let it collapse itself. As for America we have or are close to bottoming out. I am not in agreement with many here about "collapse". It already happened, it sucks and we will see if the little guy is allowed to compete again or is further shackled.
I was sent this message, it's coming from the occupants of Donetsk. (translated)
"We are told that the special forces " Alpha " is now also flew in Lugansk to implement storm our associates, who yesterday held SBU Lugansk . Currently around the building SBU Lugansk ordinary people lined up a "human shield " consisting of about two thousand people, including the vast number of women and even grandmothers . People are trying all ways to help keep our children occupied positions provide them with water and food . We support the actions of our comrades Luhansk and are in dialogue with them . We will look very carefully at how events will develop our neighbors and inform you about what is happening . It is also expected that similar operations commandos "alpha" and intends to visit our city Donetsk. We are ready to meet these " touring " their " hospitality" and strangle them in their " arms ." Now our militias continue to hold the Donetsk SBU. Around the building there are people - ordinary citizens and our supporters . Also, people watching driveways and surrounding neighborhoods . We encourage them to continue to approach all the buildings of the Regional Council and the SBU ( Schorsa , 62), to join our common struggle."
The man in the street does not notice the devil even when the devil is holding him by the throat.—Johann von Goethe.
But this time is different.
Hungarian election results coming in today show re-election of officials distancing themselves from the European Union and strengthening ties with Russia. And this demonstrates the transformation of Russia and rejection of the old Soviet which had threatened Hungary in 1956 when the West refused to help. And now Eastern Ukrainians are looking not to a Soviet system but to a powerful new moral Russia for their salvation.
Putin's response to the Soviet Bolsheviks who gave away Crimea to Ukraine was, "May God judge them." There is a deep Christian bond among the Russian people. In their hour of need, may these freedom fighters in their "common struggle" not be deserted by the "free world" as were the Hungarians...
The last act of the October 1956 Hungarian uprising against the Soviet slave masters was a plea to other freedom-loving people around the world. A group of freedom-fighter seized control of a radio station and broadcast this desperate message to the world:
People of the world…help us!
People of Europe, whom we once defended against the attacks of the Asiatic barbarians, listen now to the alarm bells ring.
People of the civilized world, in the name of liberty and solidarity, we are asking for you to help.
The light vanishes.
The shadows grow darker hour by hour.
Listen to our cry.
God be with you and us.
The free world never came… Only the Soviets came and shut the station off the air...
Back, back to darker oblivion...
The silent scream…heard by the world and ignored…
>> The man in the street does not notice the devil even when the devil is holding him by the throat.—Johann von Goethe. <<
For the devil on my shoulder had command. -- Charlie Pride
What a brilliant strategist Vladimir Vladimirovich is! At the time Crimea seceded from Ukraine, he declared that Russia has no interest in sending troops into Ukraine except to protect the ordinary citizens if they come under attack from the government in Kiev. With regions refusing to recognise the government in Kiev, the puppet government in Kiev is completely paralysed. They cannot attempt the use of force and risk Russian intervention and they cannot pretend to be the government of Ukraine as Eastern and Southern regions simply declare themselves independent of Kiev.
Well done!
Unless the bankster/NWO strategy is to start a hot WWIII, which seems to be the case. The Banksters tell their puppets in Kiev to attack east Ukraine. Putin sends in troops to defend them from massacre. Banksters use this as an excuse to send in NATO troops to Ukraine. Voilá - instant WWIII. Obviously, NATO can't beat the Russians in their own back yard, so they would have to go nuclear. We are owned by totally insane psychopaths. We interrupt this message to return to the Katie Perry half time show. Go Lucifer!
Actually a pretty good (and old) chess strategy (Persian attacking modul): Attacking position, where you create a weakness (Crimea), and try to create another weakness on the other side of the board, which will ultimately weakens the opposition, resulting in loss of "space" and ending loss. There are boards on Chess.com if you wish to pursue chess...
Vlad should set up a Russian Foreign Legion: model it after the French Foreign Legion...fight for the Russians in Ukraine and you get a Russian passport...
Ukraine is getting ready to turn into Syria...
Tymoshenko will be lucky to escape from Donetsk just being de-braided.
There are many excellent comments and forecssts made but I suspect that there will be developments that will surprise all of us.
Elaborate..?
I suspect that either or both sides will make a mistake somewhere along the way and the current trajectory could turn nasty. Given the lackof any real statesmanship on the US side, i would not put it past them to do something stupid.
Say hello to the new banker, same as the old banker.
I'm still waiting for that Fort Sumter-vastopol moment.
we need a shit-load of jaegermeister.
Kiev about to send in the military... or the SS?
Kiev says Russia provokes trouble in eastern Ukraine, just as in Crimeathe language used by officials in Kiev was overtly threatening and seemed to be inviting, even daring a Russian response which begs the question...
did the new government receive a promise of more than just MRE's during the presidents last visit to Washington if certain circumstances were to materialize?
will Putin roll tanks over the border if Kiev brings the hammer down on Donetsk? I think it is likely he would, Moscow seems to have been preparing for war for the last few years now and with more than just the Ukraine.would a Russian military incursion into the eastern Ukraine be the "trigger event" Dempsey spoke about?
looks like we are about to find out.
Ukraine’s Ministry of Interior said that last night unknown persons stormed the Security Service of Ukraine building in the city of Lugansk and seized a weapons warehouse...
In America, the people are under surveillance, a surveillance and control by their own government. But it is not "our own" government; it is foreign to us because we have lost representative control. And its war-making power leaves us helpless to whatever it decides.
S.W. Richmond on ZH wrote four years ago: “It is time for force.
“A cartel of private bankers owns the Fed, the Media, the Treasury, the Congress, the President, and every single function of the executive branch they choose to functionalize…from managing the Dow Jones average to bombing villages…”
It’s long past time to review the advice from Patrick Henry, three months before his death in 1799 as he spoke before the Virginia House of Delegates:
"If I am asked what is to be done when a people feel themselves intolerably oppressed, my answer is ready—overturn the government," he declared, but "wait at least until some infringement is made upon your rights that cannot be otherwise be redressed." Otherwise, like failed republics of the past, "you may bid adieu forever to representative government," for "you can never exchange the present government but for a monarchy."
Obviously, the chance for redress of grievances in modern-day America is long gone, crushed by the corrupt political system, the control of the currency in non-American hands, and the thug-like Administration and Congress.
Patrick Henry today would be quick to suggest what he once remarked: “overturn the government.”
Since we all love Putin so very much,
why not make him Führer of the New World GovT?
Hey dipshit, you know where Ukraine's 42 metric tons of gold went? You think Putin has it in his basement? Maybe a boating accident?
No, Putin would never take anyone's Gold. Putin can do no wrong!
Transnistria is offering Moldova a 'civilized divorce' (Google translation)
"The Council proclaimed itself the only legitimate body in the region [...]"
Well I guess somebody learned a thing or two from the Bolsheviks.
And IMF G-20 meeting is only on Friday, this only mean a lot tension until friday. Last year, when the finance ministers of G-20 meet in Moscow even a meteorite fall in Siberia. And during the Head of states meets in St. Petersburg, Syria crisis pop up to impede any discussion about economy. So strange theses G-20 meetings.