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China Warns Obama "US Is Moving In A Direction We Don't Want To See"

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Apparently doing away with diplomatic pleasantries, the Chinese have been directly clear with Chuck Hagel as he lays the groundwork for President Obama's Asia trip later this month (scheduled to visit Japan, Malaysia, and the Philippines - all in direct territorial conflicts with China). As Reuters reports, "Obama needs to pay serious consideration to this issue when he comes to Asia... China has already put this message across during the meetings with Hagel," said Ruan Zongze, a former diplomat with the China Institute of International Studies in Beijing, a think tank linked to the Foreign Ministry. "The United States is moving in a direction we don't want to see, taking sides with Japan and the Philippines, and China is extremely unhappy about this."

 

Things did not start off well...

In one of the many frank exchanges U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel had in China this week, General Fan Changlong told him how one of his uncles died as a slave in a Japanese mine during World War Two.

 

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"The secretary made it very clear that we should be informed by history but not driven by it," a U.S. official told Reuters

But as Reuters reports, China made it very clear how it feels...

The exchange sums up the frustration in China over America's role in Asia, where in the eyes of Beijing, Washington is increasingly supporting Japan as well as other countries over territorial disputes with China. The United States has said it is not taking sides but stands ready to defend its allies.

 

China, some experts said, appeared to be getting anxious that recent tough talk from U.S. officials over the disputed East and South China Seas could be a preview of what U.S. President Barack Obama would say when he visits Asia this month.

 

Dispensing with diplomatic protocol, China has made clear this week that it does not want Obama jumping in with both feet when he travels to Japan, the Philippines and Malaysia.

 

While Beijing has territorial disputes with all three, its ties with Japan and the Philippines, both U.S. allies, are in the deep freeze. Obama will also visit South Korea, with whom Beijing is enjoying warm relations.

 

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"Obama needs to pay serious consideration to this issue when he comes to Asia...China has already put this message across during the meetings with Hagel," said Ruan Zongze, a former diplomat with the China Institute of International Studies in Beijing, a think tank linked to the Foreign Ministry.

 

"The United States is moving in a direction we don't want to see, taking sides with Japan and the Philippines, and China is extremely unhappy about this."

These comments by China are somewhat unprecedented...

On Tuesday, Chinese Defense Minister Chang Wanquan told Hagel that Washington should restrain Japan and chided the Philippines.

 

Fan told Hagel outright that the "Chinese people are dissatisfied" with U.S. support for Japan and Southeast Asia, according to a statement carried on the Chinese defense ministry's website.

 

The influential tabloid the Global Times, published by the Communist Party's official People's Daily, said in an editorial on Wednesday that such strong words "have not been seen much in the past".

And are a major potential catalyst for Chinese repurcussions...

"They hope that the Obama visit will not be used to rally other countries against China. If you listen to the harsh rhetoric of senior (U.S.) administration officials, this is a genuine concern."

 

"They (Chinese officials) are trying to figure out whether it's the lower level (U.S.) people coming out and making these comments so the boss doesn't have to, or whether it's moving to a crescendo,"

 

"I think there is a concern that this debate could be swayed substantially if Obama were to make very forthright comments on this trip and that could tip the balance internally and make it more difficult for Xi to emphasize the Sino-U.S. relationship as paramount."

We just hope China does not lay down a red-line for Obama to cross. It seems, sooner rather than later, he will have to pick sides (or unpick any side).

 

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Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:42 | 4641690 logicalman
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The Leaders of the 'Free' world are just little boys throwing stones...

Elbow

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:54 | 4641742 Dr. Engali
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I think you meant to say leaders of the "fee" world.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:59 | 4641774 FilthyHabits
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I fucking hate war.

Arm yourselves...

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:42 | 4641887 MeMadMax
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Ochooma and whomever is "advising" him to do the shit he is doing in his so called "foreign policy" must still be living in the fucking cold war era...

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:00 | 4641944 Unpopular Truth
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The chinese don't like it. Nor do we

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:56 | 4642094 old naughty
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com'on, play along a little bit, China.

The guy is weak and needs to show a bit of strength. 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:57 | 4642096 Real Estate Geek
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Christ, this seems like Cheney's fourth term.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 09:10 | 4642755 gafgroocK
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WELL I do know OBAMA IS his distant COUSIN

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:18 | 4641829 logicalman
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It's a song title, but I would agree.

America - home of the slave, land of the fee.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 04:19 | 4642339 Harrison
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{zerohedgecommenter}
This is obviously just a leadup to a false flag operation by the U.S. such as the hijacking of a Malaysian airliner to use as an attack vehicle against a CCP party congress. Expect mass carnage in Beijing any day now.
{/zerohedgecommenter}

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:43 | 4641695 Bill of Rights
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Ruby Ridge-style standoff brewing as Bundy says he is prepared to be killed 

 

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/armed-feds-prepare-showdown-nevada-cattle-rancher/#bjHRlSYZLG4lqY5x.99

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:52 | 4641737 dracos_ghost
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Absolutely fucked up story.

What's the crime here? Cows grazing on lands the guy has 150+ year old deeds and rights to. All because of a tortoise that BLM has been killing for a couple of decades.

They will kill this poor bastard and spin it as a win. And almost no one will care.

Oh I forgot, this is Amurika. LOOK A TWERKING SQUIRREL!!!

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:40 | 4642059 Brindle702
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Exactly why is this a problem now? ... after 150 years?  Do cows eat desert tortoise?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:40 | 4642062 Brindle702
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... and then to send in Federal guns to solve a cow / turtle problem!?!?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:59 | 4642102 Real Estate Geek
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It's probably about water rights.  There are lots of fountains to fill in Vegas.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:57 | 4642453 doctor10
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the prolly is that there are about 500 Federal jobs built around them tortoises-not to mention a few college grants thrown in somewhere for good measure

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:51 | 4642198 RafterManFMJ
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Simply must read this, and digest it.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2014/04/02/fbi-seizing-artifact...

Probable cause? Warrant? Naw fuck it we will just rob the old man, because reasons:

"However, the FBI was careful not to say whether they believed the man, Don Miller, had knowingly broken any laws. The FBI's aim is to catalog the artifacts and return them to their countries of origin."

Robbing the man.

"The objects were not stored to museum standards, Jones said, but it was apparent Miller had made an effort to maintain them well."

Wow.

"The aim of the FBI's efforts is to determine what each artifact is, where it came from and how Miller obtained it, Jones said, to determine whether some of the items might be illegal to possess privately."

Say 91 year old man, where did item 2387 come from? Can you document that?

""It may be 30 years — or never — before they have it all cataloged."

You own nothing. You commit 3 felonies a day. You exist at the whim of the State, Mr. Reardon...

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 08:03 | 4642548 tarsubil
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WTF?! That story is written like it is straight out of the twilight zone. Can't wait for calm dry headline on page 8, "Many families from rural town relocated to Federal rehabilitation facilities. - Authorities quick to point out that they may not necessarily have committed any crimes..."

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:58 | 4642207 El Vaquero
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Fucking "First Amendment Zones."  To anyone from the BLM reading this:  If you enforce that "First Amendment Zone" bullshit, you deserve to be taken out to an unmarked grave, forced to beg for your life, then shot in the back of the head.  After that, you should be buried where nobody will know where to find your grave to place flowers.  The First Amendment applies even when inconvenient for you, you dumb cocksuckers. 

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 07:35 | 4642492 medium giraffe
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My thoughts exactly, and I'm not even American.  How is it that the constitution is only applied when convenient?!

From an outside perspective, I think your constitution needs to be scrapped.  It's essentially a bargain made with dead men, and it's clear that it means close to zero for DC scum.  Time time build a new one, relevant to today's concerns, up to date and inclusive the modern generations.

And one more thing.  I like to bait Americans as much as the next asshole arrogant Brit, but all of the US bashing has gone a bit far even for me of late.  You are constantly told how dumb Americans are when put in front of a map of the world.  You are told that increasingly you have no say and your voices cannot be heard.  I think this is useful bullshit working to an agenda of disinformation and, more importantly, disempowerment.

The young lady burning her Obama shirt?  Think what you like, but people see that.  A lot of people.  The world hears American voices of dissent growing louder, more now than ever.  This is obvious when you look at the promotion of NSA spying stories - they want you scared to speak your piece, and back in the box.  As for dumb Americans?  Let's not forget that America still has the largest educated population in the world bar none.  There's some fucking inconvenient truths for you!

I think, away from the warmongering, the Americanism that is sold to you via wailing guitars, soaring eagles, flag waving and such statist bullshit, the American soul is very different and has been lost for a long time.  It's really a tragedy but there is still hope, the sleeping giant is not the US Government.  Slowly but inexorably this will start to become apparent.  So chin up America - it's abundantly clear to the world that they are not your politicians, this is not your America.  You think America's detractors don't see the growing divide between the population and the rogue government?  You think they don't have internet? Lol.

At least you have some semblance of a constitution, somewhere to start.  And at least you are minus one illegitimate monarch. :)

 

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 01:26 | 4642223 RafterManFMJ
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Say, about those precious tortoises...

"The Desert Tortoise Conservation Center — a 23-year-old federal refuge in Las Vegas for the threatened species — has collected only $290,000 from its primary funding source of local developer fees over the last 11 months, the AP reports. The center can’t count on the Bureau of Land Management, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service or Nevada Department of Wildlife to make up the shortfall on the center’s $1 million annual operating budget because of federal and state budget constraints.

The result? Center administrators are planning to close the 220-acre facility in 2014 and euthanize about half of the 1400 tortoises under their protection, the AP reports. No more than 100,000 of the desert tortoises are believed to exist in the wild. Most of the tortoises there are former pets returned to their habitat once the government classified the species as threatened — one step short of endangered. And most are too feeble to be returned to the wild, the AP reports."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/25/government-plans-to-euthanize-hund...

My cuntry piss on thee, sweet land o tyrrrrrany - of thee I swing...

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 09:55 | 4642873 MontgomeryScott
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Headline:

BLM Sells 29 Oil, Gas Leases In Northeastern Nevada:

http://m.shalereporter.com/industry/article_0de547ba-8ca4-11e2-ab4e-0019...

No, I didn't make this shit up.

Nothing to do with snapping turtles...

It's either water or minerals, here. The PTB really don't give a fuck about a snail, or a turtle (or a human).

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:52 | 4641740 BandGap
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I'm no fucking hero but I can see where this shit has gotten old.

I've had a good time on earth. You come in with nothing, you leave with nothing. Go out in style.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:41 | 4642065 Doubleguns
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Yep go out a man, not a sheeple.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:55 | 4642449 doctor10
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sounds like the old boy needs some reinforcements

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:44 | 4641698 Shizzmoney
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China should maybe look in the mirror before it says this shit.

Either way, both entities are entirely corrupt, inept, and near-sighted douche factories, and I highly look forward to both of their prospective lulzy demises.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:44 | 4641701 nmewn
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Its 3:00 AM...again, boi.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:02 | 4641777 Atomizer
Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:09 | 4641791 Grande Tetons
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Nice recall. 


Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:22 | 4641845 JustPrintMoreDuh
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I literally gagged ...

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 04:03 | 4642328 ebear
Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:45 | 4641705 ZippyBananaPants
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Isn't Obama playing in the Masters Tournament this weekend?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:38 | 4641764 HardlyZero
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Nope, he's a smokin' Rope-a-Dope.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:45 | 4641707 Charles Nelson ...
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Obama... What a fucking dope.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:59 | 4641770 Dr. Engali
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Rumor has it Clinton smoked him, but he didn't inhale.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:42 | 4641888 JuliaS
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I bet one week before the election there'll be calls for Obama's impeachment. I'm noticing the pattern here. Clinton, Bush, Obama. Each one is worshiped prior to the election and practically booed off the stage by the end of the last term, leaving the public eager to accept the next banker puppet.

RP was a gold candidate who like a comet comes around once a millenia. Now that he's practically retired from the political stage, there's guaranteed to be a 100 years of Obama/Bush like puppets... that is provided we last another 100 years.

I'm getting tired of this. When's this game gonna end?

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:02 | 4642110 Real Estate Geek
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Based on its recent actions, the Squid seems to think "soon."

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:19 | 4642409 negative rates
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Very soon. So soon you won't have time to prepare, or complain.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:46 | 4641712 yogibear
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Enough already, work with Russia to kill the US dollar. 

Jenet Yellen, Charles Evans and William Dudley of the Federal Reserve will help China and Russia to also kill the US dollar.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:03 | 4641950 HardAssets
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Well some say China is in on the NWO game.

But maybe they are looking for revenge after putting up with a couple centuries of AngloAmerican opium wars, gunboat diplomacy, and being totally dominated by the western gang ? 

Interesting times, indeed.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:47 | 4641722 Squid Viscous
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Malaysia was going to ask him for help in finding #370, but then realized he hasn't seen a black box in many years...

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:59 | 4641771 BandGap
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Thank you. This is easily worked in to a punch line. Thank you again.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:47 | 4641723 Stuck on Zero
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Now is a good time to bring up the subject of Tibet. </sarc>

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:11 | 4641801 disabledvet
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"one should not be driven by History indeed."

I would think both China and the USA can both agree that going all in into Vietnam is indeed risky business.

Certainly the Sec Def can report that back to the "huar ren."

Is a little odd they didn't mention Korea.
Japan and the Phillipines are preparing to attack?

They have a secret plan for enslavement of population centers?

"Very nice Ukrainian Aircraft Carrier and of course we thank you and repect you for the unprecedented tour."

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:20 | 4642410 negative rates
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Yea, they are called, fish hooks bitches.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:06 | 4641735 Dr. Engali
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With Japan being a vassal state of the U.S, and China holding 1.1 trillion dollars of U.S debt, this is a no win scenario for us. It sucks knowing that the globalists have sold our country down the river for a better bottom line.

Never send a wookie to do a bath house boy's job.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:29 | 4642169 Tulpa
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They gave us a bunch of plastic stuff of varying build quality in return for a trillion pieces of green paper that we control the value of.  How did we not win that deal?

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:02 | 4642396 jeff montanye
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when we (broadly defined) sold them thousands of tons of real gold for some of that green paper?

and followed the british empire into the khyber pass and, more recently, the valley of death in crimea?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:56 | 4641736 HardlyZero
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Ho Leee Defpends Plans....here come the Piss'n Sh*tStorm.   Michelle didn't lay it in properly.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:58 | 4641759 Emergency Ward
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Funny this happens right after Queen Michelle's visit.  She probably offended the Chinese with her tactless, condescending and boorish behavior.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:31 | 4641859 booboo
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Could have been all of the hotel drains she clogged up shaving her arms too...just sayin.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:23 | 4642413 negative rates
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2 million hairy pits can clog a lot of drains. 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:55 | 4641749 Cornholiovanderbilt
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FORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:39 | 4641881 HardlyZero
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China March exports tumble 6.6%, worse than expected  CNBC.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:55 | 4641750 Atomizer
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Obama will need to talk with the Sandi's before he can schedule a TOTUS downloaded press corpse release. 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:56 | 4641754 Duc888
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Oblabla, the House and Senate are all has been Pole Smoking morons.  Gonna be a riot when the petro-dollar is finished and these fukkerz are hanging from the lamp posts.

 

Community organizer indeed.

 

Ha.

 

Some seriuously funny times headed out way.

 

Buckle up kiddies.

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:59 | 4641772 sangell
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Maybe the Chinese should play in their rubber inflatables off Australia and pretend they are involved in the search for MH370 with their hobby shop hydrophone kit and stop telling the US what we should or should not do when we meet with our allies.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 09:52 | 4642864 fallout11
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China's military spending, while only 18% of the US's, is the second largest on Earth and outstrips Russia's by nearly 3 to 1. They're obviously building up for something.....

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:03 | 4641779 williambanzai7
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Remember to bring your Gorufu Kurabus, Putznik!  

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:05 | 4641780 BandGap
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Hahahaha Ha!

Really? This fucker has been in office for six fucking years and the Chinese Intelligence Agency  haven't figured out what it means when dipshit 1 says this or dipshit 2 says that?

How fucking stupid are we supposed to be? In the world where I fucking klive this is called posturing/setting the fucking table.  It's called human nature, and we all want what we really can't fucking have. IN A FUCKING RATIONAL WORLD people do something called "negotiate" and it might lead to something called a "compromise". In an all too fleeting world this was formoerly know as a "win-win" proposition.

Hahahahahahah Ha!

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:21 | 4641841 logicalman
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If we fight we both lose.

If we cooperate we both win.

Hmmm.......

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:19 | 4642002 CrashisOptimistic
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That's old normal.  Here is the new normal.

If you fight, you get to burn more oil for a while.

If you cooperate, you share it with someone else and get to burn less and have less for your citizens.

The old win - win stuff only worked when the pie was getting bigger.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:05 | 4641782 RacerX
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Oh goodie. Chuck Hagel. Just when you thought Kerry was bad enough.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:43 | 4641891 booboo
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Right, I mean we do have some statesman left in this country but no, we send a horse faced kept sailor in for the shock value and follow up with Chuck Hagel, a guy who's face screams "I just lost my dog" for the "kill". The Chinese have to be licking their chops for a shot  at a good dust up. The problem is that they mistake our leaders for our military and if there is one thing we are good at it is knocking shit over, cleaning up is the problem. Don't do it China, we have a history of dropping big bombs in that neighborhood. I fucking hate war and the carnage it brings so please work it out you fucking retards.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:08 | 4641789 Robot Traders Mom
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The title might as well read: 'China Warns Israel To Get Their Puppet In Line'...

www.TopTheNews.com

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:10 | 4641796 I Write Code
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Hey, this could be important.  BTW, where is China?  It's farther away than Mexico, right?  Is China on the other side of Narnia?  I think I can see Japan from my front porch.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 04:24 | 4642341 StychoKiller
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China...China...let's see...there it is, right next to Da Ukraine!

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:11 | 4641798 Tracerfan
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US has been shitting on the world for the past 20 years (after Soviet Union dissolution).  In that time, US has become bankrupt, fat and stupid.

US will soon be shit upon by growing powers, if it doesn't face up to the reality that it is a power in decline and not able to dictate to the rest of the world how things must be.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:17 | 4641819 BandGap
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While parts might be true I'm tired of hearing this shit. The US is the one country that at least has a memory of what started this mess to begin with.

Watch out what you predict/wish for, sir.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:21 | 4642011 Lin S
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Spoken like a true Waffen SS man.

"Don't question, keep quiet."

 

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:19 | 4642142 Leraconteur
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I agree, but the USA is now completely misquided, if not intentionally malevolent.

It has to stop and it will - the country and culture are broke, bankrupt, and sliding into a long term decline that has been ongoing for 15 years now.

The People of America need to get the 0.1% in line or the rest of the world will.

Remember that FSU had the worlds largest navy in November 1991 and 18 months later their navy was the size of India's, France's or the UK's.

Change can happen at a blistering pace and the USA is not exempt.

Unfortunately for me, when the USA throws its final tantrum, I will suffer the consequences via sanctions, passport restrictions, and deportations.

Get out (leave the USA) and get a second passport. Time is just about up.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:25 | 4642164 Tulpa
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As much damage as BO and his pals have done to America in general, there is absolutely no comparison to the USSR in 1991.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 02:02 | 4642259 Leraconteur
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Irrelevant - the USA could collapse at the same pace regardless.

The USA is neither special nor different and believes it is - which is why it will implode in a spectacular fashion.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 07:27 | 4642488 Uncle Remus
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Really? And the ruble has been a reserve currency how long?

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 10:07 | 4642933 TheMeatTrapper
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The American collapse will be far worse than the Soviet collapse because we have a lot farther to fall.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:14 | 4641806 ebworthen
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China says:  "You sold out your populace to us and we bought your Treasuries; payment due - Senkaku Islands and Pacific Dominance - not to mention the end of the Dollar as the World Reserve currency.  If you don't like it we will see how much Gold you have."

U.S.A. (Obama, Hagel, etc.):  Deep bow - "Yes, we are now more flexible, and will be more so when Hitlary is elected."

SOLD OUT!!!

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:25 | 4642417 negative rates
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Which was yesterday for the over 100 club.?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:15 | 4641812 Bill of Rights
Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:15 | 4641813 dizzyfingers
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Found via Drudge: "PARIS (AP) -- NATO's top military commander in Europe, drafting countermoves to the Russian military threat against Ukraine, said Wednesday they could include deployment of American troops to alliance member states in Eastern Europe now feeling at risk.U.S. Air Force Gen. Philip Breedlove told The Associated Press he wouldn't "write off involvement by any nation, to include the United States."  http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_NATO_UKRAINE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-04-09-16-37-34

Military, secret planners, TPTB wetting their pants for war.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:20 | 4641836 Wahooo
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Good find. We knew those fucks wanted war. Can't wait for America's cities and campuses to burn again. The 1% just never learn.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:51 | 4641913 HardlyZero
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Just gotta ask...is Germany all-in on this one ?   There are 20 manned bases in Germany...but what happens next Winter ?   Winter Soldier ?   It is going to get cold in Germany without Russian natgas and oil.   The Russian gas and oil is 40% of total German imports.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:45 | 4642192 Savyindallas
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Can't wait for the Hamptons to burn.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:22 | 4642153 Tulpa
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Er, the country that's provoking a war here is absolutely not the US.

I know there's a lot of sympathy here on ZH for restoring Glorious Soviet Empire under their mancrush Putin, but it ain't in the cards.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:19 | 4641832 Son of Captain Nemo
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Whether you agree or disagree with Mr. Willie's predictions the end of this year (going out) isn't going to resemble anything like it did (coming in)...

We are so helplessly fucked with the decisions that have been rendered since the TBTF bailouts and unending "real estate" acquisitions through looting in the ME and now Eastern Europe that whatever we decide either to extricate ourselves from the "shit storms" we've created or making new ones, it will be bad either way regardless of what we decide at this point.

I think it's safe to say that if the American people don't find a way to administer justice on their own, every option in the half baked minds of the chosen in Washington and Manhattan is on the table.

Just look at the chief law abider in D.C. for clues who of course has the "little guys" back!

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:21 | 4641839 AdvancingTime
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How can America and Obama not see what is happening. Back in the middle of 2012  Putin pledged to strengthen Russia’s economic and political ties with China after skipping a Group of Eight summit in the U.S. the month before.

This unholy alliance between Russia and China will create major problems for America going forward. For more about this meeting and the implications see the article below.

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2012/06/putin-strenghtens-ties-with-china...

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:36 | 4641865 Son of Captain Nemo
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And just how would anyone expect them to do otherwise given the ultimatums the "unholy alliance" has levied on them?...

If the plan was to push the Ukrainians and Russians together in solidarity along with a new economic expansion with a stable set of currencies with the Yuan and Ruble leading the way for the rest of the World's economies, then Langley and the NED/USAID/CFR trifecta deserve an award for an amazing job -if that was indeed the plan.

Let me add to that...

It's a job so well done in fact that the Anglo-American establishment will never see it's reverse... At least not in this or the next couple generations!

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:47 | 4641890 HardlyZero
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and India is placed roughly in the middle between those plans.  Triad-Axis power !   it will be BRIC or RIC.  Indian Rupee (translated Silver) may get a boost too, along with the Precious.

 

Remember...it won't be anybody's fault...it is the guilt free European Depends Plan goin' "poof". 

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:26 | 4642421 negative rates
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It's unreal aint it?

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 07:10 | 4642469 doctor10
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So its an "unholy alliance" when the rest of the world comes together to decide they've had enough of what our domestic home bred Marxists have done to the dollar?  I suspect more Americans than not have a shared sentiment here with this "unholy alliance".

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 01:07 | 4642208 RafterManFMJ
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Close enough, right?

"The Second Amendment: The people have the right to keep and bear arms in a state militia."

Let's be clear here folks - putting your kids into the public school system is child abuse and may you reap what you sow.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 03:32 | 4642312 laboratorymike
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I teach science in a public school, and "systematic child abuse" hits the nail on the head. I'm getting out of there in a month.

It's not even the teachers necessarily (some of them contribute to the debacle, though), it's the nature of the system itself. Endless random changes in policy from middle aged, middle manager women who demand all teachers conform to whatever is fashionable this year, only to have all of your work tossed out with a new fad next year. Teachers either learn to play the game and forget about the kids, or realize the system is f---ed and leave within a few years.

Don't put your kids in public school. We don't teach anything useful and you will have to deprogram them later, if it's possible. Don't bother trying to go in as a teacher and change anything, just keep your kids out, learn something real, and mentor your children and others if possible.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 09:03 | 4642733 doctor10
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looks to me like some publisher has defrauded their school district clients if this was deliberate.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:40 | 4641883 Steverino
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Nanking bitchez

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:44 | 4641892 DOGGONE
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Truth-telling awaited:

The Public Be Suckered
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:57 | 4641932 logicalman
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"US Is Moving In A Direction We Don't Want To See"

I bet a fair few Americans agree with that statement.

Even more non-Americans.

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:57 | 4641933 Ifigenia
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BEIJING, April 9 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Xi Jinping met with visiting U.S. Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel in Beijing on Wednesday, calling on the two countries to build a new model of military relationship.

 

"Military-to-military relations are an important component of China-U.S. ties and both sides should develop a new model of military relationship within the framework of building a new type of major-country relations," Xi said.

Xi recalled his Annenberg meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama last June, during which they agreed to build a new type of major-country relations based on mutual respect and win-win cooperation. The two presidents have since met twice, respectively in St. Petersburg during the G20 Summit and in The Hague during the Nuclear Security Summit.

China and the U.S. enjoy broader scope for cooperation under the current complex international landscape, Xi said.

Restating the principles of no conflict and no confrontation, mutual respect and win-win cooperation, Xi called on the two sides to promote practical cooperation in various areas, managing effectively the differences and sensitive issues so that the new type of major-country relations between China and the U.S.could move forward in the right direction.

Hagel thanked Xi for meeting with him and conveyed the greetings of President Obama."

 

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WHAT AN HUMILIATING DRESSING DOWN. Who are the culprits? Certainly, the same guys that weakened the West in relentless wars and drove the russians to chineses arms. 

 

 

 

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:10 | 4641975 TPTB_r_TBTF
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China should boycott the US.  They can start with a ban on Job Imports. 

 

"Fuck China", said the Noodle Lady.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:15 | 4641986 straightershooter
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China should observe what the US did in this kind of conflict scenario: Sanction. Not talk tough!

Yes, That's Sanction that china has not yet mastered.

See, while the US, as a whole nation, do solemnly swear that Us would observe One China policy, yet those senators/Congress turn around and pass the law selling advanced weapons to Taiwan, the other party in China's not yet finished civil war in bright daylight violation of the one china policy.

Watch Putin what did he do after US sanctions? Yes, he "sanctioned" some key person in the US from getting into Russia. China could do the same thing by blocking key senators sponsoring bills for selling weapons to Taiwan. Not only the senators, but also the assistants to the senators and also all the constituents of the state that senator represents. Wow, that would bring attention! To the voters of the state that were blockade in seeking visa to China for whatever reasons, China would offer waiver if and only if  voters denounce the senator in a written statement.

China could advance one step further by encouraging any investments in the USA skipped the states of senators that were " targeted", OH, " sanctioned"

 

See, China should learn what the US had already mastered in the art of sanctions? Using one's spear to defeat one's shield is an old art of war......Don't talk tough, just soft sanction....

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:16 | 4642135 Tulpa
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Japan and the Phillippines aren't the Ukraine, bub.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:16 | 4641989 Jack Burton
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The Washington Whore house has run off the rails. This very night Obama's fascist army is rolling it's fascist army into East Ukraine. Videos show APC coluumns and Heavy Artillery moving towards the major cities. Report of special Euro Miadan Right Sector units already in place supported by American special forces, Whoops! I meant Black Water, 100-150 of them. If this night or tomorrow night they do what they say, then the ball is back in Putin court. I guess how much blood shed plays out will determine Putin's moves.

Now Washington is planning to move on China, while moving on Russia, while moving on Iran, while moving on Syria, while moving on NK and threatening Brazil and the EU both for planning to build sperate internet systems to avoid going the NSA head quarters with all their servers. America stands at the hight of it's imperial powers, anybody besides me think this shit is all down hill form here?

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 04:32 | 4642350 StychoKiller
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The phrase "Too big for their britches," springs to mind.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:38 | 4642054 deepsouthdoug
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FU Chinese Commies.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:10 | 4642127 naughtius maximus
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"General Fan Changlong told him how one of his uncles died as a slave in a Japanese mine during World War Two"

 

If this maggot is lucky he won't have to be telling stories about WWIII

 

2 Billion people die because of a couple of god damned ROCKS IN THE OCEAN. Asshole!

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:16 | 4642137 Ifigenia
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who`s fault?

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:28 | 4642167 Aussiekiwi
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US People think this, Chinese people unhappy about that.....Christs sake, its about two governments wrestling for power, it has nothing to do with the people of China or America which generally will just believe whatever their respective government tell them to believe, I fall around laughing when I hear some pompous fool talk about the Chinese or American people being very unhappy about some situation.

 

Just leave the people out of it you megalomaniacs, You really think the Chinese people go to sleep at night worried about who owns a couple of rock out crops,tell you what pay people to have another protest and they will care for an hour or so.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:33 | 4642175 Tulpa
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I wonder if Gen. Fan has any stories of the Cultural Revolutions or Mao's planned famines that killed millions?

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:14 | 4642132 Tulpa
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Translation:  PRC wants a free hand to bully its neighbors with absurd territorial claims.

Hopefully BO will have spine for once in his life and tell them to fuck off.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:32 | 4642174 Magnum
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From just a common sense point of view I would prefer that USA remain in partnership with Japan and Philippines rather than China, if a choice must be made.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:39 | 4642186 Savyindallas
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wrong  -stay out of it. It's none of our business.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 01:52 | 4642255 Tulpa
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We depend on global trade and commerce.  An impetuous authoritarian regime attempting to dominate the Pacific Rim and Straits of Malacca is very much our business.  Until PRC demonstrates an ability to behave like an adult in international matters they can continue to sit at the kiddie table with their buddy Kim.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 02:05 | 4642260 naughtius maximus
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Answer the question mr dog food!

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 01:36 | 4642240 naughtius maximus
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Does common sense also tell you that we should be japan's back up for a nuclear conflict?

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 00:47 | 4642195 JPMorgan
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Russia + China + few others other smaller countries = problem.

Amerika will wish it had been wiser if these countries start banding together to fight off a common global bully.  

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 10:19 | 4642978 Winston of Oceania
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Don't hold your breath...

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 01:53 | 4642256 b_thunder
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Good ol' China...  came out of its shell 1st time in 700 years...  and wants to remake the world to its liking.

So what if USA arms Japan and PI and 'Nam?  What if Japs get 50 nuclear warheads - just enough to wipe out every tier-1 and tier-2 Chinese city this side of Tibet?

What's china gonna do?  Stop selling us poisonous toys and quit assembling iPads?  South Korea and Taiwan will be super-happy to fill up any gaps.

What else?  Start buying Iranian and Russia oil?  Wait, they're already buying Iranian oil!

The only thing that china can do vs USA is to hurt itself.  As in the Russia vs the West standoff the West cannot win, in the China vs. The World it's Chian that cannot win.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 04:31 | 4642349 basho
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dumb.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 04:35 | 4642352 StychoKiller
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Please feel free to donate a few FRNs when China dumps over $1Trillion in t-bills on the bond market(s), because Unka Sam ain't got the scratch!

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 02:12 | 4642261 q99x2
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Now that the banksters stole the wests money nobody has to listen what they say. China has Russia and the Globalists still have control of NATO mercenaries but not for long.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 04:30 | 4642348 basho
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just stick your idiotic head a little further in the noose. what an exceptional idiot and that goes for the entire american nation of exceptional idiots. smoke your dope, frack your water supplies, eat your big macs, kill your kids, rave on mofos.

Hey Momma, look at me
I'm on my way to the promised land
I'm on the highway to hell
(Don't stop me)
And I'm going down, all the way down
I'm on the highway to hell

ACDC

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:49 | 4642441 smacker
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Included in a meeting with Malaysian top-bods will be a big thankyou to them for supporting the confusion and cover-up of flight MH370.

Will Obama make a donation of fresh USD to Malaysia for some meaningless purpose but which is really repayment for the disappeared Boeing 777??  hhmmm.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:58 | 4642455 f16hoser
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"We haven't liked our Direction either!"

 

US Citizen

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 07:10 | 4642467 buzzsaw99
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the chinese still don't get it. nobody likes them, nobody trusts them. people do business with them because it is convenient.

Judge Smails: Your father and I prepped together, went to war together, played golf together. We built this Club, he and I! Let's face it. Some people simply do not belong...

[Ty and Judge Smails laugh]

Ty: Let's make it $40,000.

Ty: My dad... never liked you.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 07:30 | 4642491 Rising Sun
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Time to get on your knees Barry and start sucking Chinese cock.

 

You know, the way you sucked off Putin to keep the peace.

 

Good job Barry you piece of shit!!!!

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 08:24 | 4642602 d edwards
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Oh he'll just go over there grinnin' and shuckin' and jivin' an charm them. sarc

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 08:22 | 4642592 Watchingtheweasels
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"The secretary made it very clear that we should be informed by history but not driven by it..."

 

...Says the man who works for a guy who titled his book "Dreams From My Father."

 

Authoritarian progressives are like army ants. Individually they are small and stupid. Collectively they can destroy a good bit of the planet.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 08:24 | 4642593 Watchingtheweasels
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Duplicate post.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 08:30 | 4642625 john.smith
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But if we are to believe Western analysts, China is ready to jump on the wagon against Russia any minute now

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